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And then you come in"},{"startTime":1541.122,"endTime":1544.778,"body":"the studio to actually take the classes."},{"startTime":1544.874,"endTime":1549.498,"body":"There are glass art studios"},{"startTime":1544.874,"endTime":1549.498,"body":"around the world with fantastic instructors"},{"startTime":1549.674,"endTime":1553.008,"body":"and I highly recommend that"},{"startTime":1549.674,"endTime":1553.008,"body":"you check it out with any of them."},{"startTime":1553.114,"endTime":1555.12,"body":"And I'm on YouTube as well."},{"startTime":1555.66,"endTime":1559.892,"body":"Fantastic. Thank you so much."},{"startTime":1555.66,"endTime":1559.892,"body":"That was so much fun."},{"startTime":1560.076,"endTime":1562.948,"body":"Thank you so much. I am so"},{"startTime":1560.076,"endTime":1562.948,"body":"excited to share. If you couldn't"},{"startTime":1562.964,"endTime":1563.52,"body":"tell."},{"startTime":1565.18,"endTime":1571.444,"body":"Thank you. 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