{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":8.44,"endTime":11.438,"body":"I was looking for something. You know, people kept asking me, like, what are"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":11.454,"endTime":14.446,"body":"you running from? My answer was always, I'm"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":14.478,"endTime":16.61,"body":"running to. I'm not running from,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":17.23,"endTime":20.102,"body":"what is this life about? You know, when my mother died, it was."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":20.246,"endTime":23.214,"body":"It was a very dark period for me,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":23.342,"endTime":26.21,"body":"and it was pulling me in, into the darkness."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":26.53,"endTime":29.47,"body":"I didn't know she was so ill. 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The point of life is to find that"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":50.01,"endTime":52.61,"body":"meaning and to serve"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":52.65,"endTime":55.426,"body":"others and to bring your"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":55.498,"endTime":57.87,"body":"gifts, these divine gifts, forward."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Clare","startTime":58.83,"endTime":61.678,"body":"Hi, I'm Clare, founder of creativity"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Clare","startTime":61.734,"endTime":64.406,"body":"found a community for creative learners and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Clare","startTime":64.438,"endTime":67.39,"body":"educators, connecting adults who want to find"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Clare","startTime":67.43,"endTime":70.366,"body":"a creative outlet with the artists and crafters"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Clare","startTime":70.398,"endTime":72.822,"body":"who can help them do so with workshops,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Clare","startTime":72.886,"endTime":75.558,"body":"courses, online events, and kits."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Clare","startTime":75.694,"endTime":78.446,"body":"For this podcast, I chat with people who have"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Clare","startTime":78.478,"endTime":81.46,"body":"found or refound their creativity as, uh,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Clare","startTime":81.462,"endTime":84.11,"body":"adults. 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And you go,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1072.198,"endTime":1073.89,"body":"okay, I'm on the right path here."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1074.35,"endTime":1077.236,"body":"And having a done all your travelling and all"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1077.268,"endTime":1080.04,"body":"your odd jobs, so to speak."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1080.74,"endTime":1083.284,"body":"What do you then do when you settle"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1083.412,"endTime":1085.932,"body":"and uh, you probably need to get a proper"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1085.996,"endTime":1088.94,"body":"job and then to be able to"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1088.98,"endTime":1091.796,"body":"write as well, to give you the time to write as well. 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I have to make"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1175.296,"endTime":1177.944,"body":"more money than this. It was the most money I'd ever"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1177.992,"endTime":1180.708,"body":"made. They gave me a car. They gave me benefits, all this"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1180.724,"endTime":1183.54,"body":"stuff. And that's wonderful. And it was very"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1183.58,"endTime":1186.316,"body":"helpful. I'm actually leaving the industry"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1186.428,"endTime":1189.036,"body":"in the next few weeks. Don't tell my"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1189.068,"endTime":1191.788,"body":"boss. It's a different company I work for now, but"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1191.884,"endTime":1194.812,"body":"which is cushy. 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And how does writing help you"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1320.452,"endTime":1321.524,"body":"help others?"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1321.692,"endTime":1324.692,"body":"You know, I think part of the impetus for"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1324.716,"endTime":1327.412,"body":"me in writing is, yes, to"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1327.436,"endTime":1330.42,"body":"reveal things, to pull back the, um, curtain."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1330.46,"endTime":1333.276,"body":"But I think much"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1333.308,"endTime":1336.268,"body":"of what my writing is, is about"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1336.444,"endTime":1338.886,"body":"the voiceless. 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You feel stuck"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1470.642,"endTime":1473.514,"body":"and stilted and frustrated because"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1473.602,"endTime":1476.502,"body":"you're not flowing. And so I just feel like,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1476.526,"endTime":1478.93,"body":"you know, it's so important that we honour this"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1479.23,"endTime":1481.97,"body":"piece of ourselves. This is the greatest gift"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1482.27,"endTime":1484.95,"body":"we could bring forward. So whatever that is,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1485.07,"endTime":1487.83,"body":"for me, it's bringing what I bring forward, and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1487.95,"endTime":1490.838,"body":"for you, it's bringing what you bring forward. And this"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1490.854,"endTime":1492.61,"body":"is where strangers become friends."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1493.23,"endTime":1494.334,"body":"Absolutely."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1494.462,"endTime":1497.054,"body":"So tell me about kind of"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1497.182,"endTime":1500.086,"body":"how you do that in respect of your style"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1500.118,"endTime":1503.006,"body":"of writing and the content that you write. Because you've mentioned"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1503.038,"endTime":1505.99,"body":"at the very beginning a number of different, uh, styles"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1506.07,"endTime":1508.634,"body":"and types of writing. 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It's based in"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1528.778,"endTime":1531.418,"body":"justice. It's based in concern for"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1531.474,"endTime":1534.26,"body":"people. That is probably"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1534.34,"endTime":1537.316,"body":"what drives me. Behind all things is"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1537.348,"endTime":1540.308,"body":"a justice of some sort. But, you"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1540.324,"endTime":1543.044,"body":"know, writing is craft. I mean,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1543.132,"endTime":1545.908,"body":"it's craft. And it's like, okay, what am I trying to say"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1546.004,"endTime":1548.956,"body":"in this scene? What is the point of this scene? 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He's suffering"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1569.47,"endTime":1572.01,"body":"loneliness. Even though he's with"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1572.83,"endTime":1575.494,"body":"this younger character. He's"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1575.542,"endTime":1578.206,"body":"suffering because he longs for the"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1578.238,"endTime":1581.206,"body":"family that was lost when the"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1581.238,"endTime":1584.07,"body":"planet they were on was killed, uh,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1584.07,"endTime":1586.6,"body":"or the people around him. He longs"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1586.64,"endTime":1589.472,"body":"for this recent woman"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1589.536,"endTime":1592.14,"body":"who he met. 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I'm not"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1629.914,"endTime":1632.554,"body":"sure if I've answered your question exactly, but, you know,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1632.602,"endTime":1634.95,"body":"stories are often just come from"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1636.14,"endTime":1638.92,"body":"where, like, wouldn't it be interesting if."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1639.58,"endTime":1642.108,"body":"But you know, there's so much within"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1642.204,"endTime":1644.844,"body":"us that wants to come"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1644.892,"endTime":1647.204,"body":"out and it's not the conscious"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1647.292,"endTime":1650.148,"body":"brain, it's sort of the subconscious"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1650.204,"endTime":1653.132,"body":"where we store everything and that's"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1653.156,"endTime":1656.004,"body":"where all those emotions are and those things we're connected to and those,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1656.092,"endTime":1658.8,"body":"the things that were, that are so much broader"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1659.26,"endTime":1660.88,"body":"than the conscious mind."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1661.71,"endTime":1664.566,"body":"No, I do completely understand. 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Do you get those"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1688.838,"endTime":1691.446,"body":"kind of emotions and moods when"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1691.478,"endTime":1693.45,"body":"you're in this work?"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1693.95,"endTime":1696.29,"body":"Yeah, it affects me deeply"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1697.03,"endTime":1699.05,"body":"because it's a mirror. Typically."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1700.23,"endTime":1702.334,"body":"I feel like if you're writing it well, if you're writing"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1702.382,"endTime":1704.77,"body":"evocative material,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1705.31,"endTime":1706.85,"body":"emotional material,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1707.95,"endTime":1710.838,"body":"then yes, when I read my own stuff, it'll choke"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1710.854,"endTime":1713.814,"body":"me off. Oh, it's not about you. Well,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1713.862,"endTime":1716.43,"body":"it is, obviously. It's about everyone who has"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1716.47,"endTime":1718.95,"body":"experienced that feeling, that"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1718.99,"endTime":1721.41,"body":"emotion, and then the opposite."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1722.51,"endTime":1725.286,"body":"When they get their chance in the light"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1725.358,"endTime":1728.222,"body":"or in the sun, and they get their chance"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1728.286,"endTime":1729.76,"body":"of redemption, uh,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1732.07,"endTime":1734.934,"body":"and they get their chance of being seen and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1734.982,"endTime":1737.742,"body":"honoured, that equally affects"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1737.766,"endTime":1740.29,"body":"me because that's also a part of me."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1741.43,"endTime":1744.352,"body":"I never had that. So,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1744.416,"endTime":1747.25,"body":"yes, it will affect me. Um, very much. Yeah."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1747.25,"endTime":1750.152,"body":"Ah, yeah, yeah. Brilliant. I thought"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1750.176,"endTime":1750.98,"body":"it's much."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1751.4,"endTime":1754.208,"body":"Tell me, um, other than leaving your"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1754.224,"endTime":1757.048,"body":"job, what then are you thinking"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1757.104,"endTime":1759.952,"body":"aspirationally in the future, near or far?"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1760.096,"endTime":1762.776,"body":"So, um, partly I'm leaving. 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Jennifer"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1774.552,"endTime":1777.52,"body":"Dawncoaching.com it's actually, my"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1777.56,"endTime":1780.416,"body":"wife is a business coach, but also is doing this because"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1780.448,"endTime":1783.248,"body":"she's a writer as well, has a new book out herself, a"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1783.264,"endTime":1785.8,"body":"nonfiction book about business. And when you kind of"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1785.84,"endTime":1788.664,"body":"lose sight of why you're even"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1788.712,"endTime":1791.552,"body":"in it, you know, kind of when you lose the joy in for your"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1791.576,"endTime":1794.48,"body":"business and, uh, refinding it. 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They control, they dictate."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1839.464,"endTime":1841.98,"body":"And so I just feel like I'm going to be"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1842.72,"endTime":1845.536,"body":"doubling down, if you will, on"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1845.568,"endTime":1848.002,"body":"myself, because all the other"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1848.066,"endTime":1850.27,"body":"stuff is a lie."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1850.89,"endTime":1851.99,"body":"Crikey."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1855.81,"endTime":1858.586,"body":"Yes. That's, um, that's a lot to be"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1858.618,"endTime":1859.91,"body":"thinking about there"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1861.73,"endTime":1864.43,"body":"for someone who hasn't thought about it that way before."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1866.57,"endTime":1869.378,"body":"Um, how can people connect with you directly?"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1869.434,"endTime":1871.19,"body":"Find your books, etcetera."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1871.98,"endTime":1874.78,"body":"Uh, yeah, like I said, you can find me on Amazon or Barnes, uh,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1875.068,"endTime":1877.96,"body":"and noble or kobo or wherever. And then, uh,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1877.96,"endTime":1880.7,"body":"my podcast is called the Douglas Robbins show, and it really just"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1880.78,"endTime":1883.59,"body":"tackles a lot of these, these things. Mental health, uh,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1883.59,"endTime":1886.58,"body":"as well, how we're living, writing, and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1886.74,"endTime":1889.316,"body":"everything under the sun. And then, yeah, you can find"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1889.348,"endTime":1892.196,"body":"me@douglasrobbinsauthor.com. dot if you go to my website,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1892.268,"endTime":1895.212,"body":"you could fill out the little form with the email, and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1895.236,"endTime":1898.12,"body":"you get a book. Uh, you get a story called Barbecue dinner, which,"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1898.12,"endTime":1901.068,"body":"um, is such a touching story"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1901.124,"endTime":1903.912,"body":"to me. Kind of love and redemption and"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1903.976,"endTime":1906.888,"body":"unconditional love. So I"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1906.904,"endTime":1907.976,"body":"will leave it at that."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1908.128,"endTime":1910.992,"body":"Oh, brilliant. Thank you so much"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1911.016,"endTime":1913.88,"body":"for speaking with me today, Douglas. I've thoroughly enjoyed"},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1913.92,"endTime":1914.384,"body":"it."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1914.512,"endTime":1916.44,"body":"This has been a pleasure being with you."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Douglas Robbins","startTime":1916.6,"endTime":1917.58,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"\u003e\u003e Clare","startTime":1918.84,"endTime":1921.792,"body":"Thanks so much for listening to creativity found. 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