When the Bill Comes Due

Ep 20: Lost Ones

July 19, 2021 Aaron & Tamu Season 1 Episode 20
When the Bill Comes Due
Ep 20: Lost Ones
Show Notes Transcript

The sun is shining, we are all vaxed up, and we should be roaming free and living, right? How many of us feel lost or stuck going nowhere fast?!? Come through as Tamu and Aaron look to find any damn destination but the one they are currently on, y'all! In celebration of all things Summer, they gush over their favorite 1990s summertime jams, One More Chance by Notorious B.I.G and Together Again by Janet Jackson. Come through with a cool drink, your dream board, and some watermelon! 


Tamu:  [00:00:00] Welcome to  When the Bill Comes Due, I'm Tamu.

Aaron: I'm Aaron. Hey, y'all

Tamu: we're back for another fun and exciting episode. 

Aaron: How's your July been?

Tamu: It's all good. No complaints in terms of  my work life or anything. So yay for me. 

How about you? 

Aaron: July's  been great. [00:01:00] It's been good. Actually. It's been long. It's been hot. 

Tamu: it's summer. It's supposed to be hot. 

Aaron: It's been warmer than usual. And then it was cooler than usual for 4th of July, but I'm not going to complain. It's fine. I decided to take a vacation if that tells you anything.

Tamu: I think that's nice that you're able to do that. 

Aaron: It is nice. 

Tamu: We're going to blink and it'll be over summer will be over. 

Aaron:  It still feels weird,  just to be out and be moving and doing things because  I don't know, like still in a pandemic kind of, 

Tamu: Not kind of.

Aaron: And we are, and there's a Delta variant and I think today I read that LA is, 

Tamu: going back to 

Aaron: going back to restrictions.

It's hard to unfurl yourself to some degree. Right? Cause  I've been saying  every time I watched the news, I'm just like, listen, y'all better be ready for another year. This shit, because it's happening to some degree, maybe not as large of a scale, but who knows, because we don't know how long the vaccines last and people are getting it with the vaccine.

Now we hear. [00:02:00] Live your life the summer.

Tamu: That's what I'm trying. I'm like, okay. I got til what? September probably. Right, Okay. Let me go get everything I need to get done. Taking care of, get all the doctors sorted out, get a hair, cut. Get myself together until we go down again. Cause it's going to happen. Even though every time I say that in my household, it's like, what are you talking about?

Don't stay in that. I'm like, are you reading and watching the news? Cause It's happening. 

Aaron: truth, all of them good ole Trumpers.

Tamu: Well, it's not just that. It's also people who don't believe in vaccines 

Aaron: Well, yes. Afraid of getting vaccinated. 

Yes, absolutely. 

Tamu: and my grandma who just won't 

 Aaron: no, I can't spend any more energy talking about the reasons why people should get vaccinated and. that's their own personal choice, but it's just going to be a tough time.

Tamu: it's going to be a fucked up fall in winter. Again. 

Aaron:  There's so many inconsistencies. And America's decided to go off of the honor system, for this occasion, which is [00:03:00] crazy 

Tamu: Uh, 

Aaron: because you can tell me like everywhere I go, we have passed that COVID person everywhere I go, the Delta Variant is everywhere. I had COVID in November. I don't know where I got it from. I couldn't tell you where I got it from. I blame my children, but it could have been anybody. I love you. I love you babies. I love you. 

Tamu: let's get into our topics. Great moments in white American history and. Some  really actual great moments in black American history. And we've got a great moment in Latin American history today. 

Aaron: Uh,

Tamu: All right. We've got two Karen stories. 

 One is a Victoria's secret, Karen, and one is a Walmart. Karen. Abigail is the,  lovely Karen.

I shouldn't call her Karen. That's terrible, but Yeah.

Lovely white woman who decided to lose her shit in the Victoria's secret in the mall. I don't even know what the hell happened. I think she pushed this woman and I am going to fuck up her name, [00:04:00] Ijeoma Ukenta or Ukenta, she's like, I just want to get my free panties. I just came from my free panties to spend $50 and get my free panty. And Abigail, pushed her and then proceeded to have a fucking fit in the store. Now I'm sure people have seen the video. There's  five videos and I'll just post, Ijeoma's YouTube to our show notes. It's just insane. The complete and total different levels of this lady went through in her tantrum, like trying to smack Ijeoma and then she fainted, I think. 

Aaron: Can you even call that a faint? 

That was not a thing. I know what the fuck that was it. That was not a faint.

Tamu: suddenly, she went down and then when she was on the ground, she had a shaking attack, yelling at women and all kinds of things. And then finally when security and the police came, they were like, we can't arrest her. I don't understand that. I'm fairly confident if somebody had a gun in the mall, they would arrest them and escort them out of the mall. Of course Twitter I [00:05:00] think found out that Abigail's mom was a cop. So that might be a reason why that didn't really happen, but then, the videos continue of what happened when Ijeoma went to the police station to file the complaint. And they were basically yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever, what do you want to do?

Why are you doing this kind of a thing? One of the last videos was of her explaining how she felt after the fact, once everything had settled down and her adrenaline wore off. And the fact that she's like, I'd never felt like a nigger until then. That was the first time in my life.

I've ever felt like that. It was so powerful what she said. And I was just like, I totally understand where you're coming from. you know, we don't go out here feeling black. A lot of the times, a lot of people don't have that experience. And then when you do,  it's like, God damn, what the fuck? And so she was explaining that she was like, I don't know what to do. I need to get a lawyer. I can't afford this. So she decided to set up a GoFundMe to get legal representation. and initially I think she was just requesting $20,000. as of today, it's over a hundred thousand dollars. 

Aaron: oh [00:06:00] my God. That's awesome.

Tamu:  I hope something comes of it.  Then Tik TOK decided that they were gonna pull her video because it violated some kind of stupid Tik TOK rules, but everybody else was posting her video on Tik TOK and getting the likes and probably getting followers and stuff from it as a result of her on her back, which is  ridiculous.

 I sent you a video about Tik Tok being racist and as a Tik Tok person. How do you feel about that? Now? We've just seen this woman get banned for showing the video of her being attacked by this lady, and then having other people be able to kype off of it and not her. And now you're finding out Tik Tok has racist tendencies. 

Aaron: I think there are certainly discrepancies in how they sort of screen these videos because, it happens all the time. Many people have posted videos of  Karen fights , I mean, that one wasn't even bad, really.  It was bad in the sense that she was having her moment, but  it wasn't people knocking each others blocks off or, , seeing a kid or somebody gets shot in the street.

I hear a lot of people on Tik Tok, talk about, how [00:07:00] they're affected by the algorithm or their videos. They had a million hits on a video and now they can only get like one.  I believe it happens. it's their money game to me.

 Aside from racism, they do other things too. They'll block your video.  You might have a shirt off or something suggestive, I think just people have a bad fucking day. And somebody complains and brings it to their attention quite honestly.

They do  let through a lot of vulgar things like gray sweatpants is a crazy, beautiful thing on Tik Tok. Right. But like, how is that? Not policed because some of it is outright porn. I am not complaining. I just swipe up and keep it moving. Maybe watch a couple.

Tamu: Yeah. 

Aaron: Say things like, God bless America for the freedom to wear gray, sweat pants and film it, they have some fucked up guidelines. In fact, I got, flagged, which I kind of agree with actually. There was this video of this guy in [00:08:00] New York city trains, I'm assuming, and he took a dump in a mop bucket.

  I just forwarded it and I put a little guy saying no or something. and they flagged it for community, blah, blah, blah, or something.  I was like, I guess, but I mean, I just posted from somebody else. Right. But also thinking of  the guy in the toilet, he was not right in his mind at all.

 I just deleted it because wouldn't let me post it anyway.  It just had two likes it's a tough balance because  even this Karen video, 

 Granted,  I certainly don't want to defend this woman at all, but her I'll say  in air quotes, mental breakdown was filmed or whatever that was. Right. And so to some degree, to some level, you have to wonder how far do we go or whatever, who are you protecting?

 It's hard, you know what I'm saying? love the power of the internet and frankly, everybody with the cameras. So we ain't missing shit. But sometimes you're just wondering  at what point should we stop, watching this.  I've seen it once.

I've seen [00:09:00] parts one, two, and three I'm just kind of like, yep, I'm good. I completely understand the exposure for her. Right. And her getting the help that she needs.

 Cause really  no one did anything around there in that store. Like no one did anything to help her.

Tamu: no one did anything to help her. No, no one did anything to help her. At least the store manager was able to corroborate what happened to her, to the police. She said, nobody asked her if she was okay. And I think maybe the mall security guy might've said, are you okay? Or something like that, but the cops didn't and she made a good point.

She was like, nobody has asked me if I'm okay, what if I have anxiety? What if I am going through something? What, if I'm afraid to go to my car or whatever, I'm concerned and for them to be so cavalier about it just seems, not surprising quite frankly. And the funny part about it was watching everybody just continue on about their merry way shopping in the shopping in that store. 

Aaron: Oh, that one woman. That's [00:10:00] what I was like, you should stop filming her or something. I was like, shut up.

Tamu: Yeah. 

Aaron: Just shut 

Tamu: go to hell too. She can go right to hell. 

Aaron: Their feelings are disregarded  in many situations, I'm sure many people, black people, specifically people of color have been in, , no one ever asks if you're okay. We're just told to get over it and move on.

No one ever checks to see if you're okay, because you're supposed to be fine. And that just trickles down to things we've talked about in the past, how we raise our children you're okay. Get on up, move on. Right?  It's all this inherent shit that's been passed down from slavery period.

Tamu: we wish Ijeoma the best. I hope that gets

Whatever she needs to get out of it. I know that she had mentioned that she hadn't been sleeping and has had some issues as a result of this experience. And I hope that she can find a way to get some healing and care for herself through this. And I'm sure she now knows she has a huge support within the community.

Our next fun and exciting person is,  I'm going to call her [00:11:00] Miya Ponsetto 2.0, so that's the chick who accused that young man of stealing her cell phone in New York last winter. So this woman in California at Walmart, accused this man of stealing her son's phone.

This dude literally was walking. Into the store. So he has no idea what she's talking about. And she's like, , give me my son's fucking phone back and being an asshole I'm blaming him for stealing the phone. She's like,  it was here and now it's not here. And he's like, I literally showed her, I have my phone in my hand, I'm recording with it.

I don't have anything else. I've showed her my phone and my wallet. That's all I've got. so finally he walks into the Walmart and he's talking to I'm assuming it's probably the greeter that's there. And telling them what's happening and saying that he, is being followed by this woman.

And she's still followed him like to this, into the place and was standing there. Finally her son comes in and he's like, I found the phone in my car. And he's like, what's your name? I'm going to file a complaint against you.

What's your [00:12:00] name? And she's like, no, go fuck yourself. Not even, I'm so sorry. I feel terrible about this. Nothing. Just go fuck yourself. She should go fuck herself. She fucked up  

Aaron: I remember seeing this video and he was so calm. He really was so calm and really respectful quite honestly until maybe the end, which you know, I'm not trying to defend it at all. Like he should have raised up on this bitch a long time ago because she deserved it.

Tamu: I'm just going to say that these people are very lucky that they're stepping into specific individuals. and I think that maybe, I don't know if  we, as black people are trying to stay even right now because you just don't know. It's so very uncertain and tenuous. I'm not sure, but these people keep fucking around.

They're going to mess with the wrong one 

Aaron: and catch, the right one, right 

Tamu: Somebody's hands. 

Aaron: Catch the right one is what I'm saying.   Just watching a video on that guy and I felt so bad for him because that happens [00:13:00] all the time.

Tamu: When I was reading an article about it, they said that she was wearing a Kaiser Permanente shirt. 

Aaron: She's a nurse.

She's the nurse it's over for her.

Tamu: there You go. Okay. Miya Ponsetto 2.0, adios.

Aaron: Like everybody else, we're going through these DEI things and  we,  at one point had a consultant and  the facilitator one of his first statements to this group was, I don't believe in cancel culture and I was sitting there and I was like, you know what? I fucking disagree. If you out there in these streets acting stupid, I don't want to give you my money. You know? if Kaiser Permanente isn't reacting to this woman who thinks that she has the privilege to do what she does on camera or not, but now she's been caught and they do nothing.

Problematic. I fully believe in that. And like I say that for myself,  I say that for anyone, no one is above behaving themselves. Right. And being human, we all fuck up. Absolutely.

Tamu: All she had to do was say, oh my God, I can't, I'm [00:14:00] so sorry for this. 

Aaron: But she said, go fuck yourself.

Tamu: Insteadshe said, go fuck yourself so she can get fucked. 

Aaron: I agree. The karma. 

Tamu: did that in front of her kid. What are you teaching him? Not cool. Jan, not cool. All Right.

So As we continue on  our president Joe Biden gave this stupid speech about voting rights and how This shouldn't be happening and proceeded to provide no action plan in relation to you. His speech just gave a speech. That's it? Texas Democrats left the state and came to DC because they are trying to use everything that they can to stop the Texas government from passing these voting registration bills that will stop.

People's voting rights from happening.

What in the hell is going on with this country? We've voted these people in, we fought through the pandemic and did all of these things. They said they were going to get this shit [00:15:00] done and they refuse to do it because they still are living in the past. What is it going to take for them to wake the fuck up?

You just had 8 million crazy white people. Try to trample you down and kill you in fucking January. What else do you need? 

Aaron:  A lot of this is it's hard to hear, Texas, this whole bill thing, it was just a depressing thing to watch.

 All of these states, all around the country. To see it on the news. What does this teach our children about this world, but it's also really not a lesson for our children. Right. It's disgusting that in order to win a race, we have to do this These are rolling back decades of changes decades. what is the point? I mean, we know what the point is, but  it is unbelievable to just sit and watch this. I'll be very honest, I'm numb to it, you know, like I see it happening and I'm just like, fuck,  I almost feel powerless or helpless, in these situations.

Tamu: Yeah. And it's also [00:16:00] infuriating because basically it's like, okay, well this is happening. So everybody get out there and continue to fight for whatever. We've done that.  It's now your turn to do what you need to do and step up. And these people need to just say, fuck everybody, I'm going to blow this shit up 

just do what you need to do. Get rid of the fucking filibuster. I don't give a shit about anybody else. I don't care about Joe Manchin. I don't care about Kristen Sinema. I don't care about trying to be a bipartisan. It's not happening. They keep telling you I'm not going to give you any Supreme court justices. Guess what? I'm going to do. Everything I can do for you not to put a voting rights bill on the table or the justice and policing act or any other fucking thing you want to do. Fuck you, Joe Biden. You're going to be a one-term president. What do you think you can talk to this? You can't talk to it. These people have denied that Joe Biden is president. What are you doing?   I watch a lot of World War Two documentaries. I know I say this all the time. I now understand, because I was always wondering how [00:17:00] Germans could let this happen. And I see now how I see it happening here.

it's scary as fuck because like you, they feel powerless to do anything. They think somebody else is going to do something. They trust that systems will work. That's not how it's happening. I just saw that Texas is trying to pass a bill to ban the teaching of civil rights movement in schools.

Aaron: Crazy. Right? Like you hear this and you're like, I'm sorry, is this 2021? Or like what's happening?

Tamu: exactly, democratic leadership needs to get their head out of their ass and fucking do something before it's too late.

The clock is ticking. We're going to get into midterm elections and they're going to lose, and then we're going to be really fucked.

Aaron: Yup.  Everybody's trying to go for kumbaya and bipartisanship it's not gonna happen. Right. But there's work to be done. People voted you in office for a reason, get the shit done. Like, that's it, period. We're done with this dance. We've been doing it since Obama quite [00:18:00] honestly before Obama, but 

it just gets worse and worse and worse. 

Tamu: they're not going to, be able to  get people to vote because they won't be able to, if they keep this bullshit up. the Supreme court voted down another voting restrictions, 

Aaron: which basically gutted the voting rights.

Tamu:  Shake it up, get it together. It's not going to work. These people are not your friends. 

Aaron:  Democrats would just do their job, . Let's just do what needs to be done, pass infrastructure or whatever bills that need to be passed. What kills me the most. And I probably said this a million times and it frustrates me the most is that these guys in Washington, they're playing with our fucking minds all last year. They played with our fucking lives. People are not eating here. People are homeless, losing their houses, and they're sitting around fighting about how much money these people get when they're still getting their paycheck.

When they're still getting paid by us, it's, insanity that's the thing that frustrates me the most is like the time [00:19:00] that we need our government, our leaders to step up and lead.  I extend that beyond just the government, right? The time we need our leaders to step up and lead, 

they are not on many levels right.

it's just so frustrating.  You're now seeing that there isn't leadership there isn't a way forward there isn't leadership everywhere.

Tamu: the door is closing very quickly. We are running out of time and it's quite scary because, there's no place for us to go. Where are we going to run to? 

Aaron:  I've been thinking about that too. I was talking to another friend of mine.  I was just like,  do you guys ever think about that? Like, where would you go? She's white. And like Canada, of course, and Rich and I have talked about that. Like where could we go? I personally feel like if I had to go somewhere,  even against all better, whatever I would go to UK or somewhere in Europe. actually my big thing now is Sweden. I want to live in Sweden. 

Tamu: Do some research. 

Aaron: Have you seen the pop,  show on Netflix? Of course. [00:20:00] Yes, I will absolutely do research cause you know, a bitch ain't gonna roll up up nowhere and not know that bitch has been lynched or whatever, 

Tamu: They're very racist. 

Aaron: or they really I guess I think I need to start looking at islands I guess.

Tamu: Every place is racist. I thought I would have run to my ancestral lands of Barbados. 

I mean, who knows, 

Aaron:  So in America, right? I think our story is disgusting and ugly. Like it is the most disgusting and ugliest story I've ever heard. Right. But it's probably my history, right? Slavery, all of that, all of the untold stories.

It's horrible. It's horrible. The way this country has treated black people, I will be very honest and tell you, I don't know how other countries treated black people, but there seem to have been, how do I say this without trying to defend them? There, there seemed to have been a different reckoning of the truth.

meaning here, we just omit it out of history. I'm sure they do there as well, but it seems their government there. Their people at least today anyway, seem to be more open to. Speaking out against racism [00:21:00] case in point the soccer boys, the thing just happened. So I think about those things and living in a society that reacts to what we expect them react to.

Right? our country, our leaders in government don't exactly, always respond or step up to be leaders In this way. Right. that was a very complex way to say that I feel like they handle addressing racism differently. Not that they do it better, they just handle it differently 

Tamu: I'm just going to say Meghan Markle and you can take it from there. 

Aaron: well, absolutely.

again, challenges, definitely challenges. However, what's at the forefront in the UK now. Right. 

Tamu: I don't know what you're talking about. 

Aaron: like racism? Systemic racism. All of these things are being brought to the table. I will say this though, about the whole, Royal family,  I do notice how they're pushing,  Kate and William out there and like pictures of, the kids and videos and shit like almost whitewashing, what has happened to some degree 

Tamu: Almost? You giving them a [00:22:00] pass because you want to go there 

Aaron: I won't go there is that 

Tamu: you want to go there. 

Aaron: I can still live there. Listen, let's be very honest, wherever we go, there 

will be racism. 

Tamu: I understand what you're saying, but the way that you've expressed it is that it's better racism.

Aaron: That is not what I said. I didn't say it's a better racism. What I'm saying is that they seem to address it differently.

Tamu: or the same, just in a different fucking language. Look at Canada. Look at what has happened in Canada where they're finding all of these young Indian bodies. 

Aaron: Yeah, that's true.

Tamu: We all thought that Canada wasn't racist. Well 

Aaron: Hawaii. You can't even go. I was like, well, shit, maybe I'll pick up my shit and go to Hawaii the guy that got killed, that mistake the place for a mosque. And they shot him. No matter where you think you could possibly go, as a black person, you will always fear.

What, if, no matter what that's fucked up.

Tamu: gonna always be on the run 

Aaron: That's true. Yes. That's really what it feels like.

Tamu: unless you buy your own island and call it good. Black Topia. 

[00:23:00] Aaron: Right. What I call my own island. I don't know. I'm too tired to think about that. Fabulous. That would be my island.

Tamu: there you go. Let's move on to some fun, good news and great moments in black and Latino American history. Zalia Avante-garde she won the Scripps national spelling bee. She's the first black person to do so

Aaron: Do it Sis! Do it, Sis! ABC. 

Tamu: from Louisiana. And our girl also has three Guinness world records for dribbling and she plans to go to Harvard and be in WNBA she's fantastic. She is a very 

Aaron: this about her. 

Tamu: and I believe she's already been given like a full scholarship to one of the local schools in Louisiana colleges. She's very smart.

And the best part about it was when she found out she won. When she did that little happy twirl, uh, just broke my heart. 

Aaron: I know, right. Some joy. Maybe I have mentioned on this show. I got a new job, towards the end of 2020. We were in a tough year, but the one [00:24:00] thing that I found was  this group of black people at this job I work at.

And it's just been such a wonderful experience to Have this community. And so when this happened, I was posting, pictures and funny comments about  I was like, got some good news, even though it was a spelling bee, it was very important.

 Is she the first ever she's the first black girl ever, right.

Tamu: First black person, there was a Jamaican girl who won previous. 

So they were saying the first black American 

Aaron: Oh, got it. 

Tamu: And then I saw today that  her town or her neighborhood, they gave her a parade. It was so cute. That's so sweet.

Aaron: I love that. I love that when I, she just, and you're absolutely right. When you looked at her, like you just saw her joy, and everybody was just like, yes, 

Tamu: was just like, wow. She's so happy. I haven't remember ever being that happy. You know How freeing that was from three. She was expressed that it's just so sweet 

Aaron: Does that feel? Right. It's true. 

Tamu: Yep. 

The last thing I have [00:25:00] is John Leguizamo. You know who that is, actor comedian. He is working to get Latino American Smithsonian museum.  It would be called the National Museum of the American Latino, and they are in the process of getting land on the mall in DC to build the museum and then try to raise $400 million to have this museum 

 Aaron: Do they know, are they gonna put it next to  the African-American one?

Tamu: I don't know where the land is, but it's on that mall. So I don't know where on the mall, but he said, they're in the process of securing the land for it. And now they just need to start to raise the funds to build it. And I think that they should be, I think we should have a museum for Latin American history. 

Aaron: 100%,

Tamu: Their history is our, I shouldn't say theirs. Our history is also very important and I think it would be great for people like me who don't know much about the full Latin American culture to learn about it. And I, think everybody needs to learn about what contributions Latin Americans have made to this [00:26:00] country because they been significant.

Aaron: I, 100% agree. And while I'm probably, you know, a fine connoisseur in all things Latin, you know,

I probably need to learn the other things too, not just the food, not just the food and the romance, 

the other stuff. 

Tamu: Life and death and hard times. 

Aaron: right, I think it's really great. When I was younger and in college, I was really passionate about Latin culture, Spanish, specifically Mexican Cuban culture.

I lived in Miami for a couple of years, which I've said many times, and I was just immersed in Cuba and my personal opinion there's such a great passion about Latin American culture too. They've definitely had hard times as well. Right. And certainly they've had struggles.

 It's also so lovely to see, like these groups, these cultures, these people, there's always a thread of happiness, there's this thread of culture that everybody gets behind regardless. It's so wonderful.  I just loved living in Miami at [00:27:00] that time because you have the Cuban neighborhood and the Hondurans and, the, Colombians and the Haitians, you know?

It was just like such a melting pot of just beautiful cultures everywhere. I loved it.

Tamu:  If I can find a link to how you can donate, I'll put that in our show notes as well. But definitely,  let's hope we can get a Latin-American museum on the ground, need it more history needs to happen for that. And I feel like we need a Native American history museum.

They need their own space. 

Aaron: We all have a story to tell a real story.

Tamu: They're the first people of this country and they deserve to have their own. 

Aaron: I agree.

Tamu: that wraps up that segment 

Aaron: oh my God. You know what? We did not mention anything about our 20th episode.

It's our 20th episode.

Tamu: Hooray. 

Aaron: Fuck it.

 Tamu:  Yes. For you. This is a big deal. Congratulations. 

Aaron: successful. We've had a really good podcast this year. We never thought we were going to get a thousand. Now we're almost a 1500. 

No, it's way lower than that as well. [00:28:00] Think 1100,

Tamu: We're going to plug along and get there. 

Aaron: whatever.

Tamu: before we go into our, When the Bill ComesDue moment, let's just give a sec to give it up to Biz Markie, 

Aaron: RIP,  bro.

Tamu: 57. Crazy. 

Aaron: I didn't even know he was sick.

Tamu: from the article I read it said that he's been sick for a while, but they haven't disclosed the cause of death yet. He was for me,  I think one of the first comedic rappers,  with Pickin' Boogers and The Vapors and, Just A Friend, 

Aaron: I only knew just a friend. When you pick songs or when we picked songs,  a lot of yours are obviously New York influence with the exception of Prince, obviously, but Biz Markie,  we knew Just A Friend,  in Texas.

 But that's all I knew. And then, fast forward, 2006, I had babies and Biz Markie was on, 

Yo Gabba, Gabba. And I was like, oh my God, Biz Markie. It was just a totally different perspective of Biz Markie for me.  I remember Just A Friend,  but now he's on Yo Gabba Gabba.

Tamu:  It feels like all these legends are going very young. 

Aaron:  Thank you for your gift and your joy.

[00:29:00] Tamu: It's now our, When the Bill Comes Due time,  it's been a year since you and I started our support group, which I guess is not really a group, but our support calls to talk about what's been happening in our lives as a result of, what happened last May. And then  this podcast came out of those conversations, but it's been a year for that.

So happy anniversary. 

Aaron: happy anniversary. I know, right.

Tamu: We have had discussions recently about the fact that we feel like we're still in that same place. So our bill has come due in a year. And I don't know if it's just a mid-life melancholy or if it's post, I don't want to say traumatic stress or just a real fundamental shift in.

Our thinking and the way that we want to approach our lives going forward, but there is a [00:30:00] real change, but it's causing a malaise like it's causing this feeling of depression or sadness or feeling like you're stuck. Am I wrong? 

Aaron: Absolutely. I'm trying to think back to this year, May 25th came I shouldn't even say May 25th, but  it was just May and for me, I don't know for whatever reason I was just in tune with myself or I could just feel certain things happening or whatever.

I just felt,  I don't want to say dark, but I think overwhelmed is probably the bigger case, you know? And then we have the conviction . We had all these things happen. Which were, I'll say positives, but anyway, there's been this thread of   I don't know what I'm going to do when I grow up and I definitely don't want to do this.

 I am In my home a lot with my children who still don't have a regular schedule with a husband who is, trying to run an organization and is crazy too, and trying to help. Right. I would say last year, I certainly did my very best to keep us together, keep us active and organized.

And this [00:31:00] year it is the struggle bus to  just function. I was going to, do something with my kids tomorrow. And I  said you're going to do this one thing tomorrow. Then you can just do nothing or whatever, but, I feel lost, honestly, I feel lost and,  a little overwhelmed, , just thinking about what is my next step?

do I have to make the next step? I think all of this has really kicked up,  emotions of things and traumas we haven't discussed, we haven't addressed in the past, you know? And  now we're seeing that kick up. Michelle Obama coined it very well to say that she was having a mild depression last year.

Right. And I definitely feel like that's what last year was. And honestly this year too, a little bit, I'm just keeping the lights on,  I share this because I really feel like you and I are not the only people that are going through this.

You can watch the news to know that people are saying this job. I don't want to fucking do this anymore. You know, this life that I'm living, I don't want to fucking [00:32:00] do this anymore. And I think to some degree, for myself personally, in some ways I'm letting myself let go.

For many reasons throughout my life. I have struggles with control, right.  A kid not being able to control their life. My mom died when I was 13 and many other things happened as a teenager. So  control is a struggle. Right. And so I have let go.

 This year, especially  I just can't do it because, it's almost a full-time job to keep myself together, you know? And then  the other, whatever percent I have left is thrown into my kids, and my family and blah, blah, blah.

 I don't like the feeling because I'm not that way. And I've never been that way. It's catching me by surprise a little bit. And it's sort of like, what is wrong with you?  You don't feel right. But I think it's just a product of what we're in right now.

What about you? Does that all resonate?

Tamu: it does. look, we all know that I've had lots of hard times this year.  With my work [00:33:00] situation and how that's impacted me in my personal life and has caused great, consternation and feelings of self-loathing and no self worth, et cetera, et cetera.  I'm still dealing with those things.

In addition to now having a new job where I have to try to drop all the baggage and shed everything that I experienced and try to move on to something a little bit more positive, I'm trying to do that, but I'm tired and I really don't want to do anything. Yes, I left the job that was bad and got into a decent job.

However, I. Am different. And I don't want to do this anymore. I need something different. it's still hard to focus and, , find energy to do a lot of the things that I need to do for work. It's hard enough to get up in the morning to sit here. I literally, feel like I don't have space.

 I still feel like I'm being confined into this box of a space. I'm not content in this life anymore. And  when I say [00:34:00] in this life, I mean, in my current life situation all around, I really need a change. I don't know how to do that because I just can't drop everything and go figure it out.

So it's kind of like, you're stuck, still doing the same thing, And we talked about it the other day. How the fuck did our parents and grandparents and everybody else, like we just get sucked into this hamster wheel of things like work, work, work, work, work, work, work until you basically drop dead.

There's no time to enjoy your life. No time to know who you are. No time, really, for anything other than go to work, come home, take care of your kids and family and go to sleep, go to work, take care of your kids and family, go to sleep, go to work. It's just the same thing every day. And I think that now after what we've experienced, especially with the uprisings, with coronavirus, with whatever our work and home life situations have been.

I [00:35:00] think we're just coming to the point of realizing that all of that is bullshit. And we just need to like to use game of Thrones phrases, break the wheel and do something different. But we technically can't because we have these responsibilities that we're tied to, 

Aaron: Mm.

Tamu: or that we're financially, incapable of doing those things as well.

And neither one of us has the time and energy for the side hustles. We're not young people. And I know that people, our age do it and they have the energy to do that. But I think in the current state that we're in, we don't have that capacity fully .  And I know that we both want to, if I'm not speaking for you, you can tell me, 

Aaron: No, you're accurate, accurate.

Tamu: And it's trying to figure out how do we get that energy to do these things? how can we come out of this? Or how do we break through so that we can say, okay, this is just this thing. We shut it off at this time. And then we're going to just say F it and do the things that we want to do and try to push those things forward.

[00:36:00] It's hard to do again, you have family responsibilities. I have responsibilities here 

it's difficult to find that time to say, okay, compartmentalize. And then by the time that happens, it's like, what, 10, 11 o'clock at night? Who the fuck. has time. Then it's  like gotta go to bed. Cause you got to get up because you have an eight o'clock in the morning meeting or something crazy. 

Aaron:  All of my energy is spent  working quite frankly. I work from home anyway, but I'm literally sitting at my desk like six hours. Maybe I'll get up and go get some, but I'm literally sitting here for most of the day.

And then when I come downstairs, the last thing I want to do is talk on the phone,  or do anything.  You're just so spent. We work on projects, so  it's  always crazy. There's always something going on. And it's also new to me.

, and it's exactly what you say. I don't regret leaving my last position because I think I needed to do that. I needed to leave. I needed to make a change. I do not. However, recommend that you change a job in  in the throws of the fucking pandemic.

My last week at my previous [00:37:00] employer, I got COVID then two weeks later I started with this company, all virtual, just crazy anyway. But, I think I'm recognizing, I just can't, 

it is a struggle, , to move past that motivates you.

And I used to be able to do that. I'm saying like a year ago, I used to be able to do that. I used to be able to say, all right, I'm going to do this. And then I'm going to project manage my house, basically. And I'm going to go to target. I'm going to do this and blah, blah, blah.

 I have no energy to do it. Aside from energy, it's almost like I have no will to do it or want to do it. I'm okay at my home.  This is a great example. I took my twins, to the mall.

I dropped them off at the mall and I was going home. And then I called my husband and I just said, Hey, can you go pick up the twins? I wanted to go home. I wanted to stay at home and just be at home and no one was there.  I'm just a home person now, which is great, but I don't know.

 I've talked to my therapist about this [00:38:00] and I say it often, I would say, something's not right. I don't feel right. I feel it. I say things like, I feel guilty that, my husband is doing all this stuff and like I'm literally working and just a vegetable any other time.  And it's hard to know too, the fact that I know you have not had COVID.

But I have, and, I thought that some of this was like a COVID thing, but I was talking to another friend of mine who says the same thing. Like, you know what, I just, go to work and that's about it, I can't move past anything else. And,  I want to , I have all these projects, that I've talked about, working on my music more, I have been writing.

But everything about it is like forcing it. I look at my  piano every single day. And say, you need to play this. Just once just play the song,  just write a little bit. And I  can't. I'll be like, you need to read this book.  Read a little bit of this book.

That's a whole other Oprah show. Don't say anything. Cause I hear millions of people around the world [00:39:00] just like  whatever, read my ass. But it feels like one of those moments,  I can only use this visual, you are in the heat of a moment with someone and you're telling yourself not to say it, but you say it anyway.

 It feels that way, you know?

There are nights. I'm just like, Hey, Rich, I just cannot cook dinner.  I have dropped the ball and I've never dropped the ball. And I think that's, what's bothering me is that  I have never dropped the ball, but there's a part of me that same, a bit just dropped the ball, you know?

Tamu: you have someone there who will pick it up? 

Aaron: Right. But I don't like that, you know?

Tamu: But you have been asking for this for a long time? 

Aaron: Yeah. . It is true. It's true. But I think it's wrapped up  honestly, in mental health. It's wrapped up in what we have experienced over this past year and my unconscious let go. And it's not just like, let go of being the project manager, it's also letting go of not giving a fuck either .

There are some good things about this, right?  There's a level of [00:40:00] confidence and pride that I haven't being a black man.  I've never felt in all of my life.  But I feel it. And I, know that my children feel it it's not something that was, code switched.

 Aaron is Aaron, and Aaron is mostly Aaron when he goes out, you know? those are the good things that have come out of this,  the other things are the realization that, bitch, you can't do it all. And then you let go and,  it's a horrible feeling,  you know,

 Have you made any steps forward will you been going out to dinner and pushing yourself to hang out with people? So I'm sure that's a great step forward,

Tamu: But there are some things that I have to be cautious about because 

Aaron: uh,

Tamu:  Who I live with and how, we go about life here. I can't just run around and be in a big group of people all the time, because I can't bring anything back.

I would be devastated if I did. I think if I lived by myself. It would be different. I can take a little bit more of a chance and, go out a little bit more often. Part of me doesn't also always want to [00:41:00] either, I'm so tired most of the time I'd rather just sleep and I'm really happy when people cancel, because 

then I don't have to get up. But, a part of me gets a little irritated by the fact that I have to be so restrictive in the way that my movements are, or I don't want to have to disclose that I'm going to a place that might have a bunch of people, 

Aaron: You ain't free.

Tamu: I'm not really free.

No. And it's starting to bother me. 

Aaron: Hmm.

Tamu: I'm at the point of, I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to be in this tiny fucking room overcrowded with my shit, because I don't have any place to put it.

I'm really getting frustrated living in this small space, sleeping in this  small space, working in this small space and having no space to go to because I can't exactly go to the coffee shop Right.

now either. I'm feeling very restricted

and, I'm just starting to feel angry. About it? 

Aaron: Probably a lot of resentment.

Tamu: It's not resentment. I just feel angry probably more so at me because this is my [00:42:00] fault. I'm stuck in this space. I don't have any money. I can't afford to rent anything.  I just saw on the news that said  minimum wage workers can't afford a two bedroom apartment anywhere.

I can't really afford it a place to live, , because I have $70,000 in student fucking loans to pay back and I was clearly making no money in my previous job. I think all of those things are coming home to roost at this point in time and it just, it's frustrating me and I'm just starting to get irritated and I'm trying not to.

I also feel like I always have to be on and  have to sensor. So that's also pissing me off. 

Aaron: That's hard,

Tamu: it's very hard to do all day every day. 

Aaron:  It would certainly weigh on me to be in this situation, especially during a pandemic. 

I think this is just a time, I have described it as I just feel lost right now. And sometimes it's beautiful and sometimes it's not because  I found so much out about myself in this past year and  I'm going through this journey.  When we started this a year ago, we both knew that we wouldn't [00:43:00] be the same person that we are.

I feel like this is surprising. Like we didn't expect this, right? We expected to emerge out of something, but , I didn't expect to just have this 

Tamu: you didn't expect it to be ongoing 

Aaron: I didn't expect to be so affected by this complacency and by this, oh my God. This thirst for change.

That's really what it's about this thirst for change.

Tamu: I watch a lot of  House Hunters International, 

Aaron: shit. I love that show.

Tamu: and there's another show called Mediterranean Life, which is House Hunters International.  I watch it and I just, I have this longing and this desire to be these people and to just be able to go 

Aaron: Yup.

Tamu:  I really want to do that.

Aaron: Mm Hmm. 

Tamu: it's a true longing and desire to get the fuck out and just go do something else. And you know, you see these people like, oh, they just decided to sell everything I have and just go on a whim. And I'm like, wow. Wow. 

Aaron: right. And they're like, [00:44:00] yeah, I sold everything and I work at a coffee shop. I'm like, bitch, what?

Tamu: That or like,  we created a blog and now  it's going well. And we're going to live off of that. And I'm just like, fuck. 

Aaron: These,  people are like, oh, I got a job. And, we just decided to move like, who are these people? I don't know that any of my bosses would be like, yeah, that's fine. Go to Costa Rica. 

I mean,  it can happen, and now definitely it could happen, but 

, I certainly wouldn't take my current job with me to Costa Rica.

That's not destressing. Okay.

Tamu: I get the hang of mine. I I think I can do it, 

Aaron: I think so. 

Tamu: I am amazed and I marvel at these people who are able to just say, well, I'm just going to go do this. It's a TV show and everybody seems to have a great life at the end, but I'm like, God damn, seriously.

Aaron:  I think, especially as people of color, I'm about to make a Mary J reference  we never thought it was possible. Right.  We didn't put it on our radar to plan for it. Our parents didn't know any of this shit. They were broken from the sixties, [00:45:00] essentially, really.

And the civil war.

Tamu: Well, we really dropped, went from 100 

Aaron: I'm trying to let myself be okay with it because I have worked really hard,  I've done a lot for this family and my career path and we've moved a lot, so I'm really trying, but  I'm getting to the point of  I'm just fucking tired of doing nothing.

 It gets to the point of I don't want to eat,  it's like,  okay, I'll eat. Cause I have to, I don't want to go out to dinner. I'm just  tired of the same stuff and . I mean it is depression, right? It's probably like a mild depression, but it's not like this.

I want to end my life. I just want to change the current situation, you know? 

Tamu: it's more of, I want to change my life. 

Aaron: I want to change my life and  add complex to this, I am a 40 something saying this. I want to change my life. I have six children, a husband, and two dogs, a house mortgage, and two cars, that is no longer the option to just pick [00:46:00] up and go.


Tamu: can't be me, even though I don't necessarily feel like I can do that with my  senior citizens that I have to take care of. So many of them like my parents, my extended family here,  I just have it the reverse way. You have six young kids. I have six old kids. 

Aaron: that's a very interesting point because if I were in your shoes, I would give zero fucks. I'm an adult. And I don't say that to be crass. I just say that I feel like we live our lives for our family and our parents and for other people, and it's just never reciprocated. And here we are, we're going to be 65.

Talking about girl, let's go to the Mediterranean, you know? And so I say that to say that there's never a good time to quit. There's never a good time to do what you want to do.  Right.  It is complex because if I apply for a job in London or somewhere else, there are implications, there are repercussions to me.

Like we all have to go, and I have children in high [00:47:00] school that would literally hate me for the rest of their life if I moved them.  And I would never, but of course the impulse is always there. But I would never do that my kids deserve to be stable. 

Again, I've been writing and  really focusing on music because  at some point I really pray, I'm inspired to just go to the, whatever the next step is to do it.

And I'm so like you too, in the same way, I do make plans and,  if they canceled,  I used to get so pissed off with people when they'd be like, whatever. I'm like, you know what? I will catch you on the next one. It is completely fine.

I'm going to sit right here in these fat pants and watch this show and drink my bottle of wine.

Tamu: Amen. Amen. 

Aaron:  I also recognize that there's anxiety too.  I oftentimes will want to cancel things, and there's no reason why I just want to cancel it.  I find myself doing that a lot lately, . I think we're just gonna have to go through these phases of it. Doesn't feel nice. It doesn't feel good. It's uncomfortable, but maybe it's necessary, you know,

Tamu: As Mary says changes, I've [00:48:00] been going through. 

Aaron: see

Tamu: Wow. So you watched her documentary. Does this have something to do with what we're talking about? 

Aaron: it does absolutely. Mary J Blige has a,  documentary on prime video. My Life that came out, I don't know, a month ago or so, and Tamu  told me to watch it. She was like, it's really good to watch it.  Tamu loves Mary. And so I was like, all right, I'm going to watch this.

This morning I watched it and one of the points she made about the ghetto, which I never knew this. Will first say this. I do agree with you, Mary J Blige is a New York phenomenon. It's an east coast phenomenon. She's great. She's big all over the world, but like on the east coast, she's an east coast phenomenon in my personal opinion.

Tamu: She started off that way. 

Aaron: Right, exactly. She started off that way. Yes. Her speaking about  her I'll just characterize it as her ghetto culture. Right. And how she was raised and what she was brought up [00:49:00] in and just that darkness. When she was  in the KC Jojo moment, or maybe a little bit after that she said something to the effect, I didn't know, these things were still affecting me, that I put them away.

 I personally am dealing with a lot of that now myself.  I really think it was just such a relatable documentary. And I thought, when I first watched it, I was like, oh my God, this is going to be some fucking fluff, , glam piece or whatever. But it was like really real.

It was really real. And like just how incredibly sad she was and what I could relate to the most about Mary J Blige in all of that was the reality  or that feeling that  I'm not supposed to make it. I'm not supposed to do this all my life. I've said that I've even said it here. I never thought I would be married.

I never thought I would have children, but it's still extends beyond that. To music, any person I tell about my music,  as I say, oh,  I'm a songwriter. It feels uncomfortable to say that I've never published anything, but I am a songwriter, but it still feels uncomfortable.  I [00:50:00] remember looking at people's faces to see  the doubt or the whatever, and  just like Mary, I didn't have people in my life that were encouraging me to rise above my circumstance.

 I had people tell me, , how are we going to afford this or nothing at all?  I think that we can all, regardless of if you live on the east coast or if you were in California, that was happening, her story was happening to me. And I didn't grow up in the ghetto, 

I was a black kid in Texas and I was in a family that had trauma, had loss, had everything, and I had trauma and, , things that affected me as well.  I keep seeing these documentaries that are just like that you are not alone. 

 When she was  saying how, she would sing and sing and,  she didn't care. And then when people were like, oh, you're getting too good, or whatever, she stopped.

She dimmed her light. I do that all the time. I do that all the time and I probably do it to my own children just because  it's  inherent. We weren't raised [00:51:00] to like, oh honey, the stars, the moon is yours. We were raised, keep your fucking head down and don't get shot.

 That's the reality of the life that we had. , no matter if I,  was a suburban black kid in Austin, Texas, and my parents probably have seen more things than I have ever seen at that point in their lives. It was still the same struggle. It was still the same challenge with finding who you are, and, really understanding who you are.

It's just such therapy to see these real documentaries coming out.  I've spoken of it before the Harry and Oprah documentaries, just  incredible stories, incredible realness. And I think it's really what we need. 

I think in the absence of a society that accepts mental health for what it is, we need people like Mary J Blige and Lady Gaga and all these people who are struggling to tell their stories, because that's the only way that they're going to reach somebody, you know? Sorry. That was a lot

Tamu: I'm so glad that you finally [00:52:00] watched it and get it now. She's awesome. 

Aaron: I want to listen to the album now. 

Tamu: Like I told you, I sat up here with my bottle of wine. And then when I was finished I lip sync and danced in my tiny room for about an hour and a half. 

Aaron: oh my, you had a good old time. 

Tamu: Oh, yeah, yeah, 

Aaron:  I wasn't a big Mary J Blige fan. She came out  a year after Mariah Carey first mention. 

And again, suburban black kid, we had just moved to Houston.

My mom died. Lots of things happen. 

 I would see Mary J Blige and  it's exactly as Puffy described it in that video.  She was  ghetto fabulous. Right. And I was in the suburban setting.  I was trying to be this white, black kid.  Or whatever. I was like, oh, Mary J Blige.

I don't know. I don't like her style she's ghetto.  Because in the nineties. That was us, or at least. In Texas in the suburbs.  Our masking who we are. But I liked Mary, but it wasn't [00:53:00] until the Mary album and she had no makeup on and you could see her scar on her face.

That whole album was just such, it was so therapeutic for me. Like it was just beautiful music, but she also just felt happy.  She seemed free. And that's when I started to  like Mary she started to work with different producers and just the way they were writing and she just seemed really free and just happy and  I love how fucking real she is.

 I remember  when, she left, Bad Boy for Geffen, I think it was. And they're like,  why did you leave Puffy? And she was just like, when I came to Puffy, I was his only artist and now I'm not, he wasn't paying attention to me. So I was like, wow. Okay. Facts there. I love that documentary.  It was beautiful. Thank you.

Tamu: You're welcome. Is there anything else you want to talk about in our midlife When the Bill Comes Due? 

Aaron: no other than we'll be okay. I hope. I think that there's a drive. That's still there. There's a [00:54:00] drive.  Even though I can't do it right now, for whatever reason, like there's still a drive , for difference.  In five years, I don't want to be in the same place, hell in two years, I don't want to be in the same place.

Tamu: In two years, I don't want to be in the same place, 

Aaron: right. 

What about you? Anything?

Tamu: we have each other and we will just continue to trudge along and make it 

Aaron: True. True. True.

Tamu: To coin your person we'll make it happen. 

Aaron: Can you like set me up for that?

Tamu: There you go. We will be back with our throwbacks.  

it's time for the throwback.

 We're continuing our summer jams. And we're now in our nineties summer [00:55:00] jams. what's your summer jam? 

Aaron: My summer jam is Together Again by Janet Jackson and specifically the Tony Moran remix. 

Tamu: I figured there has to be a remix to it, 

Aaron: I did not do any research on this. But it was roughly released in 1994.  It was the second single off of the Velvet Rope album, which is one of my favorite Janet albums because it's really raw and talks about blow jobs.  A really. Experimental Janet and Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis for that matter, these guys are geniuses, but anyway, Together Again, it was 1990s, early nineties.  We were just coming off of, a deep wave of deaths due to AIDS. Quite frankly, there weren't many artists that really were acknowledging the loss in that way.  There's some prominent folks there wasn't widespread recognition. So Janet and others, including Madonna, definitely, pay tribute, and paid attention to these things that were happening.

 But anyway, I love this song because I met a [00:56:00] friend . I'm not gonna say his name. We'll call him. Buddy.  I met Buddy. Buddy was was dating some other guy. We all worked at a grocery store. I worked at a grocery store at a new friend of a friend referring whatever. Anyway, so we just like instantly connected. We would go out and we'd hang out.

And it wasn't anything sexual. It was  a friendship.  And this song came out and whenever we were out, we would dance to this song. It was the Tony Moran remix. And every time I hear it, I always think about Buddy. And I just think about us dancing  we didn't have a care in the world,  at that time.

We just worked to drink basically, you know?  I always have happy memories. We were just hanging out and eating. Ramen noodles with an egg.

He introduced that to me and I was like, oh my God, that's so fucking fascinating.

 There was just such a beautiful connection, between us I think life got in the way I ended up going to school and,  he ended up moving in with his boyfriend at the time.

Together Again was the summer of me and Buddy and just like a friendship.  I were to see him tomorrow, it [00:57:00] would just be  Like yesterday, 

Tamu: that's nice. I think that we should dedicate Together Again, since it's about,  losing people and having the hope of seeing them again to Alison our friend, she lost her dad last week. Lady, we're thinking of you and your mom and sending strength and love.

Aaron:  Alison, you know, I love you to the moon and back.  I would also dedicate it to  all the loss we received for COVID right. I love this song too, cause it's really joy. The lyrics are sad. But it's a joyous song  it's in the vein of, One Sweet Day and those songs see you again. Obviously I think of my mother when I think of this song. I love  Alison. 

Tamu: Stay strong, lady.

 My song is One More Chance/Stay With Me the official remix. I don't really have a specific memory tied to this. I just absolutely love the song. And I have really no reason to, when I look at the lyrics now, however, I just do.

[00:58:00] It's just,  talking about fucking and stuff. So it is what it is, if you listen to the lyrics or read the lyrics of the song, it is a very specific nineties songs. it's about a lot of nineties things  you know, Coogi clothes and, Mitsubishi cars and all kinds of straight New York, nineties references Island Carpets, which is the carpet store in New York.

I was reading the lyrics and I'm like, oh my God, this song is so nineties. That is so specific to  a time in life. 

Aaron: This is crazy. 

Tamu: If you gave the song to a 2000s, kid they'd be like, what? 

Aaron:  Although these kids, they read up on the Biggie Smalls, 

Tamu: these kids don't know shit about nobody. 

Aaron: I should probably spend some more time. Listening to Biggie Smalls, there's some deep messages in his shit. 

Tamu:  The best part was watching the video. I was like, oh my God. Again, it's very you name a person in the nineties. That person is in this video [00:59:00] Heavy D is in the video, Da Brat's in  the video Zhane is in the video.

I'm taking deep cuts to people who might not even know without talking about. Changing Faces is in it. Total is in it. 

Aaron: Changing Faces, 

Tamu: Mary is in it. Obviously Faith is in it cause she's singing. Jermaine Dupri is in it. Latifah's like, Patra is in it. I was like, what the fuck? 

Patra. Wow. I was like, holy shit. This is very specific in this time period.  I was just like, oh my God, this fucking song and video are so nineties.  If you think about nineties hip hop music and the players in it, this was it. 

Aaron: There were a lot of those videos during that time too. 

This is the whole like Suge Knight selling point. If you don't want your produces all up in your videos. 

Tamu: So it was literally as a summer jam because it came out June 6th, 1994. 

Aaron: Me and my kids, we try and pick a summer jam every summer.

 We haven't had one this year. [01:00:00] Music is garbage and I've been listening to a lot of ratchet shit. I don't think Meg is in the repertoire for the kids. 

Tamu: Probably not. 

Aaron: Right. Don't get tap dance up. Oh, that's a different one. That's not Meg though. 

 Like me with  becoming black,  I instantly was like, I need to hear every single ratch song that exists and it's just amazing. 

Tamu: So those are our summer jams. If you have summer jams, let us know. next time we'll be doing the 2000s, 2000 to 2009.  The aughts not the tens 

Aaron: the Aughts? 

Tamu: Yes. 2000s. 

Aaron: Who the fuck says that? 

Tamu: Everybody said the Aughts back when it was the Aughts 

Aaron: is that a New York thing? 

Tamu: No 

so 2000 to 2009, find your song. 

 Aaron: I already got my song. Cause you know, Whitney and Mariah fucking up two thousands, I don't want to pick something different because I understand that people [01:01:00] are bothered by my natural God. Given five octave range. And love of Mariah Carey, 

Tamu: by people, you mean me? 

Aaron: I don't want to name names.

Tamu: I'm not bothered by your love of Mariah at all. 

Aaron: Listen, I don't want to name names and  we are going on 20 years of friendship. That's a fucking lie. Oh my God. I was thinking the other day. Is it  10 years.  2012. Oh my God. It will be our 20 year anniversary. Next year, we'll see October 

Tamu: , 10 years, 10 years. 

Do you want to do your housekeeping. 

Aaron: I think I'm gonna sing the housekeeping today.

thank you for watching. Oh, we ain't got no TV screens. Thank you for listening. We love you. Family.. Don't [01:02:00] forget to follow us on Instgram @WhentheBillComesDue. Don't forget to follow us on Tik Tok @WhentheBillComesDue thank you for rocking with us.  Thank you for rocking with us.

Rocking with us, that was a remix. 

Tamu: Oh

Aaron: my God, what is wrong with me? Oh my God. Can we just talk about the fact that you did not, and you were going to leave this part in because people need to hear this. You left in my disgusting. Nose blowing incident. I was like, [01:03:00] really? I was listening  and,  I'm like, oh, this is a good episode. And then at the very end, I blow my nose. I was unconsciously doing what I do. On mute. but I wasn't on mute and she left it in. So I just want to apologize to my people for that, because that was a real ass moment.

Did you want to say anything? 

Tamu: That's what you're pissed about. Not the fact that you screeched, when thought you had a bug on you. 

Aaron: Oh my God. I forgot about that too. Holy shit. That was a rough night. 

Tamu: It was one of those nights. 

Aaron: Well, I've obviously closed down the house.

That's for you, Alison. Oh, that was really nice and clear too. I've been thinking about recording in levels on my whistle registry. You think I could do it.

Wow. Wow. You're not a good liar. 

Tamu: No, I'm not.

Alright. Kids will. We're going to go  stay safe out there. Don't fool around. Wear your masks. Still. Don't make people peer pressure you into not doing it 

Aaron: right. And January 6th was real. [01:04:00] 

Tamu: Dropping the mic.

Aaron:  All right, bye.