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So"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2031.239,"endTime":2036.489,"body":"I started hand dyeing my own."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2036.519,"endTime":2041.349,"body":"And that's mostly what I do now"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2036.519,"endTime":2041.349,"body":"is I hand dye them in the colour"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2041.349,"endTime":2045.939,"body":"palettes that I want to play"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2041.349,"endTime":2045.939,"body":"with. I do snow dye, I bury"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2045.939,"endTime":2050.499,"body":"fabric under snow, I put the"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2045.939,"endTime":2050.499,"body":"dyes on top of the snow and as"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2050.499,"endTime":2055.029,"body":"it melts, I get very unique"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2050.499,"endTime":2055.029,"body":"fabrics. 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So I had a pretty good"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2074.229,"endTime":2079.569,"body":"stash to begin with. So I pull"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2074.229,"endTime":2079.569,"body":"from that. But then one piece of"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2079.569,"endTime":2084.399,"body":"fabric will inspire me and then"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2079.569,"endTime":2084.399,"body":"maybe I'll dye a whole range of"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2084.729,"endTime":2089.619,"body":"fabrics to go with it. Which is"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2084.729,"endTime":2089.619,"body":"really what I've now learned"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2089.619,"endTime":2093.549,"body":"about painting I used to buy"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2089.619,"endTime":2093.549,"body":"colours of paint that I liked,"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2093.759,"endTime":2099.969,"body":"and use them out of the bottle"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2093.759,"endTime":2099.969,"body":"and now it's kind of like dying."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2099.999,"endTime":2104.289,"body":"fabric. 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And now when I"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2160.059,"endTime":2164.769,"body":"make dyes, then now I'm more"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2164.769,"endTime":2167.979,"body":"playful about mixing them, I"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2164.769,"endTime":2167.979,"body":"don't just go like Well, here's"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2167.979,"endTime":2170.799,"body":"a little bit of dye and have a"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2167.979,"endTime":2170.799,"body":"gradation, so they're all the"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2170.799,"endTime":2175.089,"body":"same colour in different shades."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2170.799,"endTime":2175.089,"body":"Now it's like, well, if I take"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2175.089,"endTime":2178.989,"body":"these two colours, and I mix"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2175.089,"endTime":2178.989,"body":"them in different proportions,"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2178.989,"endTime":2182.799,"body":"all of a sudden, the nice thing"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2178.989,"endTime":2182.799,"body":"you get is the perfect grey."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2183.639,"endTime":2187.539,"body":"Then when you put that grey in"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2183.639,"endTime":2187.539,"body":"with those, there's some of that"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2187.539,"endTime":2193.479,"body":"dye in each of the pure colours,"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":2187.539,"endTime":2193.479,"body":"I guess. 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