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When I didn't have a lot"},{"startTime":1059.196,"endTime":1063.06,"body":"of confidence I really held"},{"startTime":1059.196,"endTime":1063.06,"body":"myself back so I wouldn't try new"},{"startTime":1063.1,"endTime":1065.812,"body":"things because I would be"},{"startTime":1063.1,"endTime":1065.812,"body":"scared to fail or I was worried about"},{"startTime":1065.836,"endTime":1068.772,"body":"what the people might think."},{"startTime":1065.836,"endTime":1068.772,"body":"Whereas now it's given me so much"},{"startTime":1068.796,"endTime":1072.1,"body":"more freedom to say yes and"},{"startTime":1068.796,"endTime":1072.1,"body":"try lots of different things and"},{"startTime":1072.14,"endTime":1075.676,"body":"experiment more in life and"},{"startTime":1072.14,"endTime":1075.676,"body":"just have a lot more fun. My lack"},{"startTime":1075.708,"endTime":1079.74,"body":"of confidence really held me"},{"startTime":1075.708,"endTime":1079.74,"body":"back in my 20s and 30s. So now I,"},{"startTime":1079.78,"endTime":1082.972,"body":"I, I love trying new things"},{"startTime":1079.78,"endTime":1082.972,"body":"and I love having, you know, having"},{"startTime":1082.996,"endTime":1085.708,"body":"a go at something even if it's"},{"startTime":1082.996,"endTime":1085.708,"body":"something I'm never going to do again."},{"startTime":1085.844,"endTime":1089.74,"body":"I'll try it once. But yeah, I"},{"startTime":1085.844,"endTime":1089.74,"body":"think it's just opened up more, more"},{"startTime":1089.78,"endTime":1092.396,"body":"opportunities and given me a"},{"startTime":1089.78,"endTime":1092.396,"body":"bit more freedom."},{"startTime":1092.588,"endTime":1095.132,"body":"Yeah. And what about the"},{"startTime":1092.588,"endTime":1095.132,"body":"travelling as well?"},{"startTime":1095.236,"endTime":1097.452,"body":"It's not as glamorous as"},{"startTime":1095.236,"endTime":1097.452,"body":"everyone might think. You know, I"},{"startTime":1097.476,"endTime":1099.74,"body":"mean, I've just been, I've"},{"startTime":1097.476,"endTime":1099.74,"body":"just did a job in Greece for three"},{"startTime":1099.78,"endTime":1102.62,"body":"days, but it was a one day"},{"startTime":1099.78,"endTime":1102.62,"body":"shoot. So you travel there during"},{"startTime":1102.66,"endTime":1106.552,"body":"the day, you get there, do a"},{"startTime":1102.66,"endTime":1106.552,"body":"fitting, work all day, the next day"},{"startTime":1106.576,"endTime":1109.112,"body":"is a long day and then you're"},{"startTime":1106.576,"endTime":1109.112,"body":"literally back on the 6:00 in the"},{"startTime":1109.136,"endTime":1112.552,"body":"morning flight. But just"},{"startTime":1109.136,"endTime":1112.552,"body":"travelling on my own, for instance,"},{"startTime":1112.616,"endTime":1115.96,"body":"you know, I hadn't really done"},{"startTime":1112.616,"endTime":1115.96,"body":"that in my 20s and 30s, so just getting"},{"startTime":1116.0,"endTime":1119.208,"body":"used to travelling on my own"},{"startTime":1116.0,"endTime":1119.208,"body":"has really built my confidence. And"},{"startTime":1119.264,"endTime":1121.704,"body":"every time I come away from a"},{"startTime":1119.264,"endTime":1121.704,"body":"job like that, I think, well, you"},{"startTime":1121.712,"endTime":1124.568,"body":"know, Rachel, you've just done"},{"startTime":1121.712,"endTime":1124.568,"body":"that. Brilliant, well done, you know,"},{"startTime":1124.704,"endTime":1128.392,"body":"and I still get anxious about"},{"startTime":1124.704,"endTime":1128.392,"body":"it. I still have wobbles, but I do"},{"startTime":1128.416,"endTime":1131.064,"body":"it and then I know that I've,"},{"startTime":1128.416,"endTime":1131.064,"body":"you know, I know it's going to be"},{"startTime":1131.072,"endTime":1133.996,"body":"all right and I get on with"},{"startTime":1131.072,"endTime":1133.996,"body":"it. But I think it's just embracing"},{"startTime":1134.028,"endTime":1136.652,"body":"those fears and trying to turn"},{"startTime":1134.028,"endTime":1136.652,"body":"them into excitement rather than"},{"startTime":1136.676,"endTime":1138.36,"body":"just letting it terrify me."},{"startTime":1138.82,"endTime":1144.476,"body":"Yeah, perfect. You mentioned"},{"startTime":1138.82,"endTime":1144.476,"body":"at the beginning about content creation."},{"startTime":1144.588,"endTime":1145.02,"body":"Yes."},{"startTime":1145.1,"endTime":1148.732,"body":"What are you doing there for"},{"startTime":1145.1,"endTime":1148.732,"body":"social media?"},{"startTime":1148.836,"endTime":1152.604,"body":"I've got a lot of followers so"},{"startTime":1148.836,"endTime":1152.604,"body":"I do a lot of social media content."},{"startTime":1152.692,"endTime":1156.924,"body":"So I make reels and videos."},{"startTime":1152.692,"endTime":1156.924,"body":"It's down to me to make it interesting,"},{"startTime":1156.972,"endTime":1160.444,"body":"to make it fun, to be able to"},{"startTime":1156.972,"endTime":1160.444,"body":"reflect my own personality, put my"},{"startTime":1160.452,"endTime":1163.708,"body":"own stamp on it. And so it's"},{"startTime":1160.452,"endTime":1163.708,"body":"basically like learning how to make"},{"startTime":1163.764,"endTime":1167.148,"body":"mini films. I love that. And"},{"startTime":1163.764,"endTime":1167.148,"body":"I'm improving all the time and I've"},{"startTime":1167.164,"endTime":1170.508,"body":"got so much, so much to learn"},{"startTime":1167.164,"endTime":1170.508,"body":"because it's, you know, it's an ever"},{"startTime":1170.564,"endTime":1175.292,"body":"changing arena, but it's good"},{"startTime":1170.564,"endTime":1175.292,"body":"fun and that's what I spend a lot"},{"startTime":1175.316,"endTime":1178.86,"body":"of my time doing now is the"},{"startTime":1175.316,"endTime":1178.86,"body":"content creation side. And people"},{"startTime":1178.9,"endTime":1182.94,"body":"might look at a reels that"},{"startTime":1178.9,"endTime":1182.94,"body":"last 30 seconds and not realize that"},{"startTime":1182.98,"endTime":1185.98,"body":"actually that's taken somebody"},{"startTime":1182.98,"endTime":1185.98,"body":"quite a long time to do that job"},{"startTime":1186.02,"endTime":1189.582,"body":"properly. It takes a lot more"},{"startTime":1186.02,"endTime":1189.582,"body":"time than you think, especially when"},{"startTime":1189.606,"endTime":1191.422,"body":"you don't know what you're"},{"startTime":1189.606,"endTime":1191.422,"body":"doing because you have to learn it"},{"startTime":1191.446,"endTime":1194.81,"body":"all. But it's, yeah, I am"},{"startTime":1191.446,"endTime":1194.81,"body":"enjoying that whole process."},{"startTime":1195.19,"endTime":1199.246,"body":"And what about plans for the"},{"startTime":1195.19,"endTime":1199.246,"body":"future? Do you have any thoughts"},{"startTime":1199.278,"endTime":1200.09,"body":"on that?"},{"startTime":1200.47,"endTime":1205.87,"body":"Yeah, I've, I've just started"},{"startTime":1200.47,"endTime":1205.87,"body":"writing a book about body confidence,"},{"startTime":1206.03,"endTime":1209.342,"body":"but I, I'm kind of in the"},{"startTime":1206.03,"endTime":1209.342,"body":"middle of the menopause, so I'm not"},{"startTime":1209.366,"endTime":1213.854,"body":"gonna lie, my, my multitasking"},{"startTime":1209.366,"endTime":1213.854,"body":"skills and my motivations really"},{"startTime":1213.942,"endTime":1217.232,"body":"not as, as regular as it"},{"startTime":1213.942,"endTime":1217.232,"body":"should be. So, so it's going to take"},{"startTime":1217.256,"endTime":1220.416,"body":"me longer than I, than I first"},{"startTime":1217.256,"endTime":1220.416,"body":"thought it would do but I'm halfway"},{"startTime":1220.448,"endTime":1224.048,"body":"through it and I'm enjoying"},{"startTime":1220.448,"endTime":1224.048,"body":"the process and yeah, more modelling"},{"startTime":1224.064,"endTime":1226.8,"body":"work. I have some exciting"},{"startTime":1224.064,"endTime":1226.8,"body":"plans with that that I can't talk"},{"startTime":1226.84,"endTime":1227.42,"body":"about."},{"startTime":1227.8,"endTime":1229.36,"body":"How can people connect with you?"},{"startTime":1229.4,"endTime":1234.128,"body":"Rachel the best places to find"},{"startTime":1229.4,"endTime":1234.128,"body":"me on Instagram @rachelperu1. That's"},{"startTime":1234.144,"endTime":1239.488,"body":"where I'm mostly on. I'm also"},{"startTime":1234.144,"endTime":1239.488,"body":"on TikTok, @rachelperu1 and @Libertefreetobe"},{"startTime":1239.544,"endTime":1240.46,"body":"on Facebook."},{"startTime":1240.92,"endTime":1243.562,"body":"Thank you so much much. It's"},{"startTime":1240.92,"endTime":1243.562,"body":"been such a fun chat."},{"startTime":1243.706,"endTime":1245.87,"body":"No it's been pleasure. Thank"},{"startTime":1243.706,"endTime":1245.87,"body":"you Claire."},{"startTime":1246.77,"endTime":1250.746,"body":"I hope you enjoyed this"},{"startTime":1246.77,"endTime":1250.746,"body":"episode. If you did, perhaps you'd"},{"startTime":1250.778,"endTime":1258.026,"body":"like to financially contribute"},{"startTime":1250.778,"endTime":1258.026,"body":"to Future episodes at buymeacoffee.com/CreativityFound"},{"startTime":1258.138,"endTime":1261.482,"body":"There's a link in the show"},{"startTime":1258.138,"endTime":1261.482,"body":"Notes. If you are listening on a"},{"startTime":1261.506,"endTime":1266.554,"body":"Value for Value enabled app"},{"startTime":1261.506,"endTime":1266.554,"body":"such as Fountain TrueFans or Podcast"},{"startTime":1266.602,"endTime":1271.556,"body":"Guru, feel free to send a few"},{"startTime":1266.602,"endTime":1271.556,"body":"sats my way. And if you have no idea"},{"startTime":1271.588,"endTime":1275.092,"body":"of what I'm talking about, you"},{"startTime":1271.588,"endTime":1275.092,"body":"can find out more by listening to"},{"startTime":1275.116,"endTime":1279.3,"body":"my sister podcast called"},{"startTime":1275.116,"endTime":1279.3,"body":"Podcasting 2.0 In Practice."}]}