Parents vs Teachers vs AI | Who's Really in Control? With Yasir Naveed Riaz

We talk with Yasser Naveed about the growing AI divide between students and the adults meant to guide them, and why the real danger is not AI but ungoverned use. We share clear guardrails for home and school, so children gain the benefits of AI without losing trust, judgment, or independence.

• AI as a “Ferrari with no brakes” when there is no governance 
• hallucinations, false confidence and the need to verify outputs 
• data privacy risks, scams and deepfakes hitting families 
• the new divide between teachers and students, plus parents and kids 
• “control without controlling” through co-learning and daily check-ins 
• classroom benefits like faster quizzes, differentiated materials and support with marking 
• avoiding brain shortcut dependence by keeping routines and principles 
• Why relationships matter when kids seek comfort from chatbots 
• the age question after Covid and why exposure is unavoidable 

Connect with Yasir Naveed Riaz on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/yasirnaveed/

Transcript

Welcome And Today’s AI Focus

SPEAKER_00 0:04

You are listening to the Teach Middle East Podcast. Connecting, developing, and empowering educators.

SPEAKER_02 0:16

Hey everyone, Lisa Grace here with another episode of the Teach Middle East Podcast. Today I have Yasser Naveed on the podcast, and we're talking all things AI. The topic for today is bridging the AI gap between teachers, parents, and students. I find myself talking a lot about AI recently, but I'm excited to have a chat with Naveed because we're not just looking at one aspect of AI, we're looking at AI from several aspects. Welcome to the podcast, Yesena.

SPEAKER_01 0:44

Thank you very much, Lisa. I hope you're doing well. And uh I'm really delighted and excited at the same time because being a parent, this topic is very near to my heart. And that's a good idea to merge parents and teacher in a single discussion because both share the same set of responsibility as well as the same set of challenges. So I'm looking forward to this discussion.

Yasser’s Work In Digital Transformation

SPEAKER_02 1:06

Thank you for joining me. Yes, sir. Tell me a little bit about your background. Like what got you into this line of work and thinking? What do you do every day?

SPEAKER_01 1:15

So, Lisa, I am basically uh by profession into IT, mobility, project management, digital transformation. And for the last 10 years or so, I have been working very closely with the Dubai government. And as you know, Dubai government is one of the very few, whichever new technology or new trend or innovation is there, they are like at the front of everything. Uh, so this government exposure uh that helped me to gain access to all the latest technologies, all the latest initiatives, be it the 2025 vision, 2040 vision. And recently the push has been towards AI. So, what I do on a daily basis is transforming services which are citizen focused and introducing AI nowadays to increase efficiency, increase control, trust. So that's my day today, basically around IT. What uh have changed in recent years is with all the hype of AI, I have stepped because everybody's talking about the technical part of it, but what are the social aspects or the social side effects of using uh AI? Uh, because AI at the end of the day is just technology, nothing else. So, this discussion or this side effect has been there since the 80s, 90s. And what I have tried to do recently is to touch the social part of it, which nobody is discussing, or very less people are discussing, being a parent. So I have stepped into this. So these kind of discussions I am doing with uh very uh reliable people like you, and especially in the education industry, because I want to uh be more focused towards students. The missing element, mostly people are talking about students using the AI, but they are forgetting the equal responsibility of parents and teachers. So that has been my uh topic recently, and I'm being very active in it.

The Real Risks Of AI Use

SPEAKER_02 3:10

I love it. What are the social side effects of using AI? I'm not even gonna beat around the bush. I'm jumping straight in. What are we supposed to be aware of now? So we are talking the bad things first. Well, you know what? I think there's so many things being said about AI that are good and how it's gonna make us save time and all the efficiencies. So I think our listeners deserve to know straight out the gate, what should we be aware of socially?

SPEAKER_01 3:40

Right. So let me give you an example to start with. So just imagine you are a very professional driver and you love racing, and I gift you a Ferrari today, but I do not put brakes on this beautiful Ferrari. So you are a professional racer, you have won ten uh races. What will happen with you?

SPEAKER_02 4:05

I think my career out of control. I think I'll just go, I'm just it would be crazy.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Knowingly, you will be going for a disaster, yes or no? Yeah, so so I I I just put this with this example. So Ferrari itself was not bad, or you as a racer was not worst, you were the best, right? And you you chose the best car, but you forgot a tiny element which is a brake that controlled the full part of it. So AI itself is not bad. When we discuss the social side effects of AI, it's not the AI itself, it's not the tools that we use, it's the usage, it's the control around or the governance around the technology. So, what is missing right now? It's like a genie outside the lamp. Everybody is following, everybody wants to use it. Uh, it's really like a genie, like you wish, and uh it will fulfill your desires. And for a layman, uh nowadays, AI means chat GPT. This is their life. So this is another debate and a discussion. AI is not chat GPT, but for the sake of discussion, 80% or 90% of the people consider Chat GPT as an AI. And it's a meaning AI doing everything for them. Now, AI does hallucinate as well. So if you do not control it properly, or in our terms, we call guardrailing. If you don't do it, it can take you to any side. So when, as you said, everybody talks good about it. So let us focus on the side effects of it. So again, I repeat, it's what we're gonna discuss are not the side effects of AI, it's the side effects of usage. And our focus of today's discussion is education. So primarily the audience is student. So we'll focus our discussion on that. We'll try not to be technical much. So, what happens is if you have no controls in place or you don't have any AI digital rules or technology digital rules in place, so you are giving like a Ferrari, like a space without any control. So, what will happen? There is uh efficiency, but there is no responsibility. There is a speed at the cost of accuracy. There is automation uh for your administrative task, but there is no trust. Because what happens is when you ask AI anything, it's programmed in a way that it has to answer you. So sometimes it even manipulates the figures for you. Uh at the end of the day, it's just a crawler that goes to the website, gathers the information, and gives you without any verification at times. And sometimes it does not have you force it to give the answer, it will. It will never say no. So a lot of responsibility, a shared responsibility on parents as well as teachers come into play to verify the data. So if the data is not verified, AI first can give the false information, then it can take you towards the unethical or the unmoral things as well. And when you have uh no trust, there are many websites, many applications without us knowing they are using AI, even the search engines are using AI now, the chat applications are using AI now. So if you do not use any verified apps, they can scam you, they can hack you, they can get the data of your kids, the important data like pictures, your home address, or your credit details. All of these things can be captured very easily, manipulated, uh, ransomware, and all these things are very there because the deep fakes and many things are there. You don't even know whether I am talking to a real visa right now or not. It can happen. And unfortunately, nowadays we are using it for a shortcut. We are not using add then as an assistance or as an aid. Once we start using this technology, there is a high tendency that we get used to it because we are not putting the boundaries or the limitations. So these side effects at the end of the day will, rather than increasing your performance, will start decreasing your performance. We will impact your memory, it will impact your health at the end of the day because you are getting dependent, your screen time is increasing, your brain cells are not exercising properly or much because you are depending on some 24-7 assistant at your service free of charge. Plus, you are disconnecting from the society. So, what I call is a new divide, and it is not between rich and poor. This new divide is between parents and kids, or other way, it's between teachers and kids. The students are self-assuming they know more than the teacher. Why to focus on the lecture or in the class? Well, I'll go back home and I'll just start Chat GPT. So uh just imagine you you say to Chat GPT, explain this topic, for example, photosynthesis. To me, as a seven-year-old child, it will break it down to very simple. Maybe a teacher cannot explain in a way. Or tell ChatGPT the same question, explain photosynthesis in detail. I have a biopractical A levels. It will go into that level of details. Maybe you are able to write a book, but nobody's verifying whether it is giving you the right information or wrong information. I caught my daughter that day, she asked to resolve a pathematical equation, which was wrong by the way. And she was very happy, she's done for the paper, but she was not. So if you leave them alone, it is not even impacting their academic, but their personal life as well. And this will eventually affect the society at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_02 9:41

So, what do they do? What kind of guardrails do we put in place and how do we do it? Because we we want to we don't want to fall victim to too many AI usage so that we don't know how to sort things ourselves. So, how do we do it? Give us practical tips. All right.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

So, as I said, first of all, uh we have to change our mindset. It's not AI, it's technology, it's screen at the end of the day. AI is just another way of addressing our daily life problem. So at the end of the day, it's technology. So the problem started right with the 80s and 90s. So we don't have to do anything new basically. If we have managed technology properly, we will manage AI properly as well. Now, how to address it? Be the digital member or the digital family member of your kids as a parent, as a teacher. Be in their world, be with them. It's a little strange thing when I suggest to people, but this is the only solution or the only way out. We have to change our mindset from 80s to 2030s, 2040s. More things are coming. Today is AI. We don't know what is coming in 2040, where we will reach with the virtual realities, where we will be with distributed computing, we don't know how much computing power is coming. So the future of AI is more than what we could think of. So, what I tell parents or my friends, you don't have to be AI expert. You have to be AI aware, or you don't have to be technology expert. Let me put it this way: you have to be technology aware. Now, when you have to be technology aware, that means you need to know a little basics about it. I'll give you an example. My kids, one is 15, one is 13, they are in what you call Gen Z. So these Gen Zs have their own language nowadays, like Sigma, Bro. Imagine my daughter calling me bro. Now, the immediate reaction could be why you are doing this. But the other reaction is you go along. Sometimes I don't even know the meaning of that, but I go along the script with them. I go with the flow, I let things happen, I control myself, I do not boil up. And what happened after three, four days, it gives me opportunity to explain them what they did was right or wrong, or how I did it when I was at their age and what lesson I learned. I have an advantage from being from IT background. So, whatever tools they tell me or I see them using, I know them before. Even then, sometimes they are using some tools which I don't even know because it's it's happening in a like a speed of light. Every day, thousands of applications are coming because it's literally very easy. You and me right now can create an application if we go to any uh low-code, no code website, they call it, and you just subscribe for a few pennies and you can get a full mobile application up and running in a day. So I believe you cannot say no, you cannot control by restricting. But how you can control is without controlling. So from control, go to colon. This is what I suggest. Reserve 30 minutes to one hour, like we used to do in good families or in very from backgrounds. We used to have a dining table time set: 30 minutes, 40 minutes, everybody gonna eat. Like at my home, there is no screen when you are eating. So, similarly, a 30 minutes for technology, what you learned today, show me how you are using this amazing app, how you convert my beard from black to blue, uh, how you will make the horns or the unicorns on my head. So, encourage them, give them this authority that okay, and accept that they are superiors uh in this technology. What will do is two to three things in their personality. That gap will go, the fair will go, and they will feel more authorized. So when you coming from the educational background, you know, things literally change when you give confidence to students. A very bright student might not perform if he's not felt confident enough or he's not being motivated. Same goes in the corporate world. A good boss can get a real personality or talent out of you, and you will do 100 things for him without him asking. But a bad boss would just cut your talent and you knowingly that I can do this job, but still you will not be doing it. And even if you do it, it will not be that good. So, same goes here. When you give them this feeling of authority, yes, I can do anything. My parent is appreciating me, my teacher is appreciating me, my teacher is letting me explain the lecture instead of him. He's letting me uh showcase this new tool, and all the 30 other students are running from me. This will give this confidence. Now, what will happen is you will get an opportunity of window after five days, 10 days, 15 days, after tolerating everything, after being quiet, you will be in a position because now you are here with them. So they are very confident with you, they don't have anything to hide. So they will start opening up, they will start telling you how we use it. So you at least without controlling like 80s, you will know what your kid, uh son, or student is doing. And then you get an opportunity within a few days to explain them this is right, this is wrong. So the responsibility starts from home and from the school class. You have to uh work as a role model, you have to make sure that you are using it professionally, ethically, and you teach it to your students as well. Uh, but to do that, you have to be on their level nowadays. The the things have changed where you order and they will obey. This fortunately or unfortunately is no more. They will do what they see.

How Teachers Stay Relevant With AI

SPEAKER_02 15:33

Yeah. I love the fact that you say you have to become co-learners, that you can no longer just mandate that they do something and that they're going to follow, they probably will not follow. But we're thinking about the teacher's perspective. How can teachers then, because I understand learning alongside your child at home? You know, they're in the living room, like you talk about the dining room setting and everybody working together, that kind of thing, so you can have oversight of what they're doing. But help me out for teachers. How do teachers stay on top of what's going on with the trends? How can they help their students? What do they need to do?

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Okay, for teachers as well, it's about mindset. What I discuss with professionals, and this is the most common reason I get from professionals, be it teacher or be it anyone, the following statement that we risk losing our jobs because of IT. We fall behind students or kids using AI. These are the common statements. Whenever I do some seminar or discussion with any professional or friend in corporates, I hear these statements. We need to shift this mind. You are not falling behind. You just have to upgrade some skills, you just have to be part of it. If I am sitting behind, not touching my hands to the screen, uh, I cannot join this call. To join this call, I have to move my finger. There is a process about it. So I have to put some energies, first decide, then move my finger, click the button, and then I will be able to do this call. But if I just wish that I want to talk with Lisa, this will never happen. So I have to do some action. So, first of all, that mindset mindset is very important. Second, that fear of losing job. No. If you do AI, you will be even doing a better job. So we do things when we see the value out of it. So it is very important for us. This is why I say the missing link is both parents and teachers. Students are doing this because they see the value. Okay, that value is not professional, that value is for the personal goals, entertainment, and XYZ. The same value we need to see as a parent, as a teacher. Now, what are those values? First of all, if you learn AI and you start using these tools, and by the way, believe me, Lisa, you you must be using these tools, one of them. These tools are even easier to use than the PowerPoint and the Excel's we used to do. These are much easier to write a Word document and then fix the spellings and grammar and format the table. These tools do add the one-liner prompt, a full-fledged 10-pager book or representation for you. It's very easy. You can define your color theme. You don't have to do any designing, you don't have to do any code. It's much easier like a national language. So, first of all, they need to change their mindset. Second of all, they need to start learning these tools because these tools and they need to see the value. So, these tools, for example, if it helps you to make a presentation in five minutes, it helps you to make a quiz by just putting a scan of the page without using your brain or too much efforts, it will give you a 10-15 questionnaire. And then, of course, you need to verify. We will come to that part as well. And then imagine if you have lots of paper or exams to check, and these are all manuals, let's say, not the computer test. And you can use lots of applications that are available in the market that will do grading for you based on the criteria you define. Uh, you want to create, okay, you have a class, not all 20 students are always equal. Not one criteria will work for all the, but it is very difficult for a teacher in a 30-minute class to focus on individuals. But that AI will help you make personalized presentation or notes for a set of students, one outstanding, one excellent, one good, and one who needs more attention, you can have more visuals. And all this will take you five or ten minutes. No more two hours or four hours you are taking out of your family time, sitting late in the night, and then getting late uh in the morning for the school bus. No more like this. So if we start telling this value to teachers, they themselves will be running towards AI or the technology. Then the bigger picture of it is the side hustle. Parent or teacher, if they learn AI or the online uh digital world, there are uh numerous ways to make money as well. So they can even adopt it as a side hustle. They can start their blog and blogging nowadays with AI is not very difficult, by the way. They can automate their YouTube channel, uh, they can come up with a very quick tool that addresses some problem of parents and they can launch in the market in no days. Uh so if we start telling the value both to parent and teacher, I believe the adaptability of AI or technology would be much faster. So they we don't have to spend too much effort. And that is my mission basically to go to schools, to go to such seminars and convince parents and teacher what you are missing. Oh, and this will not only help you to be uh on level with your kids, but in your professional and personal life. Like a parent can do a meal application or a family activity planning. Some parents they cannot think much on the dining table what to talk with their kids, or they cannot think what games to play in the picnic, uh or some teachers even due to stress, due to busy schedule, whatever the reason may be. But AI is your companion to fix your problem. So, with all these side effects, there are benefits. And to control the side effects, there are control and governance. So these two have to go together.

voiding Brain Shortcut Dependence

SPEAKER_02 21:08

I wondered when you were talking about the time saving. A friend of mine and someone I respect a lot in a speech recently said, AI is like a Zimpic for the brain. And I and I'm really fascinated by the concept of us giving over our brain power to AI. How do we ensure that we don't become handicapped by the very thing that is supposed to make us more efficient?

When Kids Confide In Chatbots

SPEAKER_01 21:35

So it's very common, and you are absolutely right. As I said in the beginning, it's shortcut, it's like a genie out of the lamp. And slowly and steadily, the most side effect of it is your brain cells because you are no more exercising. But this will happen to category B. So I divide people into two categories. So ultimately, student, teacher, parents go into these two categories separately. For example, For example, a person like you, I'm sure, is a book reader, a book lover. No matter whatever AI come, you will still be reading. Okay? So you have your principles, you will never take a shortcut. You have your own process, you will always follow that. People who always not follow any processes, their kids ultimately see them not following any processes, any principle, any routine in life. Most likely you will see them ending up with the same trend. Those parents who follow a sleep pattern, a dinner pattern, a study pattern, a proper timeline for the screen, a proper timeline for reading book, you will see their kids doing the same. So those principles are inducted in their brain and personality. So when they will start using the AI, and their mentors are those teachers or parents who are using or applying those principles, those principles will automatically pass on to those kids. So when Kit A is using AI, ChatGBT, Gemini, Cloud, or any other tool, pictory for or runway for any images or videos, he will remember that this tool is going to help me. This tool is going to translate my idea into the end product, which I have to verify that is as per my idea and as per my audience. And then I have to take the ownership and explain the product. Whereas category B, who just have to make sure that his assignment is done on a time, he will give up prompt. He will not care whatever the result is. He will not care whatever the input is. The result is out. Here, Miss Lisa, this is my assignment. Thank you very much. Don't call me again. So that is again not because of the AI. That is again because of the built-up, the personality or the principles we have received, number one from our home and number two from our class teacher. So I always, whenever you ask me side effects of AI or technology, I would always bring you back to human. I cannot uh rule out the human from all this behavior. At the end of the day, AI is not shaping our behavior. It is us who are shaping our behavior. If we let anyone to hijack our system, that hijacker is not to be blamed. It's us. We did not implement the full security controls. We did not lock our door. We did not have cameras in place. We did not have windows at our place. So anybody could broke down into house. That's my mistake, right? So you cannot say that you will change your decisions because of the external controls. You need to set your internal controls to a level that external controls could not impact you. I know it's a lot of English and text going on, but it's not a rocket science at the end of the day. For a moment, forget we are living into the IT world or the technology is there. Go back to the 70s and 60s, how parents were controlling, how teachers were controlling. It's the same behavior. This is why I see don't use the word even AI. At the end of the day, it's technology. And before technology, it's principles. It's the way how you are setting controls in your classroom, in your home, in your bedroom, in your study room, in your dining room. At the end of the day, but to do that, things have changed a little. Previously, a parent would say sit, we would sit. A teacher would say stand, we will stand. Nowadays, kids question. They do more what you do, not what you say. So you have to bridge that gap. You have to be friends. So there is a debate with most of my friends and professional colleagues that you cannot be friend with your kids or with your students. I unfortunately I am among those 10 or 15% who believe that you can be and you should be. Of course, within the friendship, there need to be boundaries at the end of the day. But 90%, 95%, you have to be their friend. Only then will they open up rather than they opening up to an external world. And nowadays, chat GBT is very dangerous. They can go, okay, uh, amazing incident I remember. One of my friends a few months back, this episode happened at his home. So what happened? Their kid is very intelligent, very high scoring. Suddenly he got silent. And what they thought, because he he's into his grade 10, grade 11, so he's focusing more on his study. So let him give his privacy and they gave him a room. Uh, they didn't even bother to call him for dinners and everything because they think he's studying, right? One day he accidentally read his chat with ChatGBT. And what he's telling to ChatGBT, you understand me better than my father. Wow. There is nobody to take care of me. There is nobody who understands me like you are. And ChatGBT or any open AI model is designed in a way that it will first entertain you with sympathy. You try it yourself. Whatever even harsh language you talk to Chat GBT or uh any other thing, it will just switch and it will try to comfort you. That is how it is programmed. We are not used to this comfort and sympathy in real life. Even as a father, I will get irritated after three times, five times, ten times, no matter how much debate I do here. Right? Chat GBT would not. Chat GBT would never say, or open AI would never say, I am busy come tomorrow. Or why you keep on asking me the same question again and again? You have no brain. Look what your uncle is doing, his son is doing, look what your cousin is doing. He got A's, you got three C's. He created one application and your teacher gave him a gift. Or teacher would say, See this colleague of yours or the student uh next sitting next to you. He he never irritates me and you never understand. You listen, these statements, right? These statements are slow poison, which goes into brain. Now imagine an alternate which does not give you these statements. So I will naturally go to that alternate, but the problem here is that alternate is not foolproof, that alternate is not hack proof, that alternate sometimes hallucinate. So it's a disaster at the end of the day. So this is where I advise you need to bridge these gaps as a parent, even as a teacher, because teachers uh they have equal responsibility. If you are a passionate teacher, you will go an extra dive to fix these things or to bridge that gap. Even in my school, I my my kids' school, I see they are very closely associated with one teacher. Recently, I went on a school parents uh teacher meeting, and my daughter, she just did IGs. She got A in chemistry. Now, all the time she is more keen towards chemistry. So when I find out her teacher is more of a Gen Z, she's very frank. She's uh playing games with them on the WhatsApp, all the Sigma terminology and everything she's using. They even are doing snow sprays. It's it's like it's a very strange thing, but they are doing it. But what I have seen, most of the girls in her class got A in chemistry because they are very close to the teacher. At the end of the day, I have seen over the weekends they are studying chemistry and calling the teacher for the answers. They are not doing this kind of exercise with any other teacher. So their grades are totally different, the concept is totally different. And my daughter wants to continue chemistry just because of one teacher. Now, if you remove AI, this is true in our ages as well. We used to like one teacher, right? So that teacher motivated us. For me, it was a mathematics teacher who made me good at math where I used to be very bad just because of his personality. So again, I would take you back to personalities or to human behavior. The AI will be shaped as we shape.

The Right Age For Technology

SPEAKER_02 29:49

Sure. I got a question for you because you're talking about your daughter and what's the safe age for us to introduce these digital tools? Because I know some people are saying, you know, you shouldn't introduce it below the age of 10, below age of 12. I'm not quite sure. Help me out, yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

See, Lisa, this is a very interesting question. Uh normally you discuss options when you have choices. So when you go to the doctor and you have some fever, he has three or four choices to give you panadol, maxigessig, adol, dynanol. He has choices. But God forbid, if you have cancer, there is no choice but to give chemo if you are at the later stages, right? God forbid to anyone. But you don't have more choices. Now, post-COVID and you being from the education background, there is no choice. Even the kindergartens are bringing the devices. You go to any mall right now, the Bay Mall, Mediv, toddler, not eating the food. Parents have given them the mobile screen. Tomorrow we blame kids for the screen time. Who gave the screen for the first? And I don't blame parents. Parents are busy sometimes, they are exhausted. They use it as a shortcut, but again, that shortcut is killing in long term. Now, to answer that, I do not believe there is any age limit for this. You are in a world where you cannot protect your kid, will go to school in the age of three or four, and five will be in grade one. There is no way you can uh stop his exposure towards technology. Let's not call it AI, let's call it technology. There is no way in grades uh two or grade one, teachers are using the technology, they will be exposed to pre presentation, they will be exposed to YouTube. You cannot control it. So for me, that formula of putting controls or restrictions based on age, I don't think so. They're gonna fly. And especially after five, ten years, it will be more. And we need to understand one, this is where we are lacking behind. We think that we are advanced. Believe me, Lisa, me being IT background, I take some time to learn any new tool. My daughter, age of 15, or my son, age of 13, or my other son, age of four, they do not take time to learn. They are part of this revolution. So their learning time is incredibly less. Our learning time is significantly more. So until we realize this reality, we would not give them authority, we would not trust them. So, right now, it's a game of trust. You have to trust. And to build that trust, you have to bridge the gap, you have to be with them, you have to understand what they are doing on a daily basis. So you would be earning millions, but at the risk of losing your kids, no. You should sit at least 30 minutes a day on a table, try to understand what they are doing on a daily basis, which tools they are using with, and touch the funny part of it. Tell them to use that tool to do something funny, to make some game, to make some funny uh carry character out of you, to make some some something like this. So that will melt the ice, that will make them uh work very closely with you. And believe me, from my experience, after a few days, they open up. Kids are innocent, they will open up everything, they will tell you some things which you are not even expecting. Do not react at that time. Sometimes they tell me things I boil, I want to, you know, become a red uh face, but you have to control it. So they don't go out. So you keep your control. I am all for the control without practicing control, without showing that you are controlling. So in my uh project management, we call it a subtle art of saying no without no. So in corporate politics, you never say no to your boss. Sometimes he's telling you to suicide, but you don't say no. You say, Yes, sir, I will do it. But you do it your way, you control the damage. So the same exercise we have to do. Some politics we have to apply here as well, but in a good way. So I think this is a separate type of education, which I am trying to do now with all these seminars, especially to the parents as well as teachers. How to adjust or be flexible with the situation going around, uh, how to shift mindset from 80s to 2020, 2030. Because if we keep ourselves in the 80s and 90s, uh things have changed. I am not asking to change the principle. Principle at the end of the day, teacher and parents have the responsibility, have the job, but the mechanism or the way to achieve those principles or guidelines have changed.

Optimism With Rules And Governance

SPEAKER_02 34:34

Yeah, I agree with you. So, last thing on the podcast, then are you optimistic or pessimistic about this new technology we have called AI? Where are you?

SPEAKER_01 34:46

As I started from the beginning, I am all for it. I am fully optimistic. And I'll be living in a fool world if I say stop everything. It's like television or a calculator in the 80s when it came, you would say as a teacher, don't let kids use calculator, their brain cells would die. Now, in today's age, can you do an advanced mathematical exam without calculator, Lisa? No, cannot. So, but does that mean our brain cells have gone? For those who totally rely on, yes. For those who still know that this is just a tool that will help me pass, their brain cells still work. But those who totally rely, they will always be like this. In society, 10%, 20% is always like this who fall behind. So that whether AI or not, that is not the problem of AI, right? Uh for example, Google Maps. We use Google Maps all the time now. But does that mean if a Google Map is gone, I will not be able to drive? If I'm fully relying on it, yes. But if I'm using my brain at the same time, whenever I put a direction, after a few times I realize maybe this is taking me wrong. I make my own decisions as well. So use it as a tool. This is why this framework has to be there, where you find the right problem. Because AI, first of all, we need to understand AI is not applicable for all solutions, by the way. So first and foremost, we have to identify whether this task requires AI or not. Second, if you are using AI, whether it's a verified app or not. Thirdly, to use AI, there needs to be a proper data. If you put it's it's like a garbage in, garbage out. So the environment, is it ready for AI? The infrastructure, is it ready for AI? When you start using AI, the governance or the framework is there or not? Teachers and parents are aligned or not. Are they educating the kids about the moral values or the moral part of it? Are they telling them about plagiarism? Are they teaching them about deep fakes? So in the school, these topics need to be discussed on daily or weekly basis. Seminars need to be arranged where the students need to see how in the world these things are happening and how people are getting the fake visuals to get your data. And like parents used to educate their kids when you go out, do not take any candy from the stranger. So similarly, do not take any strange applications from the internet. So who will teach them this? This is where we step in as a parent and teacher. Then, after using it, we need to have some technology controls in the home and in the schools, like MDM or using or uh whitelisting or blocking some sites or applications which we know are bad. So these kind of controls we need to take in our hand at the end of the day, because at the end of the day, they are kids. No matter how much education you give them, they are uh they are going to fall into some kind of a trap. This is where we are there to help them. And this will only happen if I know my kid is going to direction A. Then at the end of the tunnel A, I'll be waiting for them whether they are doing it properly or not. But if I don't even know they are choosing tunnel A, I'll be waiting at tunnel C. Boom, done. So this is the most easy language for your audience to understand.

Where To Find Yasser Online

SPEAKER_02 38:06

I get it. Brilliant. Um, what are you doing now and how can people connect with you?

SPEAKER_01 38:12

So I am on LinkedIn by name Yasin Navid Ryaz, plus I have my own website blog for the same, which is hostingmatchup.com. Here you will go and I'll give you a link as well. Maybe you can post it. So here I am not explaining AI, the technology aspect or the security or technology aspect. If you go to that blog, you will see AI tools and AI for parents, AI for all professionals, how they can use it for teacher, for student, for lawyers, for doctors, for engineers, for project managers, for QAs. I am trying to map the daily life operations and the professionals, how they can make use of AI. So it becomes a one-stop shop, all free, nothing. So they just get the guide there. How to adopt AI in their profession, how to make it beneficial, how to earn extra, or how to increase efficiency. So that is my side project or a hobby nowadays. I spent almost daily one hour on that, and weekends I do these kinds of seminars to do education. So hostingmatchup.com, and you can search me on LinkedIn by Yasidna Vidrias. I am writing articles around the same topic. I am putting the tool set around the same topic and mostly focused on the social aspect of it.

SPEAKER_02 39:23

Amazing. Thank you for being on the podcast, yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 39:27

Thank you, Lisa, for this opportunity.