343 The Black Hole

343 The Black Hole THE BLACK HOLE!

Kelly drops a State of the Union speech, and then the gang talks about Disney's The Black Hole.

Also discussed: Primate, 28 Years Later: The Bone Temple, Dungencrawler Carl.

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Speaker 3
 This is very upsetting to me.

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Speaker 6
 As

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Speaker 6
 We have such sights to show you.

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Speaker 6
 Strange eons.

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Speaker 2
 Strangie ons Radio, that is Eric over there.

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Speaker 1
 Hello.

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Speaker 2
 That is Vanessa over

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Speaker 2
 there.

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Speaker 3
 Hello.

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Speaker 2
 I am Kelly, you guys, so lovely to see you after everything that has been going

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Speaker 2
 on.

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Speaker 3
 It's been so long.

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Speaker 2
 Yes, so I'm going to give just a very quick state of the union.

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Speaker 3
 Oh God.

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 (Laughing)

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Speaker 2
 I do this?

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Speaker 2
 That better?

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Speaker 2
 Well, let's just keep going. We don't edit anymore is what I've heard.

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 (Laughing)

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Speaker 2
 Poor Eric.

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Speaker 2
 yeah, so I'm just getting over the plague, and you might hear a couple of coughs in here. We're going completely wireless, as you can see, which I

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Speaker 2
 love.

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Speaker 3
 It's so weird. I have to see your guys' faces.

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Speaker 2
 Yeah.

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Speaker 3
 I'm not like restricted by a certain amount of inches. What direction I can move.

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Speaker 3
 This is very upsetting to me.

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Speaker 2
 And I

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Speaker 2
 wanted to not push this off any longer

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Speaker 2
 and force you guys to have to listen to Eric not know the name of his own podcast

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Speaker 2
 again.

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 (Laughing)

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Speaker 3
 Yes, please, please save us from ourselves. What the hell?

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 (Laughing)

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Speaker 2
 So, you guys, my dad passed away a couple weeks ago, and we knew it was coming. It was six months before it happened that he was already in the hospital, and he just kept hanging on and everything. So, a lot of relief, a lot of sadness and depression, anyway. So, I am not sure exactly how that means for our schedule because I'm still trying to figure out what my family's gonna require, personally, I'm going to require. It could be just copious amounts of alcohol.

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Speaker 3
 Noted.

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Speaker 2
 Talking more about films.

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Speaker 2
 Yeah.

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Speaker 2
 I'm writing this new story that Nick Gucker is illustrating, and I got to this halfway point, and it's kind of whimsical and dark and all this stuff, and then I get to this halfway point where my hero loses his father figure, and I started writing this stuff, and I was like, "Eek!"

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Speaker 2
 This is clearly how I feel, not how he would feel.

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Speaker 2
 So, it's going to affect probably a lot of

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Speaker 2
 things.

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Speaker 3
 Oh yeah.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah, and of course we're willing to roll with it. I know that our listeners are gonna be very willing to move around what makes sense for you.

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Speaker 2
 I wanted

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Speaker 2
 to reach out and say thank you to a couple of people who reached out to me during all of this. Will Lau,

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Speaker 2
 Ron, Danny, a lot of people who just were there to say, "Hey, man, you doing okay?" And I was like, "Absolutely not."

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 (Laughing)

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Speaker 3
 That's what we like to hear.

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Speaker 2
 Well, it did not help that I got this monstrous cold like two days after my dad passed, and I felt like kind of my body going, "All right, so we've been working hard this whole time, "and now you're going to catch everything "that you were supposed to catch "over the last several months."

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Speaker 2
 So, and I, oh, you guys, this was the worst cold I have ever had in my life. My head hurts so much that every time I coughed, it would just be this explosion in my head. And at one day, I coughed so hard and so long that I pulled a muscle in my

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Speaker 2
 my neck.

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Speaker 3
 Oh my God.

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Speaker 2
 getting over that.

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Speaker 2
 My nose has been a just 24 hour a day snot factory, and I was like, "Wow, I don't know what this is," but I thought about taking a COVID test, and then I was like, "This is so much worse "than any of the times I had COVID. "This is clearly not COVID."

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Speaker 3
 Yeah, yeah. And I feel like with COVID, it's such a specific set of things. No, I don't think it's the snot. I think it's much more just like coughing that you just can't stop, but yeah.

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Speaker 2
 Well, I was there.

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Speaker 2
 But I seem to be over the hump now.

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Speaker 3
 Excellent.

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Speaker 3
 Well enough to sit here with us and talk about movies and--

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Speaker 2
 you guys might hear, unfortunately, our microphones are right here now. I can't turn to cough, and I still have a bit of dry cough, so we'll see how this all goes. I wish we had a little cough button.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah, just to mute yourself. Yeah, a little thing.

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 (Laughing)

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Speaker 3
 Yeah.

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Speaker 2
 Okay.

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Speaker 3
 I know, normally I twist my head away to make various sounds. And now-- You can't listen like this. Yeah, there you go. We definitely won't hear thump.

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 (Imitating Thump)

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Speaker 3
 As your hand moves over the mic.

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Speaker 2
 All right, as you guys may have guessed, I have seen a shitload of stuff.

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Speaker 3
 I was gonna say either you've seen everything or literally nothing.

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Speaker 2
 Mostly what I like to do when I'm sick is kind of go back to my comfort food. So, you know, but I have seen some new stuff here, and let's see, what am I gonna talk about? I think I'm gonna talk about two films at once right now.

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Speaker 2
 One of them is called Primate, which is about a pet monkey that goes insane with rabies and attacks its owners, and the other one is called Killer Whale, which is about a killer whale in a SeaWorld-type environment that they let go, and it gets caught in a rocky area and starts killing people in it. So it's two animal attack movies, both of them not very good.

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Speaker 2
 Primate is the better of the two because chimpanzees are fucking terrifying, and the people who live with them, I feel like, boy, you are rolling the

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Speaker 2
 dice every day.

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Speaker 3
 It's a ticking time bomb for sure.

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Speaker 2
 yeah, because when the chimps decide they've had enough, the way that they attack anything, but a human in this case, is to tear its jaw off and then to tear its genitals out. That is real life what a chimp will do first thing because they don't want you to be able to attack them, and they also wanna incapacitate you. So there is a little of this in the Primate movie. Oh, all right. Yeah, and so there's some stress and some scares in it. It's a Blumhouse movie.

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Speaker 3
 This is that brand new one, right? Okay.

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Speaker 1
 seemed to hit hard and fade pretty quickly,

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Speaker 2
 Well, yeah, I didn't even look at the reviews or anything, but I see nobody's talking about it.

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Speaker 2
 Less people are talking about killer whale, probably because they're like, how can you turn these majestic creatures into something evil? And admittedly, the filmmakers do not do a good job of it. Because mostly because I can't figure out,

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Speaker 2
 I'm like three quarters through the movie before I was like, is this the same killer whale that was in captivity? They never showed it getting out or the people releasing it or anything. It might just believe, because all of a sudden you see this killer whale and his fin is tipped over like they are in captivity. And I'm like, I think this is the same killer whale. How did it get from SeaWorld to this rocky enclosure?

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Speaker 3
 They like forgot the plot. They forgot to write like it's- I could have ghost any number of things.

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Speaker 2
 but it took me a while.

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Speaker 1
 They have such

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Speaker 1
 a easy kind of-- a certain crowd-pleasing storyline going on in the real world with the Killer Whales out there taking out yachts and stuff. Why not play off of that?

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Speaker 2
 I think that this was probably made because people are starting to get a little worried. They're starting to realize that these things,

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Speaker 2
 you probably shouldn't be that comfortable next to

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Speaker 2
 them in the locker.

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Speaker 3
 No, yeah.

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Speaker 2
 just because they haven't

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Speaker 2
 adapted to this.

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Speaker 3
 They're giant wild animals.

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Speaker 2
 yeah. And we're starting to see the footage now, the drone footage of like that one killer whale attacking the great white. And you see how fucking quick it is and everything. And you're like, oh, this is a bad motherfucker.

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Speaker 1
 Yeah. Somebody saw something when they named it.

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Speaker 2
 A scared creature.

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Speaker 2
 Did you know that the name killer whale actually started off as whale killers because killer whales are in fact dolphins, not whales at all.

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Speaker 3
 There you

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Speaker 2
 go.

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Speaker 3
 Oh. Did you know that? No. Yeah. Huh, wait, Killer Wh- like orcas are in the dolphin family? Yep. I did not know this.

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Speaker 2
 so the real world, the real phrase was whale killers because they do attack sperm whales and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3
 Oh.

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Speaker 2
 And that turned into killer whales over.

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Speaker 2
 over.

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Speaker 3
 I just thought people were like stupid and they're like, it's black and white, danger.

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 (Laughing)

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Speaker 3
 I don't know. What is black and white and danger? I don't know. That's right.

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Speaker 3
 Back in the day before we, you know, had established that.

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Speaker 2
 That's

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Speaker 2
 back in the old days before there was color.

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Speaker 1
 was color. Yes.

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Speaker 2
 color.

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Speaker 3
 You're at the sea and you're like, huh, that's a different looking thing. It's scary looking.

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Speaker 2
 So, primate, I'll give a soft recommend to and killer whale I will give a recommend to and that recommend is don't watch.

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Speaker 3
 Okay. Oh

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Speaker 3
 Oh man, truly, truly excellent.

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Speaker 3
 Well, speaking of soft or non-recommendations, I would go with, I saw Marty Supreme, which I know I was just talking to you guys about right before we started recording.

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Speaker 3
 It's definitely an incredible film, I think.

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Speaker 3
 Chalamet, you know, whatever awards he gets, he will deserve out of this. It really does show he has an incredible range, as if we didn't already know that.

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Speaker 3
 There's a really interesting story in there, but there's like a lot of story, and I'm not entirely sure what the purpose of it is sometimes. It feels like you're in a freight train, because it's by the same guys who did Uncut Gems and Good Times.

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Speaker 3
 And it's, you're in a freight train moving forward, but why you're moving forward in the way that you are is very difficult, and on top of it, he's like a narcissistic character, so having sympathy for him, especially by the time you get to the end, it feels almost unearned to an extent. It is a good movie, but if you stop to think about it, and you know, why did we do this, what is the purpose of that, why are we watching this film at all? It's a little bit rough around the edges.

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Speaker 2
 I didn't realize it was Timothy Chalamet.

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Speaker 3
 Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2
 That'll stop me from watching it

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Speaker 3
 Oh, then you're gonna hate

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Speaker 2
 I just do not like this

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Speaker 2
 kid.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah, no, he's the lead, and he's having sex with people, so you have to watch him, more of him than normal. No.

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 (Laughing)

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Speaker 3
 So he's not just longingly looking towards Zendaya. He's, we get a lot of butt, and we got a lot of all kinds of stuff. And it's, oh, Insane Blonde Lady,

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Speaker 3
 who married Coldplay. Gwyneth.

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Speaker 3
 Gwyneth Paltrow. Yeah, I always get a little weirded out when I see her and stuff, because even though I like certain things she's in, like it's. You just think it goof and go. Yeah, I think of how insane she is currently,

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Speaker 2
 think of every actor going, I can smell your egg.

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 (Laughing)

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Speaker 3
 I'm back, baby! And my breakfast is making its way forward.

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Speaker 1
 Did you have eggs?

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Speaker 3
 Yeah.

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Speaker 1
 Okay,

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Speaker 1
 Okay. So I'm going off different realm. The one of the Crypticon Seattle guests this year is a local author named Matt Diniman who is known for dungeon crawler

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Speaker 1
 Carl."

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Speaker 2
 Yeah, even I've heard of this book.

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Speaker 1
 Which

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Speaker 1
 is a man you walk into a Barnes and Noble anymore the new ones that are propping up again. He has a

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Speaker 1
 table.

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Speaker 2
 Wow, that's cool.

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Speaker 1
 And all

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Speaker 1
 his stuff.

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Speaker 1
 And I can tell you the books are an absolute blast. I'm into the fifth one. I think he's got seven with an eight coming out soon and the it's kind of called lit RPG literature RPG because it's very much like you're he gets the earth gets destroyed. I won't go into too many details because it's detailed and everybody that survives the initial destruction becomes a part of this giant universe wide TV show where they're watched and this particular iteration of the TV show is kind of dungeon the dragons like you're going through dungeons and you got spells and you're certain kinds of characters and

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Speaker 1
 it's Carl and his cat who is donut princess donut who talks and is the spell cat. And has charisma out the way because you know she's adorable and I know that and man it is just a hoot. It's one of those books that's written. It's written well. It has weird holes sometimes weird moments like but everything goes so fast like like even I was not too big of a fan of the concept for the third book which was everything was running on trains and the way it set up was okay cool this feels really repetitive but the stuff that was good is still great and the fifth book I'm reading right now is freaking fantastic.

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Speaker 2
 Wow.

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Speaker 3
 So is in each book, or is it like a new scenario that he's going through some kind of, not dungeon, but he's going through some kind of, not dungeon, but you know, some version of a game?

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Speaker 1
 Yeah yeah they keep they keep they've got a certain amount of time on each level and then they have to go down stairs to get to the next level and the level above collapses so if you don't make it you're

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Speaker 1
 squished. Oh, okay. And

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Speaker 1
 then that new level you have to figure out what's going on and how things have to be

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Speaker 1
 done.

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Speaker 3
 Is this cat magical in every level?

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Speaker 1
 Yeah,

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Speaker 1
 cats pretty pretty annoying at times just like a cat and then totally awesome and adorable at other times. So it's like yeah Matt owns a cat probably a lot of cats but the the scenarios are just fun and ridiculous and the the play from stuff that happens in like they also go on like TV interview shows and there's a top 10 count for the most watched most followed dungeon crawlers and they tie stuff from the first book comes back up in the fifth book and times and it doesn't feel like oh okay this makes sense and maybe it's because I'm just reading them all in a row I'm having no problem remembering what happened four books back but if you're at all interested in the fun a fun sci-fi fantasy book highly recommended.

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Speaker 2
 Are they big books?

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Speaker 1
 They

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Speaker 1
 vary but yeah they're usually the one this current one's over 700

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Speaker 1
 700 pages.

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Speaker 1
 Most of them are four,

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Speaker 1
 to three to five hundred four to five

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Speaker 3
 Is he a local author?

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Speaker 1
 years ago he was selling these at Cryptocontin Seattle's booth I'm like I wish I would have bought one of those man I was looking up because he self-published for a couple years and then Ace picked him up and so he's got like

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Speaker 2
 A back catalog.

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Speaker 1
 books are exclusive to his Kickstarter so that version of the books now you can see like five hundred dollars and stuff on eBay so he's he's doing all right.

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Speaker 2
 Dungeon Crawler Carl, what's the author's name again?

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Speaker 1
 Matt Dibian.

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Speaker 2
 Oh, Dinion? Okay.

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Speaker 1
 Dinniman.

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Speaker 2
 Dinion, that's what I thought, yeah.

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 (Clears Throat)

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Speaker 2
 Okay, cool.

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Speaker 2
 Well then, the other movie I watched, I just watched last night, it's brand new on Shudder, and it is called Mother of Flies.

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Speaker 1
 the new Smith.

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Speaker 2
 I love you.

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Speaker 3
 It's like a nice track. Smith.

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Speaker 3
 It's a Smith family in the movie.

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Speaker 1
 They're like they live next door to

[01:16:55:10 - 01:16:55:19]
Speaker 1
 the Adams.

[01:16:55:19 - 01:16:56:08]
Speaker 2
 That's right.

[01:16:59:16 - 01:17:02:14]
Speaker 2
 This is, if you're not familiar with the Adams family, 1D.

[01:17:04:05 - 01:17:06:12]
Speaker 2
 They are a family of four,

[01:17:08:03 - 01:17:14:04]
Speaker 2
 two daughters and a husband and wife, or mother and father, and they make horror movies.

[01:17:14:04 - 01:17:15:19]
Speaker 1
 And-- Really,

[01:17:15:19 - 01:17:16:16]
Speaker 1
 really great people.

[01:17:16:16 - 01:18:01:12]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, and they're low budget films, but some of them are really quite good. And they're not no budget films. They're just low budget films. So, whoever you're not seeing acting on screen is generally holding the camera. And they do their own music, they do everything. They have one guy who comes in and does special effects that's now somebody that they're like, we brought this guy into the family, basically. But they're also like, if he shows up on a day when we're not shooting effects, he ends up holding the camera. So, it's amazing to watch, like, if you go into IMDB, you see casting crew, but then you can hit that button that says all casting crew, and it's just their four

[01:18:01:12 - 01:18:02:06]
Speaker 1
 It doesn't really

[01:18:02:06 - 01:18:02:17]
Speaker 1
 change.

[01:18:02:17 - 01:18:03:22]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, it's hilarious.

[01:18:05:01 - 01:18:12:06]
Speaker 2
 And so this one, "Mother of Flies," is about a young girl who has cancer, and she's young. She's college age, maybe.

[01:18:13:14 - 01:18:16:23]
Speaker 2
 And she has tried everything, and she has decided to,

[01:18:18:05 - 01:18:19:21]
Speaker 2
 as a last gasp,

[01:18:21:12 - 01:18:31:13]
Speaker 2
 go to this woman in the woods who is a witch. And the witch has told her, yeah, I can get rid of this. And I'll do it for free.

[01:18:34:00 - 01:18:34:00]
 (Laughing)

[01:18:35:04 - 01:18:44:07]
Speaker 2
 So, as we know, there's always a cost for this stuff. This movie is pretty good. The acting was a little rougher than the last couple.

[01:18:45:14 - 01:18:52:10]
Speaker 2
 They did one that was like a traveling carnival show that was like a much bigger scope. I was like, wow, they put some money into this.

[01:18:53:21 - 01:19:08:20]
Speaker 2
 And I didn't like that one so much, but I thought that the acting was really strong in it. I was like, boy, they have made another step up. But I didn't like the movie as much. I like this one a little better, but still not as much as I loved "Hellbender."

[01:19:09:22 - 01:19:28:15]
Speaker 2
 I thought that was just a really solid movie by these guys, basically a dark Phoenix story about a young girl who realizes she's been lied to her life and she is coming into her own witchy powers now. And it's really good. Anyhow, these people are really neat. If you get a chance, are they gonna be a crypticon this year?

[01:19:28:15 - 01:19:28:18]
Speaker 1
 Let me

[01:19:28:18 - 01:19:34:15]
Speaker 1
 to say a couple years ago at Krypton Seo they were we did their first convention

[01:19:34:15 - 01:19:35:17]
Speaker 2
 That's

[01:19:35:17 - 01:19:35:22]
Speaker 1
 right.

[01:19:35:22 - 01:19:36:09]
Speaker 3
 That's what I said. Aw.

[01:19:36:09 - 01:19:55:12]
Speaker 1
 two years ago. I haven't heard anything yet for this year but they've done two years in a row so it might be a flip off. I hope not because they have so much fun. And they are really great. They are really just a family that makes movies that happens to be talented enough to

[01:19:55:12 - 01:19:55:17]
Speaker 1
 for--

[01:19:55:17 - 01:20:03:19]
Speaker 3
 Do these kids go to school? Are their parents like, "No, no, we will have you home "and educate you here through the light of cinema."

[01:20:03:19 - 01:20:04:09]
Speaker 1
 I believe,

[01:20:04:09 - 01:20:11:00]
Speaker 1
 I mean like high school and stuff. They did that because I thought I read things about them being shot on night and weekends for

[01:20:11:00 - 01:20:11:14]
Speaker 2
 Yeah.

[01:20:13:03 - 01:20:14:23]
Speaker 1
 But I don't know about college.

[01:20:14:23 - 01:20:20:20]
Speaker 2
 Well, I can answer that, because the oldest daughter actually had to come back from college to shoot this movie.

[01:20:22:01 - 01:20:25:17]
Speaker 2
 And one of the questions the interviewer was asking her was,

[01:20:26:19 - 01:20:44:20]
Speaker 2
 so what's it like? Because I assume in your high school, you guys were kind of a big deal. You're out making movies and all this stuff, and then you go to a big city university, and she was like, yeah, it's completely different. But we were never acting like it was super cool anyway. They do seem very, very down to

[01:20:44:20 - 01:20:45:06]
Speaker 2
 earth.

[01:20:45:06 - 01:20:45:21]
Speaker 3
 Yes. Mm.

[01:20:45:21 - 01:20:48:10]
Speaker 2
 great. And a little hippie-ish.

[01:20:48:10 - 01:21:02:13]
Speaker 3
 Sure, yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah, so for somebody who's never seen any of these movies by them, would you recommend "Hellbender" as the one to go for, or what would you say as a recommend for?

[01:21:02:13 - 01:21:03:04]
Speaker 2
 I

[01:21:03:04 - 01:21:12:10]
Speaker 2
 think so, because I like that one so much. I like that story so much. But that one that was a traveling carnival, like something about the devil.

[01:21:12:10 - 01:21:12:15]
Speaker 2
 had the devil.

[01:21:12:15 - 01:21:15:00]
Speaker 1
 Yeah I had the same reaction to it. You did it. I was kind of like oh.

[01:21:16:09 - 01:21:21:07]
Speaker 2
 It looks cool, it looks more professional. The acting looks better. I didn't think it was as good in movie.

[01:21:22:18 - 01:21:29:10]
Speaker 2
 But everything is available on Shutter. So you just go up and look up all their movies and see the ratings and pick

[01:21:29:10 - 01:21:29:18]
Speaker 2
 one.

[01:21:29:18 - 01:21:33:01]
Speaker 3
 Well, yes, for those who have lots of time.

[01:21:33:20 - 01:21:33:21]
 (Laughing)

[01:21:33:21 - 01:21:48:17]
Speaker 3
 I'm sure you can just watch them all back to back. Oh, they can help. Anyway. Some of us are watching "Brave" five times a day. Hey, let's do it. I know. Frozen? Merida. Yeah, she's like in the Scottish songs now.

[01:21:48:17 - 01:21:50:05]
 (Laughing)

[01:21:51:10 - 01:21:58:05]
Speaker 3
 You picking up an accent? No, but she can't say "Brave" or "Merida," so you kind of have to guess when she wants to watch it. There's sort of a

[01:21:58:05 - 01:21:59:05]
 (Mumbling)

[01:21:59:05 - 01:22:01:13]
Speaker 3
 and you're like, "Oh, the child wants something."

[01:22:02:13 - 01:22:03:03]
Speaker 3
 Is it milk?

[01:22:04:04 - 01:22:04:09]
Speaker 3
 No.

[01:22:05:16 - 01:22:05:16]
 (Laughing)

[01:22:05:16 - 01:22:20:01]
Speaker 3
 You just hover over the screenshot going, is it this? Is it this one? And you press play and she's like, "No!" And you're like, whoa, whoops, back, back. Different one, different one. Yes, we've entered "Toddlerdub." That being said, though,

[01:22:20:08 - 01:22:27:23]
Speaker 3
 last night I got to go out and watch 28 Days Late or 28 Years Later at the Bone Temple.

[01:22:29:08 - 01:23:48:02]
Speaker 3
 Um wow that was a hell of a movie. Yeah yeah I definitely recommend it. I could not figure out from the trailer what the hell I was going to see and I'm kind of glad for that. I think that it's it's sort of better to go in just sort of knowing the previous movie and going I don't know where the fuck they're gonna go with these Jimmy guys and you know this you know Spike Kid what's gonna happen and from the posters and the trailer you do know that of course we're gonna go back to the Bone Temple with Ian the Doctor guy but um it's it's fun it's it gave me a few jump scares there's some fucking gross shit in that movie. I was like I don't know if I have the stomach for horror movies anymore. I like was just like I literally was just covering my eyes and averting completely. I was like I can't watch this is too much and there was one jump scare that got me really bad and I got really mad after because I was like fucking jump scares piss me off every goddamn time. Um but yeah I would highly recommend it and say check it out ideally in movie theater if you can but if you can't it's still it's a solid film so I think um I mean I liked it more than the previous one but I think that they work very well together considering they're directed by different people.

[01:23:48:02 - 01:23:54:00]
Speaker 2
 And this is the second in the trilogy, right? Okay. Does it end on another cliffhanger?

[01:23:54:00 - 01:24:13:16]
Speaker 3
 Um no it's it's not well yes and no it's it's a continuation you can see how like okay we're gonna move on into a new part of a story but you're not going uh oh what's gonna our is our hero is gonna make it? I don't know because you kind of finish up that chapter.

[01:24:14:22 - 01:24:22:15]
Speaker 3
 Yeah yeah no it's but it's it's interesting it it goes somewhere where you're like I wonder how this is all gonna tie together so.

[01:24:22:15 - 01:24:29:04]
Speaker 2
 So. 28 years later, Bone Table. I know you're looking forward to this. Yeah. I don't think I'm going to bother you.

[01:24:29:04 - 01:24:31:01]
Speaker 2
 I just did not like that last

[01:24:31:01 - 01:24:31:09]
Speaker 2
 one.

[01:24:31:09 - 01:24:33:00]
Speaker 3
 Do you like Metal music?

[01:24:33:00 - 01:24:34:00]
Speaker 2
 Yeah.

[01:24:33:21 - 01:24:47:06]
Speaker 3
 You should see this. What? Yeah I'm not even fucking kidding you're gonna like it you're gonna like it. Sounds unkind of Metal music too. Well I can't tell you that. I'm not gonna give you any first of all I know nothing about Metal. Oh it's features. Second of all.

[01:24:48:11 - 01:24:49:01]
Speaker 1
 Maybe Holitz

[01:24:49:01 - 01:24:49:12]
Speaker 1
 has seen it.

[01:24:49:12 - 01:24:59:17]
Speaker 2
 Well, wait a second. It has to take place 28 years after a zombie. So the music has to be very different than what we are actually getting 28 years later. Right?

[01:25:01:03 - 01:25:10:23]
Speaker 1
 I don't know. These future things never-- They always know-- No matter how far in the future a movie is, they always know about whatever pop culture's going on. In the decade the movie was made.

[01:25:10:23 - 01:25:13:02]
Speaker 2
 Fine. Keep your secrets.

[01:25:13:12 - 01:25:15:17]
Speaker 3
 I'm just gonna stay here with my water bottle.

[01:25:17:05 - 01:25:21:03]
Speaker 3
 You can you know nothing you can either see the movie or not that's up to you Kelly.

[01:25:21:03 - 01:25:21:14]
Speaker 2
 Okay.

[01:25:21:14 - 01:25:27:18]
Speaker 1
 Okay. Already then. Okay. Well, mine was different from that sort of-- Well, yeah. Presents.

[01:25:28:21 - 01:25:30:07]
Speaker 1
 Steven Soderbergh's film from

[01:25:30:07 - 01:25:34:07]
Speaker 3
 Yes yeah Kelly have you seen that one? Because I have.

[01:25:34:07 - 01:25:37:02]
Speaker 2
 I'm not the Soderberg fan that you guys are, I think.

[01:25:37:02 - 01:25:37:02]
Speaker 2
 think.

[01:25:37:02 - 01:25:39:06]
Speaker 3
 I don't know if I'm a fan but he exists.

[01:25:39:06 - 01:25:43:07]
Speaker 1
 He's done some great films, but then he went and-- He's become very

[01:25:43:07 - 01:25:43:18]
Speaker 1
 experimental.

[01:25:43:18 - 01:25:44:06]
Speaker 2
 Yes.

[01:25:45:18 - 01:25:46:21]
Speaker 1
 this is another one of these.

[01:25:46:21 - 01:25:47:20]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, that's what I heard.

[01:25:47:20 - 01:26:05:23]
Speaker 1
 And it took me-- I saw nothing about it. I saw a presence of Soderbergh. Okay, I'll watch it. And it has a really neat experiment going on in the film, and it's not a giveaway because it happens right from the beginning. I'm like, "This is an-- Oh, I see what they're doing here." It's shot from the POV of the

[01:26:05:23 - 01:26:06:05]
Speaker 1
 ghost.

[01:26:06:05 - 01:26:06:15]
Speaker 1
 Yeah.

[01:26:07:23 - 01:26:32:02]
Speaker 1
 And for about most of the film, for a good chunk of the film, oh, this is funny and interesting. And then the story just kind of gets a little long. I'm like, "Okay." And I thought the ending was good, most of the beginning was good, but there's definitely a middle where it's like, "Oh, okay. This would have been a really good 40-minute long

[01:26:32:02 - 01:26:35:21]
Speaker 1
 short or something. Yeah there's some weird padding going on.

[01:26:35:21 - 01:26:57:16]
Speaker 3
 You do get because there's that claustrophobia and some people do like Hitchcock does great when you're stuck in one place but some people are like okay well I'm in a closet it's the same people what has changed to make this continue to be interesting and I think the answer in that film is not a lot. Right exactly. It's more the same. Yeah it's

[01:26:57:16 - 01:26:59:19]
Speaker 1
 it's not that much of a--

[01:27:01:06 - 01:27:03:01]
Speaker 1
 I don't know. It didn't feel like a--

[01:27:04:12 - 01:27:17:14]
Speaker 1
 I mean, at least it didn't turn into a Plum House movie where suddenly by the end, the-- Down the body on. So it's just throwing everybody out the windows, and the house explodes. But it also didn't ratchet up the

[01:27:17:14 - 01:27:25:22]
Speaker 1
 creep factor enough. I agree. Yeah. Really great ending but I thought it'd be fun and it was interesting to watch for quite a while.

[01:27:25:22 - 01:27:35:17]
Speaker 3
 Yeah yeah I think I had the same experience. I felt like it was pretty it was a pretty fun interesting ride. There was a few moments where I was like okay fine.

[01:27:35:17 - 01:27:36:01]
Speaker 1
 Some of the

[01:27:36:01 - 01:27:44:21]
Speaker 2
 What is the story that is happening in the real world? Is it a drama? Is it a mystery? Yeah, it's a family drama. Oh, okay.

[01:27:44:21 - 01:28:04:03]
Speaker 3
 Yeah it's the ghost kind of is living in the teenage daughter's room. So you're supposed to be the core but it goes everywhere. It just goes everywhere. You're kind of getting the story through her a bit more. Like she's just the black sheep of the family. Like she's just she's got depressed. She's a depressed teenager.

[01:28:04:03 - 01:28:11:21]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, and mom and dad are having a rough time. I mean, it's a stronger family dynamic. Probably would have helped the movie.

[01:28:11:21 - 01:28:15:13]
Speaker 3
 I hated that mom. God she was a piece of

[01:28:15:13 - 01:28:17:00]
Speaker 1
 crap. He was the part of the

[01:28:17:00 - 01:28:17:07]
Speaker 1
 problem.

[01:28:17:07 - 01:28:17:20]
Speaker 1
 It's Lucy

[01:28:17:20 - 01:28:18:04]
Speaker 1
 Lucy Lou.

[01:28:18:04 - 01:28:25:18]
Speaker 3
 Yeah Lucy Lou you just were like I you are an intolerable character and I don't care about you at all. I need to stop looking at your face.

[01:28:25:18 - 01:28:26:02]
Speaker 1
 Almost

[01:28:26:02 - 01:28:33:05]
Speaker 1
 I felt like every decision you want to make about your daughter is wrong. I know. And the fact that you're-- you won't let your husband input at

[01:28:33:05 - 01:28:39:01]
Speaker 3
 Yeah it's like it was weird. It was way too one-dimensional. Yes. Yeah.

[01:28:39:01 - 01:28:46:18]
Speaker 1
 it's-- I mean, if you're a Soderbergh fan, like we are, you'll probably get something out of it. But it's not one that's like-- I'd go, "Kerry, I know you've hated his last, like, four

[01:28:46:18 - 01:28:47:04]
Speaker 1
 movies.

[01:28:47:04 - 01:28:47:09]
Speaker 2
 Yeah.

[01:28:47:09 - 01:28:48:06]
Speaker 1
 This one,

[01:28:48:06 - 01:28:50:10]
Speaker 3
 no.

[01:28:50:13 - 01:28:52:06]
Speaker 2
 Love the first couple though.

[01:28:52:06 - 01:28:53:01]
Speaker 1
 Oh, man, you did some

[01:28:53:01 - 01:28:53:11]
Speaker 1
 some good.

[01:28:53:11 - 01:29:03:19]
Speaker 2
 But that's because he was kind of... We were coming off the Tarantino copycats and stuff like that. He was like a little cooler Tarantino.

[01:29:03:19 - 01:29:04:10]
Speaker 1
 Yeah.

[01:29:05:16 - 01:29:17:04]
Speaker 2
 And I hate that about myself too, because it's the curse of the artist. The artist wants to continue growing. The fan wants the artist to continue being the thing that they love. So I am falling into the bad

[01:29:17:04 - 01:29:17:06]
Speaker 2
 bad.

[01:29:17:06 - 01:29:32:08]
Speaker 3
 Well it's tough because you sometimes you get burned John Carpenter. So it can be really tough when you love somebody you love their work and all of a sudden they divert for whatever reason and it's like oh I don't know.

[01:29:32:08 - 01:29:47:11]
Speaker 1
 of being an interesting diver-- Well, I mean, and Carpenter's an interesting example because he did diversity in his filmmaking styles. I mean, it's not like he made Halloween ten times and we loved all ten of those. He made-- Wow. But once he slipped, it's

[01:29:47:11 - 01:29:47:17]
Speaker 1
 like.

[01:29:47:17 - 01:30:10:04]
Speaker 3
 And it's not just Carpenter. I mean like I feel that way about Spielberg too. As soon as I saw Bridge of Spies I was like what the fuck is this. This is the one the worst movies I've seen sir. Like really. I mean it's not but it's just I'm nervous every time I see a movie with his name on it. I'm like I don't know if it's going to be. Oh it's fucking awful. Fucking awful.

[01:30:10:04 - 01:30:12:08]
Speaker 2
 I didn't like The Fablemans.

[01:30:14:11 - 01:30:19:14]
Speaker 1
 I thought that was a little more interesting, but yeah, it was not a-- I will never watch that movie

[01:30:19:14 - 01:30:20:02]
Speaker 1
 again.

[01:30:20:02 - 01:30:27:06]
Speaker 2
 No. Well, my problem with The Fablemans was I was like, oh, here we go. This is getting good. And then the credits rolled. I'm like, oh, I

[01:30:27:06 - 01:30:34:19]
Speaker 3
 And we got anyone coming out here. So really seeing the Fablemans.

[01:30:36:05 - 01:30:36:20]
Speaker 3
 The Fable.

[01:30:36:20 - 01:30:37:19]
Speaker 2
 Fablemans.

[01:30:37:19 - 01:30:41:03]
Speaker 1
 if I can have a strange divergent here for just a second.

[01:30:42:18 - 01:30:44:15]
Speaker 1
 Deep cut, if you're a Peter Jackson fan,

[01:30:46:00 - 01:30:54:07]
Speaker 1
 there's a Peter Jackson segment where he was on one of the Muppet shows that ties "Meet the Fables" into the world of the Muppets,

[01:30:54:07 - 01:30:57:08]
Speaker 1
 two or three of the Muppets visited the Fables, and

[01:30:57:08 - 01:31:06:06]
Speaker 2
 of course it was Dr. Teeth and like Ralph who were like, you know, I remember when we met the Fables.

[01:31:06:06 - 01:31:08:05]
Speaker 3
 Oh my god.

[01:31:09:13 - 01:31:11:14]
Speaker 3
 Oh I have missed this. Wow.

[01:31:11:14 - 01:31:12:10]
Speaker 2
 What was

[01:31:12:10 - 01:31:15:02]
Speaker 2
 that show? Was that that last Muppet show? Muppets

[01:31:15:02 - 01:31:15:12]
Speaker 2
 Tonight"?

[01:31:15:12 - 01:31:17:23]
Speaker 1
 I think it was. I think it was that one. That was,

[01:31:19:04 - 01:31:51:17]
Speaker 1
 honestly, a really good show, really smartly written, but it was-- It's like everybody that watched the Muppets only has kids. And never revisited. Forgot that the Muppets were also written for adults, very much so. If you go watch the original Muppet show. So that translated, and then they all got upset because they thought it was just-- A whole lot of people got upset because they thought it was just going to be a kid show. It's not just a kid show like Kermit making bacon jokes about his bacon and stuff like that. So it's not just for little kids.

[01:31:52:17 - 01:32:00:20]
Speaker 2
 Well, okay. Why don't we take a little break? I will cough all the coughs I've been holding in

[01:32:00:20 - 01:32:06:21]
Speaker 2
 then when we come back, we are continuing our one movie breakdown and it's my move.

[01:32:06:21 - 01:32:09:04]
Speaker 2
 All right. Be right

[01:32:09:04 - 01:32:14:11]
 (Music)

[01:32:19:12 - 01:32:21:05]
Speaker 7
 5.

[01:32:40:17 - 01:32:44:10]
Speaker 8
 Sauthors 5. Donuts Surprise Vincent! Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

[01:32:44:10 - 01:32:47:08]
Speaker 7
 And what aimed your threatens? Sell the alarm!

[01:32:49:13 - 01:32:53:02]
Speaker 8
 When you have job done, call a robot. Well done Vincent.

[01:32:54:07 - 01:32:58:00]
Speaker 7
 Radio Control Vincent. Assembly required by MeeGo.

[01:32:58:00 - 01:33:04:22]
 (Music)

[01:33:10:21 - 01:33:12:08]
Speaker 2
 We have returned.

[01:33:14:09 - 01:33:32:13]
Speaker 2
 I know that there was a break here when you guys did your solo stuff, but we had decided we were each going to then after the Frozen epic episode, we were each going to pick a movie that we wanted everybody to watch so that we could talk about it. And this was my pick. We are talking today about 1979's The Black Hole. Wow.

[01:33:32:13 - 01:33:40:02]
Speaker 9
 There is an inexorable force in the cosmos where time and space converge.

[01:33:42:07 - 01:33:46:13]
Speaker 9
 A place beyond man's vision, but not his reach.

[01:33:48:06 - 01:33:51:17]
Speaker 9
 It is the most mysterious and awesome point in the universe.

[01:33:56:06 - 01:34:02:06]
Speaker 9
 Whether here and now may be forever. And my ship, you ask?

[01:34:07:04 - 01:34:11:09]
Speaker 9
 It is unavoidable.

[01:34:13:06 - 01:34:22:16]
Speaker 9
 Moving through space, swallowing everything in its path. Radio waves, light. Are you programmed to speak? Even planets and stars.

[01:34:35:17 - 01:34:38:07]
Speaker 10
 Go, go.

[01:34:43:06 - 01:34:45:00]
Speaker 10
 Fire, thrust us.

[01:34:59:06 - 01:35:03:19]
Speaker 9
 That mad man is headed straight for the black hole. What'll we do?

[01:35:05:20 - 01:35:06:05]
Speaker 10
 We wait.

[01:35:19:06 - 01:35:22:00]
Speaker 10
 We have to go! Go, go!

[01:35:48:18 - 01:35:49:00]
Speaker 10
 grunts )

[01:35:51:01 - 01:36:07:18]
Speaker 10
 We got you. We got you. It's all right. It's all right. It's okay.

[01:36:08:22 - 01:36:12:11]
Speaker 10
 No. Gravity's at maximum. My God, I think it's got us.

[01:36:14:19 - 01:36:17:22]
Speaker 9
 I'm gonna break here too! The Black Hole.

[01:36:37:19 - 01:36:42:19]
Speaker 9
 A journey that begins where everything ends.

[01:36:47:14 - 01:36:48:14]
Speaker 3
 Yes sir.

[01:36:49:11 - 01:36:51:07]
Speaker 2
 A Disney film. This was a first time watch for

[01:36:51:07 - 01:36:51:14]
Speaker 2
 for you.

[01:36:51:14 - 01:36:55:08]
Speaker 3
 Yes it was. I'd never seen this. I thought I knew what this movie was. I was wrong.

[01:36:57:23 - 01:37:00:03]
Speaker 2
 And Eric, I know you saw this. Did you see this in theater?

[01:37:00:03 - 01:37:00:22]
Speaker 1
 Yes.

[01:37:00:22 - 01:37:00:21]
Speaker 1
 Yes.

[01:37:00:21 - 01:37:01:10]
Speaker 2
 Yeah,

[01:37:01:10 - 01:37:02:18]
Speaker 1
 I did. Long, long

[01:37:02:18 - 01:37:03:02]
Speaker 1
 go.

[01:37:03:02 - 01:37:35:01]
Speaker 2
 Yes. Oh my God. I'm almost 50 years ago now. Directed by Gary Nelson, who was the director of Freaky Friday. I'm so sorry. And written by Jerry Day, who was a TV writer, lots of kids stuff. And Jeb Rosebook, who was also a TV writer. These guys just did stuff. Mostly wonderful World of Disney episodes and things like this. This is still Disney trying to figure out who they are in the 70s, going into the 80s. It stars Robert Forster, who was an alligator,

[01:37:36:03 - 01:37:41:03]
Speaker 2
 vigilante, Jackie Brown, Mulan drive, and the Wolf of Snow Hollow. One of my favorite movies of

[01:37:41:03 - 01:37:41:14]
Speaker 2
 2020.

[01:37:41:14 - 01:37:42:11]
Speaker 3
 It was so good.

[01:37:45:10 - 01:37:55:18]
Speaker 2
 Maximilian Shell is in this. He was in Judgment at Nuremberg, A Bridge Too Far, The Adesophile, and The Diary of Anne Frank. Anthony Perkins, who was in Psycho 1 through 4.

[01:37:57:05 - 01:38:04:08]
Speaker 2
 Mutiny. Oh, no wait. Murder on the Orient Express. Pretty Poison. And The Edge of Sanity. Have you guys seen Edge of Sanity with Anthony Perkins?

[01:38:05:14 - 01:38:11:10]
Speaker 2
 Kind of a cool late 80s psychotype film where he just goes way over the top.

[01:38:13:10 - 01:38:15:13]
Speaker 2
 Ernest Borgnine is in this. He was in this. But of

[01:38:15:13 - 01:38:30:19]
Speaker 2
 Adventure, The Dirty Dozen, Ice Station Zebra, The Wild Bunch, Willard, and Escape from New York. And Yvette Mimiu, who was in The Time Machine, Where the Boys Are, and Devil Dog, Hound of Hell.

[01:38:31:20 - 01:38:43:01]
Speaker 2
 And then Joseph Bottoms, who was in Cloud Dancer and King of the Mountain. It also has the voices of Rodney McDowell and Slim Pickens. This is a stacked cast. You would expect this movie to be great.

[01:38:43:23 - 01:38:44:13]
Speaker 3
 Yeah.

[01:38:45:06 - 01:38:46:00]
Speaker 3
 Yeah.

[01:38:47:17 - 01:38:59:09]
Speaker 2
 First thing, first, I remember after I started watching this again, texting Vanessa and saying, hey, I forgot all about the fact that this has just an overture for like five minutes with nothing going

[01:38:59:09 - 01:38:59:22]
Speaker 2
 on?

[01:38:59:22 - 01:39:05:17]
Speaker 3
 That was my first question. I was like, is it broken? Why is it black forever?

[01:39:07:05 - 01:39:11:06]
Speaker 2
 I remember Star Trek The Motion Picture did the same thing. But they had like a star

[01:39:11:06 - 01:39:11:19]
Speaker 2
 field.

[01:39:11:19 - 01:39:12:04]
Speaker 3
 Yes.

[01:39:12:04 - 01:39:17:19]
Speaker 2
 And you were like, oh, something is happening. This, I did the same thing. I was like, oh, fuck, did my

[01:39:17:19 - 01:39:18:21]
Speaker 3
 TV finally go

[01:39:18:21 - 01:39:19:04]
Speaker 2
 out?

[01:39:19:04 - 01:39:24:22]
Speaker 3
 It's like, we're in it. We're in it right now. Very weird.

[01:39:25:20 - 01:39:28:13]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, that used to be a thing. Overtures and films.

[01:39:28:13 - 01:39:32:06]
Speaker 3
 Is it like while you're getting pop art? Like what are you supposed to be doing during this

[01:39:32:06 - 01:39:56:05]
Speaker 2
 just to kind of showcase the music. So the overture has a little bit of each piece of music in it. And it was just something happened just like intermissions and shit like that. So this was, it turns out, next to Star Trek The Motion Picture, the last of the films that had overtures at the beginning. I always remember them being there for like musicals, like My Fair Lady

[01:39:56:05 - 01:39:58:16]
Speaker 2
 an Overture and shit like that, the guys and dolls.

[01:40:00:13 - 01:40:13:04]
Speaker 2
 Ted Dastic Jr., who is a friend of ours and listens to the show and all this stuff, he decided to watch this based on knowing we were going to watch it. And he just trashed the movie. And I was like, how dare?

[01:40:15:00 - 01:40:16:13]
Speaker 2
 He hates the music.

[01:40:17:18 - 01:40:29:08]
Speaker 2
 I actually think the music is really good. I think what he really hates is how kind of haphazardly the music is thrown in. Like the music was made, but not necessarily for a particular scene. And so

[01:40:29:08 - 01:40:29:17]
Speaker 2
 there was

[01:40:29:17 - 01:40:35:08]
Speaker 3
 a film adventure, adventure music. It is very tonally interesting.

[01:40:35:08 - 01:40:47:18]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, the score is by John Barry. And I think that opening theme is really cool and almost doom metal. You know, I was like, wow, this is way cooler than I remember.

[01:40:49:12 - 01:40:50:17]
Speaker 2
 So it starts off.

[01:40:52:09 - 01:40:54:11]
Speaker 2
 Already I was like, God damn it, Ted.

[01:40:55:13 - 01:40:56:04]
Speaker 2
 I think you're right.

[01:40:59:06 - 01:41:08:23]
Speaker 2
 547 days into their trip in an unspecified future year, the spacecraft USS Pelomino has nearly completed its mission exploring deep space.

[01:41:10:02 - 01:41:32:05]
Speaker 2
 Okay. So deep space ain't what it used to be, you guys. I did a little research here. They were out there for 18 months and are already returning home. You might be able to reach Mars or Jupiter. I was going to say. Unless they're somehow traveling at light speed, but they are clearly not. So in other words, this black hole that they find is in our

[01:41:32:05 - 01:41:32:17]
Speaker 2
 galaxy.

[01:41:32:17 - 01:41:34:09]
Speaker 3
 It's like just past the moon somewhere.

[01:41:36:02 - 01:41:43:11]
Speaker 2
 it becomes one of these story elements. So you're like, oh, no. Why did they have to tell us how long they had been out in deep space?

[01:41:44:18 - 01:41:53:23]
Speaker 2
 So anyhow, the crew consists of Captain Dan Holland, his first officer, Charlie Pizer, a journalist, Harry Booth,

[01:41:55:07 - 01:42:09:07]
Speaker 2
 an ESP sensitive scientist, Kate McCray, and the expedition's civilian leader, Dr. Alex Durant. Also a diminutive floating robot, Vincent, which stands for vital information necessary,

[01:42:10:11 - 01:42:10:16]
Speaker 2
 centralized.

[01:42:10:16 - 01:42:17:23]
Speaker 3
 awful. I was so awful. I was like, wait, what? No one thought this through.

[01:42:18:22 - 01:42:33:12]
Speaker 2
 So I love the idea though. And I'm sure, you know, 79, this is probably happening in Isaac Asimov's books 20 years earlier, but I love the idea that they have an ESP sensitive scientist who has a psychic link with a robot.

[01:42:33:12 - 01:42:33:13]
Speaker 2
 robot.

[01:42:33:13 - 01:42:41:10]
Speaker 3
 I was so confused. I was like, wait, she's ESP the robot is the robot got a human brain in it. What is this mean?

[01:42:41:10 - 01:42:42:20]
Speaker 2
 this is such a cool

[01:42:42:20 - 01:42:43:12]
Speaker 2
 idea.

[01:42:43:12 - 01:42:52:06]
Speaker 3
 And she doesn't talk to any actual people with her ESP till almost the end of the film. So I was like, is she got like a link only with the robot? Like what is happening?

[01:42:53:18 - 01:42:59:14]
Speaker 2
 Definitely a definitely an idea that was tossed out and they were all like, yes, what do we do with this?

[01:42:59:14 - 01:43:02:13]
Speaker 3
 Let's not think too hard. It's for kids.

[01:43:02:13 - 01:43:03:05]
Speaker 2
 Well, when I get

[01:43:03:05 - 01:43:09:19]
Speaker 2
 into the writing, the rewrite and all this stuff, you're gonna realize this was just haphazard slap together.

[01:43:11:15 - 01:43:12:09]
Speaker 3
 I never would have guessed.

[01:43:12:09 - 01:43:37:11]
Speaker 2
 as it's returning to earth, the Palomino discovers a black hole with the long loss and apparently abandoned USS Cygnus nearby the same ship that McCrae's father was aboard when it vanished 20 years prior. This ship is gigantic. And it makes me then wonder how big is the Palomino and what how had they spent 18 months on the ship that looks like it just has a bridge.

[01:43:39:17 - 01:43:40:17]
Speaker 1
 I also and that.

[01:43:42:08 - 01:43:47:01]
Speaker 1
 It's a weirdly designed ship. It's cool looking, but it looks like it would.

[01:43:48:05 - 01:43:52:15]
Speaker 1
 If any atmosphere came in presence, it would just crush because it's all windows.

[01:43:52:15 - 01:44:00:07]
Speaker 3
 Yeah. Oh, sure. I was less worried about that than the ship they come across because I was like, this is just like a large it's

[01:44:00:07 - 01:44:02:10]
Speaker 1
 No, that's right. It's the design of the main

[01:44:02:10 - 01:44:02:22]
Speaker 1
 ship.

[01:44:02:22 - 01:44:14:08]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, the big ship is so weird. I was like, how does this get into space? Like, how does this do anything? It's built. Come on. I'm very interesting.

[01:44:14:08 - 01:44:15:13]
Speaker 2
 I think

[01:44:15:13 - 01:44:20:14]
Speaker 2
 think the design of it is fucking amazing. It's really cool. Basically a haunted castle in space.

[01:44:20:14 - 01:44:21:20]
Speaker 1
 It is cool

[01:44:21:20 - 01:44:22:07]
Speaker 1
 looking.

[01:44:22:07 - 01:44:30:17]
Speaker 3
 It's just like I just haven't seen much like that sci fi before where it's like, wow, okay, this is a big object.

[01:44:30:17 - 01:44:33:03]
Speaker 1
 Well, you want to see space, you know, windows everywhere.

[01:44:33:03 - 01:44:34:09]
Speaker 1
 crew.

[01:44:34:09 - 01:44:36:04]
Speaker 3
 You know, long mission.

[01:44:36:04 - 01:44:46:19]
Speaker 2
 decided to investigate and they find that there is this mysterious null gravity field surrounding the sickness that is allowing it to sit right on the edge of this black hole without being sucked in.

[01:44:48:01 - 01:45:15:05]
Speaker 2
 They, of course, try to get closer and immediately start getting sucked in and their ship is damaged by the intense gravity. And so they have to emergency dock with the sickness. So when they come across this, it looks like an abandoned ship. But as soon as they make it clear that they're going to land on the ship, suddenly all the lights come on in this place. And you're right. I mean, it's all interior lights. So everything is just a window. But this is the future.

[01:45:15:05 - 01:45:17:03]
Speaker 3
 The future has a window.

[01:45:19:00 - 01:45:20:10]
Speaker 2
 way tougher. Yeah.

[01:45:21:19 - 01:45:33:19]
Speaker 2
 So from here, the story kind of turns into a space 20,000 lakes under the sea because we we encounter Dr. Hans Reinhardt,

[01:45:35:13 - 01:46:08:23]
Speaker 2
 who is one of Earth's most brilliant scientists, according to Durant. And Reinhardt explains that he has been alone on the sickness since an encounter to meteor field and was disabled. He ordered the human crew to return to Earth without him. But McCray, the ESP girl, her father chose to remain on board and has since died. To replace this crew, he has built an army of faceless, robe-wearing robots, but also, for some reason, an army of regular soldier robots.

[01:46:08:23 - 01:46:09:07]
Speaker 3
 Yeah,

[01:46:09:07 - 01:46:09:23]
Speaker 3
 Sure.

[01:46:11:01 - 01:46:17:05]
Speaker 3
 For funsies. So that they can hang out in their robot bar and shoot at the shooting gallery.

[01:46:17:05 - 01:46:19:15]
Speaker 1
 Now that's such a strange thing.

[01:46:19:15 - 01:46:21:05]
Speaker 3
 And like, slag each other off.

[01:46:21:05 - 01:46:21:16]
Speaker 2
 And

[01:46:21:16 - 01:46:35:11]
Speaker 2
 but did you guys watch when I was like, how hard would this have been to do the the jumping ahead? But the star robot who's all in black while all the other robots are maroon.

[01:46:35:11 - 01:46:35:07]
Speaker 2
 room.

[01:46:35:07 - 01:46:46:23]
Speaker 2
 He's like the black Bart of the shooting gallery and he shoots you too. And then instead of spinning his gun on his finger and putting it into a holster, he does this.

[01:46:48:18 - 01:47:11:11]
Speaker 2
 He just spins. And I was like, you could have made him spin his wrist or anything, but you could have just put a finger hole on one gun so he could spin it. It is such a, like this was obviously added at the end of how about we make him spin his gun and they're like, oh, yeah, Bob, could you spin your wrist and make it look cool?

[01:47:13:02 - 01:47:13:02]
Speaker 3
 Yeah.

[01:47:13:17 - 01:47:15:19]
Speaker 3
 Absolutely. Bananas. Absolutely crazy.

[01:47:17:08 - 01:47:39:05]
Speaker 2
 Also on board is this sinister bodyguard robot for no reason, Max Millian, who is this floating maroon, devil looking robot. And it's like, okay, so everybody is left. You build like the creepiest robot in the world to be your sidekick. And why?

[01:47:40:05 - 01:47:42:17]
Speaker 2
 Why did you build drill hands into him?

[01:47:42:17 - 01:47:46:07]
Speaker 3
 Eventually something was going to happen and he knew

[01:47:46:07 - 01:47:50:19]
Speaker 1
 you'll probably get to as a storyline. I'm going, well, that makes it make even less

[01:47:50:19 - 01:47:52:17]
Speaker 2
 exactly. Okay.

[01:47:54:18 - 01:48:14:19]
Speaker 2
 Okay, so the Palomino, they start to become suspicious, the crew of the Palomino of Reinhardt and Booth sees a drone robot limping at one point and they make a big huge deal of that. And I'm like, well, that actually is the only thing that kind of you could write off. We've seen robots, you know, lose a leg or something and they would just,

[01:48:15:19 - 01:48:16:05]
Speaker 2
 yeah.

[01:48:17:09 - 01:48:20:18]
Speaker 2
 But then Holland witnesses the drone funeral.

[01:48:22:08 - 01:48:29:12]
Speaker 2
 So the question starts being, is this, are these robots, androids, zombies?

[01:48:30:15 - 01:48:40:10]
Speaker 3
 I mean, the minute I was like, Oh, they have like a reflective glass face helmet. They're definitely, it probably enslaved people. Well, it

[01:48:40:10 - 01:48:49:06]
Speaker 2
 doesn't help that also, you know, this movie costs a lot, but it still looks kind of cheap sometimes. And so those those drone robots are clearly humans inside

[01:48:49:06 - 01:48:49:14]
Speaker 2
 them.

[01:48:49:14 - 01:48:50:10]
Speaker 3
 Oh, for sure.

[01:48:50:10 - 01:48:52:00]
Speaker 2
 Your mind is never going to be full.

[01:48:52:00 - 01:48:54:11]
Speaker 2
 You're just like, that's a person in costume.

[01:48:56:10 - 01:49:01:23]
Speaker 2
 I like that Vincent meets a battered earlier model of his type of drone named Bob.

[01:49:01:23 - 01:49:02:21]
Speaker 2
 That was pretty funny.

[01:49:02:21 - 01:49:07:18]
Speaker 2
 Bio, bio sanitation battalion.

[01:49:07:18 - 01:49:08:13]
Speaker 2
 Incredible.

[01:49:22:13 - 01:49:19:07]
Speaker 1
 We got to clean these toilets and

[01:49:19:07 - 01:49:19:11]
Speaker 1
 work

[01:49:19:11 - 01:49:21:19]
Speaker 2
 hard so you don't have to.

[01:49:21:19 - 01:49:23:07]
Speaker 3
 Oh, my God.

[01:49:24:23 - 01:49:33:01]
Speaker 2
 Bob explains that the drones are actually what is left of the human crew who mutinied when Reinhardt refused to return to Earth.

[01:49:34:21 - 01:49:36:18]
Speaker 2
 And McCree's father was killed during this.

[01:49:37:18 - 01:49:41:21]
Speaker 2
 The crew was apparently lobotomized and reprogrammed.

[01:49:46:04 - 01:49:54:20]
Speaker 2
 At this point, it seems like, okay, so he's killed everybody or he's somehow captured them and then I don't

[01:49:54:20 - 01:49:56:00]
Speaker 3
 How did he do it?

[01:49:56:00 - 01:49:56:17]
Speaker 2
 It had to been built

[01:49:56:17 - 01:50:13:21]
Speaker 2
 first and maybe he terrorizes the crew into going along with this. But you think that a mutiny of as many humans on that, even versus Maximilian, you're like, hey, listen, some of us are going to die, right? Are all of us going to die? We got to jump this thing and we'll just weigh him

[01:50:13:21 - 01:50:14:18]
Speaker 3
 Maybe he terrorized the

[01:50:16:10 - 01:50:30:23]
Speaker 3
 There's so many of them, but I mean, I guess if he's the doctor, maybe each of them had to do their like annual, you know, physical and each time he just quickly, you know, they're all in a line. Everyone's coming in and not coming out.

[01:50:32:19 - 01:50:34:09]
Speaker 3
 just getting your

[01:50:34:09 - 01:50:41:14]
Speaker 2
 show us how the lobotomy goes. And it's like put on this Jiffy Pop helmet and

[01:50:41:14 - 01:50:45:05]
Speaker 3
 Tinfoil. It'll be great.

[01:50:46:23 - 01:50:51:15]
Speaker 1
 There's a big difference from point A to D there. Points missing.

[01:50:52:02 - 01:50:59:00]
Speaker 3
 I do want to point out we're talking about human lobotomy on mass scale into zombies and it is still a children's movie.

[01:51:00:04 - 01:51:01:17]
Speaker 2
 Well, is it a children's movie?

[01:51:04:11 - 01:51:06:04]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, it was the first PG film.

[01:51:07:23 - 01:51:16:23]
Speaker 2
 I have here in my notes here the the shooting gallery. So the robots go in, we see this guy's the soldiers shooting.

[01:51:18:00 - 01:51:33:17]
Speaker 2
 Not only are the regular soldiers not very good and star is blasting away at everything. Why is Vincent a scientific robot, a better sharpshooter than the star

[01:51:33:17 - 01:51:34:02]
Speaker 2
 robot?

[01:51:34:02 - 01:51:49:09]
Speaker 3
 And the sanitation robot. That's why like they hate the sanitation robot because he outshot them and I was like, they all have guns. They all have guns and they're all good. But the ones that don't look like people are much better.

[01:51:50:15 - 01:51:55:20]
Speaker 3
 So I guess as soon as you give them four limbs that they have to deal with everything gets a little bit shitty.

[01:51:56:17 - 01:51:57:05]
Speaker 1
 It's the

[01:51:57:05 - 01:52:19:19]
Speaker 2
 notice that? So a lot of the shots, there's a lot of camera trickery going on in this. So a lot of the shots of the robot soldiers, the arms are too thin to have people in them. So you're like, OK, that is that is either a mannequin or, you know, a Disney, what do you call it? Robot a chair. Yeah, there you go.

[01:52:21:12 - 01:52:33:18]
Speaker 2
 So I was like, OK, this is interesting. But then there is a couple of times when one of the robots has to do something else. I was like, that's a much bigger arm on that robot. Yeah, that robot has been working out.

[01:52:33:18 - 01:52:38:12]
Speaker 3
 More hydraulics, better shooting.

[01:52:38:12 - 01:52:39:19]
Speaker 2
 So anyway,

[01:52:39:19 - 01:52:45:19]
Speaker 2
 Vincent uses telepathy to tell McCray what he's discovered. And after she

[01:52:45:19 - 01:52:46:17]
Speaker 2
 forms Durant,

[01:52:47:18 - 01:52:53:19]
Speaker 2
 he removes one of the drone's faceplate and reveals the zombie-like face of the crew member.

[01:52:55:07 - 01:53:03:08]
Speaker 2
 Trying to figure out what is left in their head because it seems like a funeral would be something

[01:53:03:08 - 01:53:04:00]
Speaker 2
 would not be.

[01:53:04:00 - 01:53:11:19]
Speaker 3
 They'd be like an emotional space in order to have a funeral. You'd have to still have, they'd have to care about something and it seems like they're drones.

[01:53:12:16 - 01:53:17:03]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, or drones is probably a good word for it too, are they just integrated with whatever?

[01:53:18:04 - 01:53:30:19]
Speaker 2
 At one point, Holland walks, when he finds that drone funeral, he's walking through the personal spaces of the drones and they still have a lot of personal effects

[01:53:30:19 - 01:53:36:08]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, they got like pictures and stuff. I wasn't sure if they were still sleeping in there or if they're just, they're old rooms.

[01:53:36:08 - 01:53:44:13]
Speaker 2
 That's what I was trying to figure out is, okay, why is this scene here? To make me think that they are human or just to show that there were

[01:53:44:13 - 01:53:46:06]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, the tragedy.

[01:53:47:20 - 01:53:49:09]
Speaker 2
 so I

[01:53:49:09 - 01:53:49:14]
Speaker 2
 I don't

[01:53:49:14 - 01:53:50:12]
Speaker 3
 know.

[01:53:51:15 - 01:54:15:15]
Speaker 3
 It feels like such a, I mean, nothing makes sense. But like, why would you take the whole crew and make them into drones? Because then you have to feed them, you have to dress them. You have like all the trimmings around it. You have to allow them to go to the bathroom, I assume, because hence Bob. Like, there's like so much you have to do to maintain your fleet of guys. You're just sitting there outside the black hole. Like, what do you need all these dudes for?

[01:54:16:20 - 01:54:35:02]
Speaker 2
 This really requires a prequel book or something to show us what happened on there and how much, because you're right, we see the garden, which is huge because it has to be. So he has to feed them, which means they're creating

[01:54:35:02 - 01:54:35:14]
Speaker 2
 waves.

[01:54:35:14 - 01:54:35:19]
Speaker 3
 Yes.

[01:54:35:19 - 01:54:37:19]
Speaker 2
 So there is all of

[01:54:37:19 - 01:54:38:04]
Speaker 2
 these.

[01:54:38:04 - 01:54:41:08]
Speaker 3
 At that point, you're like, they're probably showering. They're probably, you know, like. Why

[01:54:41:08 - 01:54:47:13]
Speaker 2
 Why can't my robots who can't fucking hit the broadside of a barn, why don't I have them at the desks instead?

[01:54:47:13 - 01:54:57:08]
Speaker 3
 Yeah. It seems like there's no benefit. Like, they're probably more intelligent than your drone, you're than your like, dicked zombie-ified guys.

[01:54:58:12 - 01:54:58:23]
Speaker 2
 it is a pretty--

[01:54:59:19 - 01:55:01:09]
Speaker 3
 Because they're not a lot of help near the end.

[01:55:01:09 - 01:55:05:12]
Speaker 2
 It is a pretty scary moment when they reveal that face. That is the face of the director.

[01:55:05:12 - 01:55:06:14]
Speaker 1
 Oh.

[01:55:06:14 - 01:55:13:07]
Speaker 2
 I was like, I love these kind of cameos where the director's like, I'm gonna put myself in the movie, and it's the one other human.

[01:55:14:14 - 01:55:16:03]
Speaker 2
 And he's not an attractive man.

[01:55:18:20 - 01:55:21:20]
Speaker 2
 Here's what I love. We've watched Durant, who is the scientist,

[01:55:23:06 - 01:55:44:13]
Speaker 2
 carry around this notebook for the entire movie, and it finally pays off because it blocks the viewer from seeing too much gore when he holds it up and Maximilian zips through it, okay? So the computers in the Palomino can literally project holograms into the air. They're matching ships to try and figure out what the sickness is at first and everything.

[01:55:45:19 - 01:55:52:04]
Speaker 2
 This guy, a brilliant scientist, carries around a pen and a very thick pad of paper.

[01:55:52:04 - 01:55:52:23]
Speaker 3
 Oh, yeah.

[01:55:52:23 - 01:55:55:08]
Speaker 1
 He's always got them.

[01:55:55:08 - 01:55:56:13]
Speaker 3
 That's how the smartest

[01:55:56:19 - 01:55:56:23]
Speaker 1
 guy.

[01:55:56:23 - 01:56:07:10]
Speaker 2
 They make big scenes, like when he's leaving, he will grab this thing, and I was like, oh, you know, this is the first time I've noticed this. They're really trying to justify him holding this up.

[01:56:07:10 - 01:56:08:07]
Speaker 2
 up. Yeah.

[01:56:08:07 - 01:56:14:23]
Speaker 1
 Although I will say, when I was a kid, that scene where he drills into the guy, and he's like, ugh,

[01:56:16:04 - 01:56:17:18]
Speaker 1
 freak me the fuck out, man.

[01:56:17:18 - 01:56:25:06]
Speaker 2
 I don't know about you, but were you surprised that how non-gory it was this time? Because I remember the same

[01:56:25:06 - 01:56:29:01]
Speaker 1
 much more violent in my head. It's like, oh, well,

[01:56:29:01 - 01:56:37:07]
Speaker 3
 The implied violence is rough. Yeah. It's a lot of like, I can see that being really, really tough as a kid to watch.

[01:56:38:06 - 01:56:51:11]
Speaker 2
 Well, I was 10, and I saw this in the theater with just my friends, not a parent or anything like that, but I can't imagine you bringing your, say, seven-year-old to this film. And I'd sit there going, what the fuck was I thinking?

[01:56:52:21 - 01:56:52:21]
 (Laughing)

[01:56:52:21 - 01:56:54:21]
Speaker 2
 Gonna have to have a lot of talks about this

[01:56:54:21 - 01:56:55:07]
Speaker 2
 movie.

[01:56:55:07 - 01:56:56:09]
Speaker 3
 Let's go get ice cream.

[01:56:57:09 - 01:57:00:02]
Speaker 3
 You know, let's, you know what? This movie's boring,

[01:57:00:02 - 01:57:04:01]
Speaker 1
 had a rough time period there in the late 70s, early

[01:57:04:01 - 01:57:04:15]
Speaker 1
 80s.

[01:57:04:15 - 01:57:05:18]
Speaker 2
 No kidding.

[01:57:07:01 - 01:57:25:01]
Speaker 2
 So there is this great scene that happens that is like this missed moment, and I find out later in my research that it's ad libbed. And I'm like, it's so much better than anything else that's going on, because Maximilian grabs the girl, not Maximilian, Reinhardt, grabs the girl, and he says,

[01:57:26:02 - 01:57:45:11]
Speaker 2
 save me, Maximilian is running the ship. And then she calls him on his bluff, and he immediately goes, ah. Well, in the research I find out he ad libs that. Oh. And they left it in, but I'm like, the problem with leaving this ad lib in is it's way better than the story you guys already have.

[01:57:45:11 - 01:57:46:20]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, that's good, let's continue

[01:57:46:20 - 01:57:47:06]
Speaker 1
 with this.

[01:57:47:06 - 01:57:51:00]
Speaker 2
 I would've loved to see what that actually was. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:57:53:06 - 01:58:03:19]
Speaker 2
 Let's see, so Reinhardt orders his robots to lobotomize McCray, the ESP girl. But just as the process begins, she is rescued by Holland, Vincent, and Bob.

[01:58:05:17 - 01:58:12:23]
Speaker 2
 Harry Booth, who is Ernest Borgnine, tries to escape alone in the Palomino, but it looks like he's, okay, so it looks like he's shot

[01:58:12:23 - 01:58:13:08]
Speaker 2
 down.

[01:58:13:08 - 01:58:21:14]
Speaker 3
 It's so weird. He's so, I was confused by this too, because I was like, okay, wait. He got injured. But then it's like, oh, he was faking it.

[01:58:21:14 - 01:58:21:15]
Speaker 2
 He

[01:58:21:15 - 01:58:22:06]
Speaker 2
 faking it.

[01:58:22:06 - 01:58:31:12]
Speaker 3
 He's a coward all of a sudden. But that's, you have to, yeah, he's been a coward this whole time apparently. And he becomes such a piece of shit. There's no indication of that. No. There's no like lead up to it.

[01:58:31:12 - 01:58:42:09]
Speaker 2
 In fact, he's like, listen, we'll take over the ship. We'll grab Reinhardt, and we'll take the ship home. We'll be heroes. So then when he does his cowardly turn,

[01:58:42:09 - 01:58:43:07]
Speaker 2
 turn, I don't know. It's so weird.

[01:58:43:07 - 01:58:45:18]
Speaker 2
 this is also a rewrite.

[01:58:45:18 - 01:59:01:08]
Speaker 3
 Yeah. It's so weird. I was like, wait, was he like this this whole time? I was like, I must have just not been paying attention because he's the cowardly dude who runs off with the ship and leaves all of our heroes stranded by like, you know, leaving a second too early.

[01:59:01:09 - 01:59:06:12]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, he's also, he is a reporter. So he's on the ship as a reporter.

[01:59:07:23 - 01:59:14:03]
Speaker 2
 After 18 months, none of this would've come out earlier, and the crew would be like, hey listen, don't leave him alone with

[01:59:14:03 - 01:59:14:14]
Speaker 2
 the ship."

[01:59:14:14 - 01:59:15:03]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, totally.

[01:59:16:05 - 01:59:23:03]
Speaker 3
 And how does a reporter know how to like operate the ship on that level too? Like... He's grounded on his own. All right.

[01:59:23:03 - 01:59:37:12]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, anyhow, he ends up crashing it into the Cygnus, and then a meteor storm happens, which I fucking love this meteor storm, which looks like a bunch of red blood cells attacking the ship.

[01:59:40:11 - 01:59:41:04]
Speaker 3
 Incredible effect.

[01:59:41:04 - 01:59:56:02]
Speaker 2
 So that stresses out the anti-gravity generator, and it quickly starts to blow apart in the black hole's gravitational forces.

[01:59:58:14 - 02:00:04:15]
Speaker 2
 Reinhardt and the Palomino survivors separately plan their escape in the probe ship used to study the black hole.

[02:00:06:07 - 02:00:12:10]
Speaker 2
 Reinhardt is ordering Maximilian to prepare the ship for launch while the crew of the Palomino is also running to it.

[02:00:12:10 - 02:00:14:18]
Speaker 3
 Everybody wants to get off the big ship.

[02:00:14:18 - 02:00:21:12]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, so then a big huge view screen topples on top of Reinhardt and--

[02:00:21:12 - 02:00:27:06]
Speaker 3
 This is why you gotta mount your flat screen properly. This would be warned to all.

[02:00:27:06 - 02:00:28:23]
Speaker 1
 Gravity gets really intense.

[02:00:29:05 - 02:00:37:05]
Speaker 2
 Traps him, and then he asks Maximilian for help, and all of a sudden this robot is like, fuck you. I heard what you said to that girl.

[02:00:38:13 - 02:00:39:14]
 (Laughing)

[02:00:39:11 - 02:00:47:17]
Speaker 3
 Max Noeun, I was like, is he fully emotionally sentient? Because then he... does he try to escape? Am I right? Like he escapes on

[02:00:47:17 - 02:00:51:16]
Speaker 2
 I don't think he's trying to escape, I think he's trying to kill the rest of the crew.

[02:00:51:16 - 02:00:55:11]
Speaker 3
 Oh, I thought he was like, "Fuck you. I'm gonna get on this probe ship and peace out."

[02:00:55:11 - 02:00:56:11]
Speaker 2
 Oh,

[02:00:56:11 - 02:00:56:17]
Speaker 2
 I don't think so.

[02:00:56:17 - 02:00:57:22]
Speaker 3
 That was the way I read it.

[02:00:58:23 - 02:01:03:04]
Speaker 3
 Because I was like, "That's weird." I guess he was like, "Out of my way. I'm gonna get out of here."

[02:01:06:06 - 02:01:15:01]
Speaker 2
 I do know that he fatally shoots Bob and we get a... Horrible, so sad.

[02:01:16:21 - 02:01:26:14]
Speaker 2
 A death scene of a robot. And the only person to be there for that death scene is the other robot. Vincent. Vincent.

[02:01:28:10 - 02:01:30:22]
Speaker 2
 It's wildly inappropriate for a kids movie.

[02:01:33:00 - 02:01:34:10]
Speaker 2
 Just like everything in it.

[02:01:35:22 - 02:01:54:00]
Speaker 2
 Vincent, of course, ends up avenging him by drilling into Maximilian's armor and disabling his system, and then sending him hurtling into the black hole. Everybody, I mean, the ship's integrity has been breached, and so winds are whipping through and everything. I love how the shot of the garden

[02:01:54:00 - 02:01:54:20]
Speaker 3
 Oh, yeah.

[02:01:54:20 - 02:01:57:09]
Speaker 2
 suddenly turning into ice and then everything ripping

[02:01:57:09 - 02:01:58:09]
Speaker 2
 out of the...

[02:01:58:09 - 02:02:05:03]
Speaker 3
 I have so many questions, science-related, to that scene. But maybe I shouldn't ask them. Stop forgetting

[02:02:05:03 - 02:02:06:05]
Speaker 1
 tough to get an answer out of the two of

[02:02:06:05 - 02:02:06:23]
Speaker 2
 Yeah.

[02:02:06:23 - 02:02:13:04]
Speaker 3
 I mean, people end in space, right? Pure exposure to space, but they're fine. Just... Okay. Just wanna...

[02:02:14:10 - 02:02:20:21]
Speaker 3
 Go on into space, but they're like, "We're all good. We're just gonna trudge through this garden. Just hold on, guys. It's fine."

[02:02:20:21 - 02:02:21:11]
Speaker 2
 Well, since

[02:02:21:11 - 02:02:23:22]
Speaker 2
 1979. We didn't know much about space.

[02:02:23:22 - 02:02:27:15]
Speaker 3
 It's cold and you can't breathe in it? Just curious. Okay.

[02:02:28:15 - 02:02:37:18]
Speaker 2
 Well, the crew makes it to the probe ship, and they're like, get us out of here, and then they realize, oh, it's been pre-programmed to go directly into the black hole anyway. So they're like, well, put it on

[02:02:37:18 - 02:02:39:09]
Speaker 2
 and keep up." Hold on tight. Yeah.

[02:02:41:06 - 02:02:43:18]
Speaker 2
 And then we get to the only reason

[02:02:43:18 - 02:02:45:08]
Speaker 2
 to really watch this movie is...

[02:02:45:08 - 02:02:45:15]
Speaker 3
 Yeah.

[02:02:45:15 - 02:02:46:09]
Speaker 2
 Which is...

[02:02:46:09 - 02:02:50:12]
Speaker 2
 within the black hole, the Cygnus, of course, just completely falls apart.

[02:02:51:19 - 02:03:01:01]
Speaker 2
 A Reinhardt and Maximilian merge above a burning hellish landscape populated by dark-robed specters, which are the Cygnus drones.

[02:03:03:04 - 02:03:04:03]
Speaker 2
 Meanwhile, the probe ship,

[02:03:05:09 - 02:03:08:08]
Speaker 2
 and that hell scene is scary,

[02:03:08:08 - 02:03:26:06]
Speaker 3
 It's weird, because they kind of seem like aliens, too. I mean, they are the... But they also... I don't know. I was like, "Are these aliens?" Oh, and the rope? Yeah. Oh, okay. It's very weird, because I was like, "Is it the dron...?" Because they look like they're the drones, but they also look like they were something totally else.

[02:03:26:06 - 02:03:32:09]
Speaker 2
 Well, it could have been, because this ending was like, you know, well, nobody knows.

[02:03:32:09 - 02:03:33:05]
Speaker 1
 2001

[02:03:33:05 - 02:03:35:20]
Speaker 1
 had that one scene. Let's crank it up to a

[02:03:35:20 - 02:03:36:06]
Speaker 1
 weirdness.

[02:03:36:06 - 02:03:44:00]
Speaker 2
 It does feel a little 2001-ish. The probe ship then gets beckoned by what could only be described as an angel, I suppose.

[02:03:44:00 - 02:03:57:15]
Speaker 3
 To a different galaxy. A different planet somewhere. Hopefully. More than 18 months away.

[02:04:02:22 - 02:04:16:09]
Speaker 3
 So, Heaven... Okay. So, when they go into the black hole, are they basically going into Heaven and Hell, or are they actually going to a Hellish planet and a heavenly planet?

[02:04:16:09 - 02:04:18:01]
Speaker 2
 I don't

[02:04:18:01 - 02:04:23:22]
Speaker 2
 think that they know. Now, right at the beginning, when they first see the black hole,

[02:04:25:14 - 02:04:34:00]
Speaker 2
 I think it's Ernest who says, it looks like something right out of Dante's Inferno. So there's a big, huge

[02:04:34:00 - 02:04:35:21]
Speaker 3
 Because it feels like a painting.

[02:04:36:21 - 02:04:42:12]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, that Hell scene looks directly out of some of those paintings of the time, where you got that. It's very cool.

[02:04:43:12 - 02:04:44:22]
Speaker 2
 It's very cool.

[02:04:46:10 - 02:04:51:21]
Speaker 2
 And we get that shot of Max Millian floating there, like the devil, and then we see Reinhardt's eyes

[02:04:51:21 - 02:04:52:19]
Speaker 3
 Fucking face.

[02:04:52:19 - 02:04:53:06]
Speaker 2
 So,

[02:04:53:06 - 02:04:53:17]
Speaker 2
 they've come over.

[02:04:53:17 - 02:05:00:21]
Speaker 3
 Horrific! Horrific! He fucking merged into his own horrific robot. And he doesn't look happy about it. No.

[02:05:02:08 - 02:05:10:12]
Speaker 3
 They both look pretty... And he's standing on top. I mean, how did he get floating in space with a different guy to suddenly... I mean, it seems like he just went straight up into Hell,

[02:05:11:12 - 02:05:14:19]
Speaker 3
 because how are all the other guys there? Yeah.

[02:05:16:04 - 02:05:26:00]
Speaker 2
 Yeah. Yeah, well, that's just it. We don't know, you know, we really don't know what a black hole is going to do. So maybe it's the entrance to heaven and hell.

[02:05:27:09 - 02:05:35:09]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, so then our ship just goes shooting towards a planet that starts having a sunrise, and we're all like, well,

[02:05:35:09 - 02:05:57:03]
Speaker 3
 Here we are. I hope it's good. I was shocked. I have to admit, when they were like, "Oh, well, we're going in," I was like, "Wait, what?" I mean, I figured somebody was going in the hole. I didn't think our main crew was going in. And then they start stretching, and then their ideas and thoughts are bouncing around in there. And I was like, "We are in some psychedelic shit now."

[02:05:57:03 - 02:06:23:12]
Speaker 2
 I have some notes here, and I'll get to it on the novelization. Alan Dean Foster, who wrote the novelization for this in Star Wars, and 1,000 other movies. He was given the script with no ending and an idea. And they said, well, this is what we think's going to happen. Have at it. And so his is even more nightmarish

[02:06:24:17 - 02:06:32:21]
Speaker 2
 because the crew of the Palomino then, they all merge into one entity with the same mind.

[02:06:34:07 - 02:06:43:02]
Speaker 2
 And they are now on the other side of the black hole as this pure thought entity. And what will happen next? And it's just like,

[02:06:43:02 - 02:06:45:02]
Speaker 2
 "Ugh, this is fucking terrifying."

[02:06:46:11 - 02:06:50:13]
Speaker 3
 It's not what you want for your heroes to end up.

[02:06:50:13 - 02:06:55:04]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, well, yes or no? Did you like it?

[02:06:55:04 - 02:08:21:17]
Speaker 3
 I think tonally it was really tough, because I like a lot of the ideas behind it. I loved the scale of the weird ship, and even though the characters felt a little hokey and strange and ill-thought slash ill-written, the actual set design, the actual beats were working really well, and the ending was fucking bonkers. But the fact that you keep going into this children's adventure movie music was tough, because you're like, "Dun-da-da-dun-da-da." And when they're going around trying to escape the robots, I mean, there's moments where it feels like purely... You can see the Star Wars maybe taking from them. I don't know. But you see the like, "Okay, we're going around, guys. This is an adventure. We're out in space, and it's just a fun Buck Rogers crew." And then all of a sudden you're like, "But there are people. There are people who have been enslaved and lobotomized." And now she's in a silver popcorn thing about to get fucked, and now we're in hell. The tone is just so... I can't say that I think it's a good movie, because I don't think it is, but I do think... I'm glad that I watched it. And like I said, I thought it was a 1980s, like there's a kid in a spaceship going into a black hole. I did not know that it was this. So from the get-go, I was like, "What? Oh, what?"

[02:08:23:04 - 02:08:24:00]
Speaker 2
 What about you?

[02:08:24:00 - 02:08:34:17]
Speaker 1
 I still enjoy it. I think it's fun. It's got the ridiculous little moments, the big ridiculous moments and the ridiculous little moments. Like, let's get them in a crossfire. It's like, that's not actually what a crossfire is, guys.

[02:08:35:22 - 02:08:37:21]
Speaker 1
 You just put yourself in the middle of them.

[02:08:39:08 - 02:08:40:04]
Speaker 1
 Little things like

[02:08:40:04 - 02:08:40:09]
Speaker 1
 that.

[02:08:40:09 - 02:08:43:09]
Speaker 2
 Actually means we're in the crossfire. I should have thought this out better.

[02:08:43:09 - 02:08:52:14]
Speaker 1
 Exactly. But yeah, the music, especially in that end segment when they're the hero music, I was like, this is weird.

[02:08:52:14 - 02:08:53:04]
Speaker 2
 Yeah.

[02:08:54:21 - 02:08:55:11]
Speaker 1
 very--

[02:08:55:11 - 02:08:59:02]
Speaker 3
 well, it's very Disney-esque. I feel like they had to make a choice.

[02:08:59:02 - 02:09:00:00]
Speaker 1
 They didn't.

[02:09:00:00 - 02:09:06:21]
Speaker 1
 They went for the more jovial action adventure as opposed to the dark sci-fi adventure.

[02:09:06:23 - 02:09:07:21]
Speaker 3
 They did both.

[02:09:08:22 - 02:09:09:08]
Speaker 3
 They just

[02:09:09:08 - 02:09:25:22]
Speaker 2
 If you look at Disney during this time, there's a lot of PG family films. This was supposed to be a family film, not a kids film. A film that your geeky family would all enjoy. You're like, Star Wars, well, you're gonna love this.

[02:09:28:19 - 02:09:39:12]
Speaker 2
 Okay, I got some notes here. This was not a response to Star Wars, at least not at first. This started out as a disaster film in space. The writing began in 1974.

[02:09:40:14 - 02:09:43:03]
Speaker 2
 It was titled back then Space Station One.

[02:09:44:04 - 02:09:54:20]
Speaker 2
 And it was about a space research station on the edge of a black hole, which is pretty cool idea. But after bringing in several writers, they just couldn't nail the story down and it was shelved until the end of 75.

[02:09:56:02 - 02:10:06:22]
Speaker 2
 That's when they brought in the director of Escape to Witch Mountain. And he and his writers attempted to bring it back to life. But by then, the disaster genre was pretty much burned out. Nobody was caring about it.

[02:10:08:14 - 02:10:34:14]
Speaker 2
 In February of 77, Jeb Rosebrook was included to restructure the story in which the script was then changed to focus on a small core group of astronauts. They really wanted to focus on the black hole now, which was a phenomenon that had been a growing discussion within the scientific community. So this was the best part. I read that Disney actually brought in astrophysicists and even Carl Sagan as a consultant. That's so good. But if that's true, they clearly threw out all of

[02:10:34:14 - 02:10:34:23]
Speaker 2
 of the notes.

[02:10:34:23 - 02:10:38:12]
Speaker 3
 Oh yeah. They're like, "Oh, interesting idea, guys."

[02:10:39:20 - 02:10:53:23]
Speaker 2
 And then of course, Star Wars hits in summer of 77. And it is such a phenomenon that Disney decides the story needs robots, robot soldiers and laser guns. And so here we are with the very first PG rated Disney film.

[02:10:53:23 - 02:10:56:17]
Speaker 3
 Little did they know one day they would own it.

[02:10:57:22 - 02:11:03:12]
Speaker 3
 They owned all of Star Wars. They didn't have to catch up. I just know you could take on Darth Vader. You just had to buy it.

[02:11:03:12 - 02:11:05:19]
Speaker 2
 You know, the special effects

[02:11:05:19 - 02:11:10:03]
Speaker 2
 in this film are sometimes gorgeous and sometimes really

[02:11:10:03 - 02:11:10:14]
Speaker 2
 bland.

[02:11:10:14 - 02:11:18:00]
Speaker 3
 Really shoddy. Yeah. Like someone's like, "Hey, you got a lava lamp back there? Let's just shoot through it." This is some heated up partially.

[02:11:18:11 - 02:11:22:03]
Speaker 1
 Like some of the shots, I'm like, when they remastered it-- because it looks

[02:11:22:03 - 02:11:23:12]
Speaker 1
 good. It does look good. I

[02:11:23:12 - 02:11:33:03]
Speaker 1
 they could-- like the green screen, they could have cleared up the glaring green screen outlines that were real prevalent in some of the later scenes.

[02:11:33:03 - 02:11:36:15]
Speaker 2
 Well, so they had wanted to rent equipment from ILM,

[02:11:37:17 - 02:11:48:16]
Speaker 2
 but they weren't able to secure it. So they ended up creating their own computer camera controlling equipment. So this is all proprietary stuff that they were just making and trying out on this film.

[02:11:50:22 - 02:11:57:22]
Speaker 2
 As usual, there's a number of tie-ins to the movie. Some action figures that Mego had jumped at after turning down the Star Wars franchise.

[02:11:57:22 - 02:12:00:10]
Speaker 1
 Sure. Yeah, we'll take it. What do you got?

[02:12:00:10 - 02:12:16:22]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, and of course, if you're a toy fan like I am, really only the robots are worth searching out. They actually look like the robots in the film. The action figures of the people are like, "If I were to come across this in a bin, I'd be like, who is this supposed to be?"

[02:12:16:22 - 02:12:21:07]
Speaker 3
 Did they make a robot of Maximilian, like an action figure?

[02:12:21:07 - 02:12:28:09]
Speaker 2
 And Reaction has put out new versions of them that are really, really solid, but also 30 bucks a piece.

[02:12:31:13 - 02:12:34:18]
Speaker 2
 So let's say I talked about the Ellen Dean Foster stuff.

[02:12:37:18 - 02:12:43:03]
Speaker 2
 I remember reading that book. So I was 11 when, no, I was 10 or 11 when this came out.

[02:12:44:11 - 02:13:01:00]
Speaker 2
 I remember reading the book and reading that ending and going, "What happened? I don't understand what happened." And the reason I read the book was because I didn't understand what happened in the movie either. So I was like, this is not what I thought happened and all

[02:13:01:00 - 02:13:22:08]
Speaker 2
 that. They also had a few issues of a comic book, which dropped all the endings and just had the crew show up on the other side of a different galaxy and have almost like a... What's the Star Trek mirror image? Oh, mirror universe. So they would just run into alternate versions of Reinhardt and shit like that. It only lasted like five issues. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
 I've got a great review here. Gene Sisko found the film to be dull and claimed, "It takes much too long to get its less than grand finale." Oh, Dean.

[02:13:37:10 - 02:13:43:09]
Speaker 2
 While he praised the film's special effects, he was critical of the film's cast claiming they were dead stars in their own right.

[02:13:44:15 - 02:13:55:04]
Speaker 2
 If actors get paid to express emotions, then the cast in the black hole doesn't even deserve minimum wage. That sounds like a Rex Reed quote, but way to go, Gene.

[02:13:56:09 - 02:14:00:14]
Speaker 2
 So here's what was going on with Disney at the time. I thought this was super interesting.

[02:14:01:20 - 02:14:14:21]
Speaker 2
 Former football player Ron Miller took over as president of Walt Disney Productions. Miller was Disney's son-in-law, had worked at Disney since the fifties, serving as a producer on such movies as Son of Flubber and That Darn Cat.

[02:14:16:15 - 02:14:24:23]
Speaker 2
 And as described in James B. Stewart's exhaustive book, Disney War, Miller repeatedly clashed with other executives over the company's future.

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Speaker 2
 Not least, Esman Cardone Walker, who was Disney CEO at the time. Miller had long wanted to make more adult movies at Disney. Walker hated the idea, arguing that it would tarnish the company's public image. Nevertheless, the release of Star Wars appeared to serve as a tipping point behind the scenes because by 79, Miller was talking openly about a creative shakeup.

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Speaker 2
 Ron Miller then continued pursuing darker projects as Disney, as the eighties went on. So he did The Watcher in the Woods, which is gothic horror, American Family Moving to a British Manner House, which plays host to an evil presence. This is something I don't understand. The Black Hole, readily available on Disney. Watcher in the Woods, not, arguably a much better movie than this. The Black Cauldron, not available on Disney Plus for some reason.

[02:15:16:17 - 02:15:25:23]
Speaker 2
 He was also responsible for Tron, Dragon Slayer, The Devil and Max Devlin, Never Cry Wolf, which is just a beautiful, beautiful movie, Condor Man,

[02:15:26:23 - 02:15:41:09]
Speaker 2
 but by 1984, Miller was ousted and replaced with Michael Eisner and Jeffrey Katzenberg, who were somehow convinced, somehow, even though they had just got him out to release the last two very dark Disney films, which were The Black Cauldron and Return to Oz,

[02:15:42:10 - 02:15:45:21]
Speaker 2
 which are two very stark and intense films, supposedly for children.

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Speaker 2
 I had an interesting time watching this time around,

[02:15:52:05 - 02:16:08:22]
Speaker 2
 and it was because of Ted Dastak's post, where he just fucking hated everything about it. And I was like, you know, am I just looking at this through nostalgia? And of course I was. This was a great time in my life and where I lived and all of that stuff.

[02:16:10:12 - 02:16:18:03]
Speaker 2
 But I see all the stuff he hates about it. I will also say this, I hope you're listening, Ted. I disagree with Ted's opinion on every film.

[02:16:19:13 - 02:16:23:00]
Speaker 2
 He is a Star Wars fan who only likes the worst Star Wars movies.

[02:16:24:18 - 02:16:24:19]
 (Laughs)

[02:16:24:19 - 02:16:31:01]
Speaker 2
 So I'm just like, well, I gotta also take into consideration this just isn't everybody's cup of

[02:16:31:01 - 02:16:31:07]
Speaker 2
 tea.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah, definitely. I think as somebody who loved, I mean, I grew up reading Heinlein. I just fucking love sci-fi. But it's really got so many interesting elements to it that even though I have zero nostalgia for it, I still can see, like, I can totally see why you would love this movie. Like, there's a lot to love about it even now, even with all the fucking weirdness.

[02:16:54:23 - 02:16:56:13]
Speaker 2
 But yeah.

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Speaker 2
 Yeah, I mean, I didn't have the action figures back then, but I was getting into building models and everything, and I had Vincent and Maximilian, which I was really bummed because they were not in scale to each other.

[02:17:06:21 - 02:17:09:12]
Speaker 3
 They're just equal. Yeah.

[02:17:10:12 - 02:17:26:00]
Speaker 2
 much. I'm like, this sucks. I always wanted to get the model of the Cygnus, which I guess they did release, and it's very expensive. Huge model. And then, you know, as an adult, I'm like, I'd love to do something like that again, and then do what with it? Put it where?

[02:17:26:23 - 02:17:31:22]
Speaker 3
 Hanging from the ceiling with that's what you need to start doing. Make real estate of this stuff.

[02:17:32:22 - 02:17:42:00]
Speaker 3
 Get a millennium. Yeah. I was going to say, you just need, you know, I bet it'd be just fine.

[02:17:43:09 - 02:17:45:02]
Speaker 3
 I do have a question for you, though.

[02:17:46:02 - 02:17:50:01]
Speaker 3
 So how did Event Horizon just steal this entire movie?

[02:17:51:02 - 02:17:53:09]
Speaker 2
 It's got an interesting kind of correlation,

[02:17:53:09 - 02:17:57:18]
Speaker 3
 It feels really similar in many ways. I don't

[02:17:57:18 - 02:17:59:09]
Speaker 2
 think the idea, I mean,

[02:18:00:18 - 02:18:11:00]
Speaker 2
 the idea I don't think goes for Event Horizon or this film doesn't start with this film. The idea of a shipwrecked ghost ship is not a

[02:18:11:00 - 02:18:16:22]
Speaker 3
 No, but it's run by a madman who is like pulling everyone into hell. Right.

[02:18:16:22 - 02:18:38:13]
Speaker 2
 but this is, you know, this is a little bit of a riff on 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, even. And just, I think the idea of coming across a haunted ship, you know, and taking it out of the water, putting it in space. I always wanted to do a voyage of the Demeter-type movie in space, you know, as the spaceship is coming towards Earth or something like

[02:18:38:13 - 02:18:38:20]
Speaker 2
 that.

[02:18:38:20 - 02:18:41:13]
Speaker 1
 It's kind of like the modern argument going on right now with sinners,

[02:18:42:14 - 02:18:46:21]
Speaker 1
 where people are just, "It's just from Dust Till Dawn." It's like, well, it's got several beats of From Dust Till

[02:18:46:21 - 02:18:47:07]
Speaker 1
 dawn.

[02:18:47:07 - 02:18:47:13]
Speaker 2
 Yeah.

[02:18:47:13 - 02:18:50:11]
Speaker 1
 but the story is completely different.

[02:18:51:19 - 02:18:56:19]
Speaker 1
 And I find that the weirdest reason to dislike a movie is kind of like, well,

[02:18:58:21 - 02:19:01:02]
Speaker 1
 what's the name of the Blue People movie?

[02:19:01:02 - 02:19:03:00]
Speaker 3
 Avatar. Avatar.

[02:19:03:00 - 02:19:25:21]
Speaker 1
 when it came out, everybody's, "Oh, it's just Dances with Wolves in Space." Yeah, Dances with Wolves has been done dozens of times beforehand. Movies that changed tone have been done dozens of times before from Dust Till Dawn. So I always find that a strange, I think it's a cool way, it's fun to break down a movie like that, but to then say, "Well, this movie isn't any good." Because

[02:19:25:21 - 02:19:32:10]
Speaker 1
 it's so-- I didn't think you were doing that. I'm just saying that it's kind of like this other movie that I already know.

[02:19:32:10 - 02:19:43:05]
Speaker 3
 It's just sort of surprising. I could feel like maybe this was a source material. And I don't know if maybe I'm completely wrong with that. Or could be.

[02:19:44:00 - 02:19:46:06]
Speaker 1
 could, you know, age range. I think he's probably

[02:19:46:06 - 02:19:56:09]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, good point. The writer of that was like, well, nobody liked this Black Hole movie. Nobody remembers that. There's no such thing as streaming. Yeah,

[02:19:56:09 - 02:20:05:08]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's a cool idea. Why don't we just-- what if it was this and this and this inside? You know, like-- Lean into the ending.

[02:20:06:05 - 02:20:08:22]
Speaker 1
 made it more of the story. Here's a weird question.

[02:20:09:23 - 02:20:16:23]
Speaker 1
 Did they change the robot's name when they hired the actor to play Dr. Reinhardt? Because his name is Max Millian.

[02:20:16:23 - 02:20:31:09]
Speaker 2
 This comes up in IMDB and everything. And I think it's kind of, the truth is probably lost to history because it either is, they renamed the robot because of Max Milligan's show

[02:20:33:00 - 02:20:36:01]
Speaker 2
 or that it's a complete coincidence.

[02:20:37:17 - 02:20:39:04]
Speaker 2
 I would say that it's probably,

[02:20:40:09 - 02:20:47:08]
Speaker 2
 there had to have been a conversation, right? Because somebody would be going, you know, it is kind of weird that the two people.

[02:20:47:08 - 02:20:48:20]
Speaker 1
 and Bob. I mean, this isn't even,

[02:20:48:20 - 02:20:49:02]
Speaker 1
 film.

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Speaker 2
 Also it's confusing if you're gonna talk about the film and you're like Max Milligan.

[02:20:52:13 - 02:20:53:08]
Speaker 1
 Yeah.

[02:20:55:04 - 02:20:55:09]
Speaker 2
 So,

[02:20:56:14 - 02:20:57:05]
Speaker 3
 Hmm.

[02:20:58:10 - 02:20:59:12]
Speaker 3
 I have-- everything I-- Which

[02:20:59:12 - 02:21:00:03]
Speaker 2
 is ironic

[02:21:00:03 - 02:21:03:23]
Speaker 2
 because at the end, Max Milligan becomes a Max Milligan

[02:21:03:23 - 02:21:11:12]
Speaker 3
 Oh my god. It's all coming together. Never mind this movie's brand. They knew exactly what they're fucking doing there, huh?

[02:21:12:12 - 02:21:21:01]
Speaker 3
 Oh man. Everything else I've asked is-- I have it written down here is stuff we've already discussed, but holy-- holy hell.

[02:21:21:23 - 02:21:37:01]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, this was a lot of fun. I appreciate you guys watching this one with me. There were so many that I wanted to maybe think about, but I was like, I would love to, have you ever seen The Warriors? Yes. Okay, I would love to do a deep dive on The

[02:21:37:01 - 02:21:37:11]
Speaker 2
 Warriors.

[02:21:37:11 - 02:21:38:18]
Speaker 3
 Yeah. That'd be super fun.

[02:21:40:12 - 02:21:41:17]
Speaker 3
 I have not seen.

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Speaker 2
 Eric, I feel like combined, we've seen The Warriors over a hundred times, right?

[02:21:48:21 - 02:21:52:00]
Speaker 3
 I've seen it once, so, you know, maybe I'll bring a fresh--

[02:21:52:03 - 02:21:58:17]
Speaker 2
 So I was like, yeah, I wanna also bring something to the table that maybe Eric hasn't seen 50 times.

[02:21:58:17 - 02:22:06:12]
Speaker 3
 No, it was a really, really solid choice. And it's nice that we all had access to it, assuming you also have Disney as a-- yeah.

[02:22:08:06 - 02:22:13:19]
Speaker 2
 Well then, Eric, you've got the next choice, and we're keeping going with this, so what are we watching?

[02:22:14:18 - 02:22:16:13]
Speaker 1
 A totally different style.

[02:22:16:13 - 02:22:25:03]
Speaker 3
 Go on. Go on. Because so far, they've been-- I mean, I guess the only things they share is they're both on Disney. So this better be on Disney. That's right.

[02:22:25:03 - 02:22:25:21]
Speaker 1
 Not on Disney,

[02:22:25:21 - 02:22:26:09]
Speaker 1
 sorry.

[02:22:28:06 - 02:22:29:14]
Speaker 1
 Orion Pictures.

[02:22:31:02 - 02:22:32:03]
Speaker 1
 When it originally came out.

[02:22:33:08 - 02:22:36:10]
Speaker 1
 One of those Keystone films for me is Amadeus.

[02:22:36:10 - 02:22:38:06]
Speaker 2
 Oh, I know this about you, yeah.

[02:22:38:06 - 02:22:38:19]
Speaker 1
 Which we've talked

[02:22:38:19 - 02:22:51:09]
Speaker 1
 before a little bit when we did our five movies that made us or whatever that was. But I know you had a weird experience watching it the first time and I'm very curious and different and just curious what you know, think about

[02:22:51:09 - 02:22:51:17]
Speaker 1
 it.

[02:22:51:17 - 02:22:53:11]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, this'll be a first time watch for me.

[02:22:53:11 - 02:22:54:14]
Speaker 3
 First time?

[02:22:54:14 - 02:22:59:14]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, there's, I'll talk a lot more in depth on this and there were those theatrical available,

[02:23:00:15 - 02:23:14:10]
Speaker 1
 which just became available last year. Yeah. And for about 10 to 20 years, the director's cut was the only one available. Yeah. So this is the first time I've watched the theatrical cut in a long, long

[02:23:14:10 - 02:23:14:23]
Speaker 1
 time.

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Speaker 3
 Cool, okay.

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Speaker 2
 And what do you, is there a preference of which version to watch?

[02:23:20:16 - 02:23:26:09]
Speaker 1
 Theatrical. Yeah. Right. I'll talk about it, but I have some real problems with the director's cut.

[02:23:26:09 - 02:23:26:15]
Speaker 1
 Cut.

[02:23:26:15 - 02:23:30:15]
Speaker 3
 Okay. Seems like the director has a lot of problems with the director's cut from what I

[02:23:30:15 - 02:23:31:16]
Speaker 1
 interesting as you dive

[02:23:31:16 - 02:23:32:00]
Speaker 1
 in.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah, although it'll be fun to talk

[02:23:33:22 - 02:23:34:20]
Speaker 2
 cat himself.

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Speaker 2
 Okay, well, okay, we're talking Amadeus next week.

[02:23:39:10 - 02:23:40:22]
Speaker 1
 Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
 And we have fan

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Speaker 2
 Oh, yeah.

[02:23:44:06 - 02:23:44:23]
Speaker 1
 Fanmail.

[02:23:44:23 - 02:23:49:23]
Speaker 1
 It's very, very nice. It's not signed. So I don't know who this is from. It's from 5159,

[02:23:51:02 - 02:23:55:11]
Speaker 1
 which is so close to having an awesome number from Athens, Ohio.

[02:23:56:14 - 02:24:02:04]
Speaker 1
 I wanted to drop you a line and let you know that I'm really digging your show. I'm on episode 16.

[02:24:02:04 - 02:24:04:18]
Speaker 3
 Whoa, uh-oh. I don't know. It's gonna shift.

[02:24:05:21 - 02:24:05:21]
 (Laughing)

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Speaker 3
 There's a lot of changes coming.

[02:24:06:21 - 02:24:23:18]
Speaker 1
 There's a lot. I'm not on iTunes or any social media, so I thought I'd reach out to you this way. Hopefully it works. I can't wait for all the great recommendations I'm going to discover as I work my way through the episodes, and you will be hearing this about two years from now.

[02:24:23:11 - 02:24:25:19]
Speaker 2
 Boy, he hasn't even gotten into COVID yet.

[02:24:25:19 - 02:24:27:21]
Speaker 1
 We've got a long time

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Speaker 3
 There's a lot gonna be happening. Whoa. So thank you. Yeah.

[02:24:31:23 - 02:24:32:10]
Speaker 1
 finally

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Speaker 2
 That's cool.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah, one day when you hear us talking directly to you, 51, 59, he'll definitely remember that he sent this note at all.

[02:24:44:11 - 02:24:52:20]
Speaker 1
 And you know how he sent us. Most of your podcast runs through Buzzsprout, and part of what they send is a little thing in there that says--

[02:24:54:02 - 02:24:57:10]
Speaker 1
 I don't think we've talked about it before, but you can click on that and send a

[02:24:57:10 - 02:24:57:19]
Speaker 1
 message.

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Speaker 2
 Message the creators or whatever? To us. Well, that's cool.

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Speaker 3
 That's so neat.

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 (Coughing)

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Speaker 3
 Well, this is great.

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Speaker 2
 Or-- Time to then say thanks to everybody who reaches

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Speaker 2
 out.

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Speaker 3
 Yes.

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Speaker 2
 comments either this way or on the YouTube channel or on the Strange Yans Radio Talk page

[02:25:18:17 - 02:25:22:03]
Speaker 2
 or is out there sharing the posts. That's a big deal for us. Yes.

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Speaker 2
 Especially big thanks to anyone who's out there throwing a little coin this way. This is obviously a pirate ship and it needs money to put some wind in the sails. And you guys doing that allowed us to do this. Look at how clean my table

[02:25:42:06 - 02:25:42:11]
Speaker 2
 looks.

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Speaker 3
 You can see my face for the first time ever, possibly.

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Speaker 2
 It's amazing. I really appreciate everyone who's doing stuff like that. Hey Vanessa, where else can they reach out

[02:25:54:20 - 02:25:55:06]
Speaker 2
 to us?

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Speaker 3
 Wow, Kelly. Should they sew shoes and have a mobile or landline device? They can dial 253-237-4266, leave us a voicemail, you can text us there, but that's a great way to get a hold of us and tell us what you think of the show, give us recommendations, give us your thoughts. What'd you eat for dinner? We'd love to hear from you. We love talking to our listeners.

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Speaker 2
 If you call and leave us a message about what you ate for dinner, I guarantee it's gonna show up on an

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Speaker 2
 episode.

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Speaker 3
 Oh, for sure. 100%. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3
 You too can star on Strange Hands Radio.

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Speaker 2
 takes so little.

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 (Laughing)

[02:26:36:10 - 02:26:43:08]
Speaker 2
 All right gang, how about we get out of here and we come back in two short weeks and we are talking about the film Amadeus.

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Speaker 2
 See you next time.

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Speaker 2
 Or whatever I used

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Speaker 2
 to say.

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Speaker 3
 Thursday.

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Speaker 2
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