Friendship, Regret, and The Badger Who Saw Everything

This week on Chitty Chat, Emma & Bobo reunite with their schoolmate Justin—aka “The Badger”—to celebrate 40+ years of friendship, bad decisions, and stories that should probably stay buried.

From schoolyard chaos to marriages, divorces, kids, distance (Sydney to New Zealand), and the occasional argument that absolutely should’ve ended things but didn’t, they unpack what long-term friendship really looks like: messy, loyal, hilarious, and slightly unhinged.

With prosecco discoveries, beer debates, and relentless teasing, it’s a funny, heartfelt reminder that real friends know your entire history… and still pick up your call.

Grab a drink, call your oldest mate, and join us for The Badger’s in Town—because some friendships survive purely out of love… and mutual blackmail.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

With over thirty-five years of friendship, four marriages, two divorces, and three children between them, there's pretty much no subject that these two have left untouched. In fact, it is a miracle that they've not run out of things to say. A weekly three-hour walk with lots of chit and chat led to the birth of the Chitty Chat podcast. Loaded with enthusiasm and fun, each week Emma and Bobo pick a subject for a deep dive. A few tangents with lots of wisdom and laughter along the way.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

And me, Emma Cantero. Hello, Emma. Now today it's a very special episode. We've got a special guest today. We're joined by Justin from New Zealand. Now Justin is known as The Badger, and we'll get into why he's known as The Badger very soon. But today, what's today's episode about, Emma? Well, we have known Justin.

SPEAKER_02 1:05

Well, first of all, Justin, hello.

SPEAKER_04 1:07

Hi. Thank you for having me on Tuesday.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

We're delighted that you're here today with us in the studio. We've been, you know, wanting to get Justin here for a long time. Justin is actually one of our very old school friends who is now, well, been living in Auckland, New Zealand for a very long time, and obviously we're Sydney, Australia. And today's episode's going to be about friendship, Vobo. We're going to talk about friendship. You know, all warts and all about friendship.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

Excellent. My theory is by the end of the episode we'll have fought and we won't be friends anymore.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

But there is that there is a danger in that.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

There is danger.

SPEAKER_02 1:42

Friendship danger. Before we start, we have glasses. Sometimes we do, as those that listen, and I Justin, I believe you're one of our listeners.

SPEAKER_03 1:49

I am.

SPEAKER_02 1:50

He is indeed. We often do a podcast prosecco or a cup of tea. Today we do have podcast prosecco to celebrate our special guest. You're on a beer. But I just before we start, I'm delighted that we've actually found prosecco in a can today.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

And why are you delighted by that?

SPEAKER_02 2:06

Well, I went I quite like those little piccolo bottles that we've discovered because they sort of limit your drinking, don't they? It's like, oh have one of those rather than a we open a big bottle between us. Went into the bottle shop, they didn't have anything, but they had these cans of prosecco, which I think. You're saying you went into a bottle shop, they had nothing. Oh, they had no, they had lots of sparkling um prosecco and did they have any other drinks in the bottle shop? But I was delighted to find prosecco in a can which just tastes like it's coming out of a bottle. So this is Brown Brothers, King Valley Prosecco.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

Who would have known?

SPEAKER_02 2:37

Who would have known? Loving it. And Justin. Very good.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

Are you on Prosecco with us?

SPEAKER_04 2:43

No, I I'm sticking to a Peroni, thanks.

SPEAKER_01 2:46

Not a bubbles drinker.

SPEAKER_04 2:48

Not a bubbles drinker, no. Too dry for me.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

So let's get into it because I I'm excited that you're here. Obviously, Emma and I have been friends since we were at school. Justin was also at school with us. So do you think do you remember being good friends with us at school?

SPEAKER_04 3:06

Well I enjoyed school and I felt I was friends with everybody. I can't think of anybody that I didn't get on with within our year at school. So I'd have said yes. But in terms of you know regularly hanging out together, you weren't inviting me clothes shopping at the weekend, for example, but No, there was a reason for that. But you know, when I had a party or whatever, you guys came along and invited. We got an invite, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

And you did throw a good party. Yeah. I remember there was one party that you had after uni that we all went back to, and I remember being sick in your mum and dad's toilet because someone someone tried to fit feed me whiskey, and I've never drunk whiskey since. And I drank like two glasses of whiskey and I spent the rest of the night being sick. Vomiting away. In the toilet. Actually, no, it wasn't your house, it was Emma Harrison's. Oh, wrong place, wrong place. No, it was Emma's house, and she was really upset with me because they had carpet in the toilet, and she thought her mum and dad would know that she'd had a party. Oh, I do apologise.

SPEAKER_04 4:13

Break the coffee table at that one.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

I think someone might have broken the coffee table.

SPEAKER_02 4:17

There were some good parties back in the days, and this is like we were thrown together, and we're not going to age anyone here, but we were thrown together at school in the 80s. Yep. You know, we are you know, we're Generation X, let's let's be honest. Boba and I are looking good for it, but we are generation, very good for it. Justin, what uh when you think back to the 80s, what what what springs to mind? Like what you know, what what comes to thought for you in that decade?

SPEAKER_04 4:43

It would have been as I said at school, which was good fun. Um playing rugby, very intimate sport back then.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

Um did you feel it was a prosperous time in life? Can you get back to Britain in the 80s? What what was going on? What was you know it was Thatcher's Britain?

SPEAKER_04 5:01

Did that have an impact on prosperity around and there was a definite incline, but it it went downhill towards the end. It did. And then I think that the minor strike um come to mind, but I think more so because they're analysed later in life more than your day-to-day living. I mean when people talk about the sixes and the fact that there are drugs everywhere, you talk to some people and it's like never saw any drugs whatsoever.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

I never see any drugs. I miss out on everything.

SPEAKER_04 5:38

The Wall Street City Boy type image, with fast cars.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

It is very different times now with a technology change. I think that's probably one of the biggest things I remember is that we managed to have friendships across a a big geographical area, because our school took from a large geographic area, and we managed friendships without the mobile phone.

SPEAKER_04 6:01

You know, we managed friendships with bicycles and um you you arranged to do something and you met somewhere, and you all got there whatever way it was.

SPEAKER_02 6:12

Like magic, really. Yeah. Magic. Portholes would have been useful. So and over the you know, Bobo and I moved to emigrated to Australia, and people that are regular listeners know that you know that's because we we travelled here, met our initial husbands here and stayed here.

SPEAKER_04 6:28

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 6:29

You now live in or how long have you lived in Auckland, Justin?

SPEAKER_04 6:32

For twenty it'd be twenty-three years this August.

SPEAKER_02 6:37

And what and tell us about your journey to emigrating to New Zealand.

SPEAKER_04 6:42

So I met my wife who comes from hometown of Bracknell in a near town called Reading.

SPEAKER_02 6:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:50

Um, her mum and stepdad had moved to New Zealand when she was 18, and she stayed in England job, boyfriend, etc. Um And so we by the time that we started dating, they'd actually moved to Australia. In fact, I think they'd only just moved to Australia, so we came out to see them on holiday a couple of times and then ended up getting married out there because it it's obviously the the bride's prerogative to be married where her mother is. Um but by then, or just before then, we'd actually applied to come out to New Zealand and we were fairly confident that we would get in.

SPEAKER_01 7:35

They'll take anyone to be honest, won't they?

SPEAKER_04 7:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

Um especially if you like sheep. Did they ask you that? Was that one of the questions? How much do you like sheep? Do you just like them a little bit? A lot, or I really like sheep.

SPEAKER_04 7:50

There's more sheep here than there are over there. Really? Yeah. It's a cow country now.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

Oh more money in cows.

SPEAKER_04 7:56

More money in cows. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

It's the milk.

SPEAKER_04 8:00

So I pretty much because I'd never been to New Zealand before we decided to move there, pretty much followed my wife. Um obviously we talked about it and discussed it, and um my attitude was very much well, we'll give it a go.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

Do you regret it?

SPEAKER_04 8:15

No, not at all. I mean it's a I find it an easier lifestyle. And um I think my wife Donna does as well. Um and therefore it takes just some of the day-to-day pressures off life that you get living elsewhere.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

Um, well I obviously find that. I have no pressures of life.

SPEAKER_02 8:39

So no, well, I'm just gonna bring us back to the friendship. Prior to pressures of life. Prior today's episode we had a little bit of a chat because obviously we met at school, then you know, we some of us went to uni, moved away from home, not in that our hometown. But you know, you generosity of Justin often had parties, so you know, even after you know, uni and during uni came back, you know, met up with Justin. But then I think there was a bit of be fair to say there's a bit of a gap where we probably didn't see you for certainly or even you weren't on our radar for a while, which is hard to believe, hard to believe, or we weren't on your radar, because it was probably not until I'd say the late 90s that when you and your wife Donna came to a wedding, actually of a mutual friend.

SPEAKER_04 9:25

Yeah, it would have been 90.

SPEAKER_02 9:26

That we re-re connected.

SPEAKER_04 9:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:29

So I guess the big question is you know, if we met today, like you never met, do you think we'd be friends? Would you become friends with us? Or is it just by proximity that we've just been chucked together?

SPEAKER_04 9:41

Oh, uh I think one of the things that helps a friendship endure. I mean, you know, we had a good school year. We did very close. It was quite sexual. It was only sixty. Sexual or social? Social.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

Oh social. Because I missed out on the sexual thing as well as the drugs if it was. I'm just I'm missing out on a very sheltered life, maybe.

SPEAKER_04 10:02

So because it was a small year, you pretty much knew everybody.

SPEAKER_05 10:07

And you also had similar backgrounds.

SPEAKER_04 10:13

I mean there was sort of some some diversity in the school, but not massively. And so you sort of end up with similar values and similar outlooks on life. And you know, in the same way that I'm now living in New Zealand and you two are living in Sydney, whether that says something about us as people, you know, prepared to get things a go, a little adventurous. Very true. I like that. And you I also think the more people travel, the more the world leave you and the understanding they get, even if it's still only snippets. So yeah, I think if we met in a bar and ended up chatting, then by the end of the night, you'd be wanting to take my number.

SPEAKER_02 11:01

So indeed, we would. So yeah, because I think it's probably fair to say there's probably a fifty almost like a 15-year not fifteen years, but like from when we no ten years, I'd probably say a 10-year gap from when we, you know, left school and then didn't really see each other. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

But we always knew what he was under. A network of our friends.

SPEAKER_02 11:19

We had a network of friends, so we connected and we all knew he was doing what which was good. But in those 10 years, do you think Bobo and I changed? Like when you you know come came back.

SPEAKER_04 11:31

See, I think one of the beauties is that when we catch up with you guys, or or people that knew from school but see even less, like the occasional every ten once every ten years, it's amazing how easy it is to pick up just where you left off a bit of banter, a bit of acceptance, a bit of interest in what people are doing. I mean, I think that is one of the keys is the fact if you take an interest in somebody else, that's one of the things I think that leads towards friendship.

SPEAKER_02 12:03

I think so, and I think you're right. I think with real friends, you m you can actually just pick up where you left off. You may not have actually been in touch that much for whatever you're like, you're not living in the same country, you're not, you know, necessarily texting all the time, but you see each other and it just the friendship just picks up. That to me is like true friendship, isn't it? You don't know what to do. It's like every time I see you. Well, I see you nearly every day. I know, and that's why we just picked up from the day before. From where we left off. Yes. And I think you're right, I think our values, you know, are quite aligned still, which is lovely.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

Um but I always thought you were adventurous because I remember again back from those days, the things that I remember are the the crazy things we did. Like we once went cycling in a summer holiday, I think it was after school, we cycled to Henley, which is miles away. And I remember doing that cycle, and I remember cycling somewhere to Ascort or something, and we were cycling there, and I remember picking you up. I got my bike and I picked you up on the way, and I and we were cycling at night to something, yeah. And then the other one we did was we did a we did a uh overnight walk with Gavin for past um past the mental place in Crothor. The mental place I think it wasn't. Let's go to Broadmoor. We we got the train to Wokingham.

SPEAKER_02 13:16

Actually, we need to pause there because obviously not all our listeners know that Broad we live near Broadmoor, which is one of the max maximum security prisons in the UK, which has houses many houses. Some serial killers, let's be honest. Pete Sutliff Jack the Riffer was there. The Cray brothers, were the Cray brothers there, or am I making that up? I think you'd probably make it up. Some you know, some pretty there's some pretty high-level maximum security prisoners, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:46

Yeah type of criminal.

SPEAKER_02 13:47

Yeah, not not nice, not nice people.

SPEAKER_01 13:49

But we did hike near it at night because we hiked on the way to it. And you you hid tents or something in the forest. And I remember that we we got on the train, we went to Wokey, which is the town next town, and then we walked back. We walked across farmers' fields and all sorts, and it was late at night. We got stopped by the police about four times. I had to go to the toilet in a bush at one point, which came back to bite me later when I got to York.

SPEAKER_04 14:14

Lucky you didn't get bitten while having a wee in the bush.

SPEAKER_01 14:17

Well, I did have some sort of incident because the next morning when we did get back to your mum and dad's and I went to the toilet again, I couldn't get my knickers off because my knickers had got stuck to my bottom from the blood from the rosebush that I'd been for a wee in. So I I went for a wee in a rose bush, prickled my bottom. My bottom, then you know, the knickers got stuck with the prickly bottom, and then um I couldn't go to the toilet. And I remember getting to your mum and dad's house and not being able to get my knickers off and wondering what was going on. I don't think I have no idea where I was. You didn't come on. It was a it was a really crazy one that we did, but when we got to the forest in the middle of the night after being stopped several times by the police, it was like 1am, and you said it's alright, I've got the tents somewhere, and you couldn't find where you'd hidden the tents, and I actually don't know that you hid tents.

SPEAKER_04 15:02

No, I don't think I did.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

I've got no idea what we did.

SPEAKER_04 15:05

I've got a scout, you see, so I probably thought we should bival wet.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

You must have hidden the tents somewhere and we must have found them because we didn't end up going back to your mum and dad's till the morning.

SPEAKER_04 15:12

No, but I think we walked most of the night.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

We did walk all night, yeah. Looking for the bloody tents. We couldn't find the tents that you'd hidden. Oh anyway, I I just remember those big moments when we just did stupid stuff. Yeah. That that you were always sort of in the thick of it, leading the trouble and causing the trouble.

SPEAKER_04 15:32

Because I stayed in Bracknell, and you know, again, most people's parents they come back to sea, even if they've gone off to university or they're gone travelling or whatever, they gravitate back towards Bracknell, Wokingham, that sort of an area to see their folks. And so I was always around. So if people were doing stuff, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

It's Justin, you were the connector, a little bit of a connector, I'd say.

SPEAKER_04 15:56

Wouldn't be the person doing the work, but would always be available to do whatever was going on.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

Always available, there we go. Maybe you could carry a t-shirt with that. I'm always available. Well, my name's Justin.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

Always available. But look, I mean, since obviously the late 90s we've remained friends, you know, quite which is a long time actually now, like you know, and in in long friendships, particular roles sort of calcify, if you like, or come to fruition. And they say that you know someone becomes the fixer, someone vents, and someone avoids. So I guess Justin, I'm gonna say, in you know, in in our sort of friendship trio, if you like, who would you think would be you know the emotional sponge in this? Who would who gives you energy, who draws you away from that energy?

SPEAKER_04 16:42

And you're on the I don't I don't find anyone that that actually uh perhaps we don't see each other enough. No um and I've got to say I'm quite lucky I don't often need uh much emotional support. Um my wife provides it when I do.

SPEAKER_03 17:02

We won't go into a quiet house, so not on air.

SPEAKER_04 17:07

And I suppose it especially when we come in here or when we meet up, there's it's always a holiday vibe as well.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

Yeah, we're not really offloading on you know, our trials and tribulations, if you like, are we?

SPEAKER_04 17:20

But we're comfortable enough with each other, I feel, to probably talk about almost anything, you know, whether it's it's operations you have or weight loss or um whatever happens to be going on with you at the same time. Issue with the kids and and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

So do you think it's possible for men and women truly to be friends though? Because a lot of people say, Oh, you know, you can't have a friendship with someone of the opposite sex, you know, there's always a sexual thing there. But I uh from your point of view, I mean I've I've always seen you as a friend. I've never seen you as a a potential partner in that way.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

Are you saying you don't find Justin attractive?

SPEAKER_04 18:00

Well, I mean You haven't spent enough time looking at my calves.

SPEAKER_01 18:04

Well uh he does have, apparently, he has the most spectacular. No, I didn't realize I didn't realise that until today. Um when he's informed me about the spectacular calves that he has. Um But do you think it's possible to have a proper friendship with a woman and not, you know, just a friendship?

SPEAKER_04 18:23

Well, I think it is. Um and you know, because even if there are, say, sexual thoughts there, then Hello That's obviously for Emma not me then. We're not being hypothetical here. Um but even if there are sexual thoughts there, it's not an action thing or it doesn't change your interaction uh with those people.

SPEAKER_02 18:47

I've never had one of those dreams with you in it.

SPEAKER_04 18:49

Sorry No one's Don actually dreams about being sucked in by the wall of the pool and I'm getting it. And that's fine.

SPEAKER_01 19:05

It's a bit like getting it like I might not get the same thing. I was thinking, well, maybe tonight because we can't do the same now.

SPEAKER_04 19:12

We're gonna have one of those dreams and you're gonna be the uh that tells you by the time if you like our friendship re-engaged and and we were coming over here to see with us, we have to you've all got your partners and again come back to those morals, if you like, those uh those shared ideas. Um it's it's territory that you wouldn't go near. You know, even if if I was a single man, you know, then knowing that you or Emma sorry it doesn't work pointing, does it on the radio? So Bobo or Emma are in a stable relationship, why would I look to jeopardise what is obviously making you happy? Now, if I thought you were in an awful relationship, I would like to think I would have enough gumption to say something about it to you, take you aside, check you okay, um uh but not with necessarily intent for me, but more concern for you.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

Oh, you see, that is the mark of a true friend.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

And I think because we went to a co-ed school, you know, they probably comfortable with that position. Yeah, we were like very used to having male friends, male friends, companions, whatever, and having that bad. Being idiots with men, so boys and things weren't something with someone to impress, they were just someone who's there to to have a laugh with it. Because I have definitely had male friends where there was probably has been some attraction. I thought I actually don't want to ruin the friendship, so I haven't actually gone there, could have gone there and then.

SPEAKER_01 20:45

Is this what you're trying to tell Justin now? After all these years.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

After all these years, Justin, she's coming clean. So uh but look, this is not I'm this is not so much for you, Justin, but obviously friends that have been, you know, we've you've been friends for for a long time and Bobo, we've been friends for a long, long time, and we've never actually delved into this, but I'm gonna talk about you know in terms of there's sometimes there can be jealousy between friends, believe it or not. Believe can you believe that? So I've gone.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

I can.

SPEAKER_02 21:17

Is there anything that you've ever been jealous about me? Well, I'm always that you haven't said, you can say it now on air. Come on.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

Well, you know I'm jealous of your hair.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

Yeah, but that's because I've had it like chemically straightened. It's not real, it's not real, people.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

You always have immaculate hair and I don't know how you do it. And I'm always very jealous of your hair. She comes out and she goes, Oh, I haven't done my hair. And I'm looking at it going, I can't see a f a strander and a place. Oh. So I've always been very jealous of your hair. I'm also very jealous of your height. Oh. I can't reach you know, as was noted today, but Justin's staying with me at the moment. I can't re he's laughing at the kitchen, going, You can't go past the first shelf, can you? No, I can't, you know. I can't reach the second shelf. I can't reach. The shelf in supermarket. It says height height in hair. I can't see things in a crowd that you can see. We've gone to concerts and you're like, oh, look at that, it's brilliant. And I'm like, all I can see is the the person. Yeah, exactly. Well, not quite I'm not that sure, but I see the arsenals.

SPEAKER_04 22:15

Some people are very tall, their arsenals are quite high.

SPEAKER_01 22:18

Yeah, yeah. Um but yeah, so height in hair, I think, you know. And I do think I'm also um quite jealous of your um creativity and and um creativity. Or my my paintings. Not your paintings, but you know, you can you can do good banter and blurb. You're very good at banter and blurb.

SPEAKER_04 22:36

Go on, tell us she's funny, she'll like that.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Oh, I love a bit, I am very good. Well, I don't think she's as funny as me. So I'm not jealous of that. She's not as funny as well. Sorry, but that's what I'm jealous of. Justin, what I'm jealous of, Justin. I am jealous of your car. Well, not jealous, but I I admire your um acceptance of of who you are, and um not afraid to have a crazy plan and follow it through. Yeah, you know, a lot of people would have a crazy plan and go, do you know what? That's really closy, let's not do that. You'll go it's crazy, but let's do it.

SPEAKER_02 23:05

We do have a zest for life, and I I think that's great. Not saying that we don't, but I think you know, you just have this zest for life, positive energy.

SPEAKER_04 23:12

If somebody else wants to organise it, I'm gonna feel good.

SPEAKER_02 23:14

And it's been just you know, very good fun, really. Come on, what are you jealous of? Oh well I thought about this because I thought you know, wrote our sort of you know, kept us to try and keep us on thing. I wrote, you know, wrote this stuff. And I thought, look, I've been jealous of how when we used to go travelling, we've obviously travelled a lot, how brown you used to go when I didn't. So Bobo, you've got you do have olive skin, beautiful olive skin. And like I remember when we went back, you know, we backpacked for three months through Asia, like India, Thailand, blah de blah. And of course, we met up with people, they'd look at Bobo, it's like, oh, how long have you been on the road? You must be on the road for months, you know, and like, oh yes, we've been going for two months. Then they look at me like, Oh, did you fly over last week? And I'm like, going, what the fuck? And for me, you know, the tan lines were quite so that I mean silly, isn't it? Silly back then, in your twenties.

SPEAKER_01 24:02

It got me in trouble in India because I looked like a high caste Indian because I had dark skin but a lighter skin, so I wasn't a uh so it was sort of a higher caste. You didn't have the freckles, and and therefore it got me in that got me in trouble. That got you in trouble. I know a lot of people wanted to marry you, it got us in trouble. We did have a couple of marriage proposals and a strange man look at my foot. Um I don't really know what he was doing. He claimed he was telling my fortune. I think Justin's got something to say.

SPEAKER_04 24:29

Well, I was thinking that you could almost turn that question around and say, and this might be.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

What do you admire about someone?

SPEAKER_04 24:37

No, no. What do you think Bobo might be jealous of you about, and what do you think Emma might be jealous of you about?

SPEAKER_01 24:46

We're gonna ask that. What do you think that I might be as jealous of me about? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:51

Hang on a minute. That's like, is my ass big in this?

SPEAKER_01 24:58

Actually, that's a good question. Do you think I've got a bigger ass than Emma?

unknown 25:03

No.

SPEAKER_04 25:03

Well, if you'd have asked me this six months ago, I'd have said without question, yes. And now no. And now very much no.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

It's hard to see, my.

SPEAKER_04 25:11

I've got a perfect photo from last time. My arse was bigger. Of yours, Donna's and Bobo's asses walking down the street. So I'll I'll be able to do some research.

SPEAKER_01 25:19

You can re do some research on that. Um so what do you think we're jealous of you for then? Let's do it to you first.

SPEAKER_04 25:25

I don't know that you're not.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

Anyone would be jealous of you? Why not? It might not be your hair.

SPEAKER_04 25:29

Because hey It's not often that you're jealous across genders, I don't think.

SPEAKER_02 25:34

No, I don't think so. I mean, it can be.

SPEAKER_04 25:36

So I I mean I look at life and I'm pretty comfortable with myself. But there are certain people I come across from time to time who I think, well actually, if I was going to be somebody else, they're a person.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

And is it okay? Other men. So you do you look at other men and go, ooh, ooh.

SPEAKER_04 25:53

Yeah, so uh a friend of ours, um Rani. No, but but he's a he's a really nice guy, uh he's smart, earns well, he's good to his wife, surfs, which is you know, so he's quite cool as well. And I think he's one of the few people in life I don't really see any fault with as as a comparison thing. So there might be a guy that might earn half a million quid a year, but he's uh working 18 hours a week and never sees his wife and children. You want a balance, isn't it? Or you know, uh the guy that's a hippie and he's loving and all the rest of it, but he can't put food on the table.

SPEAKER_05 26:37

Well, I'll need whereas I think I'd provide a bit of a balance.

SPEAKER_04 26:43

So there are occasional people I meet in life that I think are actually just I wouldn't even say I was jealous, but I would say I was admiring of them.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

Yeah, I think that's more of a thing, isn't it? Yeah, I think jealousy is when you're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_02 26:58

I mean, I always when I was younger, I was always a bit Bobo you're a very good flirter when she was younger. You Dustin, you probably remember that.

SPEAKER_04 27:04

She wasn't flirt with me.

SPEAKER_01 27:06

Shouldn't flirt with you, but she was like she's like I have any flirting capacity or capability at all. This is the weird thing. I I think I am the worst flirter.

SPEAKER_04 27:18

But isn't it so like when they say, Oh, if you're looking for a girlfriend, you're never gonna find one. When you're not looking, you do, because actually you're just being yourself and that comes across well.

SPEAKER_01 27:28

So that's I don't think I've got flirting capabilities at all. Yes, he's really oh you do.

SPEAKER_04 27:33

Well you must have had, how did you win Andy?

SPEAKER_02 27:35

Exactly. I didn't give him a choice, actually. Um now before we continue, do we need a little interview? An interview, a little um interval for our listeners so we can top up glasses and we'll be back. Sounds great. So everyone out there, if you need to get a cup of tea, um I can recommend the Brown Brothers King Valley Prosecco in a can. Um Justin, what can you recommend?

SPEAKER_04 28:00

I can recommend a parony in a bottle, didn't we?

SPEAKER_02 28:03

In a bottle, we will back be back shortly. We have glasses.

SPEAKER_01 28:07

Do you think that's why you're drinking from cans and bottles?

SPEAKER_02 28:09

Because we don't have problems. Probably. And we'll be back for more on friendship very soon. And welcome back to Chitty Chat, where we're delighted again to have Justin, our very good friend Justin from New Zealand, talking about friendship today. We've recharged our glasses. Justin, you have not had another beer. Is this can you just you know we're a bit clear? Someone that declines a beer, what's going on?

SPEAKER_04 28:45

I did have a beer before I came out.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

Right, good work.

SPEAKER_04 28:48

And I'm halfway through this, and it's not Guinness. If it was Guinness, I'll be on my third pint by now, so quite.

SPEAKER_02 28:54

Have you always liked Guinness?

SPEAKER_04 28:56

Oh, I had a yeah, when a f from when I first started drinking it, um I went over to Ireland with an Irish girlfriend at the time that in fact you introduced me to.

SPEAKER_02 29:06

Because we saw you up in London. Did I? Judy? Popo's got very little memory. Oh, I've got very little memory. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:13

Well when you had a place in London, I came to a party at yours in London.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

Oh, I think I do vaguely remember that. In Balaam. Balaam. Oh, so she Emma would have been at that party. Was it a doctor's and nurses party?

SPEAKER_04 29:29

No.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Was it the Toga party?

SPEAKER_04 29:31

I don't think so. I'd have turned up on my motorbike in my motor gear, regardless of what was.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Regardless of what power party it was. Oh.

unknown 29:40

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

Well no, yeah, I don't know. I can't remember any other good parties I had, but obviously I did. Oh, and that's how you got into Guinness.

SPEAKER_04 29:46

Yeah, so we went over to Ireland and um Yeah, had a pint of Guinness, and of course, it's always better in Ireland.

SPEAKER_02 29:56

I know we're sort of going a little bit off a tangent, but we like to give our um listeners a bit of a Netflix, you know, like tell us. Oh, yeah. Have you seen the House of Guinness on Netflix? Really interesting, wasn't it? Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

I watched the first bit, but it would and then I watched the first couple of episodes and then I haven't finished. No, I liked it. Say Dark production company that did Peaky Blinders.

SPEAKER_02 30:16

Yes. And actually, as we're on Peaky Blinders, we need to Justin, who's here today, is also known as the Badger. And yeah, bear with me with the connection here. Badger, we're trying to remember why you're called Badger. You have you love hats, and you do wear a bit of a hat, which is a bit of a Peaky Blinders hat. Tight. Yeah. I love how I just pull it all together.

SPEAKER_01 30:36

Well it started with the Brad Pitt hat, but the Brad Pitt hat was a bit of a stretch, to be honest, Justin. Just uh what was it? Fat pit. Fat pit. Fat pit. Yeah, fat pit. He's not Brad Pitt, he's fat pit. Fat Pit, but that was it, that was a bit of a stretch, and then you change from the sort of straw hat to the the flat cap. And I've always thought it was because of the Toad and Toad Hall reference that you like to forage and um you look like the badger in the top and toad Toad and Toad Hall um scenario. The badger is that always wears a flat cap like your flat cap. Yep. But you think it's something to do with the colour of your hair.

SPEAKER_04 31:11

Probably the the grey in the beard there would still have been a bit more black in it than there is now.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

I'm gonna query up the toad. Well, you keep talking. I'm querying up Toad and Tone Hall, and I'm gonna show you what I mean about the bad. Do you like her? And is that the only nickname you have?

SPEAKER_02 31:25

No, you've had a few in your life, I'd say.

SPEAKER_04 31:27

Oh, started when I was uh primary school called Justin the Dustbin.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

Justin the Dustbin? I never even heard that. Why did they call you just in the dustbin? Because I used to eat lots things up in joke. Just in the dustbin. And were you okay with that? Or was it a bit derogatory? You were a little bit hilarious. No, actually, I was fine with that. Fine with that. Fine with that.

SPEAKER_04 31:47

It's quite nice to be noticed. I never knew that about you.

SPEAKER_02 31:49

I've known you for a number of years never knew that you were called just in the dustbin. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:53

So um But apart from Jash, which pretty much all all well all the school friends. Yes, know you as, yeah. Which is just my initials. My mum was not going to sew my whole four names onto a pair of rugby shorts, so she just put my initials, and David Brooks one day spotted it and went jash. And this is actually.

SPEAKER_01 32:24

I just heard a picture of the badger, and it does look like you, and that's about the hat.

SPEAKER_02 32:29

We'll put that in the comments, won't we? We put that in the comments and people with a picture of Justin and people can judge for themselves. But we're just going back to school, Boba, while you were Googling. Sorry, Googling away. And we were remembering Justin was talking about greatly. Remember on our lab coats and PE thing, you had your poor parents had to embroider your initials. And my dad did a lovely sort of monogram thing.

SPEAKER_01 32:49

He he merged the three letters in.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

I seriously wonder what kind of school we got in.

SPEAKER_01 32:55

And it was all the letters were all in a little circle, like in a circle, and that was my letter. Well over the top. Well over the top. Never had to do that for my kids. My dad did that.

SPEAKER_02 33:04

The other thing at school that Boba and I have probably talked about before is actually when we used to have home economics lessons, that we used to have to take like a picnic basket with all our ingredients in to cook, you know. So we weren't we had to put it in this basket.

SPEAKER_04 33:17

You look like something like a little red riding hood, you could say a wicker basket with a gingham cloth inside.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

And like, did you you did home economics? I did. Did you have to take your ingredients in a wicker basket?

SPEAKER_04 33:27

Uh we just had to provide them. Oh and we I think Miss Cobbleditch was far more lenient with the boys.

SPEAKER_02 33:33

She, yeah, even she had a little bit of sanity there. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

Well, and we had to cover our baskets with um very nice um Gingham MacLoth. Gingham what was they called?

SPEAKER_02 33:42

Gingham that we'd made in our sewing class the term before. And it just so happens I used to travel by train back to, you know, because this was a sort of so-called selective poshi school, back, you know, by train where you used to go with you know the other people that used to get other girls' school, which was called the Holt. And you can imagine the stick I got for getting on the bloody train with a picnic basket with a gingham thing over the top. You did have reddish hair. Yeah, or it looked like well, I don't know, Anna Green Gables or something. For fuck's sake, seriously. No wonder I'm traumatised. But moving on, moving on. But did you have any nicknames?

SPEAKER_04 34:19

You didn't have any nicknames.

SPEAKER_02 34:21

No, my sister was pretty bad.

SPEAKER_04 34:23

Oh, but just being insulting.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

Yes. Yes. And that's nicknames for you.

SPEAKER_04 34:27

And in fact, Bobo Yes, and my nickname.

SPEAKER_01 34:30

Is it? It's my nickname, it's not between you.

SPEAKER_04 34:33

And again, sort of lost in the midst of time, you whether it was because you were.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

No, I've had it since birth. So I had it when I was born as a baby. Yeah, but I was supposed to be a boy, and I think I don't know, it all got out of hand.

SPEAKER_02 34:44

This is because there was a character, and I always tell the story on the podcast, just for people to catch up. Bobo, when she was little, had sticky out ears and bucky teeth. And there was a character called Bobo Bunny. So we think it would be some bobo bunnies. Of course, when you're born, you don't have to be able to do it. She's gorgeous now, as we all are.

SPEAKER_01 35:01

And I had with ear job. I had the ear job. Yeah, I had my ears pinned back. Because in a in a big wind, I'd get pushed backwards. Couldn't go forwards, pushed backwards. She had it on the NHS, she's very lucky. We get that now, Bobo. No, I had it when I had the op done when I was at umie. Did you not visit her just?

SPEAKER_02 35:25

You have bandages all round her head.

SPEAKER_04 35:29

The sort that doesn't want to see people in pain.

SPEAKER_01 35:32

They didn't really take much care. Honestly, if you look at them, they're actually hacked. One ear's not the same as the other. I've still got lumps. I've got infected. Emma's not going to be jealous of your ears, then she's not. She's not jealous of my ears.

SPEAKER_04 35:42

Oh, she's got lovely olive skin. But you're not jealous of Emma's ears.

SPEAKER_02 35:45

I've got really small ears, actually. Look. You've got big ears, Justin. Look at tiny. Well, they do, because uh we should do a whole podcast on the ears.

SPEAKER_04 35:53

But the beauty is that that's where I can listen to my friends better, you see, because I've got both.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

Right, well, come on. I'm back with friends. I'm back to this.

SPEAKER_02 36:00

Right. Well, well. I'm trying to talk about as you get older. How many friends do you need in your circle? Like, do you feel like you've got less friends? Do you collect more friends?

SPEAKER_04 36:11

We've we've been, as a couple, but uh been collecting more friends over the years. And part of us thinks it's like, uh, we we need to stop doing this because we'd like time to ourselves and you're exhausted with all your friends. Suddenly there you get some weeks where you're going out with different people and it's a Thursday, Friday, Saturday night, and you think a trifecta, we call that a trifecta. Where's the time for me?

SPEAKER_02 36:36

Where's the time for me? It is interesting, yeah, because as you've obviously as you get older, you know, you get you got you've gone to different workplaces where you may collect a couple of friends, and then you've gone here, you know, you moved countries, more friends. You might take up a hobby, other friends, and it's like it you know, it can become a little bit overwhelming actually in terms of oh they're exhausting friends, we should just get rid of them all.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

But it's also always when's it as an acquaintance or when it's a friend? Three days is enough for friends.

SPEAKER_04 37:04

So I I was thinking about this, and so it's a bit like with work, some of your work people are colleagues and some are friends. But if you socialise with them outside of work or outside of a work social event, I think that's when the transition moves.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

From work friend to friend.

SPEAKER_04 37:22

Yes, yes, so from colleague to friend. So uh acquaintances, I would say I play golf. There's a lot of people at the golf club that I know to talk to, and we chat a little bit about golf and and comfortable with each other. Uh but I'm not swapping numbers or seeing them outside.

SPEAKER_01 37:40

Or throwing throwing khaki's in the in the bowl. Exactly into the bowl in the middle. Or doing close karaoke with a big thing.

SPEAKER_04 37:46

I think we're about uh close karaoke.

SPEAKER_01 37:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:49

There is a guy from golf that I know through one of the people that he plays with regularly because I used to work with his wife, and so we see them all the time, and and our group of five often sit with their group of four. And I think is that a golfing term? No, it's just numbers.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

Okay, right, just checking.

SPEAKER_04 38:11

And and I think our friendship group is about to expand slightly because big news, you've heard it here.

SPEAKER_05 38:19

Someone's had a baby.

SPEAKER_04 38:20

No, no, but the good friends um Camel and Jen. So I play golf with Campbell and Jen, and we've known them the longest of the people in New Zealand, and they're really good friends. And they've uh started to get to know Steve and his wife now. They've been out socially a few times, and Steve's now said, Oh, well, you and Donna should come along next time that we get together.

SPEAKER_02 38:42

So friends by association.

SPEAKER_04 38:43

So friends by association. But in fact, Camelyn Campbell was a friend by association, and yet he would Camelyn Jenner's a couple are our best friends in New Zealand.

SPEAKER_02 38:54

Um well they say like some most people have like what they call very three closest friends. So these are the people that if you've murdered someone would help you move that body. That's a true friend.

SPEAKER_04 39:08

So yeah, you might need four friends to move my body, but Burbo and I think we need to be.

SPEAKER_02 39:15

No, I know. Burbo and I helped me move that body. Would you call us if you wanted us to move move that body? I know we're like Sydney and your no, we're no longer close friends.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

You wouldn't call us. Why? I I know I don't have any muscles, but I'm quite good in a crisis.

SPEAKER_04 39:31

I involve you in something that's going to get you into trouble.

SPEAKER_01 39:35

Because I would be quite good, but it's not sure.

SPEAKER_02 39:39

But I guess what we should say is like we don't talk, like Boba and I talk every day, but the three of us don't talk every day. No, we don't talk everyone talk every day. We don't actually live near each other. We're like, how far's New Zealand from here? A couple of thousand kilometres? I can't believe you wouldn't let me help me. And yet, the connection holds. The connection between us holds. So what's holding that connection? Well Is it the prosecco? It's not a cellotype.

SPEAKER_04 40:05

We're good company.

unknown 40:06

Good company.

SPEAKER_04 40:06

We bounce off each other. And is that because we've known each other a long time? Two really funny people and a straight person.

SPEAKER_02 40:12

Is that but are you the straight person?

SPEAKER_04 40:15

I was I was pointing again, so I didn't have to say any names. You said don't use names.

SPEAKER_02 40:18

Well someone would say, like someone would say, is because we've got what they call muscle memory in our friendship. So you know when you go to the gym and you don't go for like a few years, and but then you go back and it's like gee, your muscles remember.

SPEAKER_01 40:30

I'm like, I'm like looking at it, I'm like, I remember this, but your muscles do remember.

SPEAKER_04 40:35

You know when you haven't had a drink for a week and then you go back and have a drink, you never have to pick it up and put it in your page.

SPEAKER_02 40:40

That's a much better story. Good analogy, good analogy. But it can be like friendships are like that as well. It's like your your muscle your muscle memory on friendship goes back to where you picked up and picked off.

SPEAKER_01 40:52

Okay, talking about muscle memory, then we're gonna ask you some um rapid fire questions.

SPEAKER_02 40:56

Well, this is when, Justin, you've got to earn your keep for being on our podcast. Yes, things don't come free here. Okay, and nor was that bit of that'll be. Yeah, so we're gonna ask you. We've left a fun bit of the podcast to the end. Yes. Let's hope people have hung in there and still listening. Um, otherwise we'll just tell them to go to the end. So this is where we do our rapid fire round. It's all eyes on you, Justin.

SPEAKER_01 41:19

And you're not allowed to um you just got to answer the first question and keep it clean. We just need to.

SPEAKER_02 41:23

I'll answer in one sentence or less, no explaining. There's no judgment from myself or Bobo.

SPEAKER_04 41:29

So I do realise my wife's in the room.

SPEAKER_01 41:31

Until later, then we'll judge you.

SPEAKER_02 41:34

We've got must say, we've got a shout out to Donna here, who is in our audience today, listening. We're live audience. Also enjoying podcast proseco. And um there's the woods. Next time I'm very keen to have Donna on as a guest as well. So the true story. Okay, do you want to start off start us off, Bobo?

SPEAKER_01 41:52

Quick file around, go on. Yes. Which one us, which one of us would you trust with a secret? And your phone. Both. Good answer.

SPEAKER_02 42:02

Come on, quick fire. Oh sorry, I was supposed to ask you. Both. Oh.

SPEAKER_01 42:07

If you were on a desert island and had to survive and you could only take one of us, which one would you pick?

SPEAKER_04 42:15

Well, six months ago I'd have picked you. But that's only because I could have killed you and kept eating for a lot longer. Thanks. Fair enough. But now, yeah, I don't know. That's true. Uh you're probably I would probably say you're slightly practic yeah, Bobo, you're it's slightly more practical.

SPEAKER_02 42:34

I love it. And I'm not allowed to judge that's fine. So if there was a zombie apocalypse, and I can always not say that word, you think Bobo might survive a little bit over me in that zombie apocalypse?

SPEAKER_04 42:44

Well, in a zombie apocalypse situation, you might because you've got longer arms, so you can fend them off easier.

SPEAKER_02 42:48

With the dagger.

SPEAKER_04 42:50

We've both got our skills, haven't we?

SPEAKER_01 42:51

Well, and just to ru to remind you, in a zombie apocalypse, we are going to New Zealand or Tasmania because they can't swim. Yes, or yeah, we want to be on an island, a small island, easy, easy defensible.

SPEAKER_02 43:04

Okay, um, who gives the best advice? You've got to go to the show.

SPEAKER_04 43:10

I've probably had more conversations uh that might have advice in them with Bobo. Because I normally stay with Bobo when we come over.

SPEAKER_02 43:21

Could work.

SPEAKER_01 43:21

That's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_02 43:23

We've had Who trauma dumps and pretends it's just a quick vent who like gives you a little bit more information on the what's going on?

SPEAKER_04 43:31

Uh I don't you can be I don't feel that either of you trauma dump. But only because it probably washes over me if you are. Because I uh you know I appreciate that It's because you're male. I ha yeah, but I have learned that actually you just want to sound. I you know, as a man, of course, I always want to give advice.

SPEAKER_02 43:56

I did say the ar the rules were here answering one sentence all the day. And no, they just bring me back, but it's fine. I'm loving it, loving it, loving it.

SPEAKER_04 44:03

Based on the general format of the chitty chat, also you can chit chat all you like.

SPEAKER_01 44:09

But thanks, Fonnie. Who do you think is the most fun at karaoke?

SPEAKER_04 44:13

Oh, her forte.

SPEAKER_01 44:15

Really? Yeah. And who do you think's the best singer?

SPEAKER_04 44:20

I would say Emma, but as I'm tone deaf.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

It doesn't mean anything. I'm crushed. I thought it was Emma's thing. We will, it is her thing. We will be posting uh a little teaser on uh Instagram.

SPEAKER_02 44:34

Who do you think gets away with more bad behaviour? Emma or Bobo?

SPEAKER_05 44:39

Emma.

SPEAKER_02 44:40

Whoa. She does. Who has this is a this is a this is an interesting search case. Who has changed the most since school? Quick fire.

SPEAKER_05 44:49

Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 44:50

Doesn't matter who you insult, we don't care.

SPEAKER_05 44:52

Neither of you.

SPEAKER_02 44:56

He's worried that he doesn't want to friend. No, I don't know. Or have we both changed?

SPEAKER_05 45:02

You both changed a bit because you've aged.

SPEAKER_04 45:07

But I think personality-wise, there's not a lot of differences, is there? You know, you're a bit more yeah, you're more rounded and you've grown as people. I couldn't I couldn't say I knew you well enough at school to like to do any analysis.

SPEAKER_01 45:25

I'm gonna bring you back to the rules again here. Now, if you were gonna go on holiday with the two of us, where would you take us?

SPEAKER_04 45:32

Oh, with the two of you?

SPEAKER_01 45:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:34

Epstein Island.

SPEAKER_01 45:39

We're too old for that. I'd just like to qualify that.

SPEAKER_04 45:44

There'll be nobody there now, but it's still on Nice Island.

SPEAKER_02 45:49

Okay. Who would survive a three-week holiday with you?

SPEAKER_04 45:53

Who would survive?

SPEAKER_02 45:54

A three-week holiday with you.

SPEAKER_04 45:56

Both of you would, or either of you would.

SPEAKER_02 45:58

Oh, look at the thing. We'd barely survive, would we? Barely survive. Yeah, you would. Okay. The last one. The reason that this friendship has lasted so long is because we're all wonderful people. Oh, I love that. That's so cool. That's good. And I think it is, it's like we have known each other a long time. It's lasted decades, and I'm very grateful for that friendship. It's been a really fun, fun journey. Yeah. Hugely lots of fun. Again.

SPEAKER_04 46:26

What trauma in in your lives or my life or whatever is impacting negatively on the other people in this between the three of us. So you know, with with the situation that happened in your lives or whatever previously, or mine, um it's not like I've dragged you into something. Like you were saying about moving the body, you know.

SPEAKER_01 46:52

I would move the body with you, just to let you know. I'm good in a crisis. I'm sure you are. And I've watched a lot of TV shows and I know all about the forensics, you know?

SPEAKER_05 47:01

I'll get my wife.

SPEAKER_01 47:03

She's probably out of that crime, don't you? Yeah, but Emma will talk you out of the prison cell.

SPEAKER_04 47:08

My wife would be calling the police to dob me in because I was doing something illegal. And if I brought you in to help me move the body, you'd be going down with me.

SPEAKER_01 47:15

Emma's quite good in a balaclava and a black outfit.

SPEAKER_04 47:18

Yeah, not as good as Surge.

SPEAKER_01 47:20

No, I know. We've seen the pictures. I know.

SPEAKER_02 47:22

But look, on this note, Justin, it's been delightful, as I say, to have you on GT Chat Podcast. Good friends are you can't, you know, you can't swap good friends. You can buy them, by the way. You can buy them.

SPEAKER_05 47:33

How much?

SPEAKER_02 47:35

And you know, we'd see you on average once a year when you come over. Next year we're off to Auckland. Yep. Well, actually, you're off to Auckland a bit soon. I'm gonna go in Easter.

SPEAKER_01 47:43

I'm gonna go and do a special visit.

SPEAKER_02 47:45

Next coming over to Auckland, which I'm very excited about. And then yeah, we're looking forward to hosting you. I just say, look, you know, there's nothing in nothing better in the world than good friendships, and we have been blessed with really good friendships.

SPEAKER_04 47:58

So look forward to this trip every year.

SPEAKER_02 48:01

Brilliant. And we'll get you on again next time.

SPEAKER_04 48:04

Brilliant.

SPEAKER_02 48:04

So until next time, everyone, thank you for listening. Very much thanks to my co-host Bobo. Oh, I thought I was never going to get a mention today.

SPEAKER_04 48:13

There we go.

SPEAKER_01 48:13

I managed to get a mention. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 48:16

I was needing to be this side rather than the all side. The other side. Hearing side.

SPEAKER_01 48:20

What other side?

SPEAKER_04 48:21

Listening to.

SPEAKER_01 48:22

Oh right.

SPEAKER_03 48:25

That's okay.

SPEAKER_01 48:26

Not passed over yet.

SPEAKER_04 48:27

Could I just alter my answer about who I could survive three weeks with? I might be both. Neither of you.

SPEAKER_01 48:34

Do you know what? I think we'd easily survive three weeks with.

SPEAKER_02 48:36

I don't think it would be a problem. We might be doing it, who knows? Alright, well, anyway, there was karaoke last night. Good fun. And um It was.

SPEAKER_01 48:46

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SPEAKER_02 49:04

And we'll see you next time. Bye. Thanks. Bye.