Episode 243 with Corey Dissin: Lessons Learned and the Importance of Resilience in Business

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Erin Marcus: All right. Welcome. Welcome to this episode of the ready yet podcast, where I want to show you today, what is possible and who you get to play in the sandbox with when you just say hello to somebody. Cause I think that's all that happened, right? I think I met you on LinkedIn. 

Corey Dissin: That's where the love affair began, 

Erin Marcus: right?

Erin Marcus: Like just go meet people. Don't make it any harder than that. And here we are. We've already had, we had fun when we met. We had fun today before we hit. I love talking to you. I know people can't even pick a topic, right? We can't even pick a topic. So we're, let's jump off with your book. Cause I definitely want to get that in there and we'll see where else it leads.

Erin Marcus: And I'm just gonna, this is what's wrong with me in a nutshell. 

Corey Dissin: Go on. Probably the same thing. I 

Erin Marcus: look. Hold that back up again. This is what's wrong with Aaron in a nutshell. I look at that picture and there is no negative Like to me, I smile. 

Corey Dissin: Mission accomplished. 

Erin Marcus: So, you know, so let's go into the topic of the book and we can talk about our, our conversation about physical appearance and, and the use of that, using what you got.

Erin Marcus: We can talk about all of it, but 

Corey Dissin: tell 

Erin Marcus: me what the book's about. 

Corey Dissin: Well, it's called Going the Distance. My, you know, my name is Corey Disson, so we obviously played off of the name. Got the branding in there. Big lesson there. Lesson number one today. 

Corey Dissin: 10 rounds to a championship life and career. Life lessons inside a tribute wrapped in a memoir.

Corey Dissin: That's what the book is about. And you know, it's, it's part self help book, part motivational speech, part biography. And I wanted to, you know, I, I've read my share of self help books and life coaching books, some of which were very cool, other are very dry and boring. I wanted to come up with something that was different.

Erin Marcus: Well, and I'm going to stop you for one second because I think maybe that's the interesting piece to me. Because on the surface, the picture that you have on the cover of that book is not someone I would look at and go, wow, he's read a bunch of self help books, right? Not the first book. He 

Corey Dissin: can read. That guy can 

Erin Marcus: read.

Erin Marcus: A, he can read. B, he actually wanted to. 

Corey Dissin: Yeah. Well, I mean, look, that's part of, part of the creating the intrigue. That's, that was part of the, the point of when I wrote this book, I had that picture in my head before I took it. I knew that was going to be the picture. I knew where I was going to get it taken.

Corey Dissin: And I asked permission to get it taken at that place, preparing for the book. So it all, it all meant something. 

Erin Marcus: It's the emotion, right? It's the intention, the emotion, the, the reason for it all. Manifest in an image. Intensity, 

Corey Dissin: toughness, but it's also to capture attention. I, that's what I teach people how to do is to capture attention.

Corey Dissin: So if I can't do that in a very crazy way myself, what am I doing in charge of money for it? So that's, that's what I put that out there for. And I, you know, I, as much as I've read, I don't necessarily enjoy reading. Okay, because a lot of my attention span is short and if I'm going to read a book it's got to be something that's going to keep me captive.

Corey Dissin: So I wanted my book to be something for someone like me. Easy to digest, bite sized, snackable pieces that you don't have to, you know, spend six months trying to dive through it or you need a thesaurus to figure it out. I just wanted to keep it simple and present it in a way that was very much, you know, the book takes a life as a fight.

Corey Dissin: Metaphor. 

Erin Marcus: And there's, right, and there's so much against the harsh, harshness that you could choose to interpret that with. And I think that is unfortunate. I think, you know, this podcast is called Ready Yet, the tagline is, you'll never do what it takes until you become the person it takes to do it. And if I had to pick a trait to start out with, it's resilience.

Corey Dissin: Oh, my God. Resilience, toughness, and, you know, the other, the under, underlying layer to the book, which ties us in a nice, neat little bow, is that I am paying homage. I'm paying tribute to 10 people. There's 10 chapters. We call them rounds, like a boxing match. There are 10 rounds, and I'm paying tribute to these 10 people that helped to create All of this the people in my life that made me me and The point is here's what these people did for me.

Corey Dissin: These are the lessons that I learned from them I want you to meet them. I want you to Hang out with them for a chapter, and then take the same lesson I learned and put it in your back pocket so it helps you like it helped me. And you'd be surprised how simple some of the lessons are that you learn.

Erin Marcus: They're seldom complicated. Doing them is not always easy. Because you have to break through your habits and break through your thoughts, but they're very seldom, are they complicated? 

Corey Dissin: Yeah, they're right in front of your face. And you know, I wanted, that's the other thing. I didn't want to get into some oratory or some philosophical discussion about how these, they're not theories.

Corey Dissin: These are, this isn't something I took a class on. This was my life. These are real events that happened that shaped me, that jarred me, and said, Wait a minute, you better pay attention to that. And then the really weird thing is, lessons that I learned at 14, 15, 17, 20, started to stack with the ones at 25, and 30, 37, and they all fit together and you keep using them and you just, it's almost like turning a cube to the right side at the right time.

Corey Dissin: Ah, I have to tap into this. It's not necessarily a conscious decision. 

Erin Marcus: I was going to just say that about the awareness. Because I think one of the reasons people run into problems is they don't have any kind of level of awareness. There's no self reflection. There's no self awareness. As I keep repeating, to, to maneuver.

Corey Dissin: Well, I mean, look, you have to know who you are, where you're at, where you're going. And if you're not, if you're just spending your whole life like a leaf in the wind, being pulled in a million different directions, chances are you're going to resent a lot of people and be very unhappy when you're older.

Corey Dissin: The people that you meet in this book and the people that I talk about and the people that I preach about to my clients as a coach and all these kind of things. teaches you to be self reliant, to be independent, to push your way through life, to knock down doors, to listen to people when they talk. Don't just hear them.

Corey Dissin: Take advantage of opportunities, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. All that stuff. You know, I was very fortunate that I started working in the professional world at 18, 19 years old. I had a much nicer head of hair then. 

Erin Marcus: I'm 

Corey Dissin: sure that's why I hired you. You know, if, if I was a cop, I'd have a gold watch and a pension because I'm in my 50s now.

Corey Dissin: I have, you know, 30 years of professional experience. But I'm not, I'm not, I don't, I don't, that wasn't my path. My path was, okay, I worked as a pro. I ran a big company. Now that I have all of this stuff in the big bald noggin. I don't we can't just leave it there. Obviously, I'm giving it to my children, but there's an opportunity.

Corey Dissin: There's a vehicle now to pass it on to other people and pay it forward. And hopefully someone else can, you know, listen to me and not just hear me and use that for their own success. 

Erin Marcus: So that's 

Corey Dissin: kind of the book in a nutshell. 

Erin Marcus: Well, and what I like about it, and you and I, we know we're in alignment about this.

Erin Marcus: There's so much. There's so many people who are so unhappy, and it's because my opinion, and I'm as blunt as you are, I just don't have quite the deep voice and the large stature to go with it, but that's okay, it works for me. Get away with it anyway. Yeah, the difference is I get away with it and you get punched.

Corey Dissin: I get to punch back though, just be ready. 

Erin Marcus: With it. There's so many people are so unhappy and there's so many people that are waiting for someone else to change it. 

Corey Dissin: It's 

Erin Marcus: That's the thing. That's the thing. It's like my tagline is be in charge, take action, right? It's that straightforward. You cannot play the victim and be entitled.

Erin Marcus: Like you, it doesn't work. It doesn't work. And does it, here, like, my big thing is there's a million things that need to change in this world. I don't care what you believe in, which side you're on, any of that. We can all agree there's a lot of things that need to change in this world. But why would you give up your one turn at this life waiting for that change to happen?

Erin Marcus: That's the piece I don't understand. 

Corey Dissin: You and I are wired very differently than a large swath of the people on this big blue marble. There's a lot of entitlement. There's a lot of, I say, listening to the radio station called WIFM. You ever heard of that station? 

Erin Marcus: Right, exactly. What's in it 

Corey Dissin: for me?

Corey Dissin: They're walking around like this with their hand out. What's in it for me? What's in it for me? Instead of, you know, I was taught, and this ties back to the book again, you know, Self reliance, independence. Don't, don't tell me what you need me to do for you. Go do it yourself. Go do it yourself. And that was something that was ingrained in me.

Corey Dissin: I'm talking at seven, eight years old. I came from the generation where I wore a key around my neck. 

Erin Marcus: My brother, there's one in a tree. We had these lanyards, right? You had the lanyards with the key on them. Well, my brother would walk in. Spin his on his finger. So there's one in the sewer, there's one up in the tree, , like forever.

Erin Marcus: I mean, look, that was, ended up having to sit in the yard. I mean, 

Corey Dissin: you know, it was trial by fire and it wasn't like my parents were trying to be mean or anything. No, they wanted, my father always told me, when you leave this house, I want you to, I want to know that you can take care of yourself. And that was everything from letting yourself in outta school to preparing a meal.

Corey Dissin: To even, you know, I talk about this in the book where I was in high school and I was having an issue with a teacher for whatever the reason. My mother was a teacher, so I figured, oh, I can go home and talk to mom and she would understand because she's a teacher. You know what her answer was to me? She said, you want me to go have a conference with your teacher to talk about your problem?

Corey Dissin: I said, well, yeah, she goes, no, no, you're going to schedule your own conference. And I had to literally go to the teacher and say, I'd like to have an after school conference with you conduct the conference. And we cleared the air and figured it out and all was forgiven. But the point my mother was trying to make at that juncture was take care of yourself.

Corey Dissin: I'm not doing it for you. And that was, that was with everything, school, work, you know, work ethic, athletics, grades, you know, even just, you know, taking care of, you know, household chores, whatever it is, you know, they, they wanted that peace of mind that if they got hit by a bus, I could take care of myself.

Corey Dissin: And 

Erin Marcus: I think where the magic happens, where the magic for me and what I see, where the magic happens is when you combine everything we've been talking about with the anything's possible side. Right? Like this type of, you know, get there and grind just to, like you said, just to get a shitty pension and a gold watch.

Erin Marcus: That's not fun. But this type of grind to create the world you want for yourself is worth it every day. 

Corey Dissin: That's why we get up in the morning. You and I. 

Erin Marcus: Yeah. And that's where people think it's one or the other. They think, well, you either are handed the big fancy, which very few people are. You've got to go make your big fancy if you don't, if you weren't handed 

Corey Dissin: to it.

Corey Dissin: I mean, look, I'm living proof of that. I'm not a Rhodes Scholar. You know, I can't run a four flat 40 

Erin Marcus: can't run the 40 stop and breathe along the way my time in the same way. I like I did heavy lifting. I didn't do it. This is not an endurance body. I live real heavy. I didn't do anything 

Corey Dissin: that spectacular.

Corey Dissin: But what I could do is is I wasn't allergic to hard work. I got no problem showing up early, staying late, working, volunteering, working for free because I know that that was getting me street cred and making relationships and I could see down the road a few chess moves. If I just do this. Then this will happen.

Erin Marcus: Well, and so you see now, and I was the same way. Do the work, prove your value, get the promotion. Not get the promotion and then do the work. Now the flip side is, does that mean that there aren't corporations out there treating people like crap? Absolutely. Is that acceptable? No. But why would you sit there and complain?

Erin Marcus: Go, I, I didn't need a, the way that I say this is, I didn't need a social movement to tell me to quit every job I hated. 

Corey Dissin: You did that. 

Erin Marcus: Just, right, like, you suck, the job sucks, the money sucks, outta here. 

Corey Dissin: What I tell people is, and what you're talking about is, is you have to learn how to Shawshank your life.

Corey Dissin: And, you know, if you're not familiar with the Shawshank Redemption, well, that's your homework, people. Go watch the Shawshank Redemption because it talks a lot about patience and planning ahead, just to say it lightly. And I was in a situation where I worked for somebody else. I was top dog, making mad bank, but I wasn't fulfilled and I was miserable.

Corey Dissin: So I said, what can I do? To shawshank my life, to break free of this, be dependent on no one, call my own shots, call Yahtzee on the world, and do whatever the hell I want. And there's a series of steps that I took, but it all boils down to just being able to outwork the next person. Get up earlier. And I don't mean get up at six instead of 6 30.

Corey Dissin: Get up at three and do this, that, or the other. Go to bed late. Sacrifice something. Nobody wants to sacrifice anything, Erin. 

Erin Marcus: Yeah. And I'm, maybe it's age. I do believe it's more focused, not more hours, but I also know we all have the same, you know, if you look at the people, you know, and Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey are examples right now, if you look at what they have on their plates, do they have millions of dollars at their disposal so that they can have a date in Australia, a hundred percent, but put it down to your life.

Erin Marcus: We complain we can't go out on a Saturday night and yet we have, you know, they have the same amount of hours that we do. 

Corey Dissin: Well, it's priorities. 

Erin Marcus: It's, oh my God, that is my magic word. And this is like, you do not understand that every single action that you take, you understand, people do not understand that every single action that they take comes down to a simple, simple equation.

Erin Marcus: What is more important to you? Every single time. I do it 

Corey Dissin: all the time, Erin. I do it every time. All the time. It's like you got to make the decision if you want to get to the promised land, whatever that is for you, the perfect job, the perfect home, the perfect area of the country, whatever your whatever it 

Erin Marcus: is, 

Corey Dissin: whatever it is, you have to be willing to do X, Y, Z first.

Erin Marcus: I mean, and it's, it's so pervasive in our lives. If you just look at this, I know somebody who has an elderly parent, that parent lives in Florida. This person is far, far left. They don't want to go to Florida because they don't want to give the state of Florida any money by way of sales tax, you know, whatever, you know, have whatever.

Erin Marcus: Belief you want and I go back to your priority. So what you are telling me? It is more important that you don't give the state of florida the seven dollars That you would give them while they're there than it is to see an elderly parent It's prior. It's that simple of a priority, but we don't realize it and I get it in the moment with all the emotions We don't realize it But if you really look at everything you do and don't do You Is black and white what's more important to me this or the antithesis of it this or that 

Corey Dissin: But most people are afraid of the sacrifice.

Corey Dissin: It's hard And look the I'm both preaching to i'm preaching to the choir here because you understand this but for the folks that aren't wired the same way Of how we live and what we teach what we think is very matter of fact Is there's just like a huge chasm between, is 

Erin Marcus: that your nice way of telling me I'm a little weird

Corey Dissin: You're weird like me. We're both weird. I mean, I'm right there with you. Most, most people think I'm weird. I say that most people 

Erin Marcus: think I'm weird. 

Corey Dissin: That. I like being different. I like being the outlaw. I, I like putting out on social media that I do the same 10 things every stinking day. 

Erin Marcus: I can't 

Corey Dissin: do that. I have, I'm very consistent.

Corey Dissin: The joke that I make is if anybody ever wanted to assassinate me. It'd be 

Erin Marcus: so easy. I know exactly where to find 

Corey Dissin: you. Yeah, I'm very boring. You know, but. 

Erin Marcus: But here's the thing. You're totally 100 percent living life on your terms. 

Corey Dissin: One million percent, and I wouldn't have it any other way. 

Erin Marcus: And you don't have to be boring, in case you don't confuse.

Erin Marcus: We're saying you don't have to be boring to live life on your terms. 

Corey Dissin: But you do have to be consistent. 

Erin Marcus: You have to be consistent, you have to do the work. 

Corey Dissin: You can have a very fancy life, as long as you're consistently fancy. 

Erin Marcus: Yeah, 

Corey Dissin: it's the variation. It's the, if you're sporadic or if you only do things when you feel like it, you're not going to get where you want to be.

Corey Dissin: I always say action without emotion. Do, do the action. I 

Erin Marcus: think one of the reasons, yeah, and I think one of the reasons like we can talk about marketing and advertising and, you know, forget the conspiracy theory to keep you down and all, you know, but forget all, even that

Erin Marcus: people make a decision. They want the thing, but unfortunately. we've been in the last however many generations kind of been told it should be easy and that if it's hard it's wrong 

Corey Dissin: yeah to a degree i mean we've experienced the continued emphasis on laziness that's the easiest way i can articulate it because there's been one softest way or something that's come along that has removed the human effort Everything from how we cook our food, to how we talk on the phone, to how we access information.

Corey Dissin: Here's a perfect 

Erin Marcus: example. I bought a chair today, online, and I'm pissed. Today's Wednesday. And I'm pissed, because it's not coming here until Monday. I bought a chair for 100 with free shipping, and here I'm sit I don't even have to leave my house. It ain't gonna fit in the right? And that's the problem.

Corey Dissin: But that's the culture now. It's because there's a lot all of this you know, all of this It's kind of a lackadaisical sort of approach. I don't have to be moved with urgency. I can, I can press a button and get what I want. And people equate all of those things in the culture to how they should, you know, attack their life.

Corey Dissin: And it just doesn't work that way. 

Erin Marcus: Well, and I think we're, I think we're also realizing that as several of our institutions break down, the healthcare system is breaking down. You can't get a hold of the doctor. You can't get into the doctor. I can't get my, my very routine prescription refilled. The systems are breaking down.

Erin Marcus: It's 

Corey Dissin: a mess. 

Erin Marcus: It's, you know, I, Don't even get me started on what American Airlines did. They totally fixed it. They came through, they totally fixed it, but holy crap, like, and it was just a matter of systems breaking down. And so, by 

Corey Dissin: all of these systems, whatever it is in health care and politics in your daily lives, whatever it is, your people can choose to be at the mercy of those systems, or they could start calling the shots.

Corey Dissin: But most folks either don't know what to do, don't have the basic routines or steps in place to create that control they desperately want and that they complain they don't have. That's, that's the root right there. It's like, well, I can't do that. I'm not able to do that. So I'll just piss and moan about it.

Corey Dissin: I kind of just grabbed you by the shoulders and go 

Erin Marcus: and it's also, it's one of the reasons and I think we chatted about this when we met. It's one of the reasons that I think athletes are so interesting when it comes to owning a business and having and doing other things. Because they've been trained through something they were interested in on creating a routine, doing the work.

Erin Marcus: You know, in particular, I'm a big fan. You know, I was in powerlifting. My favorite thing I got out of that was you're not hurt. You're just uncomfortable. And my second favorite thing is failure is the goal. I'm not done lifting until I can't lift anymore. Failure is not a problem. It's the actual goal.

Corey Dissin: Yeah, because now you know where the new line of demarcation is. 

Erin Marcus: Right, and, and being able, I had a coach say this to me, I love working with people who are athletes or are athletes because they understand work the plan. An off day doesn't mean the plan didn't work, it just means you still have to work the plan.

Corey Dissin: I have the benefit of, yes, being athletic, You know, like I said, I'm not getting on stage in a G string, 

Erin Marcus: but 

Corey Dissin: I'm stronger than the average bear and I, I, I like to lift heavy things, but I'm, I, I've, I've applied that ethic. Yes. But I'm the parent of a professional athlete. So I get to, I get to sit in the cheap seats and watch it happen about the routine and the plan.

Corey Dissin: And if you want to get to that kind of level, it's all about. routine, small steps, failure, pushing through. If you, that's why a very minute percentage of the world gets there. Did 

Erin Marcus: you read I love the book. It's a little long, but the book does it make the boat go faster? 

Corey Dissin: I did not read that book.

Erin Marcus: It's about, I believe the English rowing team. I'm going to screw up the words. And it's about a guy who is on the team and then a business life coach, and they take turns writing chapters. And he, the, the rower tells the story of the British team that had fallen apart and how they got back on track. And then the coach applies it.

Erin Marcus: In the next chapter. 

Corey Dissin: I got you. 

Erin Marcus: Right? And it's literally the way they did it is it came down to every minor teeny tiny decision. Did it make the boat go faster? If it didn't make the boat go faster, they didn't do it. 

Corey Dissin: Right? And it's the accumulation. Those little teeny tiny things that turn into bigger things and bigger things and bigger things 

Erin Marcus: and gold medals.

Corey Dissin: And the way, the way that I translate that to the people that I deal with every day is most people in their lives spend their lives either staring at or dreaming of the summit of Mount Everest. I tell them, don't look at the top. Look at your feet. Look at your feet, take one step, then another, and another, and eventually, you're there.

Erin Marcus: Holy crap, there you are. Right, because humans have this weird thing where we're very all or nothing. I'm not there, so I might as well do nothing. 

Corey Dissin: Well, they're defeated. They feel like they failed if they didn't magically teleport from the base of the mountain to the top and then they give up and most or they get 100 yards up and they say, Oh, man, this is hard.

Corey Dissin: This is hard. The air is thin work to do. Yeah, I'm out of here. I'm bailing. So it's, you know, they either quit or they fail to even begin to try and it's that that is pervasive. 

Erin Marcus: So I have a random personal question. 

Corey Dissin: Go for it. 

Erin Marcus: How did you pick this? How did you, yeah, like my journey out of corporate, I owned a franchise, this is really what I was doing all along.

Erin Marcus: So the reason I do what I do is because it was really removing all of the crap to get to what I'm like, this is my, this is my square inch of genius. You damn near answered 

Corey Dissin: your own question. Because they're very similar for me too. Because I've always been. Are you sure 

Erin Marcus: we're not related? Like we're freaking twins.

Corey Dissin: It's hysteric. I've always been the, the, the shop steward, the supervisor, the manager, the leader, the captain, all those things. And especially as I was running a company, you know, I was responsible for, for making sure everyone pulled on the same side of the rope to get the money in the house. Everybody wins, gets their paycheck.

Corey Dissin: But I fell out of love With that particular company for a million different reasons that we don't have time to talk about and I didn't know that this Was a thing. 

Erin Marcus: Me neither. I had no idea. I didn't 

Corey Dissin: know and I saw and I'll tell you I got to give credit where it's due and I know if you don't know who this gentleman is I highly recommend you connect with him.

Corey Dissin: There's a gentleman who just me scrolling through LinkedIn. I'm talking this is like 2016 2017 and I bumped into this guy named Steve Nudelberg. N U D L E, Nudelberg. And He was doing these little talking head videos, and he's motivating sales teams, and he wrote a book, and, you know, and he's got this whole thing, and I was like, I can do that, maybe not the same as him, because he was real good, he still is, he's, I, mad respect for this man.

Corey Dissin: So I literally, one day, just out of the blue, I shot him a note on LinkedIn. And I said, Hey, man, I really like what you're doing. I like with some piece of content I saw or something. I said, I'd love to hop on the phone and pick your brain. And lucky me, he called me and we had a conversation. And I said to him, I said, man, Steve, if I can be half as successful.

Corey Dissin: As you, I would be just super fired up. And he said to me something that was like a Louisville slugger hitting me in the forehead and still resonates to me to this day. And I share it with everybody. He said, Corey, you are what you say you are. He said, you basically saying you got this. Go do it. Just do it.

Corey Dissin: So here we are fast forwarding an hour in 2024. And yeah, I got the book now. I'm doing the talking head stuff. I called Yahtzee and, and left the big company and went from employee to entrepreneur. And now I just want to tell everybody how I did it. That which I think has a very high value. Yes. And I heard a couple bucks off it and I get to go out to eat once a week.

Erin Marcus: It's all good. It's all good. I'm going to flip it on us though. 

Corey Dissin: Okay. 

Erin Marcus: What's something, let's shorten people's learning curves. One way you do that is with all the advice. Another thing you can, another way to shorten people's learning curves is I If you just don't do what I did, you'll be ahead of the game, right?

Corey Dissin: Okay, if you don't 

Erin Marcus: do what I did, what were some of the things that didn't work that you're like, just don't do what I did. You'll be ahead of the game.

Corey Dissin: One thing that I did too much and it took me a long time to learn how to control it is, is I acted emotionally. I had a temper, terrible temper. I mean, just fierce hair trigger, didn't take much. And what usually happened is, I said some dumb shit. 

Erin Marcus: That's all that happened. 

Corey Dissin: And you know, I probably could have handled some situations better.

Corey Dissin: I mean, in my mind, I was being assertive and standing up for myself. And there was probably a layer of that too. But now the easiest way I can describe it, I'm able to be much more Michael Corleone. I, I don't have to speak as loud. I could say what I want to say in fewer words, and I can just keep it to the facts.

Corey Dissin: And boy, that it comes in handy if it's service at a car dealership, you're trying to get something delivered, just to deal with American Airlines. I'm sure you pulled, you know, a few nuggets for that, but you'll learn how to be tactful, but you can still be tactful. firm and upfront and tough. You 

Erin Marcus: can have boundaries without being a jerk.

Corey Dissin: I had to learn that. I wasn't always very good at that. That took some practice because I have vivid memories of blasting clients if they owed us money. And at, to one point, One big ad agency wrote a letter to the owner telling him to fire me because I went so bananas. But yeah, I mean that, that would, I would start with that.

Corey Dissin: It's like I had to learn to kind of control the, 

Erin Marcus: regulate your emotions, 

Corey Dissin: a little more Bruce Banner, a little less Hulk. 

Erin Marcus: Well, and I think, okay, so for you, it came out in anger, but I think it can, it's really, the lesson is whatever your Out of control emotion is maybe it's not anger. Maybe it's retreat, right?

Erin Marcus: If you give, if you give up just as easily in cower. Well, that's not helpful either. Right? I mean, you can apply that. 

Corey Dissin: Take your time. Think. Yeah. Think about it. You know, a lesson that I learned not in the book, but something that's very relevant, you know, just in the business world was you don't have to make the decision immediately.

Erin Marcus: I said, none of us are working in the ER here. 

Corey Dissin: It'll, it, it, you can make the decision tomorrow. If there was some hot topic or something that was inflammatory or some bad situation to deal with, you didn't have to make the call right then. Sleep on it, think about it, and then it'll still be there tomorrow.

Erin Marcus: Yeah. 

Corey Dissin: And I was always like, action, action, action, action, action, like Tasmanian devil, bull in a china closet. Just go, make a mess. And I had to learn just to. Sometimes blow your roll. . Cool, brother. Cool. Your 

Erin Marcus: roll. What do I say? You're outta 10. I need you at a five, right? 

Corey Dissin: Probably. That's probably the reason why I lost all my hair.

Corey Dissin: Probably singed off 

Erin Marcus: because 

Corey Dissin: I was always burning about something. 

Erin Marcus: That's awesome. So now that we've scared everybody right now, if people want to continue this conversation with you, learn more about you, what you do, how you help people, all the cool things, get ahold of your book, which is awesome. What is the best way for them to get ahold of you?

Corey Dissin: I mean, you literally Corey Disson. com C O R E Y D I S S I N. com. I always joke. If you Google me and you can't find me, I'm probably the worst marketing person you'll ever meet. So it should be fairly easy. If you just Google my name, there's millions of things, but koreydisson. com, you can get the book right off of there.

Corey Dissin: You can contact me off of there. I'm all over social media. Heck, you and I aren't even sitting, 

Erin Marcus: if it 

Corey Dissin: wasn't for LinkedIn, which is a beautiful thing. Because I believe we're fighting the same fight and I'm grateful that we had the opportunity to talk today. 

Erin Marcus: Well, I highly recommend I can, I can tell everyone you do reply.

Erin Marcus: So this is awesome. Thank you for spending your time with me, your energy. I'm excited about what comes next for us, even though I don't know what that is. I'm sure we'll come up with something. 

Corey Dissin: Hey man, let's rock. I'm ready. 

Erin Marcus: Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. 

Corey Dissin: Thank you.