{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":55.83,"endTime":71.58,"body":"For this"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":55.83,"endTime":71.58,"body":"episode, I'm speaking with Jane"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":71.58,"endTime":76.38,"body":"Bane art, Jane has made a return"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":71.58,"endTime":76.38,"body":"to art herself, but also helps"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":76.41,"endTime":80.37,"body":"other grownups discover or"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":76.41,"endTime":80.37,"body":"rediscover ways to express"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":80.37,"endTime":82.29,"body":"themselves through art."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":83.67,"endTime":84.54,"body":"i, j,"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":85.95,"endTime":91.26,"body":"that's perfectly, you're"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":85.95,"endTime":91.26,"body":"welcome. Your Passion is for art"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":91.26,"endTime":95.4,"body":"from the inside with your own"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":91.26,"endTime":95.4,"body":"art. And by helping other adults"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":95.43,"endTime":98.07,"body":"through the courses that you"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":95.43,"endTime":98.07,"body":"run. What does"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":98.07,"endTime":103.05,"body":"that actually mean? Oh,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":98.07,"endTime":103.05,"body":"from the inside, to me, art"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":103.05,"endTime":107.04,"body":"comes from the heart good art,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":103.05,"endTime":107.04,"body":"art that has feeling art that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":107.04,"endTime":110.1,"body":"people relate to, or that's the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":107.04,"endTime":110.1,"body":"most satisfying for you, to me"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":110.1,"endTime":114.45,"body":"comes from the heart, so to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":110.1,"endTime":114.45,"body":"speak. So I think we get so"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":114.45,"endTime":119.85,"body":"caught up in what we should"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":114.45,"endTime":119.85,"body":"make. And that art is a set of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":119.85,"endTime":122.97,"body":"skills and techniques that we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":119.85,"endTime":122.97,"body":"need to learn. That's coming"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":122.97,"endTime":127.29,"body":"from quite heady place. But for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":122.97,"endTime":127.29,"body":"me, art is more intuitive than"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":127.29,"endTime":130.5,"body":"that. And in terms of how I make"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":127.29,"endTime":130.5,"body":"art, and how I encourage"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":130.5,"endTime":134.64,"body":"students to work is to trust in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":130.5,"endTime":134.64,"body":"their intuition and to make"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":134.64,"endTime":138.33,"body":"something that comes more from"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":134.64,"endTime":138.33,"body":"within whatever that might end"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":138.33,"endTime":142.29,"body":"up looking like, if that makes"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":138.33,"endTime":142.29,"body":"sense. So it's more a kind of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":143.19,"endTime":146.76,"body":"coming, I guess art coming from"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":143.19,"endTime":146.76,"body":"a sort of more grounded,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":147.18,"endTime":151.62,"body":"internal space, really not being"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":147.18,"endTime":151.62,"body":"taught a set of skills, it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":151.62,"endTime":155.04,"body":"more bringing out your"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":151.62,"endTime":155.04,"body":"creativity from the inside."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":156.54,"endTime":157.98,"body":"That makes"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":156.54,"endTime":157.98,"body":"absolute sense."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":158.01,"endTime":158.61,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":159.24,"endTime":161.73,"body":"What does"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":159.24,"endTime":161.73,"body":"that mean to you as a child?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":162.09,"endTime":166.71,"body":"Well, is everything"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":162.09,"endTime":166.71,"body":"really art was? Oh, it was who I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":166.74,"endTime":170.73,"body":"was. art was my way of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":166.74,"endTime":170.73,"body":"expressing myself. It was my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":170.82,"endTime":174.3,"body":"claim that you know, my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":170.82,"endTime":174.3,"body":"preferred form of clay. I loved"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":174.3,"endTime":176.97,"body":"art at school, everybody wants"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":174.3,"endTime":176.97,"body":"to do art subjects, and I love"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":176.97,"endTime":179.67,"body":"being in the art studio. But"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":176.97,"endTime":179.67,"body":"that was kind of my home and I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":179.67,"endTime":182.67,"body":"didn't particularly like school."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":179.67,"endTime":182.67,"body":"And I'd like darts. It was like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":182.67,"endTime":186.84,"body":"a double bonus really, to go and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":182.67,"endTime":186.84,"body":"spend lots of time in the yard"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":186.84,"endTime":190.47,"body":"students spend quite a lot"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":186.84,"endTime":190.47,"body":"lunchtimes in there. And yeah, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":190.47,"endTime":194.73,"body":"mean, when I think back to kind"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":190.47,"endTime":194.73,"body":"of being little and what how I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":194.73,"endTime":197.61,"body":"spend my time here it was, it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":194.73,"endTime":197.61,"body":"was making it was making art"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":197.64,"endTime":201.24,"body":"that was like, when I was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":197.64,"endTime":201.24,"body":"unhappy Israeli. Whether that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":201.24,"endTime":203.28,"body":"was sort of sitting around the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":201.24,"endTime":203.28,"body":"table making Play Doh things"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":203.28,"endTime":207.48,"body":"with a mom, or drawing it some."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":203.28,"endTime":207.48,"body":"It's just my happy place, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":207.48,"endTime":207.93,"body":"guess."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":208.41,"endTime":211.17,"body":"Really? Oh, that's lovely."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":211.77,"endTime":214.8,"body":"You did a"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":211.77,"endTime":214.8,"body":"foundation course. Brilliant."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":214.98,"endTime":218.82,"body":"But then you lost your"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":214.98,"endTime":218.82,"body":"confidence by belief. Why do you"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":218.82,"endTime":219.96,"body":"think that was?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":220.14,"endTime":223.89,"body":"Well? Yeah, yeah,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":220.14,"endTime":223.89,"body":"foundation courses. Brilliant."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":224.01,"endTime":227.28,"body":"You go on it, you completely"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":224.01,"endTime":227.28,"body":"forget all the rules from you're"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":227.28,"endTime":231.3,"body":"told to forget all the rules in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":227.28,"endTime":231.3,"body":"school, which is a brilliant"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":231.3,"endTime":235.08,"body":"little kind of free, creative,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":231.3,"endTime":235.08,"body":"expressive space, starts to open"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":235.08,"endTime":237.87,"body":"that up and you and then you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":235.08,"endTime":237.87,"body":"have to decide where to go to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":237.87,"endTime":242.46,"body":"continue on at university. And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":237.87,"endTime":242.46,"body":"was really discovering I love"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":242.46,"endTime":245.85,"body":"textiles, but didn't really want"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":242.46,"endTime":245.85,"body":"to do after sort of more"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":245.85,"endTime":249.81,"body":"traditional textile course, in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":245.85,"endTime":249.81,"body":"terms of no textile footprint or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":249.81,"endTime":253.2,"body":"manufacturer that sort of left"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":249.81,"endTime":253.2,"body":"me feeling a bit cold. So I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":253.2,"endTime":258.33,"body":"applied for a textile art"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":253.2,"endTime":258.33,"body":"course. And I didn't get onto"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":258.33,"endTime":260.55,"body":"that, which actually, when I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":258.33,"endTime":260.55,"body":"went to see her interview"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":260.55,"endTime":263.61,"body":"exhibition, probably was a good"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":260.55,"endTime":263.61,"body":"thing because it was really"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":263.61,"endTime":265.95,"body":"conceptual. And that just wasn't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":263.61,"endTime":265.95,"body":"where my head was at about. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":265.95,"endTime":268.14,"body":"think it kind of lost made me"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":265.95,"endTime":268.14,"body":"lose my confidence because I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":268.14,"endTime":273.54,"body":"didn't know where my creativity"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":268.14,"endTime":273.54,"body":"set. Well, it's not that cost"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":273.54,"endTime":277.86,"body":"but it's not. So printer test"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":273.54,"endTime":277.86,"body":"style. So actually, I just kind"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":277.86,"endTime":280.89,"body":"of lost my way and I had no one"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":277.86,"endTime":280.89,"body":"to really talk to about it at"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":280.89,"endTime":283.11,"body":"the time to kind of get away"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":280.89,"endTime":283.11,"body":"actually, like you could do this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":283.11,"endTime":286.26,"body":"or this is a different angle."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":283.11,"endTime":286.26,"body":"This is a different approach. So"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":286.26,"endTime":289.59,"body":"ended up doing history of art,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":286.26,"endTime":289.59,"body":"which studying on people's heart"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":289.65,"endTime":294.78,"body":"is quite rightly not satisfying"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":289.65,"endTime":294.78,"body":"in any way. But yeah, for me, it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":294.78,"endTime":296.7,"body":"just kind of knocked my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":294.78,"endTime":296.7,"body":"confidence but not me. Of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":296.7,"endTime":300.39,"body":"course. I kind of went off on a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":296.7,"endTime":300.39,"body":"sort of 10 years tangent Not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":301.08,"endTime":306.27,"body":"really making my own art. And a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":301.08,"endTime":306.27,"body":"lot of people come to me who've"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":306.51,"endTime":309.78,"body":"done competence spinlocks much"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":306.51,"endTime":309.78,"body":"earlier on in school been told"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":309.78,"endTime":313.17,"body":"they're not very good at art."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":309.78,"endTime":313.17,"body":"But it just happens to be that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":313.41,"endTime":316.38,"body":"maybe they found a particular"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":313.41,"endTime":316.38,"body":"project, because it didn't have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":316.38,"endTime":319.8,"body":"the support from a teacher,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":316.38,"endTime":319.8,"body":"therefore, that categorises in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":319.8,"endTime":321.78,"body":"their head are not very good."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":319.8,"endTime":321.78,"body":"Therefore, I'm not going to do"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":321.78,"endTime":326.49,"body":"any more art anymore. And then"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":321.78,"endTime":326.49,"body":"that becomes not an option for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":326.49,"endTime":328.74,"body":"you anymore. I just kind of put"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":326.49,"endTime":328.74,"body":"it in a box. And I did the same,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":328.74,"endTime":331.17,"body":"I just did it a foundation"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":328.74,"endTime":331.17,"body":"level, I put my art in the box,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":331.17,"endTime":334.05,"body":"because I didn't know where to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":331.17,"endTime":334.05,"body":"take it. And I didn't feel I was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":334.05,"endTime":334.47,"body":"good enough,"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":334.53,"endTime":337.68,"body":"I guess."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":334.53,"endTime":337.68,"body":"completely understand. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":338.13,"endTime":341.58,"body":"What were you doing after"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":338.13,"endTime":341.58,"body":"university? And then what was"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":341.58,"endTime":344.7,"body":"the catalyst that got you back"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":341.58,"endTime":344.7,"body":"to creating?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":345.42,"endTime":348.87,"body":"So basically, I just"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":345.42,"endTime":348.87,"body":"went off on a kind of wild goose"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":348.87,"endTime":352.08,"body":"chase in a way. So I did history"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":348.87,"endTime":352.08,"body":"of art. And then I worked in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":352.08,"endTime":355.44,"body":"lots of different galleries and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":352.08,"endTime":355.44,"body":"arts organisations for the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":355.44,"endTime":358.83,"body":"administration role, again,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":355.44,"endTime":358.83,"body":"working around other people's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":358.89,"endTime":361.77,"body":"art rather than do my own was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":358.89,"endTime":361.77,"body":"counting a little bit how many"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":361.77,"endTime":366.42,"body":"jobs have been 35 jobs before I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":361.77,"endTime":366.42,"body":"started to think this worked in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":366.78,"endTime":371.25,"body":"all sorts of admin jobs. I long"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":366.78,"endTime":371.25,"body":"story short, ended up doing some"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":371.25,"endTime":374.85,"body":"counselling, training, and some"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":371.25,"endTime":374.85,"body":"coaching training, ended up"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":374.85,"endTime":378.48,"body":"working and staff development,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":374.85,"endTime":378.48,"body":"and coaching, just kind of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":378.48,"endTime":382.35,"body":"dabbling in my own bit of art,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":378.48,"endTime":382.35,"body":"but like, not in a very"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":382.35,"endTime":387.33,"body":"satisfactory way. So I did the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":382.35,"endTime":387.33,"body":"dressmaking class in the door,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":387.33,"endTime":389.55,"body":"we making calls and things like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":387.33,"endTime":389.55,"body":"that, and they were sort of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":389.55,"endTime":392.13,"body":"Okay, and they sort of scratch"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":389.55,"endTime":392.13,"body":"the creative itch, but it wasn't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":392.13,"endTime":395.01,"body":"really me. So I just sort of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":392.13,"endTime":395.01,"body":"like blundered around for a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":395.01,"endTime":399.21,"body":"while really trying different"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":395.01,"endTime":399.21,"body":"things. And until kind of to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":399.21,"endTime":400.38,"body":"what I'm doing now."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":400.98,"endTime":404.22,"body":"How did it"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":400.98,"endTime":404.22,"body":"come about what you are doing"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":404.22,"endTime":404.82,"body":"now?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":405.27,"endTime":408.24,"body":"I guess, about eight"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":405.27,"endTime":408.24,"body":"years ago, I started doing my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":408.24,"endTime":412.74,"body":"own art, again, after basic sort"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":408.24,"endTime":412.74,"body":"of dabbling in the bits and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":412.74,"endTime":416.1,"body":"pieces, I'd move house with my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":412.74,"endTime":416.1,"body":"art materials for like, years,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":416.58,"endTime":418.92,"body":"and just carried them around and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":416.58,"endTime":418.92,"body":"never done anything with them."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":419.52,"endTime":422.46,"body":"And I guess the catalyst for me"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":419.52,"endTime":422.46,"body":"doing my own art was, I was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":422.46,"endTime":427.38,"body":"having some talking to my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":422.46,"endTime":427.38,"body":"counselling mental supervisor"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":427.38,"endTime":430.68,"body":"when I was doing my course. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":427.38,"endTime":430.68,"body":"she was saying, Well, I think"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":430.68,"endTime":437.31,"body":"maybe you need to do some art."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":430.68,"endTime":437.31,"body":"It's kind of key to who you are,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":437.31,"endTime":440.52,"body":"and you're not doing it. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":437.31,"endTime":440.52,"body":"even though I kind of knew that,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":440.52,"endTime":445.47,"body":"on some level, I'd not really"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":440.52,"endTime":445.47,"body":"allowed myself to do or found a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":445.47,"endTime":449.19,"body":"way to do it. So I went home on"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":445.47,"endTime":449.19,"body":"a trip and paints out. And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":449.19,"endTime":454.41,"body":"started painting and drawing."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":449.19,"endTime":454.41,"body":"But lots of it was quite messy,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":454.89,"endTime":458.1,"body":"quite different from what I'm"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":454.89,"endTime":458.1,"body":"doing. Now, it was quite painful"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":458.1,"endTime":460.95,"body":"to do actually, like, if I'm"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":458.1,"endTime":460.95,"body":"honest, it was quite, it was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":460.95,"endTime":464.19,"body":"almost like it wasn't like to do"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":460.95,"endTime":464.19,"body":"art, because that was something"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":464.19,"endTime":466.44,"body":"pretty, it was like something"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":464.19,"endTime":466.44,"body":"that I needed to do. So it was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":466.44,"endTime":469.77,"body":"getting back in touch with that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":466.44,"endTime":469.77,"body":"creativity and just allowing"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":469.77,"endTime":477.24,"body":"myself to make whatever is on"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":469.77,"endTime":477.24,"body":"I'm still making my art. So it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":477.24,"endTime":482.01,"body":"obviously worked. I think I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":477.24,"endTime":482.01,"body":"ended up doing my own I that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":482.01,"endTime":483.84,"body":"because I'm not very good at"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":482.01,"endTime":483.84,"body":"being told what to do. And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":483.84,"endTime":487.05,"body":"don't like producing the same as"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":483.84,"endTime":487.05,"body":"everybody else. I've never"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":487.05,"endTime":490.08,"body":"enjoyed that. So for me, it felt"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":487.05,"endTime":490.08,"body":"quite important to do it myself."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":490.83,"endTime":496.62,"body":"And I think making my own art"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":490.83,"endTime":496.62,"body":"made me feel like me, it just"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":496.62,"endTime":499.2,"body":"kind of made me feel whole and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":496.62,"endTime":499.2,"body":"complete. And there's part of me"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":499.2,"endTime":503.19,"body":"that just hadn't been fulfilled"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":499.2,"endTime":503.19,"body":"before suddenly felt filled like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":503.19,"endTime":506.46,"body":"it from a really sort of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":503.19,"endTime":506.46,"body":"internal perspective, I guess."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":506.91,"endTime":510.33,"body":"When I was in London A while"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":506.91,"endTime":510.33,"body":"ago, I did a an art therapy"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":510.33,"endTime":513.81,"body":"foundation course for an"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":510.33,"endTime":513.81,"body":"intensive week. Loved it loved"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":513.81,"endTime":516.24,"body":"the kind of creative expression"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":513.81,"endTime":516.24,"body":"but didn't really necessarily"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":516.24,"endTime":519.42,"body":"want to go and do a two year art"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":516.24,"endTime":519.42,"body":"therapy training course with no"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":519.42,"endTime":523.68,"body":"guarantee job at the end but and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":519.42,"endTime":523.68,"body":"just started thinking well, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":523.68,"endTime":529.62,"body":"love making art. And I love"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":523.68,"endTime":529.62,"body":"coaching. I love helping people"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":530.01,"endTime":533.1,"body":"bring out the best in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":530.01,"endTime":533.1,"body":"themselves. But is there a way"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":533.1,"endTime":536.01,"body":"that I could put those together"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":533.1,"endTime":536.01,"body":"is a way that I could put some"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":536.01,"endTime":538.2,"body":"of these things that I love"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":536.01,"endTime":538.2,"body":"these two things that I love"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":538.83,"endTime":542.13,"body":"together into something. And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":538.83,"endTime":542.13,"body":"guess like one of the catalysts"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":542.13,"endTime":544.89,"body":"as well was a friend of mine"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":542.13,"endTime":544.89,"body":"just said, Could you teach me"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":544.89,"endTime":547.47,"body":"how to be smart? No one had ever"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":544.89,"endTime":547.47,"body":"asked me that before, quite"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":547.47,"endTime":551.16,"body":"frankly, I kind of didn't even"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":547.47,"endTime":551.16,"body":"know if I could help because I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":551.16,"endTime":554.85,"body":"made my own art before. So we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":551.16,"endTime":554.85,"body":"just went to a cafe for a couple"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":554.85,"endTime":558.42,"body":"of hours, I bought those"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":554.85,"endTime":558.42,"body":"materials and with that made our"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":558.42,"endTime":561.21,"body":"together and talked about what"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":558.42,"endTime":561.21,"body":"we were doing. And I definitely"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":561.21,"endTime":564.84,"body":"encouraged her to just play and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":561.21,"endTime":564.84,"body":"explore. By the end of those two"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":564.84,"endTime":567.15,"body":"hours, she'd made quite a lot of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":564.84,"endTime":567.15,"body":"work that she liked. She was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":567.18,"endTime":569.97,"body":"sending pictures to her husband"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":567.18,"endTime":569.97,"body":"already which is quite a big"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":569.97,"endTime":575.61,"body":"deal compared to lots of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":569.97,"endTime":575.61,"body":"students who who feel quite Oh,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":575.7,"endTime":580.32,"body":"look, I don't want show anyone"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":575.7,"endTime":580.32,"body":"went to an art shop straightaway"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":580.32,"endTime":583.56,"body":"bought lots of materials. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":580.32,"endTime":583.56,"body":"that made me think maybe there's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":583.56,"endTime":587.43,"body":"something in this. Maybe I can"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":583.56,"endTime":587.43,"body":"actually help people in a way"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":587.43,"endTime":591.84,"body":"that feels really natural and in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":587.43,"endTime":591.84,"body":"a way that I make art and in a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":591.84,"endTime":596.79,"body":"way that uses the skills I have."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":591.84,"endTime":596.79,"body":"So I came back to Oxford five"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":596.79,"endTime":601.83,"body":"years ago now and so I get a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":596.79,"endTime":601.83,"body":"part time job. Also just try"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":601.86,"endTime":606.09,"body":"running smart glasses and see"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":601.86,"endTime":606.09,"body":"what happens. And that was four"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":606.09,"endTime":608.94,"body":"and a half years ago now. Now,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":606.09,"endTime":608.94,"body":"that's my job."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":611.58,"endTime":615.93,"body":"Amazing."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":611.58,"endTime":615.93,"body":"Tell me how you run our courses"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":615.93,"endTime":619.59,"body":"for adults now. And what can"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":615.93,"endTime":619.59,"body":"someone expect when they join a"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":619.59,"endTime":620.37,"body":"class,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":620.73,"endTime":623.7,"body":"mostly gambling online"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":620.73,"endTime":623.7,"body":"at the moment. So mostly what I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":623.7,"endTime":628.14,"body":"want at the moment are evening"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":623.7,"endTime":628.14,"body":"art groups. So they are"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":628.14,"endTime":631.32,"body":"basically a space for people who"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":628.14,"endTime":631.32,"body":"have made a little bit about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":631.32,"endTime":634.35,"body":"before, it could have been a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":631.32,"endTime":634.35,"body":"long time ago, or it could have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":634.35,"endTime":637.38,"body":"been quite recently, but they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":634.35,"endTime":637.38,"body":"just don't do very much a bit."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":637.74,"endTime":641.25,"body":"And it's just a really lovely"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":637.74,"endTime":641.25,"body":"space to come along and make art"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":641.28,"endTime":645.3,"body":"in a way that feels right for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":641.28,"endTime":645.3,"body":"you to actually finish some of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":645.3,"endTime":647.64,"body":"those projects or start some of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":645.3,"endTime":647.64,"body":"those projects that you've been"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":647.64,"endTime":651.48,"body":"wanting to do to build your"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":647.64,"endTime":651.48,"body":"confidence in terms of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":651.48,"endTime":654.9,"body":"creativity, so that they're not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":651.48,"endTime":654.9,"body":"the sort of class where everyone"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":654.9,"endTime":657.21,"body":"sits down the page. Same thing,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":654.9,"endTime":657.21,"body":"as I said earlier, like, that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":657.21,"endTime":659.67,"body":"really not my bag. So it's not"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":657.21,"endTime":659.67,"body":"like a painting party or"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":659.67,"endTime":663.03,"body":"anything like that they are a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":659.67,"endTime":663.03,"body":"space where I help you bring art"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":663.09,"endTime":666.69,"body":"out in a way that works for you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":663.09,"endTime":666.69,"body":"in a way that you want to make."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":667.8,"endTime":670.95,"body":"And quite a lot of people that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":667.8,"endTime":670.95,"body":"come to that are kind of like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":670.95,"endTime":674.37,"body":"me, they used to make art, it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":670.95,"endTime":674.37,"body":"part of who they are, they just"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":674.4,"endTime":677.34,"body":"find it really hard to make time"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":674.4,"endTime":677.34,"body":"and space in their life and to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":677.64,"endTime":680.7,"body":"connect with that part of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":677.64,"endTime":680.7,"body":"themselves. So it's really about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":680.7,"endTime":684.48,"body":"helping you nurture your"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":680.7,"endTime":684.48,"body":"creativity and your creative"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":684.48,"endTime":688.5,"body":"side. So those are the groups"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":684.48,"endTime":688.5,"body":"that I'm on. And when I'm"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":688.5,"endTime":691.44,"body":"allowed to do things physically,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":688.5,"endTime":691.44,"body":"again, I'm hoping to run some"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":691.44,"endTime":693.99,"body":"full day Saturday workshops,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":691.44,"endTime":693.99,"body":"again, just to really help"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":693.99,"endTime":697.08,"body":"people express themselves"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":693.99,"endTime":697.08,"body":"creatively come out of their"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":697.08,"endTime":700.26,"body":"creative comfort zone by all"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":697.08,"endTime":700.26,"body":"sorts of different things with"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":700.26,"endTime":705.96,"body":"no without a play, really have a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":700.26,"endTime":705.96,"body":"play with paints and pencils and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":705.99,"endTime":710.25,"body":"see what happens when you do"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":705.99,"endTime":710.25,"body":"because I think some of working"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":710.25,"endTime":713.43,"body":"art by ourselves, or when we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":710.25,"endTime":713.43,"body":"don't make very much art, we"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":713.43,"endTime":717.48,"body":"tend to stick very much in our"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":713.43,"endTime":717.48,"body":"comfort zone. And that can be,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":717.84,"endTime":720.6,"body":"it can be okay, if that's kind"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":717.84,"endTime":720.6,"body":"of what you enjoy. There's a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":720.6,"endTime":723.54,"body":"time and a place for coming out"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":720.6,"endTime":723.54,"body":"of your comfort zone. And seeing"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":723.54,"endTime":727.38,"body":"what happens. When you do just"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":723.54,"endTime":727.38,"body":"see what happens when you don't"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":727.38,"endTime":729.09,"body":"know what's gonna happen. We"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":727.38,"endTime":729.09,"body":"don't know what's going to come"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":729.09,"endTime":731.01,"body":"out of yourself, because that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":729.09,"endTime":731.01,"body":"where the interesting stuff that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":731.01,"endTime":733.68,"body":"happens. That's when stuff comes"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":731.01,"endTime":733.68,"body":"from the heart as well."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":735.84,"endTime":738.51,"body":"Yeah, that"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":735.84,"endTime":738.51,"body":"sounds lovely. It sounds like a"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":738.57,"endTime":744.06,"body":"really good approach for your"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":738.57,"endTime":744.06,"body":"students to come out knowing"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":744.06,"endTime":746.82,"body":"that they've got something that"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":744.06,"endTime":746.82,"body":"they're really not quite sure"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":746.82,"endTime":751.59,"body":"what it is. How do you deal with"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":746.82,"endTime":751.59,"body":"things like various materials,"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":751.59,"endTime":755.01,"body":"or if people don't know what"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":751.59,"endTime":755.01,"body":"they want to work with?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":755.76,"endTime":759.66,"body":"Well, often I start"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":755.76,"endTime":759.66,"body":"with what people have said about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":759.66,"endTime":762.54,"body":"materials on campus that they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":759.66,"endTime":762.54,"body":"never use, or have never use"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":762.54,"endTime":764.49,"body":"I've been given for Christmas"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":762.54,"endTime":764.49,"body":"presents. So it's all about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":764.49,"endTime":766.83,"body":"taking them out and encouraging"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":764.49,"endTime":766.83,"body":"them to play with them to start"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":766.83,"endTime":770.19,"body":"with already the kids are boxes"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":766.83,"endTime":770.19,"body":"to amazing what you can find."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":771.87,"endTime":775.08,"body":"But because everybody's making"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":771.87,"endTime":775.08,"body":"different things in the groups,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":775.35,"endTime":779.7,"body":"they can see an experience other"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":775.35,"endTime":779.7,"body":"people using materials that they"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":779.7,"endTime":782.43,"body":"haven't tried yet, so that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":779.7,"endTime":782.43,"body":"really good because they can see"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":782.43,"endTime":785.43,"body":"the effects and chatting to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":782.43,"endTime":785.43,"body":"people about how they find them"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":785.43,"endTime":789.42,"body":"to use. And then I can recommend"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":785.43,"endTime":789.42,"body":"different materials as well. So"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":789.45,"endTime":792.96,"body":"good starter packs for pastels"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":789.45,"endTime":792.96,"body":"and paints and that sort of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":792.96,"endTime":796.95,"body":"thing. And because because I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":792.96,"endTime":796.95,"body":"talked to people, because I have"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":796.95,"endTime":800.13,"body":"sort of one to one sessions with"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":796.95,"endTime":800.13,"body":"people as part of what I do is a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":800.13,"endTime":802.5,"body":"really good chance to kind of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":800.13,"endTime":802.5,"body":"tax them again. Okay, well, what"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":802.53,"endTime":804.81,"body":"what would you like to explore"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":802.53,"endTime":804.81,"body":"what naturally would come next"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":804.81,"endTime":807.06,"body":"for you? Do you really love"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":804.81,"endTime":807.06,"body":"colour? Okay, let's maybe have a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":807.06,"endTime":810.78,"body":"bit of pastels. Do you like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":807.06,"endTime":810.78,"body":"things to be vibrant? Or kind of"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":810.81,"endTime":816.96,"body":"more muted? Or? Yes, it's kind"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":810.81,"endTime":816.96,"body":"of a personal personal journey"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":816.96,"endTime":819.72,"body":"is not driven by me going"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":816.96,"endTime":819.72,"body":"nature? Do this nation do that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":819.72,"endTime":823.44,"body":"it's more? What do you feel like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":819.72,"endTime":823.44,"body":"trying? Or what do you feel that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":823.44,"endTime":827.25,"body":"combining or discovering what"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":823.44,"endTime":827.25,"body":"you enjoy using?"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":830.43,"endTime":832.8,"body":"I love"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":830.43,"endTime":832.8,"body":"sharing my guests stories with"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":832.8,"endTime":836.82,"body":"you. But podcasting isn't cheap."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":832.8,"endTime":836.82,"body":"There are hosting fees and"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":836.82,"endTime":841.02,"body":"software costs, tech to buy and"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":836.82,"endTime":841.02,"body":"time to invest in planning and"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":841.02,"endTime":844.44,"body":"editing. To make sure the guests"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":841.02,"endTime":844.44,"body":"sound great, and listeners hear"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":844.44,"endTime":847.89,"body":"the best content. If you'd like"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":844.44,"endTime":847.89,"body":"to financially support"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":847.89,"endTime":854.58,"body":"creativity found, please visit k"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":847.89,"endTime":854.58,"body":"o hyphen f ai.com. Slash"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":854.73,"endTime":861.66,"body":"creativity found podcast. You've"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":854.73,"endTime":861.66,"body":"already mentioned that you value"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":861.66,"endTime":867.0,"body":"your own creative expression,"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":861.66,"endTime":867.0,"body":"and the courses are now a job"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":867.03,"endTime":872.34,"body":"for you. How would you continue"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":867.03,"endTime":872.34,"body":"to nurture yourself artistically"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":872.55,"endTime":876.27,"body":"and not concentrate solely on"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":872.55,"endTime":876.27,"body":"helping others or say the work"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":876.27,"endTime":878.22,"body":"side of your art?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":879.18,"endTime":882.39,"body":"Well, it's a constant."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":879.18,"endTime":882.39,"body":"It's a constant balance. And I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":882.39,"endTime":886.5,"body":"do find that it really helps me"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":882.39,"endTime":886.5,"body":"to go to do other courses and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":886.5,"endTime":890.43,"body":"classes. So I've been doing some"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":886.5,"endTime":890.43,"body":"experimental life drawing"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":890.43,"endTime":894.48,"body":"classes and some pottery and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":890.43,"endTime":894.48,"body":"then in September I started a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":894.51,"endTime":897.75,"body":"one year course at Avada in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":894.51,"endTime":897.75,"body":"Oxford, which is a continuing"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":897.75,"endTime":901.68,"body":"practice course and For me,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":897.75,"endTime":901.68,"body":"that's been brilliant because"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":901.71,"endTime":906.72,"body":"it's a chance for me to get up"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":901.71,"endTime":906.72,"body":"my comfort zone. Something as"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":906.72,"endTime":910.77,"body":"I'm quite passionate about, but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":906.72,"endTime":910.77,"body":"not always very good at doing"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":910.77,"endTime":916.05,"body":"myself and make projects and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":910.77,"endTime":916.05,"body":"talk about well, so the complete"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":916.05,"endTime":919.02,"body":"different way, and it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":916.05,"endTime":919.02,"body":"completely changed what I'm"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":919.02,"endTime":922.02,"body":"making and what I want to say"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":919.02,"endTime":922.02,"body":"and how I see the world, I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":922.02,"endTime":926.76,"body":"think. But for me, one of the"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":922.02,"endTime":926.76,"body":"massive benefits has been how I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":926.79,"endTime":930.39,"body":"talk to my students about their"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":926.79,"endTime":930.39,"body":"art. So it's really made me"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":930.39,"endTime":934.26,"body":"notice not only how good it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":930.39,"endTime":934.26,"body":"makes me feel, and how visually"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":934.26,"endTime":937.47,"body":"it changes my art, but it really"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":934.26,"endTime":937.47,"body":"changes it really affects how"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":937.47,"endTime":940.59,"body":"much value I can bring to my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":937.47,"endTime":940.59,"body":"students, the more you"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":940.59,"endTime":943.32,"body":"understand yourself and can help"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":940.59,"endTime":943.32,"body":"other people."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":944.61,"endTime":946.74,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":944.61,"endTime":946.74,"body":"speaking about understanding"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":946.74,"endTime":951.54,"body":"yourself, have you ever"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":946.74,"endTime":951.54,"body":"exhibited your own art for"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":951.54,"endTime":952.74,"body":"others to see"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":953.61,"endTime":958.05,"body":"how I've done a couple"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":953.61,"endTime":958.05,"body":"of weeks. So Oxford, we have an"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":958.17,"endTime":962.52,"body":"open studios art weeks, when I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":958.17,"endTime":962.52,"body":"had in my husband's office in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":962.52,"endTime":966.66,"body":"town, and one had a shared"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":962.52,"endTime":966.66,"body":"exhibition here with my husband"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":966.66,"endTime":970.47,"body":"and his photography, it's quite"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":966.66,"endTime":970.47,"body":"scary, I have to say, it was"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":970.47,"endTime":973.65,"body":"quite scary, it felt a little"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":970.47,"endTime":973.65,"body":"bit like coming out to like your"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":973.65,"endTime":975.96,"body":"friends or family or walking"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":973.65,"endTime":975.96,"body":"down the street naked person,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":975.96,"endTime":980.97,"body":"particularly if that was a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":975.96,"endTime":980.97,"body":"really important thing to do."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":980.97,"endTime":984.63,"body":"But I think it also highlighted"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":980.97,"endTime":984.63,"body":"for me, the fact that I need to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":984.63,"endTime":988.86,"body":"do art for myself, almost like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":984.63,"endTime":988.86,"body":"the second exhibition became a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":988.86,"endTime":990.84,"body":"little bit more like, Okay, what"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":988.86,"endTime":990.84,"body":"do I need to show for other"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":990.84,"endTime":995.49,"body":"people. And I realised that it"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":990.84,"endTime":995.49,"body":"was becoming a bit more about my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":995.49,"endTime":999.42,"body":"pleasing other people, but my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":995.49,"endTime":999.42,"body":"focus has been more external"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1000.14,"endTime":1004.73,"body":"than internal. But me, it's a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1000.14,"endTime":1004.73,"body":"real need, it's a drive, it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1004.73,"endTime":1008.78,"body":"something I have to do something"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1004.73,"endTime":1008.78,"body":"that's part of who I am. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1009.05,"endTime":1014.6,"body":"that means that I have to look"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1009.05,"endTime":1014.6,"body":"quite into myself for that. So I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1014.6,"endTime":1016.79,"body":"might exhibit at some point in"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1014.6,"endTime":1016.79,"body":"the future, but for now, that's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1016.79,"endTime":1020.69,"body":"not what's important for me. And"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1016.79,"endTime":1020.69,"body":"a lot of people that I work with"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1020.69,"endTime":1023.57,"body":"as well, like, I always"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1020.69,"endTime":1023.57,"body":"encourage that too, it's like,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1023.72,"endTime":1026.72,"body":"ultimately do it for you first,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1023.72,"endTime":1026.72,"body":"if you know, even like making a"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1027.05,"endTime":1029.96,"body":"making a piece of art, somebody"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1027.05,"endTime":1029.96,"body":"that I want to kind of make this"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1030.08,"endTime":1032.21,"body":"is going to be specifically for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1030.08,"endTime":1032.21,"body":"this person. And I will say"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1032.21,"endTime":1035.93,"body":"we'll make it for you first,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1032.21,"endTime":1035.93,"body":"ultimately do it for you. But"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1035.93,"endTime":1038.93,"body":"then if you want to give it to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1035.93,"endTime":1038.93,"body":"that other person, then do it,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1039.02,"endTime":1044.93,"body":"but make it for you. First, it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1039.02,"endTime":1044.93,"body":"um, it has a very different feel"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1044.93,"endTime":1051.17,"body":"to it when you make art in that"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1044.93,"endTime":1051.17,"body":"way. And all it is for us is its"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1051.17,"endTime":1053.48,"body":"first person, everybody else,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1051.17,"endTime":1053.48,"body":"like if they happen to love it,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1053.72,"endTime":1056.6,"body":"or get something from it. That"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1053.72,"endTime":1056.6,"body":"was brilliant. For me, it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1056.6,"endTime":1061.97,"body":"about nurturing yourself first."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1056.6,"endTime":1061.97,"body":"That makes sense. Definitely,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1062.03,"endTime":1062.75,"body":"definitely,"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1062.78,"endTime":1063.56,"body":"I love that."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1064.97,"endTime":1066.29,"body":"You've said just now"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1066.29,"endTime":1068.57,"body":"that you're"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1066.29,"endTime":1068.57,"body":"not planning on exhibiting in"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1068.57,"endTime":1073.43,"body":"the future. So what are your"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1068.57,"endTime":1073.43,"body":"plans for the future, whether"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1073.43,"endTime":1075.14,"body":"that's near or far,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1076.22,"endTime":1080.93,"body":"in terms of my own art,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1076.22,"endTime":1080.93,"body":"for me, the really important"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1080.93,"endTime":1085.19,"body":"thing is to just keep creating"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1080.93,"endTime":1085.19,"body":"space in my life for it. Because"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1085.25,"endTime":1087.56,"body":"I don't know where it's going to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1085.25,"endTime":1087.56,"body":"take the course that I'm doing"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1087.56,"endTime":1090.05,"body":"at the moment is a little bit"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1087.56,"endTime":1090.05,"body":"kind of focused on maybe kind"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1090.05,"endTime":1092.36,"body":"of, you know, thinking about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1090.05,"endTime":1092.36,"body":"doing it professionally. But for"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1092.36,"endTime":1095.87,"body":"me again, that's not where I'm"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1092.36,"endTime":1095.87,"body":"at right now, for me, I just"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1095.87,"endTime":1100.01,"body":"need that space and consistency"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1095.87,"endTime":1100.01,"body":"in my life to make and see what"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1100.01,"endTime":1103.97,"body":"happens and see what comes out"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1100.01,"endTime":1103.97,"body":"and see where it takes me. So I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1103.97,"endTime":1107.24,"body":"don't have like any concrete"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1103.97,"endTime":1107.24,"body":"visions or plans of my art other"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1107.24,"endTime":1111.8,"body":"than to just make like, it's"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1107.24,"endTime":1111.8,"body":"just about making and seeing"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1111.8,"endTime":1114.29,"body":"what happens, maybe I'll end up"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1111.8,"endTime":1114.29,"body":"having a collection or something"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1114.29,"endTime":1118.07,"body":"I can do with it, maybe not, but"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1114.29,"endTime":1118.07,"body":"it's just about making for my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1118.07,"endTime":1120.86,"body":"classes is really about"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1118.07,"endTime":1120.86,"body":"continuing to provide that space"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1120.86,"endTime":1121.49,"body":"for people."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1122.45,"endTime":1127.4,"body":"Fabulous,"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1122.45,"endTime":1127.4,"body":"amazing. There are many, many"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1127.4,"endTime":1130.19,"body":"podcasts out there, it's"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1127.4,"endTime":1130.19,"body":"difficult to know where to"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1130.19,"endTime":1133.43,"body":"start. So I like to ask my"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1130.19,"endTime":1133.43,"body":"guests for their"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1133.43,"endTime":1135.65,"body":"recommendations. You're welcome."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1137.84,"endTime":1140.42,"body":"I like them off hour."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1137.84,"endTime":1140.42,"body":"It's just people telling their"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1140.42,"endTime":1144.53,"body":"own stories. I think it started"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1140.42,"endTime":1144.53,"body":"in America, but it's people"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1145.04,"endTime":1148.37,"body":"sharing their own personal"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1145.04,"endTime":1148.37,"body":"stories and, and, and developing"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1148.37,"endTime":1150.83,"body":"the skill of storytelling and"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1148.37,"endTime":1150.83,"body":"that can be from anything from"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1150.83,"endTime":1155.78,"body":"you know, like, major life"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1150.83,"endTime":1155.78,"body":"changing activity to something"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1155.78,"endTime":1158.81,"body":"really little, it's just the art"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1155.78,"endTime":1158.81,"body":"of storytelling. And, you know,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1158.81,"endTime":1161.3,"body":"they they're about sort of 15"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1158.81,"endTime":1161.3,"body":"minutes long, but I just loved"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1161.42,"endTime":1164.3,"body":"listening to one and just really"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1161.42,"endTime":1164.3,"body":"sitting with that story"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1164.3,"endTime":1167.27,"body":"afterwards. It's just feels like"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1164.3,"endTime":1167.27,"body":"a really personal experience. I"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1167.27,"endTime":1168.65,"body":"love it. I thoroughly recommend"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1167.27,"endTime":1168.65,"body":"it."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1169.85,"endTime":1171.26,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1172.19,"endTime":1177.47,"body":"How can people contact you?"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1172.19,"endTime":1177.47,"body":"Okay, so my website is Jane"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1177.47,"endTime":1181.4,"body":"bainer co.uk and I'll spell my"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1177.47,"endTime":1181.4,"body":"surname because nobody can ever"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1181.4,"endTime":1187.43,"body":"spell it which is b e. i n a RT,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1181.4,"endTime":1187.43,"body":"and I'm also on Instagram at"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1187.46,"endTime":1190.46,"body":"Jane underscore beynac"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1187.46,"endTime":1190.46,"body":"underscore artist. So yeah,"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1190.46,"endTime":1191.75,"body":"that's the best way to find me."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1193.28,"endTime":1195.14,"body":"Fabulous."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1193.28,"endTime":1195.14,"body":"Thank you so much, Jane. It's"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1195.14,"endTime":1196.91,"body":"been brilliant to talk to you"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1195.14,"endTime":1196.91,"body":"today."},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1197.6,"endTime":1199.76,"body":"debates taught you to"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1197.6,"endTime":1199.76,"body":"is a brilliant space to just"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1199.76,"endTime":1202.1,"body":"dump Talking about art, quite"},{"speaker":"Unknown","startTime":1199.76,"endTime":1202.1,"body":"frankly,"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1202.7,"endTime":1204.14,"body":"and we love"},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1202.7,"endTime":1204.14,"body":"hearing about it."},{"speaker":"Claire Waite Brown","startTime":1206.09,"endTime":1239.12,"body":"Thank you."}]}