347 RETURN OF THE AMITYVILLE HORROR!

347 RETURN OF THE AMITYVILLE HORROR!

The gang gets together to put a bow on The Amityville Horror Picture Show! 

Also discussed: The Bride, Good Luck, Have Fun, Don't Die, The Degenerate.

Transcript

Sick Voice And Quick Catch-Up

SPEAKER_02 0:27

Strange Eons. Welcome to Strange Eons Radio. That is Eric over there. Hello. That is Vanessa over there. Hello. And I am Kelly. Hey guys, great to see you. Yeah. Feels like it's been extra long, and that's because I think something happened to our regular date and we pushed it out. But you guys wouldn't know that because we are doing it's CryptoCon Seattle Times.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

I had an all-day meeting we're supposed to record.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 0:55

Well, it ended up being for the best because as you guys might hear and the change of quality of my voice, I was dead sick on the day we were supposed to record. So it would have ended up being today, regardless. Cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

Well, you still sound a little croaky, but it's kind of sexy.

SPEAKER_04 1:11

Oh, thank you. I'll do my best to own that and not just sound like diseased.

SPEAKER_02 1:18

Okay, let's jump right into this because this is going to be a long episode, I think. I have seen some shit. Yeah. I saw good luck, have fun, don't get killed.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

How is it?

SPEAKER_02 1:30

Um, it's great as you're watching it and it falls apart as you think about it afterwards. And the reason is Sam Rockwell, probably our generation's finest actor, and just so fucking watchable, and he carries this entire movie. But this is a time travel movie, and and as soon as you start thinking about time travel, you're like, what's going on? And so there is a part where, you know, I went into it not really knowing what was going to happen. And so he shows up and he shows up at uh at a diner where all these people are, and you're not sure. He says he's been there a hundred times before and he's picked out a certain amount of people and it hasn't worked yet, but he knows the right combination to save the world is with these people in this diner. And so come, who's who's with me? We're gonna save the world. And you're like, I don't, I can't tell if he's lying and just completely insane, or and they just immediately show you that this is not a lie because we start going into background of something that has happened with the other characters that is like kind of out of place and everything. And so what he's trying to stop, you know, um, it's very timely, is AI taking over the world. And it's it's right on the brink. Also, in this movie, it's right on the brink. And um he tries to put together this team of um of wacky people as commandos to stop this. And it is pretty dang good, but it falls into a very quickly a um a groundhog day situation where something doesn't work and he has to start over and everything. But the problem with that is okay, you've done this a hundred times now, and this thing always happens. How about before you go into the diner, you cut the line so a phone call can't be made? You know, yeah. Why is it that Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure is the only time travel movie that has figured out exactly how to deal with those stupid parts where they're like, remember to put a bucket here and there's a bucket there, you know? I'm like, this this makes sense. So uh really great to watch because of Sam Rockwell and um and a so-so story. So we're seeing for sure. And it's it's um it's streaming now. So it's called Good Luck, Have Fun, Don't Get Killed.

The Bride Sparks A Fight

SPEAKER_04 3:43

Um, well, I'm not sure if either of you guys have checked out yet The Bride.

SPEAKER_02 3:48

Nope.

SPEAKER_04 3:48

Maggie Gyllenhaal's New Joints.

SPEAKER_02 3:51

I had to, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:52

Yeah. Kelly had sent out this article that had the longest title of all time, and it sounded pretty rough. And I was like, I don't I don't know if this is this movie is gonna be as bad as that. This movie, I was seething by the end. Wow, really? I hated it so much. Holy cow! So much. And I think the reason being that it does too many things.

SPEAKER_02 4:18

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 4:19

Yeah, I feel like the the thing that I couldn't handle is that there's the character of Mary Shelley, who is basically inhabiting the character of the bride, and she sometimes takes over her, and sometimes she's quiet, and sometimes she's doing monologuing, and she's off on the side, and it's played by the same actress. But we're also in a world where Frankenstein exists and is real knows about him, and the world knows about him, okay, but also he's a story Mary Shelley wrote, and it was like she was the most irritating, intolerable character of all time. And I was like, every time she showed up, I was like, you shut the f up. And she said like the most stupid, like 2026 stuff, and I was I just couldn't. The acting is great. I think that there's really interesting, fun, strong things happening. I don't mind that Maggie Gyllenhaal pulled the my brother's famous and my husband is famous card. That's fine.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

Uh we work with what we got, right? And if what we got is famous husbands and brothers, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:23

And and I think Jake Gyllenhaal was actually really fun. Um, her husband, Peter Skarsgard, was fine.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

Yeah, he was a little vanilla. Side note weirdness. I did not realize there were so many Skarsgards.

SPEAKER_02 5:37

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

There's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 5:38

He's not even related to that. He's not that different. He's a different one. Yeah, because he's like a yeah, his name is spelled very slightly differently. But yeah, I I really, really hated it. Um, I applaud her for trying, but I also am like, I don't understand. Like, there was a lot of me too in there, and I was like, this feels really weird and strange, and I don't know why we're constantly watching this lady get almost raped, which is never fun for me to watch in a film, even if it's to prove a point of how cool that lady is. I'm like, I think there's other ways of doing it. I just not everybody needs to rape everybody all the time. So anyway.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

You heard it here at first, uh Vanessa Williams taking a strong stance against rape.

SPEAKER_04 6:21

Hey, who would know? Who would have thought me of all people? Um, what did you think?

SPEAKER_02 6:28

Well, uh surprisingly, I enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_04 6:30

This is crazy to me. Um we are in an upside-down world.

SPEAKER_02 6:34

There are things that I was like, uh, and it will the Mary Shelley part was one.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:40

The dance number to put in on the writs. I know.

SPEAKER_00 6:44

They actually used that song infuriated me. Yes. I read it when I read the review for it, it read like it was an homage to that kind of scene. No, no. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 6:55

Yeah, that's they use the song, and obviously it's a nod, but I'm like, you cannot nod to such a famous, much better movie.

SPEAKER_01 7:05

Right.

SPEAKER_02 7:05

That's all anyone will do is compare it now.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:08

So um this is a message movie, and the message it just fucking hits you over the head constantly. And I don't like stuff like that. But I thought that we saw a Frankenstein's monster that we had never seen before.

SPEAKER_04 7:24

He was he did a great job.

SPEAKER_02 7:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:26

Yeah, I really enjoyed that performance and every rendition.

SPEAKER_02 7:29

And I liked um I liked a lot of the dialogue, I liked a lot of the acting. I I just wish any scene had been a little more subtle.

SPEAKER_04 7:40

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:42

Um everything is just the biggest version of what they want to tell you, you know. So there's there's nothing for you to wonder what this movie is about. Yeah. It is just, but I thought it was really good looking. Here's here's my feelings on this, ma'am. Um, this is a message movie. And uh if you are a person who agrees with this message, you're gonna go into this movie no matter what it's like, and you're gonna say, this movie is fucking great. And if you're a person who disagrees with this message, you're gonna say, this movie was fucking awful. As a person who doesn't give a shit about that message, I went in and I said, This is neither as bad or as good as you guys are saying it is. It's just fine. The real question is, why would Warner Brothers or I guess Universal, why would Universal think that they could make this kind of movie for$80 million and ever make a profit? This is such a niche viewing group that the only way this is going to make any money is on streaming. Yeah. Because the people who want this kind of movie don't go to the movies. This is going to become absolutely a cult classic.

SPEAKER_04 8:52

It is so bonkers and wacky and wild that people will discover it either in streaming or in 10 years from now. Yeah. DVDs come back around or whatever, and people are gonna be like, oh my god, this movie's crazy. Has anyone seen this? This exists. Ah. It's gonna be how soon, you know, like it's the doctor, was it Annette Benning? Annette Benning, yes. And she was fucking great. I loved her until the like last couple sentences on the movie. Yeah, I mean, but but I guess she was so good.

SPEAKER_02 9:20

I love when we meet her and everything, she's aware of Frankenstein's monster, and now he's sitting and she's like, I've got questions and tests and all these things I want to do. And then when he tells her what he wants is, you know, a bride, um, she's like, I'm not gonna do anything like that. And he says, I thought you were a mad scientist. And then she starts laughing, and I was like, This is a this is great dialogue, right? And I was just like, I was like really getting into parts of it, and then other parts, you know, just like uh, and you know, two other people in the theater, and I couldn't tell whether they liked it or not. Um so I I just don't know how anybody could have thought this would make money. This should have been for an eight million dollar movie, it still would have brought in the exact same amount of people.

SPEAKER_04 10:05

Yeah, oh for sure. 100%. Yeah. They've not done, I mean, I don't know where they spent that money.

SPEAKER_02 10:14

Film stuff. Well, I mean, what's his name? Can't be Jake Gyllenhaal. Well, Jake Gyllenhaal, I'm guessing, does a favor for his sister, right? But but Frank was played by uh um uh Batman. Yeah, there will be blood.

SPEAKER_00 10:27

I mean, you know, that's almost a mid-level budget these days. I mean, you think that the big movies are now three, four, four, five hundred million dollar films.

SPEAKER_02 10:37

Yeah, though.

SPEAKER_04 10:38

Like, I just they're in a lot of like set piece rooms with costumes. Like, I'm just surprised that that remains.

SPEAKER_02 10:45

Some of those some of those uh sets were gorgeous.

SPEAKER_04 10:49

They were cool, they were really cool. Yeah, but do you know what Del Toros is?

SPEAKER_02 10:55

Or probably 180 or something like that, you know.

SPEAKER_04 10:58

Yeah, but Del Toros is he's I mean, those sets are big and there's way more of them.

SPEAKER_02 11:04

I also wonder if part of this is we just got Frankenstein, we got Lisa Frankenstein earlier than that. And are people like, do we need another Frankenstein movie? And also, do we need to take perhaps the most beloved universal horror movie and twist it this much?

SPEAKER_01 11:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

I don't, you know, I don't know who you're going to aim this movie at, but it's not the people who will go see this in the theater.

SPEAKER_04 11:31

Yeah, I I just don't even know. Is you know, is it meant to be for feminists? Is it meant to be for LGBTQ? Is it meant to be for woke? Is it meant to be for I think it's all of those? I think I don't quite I I don't know, like considering I feel like I hit a lot of the target, I I I don't know. There was a there's a battle going on watching this movie, and I lost and you won.

SPEAKER_02 11:57

Well, I'm not as against rape as you are. It doesn't have the same battles going on.

SPEAKER_04 12:03

You're like it's fine.

SPEAKER_02 12:04

Some rape is fine.

SPEAKER_04 12:06

Did it feel a little medium dated? Yes, it felt like the two the Me Too references felt very weird to me.

SPEAKER_00 12:13

That's sort of like the scary movie trailer. I mean, really a vave them a joke is gonna be your lead joke in your trailer?

SPEAKER_02 12:19

Come on, man. This will be very dated, you know, in five years, people look back at it and be like, oh, that's what everyone was arguing about. Eric, you're gonna like this movie. And I think also you're going to hate all the things that I hated about it.

SPEAKER_04 12:32

Oh, yeah. It's very Gen X too. Like, I think that there's like a like riot girl situation around here. For sure. Where it's like girls who are in the zines, girls who wanted to do like pop, like not pop punk, but punk punk, you know, like there's a real like aesthetic that kind of doesn't exist anymore, or isn't like we're not gonna like rage against the machine by like screaming at people in the street anymore. That's not the current way of moving the needle.

SPEAKER_01 12:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:00

So I just don't think it's gonna speak to modernity in the way that maybe Maggie Gyllenhaal thinks it is, or Maggie Gyllenhaal's reference points are.

SPEAKER_02 13:10

This is also one of those cases where like her last movie was an$8 million movie. Why did they give her$80 million? And does she get a chance to do anything after a massive, massive flop like this?

SPEAKER_04 13:22

I don't know. That's gonna be tough. I mean, she's got a lot of people in her corner. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 13:28

I guarantee you at CryptoCon, this costume is going to be the one we see all the girls wandering in the city. So yeah, it's such a easy instead of the instead of the stripes of the hair, we get this big black mark on her face that is permanent. And I'm like, oh, that's that's very striking looking.

Andy Milligan And Beautiful Trash

SPEAKER_00 13:44

Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay, well. Anyway. Twisting things like I usually do. Severin's new box set of Andy uh Milligan came out Thursday. Oh Friday. I watched only the documentary on there of the den The Degenerate, the life and films of Andy Milligan. Fascinating. Yeah. He's such a fucked up weirdo. He's so he's like if you think of a mad artist, this is him. Is he still alive? No, he died of AIDS, uh, or complication of AIDS in like I think the late 80s, early 90s.

SPEAKER_02 14:22

Is there um is there enough interview stuff with him in it, or is it just people talking about him?

SPEAKER_00 14:27

They found a uh an audio interview with him. So you actually do get hear a fair amount from him. Uh the there's yeah, the guy who wrote this the incredible biography whose name I'm blanking on is in it a lot because it's one of the best bios I've read ever. Yeah, which is fascinating, incredibly well written. Uh Stephen Thrower, the author of Nightmare USA, which is this massive book about low budget films. Freak was heavily of course he's also in a lot of seven stuff because his knowledge is frightening. Um I loved his concept. Stephen Thrower's quote was something to the words of I don't agree with the concept of these being bad. I like the only problems movies I have with are mediocre movies. These are so staggeringly weird and unusual and strange and just crazy. Hard to call them bad. They're awful, but they're not boring in any way.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

As a fan, what movie would you suggest to someone like me who is not seeing any of these movies on purpose? What one do you think that I would at least get a little bit of enjoyment out of?

SPEAKER_00 15:42

I I don't know if you'd enjoy any of them. It's my fear. Partially because some of the things that makes him so interesting. This is a sickness, Tony, you know, is you really don't fully get what's going on with him until you've seen two or three of them.

SPEAKER_02 15:58

Uh huh.

SPEAKER_00 15:58

So if you're just to watch like the ghastly ones is his most famous. Stephen King famously said, like, one of the whoever made this movie had no talent whatsoever, and no ability to run a camera, no ability to do sound, no ability to act.

SPEAKER_02 16:11

Like it's not wrong. He was like, hold my bear, I'm going to make maximum overdrive and show you.

SPEAKER_00 16:18

This is bad movie making. Um, I mean, he was involved in a very famous uh Greenwich Village theater place called Cafe Cino, which is credited as being the starting place for off off Broadway as a concept. And he was one of their main directors, he was involved in that. Uh Sam Shepherd worked there. And so it was interesting. He had demons and he's got weird blank places in his life. Like really nobody knows about his childhood, knows very little that other than he had real mommy issues, and that's because he watches movies. And the mobs are always awful. Villains, horrible, scary people. And he was in the Navy, got sectioned eight. The rumor is possibly uh because he's gay or because he was getting in fights with people. Um, but they don't know. People have been able to find the records of why he was sectioned eight. And he's got weird blanks, but his uh he wouldn't survive in modern filmmaking style because he was psychotic almost. I mean he wasn't actually I don't think he was insane, but he was angry. And uh they had a bunch of his actors that were interviewed and really interesting people, and uh some of them really loved him. You know, there's one, there's there's one woman, Hope something, who was in a bunch of his films that's like most everybody said, Yeah, that's the only woman he ever seemed to like. And he worshipped her, he would do anything for her, she could do no wrong. But most women could do no right. At one point he bought a theater in New York and he like had to fight people to get out of the just hanging around the place so he could open it up to show a show a theater. And uh he was uh shooting guns out of the window at people.

SPEAKER_04 18:25

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

One of the guys like, okay, here's the problem you're doing. You're shooting this rifle out the window, but you're sticking the the barrel out the window so can people see where it comes from? Just step back a little bit. You probably can't wait. It's like, wow, that's an interesting friend you have there. Oh my god. But uh I don't know, it's just he's just an interesting, wow, fascinating human being. So look forward to watching his other newfound films they have in there that were some were thought lost. It's like the the one lady Hope had like this notebook three-ring binder full of photos from everything they did, and she had all the posters she'd kept over the years. It's like and uh like he got screwed, he'd get over screwed over by the 42nd people like everybody did. And when he finally got like the 8,000 or whatever they owed him out of the movies that made a lot of money for them, he'd just make another movie. Of course. So he's he's a fascinating character, and this did not dissuade that thinking at all. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

I'm so glad that you and Tony Kay have a movie that was made for just you two people.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

It's true. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 19:41

Uh well, I saw something a little more mainstream.

SPEAKER_04 19:44

Shocking.

SPEAKER_02 19:46

And it was called It was called Mercy with Chris Pratt. Have you guys heard of this movie?

SPEAKER_04 19:51

Yes, it looks terrible.

SPEAKER_02 19:54

Um, it's not terrible.

SPEAKER_04 19:56

Really?

SPEAKER_02 19:56

Until the end. Oh. And then it completely shits the bed. I I hate to say that because um Gioffrey, or as I like to say, Jeffrey, real badger, um he had reached out to me. He saw a sneak peek and he really loved it. And I was like, okay, I'm looking forward to this now. And I watched it and I was really intrigued. So it's about it's set, you know, whatever, in the very near future. And basically you have an AI judge if you get caught in a crime and it's uh it's a crime that is um a uh an offense large enough to get you like a death sentence or something. You've got 90 minutes to argue your trial, and if uh you can't convince the judge, then you're killed.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:42

And uh Chris Pratt plays a police officer who was one of the guys who championed this system, and then all of a sudden he is now under suspicion of murdering his wife, and he has no memory of it, but the footage they have of him fighting with her looks very much like he probably did it. And of course he was shift-faced, so he's not exactly sure he didn't do it. So now he's um he's like, okay, I've I would like to take advantage of my 90 minutes. And from a chair, he investigates the murder based on footage and interviewing suspects and stuff like that. And it's really good until the last 10 minutes. Wow. Uh, and it turns into a a pretty shitty action film with um with a really stupid ending.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

Oh dear. That's too bad. Sounded like somebody I my first thought is the original writer probably didn't have an ending like that.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

I felt very much like the studio was like, yes, hey, we need something to happen in here. He's just this whole movie can't just be him sitting in the chair. And I was like, it can be if it's this interesting back and forth between him and the AI, because the AI is literal artificial intelligence. So you can tell that she is starting to be convinced, but the The um evidence he has, she he's got to get between before or you know, beneath like a 85% guilt level. And you could tell that she is getting convinced, but the evidence is not showing it. And I was like, Well, this is super interesting. I want to see what's going on with the AI. And and then it doesn't go there, and it makes me wonder if it did go there in the in the first draft and it was um way too cerebral or something.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

Too many, too many businessmen making movies now, man. Go back and watch like uh that what movie the two guys just sitting in the my di my dinner laundry diner or something like that, where most of the movie is just discussions. You know what?

SPEAKER_04 22:42

That could be really, really interesting. Locke is a good movie, it's just Tom Hurdy in a car.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

I've never seen that one. Um, yeah, this is a call mercy, it's streaming. Umge may vary. I obviously Jeffrey liked it a lot more than I did, but I think seeing it in the theater probably would have been a little more interesting, also.

Starfleet Academy Hits Peak Frustration

SPEAKER_04 23:04

Well, I'm slightly more intrigued than I was previously because I was like, this is just gonna be hokey ripoff vil, but it I don't know. All right, yeah, maybe knowing that the ending's gonna suck would make it tolerable, and not just the whole thing is gonna suck. Um, I finished because I was sick and I was kind of semi-isolated sitting upstairs alone on a couch. I finished Star Trek Starfleet Academy.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:30

I thought I was done. I thought I had bailed. I thought I was like, you know what? Fuck this noise. Um, this is the most infuriating show of all time because for every good episode or okay episode, there is an intolerable, horrific, stupid ass episode. And you have to sit through, it's like 50-50. You have to sit through like one good one, two bad ones, two good ones, three bad ones, and it's like it's just so testing of the patience. My biggest gripe is gonna make me sound like such an asshole, but the fact that they have a a Klingon student who they insinuate at one point through like very subtle means that he might be gay.

SPEAKER_01 24:18

Right.

SPEAKER_04 24:19

In the next episode, he has a boyfriend and he's wearing a utility kilt. The Klingon is? Yes.

SPEAKER_00 24:27

Fancy.

SPEAKER_04 24:28

They didn't even bother. They didn't even bother to, yeah, it gets frustrating. Did you give up on that?

SPEAKER_00 24:34

Well, that part was whatever, because it's a weird, but it's just the whole wedding, the whole situation on one episode. They had the wedding, and I was like, Where the fuck did all I mean? It's all it felt like stuff that should have been built up for like four or five episodes, especially the guy getting married. Felt like there should be some history that led to the it was just like by the way, I want to do a wedding episode.

SPEAKER_04 24:55

Boy! This is his hist, this is uh his culture, this is what he's been promised to do, and we're just here now on this world, and this is just happening. There's so much just sparkling.

SPEAKER_02 25:06

Was this a Klingon getting married? No. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 25:10

The guy who he may or may not have sparks with. I don't know. It's really hard to say because they just flip through stuff so quickly. But then the last two episodes of this show are so good.

SPEAKER_00 25:22

Oh, really? Oh, I'll go back and watch the last two because I think I have three left.

SPEAKER_04 25:27

Or even the last three. The the I think the third to last is like the hologram basically getting reset um through the stupidest. I don't, I do not there, I don't understand the storyline. I wish I could even quickly explain how stupid the whole hologram situation is. But regardless, like she gets rewritten, which is good. Um, and then you get to the point where it's like Holly Hunter and um uh Paul Giamatti, and we get to the crux of the entire purpose of the show. I don't know if there's gonna be a season two. It kind of feels like they show, like they end the whole thing. One and done. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:06

I I think I read somewhere about much of that cast is going on to a different name, Star Trek, Star Trek One or something like that. Okay. So I think you're you might be right.

SPEAKER_04 26:16

I wouldn't be surprised because it feels very much like, okay, like this is the the class they're finishing, and this big the whole purpose of the show seems to now be resolved. And it's a really cool like courtroom drama. Oh, in the yeah, in the last two episodes, and which you know, a big fan of Star Trek VI is like fuck yes, I will sit here and watch you guys argue and like really like bone down, and and you know there's more like people are asking questions or they're acting annoyed, but maybe that's not what's really going on, and like I love that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 26:50

Performers in those two roles, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:52

Yeah, let them let them play, yeah, let them go at each other, and it's it's really satisfying. And then I was like, Well, fuck you guys. I hate Star Trek right now so much, so much. And the fact that you have to know a lot of Discovery to really understand the full context of the show, and you're like, Well, they're from like 300 years ago, but that's okay because in Discovery, their ship went through future in a spore ship and in an alternative timeline, and so that's why this person's here. It's like whatever, whatever, okay, it's fine. So um watching it.

SPEAKER_00 27:27

I like new words she's using there, but boy, then whatever she's dicking together.

SPEAKER_04 27:32

I'm just telling you what I know. Um, this show is uh the worst, but I I was happy I finished it. I think that that um almost made up for the absolute shit show of some of the stuff they put you through in it. Sure.

SPEAKER_02 27:47

Boy, um first time a Star Trek series has died after one season, though, if that if that's the case.

SPEAKER_04 27:54

How long was the animated series? Two seasons?

SPEAKER_00 27:57

Yeah, the animated series was a lot of there's a lot more episodes than that than I thought there would be.

SPEAKER_02 28:02

No, maybe not. Maybe it wasn't two seasons because there's 22 episodes, I think.

SPEAKER_04 28:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:07

I told you I just did a uh rewatch of the Star Trek movies, and um and there's some real good stuff in there, and there's some real shit stuff in there. But one thing that started really gnawing at me, and once I thought about it, I got angrier and angrier is uh this is Starfleet, right? Where's the rest of the fucking fleet? It's like enterprise, you're the only one close enough to take care of this problem. It's 16 light years away and everything. I'm like, well, where is the rest of the fucking fleet? Why is it always the enterprise is the closest?

SPEAKER_04 28:41

It's a good question. I will say in Starfleet Academy, fleets fleets be showing up even though Starfleet is basically dead.

SPEAKER_02 28:48

Well, uh it just got me angry because uh it is storytelling. Yeah, and I'm like, there is a way to get around you're the closest ship. How about, hey, Kirk, you guys have the most experience with this. We would like you to take care of this kind of thing instead of it was always you're the closest ship.

SPEAKER_04 29:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:06

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Except for Janeway. That one makes a lot of sense when there's nobody near. Sure, it's true.

SPEAKER_04 29:15

Ain't nobody gonna help here. But if there be coffee.

Jeanne Dielman And Homework Cinema

SPEAKER_00 29:19

Okay, my next film, I'm blaming you two on. Oh, okay, because you're saying, you know, you should go and watch some good movies. Oh, fine. I'm gonna watch some good fucking movies. So I resubscribed to the Criterion channel. Okay, and I went with Sight and Sounds pick for best movie of all time. Wow. Which is uh Jeanne Dillman 23 Wei do commerce 1080 Bruxels. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:46

Well for this the like lady, like the lady in the kitchen.

SPEAKER_00 29:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 29:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:51

Three and a half hours long.

SPEAKER_04 29:52

I haven't seen it, but I I have seen people talk about how amazing it is.

SPEAKER_02 29:59

And it kind of is. Oh, okay. It's kind of not. Tell me what this movie is about that makes it so funny.

SPEAKER_00 30:05

The movie is basically this woman's life. You see her get up in the morning, have make her breakfast, have her breakfast, wash her dishes, turn a trick. Did she just do it? I think she did. And then come back out and clean the bed and uh welcome her son home, have dinner with her son. Uh apologize, dinner's not quite ready. It'll be a couple more minutes. Okay, I think dinner's probably ready now. I'm gonna go get it. Oh my god. It is very nearly real time of what this woman's doing. Like when she washes the dishes, she turns the sink's, the camera's behind her. And the sink, you see her dish, wash, wash, wash, wash, dish, wash, wash, dish. She's like and the idea, it ends, the end is like, holy shit. So it's like, okay. But I watched it probably the way you're not supposed to watch a movie like this. I watched a good 90 minutes of this. And uh then there's very little dialogue, her and her and her son talk a little bit, but it's almost her alone the whole time. Um and then the so like I wonder this great. Oh, good, let's play this at 1.5. Oh no, I was gonna say, did you play it at 1.5? I did. Wow. And it it was odd how most of the time visually made very little difference because her actions were so long.

SPEAKER_01 31:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:51

Although it's kind of funny, like when she went outside to go to the store, walking through the park, and you see all the people go.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

Is this a foreign film, I'm guessing? Yeah. And when was it made?

SPEAKER_00 32:02

Uh 1975.

SPEAKER_02 32:04

And it's the best movie of all time.

SPEAKER_00 32:08

According to Saint Sounds. The I I went up and looked up and go, how did this work? And it sounds like it's kind of an aggregated list. So it appeared on the most voting volumes.

SPEAKER_04 32:21

But probably not number one.

SPEAKER_00 32:22

And just kind of, you know, yeah, like maybe two or three on a lot of them, or but on almost all the lists, so it kind of moves up to the top. The problem for me is and also probably the bonus for a lot of people, because there are so many people that love movies need to be real. I'm like, bullshit. Movies don't need to be real. This movie's real.

SPEAKER_04 32:45

Yeah, I was gonna say this feels like realism to the real time.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

The cameras like are set up here. She does all this stuff, the camera does all this stuff. I mean, it's the camera, I don't think the camera ever moves. Um there's although I found a very odd thing fascinating. Her son sleeps on a like a fold-out couch bed. It was the coolest couch bed. It's like the the couch part stayed in one piece and you pulled it out and the bed like according down from inside. And when you put it back, it's like you're not folding it and rebuilding the bed, you just push it in. One of the beds goes like that. That was cool. And her performance is insane. I don't know how you get in the mindset to do what she did as a performer, other than you, I'm just living my life. And a lot of people look at it as a very strong statement on the boredom and repetition of modern life. And yes, like a lot of reviewers like, yes, this movie's boring, but that's kind of the point. Like, okay, yeah, I get that.

SPEAKER_02 33:55

That sounds tad pretentious to me to say this movie isn't. But that's the point.

SPEAKER_04 34:00

Yeah. I mean, if anything on the Criterion Channel is gonna be like that exact that and and which also led me to watch, which I'm not gonna talk about in length, but Lancelot of the Lake, the French film, which is basically how shitty the knights are after they fail to find the holy grail and how they just sort of boringly deteriorate.

SPEAKER_00 34:22

It's like this is weird, and uh I don't think I have this one to talk about, but uh and soul-crushing depression of watching uh Othello. Oh, I did not see the most recent one, no, no, with uh um Orson Wells. Which you know, it's got its problems because Orson Wells is playing Othello. Sure. Othello's a Moore.

SPEAKER_04 34:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

But once he adjust to that, his performance is staggering. And the pr it's just like I'm even more sad. Oh no.

SPEAKER_04 35:00

It's just like I watched the kitchen scene realist drama from the 70s. I watched whatever the other one was, and then Othello, a true tragedy.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

Oh with the with the one I'm actually talking about. If if I just stopped watching it, I probably would have vilified it quite a bit. But then you hit the end, you go, oh Jesus Christ. And it becomes okay, I will never watch this movie again. I will never recommend anybody watch it, unless your film school wants to impress your teacher or something. I don't know. But uh I I can't fault people for saying it's a good movie, it's not the best movie. But it's it's a for what it is, it does what it wants to do insanely well. Wow. I just don't care about what it wants to do. Well, I don't know. It is a very it is a very weird viewing experience.

SPEAKER_04 35:58

It's really tough sometimes to watch those movies in the 70s, which are considered to be revolutionary and like just groundbreaking because we have had so much cinema since then. I mean, we've had 50 years of cinema since then. So if what felt like so raw and strange, like Godard's weekend, and like you're just like, okay, I'm just watching a really long traffic jam and then they slaughter a pig. I'm very confused as to like what is happening here. But they're like, we've changed how we're shooting things, we've we're changing how we're like perceiving people, we're changing how we're doing sound design. And it's really tough to watch these movies and go, like, delete everything you know about movies and go, what is it that's unique about this and how can I appreciate it? What's it? I mean, you just have to be like such an asshole. I'm not an asshole, you have to be like a smart, filmic, appreciative librarian of cinema.

SPEAKER_02 36:56

I think we knew what you meant.

SPEAKER_04 36:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I say this as somebody who was that person for so long. You should have watched it at that point. You probably would have loved it. I probably would have.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

I probably would have raved about it. Oh, yeah. If I'd stopped watching it, I would hate it with a passion. But the end is like so sudden and so jarring that it it makes the whole movie kind of work. But yeah, you you know, you talk about homework movie. This is the most homework movie I have ever watched.

SPEAKER_04 37:28

As somebody who watches so much trash, Eric, it's amazing. It's amazing where your patience is.

SPEAKER_02 37:42

But also, this isn't what we met when we said you should watch a good movie. No, it's true.

SPEAKER_04 37:46

I did not expect you to go and get a subscription to Criterion. That was not really where my head was at. But you know, I'm also proud.

SPEAKER_00 37:52

There's some neat stuff on there that I was going on. Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_04 37:55

There's a lot of stuff on Criterion that's not even part of the Criterion collection, too, which is wild. So yeah, it's an interesting, interesting thing.

SPEAKER_00 38:05

Wow. There you go.

SPEAKER_02 38:07

Well, why don't we take a little break, guys? And then when we come back, we're gonna be talking about real art as we revisit the Amityville Horror Picture Show.

SPEAKER_05 38:43

The Amityville Horror Session 3D.

Amityville Origins And Expectations

SPEAKER_02 38:55

Strange Eons Radio presents the Amityville Horror Picture Show. Uh, that is Eric. I am Kelly. We are your hosts on this increasingly strange journey of the Amityville film franchise, of which, guys, there are over 100 entries as of this recording. There are so many because the Amityville murders of 1974 are public fact, and there is no copyright on the name of Amityville. Each episode features, or featured, since this is our last one, a revolving door of guest hosts, and today I am thrilled to announce Vanessa Williams as our Amityville Horror 2005 guest host.

SPEAKER_04 39:32

I'm so I'm so happy to be here.

SPEAKER_02 39:34

Yes, this is the final episode, I think, of the Amityville Horror Picture Show. Who knows? And uh during its original run, this was the film that you actually picked that you wanted to talk about.

SPEAKER_04 39:44

I was really excited.

SPEAKER_02 39:45

So I thought, since we're doing things this way, uh, this would be a nice way to kind of put a pin finally in this. Um, Vanessa, we're gonna treat this like one of those episodes, which means we start out with saying, What's your Amityville horror origin story? How did you find out about it? Did you believe it when you heard it?

SPEAKER_04 40:03

I am too young to have really had it be in my life in that way. Like there was no like whispered and hushes, it was just a film series that existed. But based on a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 40:15

I knew you grew up Catholic. Did you did you feel like this might have been real at all at any point?

SPEAKER_04 40:21

Um when I saw the first movie, it did really get to me. The like floating thing out the window. Am I correct? And that's the first one.

SPEAKER_01 40:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:30

Um, it really wigged me out.

SPEAKER_02 40:32

That was scary.

SPEAKER_04 40:33

Yeah, the the demon stuff was hey how old were you when you first saw it? It was like five years ago. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

I thought you were gonna say you were five. I didn't do that.

SPEAKER_04 40:44

I was like, that's a little young.

SPEAKER_00 40:45

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 40:46

I I really came to Amityville extremely late. It was really when I was re-exploring horror, and I was like, oh, I gotta get around to this freaking series. And then finally, yeah, watched some of them, and I was like, oh, okay, that's really fascinating.

SPEAKER_02 41:00

Was this a first-time watch for you, or had you seen this one?

SPEAKER_04 41:02

I had not seen this one before. I was waiting. I was I was pulling out because I knew I didn't want to. I it's got Ryan Reynolds. Come on.

SPEAKER_02 41:11

All right, well, let's let's get into this a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 41:15

Houses here are way out of our price range. When the business is good, we're gonna have the greatest house.

SPEAKER_03 41:20

It's beautiful. This is an amazing house. You are going to love it.

SPEAKER_05 41:26

Holy deal with a lifetime. So what's the catch?

SPEAKER_02 41:31

There was a crime, a murder in the house.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

Several people at family claims we heard voices coming from within the house.

SPEAKER_00 41:50

Well, houses don't kill people.

SPEAKER_05 41:58

To a perfect house, into a perfect family. Who are you talking to? I go live in my closet. And what's her name? Jody. Okay, sleep. There was a family lived here some time ago. They had a similar problem. We need to get out of here. Just back to go.

SPEAKER_02 43:35

Uh, this was directed by a cat named Andrew Douglas, who's done a lot of music videos and even two episodes of the TV series Mindhunters, which you know I fucking loved, right? But his IMDB info info ends at 2022 for some reason. So I couldn't tell he was eating alive.

SPEAKER_01 43:52

Theater.

SPEAKER_02 43:54

This was written by Scott Kosar, who's definitely a horror guy. He wrote the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake. He wrote The Machinist, The Crazies, uh, three episodes of Bates Motel, and episodes of The Haunting of Hill House, Chapelwaite, and Them. Uh the movie also credits Jay Anson as a writer. He wrote the book titled The Amityville Horror. So of course this is based on that. And Sandor Stern is listed as a writer. He wrote the original screenplay. That was a weird one for me because I'm a little surprised he gets a credit. The movie takes none of his dialogue and none of the stuff that didn't originally come from the book was in this. So I'm like, why would they credit him? It literally says in the opening credits, based on a screenplay, bye.

SPEAKER_04 44:41

They must have, and there must have been some deal or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 44:44

That's Sandor Sternday, yeah. Uh the stars, Ryan Reynolds. Now I know he has played every single role as Deadpool since Deadpool, uh, whether he was Deadpool or not, but this is well before Deadpool, so he's fine in this. Uh Melissa George is in this, probably most well known to our audience from 30 Days of Night. She was also in Triangle. Do you guys remember?

SPEAKER_04 45:05

I didn't see Triangle. Oh. But Thirty Days of Night, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:08

And uh and The Slap.

SPEAKER_04 45:10

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_02 45:11

Yeah. The TV show and whatever.

SPEAKER_00 45:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:14

And then uh Jimmy Bennett, Jesse James, Philip Baker Hall, Isabel Connor, and a very, very young Chloe Grace Morris in her first theatrical role. I thought she was pretty solid. She was great.

SPEAKER_04 45:25

I immediately recognized her. I was like, it's Chloe!

SPEAKER_02 45:28

She looks just like she looks like a child version of the adult she is.

SPEAKER_04 45:34

100%. Yeah. No, she was she was really good.

SPEAKER_02 45:37

Um, okay, Miss Fucking movie.

Awful Opening And Early Hauntings

SPEAKER_04 45:40

I can't believe this movie.

SPEAKER_02 45:42

First of all, this needs to open with the if they're gonna steal everything, this needs to open with the original music with law. It doesn't. It just goes right into this horrible shitty no.

SPEAKER_04 45:54

Reenactment. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:57

Yeah, that was dumb.

SPEAKER_02 45:58

So we get the rundown on the DeFail murders, except this time Jody is one of the kids and she is killed in the closet when her brother goes on his murderous rampage.

SPEAKER_04 46:07

Uh I how did you get through this? Because my I thought I was gonna have a seizure. I literally thought I was gonna have a seizure.

SPEAKER_01 46:14

Yes, it is really bad.

SPEAKER_04 46:16

Black, orange, black, orange, black. Oh, I was like, there needs to be a warning. Like it is minutes and minutes long at the beginning. Oh my god, it was so rough to watch. No wonder, yeah. Now that you say it's a music video director, I'm like, that rings so true.

SPEAKER_02 46:34

Yeah, for sure. Um so we we get that, and it's um so I guess Jody is the name that uh Jay Anson gave the youngest daughter in the book. Now, in the original movie, they make Jody the creature, you know, the pig creature.

SPEAKER_00 46:52

Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:54

But uh anyway. So then we uh jump forward and we meet our protagonists, George and Kathy Lutz and their kids. Um one of which, Billy, is 12 and already a real fucking asshole.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

Yeah, no shit.

SPEAKER_04 47:07

He's just like a caricature of like the shitty bully kid.

SPEAKER_02 47:11

Well, he's also uh I mean, they're trying to say that, you know, their dad just died and he's having a hard time. Listen, my dad came into a pre-made family. Um, but I was really the only one he had to deal with, and I was terrified of him. So I wasn't going to I wasn't going to be an asshole.

SPEAKER_00 47:28

And Ryan Reynolds would see him come in there, he takes off that shirt and starts chopping. I'm not gonna fuck with this guy. So, right?

SPEAKER_04 47:38

Or whatever. I don't I didn't want to count, but I was like, this is a lot of muscles.

SPEAKER_02 47:42

Except the the first thing we get of him is him inviting the kid into the bed and having a good time. And I'm like, he's he's trying so hard. So it really turns the Billy kid into the asshole. Yeah. Also, let's normalize calling 12-year-olds assholes. I'm totally fine with it.

SPEAKER_04 47:57

Uh, he made some pretty bad eggs though. So I get the complaint there. Those were completely runny. They were completely runny, and then he dumped them and they were scrambled. And I was like, all right, I mean, yeah. But those you shouldn't feed your children raw eggs even in the freaking 60s.

SPEAKER_02 48:14

So uh typical stuff. Um, the kids are at school and George and Kathy go to look at the house. I noticed that they have changed the address of the house from 112 Ocean Avenue to 412 Ocean Avenue, uh, which I'm guessing is to give the new owners a fucking break.

SPEAKER_00 48:28

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

Gotta be.

SPEAKER_00 48:30

The high hope sign was nice too.

SPEAKER_02 48:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:33

Yeah, because that's that that was really there. I love that they did that. I was glad it was really I because I thought that's gotta be real, because that's really cheesy if it's not.

SPEAKER_02 48:42

Oh, I forgot that I was gonna make the whole thing like we used to do the episode with the books. The the original book um that's written about the trial is called High Hopes. And it's because of the sign that the house was called High Hopes.

SPEAKER_00 48:56

They they upgraded the shit out of this house, though. Love the house, huh? I mean, you you walk to the original Emilyville, of course, it's also a 70s version of a house, so everything's a lot smaller. But it's a lot smaller, and this one's like this is big. This place is huge. Dark wood everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 49:12

Oh, and the big fucking stairwell and everything. Um, yeah, I love that they do the tour of the house, and the this time um the realtor actually sees a shadow and says nothing. Yeah, it's like, wow, that real bitch. She's a fucking sale, man. I really was hoping. I was like, I bet you she dies in this, right? Because uh she's got to take a little bit of accountability.

SPEAKER_04 49:36

No, no, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_00 49:37

She totally disappears after the sale.

SPEAKER_04 49:39

Exactly. She's moved on, she's got other stuff to do.

SPEAKER_02 49:43

Yeah. Anyhow, they can't believe the deal they're getting on this amazing movie or on this amazing house. And um, we get a montage of them fixing up the house to some very mid-2000s music. And I was like, why wouldn't they go for something from the period? Yeah, would it kill you to please fog hat man?

SPEAKER_04 50:01

The year's 2005. I want you to remember.

SPEAKER_02 50:06

Um, side note on that though, I did appreciate like the Alice Cooper posters and the Kissy shoes and all that shit. So that was cool.

SPEAKER_04 50:12

I will say I had one costume gripe, which was when they decide to christen the house and have sex that first night. She's wearing underwear that did not exist in the 70s. She had like a lacy thong thing. I was like, I'm sorry, but there's no fucking way. Uh-uh. That undie did not exist at that time.

SPEAKER_02 50:27

That was like that scene. I I watched it over and over and uh I agree.

SPEAKER_04 50:34

Thank you. That's all, that's all I care about.

SPEAKER_02 50:38

Um also during that sex scene, we get the thing that really fucking pisses me off, which is Jody, the ghost of Jody hangs herself in front of him. Yeah, this is not the way she died.

SPEAKER_04 50:49

I know why is she like doing it? Why is she spooking him?

SPEAKER_00 50:52

She's a fucking asshole. What can I do? That'll freak him out. I know I was shot, but guess what I'm gonna do?

SPEAKER_04 51:00

All of these ghosts are like, oh, but what if I'm drowning? And then like, you didn't drown, sir, ma'am. Uh uh. Like, what do you do? Like, we have the little girl hanging, and then he's like in the middle of like, you know, and then he's just he's got his hot wife, and at first I was like, oh, they're gonna keep going. And then he's like, uh-uh, I don't feel good. I'm like, could you just tell your wife you saw like a little hanging ghost girl and actually that you're no longer in the mood?

SPEAKER_00 51:27

I think I know why this house is so cheap.

SPEAKER_02 51:30

First night that might be the wrong thing to say to your wife. It does it does turn Jody into basically, I mean, if she's just doing this to scare, she is now um Casper the ghost's three fucking uncles who just like to scare ghosts, you know, they just want to murder people through fear. Uh stretch, fatso, and uh stinky.

SPEAKER_04 51:50

Oh, I'm glad you remember.

SPEAKER_02 51:52

We used to know how to give nicknames. We were a proper country. Um Chelsea, though, the the daughter, has made friends with Jody.

SPEAKER_00 52:03

What the hell, man? If that how how you send across from a ghost that looks like that, you're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_02 52:09

She's basically a Japanese girl ghost, right? With the hanging black hair and everything.

SPEAKER_04 52:15

She's like black and white, and she's just like I mean, that was probably one of the creepiest moments, is when the mom walks up there and the chair is just sitting in a nice, like, you know, viewpoint, and you know, she's talking to her. I was like, oh, that's like a little creepy.

Jump Scares And Ghost Rules

SPEAKER_02 52:27

You make such a good point here. That was a creepy shot. And it's like, okay, you guys had the ability to do something with this movie, but most of the time they go for the jump scare or the cheapest fucking thing, and in every decision, it's like this is the wrong decision.

SPEAKER_04 52:44

And maybe this is too early to mention this, but like the number of jump scares where no character sees the ghost, only the audience. And I was like, what is this? What is this decision? Why am I seeing a ghost? And no, like the this movie should be an avatar for the characters' fears that I am experiencing through them, not just like a fun little whoo audience. Look at this spooky thing that nobody sees.

SPEAKER_02 53:11

I think the thing to keep in mind is this is 2005. Ring was 2000. This is only a couple of years after the Japanese craze has hit us. And I think that, you know, these guys are like, we're not sure how to make a scary movie anymore.

SPEAKER_04 53:27

Yeah, I think you're right.

SPEAKER_00 53:29

I remember first time we watched, I think we talked about this way early on. And the beats are just all the beats are off. Way off. Yes. Uh it's and it's not, it doesn't feel intentional. A lot of that's that can be done to a great effect to to mess with your expected beats. But it feels like I'm going to mess with the beats, but I don't know how I'm messing with it. I just feel like I need to mess with it.

SPEAKER_04 53:50

Near the end, I was like bored by the jump scares. I was like, there were so many happening so rapidly, I was just like completely not at all shocked. I was like, all right.

SPEAKER_02 54:03

Part of the problem is um we all know how a film is supposed to be structured, right? So you've got um you've got your mid-actor turning point and all that stuff, but you've also got the arcs of your characters. But because they are for some reason deciding to follow most of the book, we don't get any of those arcs as a film.

SPEAKER_01 54:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:22

So now you're left talking exactly what you said was the beats are not where they're supposed to be in a film. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 54:30

So crazy.

SPEAKER_02 54:31

Um, let's see, right off the bat, Jody has Chelsea doing weird stuff like standing on the edge of a boat, standing on the edge of a roof.

SPEAKER_04 54:40

That's a pretty impressive. I thought it was gonna be an illusion. And I was like, oh shit, they're climbing up there. Like the girl is on the roof.

SPEAKER_02 54:46

That's fucking ridiculous because all of a sudden that roof is taller than all of the trees that surrounded. I mean, it's so high. It would be it would be a 30-foot roof in real life, which is a fall that will kill you. But it was like 80 feet for this scene.

SPEAKER_04 55:00

It was a skyscraper. Yeah, it was like a mansion.

SPEAKER_02 55:04

It was ridiculous. But what I love about this, I I really wish they had just said, look, nobody cares what this is anymore. Let's just make a movie that that has some cool stuff in it. And the idea that Jody wants her dead so she can have a playmate is a good idea. That's a great idea.

SPEAKER_04 55:23

It does again make Jody the worst ghost in the house, though.

SPEAKER_01 55:27

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:29

It's crazy. I mean, it's crazy because they want to be like, well, there's the guy who murdered everybody and there's other things. But no, Jodi, the little shitty girl who actually seemed really sweet in the opening when she got murdered, is going to murder the kid because she's lonely and wants a playmate.

SPEAKER_02 55:45

We don't know she was sweet. All we get to see is her cowering. She doesn't want to die. That doesn't make somebody sweet.

SPEAKER_04 55:49

Well, she says she says something that's not terrible. I I think she said something like, What's going on or what's wrong?

SPEAKER_00 55:55

Uncle blah blah blah, or which then you could have taken her and made her the sympathetic ghost, which would have been a good friend for the I don't think they know what they're doing. Then you've got the older the guy who did all the QS.

SPEAKER_04 56:08

Because they try they put that in the dialogue. They write her saying, He makes me do things, and um the there's one really bad ghost here. I don't think that ghost hardly ever he like that is not the instrument of most of this movie. Like it's very, very weird to try to make her sympathetic, but then have her be the most dangerous ghost in this home.

SPEAKER_02 56:30

Also, you bring up what would have been a more interesting storyline again is this idea that there's a bunch of ghosts in this house and they don't like each other.

SPEAKER_00 56:38

Sure. And I'm like, that's a cool idea.

SPEAKER_02 56:40

We haven't seen that yet.

SPEAKER_00 56:41

So family that lives together as ghosts, he's gonna have some issues.

SPEAKER_04 56:45

Yeah, no kidding, especially when one of them offed all the rest. The amount of silent treatment that ghost would have gotten.

SPEAKER_02 56:52

For sure. Except that he dies in prison just a couple years ago.

SPEAKER_04 56:57

You are so right.

SPEAKER_02 56:59

Anyway, George is starting to have his dreams. Um, he's dreaming of the DeFeo murders and walking around without his shirt on. And I remember this is the first time we see, you know, because before this, Ryan Reynolds was um, you know, a romantic comedy guy.

SPEAKER_00 57:14

And uh now has done Blade Two yet, right? Or Blade Three, where he's kind of just the goofy jokey guy.

SPEAKER_02 57:20

I don't rem oh, you know what? I don't know where that lands on this, but I do remember seeing this the first time going, Jesus Christ, this guy's fucking ripped.

SPEAKER_04 57:28

Considering he's like a thought.

SPEAKER_02 57:29

Especially for 1975. Yeah, no shit.

SPEAKER_04 57:33

I don't see him work out that much in this. I mean, his arms should be buff, but he chops a lot of wood, you know. He chops a lot of wood.

SPEAKER_02 57:41

There's that other thing where um where George goes into the closet that uh that uh Jody was murdered in, and we see Jody being held up against the ceiling. He doesn't see it. He doesn't see it. We see it, and we're like, okay, who's doing all this? Now it does finally get explained because you're like, well, who are the other ghosts in this house? It would just be her her family, right? Right. But no, it's not. Um let's see. Here my note here says, there is so much wrong with this movie. Um yeah, as they try to update it to present-day haunted house movie, it's filled with jump scares and moments made to creep you out, but no confidence in its scares. It won't linger on a shot without having something actually happened in it. That was part of the um the stuff in the original movie that made it creepy, is you just get a shot down the hallway and nothing was happening. Yeah, but the music was like, you know, and you're like, what is this? And there was nothing. You just go on to whatever, but you were left going, this house is fucking creepy.

SPEAKER_04 58:43

That's that is the best kind of creeps. Like, that's why that chair thing works, is because you don't see what's in it. Yeah, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:50

Trinity was Blade Trinity was the year before this.

SPEAKER_02 58:52

Okay, so I had done that. I don't remember if he goes shirtless in that one, but he's probably he's he's already, you know, going, I want to be in movies like this.

SPEAKER_01 59:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:02

Strike two, blade three, and then this. Way to go, Ryan. Um all right, my favorite part of the movie, Lisa the babysitter, shows up.

SPEAKER_04 59:12

Oh my god, insane. Absolutely insane. Her showing up with like taking off her coat and having essentially like a bra shirt, and then everyone, no one's mentions anything.

SPEAKER_02 59:25

The kid notices and George notices to send her home.

SPEAKER_04 59:30

But it's funny because they're like, eh, this will be fine.

SPEAKER_02 59:33

It was a different time, Vanessa. Um she's my favorite character. It's not because she's smoking hot and very slutty. Um it's not because she asks the 12-year-old boy if he Frenches.

SPEAKER_04 59:48

I was like, does she actually want the answer to that? Because I'm stopping.

SPEAKER_02 59:52

The answer is yes, kids.

SPEAKER_04 59:54

I appreciate how much she likes pop.

SPEAKER_00 59:56

Yes, I don't know what that is, but I'm willing to learn.

SPEAKER_02 59:59

No, she is my favorite character because she knows the history of the house and she isn't afraid to use it to scare the kids that she is babysitting. Oh, she is pretty rough. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:08

She's pretty rough to those kids.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:09

My kind of girl. Um while she's doing that, George and Kathy are having a date and everything. And so we are establishing that as long as you get George out of the house, yeah, the the taint of the evil is is important for this really stupid ending. Yeah. But I'm like, okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:30

The thing that bugged me about this is it is the most mediocre Italian restaurant of all time for their big day and night. I was like, you guys cannot be having a good time here.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:40

First of all, they're in Amityville. So, you know, it's it's it's a tiny table. 1974. You know.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:50

So you grew up in a too small of a town, which didn't even have like it didn't have anything. Twin Floors was big enough to have those kind of restaurants. Yeah. And that was very similar to the Sandpiper, which was the fancy restaurant at that time. Oh, I see. So I it fits the small town.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:07

That's fine. I was just really sad for them when I watched them get away from their kids for a night. And I was like, oof. Well, we had guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:13

We had um, you know, an Italian restaurant in Bellingham. It was called Cascade Pizza. And, you know, it uh it also had spaghetti. There you go. Yes. So it didn't, it didn't that one didn't rub me. Um uh so the babysitter, she tells the kids that DeVoe killed his brothers in their room, but then she says, in these very beds. And I'm like, are we to believe that the Lutzes then find out that people were murdered in the house and they keep the beds? Very weird. I very broke. Saying that to scare them or if that was true.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:51

I I look, I don't know what you did for real estate in the 70s if you were just like, hey, this house is furnished. I guess I'm just gonna live in these old people's uh previous owners.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:00

I mean, that that was a thing, but I don't know that if you found out somebody was murdered, you'd be like, You think that'd be like a stained bed as well?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:09

There might be you take the sheets off to change and go, well they should have an opening scene of them like pulling the like fitted sheet over to hide the blood stains.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:19

Oh listen, I don't want to spoil anything, but uh as we saw at the very end of this, the house just resets itself. So it's true. There's no stage.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:26

It does it a couple times in the movie, it doesn't just do it at the end.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:30

Um babysitter gets trapped in the closet.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:33

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:34

I uh I'm fine with this except that the slats are so thin.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:39

You can really bust through those pretty much why didn't she just use her tongue?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:42

We started doing push-ups with it earlier. I was just like, come on, honey, if you can't break through this slot, then you know, it was it was ridiculous.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:49

Yeah, yeah. She could have kicked her way out of that so fast. I have accidentally broken those slats before.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:56

That's not a lot of two little things holding on the side. You're absolutely right.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:00

You you can accidentally break that fall over and be like, whoops, I leaned on it, and now four of them fell out.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:08

Um, okay, so this is where we start getting a little bit different from the original movie, but believe it or not, this kind of bullshit is in the book. Um, we get these little hints of the catch them, kill them.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:20

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:21

Um, it shows up in the magnets in the refrigerator, and George starts hearing whispers of this, and it leads him to a dream about a hidden underground basement in the house, which appears to be a torture dungeon. I'm sure it's fine though.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:33

I was trying to work out so hard what it was. I was like, okay, so you the you lay on the thing and then blood goes in, then it pours out, and then it goes through the floor in like a straight line. I was I was really trying to work it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:45

Well, it would be great if you had like the circle of those, and they and then the blood.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:50

They all came into like a pentagram or something and then fire in the middle or holy water that's been tainted.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:57

A lot more style than this movie, yeah. You're just represented in that one.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:01

Right. Right. Um he finally goes to get himself checked out at the doctor's. This actually happens in the book, but not in the original movie. And I was like, this is this is a good scene for George because it shows that he's still got a little bit of himself in there, and then never again. Now, also remember this all takes place in 28 days.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:20

Yeah, I would have thought though that the I mean, maybe this wasn't a thing at that point, but wouldn't they have been like maybe there's a gas leak or something? Because if he's so foggy and messed up and weird in the house, wouldn't they have thought some kind of environmental factor would be an issue? Because I okay, you don't have a tumor, you don't have anything physically obviously wrong, but you can still be like, there's obviously something in this house that's messed up with you, not just here's psychiatrist Bill, go talk to him.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:47

Well, that is that's a great point. Um, but no, I don't think there was anything like that because you can watch um ghost hunter shows all day, even now. Very few people know what the side effects of carbon monoxide poisoning is, which is anxiety and paranoia and the fear of you know, something is watching you and all of this stuff. Every every fucking haunted house is probably carbon monoxide poisoning. But um, no, they did not know that back then.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:16

So another weird thing that happens as he develops, as he goes darker, he quips. You know, there's a Ryan run on the sides and stuff. How much of that is he gets really bad living? Yeah, because like this seems out of character for where he is now.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:33

Yeah, yeah, it does seem really weird, like the things he starts saying are so far away from his own personality that you're like, is this supposed to be your inner monologue normally? Because if so, you're not so nice a guy. Yeah. It just becomes like a different maybe that's meant to be a different person, but well, in the original, we're we're meant to think that um Ronnie is somehow but Ronnie is still alive.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:00

So we're not it's not that. It's whatever possessed Ronnie to do this is possessing George to also do this eventually. And we'll we'll find out what that is. Um so this is that stuff you're talking about where we um where the beats are all wrong. This works a lot better in the original movie, I think. Um the she goes to talk to the priest now at this point in the movie. We're we're you know about halfway through the film, yeah. And um and she tells me, you know, I I live in the house, and the guy's like, oh boy. So he goes there, and um, and of course we get the big budget version of the flies and all of that stuff, and I'm like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:46

That scene felt like, oh shit, we need this scene in the Ammyville movie because it's like one of the most famous scenes in the original. Yeah, so we'll just tack it on and forget about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:55

Yeah, because in the original, remember, well, first of all, it's Ron Steiger, so you're you're gonna get, you know, a real ham of an actor just chewing up the scenery. And this guy, this guy this pissed me off because I'm looking at him going, I can't think of him. That's Mr. Woodhouse from from Welcome Back Cotter, right? So I was angry through the whole thing, and then I looked it up and it's not Mr. Woodhouse. Oh, really? No, he's just been in so many other TV shows that I recognized him and I thought he was Mr. Woodhouse. So that one's um, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:23

I did think he was a little like flaky because it was like they weren't even like horse flies. So it's looked like they're biting him, they're just normal flies. And yeah, it's a lot. But couldn't you have like continued the exorcism from outside?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:33

A tidal wave of flies, you wouldn't be like, ugh.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:36

I'd be gross out, but I wouldn't be like, I can't step foot in this location.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:42

I think I think that would be the thing, especially if I'm a priest who has any kind of belief that something might be wrong in this house and that happens. That would be the thing that I would then say, you guys, well, you've got a real problem. I know I think I've called everybody out.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:55

Yeah, like he should be calling the freaking, he should be calling the Vatican at that point.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:59

Like his if he's doing his job appropriately, he should be getting like the proper exorcist like calling going. Yeah, I'm sorry, as a good Catholic, you wouldn't just be like, I'm getting in my car, buy never again. You'd like pull it up the chain, or you continue the exorcist. I'm just gonna get to battle Satan. That's a dream. I kick ass for the Lord. You should be like, Yes, I'm here for it.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:25

Uh no, and then uh and then you know, we are also robbed of the amazing scene from the original, which uh has Rod Siger looking up at the the Virgin Mary statue as it crumbles and he goes blind.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:37

Yeah, yeah, that I would get. Like you're blind, and like, you know, that when you're incapacitated on some level. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:45

Yeah. Um well, there is some pretty creepy stuff now with George cutting firewood and making the kids hold it for him.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:52

I have so much to talk about with the firewood. Okay, I'm sorry. As somebody who is very intimate with firewood, because I think because we used to do cords of wood at our place too.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:02

So I'm curious what you're gonna say.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:04

100% who whose log cabin as a child was only heated by firewood. So, okay, first of all, the basement, I don't understand how this house heats itself. There are three tiny pieces of kindling into a wood stove that heats three floors with this huge home. I was like, that kindling would have gotten burnt up in like, I don't know, 20 minutes, maybe. And also, that's not how a heating system would work. Next, okay, he's chopping wood, fine, whatever. But when he like makes the kid build the cord of wood and then all of a sudden it's dark out, I was like, first of all, that's like a quarter of a cord. That's not even a full cord. That would have taken you an hour or two, unless it kept falling over and over again, and you kept like messing up and having to redo it. The worst part about the scene is the fact he's not wearing gloves. And that kid has gotta have like hands filled with splinters, and that should have been in the movie. That would have been uh what daddy did to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:03

Good call. Um, I guarantee you that the writer of this has never cut or stacked wood in his life.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:08

He just loves it.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:12

Yeah, and that poor kid just holding the like three pieces. All right, I'm gonna carry this over like five feet, I guess. Like, what are we doing, guys? Come on. Him holding the wood though, and then Ryan Reynolds being like, hold it still while I chop that was pretty freaky. That was that was stressed me out. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:31

Plus, he's starting to see like the demon faces and stuff like that. So, and I I was like, Oh, are we gonna just turn him into an axe wielder in this movie? Which I'm I'm fine with. I think that's a lot scarier than that would have been really cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:43

That would have made the ending of this film so much more interesting rather than him getting a ghost gun. I don't understand where the gun came from. Yeah, some ghost made a gun for him, and he was like, now I'm gonna shoot people.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:56

Um now we get to a uh a supremely unforgivable act on the part of the filmmakers, which is they have him kill the dog.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:03

I know brutally too massive.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:06

He thinks it's a demon attacking him, but that's still as a film watcher, unforgivable, right? At this point, I'm like, I cannot wait for this guy to die.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:16

Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:18

And I hope it's by devil dogs. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:20

This is now an unsalvageable character.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:23

Yeah, yeah. So there's no coming, like, there are so many moments where you're like, I don't care how nice you are 20 feet away from your house. Like, you've done some bad shit. Like these these kids, this family should not trust you.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:37

It's also it's the one thing that um that uh redeems George in the original movie is he goes back for what was the dog's name? Harry, I think. Uh he goes back and rescues him out of the well of hell, and you're kind of like, I forgive everything George did because you know he he goes back and saves the dog. It's it God, it's such simple storytelling. Um, it reminded me of uh Drag Me to Hell. Remember when she has to kill the cat to try and break the curse? At that point, I was lost completely. I was like, I cannot wait for you to die. Yeah, you're gonna kill not just a cat, but your cat?

SPEAKER_04 1:12:13

Yeah, absolutely not. Not happening.

Library Research And Ketchum Lore

SPEAKER_02 1:12:18

Okay. Um, let's see. Then we finally get um one of these uh old school um I'm going to the library to research my house and look at the microfiche.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:28

She spent so long at the library. I was like, she really goes down a rabbit hole, too.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:32

I can't believe she made the connections between like well, you know, it'd be almost impossible to make those connections, but for the story, she has to figure out that the house was built on the site of a mission, maybe is the original mission. And um the guy who built it, let's see. Uh he killed a bunch of Native Americans there, so it acts as an Indian burial ground as well as the other shit. So uh I guess that's why the ghosts don't get along. Um, afterlife racism and shit like that. And then the missionary's name is Jeremiah Ketchum, which sounds suspiciously like catchem. Crazy kill 'em. Ketchum. Kill him.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:13

But not speaking.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:14

I've seen this movie more than once in the last 10 years, and I forgot about it. And when it happened, I was like, motherfucker.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:20

It's so bad.

Escape By Boat And Reset Ending

SPEAKER_02 1:13:24

Um, uh, meanwhile, George has found the torture, the real torture dungeon, and catch him has his hooks in him. Uh, Kathy comes home to find that George has fashioned a bunch of personalized caskets for the entire family. Pretty good.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:35

And very crude, like the caskets are pretty well built, and then he's just written crudely and mark on the side their names.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:41

It's like he heard the car coming.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:42

He's like, I got better stuff. And then you put little crosses on the top of each of them. I was like, that was very Christian.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:48

Where do you get those? Um, but this is enough to start the escape from the house, and this is where George starts hunting after them with a shotgun. Um, the shotgun, is it a ghost gun? It I don't know where else it would come from. Because it's not the gun that Ronnie Yeah, it's not a rifle.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:04

It's not the rifle from Ronnie. I don't know then because like I figured it was a ghost gun because it's a ghost teddy bear. So I was like, if the ghost teddy bear exists, then surely the ghost gun exists.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:14

I like it. Yeah, that makes sense. Um the house is starting to pull his usual tricks of slamming doors before they get get out and a massive storm is happening outside, thunder and lightning, and all that.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:22

Do you think the house wouldn't let you break a window? Because that was my big I was like, could she just like take something and slam through the window and like get out?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:30

Original, I thought they tried something like that, or maybe it was in part two of the possession where they're like hitting a chair against the window and the window won't break. And I'm like, you know, that's cool. The house is like, oh no, no, this is not this is ghost class. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:43

Exactly. I just want to see, I just want to see that level of effort. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:47

Um, and then finally, so this time they escape the house via boat. Yeah. Uh, and once again, as George gets away from the influence of the house, he is better, almost miraculously better. It is like a stunningly bad ending to a bad thing. This is crazy.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:02

And when those kids are like, why are we taking him with us? Yeah, this guy who literally just tried to murder her children. Yeah. Her fucking children in front of her, and like they've hawk tight end, but I'm still like, I went to the Italian restaurant, he's gonna be fine.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:15

Yeah, is he gonna be with me?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:17

And yeah, they're they're definitely gonna think this daddy substitute's gonna be the nicest guy after all of this. I will totally forgive all of the abuse that we just suffered.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:27

Before the end, did I miss did they do anything with the dog? Did his mother just say he's running away or after he killed it? Oh how did he do it?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:37

They they do uh say that they can't find him.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:40

And that's that's what I thought. I was like, surely they must have done more than that. Nope, that's all they did.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:44

Okay, ask if he's like seen him or what just ask about him.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:48

And then he's kind of mentally tortured because he can hear the dog barking.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:51

Yeah, and I'm like And then he lays on the dock with no shirt on, just being sad. Yeah. I was like, all right.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:57

He's got the key reason for being there. Well, I called that the ending, but uh let's not forget the completely superfluous shot of Jody in the house as it resets itself so that none of the damage is seen, and then she gets dragged down to hell by the other ghosts.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:12

Well, she's standing there and it gets reset, and she's sad that her, yeah, she's alone again. And I'm like, was it actually just her the whole time? Was Ketchum just like eh, not really the bad thing? Was it just her being like, I need friends, and she made all of this? Because that's the insinuation up until the arms come out of nowhere and you know, take her down.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:32

Nobody in the making of this movie in the pre-production who was reading the script and designing the ghosts and all, nobody said why.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:41

No, no, not a single time.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:43

So yeah. Um, okay, so the way we usually end these episodes is a do we like this movie?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:49

Honestly, I thought it was better than the last time I watched it. Wow, but that's a low bar. So no, it's still not.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:56

I put this I put this almost at the bottom of all the movies we have talked.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:01

Of that, yeah. Of the series of ones we've watched for this, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:06

To me, it just seemed like such a 2005 shitty horror film that like it was pretty easy to lump it in there. It was pretty fucking bad though. Like, I I did not I did not enjoy it. The wood alone really I was like I spent most of the movie complaining internally about how shitty the uh the way the heating in this house worked, but well, some of the other ones had the the bad entertaining level to them to remember that weird house with the clock.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:32

It's like complex. We would talk about it, and I think pretty much universally we thought the first original movie was the worst of all of the movies. We were like, at least yeah, because it's bad. It's a dumb movie that makes no real sense.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:48

If it didn't, if it didn't have the the real-world attachment story to it, yeah, it was just a regular ghost movie made in the 70s, it would be quite forgotten. No, it's true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:59

And uh, and you know, it's got a couple of really solid actors in it, so it's it's very watchable, but it's it's story-wise, it's kind of stupid, and all the other movies are better than it. I put this below the original movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:11

You know, I will say the fact that the parents' pillows have giant butterflies on them, that's it. I can see I can see putting these like no adult person, even in that time, would have a fucking giant butterfly fucking pillow. You're not 12.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:28

Yeah, yeah. Um let's see. I got some trivia for you guys. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. Uh MGM claimed the remake was based on new information uncovered during research of the original events. Excellent. But George Lutz later claimed nobody ever spoke to him or his family about the project. Uh, when he initially heard it was underway, his attorney contacted the studio to find out what they had in the planning stages and to express Lutz's belief that they didn't have the right to proceed without his input. Uh, three letters were sent and none were acknowledged. In June 2004, the studio filed a motion for declaratory relief in federal court, insisting they had the right to do a remake, and Lutz countersued, citing violations of the original contract that had continued through the years following the release of the first movie. The case remained unresolved when Lutz died on May 8th, 2006.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:20

Also it kind of was resolved.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:22

Let's not forget that George was touring and telling people the whole thing was made up. So he might have had a pretty good case, actually, because it's like, this is my IP.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:31

Yeah. Yeah. So this is my fiction world.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:35

Man.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:37

Uh let's see. Jodi DeFeo, in comparison to her older brother, Ronald DeFeo, as depicted in this movie, is a fictional character. She is loosely based on DeFeo's real life younger sister, Alison, who was actually a 13-year-old girl at the time of her death instead of a young child. Uh the character is taken from Jay Anson's novel, The Amityville Horror, where she had to change the names of the real children for legal reasons.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:01

Well, there you go.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:02

Yeah. Uh on the bio program Celebrity Ghost Stories, Melissa George confirmed the supernatural feelings she had on the set when the cameras were not rolling. Also, during production, she, along with the rest of the casting crew, learned that the real Kathy Lutz, whose story inspired the movie, had sadly passed away before shooting was finished. Also, what the fuck? Uh, this wasn't shot at the house. That's what I'm gonna say. It was shot, shot on a fucking set. So fuck you with your nonsense of ghostly feelings.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:30

I mean, I feel like anytime you open a door towards talking about demons, yeah, I think that there's stuff out there.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:37

How many times have we done that just here at my place?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:39

Well, that's different when you're like not trying to communicate with the other side.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:44

Yeah, let's do a trick-or-treat ritual.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:46

So, yeah, if we start like trying to make a major motion picture where we're like showing off like demons making their way into or other beings making their way into our plane of existence. And then trying to make money. I mean, like, I'm sure with um uh the old man and stuff where all that stuff was happening, it's not like all the sites they were filming at were haunted.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:10

No, but um, none of this is real.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:15

There's that one actress who you know what you have a good point, and I really have no argument against it.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:22

Well, there's that actress who build it to support you. Like she won't allow horror films to be shown into her house because that opens a portal to Deming in.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:30

That's incredible.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:31

Or maybe it's one of those housewives of some damn show, but she made a short brief tour of talk show Facebook things and stuff when she said that. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:45

This is interesting. So this was the last picture MGM released as an independent company. I didn't realize they would have been considered an independent company. But on April 8th, 2005, the studio was acquired by several companies, including Sony for a brief period uh in the middle of promotion for this movie. Uh James Vanderbeek, rest in peace, turned down the role of George Lutz for this film.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:06

I think he would have been an interesting choice.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:08

I think so too. And that might have um given him, you know, a new life as uh as an adult serious actor.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:15

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:16

Uh and finally, in real life, the Lutz's family dog Harry did survive.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:21

That's good.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:22

So I also like to finish with a review from my favorite reviewer. Okay. John Jacob Taylor.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:29

Oh, Joy, before you start that, yeah. It was the Full House star, Candace Cameron Brew or something. Oh, okay. Somebody from Fall House. Oh, yeah, she's because that's far more entertaining. I wanted to get this mundane shit out of the way first.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:41

So John Jacob Taylor has reviewed all of the uh Amityville movies so far, and uh he has let's say a style. Um, first of all, he gives it 10 out of 10 and titles his review, Do Not Watch This Movie Alone. Oh, I'm going to read this as it is written. This is scarier than the original The Amityville horror from 1979. This is scarier than Amityville 2, The Possession. It is scarier than Amityville 3, the demon. It is scarier than Amityville 4 Evil Escapes. It is scarier than Amityville It About Time. It is scarier about than Amityville A Generation. The Amityville Cure is better. The Amityville Dollhouse is also scarier. Still, this is a great movie. It has a great storyline. It also has great acting. It also has great special effects. Six is underrating this movie. I give it 10 out of 10 because it is a great film. If this film does not scary you, then no movie will. I need more line and I am running out of things to say.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:44

Incredible.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:45

Yeah, if by some miracle you ever watch or listen to our podcast, please call us. We are not making fun of you. We love what you're doing here. This is awesome stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:56

Please leave a review of our podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:58

Yes. That would be great. This podcast is scarier than.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:02

Yeah. Yeah. Um that's it, you guys. This was probably the final episode of the Amdeville Horror Picture Show. And this show was so good that I am going to make a tape of it and take it to the Museum of Broadcasting after you guys leave.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:20

I love it. So excellent. I'm I'm in it with it for all of time in a building somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:28

Yeah, well, well, I'm just happy that we were able to finally attack this film.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:35

I've been wanting, I mean, I've held off for a long time.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:38

You know, I'm gonna watch. No, no, no. I I actually went through a Ryan Reynolds like moment where I was trying to watch as much of his movies as I could, and uh I put I put this one up just for you.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:49

Yeah, well, um, so going back to our regular Strange Eons uh radio show, um, that means, Eric, that you have the topic for the next I do, and uh our new format seems to be catching on with some people, and it's also fun for us, I think.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:06

So let's keep doing the one movie. Okay. This time I'm going to somehow keep with period pieces. I'm not sure why. Not like I'm a heavy period piece watcher, but Rosencrantz and Gilden Stern are dead.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:18

Oh, all right. Wow, that's what we're watching.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:23

Okay. Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:24

I'm gonna have to dust off my sister, no house.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:26

This is one of those movies kind of like uh I think The Fisher King is another one for me where it's like, I don't know if I want to rewatch these because I enjoyed it so much that I because I I think I've only seen it once. Will it fall off how much I enjoyed it? It's not gonna I'm sure it won't be great as American Hero level or anything like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:47

But this will be a first-time watch for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:49

Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:50

This is what I would consider a homework movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:52

So wow. How times have changed.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:56

Well, I mean, this I felt the same way about Amadeus and I loved it. So um, but there's also movies out there that I, you know, I just have not watched. I've never seen Gandhi. I've never seen Empire of the Sun. I'm aware that these are great movies, but they feel like homework.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:10

Yeah, I'm I'm rather with you.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:11

You'll never see Gene Dillman 23.

Next Movie Pick And Listener Support

SPEAKER_02 1:26:16

I can guarantee you I will never see that. Uh, this is the part of the show where we say thanks to everybody who's out there uh supporting us in whatever way you can. Sometimes that's liking and sharing the posts, sometimes that's just commenting under the YouTube video, sometimes that's sending money our way. That's happening less and less often. After that, called value for value uh means uh if you get some value out of this, put some value back into that. And if money is not something that you can do right now, because fucking times are tight, consider leaving us a review. It it takes very little time and um it means a whole heck of a lot.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:56

How else can I a really big fan, you've already left a review, get a second email.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:02

You know you have one already.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:06

Seems like a bridge too far to ask people to do just to leave a review, but sure, if you have a second email, and you can also do things like call us on the Strange Eons Radio Hotline.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:17

That phone number is 253-237-4266. You can leave us a voicemail, you can leave us a text message, say hey, say what you think of the show, uh, give some suggestions, some feedbacks. We'd love to hear from you.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:29

Yeah, somebody give debronzo a welfare check. You haven't heard from him in a long time.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:35

Well, his Instagram works. Uh this this moment right there, it's the first time your voice sounded really different to me. Because you say the voice, you the way you read that is so consistent and well done every week, every time.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:51

I'm doing the best here.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:52

No, you sounded good. You just sounded different.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:54

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:55

That was incredibly sexy, my son. So keep it up.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:58

It's bad. I know, it's bad. But that's okay. I'm doing my best here. It's gonna be really um, I'm sure next week for the next episode, two weeks from now, my voice quality will be much improved and won't have gotten slightly worse for no reason whatsoever.

Sign-Off And Credits

SPEAKER_02 1:28:13

All right, well, with that in mind, let's uh take off and we'll be back in uh two short weeks. We're talking Rosencranzen Gildenson are dead. See you next time. Transportation and other considerations for Strange Eon's Radio produced by Pan Am Airlines. When you think of traveling, think of Pan Am. You can't beat the experience. Guests of Strange Eon's Radio stay at Econo Lodge Everett. It's an easy stop on the road, you know what it would mean. Strange Eon's Radio is recorded live in front of a studio audience. If you enjoyed this episode, please consider leaving us a positive review on your favorite podcast app. Sit, Ubu, sit.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:50

I I actually went through a Ryan Reynolds like moment where I was trying to watch as much of his movies as I could, and uh I put I put this one off.