A Little Help For Our Friends

Interview with "Rosemead's" Lawrence Shou: Schizophrenia And A Mother’s Love

• Dr. Kibby McMahon • Season 6 • Episode 170

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A headline never tells the whole story, and the movie "Rosemead" refuses to let us look away. In this episode, star of "Rosemead," Lawrence Shou, unpacks a true-story-inspired film about a Chinese immigrant mother (played by Lucy Liu), a teenage son named Joe (Shou) navigating schizophrenia, and the quiet heartbreak that unfolds when love collides with stigma and a patchwork mental health system. Lawrence brings us inside his process of weeks of research, clinician interviews, and on-set practices that made his performance so hauntingly real.

Our conversation traces how psychosis actually presents: not just shouting or destruction, but blankness, withdrawal, and a mind overloaded by grief and fear. Lawrence explains how Joe’s symptoms are shaped by trauma and context, including anxiety about mass shootings and the loss of his father. We talk about cultural pressures in immigrant families: why silence can feel safer than asking for help and how that silence magnifies risk. 

Lawrence shares how reframing treatment as a path to agency, combined with psychoeducation and community support, can make a tangible difference for families who are exhausted and scared. If you’ve ever wondered what schizophrenia looks like up close, how to avoid snap judgments, or how to show up when someone you love is slipping away, this episode is for you.

"Rosemead" is out in theaters January 9th. Go see it to join the conversation on how we're failing marginalized families with mental illness.

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Dr. Kibby McMahon:

Hi guys, welcome to A Little Help for Our Friends, a podcast for people with loved ones struggling with mental health. Hey little helpers, it's Dr. Kibbi here. Before we dive into this episode, I wanted to tell you how I could help you navigate the mental health or addiction struggles of the people you love. Cool A Mine is the online coaching platform and community that I built to support you in the moment when you need it the most, like having hard conversations, asserting your needs, or setting boundaries. Even if you're just curious and want to chat about it, book a free call with me by going to the link in the show notes or going to coolamine.com, K-U-L-A-M-I-N-D.com and click get started. Thank you and enjoy the show. Hey little helpers. Today we have a really special guest for you. His name is Lauren Schau, the star of the movie Rosemead, which is gonna be out in theaters January 9th. Um, so it's probably out by the time you listen to this. I was lucky enough to go to an early screening of this movie, and uh it blew me away. It was so moving, I'm still processing it. Like it'll just pop in my head randomly throughout the day, and I'll just be thinking about it. Without giving too much of it away, uh, I'll tell you it's about a Chinese immigrant mother named Irene and her son Joe. Lucy Liu plays Irene and Lawrence plays her son Joe. Um and Lawrence discovered that she has terminal cancer while she's trying to support her son who's struggling with schizophrenia. Uh and I can't say too much about it, and don't don't look this up until you you see the movie, but the movie is actually based on a true story that was reported in the LA Times in 2017. And the movie is so clearly a meaningful labor of love. After the screening, Lucy Liu told the audience that uh the movie was actually really hard to make. It was hard to get off the ground because it wasn't the typical Hollywood movie. But they fought to get it made because uh she was like, the story needs to be told. People need to be aware that this is happening, that families are struggling with mental illness, and this is what can happen, this is what it can look like. So the movie really does spark so much conversation and reveal how difficult it is to deal with mental illness in the family, especially for people who are overlooked, isolated, marginalized, or and who slip through the cracks of our traditional healthcare system. So I was thrilled to have this conversation with Lawrence. Um, he's so nice, and he gave literally one of the best performances of schizophrenia I've ever seen. Uh it shook me to my core watching him. I remember leaving the movie and asking my husband, like, who was that actor? He was so good. Like he I just it just blew me away, honestly. So in this episode, he shares what he's learned about schizophrenia, all that he did to really research it and understand it, and understand how schizophrenia is way more common than we think. And he also talks about what it took to deliver such an authentic performance. For his first major feature debut, it's crazy. He's so talented. So I'm just so excited to have this conversation with him before he becomes a super famous star. And it was just a fascinating conversation about mental illness, community, and what we need to do to support each other through something so difficult. So please enjoy. Welcome back, little helpers. We have a really, really special guest today. I am so excited to have this conversation. We have Lauren Shao talking to us about his role in Rosemade, this movie that I I don't know if I've had a similar reaction to a movie before. I mean, it was it was just I'm still processing it, but it is such a powerful movie about mental health and culture and family mental health and oh so many things. So um I'm just so happy to talk to you today, Lauren. So thank you for joining us.

SPEAKER_00:

Of course, thank you so much for having me.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

Tell us a little bit about the movie, because I don't want to give away too much, but what is Rosemead about? What was your role in it? Tell us about.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so um, first of all, I play uh in Rosemead, I play Joe, uh the Sun. Um this story is a true story. Uh it was inspired by a true story. Um it was an event that happened back in 2015 in the actual town of Rosemade in the San Gabriel Valley in Los Angeles County. Um it's a story I think that is very relevant, um, very powerful, very moving. Um it deals with the Asian American immigrant community. Um, it deals with mental health, the mental health community. Um, I don't want to get too much into spoilers, but just to give a little bit of background, it's about um a mother who is an immigrant raising her son who struggles with schizophrenia, um, or Joe, like I mentioned earlier. Um, I play Joe, the son. Um, and Joe obviously he has his own tremendous struggles, as well as Irene the mother, um, who is also dealing with a cancer diagnosis, and as well as Joe's father, who actually passed away um a few months ago uh from another cancer diagnosis. Um there is a lot of struggle, a lot of trauma, um, a lot of weight, but I think there's also a lot of hope in this movie and a lot of love. Um, I think that's something that we really want to get across uh as actors and as filmmakers when we were making this movie, is that even though, yes, this movie is very heavy, and there's a lot of topics in here that are difficult to talk about, difficult to watch, um, there's also a lot of love because these are two people who really, really love each other. You know, there is a connection here between this mother and this son that is really beautiful, and it makes this story worth watching because it kind of shows just how damaging stigmas and expectations and community, you know, the the lack of support from community can be for two people. Uh, because these two people, you know, they were they loved each other so much, and they were like any other mother and son, you know, they could have had a beautiful, a normal life. Um, unfortunately, they dealt with so much just so much pain and so much suffering and received, you know, no support and did not know how to ask for support, and because of that had to end, you know, with so much tragedy. Uh, but I I really want people to watch this movie and recognize that not only is there tragedy, but there's also love, and in that we can find hope so that we can help other people who are going through situations like this one, you know, because Joe and Irene, you know, as tough and as difficult as it may be to hear, you know, they are not a unique story, unfortunately. They are real people, you know, and there are people like them, you know, lives who parallel their their own situations all over the world. And as viewers, we can be mindful of that and we can learn that, hey, we can help people like this, we can watch these stories, we can educate ourselves, and we can reach out to people who are going through situations like this one.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

So beautifully said of just like just the movie is like going through my mind, and I'm just so anyway. I'm just like overall. Um that is so beautiful to focus on the the love. And um it's such a it's such a different and interesting and deep love between a parent and a child when there's a severe mental illness involved because just watching it too, you know. I'm I'm you know, I'm a new mother myself and just just thinking about how painful that would be to have a son who's struggling with something, right? There's something that you don't understand, like a an a chronic illness, you know, is just like you want your children to be happy and safe, and then when something like this comes up, it's like parents are at a loss. So can you can you tell us a little bit about when you were preparing for the role of Joe or when you were you were thinking about Joe? Like how how did you like I mean I I just was so blown away by your performance, honestly. I like at the end of the movie, I turned to my husband and I was like, who is that actor? Is it like who is he? That was it was incredible. How did you approach Joe getting into the character of Joe?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, absolutely. You know, the thing is I I find so much parallel um with Joe and myself. Um being that I'm Asian American, I grew up uh, you know, with Asian immigrant parents. You know, I had your where are your parents from Yeah, so my parents are both from mainland China. Um they immigrated here when they were in college. Uh my mom's from Qingdao, my dad's uh from uh he's from Yangzhou, so they were you know very, very when they came here, you know, they were very much like Irene uh in this story, you know, they came here with virtually nothing and they kind of had to build themselves up, you know, a true just immigrant story. Um and so for me personally, you know, I I found a lot of similarities growing up. You know, I know what it feels like to have immigrant parents who, you know, they don't really fit into the community, and you don't really fit into the community, and you have Asian American friends, you know, and non-Asian American friends who, you know, you you kind of try to get along with, but you know, it's is always a sort of distance. Um, so I know what it feels like to have that sort of like society, that that sort of, you know, distance, that sort of uh stigma that comes from the community being an Asian American, being an immigrant. Um, I know what it feels like. I also know what it feels like to have the stigma of mental health within uh the Asian American community, you know, because it's something that I think is very real um and very unfortunate that so many Asian American families and so many Asian American, you know, parents, they don't necessarily want to talk about mental health, especially to their children. You know, it's oftentimes just you know, your grades, how are you doing in school, you know, what are you, what's your extra extracurriculars, you know, it's all very career oriented, you know, focused on you know being successful, but they don't have that sort of awareness of what's going on on the inside, which a lot of times as a young man, I know for myself growing up, you know, it was incredibly hard. Um, and I I know I'm actually one of the lucky ones because my mom, um, she was a little more progressive, I think, than a lot of other uh Asian parents, and she actually started working in mental health when I was in college. So, yes, yes, it was she's an academic advisor at a youth uh a youth home. It's for kids with neurodivergencies who struggle with you know yeah, with mental health, and and so she kind of had this she she well obviously, you know, growing up as when I was very young, when she before she started doing this, she uh was more of the traditional type, but as she got older, she had a more she educated herself a little more, and so she was a little more accepting, and and I think that is so incredibly powerful, you know, for for myself. Even now, like I I I'm I'm so glad that she was able to do that because I think so many kids need it. Um and yeah, so when I when I was approaching Joe, you know, I I had I I brought a lot of myself to him, you know, I brought a lot of the feelings that I had growing up. Um and then the rest of it just kind of, you know, especially with the schizophrenia. You know, I I had experiences with you know what it grow up feels like to grow up Asian. I don't have too many experiences with the schizophrenia itself. You know, that just came down to the director, Eric. Um, he took his time, both me and him, we spent a lot of time just researching what it means to have schizophrenia, what it feels like, you know. We wanted really to honor the memory of Joe and honor the people who do have schizophrenia because it's something that is so universal. You know, I I I realize it more now that we finished this film that there are so many people who either struggle with schizophrenia or know someone who struggles with schizophrenia. You know, it's something that is so widespread. And so when we were when we were fit uh filming and we were researching, you know, it all came down to knowing exactly what we would want, what Joe was going through. We wanted to really get in his head and know that hey, this is something that you know someone else could be watching one day and and think, you know, this is something that they could have experienced and they could put themselves in that shoot, and and we wanted so we wanted to honor that. We really wanted to be diligent and take our time with that. Um and yeah, we s we spent many, many days, many weeks. I think we we had about a uh I think it was about a month, uh month before we shot, or we just prepped. And so it was you know reading books, interviews, we interviewed doctors, psychiatrists, we did everything we could, and and we we wanted to make sure also that I was comfortable with the material, you know, because it was this heavy, heavy world that I was diving into, and we wanted um it to be sound and be safe for myself. Um and I'm you know, to that I I just give so much credit to him because Eric, he was my both him and Lucy and the entire Rosemead cast, but they were like my support system, you know. I could not have done this without them.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

That's amazing. That's amazing you did that much research. What did what did you learn about schizophrenia? Like coming from, you know, like people probably listening or like kind of have a picture in their mind of what it looks like, but what what did you learn in that research about what the experience of schizophrenia really is?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, actually one of the biggest things that I learned, um, and this is some something I say sometimes when you do Q ⁇ As, um, and it's it was something that I didn't necessarily know before. I knew I knew what like kind of what schizophrenia was before I I took on this role. Um but after I I took it on and we started researching, I really, you know, got the chance to like educate myself, really just learn truly what schizophrenia was and and what it means. Um, which I once again is also my hope for people watching this film. You know, I hope it does spark an interest in people who, you know, maybe if you aren't super aware of schizophrenia like I was, you know, maybe you want to learn a little bit more. I think that would be uh very helpful. I think it would be um I think we need more of that. We need more people to educate themselves on schizophrenia and mental health. Um but yeah, I think I think the biggest thing that I learned, and to me is off oftentimes something that I echo is that schizophrenia does not is not one certain set of symptoms, you know. When we look at schizophrenia, a lot of times we think of, you know, people screaming on the streets. We think of um, you know, people breaking things and and and you know looking crazy. And and you know, schizophrenia can look like that, however, it doesn't always. You know, schizophrenia is unique to every single person. Um, it's oftentimes compounded by your own trauma and your own experiences in your life. So, for example, I'll take Joe. You know, Joe was a young man who dealt with an incredible amount of trauma. You know, his father passed away in front of him, his mother had cancer, or his mother was diagnosed with cancer, and so as a result, that all kind of factored in and it shaped the way that his schizophrenia manifested. You know, it wasn't just as simple as, oh, he's going crazy, oh he has schizophrenia, oh he's you know he's seeing things. It was a lot of it was from what he saw in real life, and that kind of changed the way that he was was uh you know going through these episodes. You know, it it it almost kind of I want to say, you know, it it it it all came from a place of protection. You know, I it's something that we we in the movie is harped on a little bit, you know. He at the end of the day, Joe loves his mom and he really wants to protect his mom. He wants to protect his family, he wants to protect his community. Unfortunately, he doesn't know how to, and he sees all these things going around him, and the schizophrenia just makes it worse, you know, because all of these things, there's so much for a young teenager to go through, and as he's going through, it becomes overwhelming. And so the schizophrenia, it it compounds on that anxiety, that fear, that the the anger that he has, uh, you know, the frustration, all of that. And so it's it's very unique to him. I don't, you know, I that's something I I want people to know is that you know, Joe's symptoms aren't universal. It's not like every single schizophrenia kid looks like Joe. Uh Joe doesn't look like every other schizophrenic, you know, episode. It's not it's not just you know one set of symptoms. It's not just it doesn't look one certain way, it's something that every person has that you know, or it's something that is unique to every person who has schizophrenia. You know, it's all based off their own experiences. It's something that can look different, can look scarier, can also be a little tamer. And when I was researching that, that really that really surprised me and and it really shaped the way that um I took to approaching how I would create the depiction of Joe and how I would see the episodes that he was going through.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

Yeah, that's super interesting. Um because he had it was it was interesting. I just I'm just remembering that um my husband and I didn't know about the movie, so we came in uh just kind of expecting it to be like uh like a story about like you know immig immigrant families and how you know to come together, and we were watching and we're like, is he a schizophrenia? Like what's what's happening? Just it was just interesting to watch the movie show Joe kind of like having some symptoms and you know kind of building up. Um and I remember it definitely paranoia was a big one, right? Like paranoia was one of his biggest. I'm trying to think about like if they showed a lot of his hallucinations. Did he have like what kind of symptoms were we have?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, we did do paranoia, that was uh that was a big one. Um I think a lot of the paranoia came from um the anxiety that he had when he was going through uh everything. You know, it was like I said, it was a it's a lot for a young man to go through, and so obviously um he had a lot of anxiety, he had a lot of, you know, it was almost you know, I actually had someone come up to me after uh showing and they said, you know, he they they mentioned that Joe might also have PTSD, and you know, he was never formally diagnosed. Um, the real Joe was never formally diagnosed with any, or at least not that we know of. Um, however, you know, that's a very real possibility, you know, something like your father dying in front of you that could cause PTSD in a young man, and that could lead to anxiety, paranoia, you know, it could lead to a lot of a lot of these things, a lot of these, you know, incredible just emotions and and episodes that he was going through. Um, but yes, you know, obviously the schizophrenia manifested in other ways as well. You know, we played, we kind of played around with it. We didn't, you know, obviously we never had the chance to interview the real Joe, uh, unfortunately, and we'd never had a chance to. Know what he was actually thinking or what he was going through. We knew that he was diagnosed with schizophrenia based off the 2017 article from Frank Shang, but is that all you knew about him?

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

The article? Or did you wow?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so yeah, I mean in the in the real story, you know, after everything had happened, um, actually, the uh the the friend was the one who actually went to uh who was willing to share the story because otherwise, you know, this story would have been buried. You know, it would have been it would have ended at the art at the the you know the clickbait news article like mother, you know. I'm not gonna spoil the ending, but you know, it there's a big event and they had a lot of news article about it, but um, it was only until the friend went to the journalist Frank Shang, who later wrote the 2017 article that the their real story got heard. And so pretty much all we know about them is from that article because you know, there was no other stories, no other interviews, there wasn't even like I can't, I mean I couldn't even get a picture of what they actually looked like or what Joe actually looked like. So we had a lot, that's why, you know, that's also why we say this was inspired by a true story, um, because a lot of it we kind of had to create ourselves. You know, we did not have a book or a or Bible that kind of told us exactly what they were going through. And when I was, like you said, you know, when I was going through or portraying the schizophrenia and and figuring out where to go, you know, in terms of like hallucinations and the paranoia, a lot of that we kind of had to come up with ourselves. And that's also why we did so much research, is because we didn't know what he was going through. We didn't know what he we just kind of had to imagine it. And so yeah, we definitely played around with hallucinations. You know, we had even at one point we had like a little earpiece uh in my ear, you know, to play around with what it would feel like to have voices, you know, because that obviously would be very jarring to hear voices. Um, we we I would imagine, you know, certain figures popping up in the corners, you know, for for visual hallucinations, you know. It was it wasn't and it wasn't necessarily because that's what schizophrenia is, it was more because I wanted to really put myself in this headspace of this kid who does not know what's going on. You know, he's seeing things and he's hearing things that he does not understand. And whatever they may be, whatever he the real Joe might have heard, whatever they might have seen, all we know is that you know it was too much. It was it was overwhelming for him. And that's what I want that was the kind of headspace that I wanted to get into was just to be overwhelmed. And so yeah, we played around with that, and and it was uh it was it was a tough, tough even just acting it out, like not even, I mean, I I wasn't this isn't I'm not even the real Joe, and and I remember just feeling so incredibly burdened and heavy every single day that I was living through these these these scenes.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

How do you do that as an actor? How how did you what is what is the process of I don't even know what it's like to be an actor? Um but what when you're on set and you have to do these scenes and then you have to like to take breaks for different takes, like how how do you get into those those intense scenes where he's having pretty in intense episodes?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you know, a lot of it actually, you know, I will say this the the hardest or the most scariest part for me actually was not while we were shooting, it was before we were shooting, it was right before when I first landed in New York and we were like four days out from shooting. That was the time when I was terrified. I was just like, oh my god, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to do it. You know, this is finally real, like I'm here, I you know, I'm I'm seeing Lucy, I'm seeing the sets, the costumes, I'm like, oh my god, I don't know what's gonna happen. And it was really terrifying. Um, but I do want to say that, and you know, I I've said this many, many times, but I'm going to say it again because it is so true and so worth saying, is that we had the most amazing community and the most supportive people on set, you know, Lucy, Eric, Manette, um, all of our cast and crew, every single person was supportive, was there for each other. And it even got to a point where some of the crew started opening up about their own mental health, their own struggles. And so for me, I felt so safe and so protected that even though at first, you know, it was terrifying, it was overwhelming. And when I when I went into it, I you know, I didn't I didn't know if I was gonna be able to do it. I remember thinking to I never told anyone, but I remember thinking, like, oh my god, like, did I make the right choice by taking this role? Like, yeah, I get to work with Lucy, but it's also so terrifying. Um, but you know, Eric was there for me every day, and one of the things that I I talk about with Eric is that he is a director who is willing to be there for you, not just when we're working, you know, a lot of directors, you know, they kind of just direct you while you're while you're on set, and then you know, they go back to their trailer and you go back to yours, and then it's kind of like that's it. But Eric, you know, he would take me out, you know, even we would we would have weekends where we weren't shooting, and he would still make the effort to show me around New York, take me out to brunch, and we would talk about our day, and he would he would talk to me. And I remember there was a few uh mornings when I would have some thoughts about the scenes, and I would text him or call him at like 8 a.m. in the morning, and he'd pick up and he he talked to me about that, even though he's tired and he wants to sleep, you know. It it was it was all just from their support, you know, and Lucy as well, you know. Lucy, I mean, she was just a mom to me in every sense of the word, um, taking care of me onset, offset. You know, I I remember she would literally like sit there after after we would finish our scenes, she would sit there and she would talk to me. And it was, it was, I remember it kind of struck me at first because you know, Lucy, she's this big star, she can kind of do whatever she wants on set, she can leave if she wants, you know, she doesn't have to stay. But she would take her time to talk to me about not even just the movie, but uh just about like who I was. She'd ask me questions like, How's your family? You know, how are you doing? You know, where what school did you go to? Did you like school? Like things like that, and it it helped me to feel comfortable. And I think at the end of the day, that's kind of how I was able to get into this headspace of Joe, is because I had such a good supporting cast around me. And so when I went into these characters, even though it was so daunting and it was so heavy, when I when I finished these scenes, it was like I had people there for me who helped me to decompress and helped me to release. So even though, you know, again, it was very heavy and it was very scary, but when I went home, I felt safe, I felt comfortable, I felt supported, and I knew there were people who were looking out for me. And so I never felt overwhelmed. You know, that that was the biggest thing, you know. I I I never felt like, oh my god, you know, tomorrow's gonna be a nightmare. I'm never gonna be able to finish the scene. It was always like like, man, if I I I just I wanted to see these people so much. I wanted to work with them, I wanted to do my best for them. And and so I I give so much credit to them because without everyone we had on Rosemead, I I truly would not have been able to do this movie.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

I mean, this is a testament to what the movie is about, which is like community around mental health is so important, right? And when we don't have that, you know, it's it's I mean that can make or break someone's recovery. And when you're when you when you were doing when you were doing a scene a scene where Joe's having episodes, did you did you have to get into this like place of fear, or was it were what was your pro like did you have to picture what the hallucinations or paranoia was like? Like what what what did it feel like when you were doing it?

SPEAKER_00:

Um, you know, it would it actually it it wasn't necessarily always one thing. Um we would talk about me and Eric, um we would do a lot of prep before each scene, especially the schizophrenia scene. Um we would talk mostly about what we were seeing and what we were hearing. That was the biggest thing, and I would kind of just in the moment work off of that. It wasn't necessarily like, oh, I'm gonna go into this scene and it's like I'm scared, I'm scared, I'm scared. It was more just okay, you know, for example, you know, Joe is in a classroom and he starts hearing voices, he starts seeing, you know, little movements, and it's like for me, it was a lot of it was just reacting off of that, you know. Like, how would I react if there was like if I saw someone thought someone was gonna come into this room and hurt me, you know, how scared would I be? You know, would I be scared? Would I be angry? Would I be, you know, uh would I be panicking? Like what what would going on and what was going on? And so it was it was very much I would kind of just build off of that. Um I I never there wasn't any scene where I would necessarily, you know, like come in with an emotion already planned. Um mostly because you know that of that, I mean doing that kind of makes it a little feel a little more too rehearsed for me, you know. As a as a actor, I like to go in things a little bit fresh. Um, I like to kind of just react to the scene and and the characters and and especially scenes with Lucy. I like I love to react off of her. I mean, she's so talented, so it's like I kind of have I kind of I'm naturally going to react off of her and play off of her. Um but with skit the schizophrenia scenes, yeah. I mean, we would we would have different like I guess we can call them like guideposts. We would have like, oh, this is in this moment, this is kind of what Joe's seeing. This is what kind of what Joe's hearing, and this is how people around him are reacting to him. And based off of that, I would kind of uh create what I would do. I would create the episode, and and so you know, there were some scenes where you know maybe he's a little more angry, and so he would be a little more physical, and he would be a little more confrontational, you know. Maybe there were some scenes where he's a little more scared, so he might be a little more subdued, right? He might be just kind of cowering, you know, it it all kind of depended. Um, I think, you know, at each scene, that's that's the thing about schizophrenia, you know, like I said earlier, is that it doesn't look one certain way, you know, not every episode is the same. You know, every episode um has a catalyst, and each catalyst is based off of what they're going through in that moment, right? And that moment could be triggered by anything, it could have anything, you know, it could be in a school, in in a in your house, in your work, you know, wherever. And you kind of have to take that all into account. And so that's kind of what I did um with creating the schizophrenic episodes. You know, I wanted to make sure that it was relevant to the moment and relevant to what Joe was going through at that moment.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

Yeah, that's so fascinating. I I really I I thought it was so interesting how Joe would be reacting to stuff that was going on in his family and also the world around him. Like there was all the shootings that year, right? Or in that area, and to have to like take in information about all this danger and then him feeling overwhelmed by it or just not knowing how to how to respond.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah. Um, you know, it it it all comes down to I think uh what what we found in the article. Um because in the article, actually, you know, a lot of this was based off of fact, um, Joe's interests and Joe's fears. Um, because in the article, Joe, the real Joe was actually he was uh someone who was obsessed with mass shootings. Um we don't know why necessarily. Um we can kind of surmise, you know, in my mind, Joe it came from a place of protection. You know, he was seeing these real-world events and he wanted to protect his mother from them. He wanted to protect his family, his friends from them. And so when he was seeing this uh these shootings on the news, this these news of violence, you know, it became this uh it c it became another sort of catalyst for him, um, another another situation where he didn't feel safe for himself, for his family, for his mother. Uh and from that, I think came a lot of fear and a lot of anxiety, um, which oftentimes compounded into his schizophrenic episodes. Um, and unfortunately, you know, led to unpredictability, led to violence, um, and led to things that other people kind of judged as you know what he was becoming, yeah, even though he necess wasn't necessarily becoming that, because you know, I mean, even in the real story, you know, we Joe never committed any violence. You know, that that's something we want to uh highlight is that you know he never hurt anybody. We had no reason to believe he was going to hurt anybody. You know, we saw these, you know, all all people were going off of was, you know, quote unquote concerning behavior. And so that's kind of where they built this narrative. And that's oftentimes the tragic things about a lot of schizophrenic people is people build narratives uh based off of without doing proper research, without you know, properly talking to them and talking to doctors and psychiatrists and knowing what they're going through. You know, they build narratives, and oftentimes that leads to tragedy. And with Joe, you know, that's such the case, you know, it's it's exactly what kind of happens, you know. Joe's mom, Irene, unfortunately, she does not know how to deal with schizophrenia, she doesn't know how to learn about it, she doesn't know how to reach out about it, and so she builds this narrative in her mind. Um, and even though it's from a place of love, even though it's from a place of protection, she wants the best for Joe, she wants to protect Joe, but it ends in tragedy because she just does not understand it and nobody was willing to help her understand it.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

Yeah, yeah. No, that's a that's such an interesting point that watching the movie it was like we we are aware now with all of these different shootings that mental health plays a role, right? People who tend to do met uh, you know, mass violence have some sort of like, you know, I don't know, they've had videos where they're talking about it or they're they're obsessed with with violence or killing or something like that. So when you have someone who is severely mentally ill talking about, you know, shootings and stuff like that, it's like the the natural assumption is oh no, this person is is bad, is dangerous. But it's interesting that it's like a lot of people with mental illness are going to be fixated on on danger, but not all of them are dangerous. And the the the poor kids who have done horrible things, a lot of the time it's probably because they're just so ill and they just didn't know what to do. You know, it was just it wasn't a conscious choice to be bad. It was like they they were struggling with something. And it's just it's it's such a I think society wants to be like we want to we want bad people and good people, and and with mental illness, it's actually much more complex than that.

SPEAKER_00:

Right, yeah.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

Um yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, Frank, you know, Frank uh uh the journalist actually had this great quote about it, you know, a lot of times uh with schizophrenia, people don't know how to help them, and even in the especially in the United States, you know, the government doesn't really help them either. You know, I I he had this, he said this thing um at a at a Q ⁇ A once, um, and it kind of stuck with me, is that when people encounter individuals with schizophrenia, the first thing they often do is call 911, and the first thing they send when they get called 911 is policemen with guns, you know, and that's oftentimes the first response, whether that person is violent, whether that person is, you know, it's just an episode. You know, we don't know what's going on, they don't try to know what's going on. They come in there, you know, and they see this person who they think to be unstable, and they immediately resort to force. And it's really unfortunate, and that's why there's so I think there's so many tragic outcomes with schizophrenia. You know, people don't understand it. People don't know how to understand it, and they're not willing to get to get help, they're not willing to educate because that that's something that you know I think is also really underrated in mental health, is that you know, a lot of people when they s when they meet someone with schizophrenia or with uh any sort of uh mental irregularity, is that they immediately think, well, this person needs to get help. But a lot of times it's also the person who's taking care of them, the person who's encountering them who also needs that help. You know, we all kind of need to educate ourselves and to know that we can help each other, we can kind of reach out to each other, and that is where we can avoid tragic outcomes, you know, because like I said, you know, in the from Frank's quote, you know, a lot of times the first thing we know we do when we deal with something like this is to resort to force, is reward to resort to police with guns, and it's like that's not really conducive to a positive outcome, you know. That that's just conducive to more violence and more unstabless and more unpredictability. And if we truly want to help people and avoid these tragic stories, we have to be better. All of us, and we have to know that these people are human beings and we can help them. We have to know that they can be helped.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

I mean, you're just speaking my language. My whole my whole mission in life is helping family members and loved ones of people with mental illness. Because yeah, when in Irene's case, you know, she has a son who's talking about, you know, obsessed with with mass shootings and she doesn't know what to do. Of course, the natural like the we tell everyone, call 911, and then they then police show up with guns and and handcuffs and pepper spray, and that's traumatizing, even if you do have a mental illness.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

So what do you what do you think that Irene, I mean, there I don't think there's a right answer to this, but what do you think Irene should have done? Or what do you think that this the community should have done for her and that family?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you know, it it that you're you're absolutely right. You know, there is no real right answer because a lot of times it's not really their fault. You know, it's not and it it wasn't Irene's fault that it ended this way, you know. It wasn't, you know, she truly just did not know what else to do. Uh, and I think there are people like that today, and that that you know, it's really sad to think about because yeah, there are mothers like that who they they, you know, they're immigrant, they come from marginalized communities, you know, so they literally just have no idea where and how to get help. You know, they can barely get help from themselves. And it's like now you throw on like a son who's struggling with schizophrenia, it's like you're throwing, you know, a a mountain on top of them. You know, what what are they supposed to do? They're only one person, and so it it's really tragic. Um, but for me, and I and I'm I'm saying this not just as an actor who was in Rosemead, but also as just like a human being. Um, I you really want stories and messages like this one to be heard because whether or not you you know agreed with the film or you like the film or or you you know you like the the filmmaking whatever you know whatever it may be the thing that I hope the most for Rosemead is that it sparks a conversation and it allows people to learn to interest themselves in mental health you know and I think that's that's the best thing about Rosemead is a lot of times it is it's a conversation starter it can allow people to talk about something that they might not otherwise talk about and that's where we start you know for me I I believe that that's where we start you know isn't necessarily oh right away you know are we gonna have the answer you know is this what Irene should have done is this what our community should have done like like no like we we don't have that answer all the way you know it's it's a work in progress we have it's there's so many things that are wrong with you know our society our government you know on how we deal with mental health and how we help people with mental health you know it's not one you know oh yeah we can fix this you know do this blah blah blah step by step and we're good you know it's it's it's a conversation and right now all we can do is inspire people to join that conversation and that's I think what Rosemead can do and I'm that's what I hope it will do is that it will inspire people to join this conversation and so that way we can have more people talking about it we can have more people aware of it and you know possibly even educate themselves about it. And the more we do that the closer we can get to having an answer and the closer we can get to having something that can help everyone you know can help all the Irene and all the Joes in the world you know it's it's something that I think needs to start.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

Yeah I think that's so beautiful and I that was something that struck me at the QA um when I saw it with um Lucy and Eric and they they were saying that I just I just didn't know the the the production behind it and the fact that she was like you know it was so hard to get this movie made because you know like it's not the Hollywood you know typical commercial thing that would just be like a blockbuster. It's a really hard story and they were so dedicated to just getting that story told um and I was like wow this is really this has more of a mission behind it than just like you know like Hollywood whatever. So um that's really it's really incredible and just just I I like I like thinking about what you're saying of helping people understand that schizophrenia is actually more common because I as a psychologist I barely knew that. Like I just assumed that it was like a few people who are on the streets or in a institution somewhere very very crazy. But then for example I worked in a um in an emergency room and there were people coming in and out who didn't have diagnosed schizophrenia but they had a bad drug episode and were seeing things and hearing things and they got scared and it's just it's just interesting to see that you know we all know about depression and anxiety but hallucinations paranoia all those symptoms more people have it than they're aware of and then what do you do when your loved one has it like that's ooh scary.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah absolutely yeah I mean it's something it struck me too I mean I I actually you know I realized I picked up on that uh kind of later on um that was actually something that I learned uh after the movie kind of started playing around because I would get so many people who would come up to me and they'd tell me you know hey like my brother struggled with schizophrenia my cousin struggled with schizophrenia my friends got struggled with schizophrenia and you know it it I remember there was like a few screenings or back-to-back screenings we had where it was like almost every screening you know there would some be someone or one or two people come up to me and they tell me that and it was it was so crazy to me because it's like oh you know yeah like you said you know a lot of times when you think of schizophrenia you don't think of everyday people you think of like all the extreme cases you know you think of these you know things you see on TV maybe you think of you know like interviews you see on YouTube but you don't think of like oh well this is around this is in my community this is in my neighborhood but it is it very much is you know schizophrenia is something that it is in a lot of ways universal you know it it it touches so many people you know whether or not you have schizophrenia yourself you know you probably know someone who does or know someone who knows someone who does you know it it's all kind of connected in that way and that's you know again why I I'm so proud of this film you know because yes it's not the Hollywood blockbuster yes it's probably not gonna make you know millions of dollars at the box office but it's something that is important because it's not everywhere you know you you mean look at the releases we have right now you know it's not around you know yes we have happy holiday movies yes we have great films coming out and yes they are worth watching and you should watch them and enjoy them but you know a lot of times you also need education we need films that can help our communities help us inspire conversation and help us learn about something that we might not otherwise learn about and I am proud of Rosemade you know for that you know regardless of what we do at the box office regardless of how many people see it you know it's it's something that I think we really did and and I and I really hope that you know whether studios or other filmmakers can see it and be inspired to make their own films about mental health because it is something that is worth getting out there and I think it needs to be get out more more publicly more accessible. And I I hope it doesn't just end here. I hope you know yes you know we had a lot of difficulties I mean I'm sure Lucy talked about a lot but you know there's also a lot of there's a lot of hope and there's a lot of things that this film can do that people need. And I and I think that's really worth doing.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

Yeah. I really I really admired how um you in the in the spirit of getting uh raising awareness how you when especially when Joe was having intense episodes or at least the episodes are coming on you had this like you went like more internal like real even when when he was had the most extreme right when when um he was you know he wa he went missing and you know was bound the you there was kind of like a blank look in your eyes and it was like everything was happening internally like it almost is like kind of hmm like kind of zoned out or shut shut down from the outside. I'm sure there was a lot happening on in on the inside. I thought that was so cool because it was usually when people don't know about schizophrenia they're just assume that it's like someone who's just like you know just like yelling and screaming on the street but actually there's so much of a going inward and shutting down and isolating that we we're having a problem with that everywhere, right? Like so many parents are worried about their kids who are disappearing into their phones and stuff like that. So the the the show of the dip depicting mental health crisis as like you know go drawing inward was just fascinating. I thought you did a great job just doing that. That was awesome. It was I was like oh wow just like you know you could see you like having like being sensitive and you know paying attention to the world around you and then kind of going inward and blanking out.

SPEAKER_00:

Oof that must have been hard to do to like just be in that headspace yeah yeah absolutely yeah I mean that's also another word I think that is very important you know isolation um I think both of them dealt with a lot of isolation you know not even just schizophrenia but also you know cancer you know that's also something that's isolating to a lot of people you know uh it it creates a distance between themselves and their family members their friends or communities um which is again very very tragic and very unfortunate um but yeah I mean for for those scenes you know Joe I think something I really wanted audiences to understand is that Joe is just a kid uh who's going through this you know he's not like an adult who you know knows about or understands you know anything like he's a kid like he like one minute he was this normal student in class you know on the swim team you know doing everything a normal kid would do and the next minute he's going through unspeakable horrible thoughts and and and emotions and episodes and it's like it it it all has an effect on him you know sometimes I think um like you said when I when I he was kind of drawing in um a lot of that I kind of found because you know that was something that I did a lot of times you know when I dealt with something that was overwhelming or I didn't know what to do you know I would kind of shut myself in you know and that comes with you know you know obviously I I I mean I never dealt with schizophrenia myself personally but I did deal with you know depression I had you know times where I I had my own mental health struggles and and I would just kind of close myself in and I I wouldn't talk to anybody I wouldn't do anything and I would just kind of walk around every day and I'd look lost you know I'd look apathetic you know it was it was all it was all part of that and I kind of factored that into my performance you know because it is a lot of isolation and as a kid you know you don't have the answers you don't know what to do so you just shut yourself in. And so you know when he was going through these episodes when he was in the thick of of what he was going through and he was so overwhelmed and so just out of control you know I think to me the answer in that moment was just shutting down you know he literally physically could not you know do anything he was he was like a robot at that point he was like he was like a shell of himself you know it it it was like he had been almost shattered uh just by the trauma by the experiences you know in in it was it was it was a difficult scene you know I I still I I know the scene you're talking about and I you know I still remember it it's still very much ingrained in my head um I mean all of them are but that you know that one and a few other ones particularly are really really stuck in my head because I just remember yeah like just it was so much tragedy and I remember just feeling so so much sadness and so much just so much shame for all the things that Joe went through you know that he had to go through these things that he did not have anyone there to even just tell him that hey this is okay you know he I think you know even just someone just going up to him being like hey like this is okay what you're going through is normal like that would have been so helpful but he never had that and he kind of just had to do these things alone he did have his friends he did and the and the therapist who tried to yeah tried to help yeah well yeah he did he did have him a bit you know he I think that's also kind of where the shutting out came from you know his friends they try to get him to open up a bit and they oh did he he did open up a little bit to them when they had that scene and they were talking um but I think at the end of the day you know Joe didn't know how to fully open up he didn't know how to fully express his struggles um and I think that's also where the shame and the stigma comes in the Asian community. It's like you don't talk about your problems. Right? So when they were trying to get him to open up you know he did a little bit but he never fully quite accepted that help. You know he was he was kind of like he was still a little apprehensive and unfortunately because of that kind of fell back into it. And I think his you know I mean his friends are also kids you know they're also children and and they didn't know how to fully you know continue giving him that help even though they knew he needed it and they were trying they wanted to help him but I don't think they fully understanded it. And then Irene at the same time you know same exact case wanted to help him loved him so much so deeply so dearly wanted everything to protect him just did not know how to do it and eventually got to this place where she held so much shame that she started isolating themselves you know she cut off the therapist she said you know you're not helping us anymore we're leaving right it's getting worse and she did not recognize that you know these are people that we need to help Joe. You know we these are this is the community this is people we need to have around us but she was she was ashamed of it she was ashamed that these people were seeing their struggles she was ashamed that Joe was you know on the street she was ashamed that she felt like she was a bad mother for letting him do these things she felt like it was her fault and so you know she felt that therapy was somehow you know exposing her her flaws and and it it all just became this this horrible tragic event and and you know these people unfortunately they just they at that at some point they just didn't know what else to do and it just got worse and worse and you know that that's the ultimate tragedy I think that it could have been avoidable but because of the shame that we have in our societies you know the judgment that we have and the lack of awareness and lack of education you know a lot of times people in our community resort to isolation and resort to dealing with themselves even though they don't know and have don't have the resources to deal with something like this.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

One last question I had was how did you think about the medication piece? Because I the the few few people I know with um struggling with schizophrenia they are on antipsychotics which is like really effective but yet it's really hard to get them to take them right people don't like them and or they just forget you know it's hard to get people with um schizophrenia like to stay on their meds and there was you know there was a lot of showing Joe taking it and and the mother monitoring the that was an interesting piece too of like family members when you have someone with mental illness or addiction or something you're it's like this constant looking of like did they take their meds are they are going to treatment like kind of having to check up on them behind the scenes. How did you guys talk about like you know want to show the whole medication piece?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah I mean for me I think uh well first of all a lot of that came you know credit to Marilyn Fu, our incredible screenwriter you know she wrote a lot of that into the script um and so obviously she had her research and and she knew that I mean I I also knew this when I was researching that you know a lot of people with mental health they do not like the medication. They do not want to take the medication you know um for various reasons. You know a lot of so you know some of them they don't like the side effects they don't like that it dulls them they don't like that you know it makes them you know they feel like it it messes with their brain. If some of them I I remember I was watching this interview of this guy who was talking about his who had schizophrenia was talking about what it felt like when he was taking his medication and he he felt like it was making it worse. He was like he was like this isn't making me better you know this is you know when I'm on medication I I feel like I'm a shell you know I'm not even a real person anymore and he was like I don't take medication because I want to feel like myself and so it it yeah of course you know it because of that becomes a struggle you know it it becomes a struggle for them for the people around them for their the their caretakers you know for them to accept that medication and unfortunately you know I think for Joe it's it's a similar situation where you know he he goes into it you know he's given this medication and he does he you know it feels like it's I mean I think there's a scene where he literally types it out on his phone he's like it's dulling my senses you know and I think that kind of came from for well for me at least it came from you know what I learned you know these people they feel like this medication it's not helping them it's not even though you know it very much is it's not something that they need they're like you know this is this is this is erasing my myself this is erasing my identity and so they it's it's a such a battle and such a struggle for them to take it. And unfortunately that's another incredibly tragic aspect of schizophrenia and mental health is that you know we have to a lot of times you know really really i we have to get them to accept things that sometimes they don't want to accept um we have to tell them that you know hey this is helping you you know that's something that Joe didn't have he didn't have people who were explaining to him you know as he was going through these things like hey this medication is helping you what you're seeing is okay what you're seeing is normal you know what you're going through is just a part of it and this will help you to feel better and this will help you to live uh more normally and this will help you to become yourself you know it's not erasing yourself it's helping you become yourself and he just didn't understand that and so he fought it and of course you know Irene didn't understand it either and as a result you know she she kind of had her own struggle with it and and you know she tried to make him take it she you know she counted the pills and she did all that but in the end of the day it it just kind of became this really really tragic misunderstanding and I think that's something that happens with a lot of people with mental health and schizophrenia you know is that they don't understand what they're going through.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

Yeah yeah that's really that's really really well said and it's it's tough because it's like it's sometimes a choice for treatment. It's like you can have this treatment and get these benefits and side effects but then if you don't have it you have this and you have to choose but knowing that choice is important. And if you're scared about your family and the world and you're like I have to prepare myself but this medication dulls me I mean of course it you know it would be hard to take something like this. So um I actually have more one more question. Do you have a oh yeah no problem yeah I this is this is kind of a side question that just popped in my mind. I don't know much about this, but what do you think about the Rob Reiner family story? I mean like having Rosemead come out and then this very public story of family with schizophrenia like what are you guys talking about it?

SPEAKER_00:

What are you thinking when you hear this terrible tragedy has he been has Nick been formally diagnosed with schizophrenia? I I heard some rumors about I didn't I I didn't I I looked it up I and it wasn't it never confirmed for me.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

I mean I just this is one of those things where the internet is just flooded with stuff and I don't know what specific diagnosis he has, but I some people said addiction. Some people said Schizophrenia, but it's like a mental health issue.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

It's like, oh, that's ski that that makes it all scary again, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Like oh yeah, absolutely. You know, I think you know, for like again, like I said, every person is different, every scenario is different. I don't know what went on in in their family. Um I do know that he struggled with drug addiction. I know that his family tried to help him and he refused their help a lot of times and he relapsed a few times. Um and you know, I I can't speak too much about Nick himself. I can't speak too much about what his thought process was because I I don't know. I mean, I I'm reading the tabloids too. Um I'm sure there's more to it. I'm sure there's you know, I'm sure there were more catalysts and more reasons behind his actions and what ultimately led to him doing that. Um but you know, I I think this is what happens, you know, the tragedies like this one are not uncommon because a lot of times people who struggle with mental health they they either they don't understand what they're going through, they don't get the proper help, and then they refuse the help that comes after when people try to help them, they they refuse it, and as a result, it kind of becomes unchecked. And it gets worse through things like drugs, right? I I know Nick, you know, he fell into this habit of of drug use and and I'm sure that had a huge effect on what he went through and and why he ultimately chose to do what he did. You know, it it I mean this is all speculation. I don't want to speak too much about it. It's all speculation, you know. It could have been I mean, he could have had debts, he could have had, you know, whatever. It could have just been, you know, I I do want to encourage people though to you know have empathy when it comes to these cases. You know, because again, we don't understand, you know, it's really easy to judge, it's really easy to say, oh well, you know, he did this because of that, he did this because he's crazy, because he's schizophrenia, whatever, right? But you know, it's not it's not as simple, it's never as simple as that. It's never as simple, you know. When people read this article too, I mean with Rosemead, you know, the the article, you know, I don't know if you've seen it, it's very clickbaity. I'm not gonna spoil the ending, but it's very clickbaity. It kind of tells you exactly what the mother does. Um and when people read that article at first, they wrote her off. They said, Oh, well, she's the villain, you know, she's evil. She you know, did this act of you know, horrible, horrible, you know, like how can you justify that? There's no way to just like of course she's evil, you know. She she did that, and and so it became this this even more judgment, even more shame, and even more situation of oh my god, you know, this is what's happening, this is the way it is. But when the article came out, it shed this whole new light. You know, she's not just this monster who did this monstrous act, you know, she was a mother who loved her son. You know, there was so much more around it. There was so much more around these two people in a provided context. And I think you know, again, that's why we wanted to make this movie is because we don't want people to just stop at the headline, which might be what a lot of people are doing with the Nick Rainer case. You know, they're stopping at the headline, oh Nick Reiner kills his parents. Okay, well that's it. You know, that's the end of the story, right? He's crazy, he's evil, blah, blah, blah, we're finished. But, you know, I encourage people to be empathetic. You know, right now we don't have all the all the uh we don't have all the elements to the story, we don't know exactly what's going on, you know. And I I just encourage people to not necessarily write it off right away, you know, keep yourself open, you know, and know that these people need help. You know, these people are people that need help and can be helped. And ultimately that's how we avoid these tragedies, you know, because it's really easy to write them off, but when you write them off, that's how more of these tragedies happen, is when we write these people off. When we say, oh, this is how it has to be, this is how they are. You know, we need to learn to accept these people as human beings and learn that tragedies like this one are not unique and that they can be avoided. And it all starts with you know learning more of who they are, you know, being open to not just the headline, but also the entire story around it.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

That was so beautifully said. It's such a great takeaway of like what Rosemead was all about, which is with mental health and families, it doesn't look the same with everyone. We need community support, and understanding more about it and the complexities and the love behind it is a way to make sure that this doesn't all these tragedies don't happen more often. So really well said. Is there anything you want to tell the audiences how they could see it or anything else?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, absolutely. We um we open uh all over the US um this Friday, so this week on January 9th. We open in 15 major cities. So uh if you live in California or New York, um Chicago, Florida, uh there's a few other ones. You can check the Rosemead Instagram page uh at Rosemead Film um for all the details, and you can get tickets on Findango or uh wherever the uh theater distributor may be. Um, but yeah, I mean I hope you all, whoever may be watching, um, gets the chance to see this film. I think it's something that is really worth seeing. Um, and also, you know, I mean, if you just want to see great acting too, that's also a great reason to see it. I mean, Lucy absolutely kills it. You know, this is a feature debut for myself and for Eric, our director. So this is our first film, so we're really, really proud of it. We hope you get the chance to see it. And uh yeah, thank you so much.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

Thank you so much, Lawrence. This has been such an amazing conversation. I've been dying to talk to you after seeing the movie. For anyone who's interested in mental health or just want to see a good movie, go see Rosemead. Um, and where can they find you? Can is there um uh Instagram page or any any place where they could reach out to you or learn more about the movie or what?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, of course. You know, I am available. Um I don't have too many social media platforms. I mostly use Instagram, so if you want to follow me on Instagram, that would be, you know, that'd be great. Uh my name is Lawrence, L-A-W-R-E-N-C-E. Uh last name Shout S-H-O-U. You can just Google that or search it up, you'll see it. Um, and yeah, and as for the film, you know, we have our Rosemead Instagram page. You can uh we also, I mean, I think we Rosemead has socials all over, so you can find us on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, yeah, any any of that. If you want to learn more about the film uh or this story or um you know everything that goes around uh behind the scenes, you know, any of that, you can check us out. Um and yeah, I hope you guys get the chance to see the film this Friday.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

Definitely, definitely go see it. Thank you so much, Lawrence. And for little helpers, go see Rosemead and Theaters. Um, and we'll see you next week. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00:

Thank you so much. Thank you.

Dr. Kibby McMahon:

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