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You know, those I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2475.209,"endTime":2479.889,"body":"think are quite significant"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2475.209,"endTime":2479.889,"body":"goals for me for the future."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2481.27,"endTime":2484.57,"body":"peppered with a really keen and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2481.27,"endTime":2484.57,"body":"I am personally really keen to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2484.57,"endTime":2487.81,"body":"collaborate in whatever way I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2484.57,"endTime":2487.81,"body":"can and pretty much anything"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2487.81,"endTime":2489.34,"body":"artistic to be honest with you."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2490.57,"endTime":2493.9,"body":"It I think it comes from that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2490.57,"endTime":2493.9,"body":"whole ethos of not having any"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2493.9,"endTime":2498.7,"body":"boundaries and not in a bad way,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2493.9,"endTime":2498.7,"body":"just creatively. 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And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2516.52,"endTime":2520.21,"body":"you could email me personally,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2520.21,"endTime":2523.63,"body":"I'm Tara at peppered wit.co.uk"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2525.07,"endTime":2529.15,"body":"Thanks so much, Tara. I've loved"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2525.07,"endTime":2529.15,"body":"hearing your story and your"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2529.15,"endTime":2533.89,"body":"plans. And that's been really"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2529.15,"endTime":2533.89,"body":"joyful and enlightening. So"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2533.89,"endTime":2537.49,"body":"thank you ever so much. Oh,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2533.89,"endTime":2537.49,"body":"Claire, thank you so much for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2537.49,"endTime":2540.52,"body":"having me. It's been an absolute"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2537.49,"endTime":2540.52,"body":"pleasure to talk to you and I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2540.52,"endTime":2543.31,"body":"hope we get to do it again."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":2540.52,"endTime":2543.31,"body":"You're welcome."}]}