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Jackalope Carnival: A Sideshow of Stories
The Return of The Scary Clown!!
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Clowns were always terrifying- this isn't anything new.
What was children's room decorations or corporate mascots are the aberration, I tell you!!!
Join Bekah and Eric for hair raising stories about clowns that may scare you, or even a Liverpool ghost clown that might save your life!
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SPEAKER_03Hello, and welcome to Jackalope Carnival, a podcast where we look at human belief through myth, history, paranormal, and the downright odd. I'm Becca. And we'll be your host through this side show of stories. Eric, what was that?
SPEAKER_01That was my clown voice. Was it was it clowny?
SPEAKER_03It was it was foreshadowing, I believe, right?
SPEAKER_01It is. It is foreshadowing. And I'm wearing a red nose, a red rubber ball on my nose right now.
SPEAKER_03God, I hope you are. That's real fun. And big shoes?
SPEAKER_01Yes.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_03So we are talking about clowns today. It had to happen. This is our 51st episode. I mean, it was gonna happen sometime.
SPEAKER_01Do you know what I did a a little bit ago that was really fun with clowns? I went to go see Weird Al Yankovic again.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah. Yeah, with Puddles the Clown.
SPEAKER_01Yes, and it was so much fun. Puddles the Clown is so good at what he does, actually.
SPEAKER_03He's he's so unnerving. Indeed. Yeah, I saw him with Weird Owl, actually. Big surprise. Eric and I both listened to Weird Owl. Um our listeners are in shock right now. They can't go on. Yeah, so I just got done traveling up the east coast, and I went to Bangor, Maine, and I saw the International Museum of Cryptozoology, which did not have clowns, but it did have a painting of sexy Bigfoot, Lady Bigfoot, I should add. Sexy Lady Bigfoot. It was pretty amazing. And uh maybe we'll talk about it a little more in depth soon. But again, we're talking about clowns. Now, some of you travel, some of you may find yourselves in North Carolina. And if you come to North Carolina, there's lots of fun places to go. But one I wandered in on, it shocked me a little bit. Now, I went to, I'm not afraid of clowns. So Eric could dress up like a clown, it wouldn't scare me. I don't have very strong feelings about clowns, which is pretty unique, I think. I think people love them or hate them.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I no, I'm I'm 100% with you. I clowns are fine contextually. You know, I don't want to find one in my basement.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I don't want surprise clowns.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, no, that's that's and Eric, I got surprise clowns. Oh no.
SPEAKER_03Nobody wants a surprise clown.
SPEAKER_01Oh no, you don't want surprise clowns.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, if you come to North Carolina, I highly recommend people go to Kernersville, North Carolina. Kernersville has something really cool called Corners Folly. It's a late 1800s, it's a Gilded Age house. It was designed by this architect named Jewel Gilmer Corner. It was really cool. It has different, it used to be like an architectural sample, but then he and his wife moved in. So like everything is different. Everything is grand, but every room is very different. Neat. But we were there and we wanted to have something to eat, so someone recommended we go to DOS old-fashioned ice cream. Hot dogs and ice cream sounds great. No one told us that this restaurant is covered in clowns. No one told us that when you walk in, it I mean, you can look up TripAdvisor. So I found one honest person um on TripAdvisor, and I'm just gonna read you his review because I wish someone would have told me. It's from G307M, and he says, or she, or they, the dogs are good, the buns are toasted, the fries are crinkle cut and crisp, the portions are generous. There are many flavors of ice cream for dessert. Now, this sounds great, right? But this person only gave a three-star, and here's why they said then there are other clowns, lots of them, and then there are the clowns. I hate clowns. I seldom eat there because of the clowns.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_03Because this restaurant is covered in clown dolls, not just clown paintings. And there's clown dolls that are hanging from the ceiling, they're on the walls, they're everywhere. So, not just paintings, clown dolls. And you know, people also very much love dolls as well. And you can go on their Facebook page. I recommend DOS Old Old Fashion Ice Cream. And I thought, oh, maybe they've changed it because I'm not seeing any pictures of clowns. I'm like looking up, and like most of the reviews don't mention it, but oh, they're there. If you look, you'll see that there's clowns.
SPEAKER_01Surprise clowns.
SPEAKER_03So I I don't know if it's just that the locals are like, oh yeah, there's clowns, no biggie. But I've warned you be warned, there's a clown restaurant in Kernersville, North Carolina.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Well, I mean, that's fine. And again, now that I have the warning, I don't think I'm I'm so bothered by that.
SPEAKER_03You're not, but listen, like people have clown phobias, and I feel like if you have a clown restaurant, there should be a disclaimer.
SPEAKER_01Like a nut allergy. Like when you have a granola bar and it's a good thing. Right, right. Is that what that's called? I know you probably looked it up for this episode.
SPEAKER_03Well, I don't, I didn't I did look it up for sure, but I didn't look up how to pronounce it, so it could be it's a C-O-U-L-R-O phobia.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_03You know, and some people just don't like them, they don't have a fear. Case you're curious, Eric, because I was or audience, chulo is from the Greek word for one who goes on stilts.
SPEAKER_01Oh gosh.
SPEAKER_03I feel like there's a better name for this phobia, don't you?
SPEAKER_01Yes, and I did a little bit of historical digging as well, and stilts didn't pop up in my research.
SPEAKER_03Right. Well, because it's ancient Greek. So, like, where this is an old name, perhaps. I'm not sure. So, yeah, there's a whole page on the Cleveland Clinic about fear of clowns.
SPEAKER_04Oh gosh.
SPEAKER_03And then one reason that they gave is that makeup obscures faces. And I can get that because clowns are fine, but if it's people wearing like dinosaur outfits, no, thank you.
SPEAKER_01Okay, yeah. Like the mascot costumes, also I I don't care for them much. I'm not in love with it.
SPEAKER_03I'll like walk the other way to actively avoid it.
SPEAKER_01But anyway, are we gonna talk about insane clown passe at all today?
SPEAKER_03I wasn't, but I mean, hey, when it's your go, you go.
SPEAKER_01I wasn't planning on it either.
SPEAKER_03I but I mean I think you're right though to give them a shout out. It's only fair.
SPEAKER_01I mean, we just name dropped them. So it for all my juggalos out there, I hope you enjoy your moment.
SPEAKER_03Woo! Um, so they also said it could be the uncanny valley effect. Like it's kind of human, but not so I found, of course I did, I found a study on PubMed Central from 2023. And they said that they looked at over 900 participants in 64 countries. So that tells us this is not a Western phenomenon.
SPEAKER_01No, it's I'm gonna make an argument that it's an archetype because of course I am.
SPEAKER_03Well, I'm gonna talk about that too. So I'll need to do it. But um, you know, like uh stories like Stephen King's It don't help this whole Western phenomenon.
SPEAKER_01I got yeah, we got some Stephen King in here too. Let's go.
SPEAKER_03Well, and I was just in Maine, so I didn't want to hear anything about Stephen King while I'm in Maine. Also, I just want to point out that having been in Maine, I feel like I owe Stephen King a bit of an apology on his literature because I was like, this is also 50s. And then I went to small towns in Maine and I was like, oh my goodness, there are children wandering around by themselves on their bikes, going into stores. You just don't see that where I live. So it was like, okay, fine. I I believe this now.
SPEAKER_01The bard.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like Eric and I are going to talk about, we can talk about it now. Clowning's been around a long time, and it's found in cultures all over the world. In American folklore journal, I read an article about Lucille Hower Charles, and she tells us, you know, there were Chinese stage buffoons, ancient Egyptian clowns, medieval English clowns. And in my own area of study, it sometimes touches on clowning in North American Indigenous ceremonies. And I think that's a really good place to look at what we think of when we think of scary clowns. Because with North American Indigenous ceremonies, which are vastly different, but there are some similarities, especially when we look at geographic areas, it's not masks or makeup that's scary. It's the clowns. They're not meant to be funny, they're unpredictable. They are in this position where during the ceremony, they can act in ways that go against social behaviors and they can interact with you. And they're not always nice because this, and you probably are saying the same thing, Eric. This is a way to provide a safe, culturally appropriate outlet for you know, taboo, for fear, for greed, for disorder, all of those things. And that can be really scary. Also, you probably know the person under the mask, but you don't know who is who. That's somebody you may know acting in a way that they would not normally act. And that's also scary. I don't know. I think maybe underneath this red noses like Eric's wearing right now, and grease paint, like maybe that there's this primal fear, this much more frightening ancestral fear of clowns, of someone acting in a way that they don't normally act.
SPEAKER_01That's yeah, that's entirely true. I was looking at a book by Beatrice K. Otto. Did you run across her book, Fools Are Everywhere?
SPEAKER_03I did not.
SPEAKER_01Written in 2001 and updated in 2007. She does a really great job of cataloging jesters and clowns from different cultures and kind of drawing through lines through them. But what you're saying is exactly what I was finding too. So we're talking about tricksters, we're talking about jesters, we're talking about fools, we're talking about jokers. Even before the idea of the clown was you know an English word, there were people in cultures all over Asia, all over Europe, Africa, and the Americas who were fulfilling this, and I'm just gonna say it, an archetype, right? So, not to get all Jungian on you or anything, but Oh, you're getting all Yungian on. Like I do.
SPEAKER_03We knew you were gonna do it, Eric.
SPEAKER_01Like I do. Right. So the hard drive might come with some software installed, you know, that's what Jung said. Being the late 19th and early 20th century German man that he was, he knew all about that. But right, so the idea is that the reason why these ideas, these types of people, these concepts pop up over and over again, place after place, time after time, is because there's something integral to our our minds. That the idea of our psyche is not just something that we hold ourselves, that our brain does, but rather that there's sort of a collective consciousness. There's this consciousness that we share, and that inside that consciousness there are these different archetypes, these different types of things. And they pop up in various cultures, and of course they're different because the cultural context that they pop up in is different, but there certainly are similarities, and the trickster, the jester, the clown is an archetype.
SPEAKER_03I mean, it's almost like a much safer purge. Um, I've seen all the purge movies. I don't know why.
SPEAKER_01I've I've never seen a single one.
SPEAKER_03I've watched all of them.
SPEAKER_01Oh my goodness. Right. These are people that could they could flaunt and get it all out.
SPEAKER_03It's a time and a place where this is you're an acting, not your normal.
SPEAKER_01Right. They're flaunting social norms, they don't have to follow mores. And even when they're not doing something scary and dangerous, you know, acting a la the purge. Jesters, of course, are famous for being able to say whatever they want to say.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yep, because they're the jester. So it's interesting that you're bringing up this idea of jesters because the story that I found takes place in England. So I found a story in England, and the reason I'm just thinking of court jesters, and you know, the jester could talk to Henry VIII when nobody could. It's an article from 2019 from the Liverpool Echo. And, you know, not all scary clowns are evil, and not all clowns are alive. So the story in this article is about a helpful clown ghost. Scary, helpful clown ghost. And it is titled Sex Worker Saved from Northern Ripper by Ghost of Halloween clown. And it came out in October. It's by Tom Selman and Kate McCullen. And we will hear of Tom whenever ghost clowns are mentioned in Liverpool. Like almost all the articles sourcing source back to him.
SPEAKER_01I just want to say that that headline has everything.
SPEAKER_03Sex Worker Safe from Northern Ripper by Ghost of Halloween clown. Yeah. Go, Tom Selman, go, and Kate McCullen. Although I'm saying Tom because when I've like I said, when I've looked this up, I try to find the source, and every source kind of goes back to Tom. So make your own assumptions, but I love this story.
SPEAKER_01I just love the headline. I just I'm so impressed.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, the head, I mean, it's art at this point. The story takes place in 1988 on a dark night in Liverpool, where a woman of the evening, the sex worker that was mentioned in the title, whose name is Jane. Yeah, Jane. Maybe her last name's Doe. I don't know. But Jane, she was working near Catherine Street, so we're being very specific. And this man drives his car alongside her, and he says, Hey, baby, that's what I imagine. I'm gonna give you a lot of money and a fur coat. If you come with me, we can get it on, and I'm gonna give you all these things. And uh he said it just like that, except liver puddleing. And as she was thinking about it, because that's a lot of money and a lot of goods he's offering, and she would get off the street that night and and be done for the day. An odd four-foot-tall man comes out of nowhere. He's wearing a clown outfit, and he tells Jane, don't get in the car. And she then says, the man told her, The man in the car is a murderer. Don't go with him now. And then he disappears. So according to Jane, our source, she learns that several sex workers have been murdered in circumstances that lead people to believe that this unidentified killer, this Northern Ripper, was the same. Now, Northern Ripper may be referencing the Yorkshire Ripper, but the Yorkshire Ripper went to jail, was actually a person. He was caught before this. I think it was like 81 or 80 people who know serial killers know more than me. It wasn't him. There doesn't really seem to be any Northern Ripper, but you know, there's a lot of violence in the area. Maybe some listener who's like, yo, there was definitely a Northern Ripper. Your research skills are pants.
SPEAKER_01Maybe he was thwarted by the the clown ghost.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I would be. Like if I had uh, I was like, no, okay, we're done here.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I mean, how many times do you think he gave it a go before he's like, that stupid clown ghost again?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you yeah, okay, I'm done. So, you know, I mean, 80s, there were a lot of serial killers in the 80s.
SPEAKER_01There really were, but we're actually not going to talk about that a lot.
SPEAKER_03We're not, but this was this one in particular. So after the incident, Jane's, you know, sharing her this remarkable story, and she learns that other sex workers had been murdered in the area. Something I absolutely did not research. And she came to believe that the man.
SPEAKER_01You're not looking that up.
SPEAKER_03No, I believe him. I believe this story. All right. And she came to believe that the man, although like he's four feet tall, how does she know he's a man? Like, was it his voice? And if I could do a liver puddle in accent, I'd do it, but I cannot. She came to believe that this ghost clown had intervened to save her. And if you look up Liver Pudle and Ghost Clown online, you'll find Tom Selman, but you'll find the Philharmonic as well. So it's a pub that there's been sightings of a ghost clown yelling like, Hey, get out of here. Or just a ghost clown around there. And her story does seem to be connected to others because that's right. Others have seen this particular four-foot-tall ghost clown. One in particular involves a nurse at Liverpool Women's Hospital who encounters the figure. And Ghost Clown tells her that her aunt had died. And later she discovers that, yeah, her aunt did indeed die. So some people tell us that our clown maybe it's my favorite word, Eric, a harbinger. Harbinger. He can predict the bad things.
SPEAKER_01He seems like a general use like clown ghost.
SPEAKER_03He does, but there's other stories. So I found an article in Liverpool Bytes that tells us that the Philharmonic clown had been known to harass people at the bar. But I mean, maybe they were jerks or maybe they were drinking too much. We don't know.
SPEAKER_01Right. Does he do Uber on the weekends sometimes just for a little extra cash?
SPEAKER_03I don't know. Seems there's some folklore in Liverpool. And honestly, I haven't been able to find out exactly when this folklore comes out. But as you guessed it, when I start to find things I a little more about this clown, uh it leads back to our friend Tom. So it could be related to something that was said to be Liverpool folklore. Again, can't find it. That there was a clown that dies in the early 1900s. His name was Frederick Zazaby, and he was a Czechoslovakian clown who moved to Liverpool and then he sadly commits suicide. Or for you youngins, unalives himself. And they say when he shows up, he's got this long red nose and he smells of embalming fluid, and he has this terrible laugh. He haunts you from beyond the grave. So is this the same clown? Is Liverpool a hot spot for clown ghosts? I don't really know what to tell you. What do you think, Eric?
SPEAKER_01I think that Liverpool at night sounds a little scary, or at least unsettling, but at least you got clown ghost possibly on your side, which is not nothing.
SPEAKER_03No. But it turns out that the 80s was a really good time for clowns because I found another story that brings this back to America in a book called America's Myths Legends, and it's an encyclopedia of American folklore. And I liked this because it's about phantom clowns again. And it tells us in April of 81 that children were claiming that adults dressed as clowns were harassing them, approaching them, and trying to lure them into a van with candy. Never do that, children. And the police check it out, but nothing. And they report this to teachers, parents, you know, and the police said, no, there's no suspicious clowns in the vehicle. And this takes place in and around Boston, which I just returned from as well. So I think it's pretty funny. The most detailed was May 5th, 81. And it takes place in Brookline, and children report seeing two adults in colorful clothing with clown paint on their faces, and they try to kidnap them in a black van with broken headlights and no hubcaps. And then all around the Boston area, Cambridge, Somerville, I don't really know, they start to find this. And then later that year, oh, one report says the clown was not wearing pants, that it was surprising. But come on, is someone's trying to get you into a van if they're not wearing pants? Is that surprising?
SPEAKER_01I'm not making any jokes right now. I just want you to know that.
SPEAKER_03I'm just saying, I'm just saying, like, I mean, when I was a child, I was warned from vans. Were you specifically warned away from like getting into vans and strange people?
SPEAKER_01That's isn't that kind of like the Gen X just stereotype, right? Like we were we were brought up when the video it was because of this.
SPEAKER_03Maybe because it went on the road. These reports started coming out in Kansas City, Omaha, Pittsburgh, Denver. And so they named this killer clown. And the police are saying this is group hysteria. Like this isn't happening. Although Satanic Panic was taken seriously and kidnappers weren't. Come on now.
SPEAKER_01And this is the 1980s, also, you're saying? Yes. Hmm. Because I mean, we're probably going to talk a bit about the 21st century clown panic too, right?
SPEAKER_03Oh, yes, we are. And that's where this is leading. So yeah, absolutely. We know that in 2016 there's a clown panic. There's a Wikipedia page on it now.
SPEAKER_01I read it too.
SPEAKER_03I was laughing because I had no idea.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I was a school teacher in in that year, and I had to deal with kids coming to work. And, you know, they were there was a couple of my students who were just really into the whole clown hysteria. Yeah. They were looking but not looking for clowns because they were scared, but you know, not scared of clowns, that kind of thing.
SPEAKER_03They're just going around Baltimore looking for scary clowns.
SPEAKER_01Seems like a great idea, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it sounds great. Maybe in these abandoned buildings, children.
SPEAKER_01These are perfect life plan. They're actually knocking on white bands. Like, hey, you're certainly clowns in here.
SPEAKER_03Great idea.
SPEAKER_01Don't, kids, don't do this at home.
SPEAKER_03In 2016, that happens. And apparently the Wikipedia article tells us that it started in Green Bay, Wisconsin on August 1st, 2016. Having been alive and around while this is going on, I couldn't have told you that.
SPEAKER_01And I do remember one of the downstream effects of that, which is funny, not funny, was that people were on high alert. And of course, and inevitably, there were people who were dressing up as clowns specifically to scare their friends and neighbors.
SPEAKER_03And they were getting their tails kicked by people Yeah, and I'm actually surprised more didn't, because I'm gonna tell you, if scary clown jumped out of the woods behind me, I would do my best.
SPEAKER_01And then there was I didn't look this up, but there were some anecdotes of perfectly harmless birthday clowns getting assaulted. Oh yeah, like they were coming up from work, and like people were like, Oh my gosh, there's one of those clowns, you know, that kind of thing. And I do remember reading some articles, or maybe I don't, maybe not, maybe I'm um helping to feed into the I I totally one. Yeah, where a guy's coming up from work and he's look, I'm just trying to come home from work as a clown. What the heck, man?
SPEAKER_03No, it was like happy clown sad of scary clowns or something. It was ridiculous, but they were in they were interviewing clowns to get their hot take on the scary clown.
SPEAKER_01Ken, yeah, and part of that, I have to wonder, Becca. I have to wonder. So you remember how we were talking about the beginning of this whole thing about clowns as they're not supposed to be these user-friendly, kind of happy uh kids' birthday party things at their root, right? In the archetypal clown, whether you see it in ritual in Indigenous America, or the clown that can tell the truth to the king in medieval Europe, or the I have a couple of stories from Asia that are pretty awesome about the role of clowns there, but these are kind of serious, not serious, sometimes terrifying creatures, beings, people.
SPEAKER_03I mean, and if you're phobic, they're always terrifying creatures.
SPEAKER_01Well, that's well, in the 19, you know, in the 20th century, I'd say after World War II, clowns become for a little while just they become like children's toys, right? We we take the terror off of them. We stop making them scary, they stop telling the truth, they start becoming characters on kids' TV shows, they start becoming just friendly characters that pull harmless pranks, they start selling hamburgers, like they start becoming these harmless creatures, and it's almost like the archetypal clown was having none of that. And in the late 20th century to early 21st century, the clown found his edge again. He will he would not be tamed.
SPEAKER_03He went punk.
SPEAKER_01He would he would not be tamed, he would not be made just you know something to sell your wares with. You went from the Joker from the 1960s campy Batman TV show. You gotta love him. He's funny. But look at the Joker that we got in the 21st century. Something happened to clowns. They came, you know, the clown made it the made its comeback. The return of the clown. And we have something a little bit more edgy, a little bit more, shall I say, is this where you with TV?
SPEAKER_03Is this I'm sorry, is this where you insert insane clown posse? Because this seems like a good time.
SPEAKER_01I don't know enough about the lore, honestly, too. So if anybody out there is a what what are their names? Like Violent Jane?
SPEAKER_03It comes from fan. Like maybe you can't pretend like I don't know it's violent Jane.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay, good.
SPEAKER_03I don't know, Eric.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, what are their names? Hard to say. Uh yeah, it's so you know, I I and I have to blame Mr. King on perhaps the clown finding his ancient footing, right? Because it is written in the 1980s. We see in it I the book called IT It, the main monster, it's published in 1986, if you're wondering, would take the form of something called Pennywise the Clown. Yes, we do that seems to kick off. I I couldn't find anything else of the same level, uh kind of kicking off the horror clown genre. It seems like Stephen King's It is the you know the modern point zero by which all the horror clowns sense have come. And of course, now horror clowns are everywhere. If you do a quick search, you can find endless amounts of references and pictures of very terrifying clowns.
SPEAKER_02Yikes.
SPEAKER_03If you want so speaking of pictures of terrifying clowns, do you have a story for us about that?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I do, and I don't.
SPEAKER_03So I actually did a little Oh, that was a like disappointed sound.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well, that's because okay. I have watched, have you ever watched a TV show called The Mentalist? It's uh briefly, it's one of my favorites. The main conceit of the series is that this guy openly mocks a serial killer on his TV program, and terrible things happen. So I'm not gonna go down that route. I'm not going to openly mock a serial killer, but I'm also not gonna give him a platform because it seems that this particular serial killer, a very notorious one in the 20th century, also took up painting once he was caught and put in jail.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I've seen one in Wilmington, one of their paintings.
SPEAKER_01And that painting got sold and it became part of his lore. But when I actually did the reading, it turns out he never used a clown to in any of his actual murders. Uh that became part of his lore by his own crafting after he was caught and put in jail. And there were people who I guess collect serial killer memorabilia who bought his paintings of a clown.
SPEAKER_03Uh the one I saw wasn't a clown, but it was a painting.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he took a painting and he actually painted clowns. But if you actually look at the crimes that are recorded that he did, he just basically conned young men into taking rapids.
SPEAKER_03I I didn't think that there was any clown connection other than he was a clown.
SPEAKER_01And then that he had occasionally, I think that he might have worn a clown costume at one point.
SPEAKER_03Like I had never heard that one. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But it it became part of the lore.
SPEAKER_03And actually, I mean, you're you're right. If you're talking about scary clowns, you kind of have to mention we're doing a Voldemort situation artist. All right.
SPEAKER_01Um, because but I think the skin, and it it dovetailed into the rest of the clown scary clown lore, and what I'm calling the return of the scary clown in the late 20th century, early 21st century. Oh and I think the clowns have basically just found their footing again. They're not as safe as they're supposed to.
SPEAKER_02They're large shoe footing.
SPEAKER_01A really large red footing.
SPEAKER_03They got out of that car, all 26 of them, and they found their kick your ass. Yeah, how many were in that van, kids?
SPEAKER_04They just kept coming, coming, coming.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, they did. It's amazing the police didn't find them because I mean there were so many. Well, we crack ourselves up. Yeah, we also don't advertise. So if you are listening to us, you have actually done some searching because we tried. I will say this, I will end with this that we did try to advertise and we tried to do the social media, and it's just very much not us.
SPEAKER_01And it, you know, it word of mouth seems to be the way this works.
SPEAKER_03And yeah, because we do have listeners somehow.
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SPEAKER_00Yeah, what does it mean?