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How can people"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1814.81,"endTime":1816.49,"body":"connect with or contact you?"},{"speaker":"Philippa James","startTime":1817.2,"endTime":1822.15,"body":"So Instagram is"},{"speaker":"Philippa James","startTime":1817.2,"endTime":1822.15,"body":"@PhilippaJames, and my website"},{"speaker":"Philippa James","startTime":1822.48,"endTime":1827.25,"body":"is well, I've got two websites."},{"speaker":"Philippa James","startTime":1822.48,"endTime":1827.25,"body":"The art website is"},{"speaker":"Philippa James","startTime":1827.25,"endTime":1832.26,"body":"PhilippaJamesphotography.com/art,"},{"speaker":"Philippa James","startTime":1827.25,"endTime":1832.26,"body":"which is where you can see kind"},{"speaker":"Philippa James","startTime":1832.26,"endTime":1837.09,"body":"of my new more personal work, I"},{"speaker":"Philippa James","startTime":1832.26,"endTime":1837.09,"body":"guess, which is up and coming."},{"speaker":"Philippa James","startTime":1837.15,"endTime":1838.83,"body":"And then obviously my weddings"},{"speaker":"Philippa James","startTime":1837.15,"endTime":1838.83,"body":"is just"},{"speaker":"Philippa James","startTime":1838.83,"endTime":1839.22,"body":"PhilippaJamesPhotography.com"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1842.58,"endTime":1846.84,"body":"brilliant."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1842.58,"endTime":1846.84,"body":"Yeah, no, that's it. 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