The Visionary Woman Podcast
The Visionary Woman Podcast
Soul Health with Kirstie Fleur (Freedom Sessions Chicago)
Join us for an empowering conversation! In this special episode, I'll be sharing an incredible session on Soul Health that took place in March. We gathered in the vibrant city of Chicago for a Freedom Session, bringing together a group of beautiful, driven women who were eager to learn, grow, and reach new heights. As always, my mission is to provide valuable resources for visionary women, and during these sessions, we delved deep into the importance of nurturing our soul's health. I speak candidly about the importance of self-care and grounding oneself. You’ll learn how these practices can lead to a deeper understanding of your soul's needs and desires, fostering a more fulfilling life.
The Freedom Sessions are thoughtfully designed events that foster intimate connections, both within the community and among attendees. Expect to be inspired, empowered, and mentally and spiritually stimulated in this episode. I hope you guys enjoy it!
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Don't put your dreams to bed. You've done that enough. Now it's time to stir them up. This is your friend and host, Kirstie Fleur, with the Visionary Woman podcast, and I love resourcing the Visionary Woman, the creative, the artist, the business owner, the risk taker, and on this show we will talk about what it means to get out of your own way and take your dreams to the next level. Join the conversation.
Session Host :For Kirstie, freedom is more than a right. Freedom is her purpose. It's the driving force behind her company, Freedom Fleur, a luxury, sustainable clothing brand that makes no apology for ethically made luxury clothing. It is so hard to find ethically made clothing. Let me tell you. Freedom Fleur shows women that, while being powerful, they can also have luxury, rest, ease and quality without apology.
Session Host :Kirstie's EdTech platform, the FF Social Club, was created to merge women's personal and professional growth, innovation and leadership all into one place. As founder and CEO, Kirstie is focused on resourcing the Visionary Woman of all backgrounds and circumstances with the support and resources they need to realize their dreams, whether it be building a business of their own or getting started on their personal healing journey. A veteran, Kirstie found herself struggling with direction upon her return home, which is further clouded by the lingering aftermath of sexual abuse she experienced in her youth. One night, she discovered a documentary about female survivors of assault that struck a chord and initiated a bigger shift. When she realized she couldn't take others where she hadn't gone herself, Kirstie decided to address the unspoken, and that's when she discovered the true power of her voice and developed the Soul Health approach. Kirstie's academic accreditation include a Bachelor of Science in Business Analysis and Management, an Associate of Science in Information Technology Management and a Master's Degree from Wheaton College in Leadership, with an emphasis on intercultural communication. Let's welcome Kirstie.
Kirstie :Hi ladies, how are you? It's good to be here with you guys. I was in the back wishing I was out here, because I heard all the commotion happening and it just sounded exciting. I'm like I'm in the wrong room. I need to be in here with y'all! Y'all having a good time.
Kirstie :I do want to start with just a little bit of prayer. There's been a lot going on. Our team has been doing so much to get everything moving and going this week and I'm super thankful for them, for all of our team that's here, Tammie, Chauncy, Matthew, our girls here with SNA and everybody on the Moxie team. So just a quick prayer, God, we just thank you for today. We thank you for what you're doing and what you want to do in each one of us as women, as visionaries, as entrepreneurs and whatever spaces we're in, even if we're aspiring entrepreneurs or aspiring business owners. But we just thank you for that. We thank you for the peace and the calm that we get to walk into today and we also just thank you for the resources and the connections with other women here. We thank you and we're excited to be here today. Amen. So this approach that I'm talking about, the soul health approach is something that came from. It wasn't one of those moments where I decided, okay, let me, I'm in business, let me put something really cool together so I can make some money and sell some courses to women. It came by way of journeying and through my life, and so what happened was I had this aha moment, like we sometimes do.
Kirstie :Life is weird and challenging. Sometimes you're in these seasons where you're doing everything. You're like, okay, I'm working, I'm in my career, and then you look up and you're like, is this what I want to be doing? Am I where I want to be at? Is this it? You're just you're going through all the motions, especially if any of you are moms or if any of you are wives or anything in between. There's so much that we can be inundated with so many things all around us, there's so much noise, and so that's kind of where I was at.
Kirstie :I was like man, I'm doing all the things that people say that you're supposed to do. I'm doing all the things that culture says that you're supposed to do. I am on the worship team at my church. I'm leading, you know. I'm starting nonprofit organizations for women who've walked through abuse. I married. I'm like I have a decent income coming in for myself, have a nice home, so I've got all the things that people say that you're supposed to have to have a good, healthy, flourishing life.
Kirstie :And in the middle of all of that, nothing was making sense. I'm like how does this not make sense? Actually, sat down and made a list. I'm like, okay, here's all the things that I have. These are the things that are working and are going good for me. Even start challenging my husband. Maybe we're not supposed to be together, maybe this and he's like girl, we're going to be together. We're like we together, we're compatible and everything. I'm like man.
Kirstie :So I mean, I allowed myself to challenge everything in my life because I just didn't get it. I'm like this is supposed to be working. It's not working. So I started working on my physical health. Okay, I'm going to lose weight. If I lose weight, if I get my weight together, then I'll be where I want to be in life. Okay, got my weight together, did not work.
Kirstie :I'm still dealing with like that internal something in the background. That's like there's something more and I'm like what is this something more? I don't know what it is, you know, and I wasn't giving myself space to sit in. What is this? Something more so I love that we did the meditation with Renita. It was just so perfect. It's really how I start my mornings, like calming myself down and bringing myself into a place that is grounded, because there is so much noise all around us. You know, everything is pulling on us and it's so hard to not wake up in the morning and the first thing you do go right here. Okay, let me see what everybody's doing. Girl, they're doing the same thing that they was doing yesterday and today. You know everybody is okay. Your ex is there, okay.
Kirstie :Your mama, she okay, everybody is okay, but like making yourself get grounded and be where you need to be before everybody and everything, all the things, even my child. I love him to pieces. He talks a mile a minute but I love him to pieces. He wakes up immediately and has something to say. He wants to be all over the place and I'm like, oh no, I got to wake up before him and get my time so that, you know, I can be grounded and be where I need to be, even for him.
Kirstie :But as I was going through all this internal struggle and turmoil, I just started realizing that there's something more. It wasn't the spiritual things in our culture now, you look, everybody is increasingly all about self care, like, oh, when are we going to the next retreat? When are we going to get our nails done? Our spa days, and people are meditating and lighting incense and smudging rooms and you know, you name it. You know whatever your ritual is. You know people cook for themselves or go to church on Sundays or whatever you do. That's your ritual. Everybody is into that right now and I think it's because everybody is realizing that there's got to be something more. And even all the spiritual things aren't even connecting. I talk to people who are believers, not believers, atheists, whatever your you know your preference is. But everybody is realizing there's got to be something. There's got to be something.
Kirstie :And so, as I'm journeying, I'm like what is it? What is the? What is the more that I'm lacking? It's not. It's not my physical health, health, it's not my mental health. I'm like I'm in therapy. Therapy's going good. She's telling me all the things I don't want to hear and I'm sometimes doing them. It's not the spiritual health, because I'm like I've got mentors and guys and people that are around me. So it's not. So what is it? And so, as I was there, I'm like okay, so this feeling is what I call being a lost at sea, being shipwrecked, because that's what it feels like. It feels like you're out there and maybe you don't feel it externally, but your soul feels it and there is something and I'm just here, kind of we can look like we have it all figured out.
Kirstie :Everybody can. It doesn't matter who it is. I know some really top name people and speakers and musicians. Everybody looks like they have it figured out. But all of these leaders at home, when you're talking to them, they ain't got it figured out. You know they don't, and you know it's because we do get so inundated with the things that are around us and then we don't realize that we really got a tint to our soul. So I'm going to throw this out here for you. What even is the soul? Does anybody know what the soul is? Anybody? It's kind of weird, huh, the whole being yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good. Anybody else? Truth, truth, that's good. I like that, that's good, that is really good. All of those are right.
Kirstie :The soul is comprised of your mind, your will and your emotions, and so the soul is literally your unconscious mind, and so sometimes we have dreams, and we don't know why. We have dreams, you know, because our subconscious mind, the mind in the back, is saying something. You know, even if it's a weird dream. Maybe you were sleeping, you were on the airplane, you were eating a waffle and you're like I don't know why. I had a dream I was on the airplane in a waffle and then the waffle fell out of the sky. Then I was just weird stuff.
Kirstie :But what is your subconscious is like, speaking to you in your dreams and in the background, and in the front, in the forefront. You know we bury those things because we don't take the time to see what it is that our soul needs. So your soul is, it is your personality, it is your identity and in the society, like I said, that we live in, so many people are focused on physical health, so many people are focused on the spiritual health. But the soul connection is often disregarded or suppressed and it is super easy to suppress it. We don't think about it. I never hear anybody talking about our souls unless it's in an interesting space and they're telling you where your soul is going to go. But you don't hear people talking about the soul's connection and how disregarded or suppressed it can be.
Kirstie :But it is very easy to suppress your soul and the important thing about the soul is that it has needs and the needs of the soul are that it knows the good or the bad of the consequences. So we may not want to face it. But your soul wants to know. Okay, here's what I want to do. But what are the good and the bad? What are the takeaways, so that it can make a choice. So our subconscious mind is always working. It's always making a decision, whether it's benefiting or us or not, it is always, it's always at work. So if we are unaware of our soul's needs and desires, we can easily become shipwrecked or lost at sea or feeling like you're on this this weird island, like how in the heck did I get here?
Kirstie :What is this? What is this place in my life? And so this is really where this approach developed for me. And again it was not like, oh, I need to develop something for business and for all the things that I was Doing. I literally was at a place where I Was wrecked. You know, I let this stuff start coming up. I was like, oh, it's, it's coming up. I don't know what's going on.
Kirstie :Like all these things are happening and really what they are is like, you know, like these moments of like fracture or you know things that feel like they're a disrepair and then, as you start pulling them up, like, for me, my soul, I'm a black woman, you know, and there's things that I need, but I spent, I don't know the majority of my life doing worship music, contemporary christian music and all the things. But every stage that I stepped on, you know, the pastor or wherever, or wherever I would go, they would be like, well, could you not use vibrato? Could you kind of keep your voice like straight? We want it like, like if you could do it, just like very straight. I'm like like CeCe Winans straight, or how straight we? How straight we talking, cuz I can't go there, you know, but I did that like so for years.
Kirstie :I spent all this time like trying to, you know, make myself fit in a box and be something that I was not to fit that culture. And so culture is speaking. Culture is teaching us who we are, is teaching us to suppress. So we're socialized. From the moment we're born. We're socialized, we're told who to be, what not to be, where to go, where not to go. And all of those things come into effect when we think about our soul, because we have to think, okay, well, if this is what my parents taught, if this is what religion taught, if this is what spirituality or whatever practice or whatever thing I'm being taught, is this who I am, though? It's maybe what was put on me, but is this who I am internally? And so here I was, as a 30-something year old woman, realizing that, gosh, none of this stuff is actually me. I was like gosh, I'm at an existential crisis. I'm talking to Chauncy and I'm like why do I have this on? I would never wear this. I'm like I hate black and white, you know. I was like I mean, that's really where I was at. I was like why do I feel like I have like all these lacy shawls, like all these weird things? Because everybody at the, at the place where I was, had to wear a certain thing. You had to look a certain way. I'm like no, I'm black and I like colorful stuff. Like like, I'm like demonstrative, like I'm. My hair is all over the place. This is what I like. I don't you know, but I was at that place and it looked crazy to everybody that was around me. They're like she's on a different journey. Okay, girl, we'll let you. Well, let you do your thing, something's really going on with her, you know.
Kirstie :And so my friend circle started to change and people were like, well, you're a little different now. I'm like well, no, I'm the same person. They're like no, you're different now. I didn't know that I was changing, I just was going with what was actually coming to the surface and I'm like, okay, this black woman in here needs a space. She needs a space to communicate, a space to be, a space to grow, a space to be nourished. And when I shared that with the few people that I shared it with, they were like but you like, you're visibly black, we see that. And you are like seeing, we see you. And I'm like no, it's different, is different. There's, there's something that I need, you know. I don't know what you might need. You know, as a white woman, as you know, asian, whatever you know backgrounds that we are.
Kirstie :But I had to do that, digging like I'm a Ghanaian woman, my dad is from Ghana, and so there's all these things that I needed to deal with and make peace with and, and you know this, this theme kept coming up, home, where is your home?
Kirstie :And I'm like, well, here, you know, this cornerstone place on the corner of no, no, no, girl, where is your home? Like what's going on internally inside of you, and that was it. That was the moment for me. It was all these moments that kept coming up, and so I found my avenue is music, arts, any type of expression, and so, as this was coming up, I was already writing music, but the music that I was writing was like was all this sweet, soft, like you know, because my boy, I'm trying to be very, have my voice very straight, and so this is what I thought I was supposed to do. But as I was coming to myself and doing the work on my soul, all these songs about justice start coming up. I'm like, girl, what you can't do, that people you know, like I was just flabbergasted at you know what my soul actually wanted to say what it had something you know that it wanted to say something about.
Kirstie :I'm like justice, like justice for who, justice for everything that's happening, like in the black community, in our culture and women's rights, and you know, and the things that I didn't address when I was a little girl.
Kirstie :Like you know, I was little, so I, you know, rightfully so there's things I didn't address. But as I got older, you know, dealing with the sexual abuse, I was like I need to actually deal with this and not, you know, go to all these places, speak at all these conferences and talk to all these women and tell them how healed and how perfect I am. And if you do this, you know you can be healed and perfect too. But meanwhile I'm at home struggling.
Kirstie :I'm struggling because I've not dealt with it, I've not actually Set with it, and said this sucks, like this was something that happened to me and I need to do something about it. I never checked to see if there was like what with the statues of limitations or anything. So I went through this whole journey when I checked on all that stuff and I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm well within my rights to still do something about this. All of this was, for me, paying attention to what the soul needed. And it's that moment where you're reparenting yourself and you give yourself what you didn't get as a child. So you say, as a little girl, I didn't get to follow my dreams. So, because I didn't get to follow my dreams, I'm gonna give myself permission to do that now. Well, I wanted to paint. Well, I'm so old I can't paint. Now, well, I'm gonna try to paint, I'm gonna learn it. Even if it's two, three days or you know what, I'm gonna at least try it out. And if I don't like it, I won't do it. You know, I go to do something else. Or when I was a child, we couldn't go on vacations because we were poor and other things were took precedence. So we didn't do those type of things. So, but now I can give myself what I didn't have as a child I can talk to that little girl. I can be the wise guide that she didn't have, the wise mentor that she didn't have. And I could be the 30, 40, 50, 60 year old woman and say hey, guess what? You're okay, you're safe, you're home, you have a home here, you're safe, you're guided. I'm guiding you because sometimes that little girl can get out of control. She can be emotional, she can be irate, she wants what she wants and it's not always wise. So she needs a wise guy, she needs you, she needs the 30, 40, 25, 19 year old whoever to talk to her and say you can have these things, but here's how we're gonna do it. We're gonna put a plan in place to get here. Or hey, this situation was not fair or this wasn't just, but here's how we're gonna do it in a mature way. Now that we are where we're at right now, it's crazy.
Kirstie :It's crazy how, how powerful it is to look deep within yourself. So many people say looking inside yourself can, like it can cause so much harm. I don't know about that. Looking inside yourself and doing work on your soul and your own personal development, not just the, the, the five areas of personal development that everybody talks about, which is the, the mental, the social, the spiritual, emotional and physical. I always add the sixth one, which is the soul health. It has to be, and so the soul health is really. It's all about going deep, doing that inner work, feeling, really feeling to heal, and I believe that there is not a way to be a woman in business and really thrive and build something that's sustainable and Something that is lasting Without doing the work you can. Here's the thing you can build all day long. I've built a lot of stuff like I just like building businesses, I like starting businesses, I like running businesses. It's a good time for me. However, I've built stuff that I don't ever want to do again.
Kirstie :I was an event planner for a ton of years and while I was doing it, I was like I actually really hate this, and then I had my husband, being the event planner, like sourced him out. I'm like, hey, so here's what I need you to do, I need you to take talk to these ladies. And he's like listen, I don't do weddings. What is this? I'm like shoot me either. Like we need. I need to quit this job. This ain't it, and he's here to testify. We. I did. Yeah, I had to let that business go. It's crazy because I still get calls now like, hey, could you play my wedding? I'm like, how are y'all finding my information out here? I'm like looking on the website is trying to delete everything. I'm like I'm not doing no weddings, but there's, there's those things, guys, that we can. We can build stuff that has no purpose and absolutely no meaning, and everything that you do.
Kirstie :I'm sure you wanted to have legacy, I'm sure you want to have a lasting impact and so, and that's sustainable, those are the things that are that are sustainable. And as I was building freedom sessions, which is, you know, my clothing brand, it actually started as a nonprofit, but as I was building it, I took some trips to India. I got to meet some women who were in sex trafficking and different things like that. But I also met some women who were in the clothing industry, making clothes, and and I realized like, wow, they are not getting a sustainable wage. And I was like these women are bosses, they legit are bosses. And I'm like, well, I'm just watching them. They're working, they have men working for them, they have all these people working for them and they're making nothing and working all day long.
Kirstie :And then I came back to the US and I was like, wow, now what's the difference between them and the women here in the US? And I just kept seeing similarities, even though we have so much more. We got to be honest, you know, we have a lot more than a lot of people, a lot of women in third-world countries. But coming back home, I was like, wow, we all need the same thing, which is we need ethical wages, we need to be paid, we need all this despair treatment, all these things. Socially, we need it. But I'm like, what is sustainable for women? What can women carry? Yeah, I can do the nonprofit thing and I can keep putting money in women's hands, but how does this build a legacy? How is this building something for them?
Kirstie :And so that was my switch to turn Freedom Fleur into the brand that, okay, these women need something where they can be educated, upskilled and resourced and they can keep their dignity. You know it's different. When somebody is giving you money. You're like, ah, let me, let me try to get that back to you. Or you know it's, it's wired within us. We want our dignity and I'm like I've got to do what it takes for other women to have. I would want to pay. If you gave me a thousand dollars, I'm gonna be trying to get that back to you immediately.
Kirstie :And so that was my thought process. Like women need their dignity restored. How do we do that? We allow them a space where they can build, a space where they can grow, they can upskill and they can do the things that they, they need to do for themselves, um, but while we're talking about upskilling and these women who are powerhouses and visionaries, um, I realized that too, that there's so many women around the world who are our visionaries. And what is this, this visionary woman? And that there is no such thing as being a visionary without being a woman that has sight, you know, without looking inside yourself and looking around and seeing how you can change the world, being strategic and, uh, taking risk and being the woman that you want to be, like, being that woman on your own terms, um, and so that that is. That's really the whole, the whole, my whole wrestling and my whole point behind Freedom Sessions and my whole heart behind the FF social club. Our, our platform, where we resource women, is that women can find a place where they can transform their souls, and there's a ton of resources and things in there that you can do.
Kirstie :Of course, I love the guided meditations, I love the all the spiritual things that you can do, but for me, it's like you got to go deep first to build the external thing. So, if we have time I don't know if we do we have time a few minutes, a few times. Okay, if we've got some time I want us to do. It's just a small exercise where we write down what you want out of life, who you want to be. This is you talking to your soul. It's not externally what you're actually doing right now. It's not, hey, right now I'm a executive or I'm a CEO, but what is the internal thing that you want to do? Maybe you didn't get to do it, or maybe you need the courage to do it, or the resources, because sometimes we don't give things a fair shake because we're like it takes a lot of money to do this. So I'm not even gonna. I'm not gonna go that direction, but allow yourself this space to like really dream. Like what's the big fat Harry dream? That's like this is just what I am, this is what I want out of life. Okay, and then? So, after you've written that down, just write out two or three ways that you can actually achieve that goal. And the last thing is to write down the name of a person you feel you can be accountable to of course, yourself, that's always, we always start there but this person can be a close friend, or just gotta be somebody, supportive number one, a spouse or a therapist, but somebody that you can let know about this goal and let know that you are Internally and externally dedicated to see these things happen. Okay, everybody got something down.
Kirstie :Okay, did anybody find, as you're thinking about your soul, who you are as a person, your internal wrestling's? Was there anything that came up if you want to share? Is there anything that came up that you feel like this is something new or something that I haven't yet tapped into, that I want to tap into? You're like now, we got this, I'm doing a girl, I LOVE it. Okay, so I have right here some, some tools for finding your voice and transforming your soul.
Kirstie :Very simple the first thing is listening to your internal wrestling and following those frictions. Listening to those internal wrestling's, following the friction we've heard that before like follow your frustrations, they're gonna lead you to your passions and and all that okay. The second is being willing to adventure, being willing to make mistakes, being willing to fail forward. I don't know anybody that likes to fail, just being real, but that's a part of the process, as part of the journey. And the third one is Reparenting yourself. Reparenting yourself, always bringing this one up because you know as much as we.
Kirstie :Some of us have like really amazing home environments or had really amazing home environments. None of us got out on scaves. I'm sorry, it doesn't matter what it is. It's a little trauma, big trauma, or we didn't get everything we possibly could have needed out of our childhoods, and so I don't want that to be the thing that hinders us from moving forward in life as women. I don't want it to be. Okay, let me get revenge on my parents or whoever the things are, or you know, spend all this time in this, the cycle of the frustration of what I didn't get or the things that happen. But how you can actually build upon those. That's the point with reparenting that inner child is getting what you didn't get, and I'm giving it to yourself, and that is radical responsibility. That's what I call that taking radical ownership and radical responsibility of our own lives.
Kirstie :Okay, the next one is not forsaking your internal guide, which I call a beacon. Your internal guide is a beacon. So in a lot of spaces, this internal guide is people call it all kinds of things people say your Internal light is is God within you? Your internal light is you as a light worker. All these different things and in different, different spaces. But the point is, we are always looking out for somebody to guide us wherever we go. We're always looking out, but the point is to you become the guide. You look inside. What does my soul actually need? And give yourself those things. Okay, my soul is needing something. I Love jazz. I love, you know, r&b and soul music and all those things. So I need that. My soul actually needs it. As a black woman, I need to be around other black women who are in business. I need to be around other CEOs. You know all those type of things. So there are things that our soul is longing for that sometimes we suppress, that we have to go out and get and make sure that we get those things.
Kirstie :And then the last little piece is bringing in additional support along the way on your journey. And then I never start with this one first, because I, again, I feel like starting first is with yourself. You do the work. You know it's okay to have guys and people walking with you, but I think we become so dependent on people guiding us and telling us what to do that we need to build that culture of us getting what we need first. And then, as we're going along the journey and we're like, wow, I need, like, I don't know anything about reparenting. So you know, I don't know anything about this and I need some help with this because of what I went through as a kid or, you know, as an adult, I need this and you'll go find those business classes or those courses or whatever the things are that you need, but bring in additional support later on in the journey when you you know what it is that you're lacking.
Kirstie :Okay, well, that is the end of my talk, but the biggest thing I want to get to you, ladies, is that you can find your voice. You don't have to look for it externally and have everybody else giving you the words and all the things, which those are great. You listen to affirmations and all those things, but keep in focus. What does your soul need? What do I need to flourish? How can I become the best me, which is going to lead you to a transform life and build sustainable businesses and sustainable family models and different things like that? So, thank you so much. Oh, yes, okay, he's my advocate right there. Okay, okay, my website. Nice, that's me, in the suit. I'm wearing a suit that I designed. I just want to say I cannot fit the pants to them because the baby is "babying.
Kirstie :But we do have a platform called the FF Social Club which is in beta testing right now. So we have developers who are developing like the web three side of it and all that. So it's a virtual space where women can come together and do all the things kind of my brain child. But right now we have, if you type in the ffsocialc lub. com, you'll see the aspiring founder and the current founder, like if you're founder CEO. Right now there's two different things, two different ways you can join because we have different sets of needs, yeah, and then I have courses coming out soon about the soul health approach. That'll be on here soon. My creative director is back here somewhere working all his magic on all those things.
Kirstie :And what else, guys, is that it? Oh, yeah, so our next Freedom session is actually going to be in Mexico, in Tulum. So we're super excited about that. Whether partners in Mexico, some of you guys may be like, have you seen the news and do you know what's happening in Mexico? Because, baby, I'm not coming. But Tulum is a different space and we don't have to talk about the cartel, because it's just a different situation in Tulum, but we are going to Mexico.
Kirstie :Granted, everything will be, you know, good then, but we're excited about it. It's really a soul health retreat for women in business, and so, if you have interest in that, that'll be coming up soon as well, that is, in the Spring 2024. So, yeah, thank you, ladies. Thanks for listening and joining the conversation today here on the Visionary Woman podcast. If you enjoyed this episode and would like to join our growing community, the FF Social Club, please comment, like and subscribe so that you can be updated on our upcoming episode and more happening over at kirstiefleur. com. To catch the latest from me and to access amazing resources for visionaries just like yourself, please visit me on the web at www. KirstieFleur. com. Thanks again for hanging out with me and I'll see you next time. Until then, don't forget to be visionary.