344 AMADEUS!

344 AMADEUS!

Netflix is killing it in theaters and the gang talks Stranger Things before digging into Amadeus.

Also discussed: Dust Bunny, Greenland 2: Migration, Bone Lake.

Transcript

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Speaker 6
 As

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Speaker 6
 We have such sights to show you.

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Speaker 6
 Strange eons.

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Speaker 2
 stranger on video. That is over there. That is in us over there. Hello. And I'm Kelly. A little peek behind the curtain to get to see how the fudge is packed there.

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Speaker 2
 We're recording this on the same day as... What could you ask?

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Speaker 3
 That's a horrible phrase. I don't want to see how the fudge is packed, sir.

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Speaker 1
 It was. That's how I always heard it. It was actually a store in St. Malls with the fudge packers. No. I'm not kidding. Guess what they sold? They sold fudge. No.

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Speaker 1
 No.

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Speaker 3
 I haven't even heard this phrase before. Well, aside from the obvious...

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Speaker 2
 The disco balls came down, turned into a disco dance.

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Speaker 3
 Fuck, man. Yeah, I've heard how the sausage is made, but I've never heard how the fudge is packed.

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Speaker 2
 Gee, what is wrong with you?

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Speaker 3
 Well, exactly.

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Speaker 3
 This is any better. It's a one-to-one. But now I have to think about fudge being packed in various formats. I'm not... I'm going to drink this soda. You continue.

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Speaker 3
 No. No. Oh, my God. No.

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Speaker 2
 We're recording this the same day we recorded last week's episode. So you still might be hearing me coughing a little bit. I'm not dying. This is not a four-week goal.

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Speaker 1
 Although, this point is

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Speaker 2
 several-week goal. It has been a two-week goal, and it has been the worst. You guys, meanwhile, on the Upside Down,

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Speaker 2
 Netflix released the Stranger Things series finale in 600-plus theaters over New Year's and even New Year's Day, generating north of $25 million in concession revenue. Yes. Because they could not charge for this.

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Speaker 2
 So they had to charge a concession price. So you get in and get this concession voucher and everything. I just want you to know that that weekend, that was more than Avatar Fire and Ash Earn than actual ticket sales. They're all the same shit.

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Speaker 3
 Apparently, it was super popular. I wasn't aware of this. I will say, to the Duffer Brothers' credit, okay, it's shitty that they did this because that meant they circumvented having to do contracts with all their actors, which is why they did it this way. But none of the money went to Netflix. All the money went to movie theaters.

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Speaker 4
 That's right.

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Speaker 3
 That's cool. Because it was all concessions. It was a fee for concessions to enter. So it's actually a huge boon just for movie theaters.

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Speaker 2
 600.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah.

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Speaker 2
 AMC alone pulled in $15 million from 753,000 attendees across 231 theaters. Wow. This Netflix pocket is nothing.

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Speaker 2
 I

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Speaker 1
 think it

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Speaker 3
 was my soda can.

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Speaker 3
 I also was like, wait, that sounds like a baby monitor.

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Speaker 2
 This Netflix pocket is nothing. A sweet olive branch as the streamer finalizes its Warner Brothers acquisition.

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Speaker 4
 Ooh.

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Speaker 2
 That has been the thing that they've

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Speaker 3
 been nervous about is whether or not they'll put stuff in theaters.

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Speaker 1
 The CEO has no real interest in it. He has stated it such a thing. Don't see the point.

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Speaker 1
 At theaters? See how the CEO of Netflix doesn't. I mean, he may have altered that a little bit.

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Speaker 2
 He's altering that because of the Warner Brothers thing because that has been the thing saying, listen, we're not going to let you have it if you're going to kill Netflix. Yeah.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah. Yeah. Which is interesting because have you guys watched the studio?

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Speaker 3
 That's like the season finale is like essentially the is essentially that. And I was almost like, wait, this feels way too relevant because. Yeah. But maybe it's just by luck that happened to be the same exact topic as what's happening with that.

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Speaker 1
 It's been going on for a long time. Yeah. It's not quite as targeted as

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Speaker 3
 it's right now. Yeah. Interesting.

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Speaker 2
 I have a question about Beth Rogan. Smart enough to recognize the irony of having an episode about that on a streamer show.

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Speaker 3
 Oh, I'm sure. I am sure. Yeah. I mean, everything about it's pretty like knowing of what's up. Yeah. Yeah. And it's directly, it's funny because it's a Disney show, but the final episode is about Amazon buying out continental pictures, which is the company he's working for. And I was like, this is a real dig at Amazon from like an Apple, like shoot, like damn son.

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Speaker 4
 Yeah.

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Speaker 2
 Well, okay. Let's get into stuff that we have watched. I've watched a lot,

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Speaker 2
 but I really want to talk about primal, which was the, I can never pronounce this guy's name. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
 Kennedy, Gennady, Hannity, Dr. Kavosky, the illustrator or animator who did a Dexter's laboratory and then the clone wars and then primal, which was a three season show about a caveman and his dinosaur accomplice as they were going across a very not historically accurate.

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Speaker 2
 Prehistory.

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Speaker 2
 It ended those three seasons ended with a spear of the caveman's name was spear edited with him being killed horribly. And then the dinosaur taking its to babies and going off to live by itself.

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Speaker 2
 Everyone kept saying, how can we get a third season or fourth season? And he was like, no possible way. And then he decided, well, well possibly. And so the new season has spear as a zombie. And he is wandering through not even prehistory. Now there's no more dinosaurs left at Pears. Although there are some strange worm monsters. Yeah, some stuff. Yeah. But he is fighting against other tribes of humans and he's got half a brain exposed and he is rotting away and he doesn't know what he's doing and has very sad memories of his prior life. I got to say it's pretty fucking compelling stuff. Yeah, it's very good.

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Speaker 1
 I've seen the first, just the two that are out or something?

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Speaker 2
 I think there's four.

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Speaker 1
 It sounds so sad.

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Speaker 1
 Oh, I told them.

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Speaker 3
 Oh my God.

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Speaker 2
 Anyhow, that is on Cartoon Network and then on HBO Max like the next day. So that is primal. I got rid of my HBO Max.

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Speaker 2
 Not by choice. I was not paying for it.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah, that was the one thing I would steal from every ex-boyfriend for a long time. I did not pay for HBO Max. Yeah. Technically, no. Technically my husband.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah. Yeah. HBO and then Max and then. Did we, by the way, did we ever talk about Stranger Things?

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Speaker 1
 I don't even know.

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Speaker 1
 We didn't. We talked about it when it started up. But yeah, not.

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Speaker 3
 Should we talk about Stranger Things? I kind of feel like we should. I mean, it's like a giant. Did you actually. I've said it. Well, let's talk about Stranger Things. Yeah, let's, I can talk about that.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah, that was a really interesting final season. It stole very liberally from a lot of places, some of which I think was to positive effect and some of which was to negative. So my least favorite actors in the last season are doing much better in this one and vice versa. So yeah, I don't know who is who is your favorite character this season? At least like I hated the ball.

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Speaker 2
 I'm very nearly hated this season. And this show, I just was so disappointed with every aspect of it. Really? Story wise, acting wise, I thought, Jesus, this is the worst acting that Harbor has done.

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Speaker 3
 Oh, Harbor is terrible. So is one of the writer. In the show. So I didn't, but he's not giving them. I mean, like, it's awful. Dave Harrington is great. The little sister is great. The shithead little boy whose name I can't remember what it is. He's awesome. Okay. There's some like stuff. Oh no, from our main cast. Forget it.

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Speaker 2
 Everybody is pretty bad.

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Speaker 2
 It's so hard. Yeah. To buy into any of this.

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Speaker 4
 That's great.

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Speaker 2
 A supernatural experience in my life that I can't quite explain. And I try to stick away from it because if I think too much about it, it really kind of disturbs me. Oh, and that was something that happened when I was 14.

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Speaker 3
 Okay.

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Speaker 2
 And it was nothing like what these people are going through. It's like, go on. Absolutely zero. PTSD from any of the shit they have. Totally recovered and ready to go.

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Speaker 3
 One of them's going to be a writer. One's going to be, you know, a hip, like a high school teacher. Uh, one's just going to be gay. It bars.

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Speaker 3
 Apparently.

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Speaker 2
 Here's, here's the thing. Here's what I would like to see. Yeah. Um, the rumor is they shot. The ending, you know, 12 years ago or whenever this started. Yeah. Uh, and that first season and it was going to be them all sitting at the table as kids winding up. This had all been a gang. Sure. And I would have loved that.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah. I would have been a lot better. From what I understand the first season, what it was meant to be like each, each season was going to be its own thing. That's why stranger things, not like not these four kids, these four kids in their friend on an adventure. Like, so I think they kind of got trapped into this.

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Speaker 3
 Thing. And I think that would have been a great ending for sure. But instead we are doing that. We're all on a rooftop just hanging out, talking about that was weird. Cause I'm like, you guys were never friends in the first place. You're just all the extra people and the slightly older ones. These are the older friends. These are the older friends, but you weren't all friends with each other in this way. You were all, most of you were tied pretty intricately to the young. Why are you just on the route? Okay.

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Speaker 4
 Yeah.

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Speaker 3
 I don't get that.

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Speaker 1
 You asked for the set about favorite characters. My thing was by the end of the last season, the previous one. Yeah. The only person I thought was compelling was the. The kid.

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Speaker 3
 I know Eddie.

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Speaker 1
 Sorry.

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Speaker 1
 As you remember, I was real hesitant to even watch this season. So I came in at least with that. Yeah. So I might've enjoyed that a little more because I had. Beyond low expectations. Yeah. But it was not. I mean, yeah. For a second, I enjoyed it was fun. This is kind of cool.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah.

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Speaker 1
 Even as a Prince fan, I thought the purple rain choices were a little weird. Sure. I thought running down the hills was a great.

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Speaker 3
 That was so well used. Even the never ending story song was pretty well used.

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Speaker 1
 Watching a making up about why they ended up choosing those two songs. You know, when. Because they needed an album. Oh, that's a well-known starter song and a well-known ender song. That's a bummer. And there's not a lot of albums that pull that off on one side. Yeah. So they had three or four albums they were looking at, but the music lady by how she was done. She said, well, here's two.

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Speaker 1
 Yeah. Which is what they did, but it was fine. But.

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Speaker 1
 See sitting here going, okay, what happened in that final episode?

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Speaker 3
 It's hard to remember because there's so many. Each each episode like Kelly was saying, it's like a movie length. Long. And that last one was two and a half.

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Speaker 1
 Oh my God.

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Speaker 3
 It went on forever.

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Speaker 2
 Also.

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Speaker 2
 More interesting was the idea that there was going to be an eighth. Episode of the secret episode they were going to release. And I was like, how, how shitty would I feel if I had put out here's the ending and the fans hated it so much. They hoped I was kidding.

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Speaker 4
 I know.

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Speaker 3
 I know. But I think that I don't know if you could have done anything that the fans would have been happy about. That's true.

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Speaker 1
 Yeah. Any major fan of now. Yeah. 10% of assholes who are the ones that talk the most. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
 I know. Character has always been Dustin and watching him with a beat to shit face all season was not something I particularly cared for.

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Speaker 1
 And he was kind of dickish.

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Speaker 2
 He was kind of dickish, but that was because of the loss of that.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah.

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Speaker 2
 Yeah. He was going through it. And I still think my favorite needle drop was after his speech and they kick into the trooper by our name.

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Speaker 1
 I was like, all right.

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Speaker 1
 I'm like, Yeah.

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Speaker 1
 And you know, time wise, this is a very, you really think about the timeline of this show versus the age of the kids versus the time period is supposed to be in. There are all kinds of problems.

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Speaker 3
 Oh yeah. Oh, for sure.

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Speaker 1
 Okay. So this is, this song came out in like 88 or 90. This one came out in. Are these supposed to be songs that are huge for the time period?

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Speaker 3
 I feel like they've just stopped caring about those.

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Speaker 1
 Yeah. But then there's also the, the, the aspect of the, like, what you were saying, they've ended like, this is a campaign to junior high and high school. Yeah.

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Speaker 1
 Yeah. But they ended that on such a strange timeline of, I mean, I don't, I just, I was sitting there watching one of the episodes trying to figure out the timeline of how much people were aged. Yeah. And then there's still like, it's supposed to be,

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Speaker 2
 well, part of my problem. And this is a shitty thing, but all those cute kids aged badly. Yeah. They're very unattractive adults. And Nancy, unique looking looks like, you know, a 40 year old woman.

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Speaker 3
 Well, Nancy, they did this on purpose. They really went hard on the,

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Speaker 3
 oh God, chick from alien. And Alexia.

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Speaker 1
 She remarked there. I had a teacher. I'm sorry. There's a teacher at my elementary school. Yeah. That was a grade lower. I started at that school in third grade. She was a secondary teacher. She freaked me out because she was really, really skinny. Mm-hmm. Had dark hair so bad in anorexic. She passed out into her classroom. Oh my God. And her jawline. Yeah. Exactly.

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Speaker 1
 Like. Yeah.

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Speaker 3
 I think they made it really extreme because they, they gave her the tight, curly hair. They gave her the likes, uh, so ordinary Weaver, like feel to the character. They kind of rewrote Nancy for this season and I didn't care for her at all.

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Speaker 1
 I, I thought that was a fun idea. The execution was a little

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Speaker 3
 flat. They needed to do like more around her.

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Speaker 1
 She was very nasty. She is a badass kicker with it.

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Speaker 3
 She's guns, glittering, doesn't give a fuck about anybody. You know, men are a waste of her time.

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Speaker 3
 Character. And I was like, Oh, okay. But Robin, I love Robin.

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Speaker 2
 Also the writers gave everybody a moment.

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Speaker 4
 Yeah.

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Speaker 2
 Everybody had a speech and everybody had, you know, this is what I've been hiding and I'm revealing it to you. And I just didn't think that anybody was a strong enough actor to pull off the dialogue, especially in those scenes. The scene where, um, what's the thing that comes out? I was like, how long I think if your friends was somebody this long and then they tell you that at what point do your friends go, buddy, first of all, we know

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Speaker 3
 it feels like his brother and his mom. Yeah. Yeah. It did. It did feel like a long speech. I also was like, I feel like I'm not as emotionally engaged with this as I should be, but I've been hearing from other people that they were like astounded by how real it felt. And they really, like, it was a huge scene for them. So I'm like, maybe I'm just not the right person for the scene.

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Speaker 2
 I'm an old buddy, Daddy, and everything. So the scene was Nancy and her mother, the darling attractive mother of her life.

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Speaker 3
 Well, they're getting. Oh my God, he's so awful. The glue stuff was cool. But then.

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Speaker 2
 Discussion.

[01:17:09:08 - 01:17:09:22]
Speaker 2
 Talking about.

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Speaker 3
 Let's promise not to ever get married.

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Speaker 2
 I know.

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Speaker 3
 He's terrible. I don't know why we had to. He was just as a

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Speaker 2
 you're a bigger fan of the show. I think that you either of us. What did you feel like with this last season? Were you satisfied?

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Speaker 3
 I mean, I got a bunch of content. That was fun to watch. I did. I had stuff to watch. It was terrible.

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Speaker 2
 I don't know why we had to use just as a you know, it was fine.

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Speaker 4
 I mean, I got a bunch of content. That was fun. I did. I had stuff to watch. It was.

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Speaker 3
 It was you know, it was fine. I like how hard they went into some stuff like they didn't shy away from the fact they ended the previous season on Hawkins be fucked. There's a bunch of shit that like ruptured the planet and they weren't like, never mind. Don't worry about it. They were like, no, no, it's still fucked. And I appreciated that they stuck with that. I loved the wrinkle in time like journey with all the kids stuff. I don't think it paid off as well as it could. I don't think anything paid off as well as it could have. And I think they went way too many directions just like last season. I'm like, you know, why? God, eleven and the dad were just spent so long with them just wandering around being like, don't do anything stupid. I want to do something stupid. OK, well, I might do something stupid. Don't do anything stupid. Like I'm like, I don't care about a lot of these random little things, but some of those story beats, some of those visuals like the gloopy, gloopy building. Like what does it mean? I don't know, but it's fucking cool.

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Speaker 2
 Yeah, I will say that it looked very cool. The monsters have always been very cool.

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Speaker 3
 Monsters very cool. The mom like just fucking wrecking shit through the bomb and the dryer. That was cool as hell. I'm like, damn, woman, you are like hardcore.

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Speaker 2
 So you're getting to something that really as a writer, I was just like, OK, I'm coming to really. I'm really an epic series and I'm able to now end it. Not everyone's going to make it through this.

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Speaker 3
 I know they should have killed her. I would like to. Yeah, they should have killed everybody survives. I know.

[01:19:18:08 - 01:19:20:22]
Speaker 1
 At least some of the parents could have been taken out.

[01:19:20:22 - 01:19:27:16]
Speaker 3
 That Russian associate got Morty or Mike. He should have died last season.

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Speaker 2
 There are people who are somebody like him. He could have been given like a heroic sacrifice that would have made all his bullshit completely worth it.

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Speaker 3
 I was sure David Harbor was going to die. I was sure he was going to die. There was so much like leading up to this guy. You know, he's been through it. He's instead we get to see him on a really awkward, terrible day. And now he's back to being police chief. I'm like, oh, all right. And you're going to move to a beach town. Maybe I don't know. I'm not sure. And 11 was irritating through this whole thing too.

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Speaker 1
 Man, they also dressed her rudely.

[01:20:03:03 - 01:20:05:15]
Speaker 3
 Horribly. Every outfit.

[01:20:05:15 - 01:20:09:19]
Speaker 1
 What are some of the most stupid ideas people wore in the 80s? Let's give them both to 11.

[01:20:09:19 - 01:20:20:10]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, 11 looked-- I was like, we're going to get a costume change, right? Because this-- nope, we're still in it. OK. This is the most unattractive way you could have dressed this particular actress. All right.

[01:20:20:10 - 01:20:28:01]
Speaker 2
 Maybe that's on purpose. She has turned into a gorgeous young woman. Yeah. They're like, she's supposed to be what, 16 or something now.

[01:20:29:08 - 01:20:35:11]
Speaker 3
 She doesn't have to be sexualized, but she doesn't have to be like, hideous and like, in weird, re-boxed sports gear or whatever.

[01:20:35:11 - 01:20:42:08]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, those are the outfits that even in the 80s, that's not really-- shorts over your sweats. That's your choice. Yeah.

[01:20:42:08 - 01:21:13:12]
Speaker 3
 It's very, very strange decisions going on. But then, again, like, there are-- I thought a lot of the stuff with Vecna was really cool. And the actor as like, what-- not all of his background story, but like, some of it was really compelling. I don't know. It's a tough one because this is true of every season of the show. There are moments that are great, and there are moments that are like, this is fucking stupid. But overall, I'm glad I said-- it's a popcorn, you know? It's just-- it's something fun to sit through.

[01:21:13:12 - 01:21:16:02]
Speaker 2
 I just don't understand this--

[01:21:17:21 - 01:21:55:15]
Speaker 2
 especially when you're going to dump all episodes or whatever. Yeah. I don't understand why we have to have episodic series now. This would have made three great fucking movies. Stranger Things trilogy movies, that would have been just two-- you know, three two-hour movies, tight stories. I think we'd all-- Instead of three like six-hour segments. I finished the last one. I went right back and watched the first one again, something like that. Yeah. But you're right. Every season has had filler episodes. I was pleasantly surprised that they brought back Eleven's sister because that was like the stupidest thing of that season.

[01:21:55:15 - 01:22:01:10]
Speaker 3
 That was the stupidest thing of all. I was like, oh no, she's back. Oh no, oh no, oh no. And for the most part, it sucked.

[01:22:01:10 - 01:22:20:06]
Speaker 2
 But-- I enjoyed it just because I was like, oh, they didn't forget that she has a sister. She has a sister. They can just write her out and everything. So I liked that they had involved her. There was just stuff that I was like, the amount of time that took to write and make these, we should have gotten the best stuff ever.

[01:22:20:06 - 01:22:35:10]
Speaker 3
 I know. And it was weird to have things like, Laura Hamilton's here. Why? What did she want? What's going on? Oh, never mind. Linda Hamilton. I'm sorry. Yeah. Linda Hamilton. And then we peaced out on her. She doesn't die. That was one of those segments. The whole army thing was so bizarre.

[01:22:36:11 - 01:22:38:05]
Speaker 1
 I think you could have written that entirely out.

[01:22:39:16 - 01:22:51:10]
Speaker 1
 Easy. Just as-- it would have been shorter, tighter, more interesting. Yeah. And we kept it with the core team. Yeah. And they really served no purpose other than adding-- None.

[01:22:51:10 - 01:22:54:19]
Speaker 3
 Well, we had to get through these gates. Fodder. Lots of fodder. Lots of dead people.

[01:22:54:19 - 01:23:07:06]
Speaker 2
 All they did. Yeah. Or even better, if it's upside down and everything, let's say we get rid of the military early on, except that now we are dealing with an upside down version of all those characters.

[01:23:07:06 - 01:23:10:23]
Speaker 1
 Oh, that'd be cool. Yeah, I was really surprised that. I thought that's what was going on.

[01:23:10:23 - 01:23:15:23]
Speaker 2
 You know, we could get something there where it's like-- Yeah. Where it's like, you know, up in--

[01:23:17:06 - 01:23:40:09]
Speaker 2
 what is it? Hawkins. Up in Hawkins, we are kind of pretending that everything's normal. But in the upside down, there's all of this shit going on. And I don't know. I just-- I feel like it was a big letdown. And I was angry at myself because I didn't like last season either. And I was like, why am I watching this? I'm watching this just because it's the last one. And I wanted to just say, yes, I watched it all.

[01:23:40:09 - 01:23:44:12]
Speaker 3
 It's a cultural event. You partook in a giant cultural event.

[01:23:44:12 - 01:23:48:16]
Speaker 1
 What can I tell you? If you don't, sometimes it's kind of nice. I never watched the final season Dexter.

[01:23:48:16 - 01:23:49:21]
Speaker 4
 Oh, yeah.

[01:23:49:21 - 01:23:51:03]
Speaker 1
 Because I heard-- Oh, that's for the best.

[01:23:51:03 - 01:23:55:13]
Speaker 2
 I'm not even watching it. I didn't care. How are you going to watch the 16-- I haven't watched any of the newest--

[01:23:55:13 - 01:24:01:13]
Speaker 3
 Seasons that have come since the final season. I haven't watched any of them. He's back. He somehow survived the hurricane. I don't know.

[01:24:01:13 - 01:24:03:23]
Speaker 1
 He's back again because that one did well.

[01:24:03:23 - 01:24:12:18]
Speaker 3
 I got through the John Lithgow season. And then after that, I stopped watching. So I think that was the right-- What was that, season two? I think that was the one-- John Lithgow was like season three or four.

[01:24:14:08 - 01:24:15:04]
Speaker 3
 He was great.

[01:24:15:04 - 01:24:17:15]
Speaker 2
 All right. Well, have you put Stranger Things to bed?

[01:24:17:15 - 01:24:23:13]
Speaker 3
 Yes. Yeah. I'm glad that we talked about it. Thank you guys for humoring me. I appreciate it.

[01:24:23:13 - 01:24:29:10]
Speaker 1
 Welcome on into something that was good. And one of us really loved. What was that? Dust Bunny.

[01:24:29:10 - 01:24:36:14]
Speaker 2
 I'm almost angry you're going to be talking about this because we do have a favorite movie coming up.

[01:24:36:14 - 01:24:38:00]
Speaker 1
 That's all right. It's a couple of weeks away.

[01:24:38:00 - 01:24:43:10]
Speaker 2
 Yeah. I have some time in February. Vanessa, have you watched Dust Bunny yet? I have not.

[01:24:43:10 - 01:24:44:15]
Speaker 1
 It's neat.

[01:24:46:05 - 01:24:50:00]
Speaker 1
 It's on the shutter? I would say it is-- No, it's a rental. It's a rental, but it's not a--

[01:24:50:00 - 01:24:52:04]
Speaker 2
 It's a 399 rental now.

[01:24:52:04 - 01:25:21:01]
Speaker 1
 I keep looking at what predator badlands. $25 rental still. Insane. Yeah. We'll get there. But what if Wes Anderson made a horror movie, at least visually? It is very Wes Anderson. The coloring, the way it's shot. There's a lot of solid, straight on shots. It looks good. It's not like I thought, well, I think it looked great. I think it was a really good choice to do that for such a strange story. Yeah.

[01:25:22:14 - 01:25:44:20]
Speaker 1
 So since you talk about it then, I'll just touch on it briefly. Before our 2025 breakdown, you should go watch Dust Bunny, an amazing story of a little girl who's got something under her bed. Ew. And I also saw some comparisons. I thought we were sort of right, but also way stretch. But Leon the Professional-- Yeah.

[01:25:44:20 - 01:25:45:01]
Speaker 4
 Oh.

[01:25:46:15 - 01:25:47:21]
Speaker 1
 Without any of the creepy elements.

[01:25:49:06 - 01:25:49:09]
 (Laughter)

[01:25:49:09 - 01:25:52:17]
Speaker 2
 I think that's the sequel to this movie. Yeah, there you go.

[01:25:54:03 - 01:25:54:17]
 (Laughter)

[01:25:54:17 - 01:25:56:19]
Speaker 1
 She's a little older and he's a little stranger.

[01:25:57:20 - 01:25:59:08]
Speaker 1
 But yeah.

[01:25:59:08 - 01:26:08:05]
Speaker 2
 I'll push back on the Wes Anderson stuff, because this is such a Brian Fuller film. It looks just like Hannibal.

[01:26:09:11 - 01:26:12:22]
Speaker 2
 And of course, it stars Matt Nicholson. So there's a lot of that going on.

[01:26:14:09 - 01:26:20:13]
Speaker 2
 It is-- it's one of those movies where-- not getting great reviews. And I was shocked, because--

[01:26:21:13 - 01:26:54:20]
Speaker 2
 spoiler-- my favorite movie of the year. And a lot of people going, I don't understand the tone of this film, who is this film for and everything. And I was like, I guess it was for me, because I love every single moment of it. There is a scene that starts in a church that is just these women singing the Lord's Prayer. And apparently, the way it was always supposed to be done-- Oh. Because I was like riveted and just going, I've never heard this. I heard the Lord's Prayer song.

[01:26:54:20 - 01:26:55:01]
Speaker 4
 Yeah.

[01:26:55:01 - 01:27:18:22]
Speaker 2
 This was something that I was like, I will own this version of the Lord's Prayer. Wow. So gorgeous. And ends with the little girl stealing a collection plate, grinning like a mad girl. Wow. And I was laughing so hard, I was crying. And I then listened to a person who I love review it, going, what a shit show this movie is. Wow.

[01:27:20:01 - 01:27:26:20]
Speaker 2
 And I was like, really? And apparently so, because it had a very limited theatrical release and made $0.

[01:27:26:20 - 01:27:32:15]
Speaker 1
 If you hadn't mentioned it someplace, I never would have-- I don't think I've ever heard of it.

[01:27:32:15 - 01:27:36:10]
Speaker 2
 I'm Brian Fuller's Instagram all the time.

[01:27:36:10 - 01:27:41:05]
Speaker 3
 Is this an American product? Or is it because it's got mads? Is it a foreign?

[01:27:41:05 - 01:27:54:11]
Speaker 2
 Well, I'm not exactly sure where it's shot, because it is shot in a location. The hotel is a location that is supposedly Chinatown in New York.

[01:27:56:04 - 01:28:14:15]
Speaker 2
 If Chinatown looks this fucking cool, I would be stunned. Time to go home. This apartment is just so fucking gorgeous. And the apartment that they live in, but also just the surrounding apartment, the elevator, the stairwell up and everything, is so goddamn gorgeous.

[01:28:17:03 - 01:28:23:21]
Speaker 2
 So I don't know if it's really an American film or not. It's not a huge studio film. I know that.

[01:28:25:08 - 01:28:29:00]
Speaker 1
 It has the feeling of a porn film.

[01:28:29:00 - 01:28:31:12]
Speaker 2
 At first I was like, where are we? Are we in Japan?

[01:28:32:17 - 01:28:44:16]
Speaker 2
 Are we in Korea? Because I was like, everything looks a little too clean, and it's got a big Asian flair. And then the story we told is Chinatown, New York. I was like, no. I'm sorry.

[01:28:44:16 - 01:28:52:01]
Speaker 1
 I call bullshit. It has a little bit-- and in this case, I love it-- a stylized way of existing.

[01:28:52:01 - 01:28:54:13]
Speaker 2
 It feels very European.

[01:28:54:13 - 01:29:04:12]
Speaker 1
 It's kind of like the one guy you go to, Jorgis, the guy I did, Killing a Sacred Deer, and all that, whose stylized style I don't like.

[01:29:04:12 - 01:29:08:11]
Speaker 1
 guy's stylized style is really cool.

[01:29:08:11 - 01:29:19:01]
Speaker 1
 Yeah. It's, and the, there's this crazy thing going on in this movie that we miss in Stranger Things called subtlety.

[01:29:20:15 - 01:29:34:04]
Speaker 1
 And not, it's like the scene when they're having dinner and the guy comes in and they're talking to each other. Not saying shit that's on the nose, but altered,

[01:29:34:04 - 01:29:40:20]
Speaker 3
 it's, it is, it's pretty damn good. Nice, okay, I'll definitely have to check that out before our big year.

[01:29:40:20 - 01:29:42:22]
Speaker 2
 I've watched it four times now. Wow.

[01:29:44:07 - 01:30:19:07]
Speaker 2
 And it is, it is the story of a little girl who thinks she has a monster under her bed and she has seen somebody in her apartment building kill what she thinks is a monster. So she has decided she's going to hire him to kill the monster under her bed. Oh. The thing is, he is an assassin and now he's like dealing with the little girl that's seen him kill somebody. Oh. So it's got this really dark undertone, especially at the beginning when he says, show me and she leaves into the apartment and he starts putting on these gloves and you're like, go to wherever I can.

[01:30:21:02 - 01:30:31:21]
Speaker 2
 And the thing is, for a while you're not sure if she's imagining everything. Yeah, for what? Yeah, so you're just like, it just felt crazy.

[01:30:33:05 - 01:30:47:03]
Speaker 2
 And then if so, why? And so there is a story that is laid out over various scenes where you realize, oh, this girl may have seen something and there is something that wants her dead.

[01:30:47:03 - 01:30:48:01]
Speaker 4
 Oh, interesting.

[01:30:48:01 - 01:30:58:14]
Speaker 2
 May or may not be a monster under her bed. Wow. And it's just, you know, this little girl, I do not like precocious kids. I'm in love with this little girl. She's so good. Yeah.

[01:30:58:14 - 01:31:07:09]
Speaker 1
 She's so good. The scene you mentioned with the church, just the way she looks, running out, she's like, I gotta play with this shit, oh my God. It's true.

[01:31:07:09 - 01:31:24:05]
Speaker 2
 And she's got lots of scenes like that. Yeah, the chemistry with her in "Mance" is just like, you know, wow, holy shit. It brought me out of the film because I was like, well, Brian Fuller must have just been, you know, insane behind the camera going, I can't believe.

[01:31:24:05 - 01:31:25:10]
Speaker 3
 This is working.

[01:31:25:10 - 01:31:28:01]
Speaker 2
 Performance, I think that was an eight year old.

[01:31:28:01 - 01:31:28:20]
 (Laughing)

[01:31:28:20 - 01:31:32:15]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, she's really good. Oh my God, wow, incredible.

[01:31:32:15 - 01:32:16:01]
Speaker 2
 So I'm really bummed that it did not do well in theaters and that there are people, I thought that it was going to come to streaming and people would be like, how did we miss this? And instead the reviews are uneven, what is this movie? Who is it for? Oh no. Because I just thought, well, I mean, clearly it's for Brian Fuller. He thought, you know, this is a movie I wanna make. It is, it's absolutely somebody's idea of, you know, exactly what they wanted to go. Sigourney Weaver is in it. The guy you're talking about at the table, that's David Desmalian. So there's all these recognizable people showing up in this thing than crickets when it was released.

[01:32:16:01 - 01:32:22:10]
Speaker 3
 Was this, I mean, you might not know, but was this like a festival, like a fantastic fest darling or something?

[01:32:22:10 - 01:32:23:14]
Speaker 1
 I don't know.

[01:32:23:14 - 01:32:29:01]
Speaker 2
 I don't remember seeing anything about it. Yeah, you'd think if it was, that would have gotten a bit of a splash.

[01:32:29:01 - 01:32:29:16]
Speaker 4
 Yeah.

[01:32:29:16 - 01:32:33:20]
Speaker 2
 So I don't know, but it's Brian Fuller's first film. That enough should have been.

[01:32:33:20 - 01:32:40:12]
Speaker 1
 That is pretty cool. It's done because I, you know, I didn't watch. Yeah, but I would think that that first feature.

[01:32:40:12 - 01:32:49:06]
Speaker 2
 Holy shit. That news should have been enough that you would at least see articles about it, right? So I don't know if his agent hates him or if he's done something.

[01:32:49:06 - 01:32:51:15]
Speaker 3
 Distribution, just let him down somehow or yeah.

[01:32:51:15 - 01:32:54:03]
Speaker 2
 Desk money available as a rental.

[01:32:55:15 - 01:32:56:07]
Speaker 2
 Watch it please.

[01:32:57:08 - 01:33:09:01]
Speaker 2
 Nice. Yeah, I'm so glad that you saw it and that you liked it. You know, I've got a hard recommend and that recommend is do not watch "Kill Me Again."

[01:33:09:01 - 01:33:09:14]
Speaker 3
 Oh no.

[01:33:11:16 - 01:33:13:03]
Speaker 3
 You keep getting all these stinkers.

[01:33:13:03 - 01:33:39:14]
Speaker 2
 It is, this one is super frustrating. This is a time loop movie about a serial killer who gets caught killing this person and keeps going back to it, right? And at first he's digging it. And then he's trying to figure out how do I get out of this? And then he's getting more and more frustrated and you're like, well, this is an interesting twist on the time loop. And then-- Is this a new film? Yeah, brand new. It should be, I think it's on shutter.

[01:33:42:12 - 01:34:02:19]
Speaker 2
 It is one of these things that loses steam about halfway through and kind of gains it back with a couple of things where you're like, oh, because all of a sudden there, if this is all happening in a diner, and then as he started that just really get to the lowest point where he doesn't know what to do, all of a sudden there's a priest that was not there sitting at the diner.

[01:34:02:19 - 01:34:03:02]
Speaker 4
 Ooh.

[01:34:03:02 - 01:34:22:12]
Speaker 2
 And I'm like, oh, this is turning cool. And there's a guy in one corner that is like, oh, is this the devil or is this guy doing, oh, this is getting very interesting. And it shits the bed. No. At the very end, it explains what is happening. And you're like, this is not what I wanted.

[01:34:22:12 - 01:34:23:05]
 (Laughs)

[01:34:23:05 - 01:34:24:04]
Speaker 3
 Oh, God.

[01:34:24:04 - 01:34:26:11]
Speaker 2
 It's really bad. Oh, no.

[01:34:27:11 - 01:34:30:10]
Speaker 2
 So, Kill Me Again is a,

[01:34:32:07 - 01:34:33:13]
Speaker 2
 what I would like to call it.

[01:34:34:20 - 01:34:36:08]
 (Laughs)

[01:34:36:08 - 01:34:44:00]
Speaker 3
 A genre in and of itself. It should be a Ariel scarecrow video. Just poop sound here.

[01:34:46:10 - 01:34:56:10]
Speaker 2
 It's a wild swing that most connects and then goes foul. You're just like, oh, yeah, yeah. And then right up, yeah.

[01:34:57:22 - 01:35:04:06]
Speaker 3
 I know that you and I have had discussions previously about Greenlands and you liked it a lot more than I did.

[01:35:04:06 - 01:35:10:03]
Speaker 2
 Wait a second, I don't think that's true. I hated it. Well, I didn't hate it, but I was like, this movie is so fucking dark and depressing.

[01:35:10:03 - 01:35:17:10]
Speaker 3
 Well, I remember being like, well, there's not enough horrible stuff going on. Not horrible, but there's a lot of horrible, but there's not enough disaster.

[01:35:17:10 - 01:35:23:23]
Speaker 2
 You both want a disaster. Yes. And instead, it is a reflection of how ugly every human will be if something like this happens.

[01:35:23:23 - 01:35:28:01]
Speaker 3
 100%. So, Greenland too somehow got money.

[01:35:29:20 - 01:35:31:07]
Speaker 3
 I went to the theater.

[01:35:31:07 - 01:35:32:17]
Speaker 2
 We were both like, oh,

[01:35:32:17 - 01:35:42:19]
Speaker 3
 this trailer looks interesting. The trailer looked really cool and it looked like they got a bigger budget and more disasters. I'm not going to see this, am I?

[01:35:43:20 - 01:35:45:21]
Speaker 3
 Kelly, you are not.

[01:35:45:21 - 01:35:48:19]
Speaker 2
 How bad is it? The trailer looks cool.

[01:35:48:19 - 01:35:54:23]
Speaker 3
 It is one of the worst movies. For certainly the worst movie probably of this year,

[01:35:56:15 - 01:35:59:03]
Speaker 3
 bottom 10 of the last five years.

[01:36:00:12 - 01:36:00:15]
 (Laughing)

[01:36:00:15 - 01:36:02:20]
Speaker 3
 Oh well. She's very confident.

[01:36:03:23 - 01:36:06:22]
Speaker 3
 You sure didn't come out last year because it feels like a long time.

[01:36:08:05 - 01:36:44:12]
Speaker 3
 This movie has no fucking clue what is up. You start in a bunker where-- It's like five years after. Yeah, it's been some time. People have adjusted to this new life. You've got a series of people who are living in this sort of government bunker. There's still stuff happening in the world. There are things that are weather patterns and stuff going on so they can't really leave and start living life out of here anymore. So you get these dynamics. You've got this military person, you've got a science person, you've got our core family,

[01:36:45:13 - 01:36:56:04]
Speaker 3
 you've got a crush that the little boy has on a schoolmate. And then there's an event and everybody runs out. And basically all those people disappear.

[01:36:57:04 - 01:37:15:16]
Speaker 3
 And then we're just with the family going from place to place to place for kind of seemingly no reason with this idea that if they get to this one spot, it's gonna be heaven and no weird, random stuff is gonna happen there. No comets are gonna hit it. And they're trying to get there.

[01:37:15:16 - 01:37:18:18]
Speaker 2
 The first movie is a meteor striking up here.

[01:37:18:18 - 01:37:32:07]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, this one, I'm not entirely sure what's going on. They're still like media, I think they're like in a meteor belt or something. There's still stuff hitting the earth all the time, but it's causing like lightning strike,

[01:37:33:10 - 01:37:39:06]
Speaker 3
 like shelf of lightnings and there's lots of earthquakes and more tidal waves.

[01:37:39:06 - 01:37:44:00]
Speaker 2
 More disaster form like we like.

[01:37:45:10 - 01:38:12:06]
Speaker 3
 Yes, but it lacks everything else. And the disaster porn kind of looks like AI generated because you get the sense that there's not enough budget. A lot of the rooms you're in, you're like, man, somebody like put this together on no money. And then all of a sudden you're outside and there's things blowing up. It just feels real iffy. And on top of it, the whole movie is essentially Gerard Butler figuring out a way in which he can get out of being in a third film.

[01:38:14:03 - 01:38:14:03]
 (Laughing)

[01:38:14:03 - 01:38:24:17]
Speaker 3
 So he's like, oh, I got injured. Oh, I'm actually, I got, I'm not gonna make it guys. I feel real rough. And by the end of the movie, he's like, I'm just fucking dead.

[01:38:25:22 - 01:38:52:10]
Speaker 3
 You cannot bring me back for a third film. No, leave me. Leave, I will be here. Just bury me in rocks. Do not disturb the site. It is so fucking bad. It is truly unwatchable garbage. You would be, I would say it's maybe a level better than like a sci-fi original movie, but it is certainly not as good as anything that should be playing in a theater.

[01:38:52:10 - 01:38:58:04]
Speaker 2
 I don't remember, I thought the "Creamland" kind of bombed. So how did they even get us here? I don't know.

[01:38:58:04 - 01:39:12:20]
Speaker 3
 I think they were just like, we got Gerard Butler. Surely you'll give us more money. And they were like, yeah, okay, Gerard Butler. And he's like, I will never be a pawn again. I wanna see the script and I want final rights. Like you can just tell he's in it. He does not wanna be there.

[01:39:14:00 - 01:39:20:19]
Speaker 3
 I can't remember the actress's name from "Serenity." She does not wanna be there. The kid kind of wants to be there.

[01:39:20:19 - 01:39:21:22]
Speaker 2
 I fucking love her so much.

[01:39:21:22 - 01:39:41:20]
Speaker 3
 Oh my God, nobody, everything about this film is painful. It is just, and you keep meeting people going, oh, are they gonna like be a character? Nope, nope. You're dead, you're lost. You're just forgotten about. You're, you know, what is happening in this film? Who knows? It's a mystery, but we're moving forward. It's a mystery.

[01:39:41:20 - 01:39:42:12]
 (Laughing)

[01:39:43:15 - 01:39:47:15]
Speaker 3
 No. Or at least. So anyway, "The Greenland Two," don't spend money on it.

[01:39:47:15 - 01:40:01:06]
Speaker 1
 Okay, well, I don't know if I dislike this one as much as you dislike that one, but one that kind of surprised me because the reviews are a little bit decent for it that I checked out. Not great, but these are just Bone Lake.

[01:40:03:09 - 01:40:11:17]
Speaker 1
 It starts off with this incredibly graphic, disturbing, weird first five minutes or so I'm going,

[01:40:12:20 - 01:40:35:14]
Speaker 1
 all right, I mean, we're talking arrow through the gate. The guy's not wearing clothes. So it starts off like, whoa. And I'm like, okay, cool, this is gonna be interesting. No more of the weird afraid of sex movies that have been out in the last few years. The rest of the movie is vanilla as well, as far as that has been put.

[01:40:35:14 - 01:40:41:03]
Speaker 2
 Wow. So the reviews I read were like, this is an erotic thriller with lots of sex and all this.

[01:40:41:03 - 01:40:57:01]
Speaker 1
 There's lots of fooling around and there's lots of talking about sex and there's sex moments. You know, the weird sex people have now where they all wear clothes, are these partial clothes for all the sex, no matter what's happening. Kind of like, okay, I don't care.

[01:40:57:01 - 01:41:00:01]
Speaker 3
 Everybody's like in front of other people doing a quickie.

[01:41:00:01 - 01:41:00:23]
 (Laughing)

[01:41:00:23 - 01:41:06:03]
Speaker 3
 We just have to keep our clothes on, pretend like it's fine. I don't know what you call it myself. Jesus Christ. I just got a point.

[01:41:06:03 - 01:41:10:13]
Speaker 2
 When you do, you're just like, listen, you don't need to see this, honey.

[01:41:10:13 - 01:41:12:03]
 (Laughing)

[01:41:12:03 - 01:41:33:16]
Speaker 1
 Not with the shape these people are in, but I can't. Oh, really? Absolutely. But the idea, it opened up and gone, wow, this looks like a crazy ass Italian 70s extreme stuff. Yeah. And then it becomes something that's a little tougher than what you might see on regular television. Oh no.

[01:41:35:11 - 01:41:39:10]
Speaker 1
 My biggest problem isn't that aspect of it though. That's fine, it's like whatever choice you decide.

[01:41:40:15 - 01:42:04:08]
Speaker 1
 It's this weird sub genre of film that's popped up over the last few years where there's an overly polite couple being completely manipulated by some really dickheads. Oh, sure. And they don't just walk away. Yeah. There's a point in this movie where it's like, yeah, I am gone. There's no way I'm staying around for that. And then the next level stuff happens.

[01:42:05:16 - 01:42:07:08]
Speaker 1
 Nobody's staying around after that one.

[01:42:07:08 - 01:42:07:21]
Speaker 4
 Yeah.

[01:42:07:21 - 01:42:11:15]
Speaker 1
 No one. Still 40 minutes left in the damn movie.

[01:42:11:15 - 01:42:20:10]
Speaker 2
 Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't this also the same premise as "Barbarium"? Don't they like double book a bed and breakfast or something?

[01:42:20:10 - 01:42:22:06]
Speaker 1
 No, "Barbarium" is very different.

[01:42:22:06 - 01:42:24:06]
Speaker 2
 But I mean, that's the same.

[01:42:24:06 - 01:42:24:15]
Speaker 1
 Oh, yes.

[01:42:24:15 - 01:42:26:09]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, they double book an Airbnb.

[01:42:26:09 - 01:42:31:12]
Speaker 1
 That's not what it actually is, but that's how they start from the beginning.

[01:42:31:12 - 01:42:34:03]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, okay. But then,

[01:42:34:03 - 01:42:36:14]
Speaker 1
 any of that, whatever.

[01:42:37:19 - 01:42:41:05]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, that moment, fine. You wanna, oh, we're both double book.

[01:42:41:05 - 01:42:48:04]
Speaker 2
 I just can't imagine anyone being like, okay, well, we'll stay here at some of the other-- Never, I never. We'll figure something else out.

[01:42:48:04 - 01:42:53:14]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, like I could be in a tent in the woods somewhere and not be here with you guys that I don't know.

[01:42:53:14 - 01:42:55:03]
Speaker 2
 It's an unbelievable setup.

[01:42:55:03 - 01:43:05:10]
Speaker 1
 I mean, the end is fun and they really start getting the battles and they really start fighting. It's fun, but I have such a hard time with that.

[01:43:06:23 - 01:43:08:12]
Speaker 3
 It is an irritating genre.

[01:43:10:01 - 01:43:35:02]
Speaker 1
 I mean, like the guy steals the guy's wedding ring to propose to his girlfriend in front of him. Wow. And I'm like, you didn't just stand up and go, what the fuck are you doing on the wedding ring? I was gonna give to my, like, hopefully future wife here, you son of a bitch. Yeah. I have a huge problem with this and I just get bored with them very quickly.

[01:43:35:02 - 01:43:36:09]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, they're very frustrating.

[01:43:36:09 - 01:43:40:23]
Speaker 1
 Although all the people in it are really good. This stuff,

[01:43:42:05 - 01:43:47:19]
Speaker 1
 the story I don't like, if they do good stuff with it, these aren't poor performances, it's not poorly directed.

[01:43:49:16 - 01:43:52:15]
Speaker 1
 It's sort of, you remember how "Cube",

[01:43:53:19 - 01:44:10:11]
Speaker 1
 totally different film, but opens up with that incredibly violent scene and there's very little blood the rest of the movie, but that incredibly violent scene permeates the rest of the movie. That incredibly violent open scene just feels like, okay, we're done. Nothing like that is going to happen the rest of the movie took over.

[01:44:10:11 - 01:44:18:01]
Speaker 3
 That's such a bummer. It's like, we needed you to stay here for the first five minutes or say that we did it, but-- That

[01:44:18:01 - 01:44:22:20]
Speaker 2
 always seems like a studio note or a rewrite. We need something to happen.

[01:44:22:20 - 01:44:43:22]
Speaker 1
 We need a hook from the beginning. This feels like if you started watching horror movies in the last 10 to 15 years heavily, this probably is a very erotic movie, but if you've spent a lot of time watching over 80 horror movies, or even especially some of these movies, this is a very vanilla, or whatever.

[01:44:43:22 - 01:45:00:19]
Speaker 3
 I'd say it's funny too that you're talking about this and as far as, they're not even doing what's on TV because TV right now has that hockey show that I've heard so much about where it's just two dudes banging constantly and apparently it's super hyper-sexualized and everyone's like, fuck, if you thought Bridgerton was something, this is like--

[01:45:00:19 - 01:45:03:15]
Speaker 1
 Well, I'm talking, I'm not talking like-- Oh, just the sex.

[01:45:04:21 - 01:45:06:09]
Speaker 1
 I'm talking about ABC, CBS,

[01:45:06:09 - 01:45:10:03]
Speaker 3
 NBC kind of stuff. Gotcha, understood.

[01:45:11:17 - 01:45:14:22]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, because I just started watching the beauty on FX.

[01:45:14:22 - 01:45:15:11]
Speaker 3
 Oh yeah.

[01:45:15:11 - 01:45:29:07]
Speaker 2
 And I was like, wow, apparently if you're not ABC, NBC, CBS, and Fox, you can say and show whatever you want. Oh, okay. This is a series about people fucking it.

[01:45:29:07 - 01:45:31:15]
Speaker 1
 Yeah. It's like, I've been watching Spartacus.

[01:45:32:16 - 01:45:38:15]
Speaker 1
 And yeah, that one, I love the tagline for stars. We're all adults here.

[01:45:38:15 - 01:45:47:12]
Speaker 2
 We're all adults here, that's my favorite thing. Like, you know, adult content, nudity, gore, violence, all this stuff, we're all adults here.

[01:45:49:07 - 01:45:49:08]
 (Laughing)

[01:45:49:08 - 01:45:58:00]
Speaker 1
 I was surprised. Wow, that's good. Kind of like this film where you can tell there's a filmmaker holding back because of the way the world is right now in making movies.

[01:45:58:00 - 01:45:58:10]
Speaker 4
 Yeah.

[01:45:58:10 - 01:46:05:23]
Speaker 1
 People in Spartacus going, this is Spartacus. We're doing it the same way as on shows where 15 years ago, whatever that was.

[01:46:05:23 - 01:46:23:22]
Speaker 2
 But, so amazing the size of those classic dogs. Jesus, man. Holy crap. Forearm, the guy said, got a forearm swinging there. I'm just like, is this a practical effect or is this a digital effect? I don't know that you're selling this show to me at all. He gets to draw the dog.

[01:46:23:22 - 01:46:25:15]
Speaker 1
 Use that in the gladiator.

[01:46:25:15 - 01:46:27:19]
Speaker 3
 How do you put that on your CV?

[01:46:27:19 - 01:46:29:05]
 (Laughing)

[01:46:29:05 - 01:46:31:05]
Speaker 2
 I still am far away.

[01:46:31:05 - 01:46:32:03]
Speaker 4
 Oh my God.

[01:46:32:03 - 01:46:34:18]
Speaker 2
 I'm getting broke with it. Oh my God. Yeah.

[01:46:36:07 - 01:46:37:00]
Speaker 2
 One of my favorite shows.

[01:46:40:07 - 01:46:42:10]
Speaker 2
 Vanessa, we're having a viewing party of it after this.

[01:46:42:10 - 01:46:44:04]
 (Laughing)

[01:46:44:04 - 01:46:54:13]
Speaker 1
 But in the end, my main problem with "Bold Lake" isn't that, because I don't care about that. If the content of the movie is good, whatever they do graphically doesn't matter. But this is just that story again. Bummer.

[01:46:54:13 - 01:46:56:13]
Speaker 3
 That's so, such a bummer.

[01:46:56:13 - 01:47:00:17]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, that is surprising have been reading these great reviews for it.

[01:47:00:17 - 01:47:04:02]
Speaker 1
 So that's a lot works, but if you don't like that,

[01:47:05:06 - 01:47:14:15]
Speaker 1
 it's like, you know what, I never liked This conceit. You're not gonna like a romantic, even one as good as "Leapism's In" or whatever, you're still looking like it.

[01:47:14:15 - 01:47:19:03]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, yeah. Wow, okay. A lot of movies not to see.

[01:47:19:03 - 01:47:22:20]
Speaker 2
 You didn't get to talk about "Star Trek," but we'll save that for next time.

[01:47:22:20 - 01:47:26:17]
Speaker 3
 Yes, so we will talk about "Star Trek," "Star Fleet Academy" in the future.

[01:47:27:23 - 01:47:32:16]
Speaker 2
 Okay, why don't we take a little break and then when we come back, we are talking about "On the Day."

[01:47:34:07 - 01:47:35:07]
Speaker 2
 You're lucky I'm on the day.

[01:47:35:07 - 01:47:36:12]
 (Laughing)

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 (Music)

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 (Music)

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Speaker 18
 The music you love is part of your life.

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Speaker 18
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Speaker 18
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Speaker 18
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Speaker 16
 Rock, me, amadeus Und mit...

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Speaker 17
 Abadeus, Abadeus, Abadeus, Abadeus Komm'

[01:48:33:06 - 01:48:34:23]
Speaker 16
 und rock'n'roll, me, amadeus

[01:48:34:23 - 01:48:44:11]
Speaker 17
 Abadeus, Abadeus, Abadeus, Abadeus Es

[01:48:44:11 - 01:48:48:04]
 (Music)

[01:48:48:04 - 01:49:03:06]
Speaker 2
 And we are back, Eric. We are still in our thing, and we're talking about one film, all of us, and you've had a bunch of film. I'm gonna give you five minutes.

[01:49:05:02 - 01:49:05:02]
 (Laughing)

[01:49:05:02 - 01:49:07:02]
Speaker 4
 All right, short episode again.

[01:49:07:02 - 01:49:10:00]
Speaker 3
 Easy to fit the whole thing in there, I'm sure.

[01:49:12:00 - 01:49:12:18]
Speaker 1
 Amadeus,

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 (Music)

[01:49:17:21 - 01:49:19:08]
Speaker 11
 Here was my idol.

[01:49:21:04 - 01:49:21:07]
 (Music)

[01:49:21:07 - 01:49:27:11]
Speaker 11
 Wolfgang Amadeus Wützer. The man you accuse yourself of killing. Is it true?

[01:49:29:05 - 01:49:29:10]
 (Music)

[01:49:29:10 - 01:49:39:00]
Speaker 11
 I was the most famous composer in Europe until he came. This man had written his first concerto at the age of four. He was playing music for kings.

[01:49:39:00 - 01:49:49:11]
Speaker 12
 Here is our court composer Maestro Salieri. Do you know I actually composed some variations on a melody of yours? Well, I'm flattered. Funny little tune, but he yielded some good things.

[01:49:49:11 - 01:49:51:12]
 (Laughter)

[01:49:51:12 - 01:49:54:02]
Speaker 13
 Is talent like that written on the face?

[01:49:54:02 - 01:49:58:12]
Speaker 14
 Why would God choose an obscene child to be his instrument?

[01:50:00:01 - 01:50:01:02]
 (Laughter)

[01:50:01:02 - 01:50:06:03]
Speaker 15
 Fra Mozart? I've brought you some samples of his work so that he can be considered for the royal appointment.

[01:50:06:03 - 01:50:07:21]
 (Music)

[01:50:07:21 - 01:50:13:03]
Speaker 13
 A standard who's beyond belief. These were first and only drafts of music.

[01:50:14:17 - 01:50:17:04]
Speaker 13
 Here I was the very voice of God.

[01:50:18:21 - 01:50:22:22]
Speaker 14
 Manus began in me. I began to know violent thoughts.

[01:50:22:22 - 01:50:24:20]
Speaker 11
 I must achieve his death.

[01:50:26:22 - 01:50:28:09]
Speaker 15
 I think you really are going mad.

[01:50:30:02 - 01:50:32:11]
Speaker 15
 He just sits there writing and writing.

[01:50:32:11 - 01:50:38:13]
Speaker 14
 For the first time in my life, I began to see away. I could finally triumph over God.

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Speaker 12
 Do you believe in it? What? Fire which never dies, burning me forever.

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Speaker 14
 Oh, yes.

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 (Music) (Laughter)

[01:51:09:12 - 01:51:10:13]
Speaker 1
 1984.

[01:51:13:16 - 01:51:29:04]
Speaker 1
 The one I chose to watch was a theatrical version. I'll get into that a lot more later. This is Rachel, this is original. This was directed by Milos Forman. One flew over the kookas in the ass, Hare, People versus Larry Flint, very accomplished director. Written by Peter Shafer,

[01:51:30:11 - 01:51:49:06]
Speaker 1
 Equus, Amadeus, Amadeus Stageplays and other adaptions. He does not have a large-- Yeah. Come on. Back when, a check writer, Zeddnick Mahler, was uncredited but was involved largely in patterning time.

[01:51:51:06 - 01:51:52:20]
Speaker 1
 Wait, Mozart was handled.

[01:51:53:21 - 01:52:02:19]
Speaker 1
 Actor, lead actor, F. Murray Abraham, played Salieri and you've seen him in something. Scarface, all the president's men, the name of the rose,

[01:52:03:22 - 01:52:10:12]
Speaker 1
 137 sum of credits, Tom Hulks played Amadeus. He's also been in Fearless, Parenthood.

[01:52:11:14 - 01:52:16:07]
Speaker 1
 One of his early roles was National Anthem's Animal House. Yep, wow. And Murder in Mississippi.

[01:52:17:18 - 01:52:26:20]
Speaker 1
 Elizabeth Baradage, who has 62 episodes of Texas, she's in The Fun House and 84 episodes of the John Larrickette Show.

[01:52:26:20 - 01:52:30:10]
Speaker 2
 It's largely TV. I think I knew there was a John Larrickette Show.

[01:52:30:10 - 01:52:33:04]
Speaker 3
 I know, it's like, wait a minute. A lot of episodes. I don't think I saw that one.

[01:52:33:04 - 01:52:47:12]
Speaker 1
 And Jeffrey Jones plays the emperor, who is just glorious. He's so good. You know him best as Ferris Bueller's principal or Beetlejuice, kind of hard to recognize in this movie until he gets a point. Did you think so?

[01:52:49:06 - 01:52:49:17]
Speaker 1
 And then,

[01:52:52:18 - 01:52:57:01]
Speaker 1
 get to that later. Anyway, so, movie starts off with

[01:52:58:21 - 01:53:14:05]
Speaker 1
 couple guys calling out to Sully area, trying to get his attention, can't figure out why he's not answering them, and break into the room and see that Sully area is trying to cut his own throat, that's right. And then the music cue hits, I hear, right now,

[01:53:16:07 - 01:53:19:05]
Speaker 1
 and we're off and running. I'm like, fuck, okay.

[01:53:19:05 - 01:53:20:21]
 (Laughs)

[01:53:20:21 - 01:53:40:22]
Speaker 1
 The story, the main story, starts pretty early. As we learn, Sully area is now in a sanicide, which is uncomfortable. That is uncomfortable shots. He's, of course, in the, I've got a little bit more money part of it, as opposed to the guys in cages on the floor and stuff like that.

[01:53:42:16 - 01:53:42:21]
Speaker 1
 The,

[01:53:44:10 - 01:53:53:05]
Speaker 1
 he is a, he was at his time a musical, he was one of the, I mean, for real, was one of the best known composers in Europe at that time.

[01:53:55:04 - 01:54:29:07]
Speaker 1
 And he's going to tell his tale to the priest who shows up. And establishing the style of the two people is done so simply and so brilliantly. Sully area plays a piece of music. It's like, oh, you're an Italian priest, you must know music well. He plays a little bit of, I'm sorry, I don't know that one. And then he plays something else. We all recognize it. The priest immediately recognize it. And he's like, oh, that's wonderful. I didn't know you wrote that. It's like, that was the creature.

[01:54:31:13 - 01:54:36:07]
Speaker 1
 His jealousy of Amadeus kicks in and the movie starts rolling.

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Speaker 1
 Let's see, there's a lot,

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Speaker 1
 this isn't the kind of movie there where you're like, well, then this happens and this happens and this happens, this isn't a movie that unfolds as it goes along. And he starts off by describing his life and learning about who Mozart was because he loved music and his father wouldn't let him play music. And he became very religious when he felt God killed his dad because his dad was keeping him from learning music.

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Speaker 1
 And after that, the next thing you see, he is the court composer for the emperor. So he's a high level music guy. It was heard about Mozart but never met him. So he plays a little game of wondering what Mozart's going to be, what kind of a person will he be? And in that time he sees this crude little man running around with a barely on woman's dress and being very crude and crass, but she obviously is enjoying it. She's not having a problem with the way he's acting. But Salieri's like, "This guy sucks." And his music starts to get played and Amadeus stops and goes, "My music." And he goes out to conduct what has already been started because he was the composer for, I think, the pope or a high religious leader, I don't think it's actually the pope.

[01:56:04:16 - 01:56:17:07]
Speaker 1
 And made the guy start with that. That's when Salieri realizes that, "Oh my God, "God put all this talent in this crude crass little man "with the weird ass giggle."

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 (Laughing)

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Speaker 1
 You know, if you had a question or comment, jump in, what's going on. But a side note here, the scene shortly after that, there's a scene where Salieri starts to describe Mozart's music and he's looking at it and he's describing it to the priest. And he's saying music like no music has ever been finished and perfect and single opal comes in and all this stuff. And my dad was a massive classical music lover. He used to go to lunch with a guy who would bring in a cassette and play, okay, name what that was. And my dad could do that. Wow. Incredibly knowledgeable. And it helped me understand my dad a little better, which was really cool. And made the movie, because I saw this in the theater in 84 with my parents, and it made the movie a lot more engrossing for me. They pulled in a 14 year old kid, probably 13, 14, when it came out, who probably would have been, oh, this is fun. But it just, okay, this is a new level for watching this scene.

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Speaker 2
 I loved that scene because as he's making the sound with his voice, the music starts playing very lightly and he describes the oboe coming in and all that. And I was like, oh, this is beautiful. This is lovely.

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Speaker 1
 The priest over there going.

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Speaker 2
 Yeah,

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Speaker 2
 the priest through most of this is just kind of looking at him. And I love that he's just more and more disappointed with this as, because Sulliary is basically giving a confession. And it is just pointing out what a shitty little human he is, how jealous he is. Sulliary, yeah. And the things that he's doing, and then it'll cut to the priest and he'll be like.

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 (Laughs)

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Speaker 2
 I don't think you realize what this makes you sound like. You're very proud of this.

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Speaker 3
 Yeah, and he definitely has a great, this priest who's kind of a young guy, just sort of looks horrified, like he's a little out of his depth with this particular person where he's like, wait, are we still doing a confession right now? Or are you bragging?

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Speaker 3
 Yeah.

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Speaker 1
 Great, another good scene that's showing the difference between the two of these guys as composers is the emperor wants to meet Mozart. So Sulliary writes a march to welcome him. Yes. And the emperor who is not good at music, he says he loves music, but he has no ear at all, as they say, tries to play it, and slowly re-own it.

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Speaker 1
 And cute little moments I love in this film, like where he walks in, Mozart doesn't know who the emperor is, because that court thing is interesting.

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Speaker 2
 Is he the emperor, or just, I thought he was the king?

[01:59:08:10 - 01:59:10:15]
Speaker 1
 They called him the emperor. They did, Mozart.

[01:59:11:15 - 01:59:15:09]
Speaker 1
 He was a kind of king, he was definitely royalty. Right.

[01:59:16:20 - 01:59:23:11]
Speaker 1
 And then, but he bows to the wrong guy. Right. Because he didn't think the guy who's in there playing the piano poorly would be.

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 (Laughs)

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Speaker 2
 Yes, and that is such a great scene. While he's playing it poorly, Salieri's standing behind him. It's fine, it's fine. And he's like, can I play it for him? And you can hear him. I

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Speaker 2
 be honored, you know,

[01:59:39:23 - 01:59:45:14]
Speaker 2
 Well, you're just like, oh, this was his moment to kind of shine, although obviously it would not have.

[01:59:45:14 - 01:59:58:18]
Speaker 1
 It would not have mattered. And then that's when Mozart kind of embarrasses him in front of, got the director of the national opera, you've got the music guys all in there. Yeah, that's right. And Mozart, as he's leaving,

[01:59:59:22 - 02:00:19:12]
Speaker 1
 ever hands him the piece of music, like, would you like this? I don't know, I've got it from one hearing alone, prove it. And then he starts to play it and well, this doesn't quite work here, does it? And he reworks the whole thing and all the people around watching, this is not getting lost on anyone in this room.

[02:00:19:12 - 02:00:25:20]
Speaker 3
 But he's so talented and so much more talented, something that took somebody all night long to write. This guy can--

[02:00:25:20 - 02:00:34:14]
Speaker 2
 Each round he plays it, he's adding more and more flourishes to it. You know, by the end, it's like, well, this is beautiful. It really was pretty simple at the beginning.

[02:00:34:14 - 02:00:36:00]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, for sure.

[02:00:36:00 - 02:00:37:15]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, with his laugh.

[02:00:40:14 - 02:00:55:12]
Speaker 1
 He does, he gets commissioned to do an opera and it performs and he does, one of the operas, there's lots of notes, I think, up and down the scales.

[02:00:56:18 - 02:01:04:22]
Speaker 1
 Which, you know, unless you're a real lover of music, probably gets a little slow and there's a scene following that where he comes up and he comes up and says,

[02:01:06:13 - 02:01:08:23]
Speaker 1
 "Too many notes." Which means nothing.

[02:01:10:06 - 02:01:16:07]
Speaker 1
 And the arrogance of Mozart comes nicely through that too where he says, "Well, what note should I cut?"

[02:01:16:07 - 02:01:16:23]
Speaker 2
 Yeah.

[02:01:18:04 - 02:01:32:01]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, that's a really nice scene too because even the emperor, when he doesn't come up with the too many notes, he's like, "There's just something about this that I didn't love." And then I think it was one of his-- Guys.

[02:01:33:02 - 02:01:40:05]
Speaker 2
 Too many notes. He's like, "Yes, there were too many notes." It's like, you know, yeah, this would have to drive an artist insane.

[02:01:41:12 - 02:01:55:05]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, but it's also like, yeah, Mozart should have said at that point, "Okay, cool, I'll work on it." Instead of being like, "I'm gonna get my head chopped off. I'm just gonna go ahead in front of all these dudes to question this royal guy."

[02:01:57:06 - 02:02:02:00]
Speaker 2
 Meanwhile, Salieri is also pissed because he's in love with the woman who he has put in the opera.

[02:02:02:00 - 02:02:02:12]
Speaker 4
 That's right.

[02:02:02:12 - 02:02:12:20]
Speaker 2
 And it's very clear that Mozart has bedded her when Mozart's fiance suddenly shows up and the opera singer looks very upset.

[02:02:12:20 - 02:02:18:08]
Speaker 1
 That's actually one of the big differences with theatrical and the director's cut.

[02:02:19:13 - 02:02:36:20]
Speaker 1
 That's all there. It's not hard to figure out what's happening, but apparently there's another scene afterwards, or there is another scene afterwards, longer version, where the two of them go to her dressing room, and then they just pound that in, but that's what happened. It was completely unnecessary.

[02:02:36:20 - 02:02:37:19]
Speaker 2
 Yeah.

[02:02:37:19 - 02:02:38:04]
Speaker 1
 Yeah.

[02:02:38:04 - 02:02:39:17]
Speaker 2
 You gotta catch up very easily. Yeah.

[02:02:43:06 - 02:03:08:12]
Speaker 1
 Strong relationship that's not played up too heavily early on, but builds as it going on is Mozart and his father. Right. Yeah. He's a hard time overbearing father who took him as like an eight year old to perform blindfolded in front of royalty and priests and things. So he's obviously the overbearing sports dad of the time.

[02:03:08:12 - 02:03:35:03]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, and I think what's most interesting about his relationship with his father is how desperate he is for his approval and how he instantly takes that role of like little boy trying to make his father happy every time he's around, which I thought was really interesting because on a lot of these sorts of films, you'd get like, "Oh, get out of here, dad," or "I know what I'm doing." And so he's like, "Papa, what would you like? "Here, what would you like to eat?" He wants to please him so badly, yeah.

[02:03:35:03 - 02:03:55:02]
Speaker 1
 The great moment, and this is one of those, "Shit, I should verify that," and then I forgot to, but when Mozart's wife, a soliary kind of screws with Mozart a little bit. One man wants to hire him as a teacher of a young mother royal.

[02:03:56:20 - 02:03:59:07]
Speaker 1
 It's always like, "Don't do that. "Make an audition."

[02:04:00:11 - 02:04:05:15]
Speaker 1
 Well, not. So his wife brings his work to soliary to consider it.

[02:04:06:17 - 02:04:20:21]
Speaker 1
 And as he's looking through it, she's like, "I have to have those back. "Those are all originals." And he's looking through it, it's like, "There's no notes. "There's no changes." Yeah, that's what it is. Like written down, like just taking dictation. And it's like,

[02:04:21:21 - 02:04:32:13]
Speaker 1
 yeah, that which further scrunches soliary down how much more talented Mozart is than he is.

[02:04:33:19 - 02:04:47:04]
Speaker 1
 The father does eventually show up unannounced and not too impressed that he's gotten married without asking his dad for any permission,

[02:04:48:08 - 02:05:13:20]
Speaker 1
 but they set up a major portion of the downfall of Mozart with this scene where he goes, we must go to a party. Party, dad loves parties. So they go to a costume party. And he wears a very distinct black robe with the-- Devil head thing. Drama horror of each side, or drama humor acting masks.

[02:05:16:23 - 02:05:26:13]
Speaker 1
 And humiliates soliary at that same thing by imitating him and then pretending to fart at the end.

[02:05:28:19 - 02:05:40:19]
Speaker 1
 And so soliary takes that mask that Raskin realizes what he's going to do. He is going to hire Mozart to write his death, a requiem,

[02:05:41:23 - 02:05:43:17]
Speaker 1
 and then take the,

[02:05:44:21 - 02:05:46:03]
Speaker 1
 pretend that he wrote it for his

[02:05:46:03 - 02:05:50:03]
Speaker 3
 different-- Oh, that's what's going on. I was so confused, okay.

[02:05:50:03 - 02:05:55:21]
Speaker 1
 He says that when he's confessing to the priest. He says that and then he says, but then how does one just kill a person?

[02:05:55:21 - 02:06:19:08]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, no, because I knew he said he wanted to write the thing that would go at his funeral. And then the next shot, I was like, "Oh, are we at his funeral?" And it was like a little confusing in my brain. And then all of a sudden it's like, "Oh no, and he's still alive. And wait, he's making him write some stuff. I guess he's just going to exhaust him to death, is the plan.

[02:06:19:08 - 02:06:25:20]
Speaker 1
 That's what it ends up kind of being, because he couldn't necessarily come up with it. He doesn't necessarily come up with a way to kill him.

[02:06:25:20 - 02:06:31:00]
Speaker 3
 Okay, I was trying to, I was like, was this the plan? Was the plan to just make him very tired?

[02:06:31:00 - 02:06:51:08]
Speaker 1
 No, the part of the problem that happens in the movie is Mozart collapses, he's falling down. I don't mean physically. He starts to fall apart mentally, running out of money. He's got nothing to do, he doesn't know. Salieri is working behind the scenes to make sure his plays figure out, if it's a figure out, doesn't play

[02:06:51:08 - 02:06:53:08]
Speaker 3
 like a shittle.

[02:06:53:08 - 02:06:59:03]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, and stopping him from getting that tutoring job, I mean, that would have changed everything for Mozart.

[02:07:01:02 - 02:07:14:17]
Speaker 1
 Yeah. Oh, Don Giovanni was the one that he, he saw to it that, I only had five performances, but in secret I went to every one of them. That is actually where he forms the plan of the dad, because he realizes the--

[02:07:14:17 - 02:07:18:00]
Speaker 3
 The play is about that, when his dad's past.

[02:07:20:04 - 02:08:02:09]
Speaker 1
 Don Giovanni is his dad being confronted again. And he falls, as it were, where he's no longer doing the national operas, doing like pubs for the people who would love his work, granted, love it. And there's even a moment where he collapses during the performance and they bring him the money for the half the house, but Salieri pretends that it's-- The payment. The requiem guy. Yeah. And that might have been enough to uplift him, if you'd known his play had actually been truly successful,

[02:08:03:18 - 02:08:04:10]
Speaker 1
 or his opera,

[02:08:05:18 - 02:08:09:23]
Speaker 1
 which leads to one of the great film scenes,

[02:08:11:02 - 02:08:35:01]
Speaker 1
 period, I think. The two of them went up, Almeida is dying, and Salieri is taking dictation for him. And the back and forth between them, the way it's structured, the acting, the sound, the use of the music, the way the music builds as he's doing it, and Salieri not understanding what Mozart wants him to do.

[02:08:35:01 - 02:08:37:02]
Speaker 2
 Trying to just keep up with-- Yeah.

[02:08:37:02 - 02:08:51:05]
Speaker 3
 Yeah. Basically-- And then he'll like click in in moments and you can see that like pure euphoria in him, where he's like, "I'm a part of this thing "I've been chasing." Even if it's just to scribe it, like I get it and then falling back out and then getting back in and--

[02:08:51:05 - 02:08:52:12]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, in the presence of genius.

[02:08:52:12 - 02:09:00:20]
Speaker 3
 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, in the participation of it. And then the final straw.

[02:09:00:20 - 02:09:10:11]
Speaker 1
 Well, then he keeps wanting to stop and Salieri's, "I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine." Yeah. And his wife who had left him to come back the next morning and was not happy to see Salieri.

[02:09:11:13 - 02:09:24:12]
Speaker 1
 There's a cut scene from the director's thing that builds that up a little bit more, but I didn't feel it was completely unwarranted. She hadn't been a fan of his for a while.

[02:09:24:12 - 02:09:33:10]
Speaker 3
 Okay, yeah, because in there I was like, "I don't know how she even knows "or cares about him that much." Like, I'm a little surprised that she cares so much that he's there.

[02:09:33:10 - 02:09:43:14]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, well, she brought the work to him. Right. And he basically walked out on saying anything to him. Oh, I guess so. And then she knows that he did not help.

[02:09:43:14 - 02:09:44:23]
Speaker 3
 Oh, I see.

[02:09:44:23 - 02:09:45:23]
Speaker 1
 Not at all.

[02:09:45:23 - 02:09:51:01]
Speaker 2
 And then I read in that cut scene, he makes some kind of sexual advance towards her.

[02:09:51:01 - 02:09:51:21]
Speaker 4
 Oh, okay.

[02:09:51:21 - 02:09:56:05]
Speaker 2
 And so that would have made it very apparent why she doesn't want him.

[02:09:56:05 - 02:09:59:13]
Speaker 1
 Oh, okay, gotcha. The cut scene is he says,

[02:10:01:17 - 02:10:03:01]
Speaker 1
 "Come back later tonight."

[02:10:04:07 - 02:10:10:19]
Speaker 1
 And then he's implying what he's going to do. And then the cut scene is she shows up, starts to disrobe,

[02:10:11:22 - 02:10:26:04]
Speaker 1
 and the soon as she's exposed, he calls in one of the doorman or whatever, dismiss her and get her out of that. Yeah. It's one of the better cut scenes, but at the same time it's not

[02:10:26:04 - 02:10:41:12]
Speaker 3
 entirely necessary. Yeah, it's not entirely necessary, but it would have been a little, definitely would have been a little bit helpful in that moment. She just wants her husband, she has a bad feeling and she wants to hang out with her husband and she's very mad that this rando guy is here. But yeah.

[02:10:41:12 - 02:10:46:16]
Speaker 1
 And then Mozart dies after coming home

[02:10:46:16 - 02:10:48:14]
Speaker 1
 did read an interesting thing about the grave.

[02:10:48:14 - 02:10:50:04]
Speaker 3
 The Popper's funeral.

[02:10:50:04 - 02:10:51:04]
Speaker 1
 It's not a Popper's grave.

[02:10:51:04 - 02:10:51:14]
Speaker 3
 It's not?

[02:10:51:14 - 02:11:01:06]
Speaker 1
 No, it's a middle class for that time period were buried in mass graves. What? Where they had a certain amount of money, but not necessarily enough.

[02:11:02:07 - 02:11:05:01]
Speaker 1
 So that was not a Popper's grave technically.

[02:11:05:01 - 02:11:11:21]
Speaker 3
 So what are they, are they pouring lime on him? Or what are they, okay. I wasn't sure if it was some sort of smelling thing.

[02:11:11:21 - 02:11:15:03]
Speaker 2
 He gets put into a casket and then put into a wagon.

[02:11:15:03 - 02:11:23:23]
Speaker 3
 And then driven out. And you're like, why is the whole, why is everybody stood at the gates and not going with it? And then you realize, yeah, when they get to the grave.

[02:11:23:23 - 02:11:30:20]
Speaker 2
 It has a swinging bottom and they just tip it and dump his body in with, you know, four or five other bodies.

[02:11:31:21 - 02:11:35:10]
Speaker 2
 And then they put the casket back in, I guess, to be reused.

[02:11:35:10 - 02:11:50:08]
Speaker 1
 And the wagon goes off. Because I specifically remember going, why, and I wanted to look up, why is he buried in a Popper's grave? It seems like that was actually historically accurate to people who had a certain amount of money. Yeah.

[02:11:50:08 - 02:12:08:00]
Speaker 3
 And I assume that Mozart actually was buried in something along those lines in real life. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I wasn't sure how much of, I mean, I have a lot of questions for you, but I wasn't sure how much of this is based on truth or like, did these two guys even know each other? They didn't know each other.

[02:12:09:00 - 02:12:14:08]
Speaker 1
 antagonistic nature probably was not this extreme. Yeah. There was

[02:12:14:08 - 02:12:27:02]
Speaker 1
 some jealousy, but they worked together. They composed something together, probably isn't very good, but they did compose something together. That was not what's in the movie. Sure.

[02:12:28:15 - 02:12:30:19]
Speaker 1
 Historically, nobody thinks he has anything to do with his death.

[02:12:31:20 - 02:12:37:18]
Speaker 3
 Is this story, like was this crafted just for this movie or was it a play before this movie? It was a play first. Okay.

[02:12:37:18 - 02:12:51:17]
Speaker 1
 And we both went to see the play and he's like, I don't like anything that's based, all there's all these boring movies being made about classical composers. Yeah. Everyone wants to do it because it's easy and they're long ago, you can mess up the story and everything boring and dumb.

[02:12:53:03 - 02:13:10:11]
Speaker 1
 And he was the writer, the writer who also wrote the original play, Peter said, come watch the play, see what you think. And he watched it and he said, if the second half is good as the first half, I will make this into a movie. And he thought the second half was pretty good. So he ended up,

[02:13:10:11 - 02:13:32:04]
Speaker 2
 you know, I'm moving. So as a first time view, I liked this. I thought it was overly long, but I liked it. And then I got angry because I liked it enough to start going, huh, is this how this happened? Is this how this happened? And then it turns out like almost none of this is real. And I was like, God damn it.

[02:13:32:04 - 02:13:32:23]
 (Laughing)

[02:13:32:23 - 02:13:33:08]
Speaker 3
 Yeah.

[02:13:34:21 - 02:13:45:02]
Speaker 1
 The music obviously is real. And the him being a prodigy and child prodigy and playing. A lot of Mozart's life is real, but the beats of the story and things like that.

[02:13:45:02 - 02:13:46:03]
Speaker 2
 All the details are.

[02:13:47:04 - 02:14:06:03]
Speaker 2
 Right, I guess I was, the whole film is the rivalry between these guys. The imagined rivalry on "Solei Air" and to find out that they most likely were, if not friends, friendly towards each other was like, oh my God, I played this. I didn't do the lie.

[02:14:06:03 - 02:14:11:04]
Speaker 1
 There's a play, Alexander Kushkin wrote a play in 1830.

[02:14:12:15 - 02:14:23:22]
Speaker 1
 I've invented this. The idea that Mozart and "Solei Air" were against each other. In this one, he actually murders Mozart on stage. Oh, wow. And kills him directly. Wow.

[02:14:24:23 - 02:14:32:21]
Speaker 1
 Which was also made later into an opera in 1897 and then a silent film in 1914.

[02:14:32:21 - 02:14:36:22]
Speaker 3
 Oh. So there is a-- It's like a history of this idea.

[02:14:36:22 - 02:14:40:08]
Speaker 1
 The history of it, if not a historical accuracy.

[02:14:41:05 - 02:15:15:17]
Speaker 3
 from your interpretation of, I'm assuming you've seen this movie so, so many times. It struck me as so strange that Mozart seemed so genuine a lot of the time. He just didn't have a filter on and he went from making fun of "Solei Air" but then in other moments he'd be like, your opinion matters so much to me and I really respect you or I really value you. And it's like, does he actually dislike him? Greatly or does he not care about him or does he actually like him? I couldn't understand what-- I think there's some

[02:15:15:17 - 02:15:17:05]
Speaker 1
 changes throughout the film.

[02:15:17:05 - 02:15:19:19]
Speaker 2
 I think-- Has this ever several years?

[02:15:19:19 - 02:15:23:09]
Speaker 1
 Yeah. Yeah, I think that is because they do a lot of the operas.

[02:15:24:15 - 02:15:28:06]
Speaker 1
 I think at times it's, he sees "Solei Air" as a tool

[02:15:29:07 - 02:15:53:09]
Speaker 1
 because he's got access to the people that are interfering with his ability to like the ballet segment where the director tears out the music and he goes to "Solei Air" thinking he'll help. And the way it works out, it looks like he helped him. But he didn't, it was just by chance. So that's a moment then where Mozart probably starts to like him again and then other things happen.

[02:15:55:15 - 02:16:06:08]
Speaker 1
 I would imagine as the characters are played in the movie, "Solei Air" would kind of be a fuddy-duddy for Mozart. For Mozart's kind of a party crazy guy and "Solei Air" is just a--

[02:16:06:08 - 02:16:20:02]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, he's like the straight man in the room at any given time. And then, yeah, I think the thing that I found really compelling was certainly like this imagined, like you said, rivalry where "Solei Air"

[02:16:21:07 - 02:16:48:16]
Speaker 3
 thinks he is destroying and thinks he's killed Mozart but he's actually had not that much to really truly do with it. Mozart spent his own money. He chose to marry the way he did. He chose to exhaust himself the way he did. Maybe he could have still tutored the girl by bringing his own work. He could have gotten that job. He could have, there are multiple times he could have saved himself. So really he is his own destruction.

[02:16:48:16 - 02:17:00:19]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, that actually brings me to one of my least favorite scene in "The Director's Guide" where he shows up at somebody's house. I don't remember if it's the girl that was originally, he was kind of tutor.

[02:17:02:05 - 02:17:02:23]
Speaker 1
 And basically,

[02:17:04:04 - 02:17:24:05]
Speaker 1
 bakes to be allowed to teach. And like, it's so, and it's late in the movie. Oh. And like, this is so out of rhythm of everything they've created in this character. Only caring about his work. Trying to figure out how to make that the way he does everything.

[02:17:24:05 - 02:17:30:13]
Speaker 2
 Is it just supposed to show how desperate he's finally become? Because they're almost penniless at the end.

[02:17:30:13 - 02:17:40:14]
Speaker 1
 Yeah. I think if she had shown up and tried to get those people higher than his wife, that probably would have worked better. But I think he is so far along

[02:17:40:14 - 02:17:53:19]
Speaker 3
 at that point. He just never seems to care. Like he just never, ever cares. He wants that crowd. Yep. He wants to, I mean, he wants his wife to be so concerned that she falls asleep at the table so he can sneak out and party

[02:17:54:20 - 02:18:13:16]
Speaker 3
 while he's still sick and exhausted and then go back. Like, it seems like his motivations are, you know, he doesn't see reality where his wife, who at the beginning did not slowly has to become embedded in keeping their family going. So, yeah.

[02:18:13:16 - 02:18:23:15]
Speaker 1
 The speaking of the director's cut, it's very interesting because I thought one thing was completely true, but the more I read, it's actually almost an unknown.

[02:18:24:15 - 02:18:59:07]
Speaker 1
 There's lots of stuff where Milos was saying he didn't like it at all. He had problems with certain things that are added. And then there's other things like, maybe somebody paid him so he could be in this making up and he'd talk nicely about the director's cut, which is, I got no problem with. But, or maybe he liked it. Where he talks about how he enjoys being able to showcase the performances of the people he wasn't able to show, which that sounds reasonable. I'm going, "Make those extra, "put those extra scenes as extra as I'm near. "Laserdisc or whatever at the time."

[02:19:01:05 - 02:19:04:17]
Speaker 1
 But there's other things, there's other people that claim he loved

[02:19:05:23 - 02:19:09:05]
Speaker 1
 what the director's cut and thought it was a great choice to make the changes.

[02:19:11:08 - 02:19:24:00]
Speaker 1
 I am sure it's somewhere in the middle. Yeah. I'm sure he probably liked aspects of it. Other complaints that had, and one of the ones I had with the, more than the extra scenes, it's 20 some odd minutes longer

[02:19:25:15 - 02:19:33:00]
Speaker 1
 and it's re-edited. Yeah. It has sharper edges. It doesn't flow nearly as well as the theatrical version.

[02:19:34:21 - 02:19:43:13]
Speaker 1
 Where this one's long, if you dive in, it's taking you along at least. This one had moments where the director's cut. I watched it a few years ago.

[02:19:45:04 - 02:19:52:14]
Speaker 1
 Wow, I guess maybe I don't like this movie that much more. Wow. Then watching the theatrical again. No, no, this is, I love this.

[02:19:53:18 - 02:19:58:00]
Speaker 1
 And I'm curious, so you enjoyed this one more than the first time you watched it?

[02:19:58:00 - 02:20:52:10]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, the first time I watched it, I remember being extremely bored and being irritated so hard by Mozart and just being like, this movie fucking sucks. Why do people think this is funny? I bet you saw the director's cut. I'm sure I did, because I would have watched it on either a DVD or a VHS. I didn't see it in theaters and then watching it this time, I was definitely, mostly I was struck with how beautiful it is. And it is literally a film embodiment of why you should do production design. Like every shot is so beautiful. It has so much scope, like filming inside of an actual venue, seeing the candlelight off in the distance, seeing the seating arrangement, seeing like you just are like, man, you can't reproduce this in a volume. It's just so dynamic and gorgeous and textured.

[02:20:53:11 - 02:21:14:16]
Speaker 3
 So that was the thing that really struck me. I think story-wise there's still some stuff for me that doesn't click, but I'm not like always a, classical music isn't my Jimmy Jam, but as much as I appreciate that it's beautiful, I'm also like, I don't care that much about, you know, this historic time.

[02:21:14:16 - 02:21:20:18]
Speaker 1
 It's funny because talking about my dad earlier, it just did not lead me to a love of like in classic music. It lead me to a love like in Mozart.

[02:21:20:18 - 02:21:22:08]
Speaker 3
 That's so crazy, yeah.

[02:21:22:08 - 02:21:42:03]
Speaker 1
 Not really Beethoven or Bach or any of the others. And that's just because, well, I had this, and then of course I got the soundtracks for it. There was a Backward Laserdisc, put out those $110 whatever Bach sets, I picked that up and had these special versions and all that shit. So that music I've heard a lot.

[02:21:43:10 - 02:21:44:11]
Speaker 1
 Oh, okay.

[02:21:44:11 - 02:21:46:06]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, it definitely didn't make me

[02:21:46:06 - 02:21:47:14]
Speaker 1
 a classical music.

[02:21:47:14 - 02:22:08:11]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, no, it was definitely a good, because I was like, am I just a charlatan? Like this is one of your favorite movies. And then there's a podcaster that I listened to who, it's his favorite movie. And I was like, am I just an idiot? Like what, am I missing something? So I was really glad that you chose to do this film just because I did really wanna give it a rewatch.

[02:22:10:23 - 02:22:16:07]
Speaker 2
 I was happy to finally understand what the image on the poster was.

[02:22:16:07 - 02:22:17:05]
Speaker 3
 Sure, yes.

[02:22:17:05 - 02:22:27:15]
Speaker 2
 As a kid, I'm looking at this thing going, I am dais, what is that? What is that sun god that is carrying over and everything? So when that finally showed up on screen, I was like, oh,

[02:22:28:15 - 02:22:30:02]
Speaker 2
 this is from an opera.

[02:22:33:23 - 02:22:58:15]
Speaker 2
 You have given me only the second film by Milos Foreman that I like. One Flew Over the Koopka's Nest I love, this one I liked. And I find him mostly a director that I like. That deals in subjects that I am just not interested in. I really want that. I also thought I was not interested in this still.

[02:22:58:15 - 02:23:03:05]
Speaker 1
 I barely watched any of the other films. I've seen one Flew Over the Koopka. Same thing as like me.

[02:23:04:19 - 02:23:17:21]
Speaker 1
 Interesting, this was one of those films that nobody would back, nobody wanted to produce it. That's why I was put out by Orion. One of the big companies wanted to put period piece about no, we're not interested. That's not big in the 80s.

[02:23:17:21 - 02:23:28:22]
Speaker 2
 All the stuff you were saying resonates with me, but I kept thinking, man, if this was a 20th century Fox film, this would be a lot bigger. And I think I wanted it to be a lot bigger. Oh, interesting.

[02:23:30:18 - 02:23:44:11]
Speaker 2
 I wanted those shots to be further away and more stuff going on. Cause some of that scenery was so gorgeous and the insides of the theaters and everything. I was like, oh, I want this from behind the stage or something, I want to see everything.

[02:23:44:11 - 02:23:49:04]
Speaker 1
 It was shot in the theaters, most are used. That's what it looked like. Wow.

[02:23:49:04 - 02:23:54:16]
Speaker 2
 This is the creator. I just wanted it to be a little bigger. The music is so fucking big.

[02:23:56:13 - 02:24:05:00]
Speaker 2
 And I kind of came away from it the same way. I was like, I know all these songs. I did not realize this was all Mozart.

[02:24:05:00 - 02:24:05:09]
Speaker 4
 Yeah.

[02:24:05:09 - 02:24:08:17]
Speaker 2
 Cause classical music is not my genius.

[02:24:08:17 - 02:24:10:00]
 (Laughing)

[02:24:10:00 - 02:24:11:07]
Speaker 3
 I'm glad I'm not the only one.

[02:24:12:10 - 02:24:14:02]
Speaker 3
 We share in lack of Jimmy jams.

[02:24:14:02 - 02:24:18:09]
Speaker 2
 That's like classical music from 1970 to 1980.

[02:24:20:05 - 02:24:24:01]
Speaker 1
 So it was released by Orion. W.B. put out the director's cut.

[02:24:25:19 - 02:24:33:22]
Speaker 3
 Was that the only one that was floating around for a long time then? No one that was available. So once it was out of theaters, it was just the director's cut that you could see.

[02:24:33:22 - 02:24:37:08]
Speaker 1
 It was sometime in the either early 2000s or late 90s.

[02:24:37:08 - 02:24:37:18]
Speaker 3
 Okay.

[02:24:37:18 - 02:24:40:00]
Speaker 1
 And it wasn't really available much.

[02:24:40:00 - 02:24:49:12]
Speaker 3
 Okay. And then basically with DVDs, I'm guessing they essentially were like, ah, we don't need to put out the original theatrical. We can just have this director's cut floating around. Okay.

[02:24:49:12 - 02:24:54:12]
Speaker 1
 Did about 90 million in box office. It was pretty decent hit for that time.

[02:24:55:16 - 02:25:17:10]
Speaker 1
 We do make fun of Academy Awards, but this is one I think is a deserving one. Between big awards, they've got nominated 53 different awards and 140 of them. Whoa. Including eight Academy Awards, Best Picture, four BAFTA Awards, four Golden Globe Awards, including Best Picture. Abraham and Holtz were both nominated for Best Actor, Abraham winning.

[02:25:18:20 - 02:25:24:22]
Speaker 1
 1998, the American Film Institute put it 53 on 100, greatest movies for 100 years.

[02:25:26:22 - 02:25:34:22]
Speaker 1
 2019, the United States Film Registry put it in, you know, the culturally significant historically aesthetic film.

[02:25:36:08 - 02:25:39:01]
Speaker 3
 What caused them to decide to put out this theatrical?

[02:25:40:12 - 02:25:40:18]
Speaker 3
 Demand.

[02:25:41:18 - 02:25:44:05]
Speaker 3
 People were like, we want to see the original. Okay.

[02:25:45:11 - 02:26:04:11]
Speaker 1
 I mean, it's weird. It's so different. Yeah. It's just kind of funny. It was like talking about how movies kind of get forgotten about. The other movies nominated that year for Best Picture, The Killing Fields, a Passage to India, Places in the Heart, and a Soldier Story.

[02:26:06:06 - 02:26:08:13]
Speaker 1
 Mostly Gone.

[02:26:08:13 - 02:26:13:17]
Speaker 3
 Yeah, I was gonna say, I know the Killing Fields. I don't know what any of those other ones are.

[02:26:13:17 - 02:26:23:19]
Speaker 2
 I had read something from the director of Killing Fields saying, thank goodness that Amadeus couldn't win for Best Original Score because The Killing Fields did.

[02:26:25:10 - 02:26:25:11]
 (Laughing)

[02:26:25:11 - 02:26:25:20]
Speaker 1
 Nice.

[02:26:30:12 - 02:26:38:22]
Speaker 2
 It is weird to think of, you know, other movies that were out at the same time as this. This feels like a 70s flick to me.

[02:26:38:22 - 02:26:51:21]
Speaker 1
 Yeah, yeah, it definitely has more of a, well, it didn't do a lot of historical dramas in the 80s. It just really did. Which is weird, as successful as this film was, there were afterwards movies that were all terrible.

[02:26:53:00 - 02:26:57:03]
Speaker 1
 Just some really bad, like big Tobin and Bach-based movies.

[02:26:58:12 - 02:27:02:17]
Speaker 1
 And Jurassic Park games, stole my favorite line from this. Well, there it is.

[02:27:03:17 - 02:27:04:01]
 (Laughing)

[02:27:06:01 - 02:27:30:11]
Speaker 2
 I will say that I hated the laugh. The laugh is rough. That really annoyed me. And then to find out that that was also probably not real, pissed me off too. I was like, yeah, we could have got away from that. I understood what it was there for to really show, especially Sally Arie when he first hears it, is just so horrified that was funny.

[02:27:30:11 - 02:27:31:00]
Speaker 4
 Yeah.

[02:27:34:02 - 02:27:36:12]
Speaker 2
 Tom Holtz lives in Seattle. Does he?

[02:27:37:15 - 02:27:54:20]
Speaker 2
 Still lives in Seattle. Remember, because Warren kept threatening that Holtz was gonna show up at our film school, we would have like fucking McCrory showed up and Jessica Benninger and yeah, a couple of, A couple really impressive people. Yeah, just show up and teach for a day.

[02:27:54:20 - 02:27:55:03]
Speaker 4
 Oh.

[02:27:55:03 - 02:28:07:16]
Speaker 2
 Yeah, and you're like, oh, the guy who wrote the usual suspects is here today. That's cool. Wow. And it kept saying that Holtz was gonna show up because Holtz lives still in,

[02:28:09:12 - 02:28:12:23]
Speaker 2
 in what's that neighborhood? Queen Anne? In Queen Anne, yeah.

[02:28:12:23 - 02:28:16:15]
Speaker 3
 That's so funny. I had a friend who was teaching me,

[02:28:17:20 - 02:28:32:06]
Speaker 3
 the film school is now a lot bigger than it was. It's got a huge building and lower Queen Anne. And I had a friend who was teaching the music film segment and he would have me come in randomly to teach. Now I feel a lot less cool.

[02:28:32:06 - 02:28:32:17]
Speaker 4
 Oh.

[02:28:32:17 - 02:28:33:17]
 (Laughing)

[02:28:33:17 - 02:28:35:03]
Speaker 3
 A lot less impressive.

[02:28:35:03 - 02:28:39:21]
Speaker 2
 You should feel a lot more cool because you were put in his-- No, no,

[02:28:39:21 - 02:28:45:03]
Speaker 3
 no, no, no, it's okay. Mostly I crushed their dreams. So that was my main mission.

[02:28:45:03 - 02:28:53:04]
Speaker 1
 One weird little note, there's lots of notes you do this one, but one weird one that I thought was really kind of interesting. Meg Tilly was originally cast to play his wife.

[02:28:53:04 - 02:28:54:08]
Speaker 2
 Oh, that's interesting.

[02:28:54:08 - 02:29:22:09]
Speaker 1
 But literally the day before her first onscreen scene, she injured herself so badly that she couldn't perform and would have been out, they would have delayed the movie like five weeks. Wow. So like, well, we gotta hire someone else. So they went back to New York, got 60 women audition, could not decide between two, flew them to Czechoslovakia where they were doing a lot of the shooting,

[02:29:23:10 - 02:29:26:05]
Speaker 1
 said, okay, we'll decide tomorrow, we'll decide tomorrow for more than a week.

[02:29:27:17 - 02:29:29:08]
Speaker 1
 And then below.

[02:29:29:08 - 02:29:41:15]
Speaker 1
 showing what a dick he can be at times because it truly can be a dick. When they hired the Jennifer or Elizabeth said we're fine with you because the other lady was just a little too pretty.

[02:29:43:21 - 02:29:45:11]
Speaker 3
 Oh no.

[02:29:45:11 - 02:29:53:02]
Speaker 1
 This was an interview she was giving and she's like well okay I got the job. Oh that's good.

[02:29:53:02 - 02:29:55:01]
Speaker 3
 Geez Louise she's beautiful.

[02:29:55:01 - 02:30:00:18]
Speaker 2
 That's also kind of crazy because Jennifer Tilly back then in 84 was...

[02:30:00:18 - 02:30:01:06]
Speaker 1
 Make tell.

[02:30:01:06 - 02:30:06:18]
Speaker 2
 Oh make tell. Make telly too. Yeah. Gorgeous. Yeah. So what are you saying too pretty?

[02:30:09:13 - 02:30:10:08]
Speaker 2
 Insane.

[02:30:10:08 - 02:30:17:02]
Speaker 3
 He apparently would have been prettier than this girl. So weird but maybe she had more of a clout.

[02:30:18:03 - 02:30:31:18]
Speaker 3
 I don't know. Oh no. And then I was shocked by my own ability to be like hey that maid is a what's her name from Sex and the City which I was kind of disappointed in myself in. I was like aha I know you.

[02:30:31:18 - 02:30:35:17]
Speaker 1
 Well I did not get that bit of trivia.

[02:30:35:17 - 02:30:37:04]
Speaker 3
 That's okay.

[02:30:37:04 - 02:30:47:03]
Speaker 2
 That shot at the end where they're wheeling him through the asylum and he's you know casting out his.

[02:30:47:03 - 02:30:48:18]
Speaker 1
 Great.

[02:30:50:00 - 02:31:00:17]
Speaker 2
 And the people are in the cages on their back. The cage is so low to the ground. I was just like wow this is fucking horrifying.

[02:31:00:17 - 02:31:03:07]
Speaker 3
 It is awful. This is how I'm sure.

[02:31:04:10 - 02:31:06:16]
Speaker 3
 I don't know. Cages are pretty pricey.

[02:31:10:07 - 02:31:13:16]
Speaker 2
 Yeah. Good choice. This was a good movie.

[02:31:13:16 - 02:31:21:08]
Speaker 3
 Yeah. You know it's nice to come out of the I don't know our usual comfort zone. I felt like this got pushed a little bit which is good.

[02:31:21:08 - 02:31:36:14]
Speaker 2
 Well and I've known you for 35 years and I've known this has been your favorite film and I've never seen it. So and I actually had downloaded this years ago because I knew it was your favorite film and I should probably see it. So this was a good show.

[02:31:37:16 - 02:31:42:04]
Speaker 2
 I can now notch that off the list and say I know you a little better.

[02:31:43:20 - 02:31:46:13]
Speaker 1
 And it's safe because it's been consistent. Yeah.

[02:31:48:01 - 02:31:49:20]
Speaker 1
 But yeah still love it.

[02:31:51:03 - 02:31:52:01]
Speaker 1
 So glad that the theatrical.

[02:31:52:01 - 02:31:57:23]
Speaker 2
 And you know what we should have done and during our break was remind Vanessa that she has the pick for the next film.

[02:31:57:23 - 02:31:59:02]
Speaker 1
 Oh shoot.

[02:31:59:02 - 02:32:08:19]
Speaker 2
 We are I guess we could cut this out. We are doing a best of yes for our next episode. Yes we're going to do best of. But you need to have a sub-genre.

[02:32:08:19 - 02:32:12:18]
Speaker 3
 I'll think on that one. I'll give it a good thinkeroonie.

[02:32:12:18 - 02:32:13:06]
Speaker 2
 Yeah.

[02:32:13:06 - 02:32:14:17]
Speaker 3
 But not right now.

[02:32:14:17 - 02:32:18:15]
Speaker 1
 Yes the best of 2025 will be coming out probably sometime in February.

[02:32:18:15 - 02:32:25:07]
Speaker 3
 Just in time for when are the Oscars sometime in February. So we'll be like right around you know.

[02:32:25:07 - 02:32:27:05]
Speaker 1
 We'll

[02:32:27:05 - 02:32:28:10]
Speaker 3
 be of the moment.

[02:32:28:10 - 02:32:32:01]
Speaker 2
 Yes you'll be able to hear me rant about how much I hate the Oscars.

[02:32:32:01 - 02:32:37:10]
Speaker 3
 Yes as we all we all look forward to this special time.

[02:32:37:10 - 02:33:05:10]
Speaker 2
 All right. Well so with that in mind we are talking about best of next week and that means this is the end of the show. This is where we say thanks for liking and sharing posts for reviewing. You know we are always saying thanks so much for sending money our way and everything because it's value for value if you get a little value out of it. Give a little value back. But you know what if you can't give value in the form of coin a review. Yes is

[02:33:05:10 - 02:33:12:11]
Speaker 3
 so powerful. Yeah word of mouth spreading our you know metadata across the Internet. That's so useful.

[02:33:12:11 - 02:33:28:19]
Speaker 2
 Yeah. And I know we just don't have a lot of reviews. No podcast has a lot of reviews. It takes so little time to get on there. Hit five stars hit one star hit five stars and leave a horrible review. We're fine with all that.

[02:33:28:19 - 02:33:49:00]
Speaker 1
 No problem. Going back to the you know challenge me with a movie. Of course now that you've all listened for a while you know finding a movie for me to really think is horrible is a challenge. Impossible. You know go with a higher budgets. Movies that suck because I have less. I have a lot of you have a lot of patience

[02:33:49:00 - 02:33:55:00]
Speaker 2
 made with a lot of passion. Yeah that's true. Somebody give him the scorpion. Exactly.

[02:33:55:00 - 02:33:56:12]
Speaker 3
 I've seen it.

[02:33:57:15 - 02:34:01:04]
Speaker 3
 But you could see it again. Yeah in depth.

[02:34:01:04 - 02:34:03:08]
Speaker 2
 Vanessa what's another way they can reach out.

[02:34:03:08 - 02:34:14:08]
Speaker 3
 They can also reach us on the strange eons radio hotline that phone number is two by three two three seven four two six six. You're welcome to leave us a voicemail or send us a text message that way.

[02:34:14:08 - 02:34:26:18]
Speaker 2
 Yeah. So that's it guys. I will be compiling my list here. Obviously you know it's going to land number one. But you have no idea what will be through five.

[02:34:26:18 - 02:34:27:22]
Speaker 3
 And you through.

[02:34:27:22 - 02:34:36:08]
Speaker 2
 I like to throw a little wrench in there. If I know you guys are going to pick a movie I'll take that chance to talk about something that maybe people don't know.

[02:34:38:16 - 02:34:41:16]
Speaker 1
 There's definitely one that you could eliminate from your top five.

[02:34:41:16 - 02:34:54:11]
Speaker 3
 Ooh I'm excited. I haven't even looked yet to see what came out. I mean time has blended so much together. So I would love to figure out what on earth I liked from this year. No clue.

[02:34:54:11 - 02:35:01:08]
Speaker 2
 So it just has to be movies. We didn't like a lot of this year. Yes

[02:35:01:08 - 02:35:07:05]
Speaker 3
 the calendar pages themselves can remain out of this discussion. But all right gang.

[02:35:07:05 - 02:35:15:06]
Speaker 2
 Great to see you guys in person. Yeah. You guys out there and we'll be back in two short weeks. See you next time.

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Speaker 2
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