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And I have just done a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1428.59,"endTime":1434.47,"body":"Facebook page Karen joy artist"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1436.3,"endTime":1438.97,"body":"purely for the art so they don't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1436.3,"endTime":1438.97,"body":"have to scroll through my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1438.97,"endTime":1444.97,"body":"grandchildren. But I also do"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1438.97,"endTime":1444.97,"body":"have a website. Karen Joy"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1446.41,"endTime":1451.63,"body":"art.weebly.com. I have a website"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1446.41,"endTime":1451.63,"body":"yet I'm not really doing it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1451.63,"endTime":1455.02,"body":"properly. So I know but you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1451.63,"endTime":1455.02,"body":"would you would have initially"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1455.02,"endTime":1459.4,"body":"have had a season of Brill and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1455.02,"endTime":1459.4,"body":"odd Artweeks and Yes, exactly."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1459.4,"endTime":1462.07,"body":"All the other stuff where"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1459.4,"endTime":1462.07,"body":"everyone and normally I have to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1462.07,"endTime":1470.08,"body":"say I normally I sell reasonably"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1462.07,"endTime":1470.08,"body":"well at these live shows. So I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1470.08,"endTime":1474.28,"body":"haven't felt I've needed a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1470.08,"endTime":1474.28,"body":"website. Because although I've"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1474.28,"endTime":1476.59,"body":"got plenty of paintings."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1478.37,"endTime":1480.02,"body":"There are usually places to hang"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1478.37,"endTime":1480.02,"body":"them"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1480.14,"endTime":1484.79,"body":"and show them. Yes, yes. So you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1480.14,"endTime":1484.79,"body":"know, I've got I'm gonna have to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1485.87,"endTime":1486.8,"body":"move with the time."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1490.43,"endTime":1493.58,"body":"That's fabulous. Karen, thank"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1490.43,"endTime":1493.58,"body":"you very much for talking to me."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1495.83,"endTime":1507.2,"body":"Thank you very much for my therapy."}]}