Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - Review pt.1

 Y. M. Nelson and Nerdy Romantics guests Staci, Dana, Corey, Perry, and Marcie talk all things Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. This discussion was a lively one where we touched on several topics that this rich movie and the franchise had to offer.
 
We talk everything from Namor to women in Wakanda to colonialism in this lively review of the Marvel sequel. Some topics we discuss:

•  Our first experiences with the first Black Panther
• Our impressions and first thoughts about what the second Black Panther would be 
• Chadwick Boseman's passing and the future of the Black Panther character (*spoilers)
• The societal issues brought up in this movie
• The role of women in Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

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Chapters

• 2:31 First Impressions of Black Panther 1 and 2
• 30:08 New Character Explanations from the Comics
• 36:19 The New Black Panther - Who wants to be a hero?
• 57:21 "Women in STEM" - The women of Wakanda

Transcript

Y. M.: Hello, Nerdy Romantics. Today's episode is about Wakanda Forever, the Black Panther sequel. Wakanda Forever came out in the holiday season of last year. It is now on Disney Plus. At this recording time, and we are going to talk about it, talk about how we feel about it, talk about some of the issues in it, and of course talk about the story and nerd out a little bit about superheroes.

This is the Nerdy Romantics Podcast, and I’m your host Y. M. Nelson [intro music]

And with me here today, I have Marcy, Staci, Dana, Harry, and we have a new guest host Corey. And I want to remind everybody that, like we do with a lot of our reviews, there will be spoilers. So if for some reason you have not seen Black Panther: Wakanda Forever, and you want to see it, Please get out from under that log that you are resting under and please go see it and then come back and discuss with us or come back and listen to us.

 Okay. So Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. When I saw the first Black Panther, I was just like in awe. It was, I have described it as a life-changing experience for me. And I didn't have a podcast at the time, but now that I have a podcast, I would like to talk about Black Panther with God forever.

And I'm so happy to have other people that wanna talk about this with me. You know, I just, I need to talk about it with somebody. So and I'm glad you know, my friends are here. I'm glad we're, we're gonna be able to nerd out a little bit with Perry on this one. And you know, I'm, I'm just excited to talk about this.

So first off Corey, because you're new to our audience you get the first round on these quest on our topics that we're gonna talk about. And I wanted to first discuss kind of how you came into this particular, not this franchise that's Marvel. Although you can talk about that if you want, but kind of how you came into that whole first Black Panther.

How did you find out about it? Are you a fan? And then talk a little bit about your journey back to what time. So Corey, tell us first impressions about this.

Corey: Well, thank you Yvonne. Yes. Okay. So my history with Black Panther I'm a comic book fan. I've read comics all my life. Mainly DC comics, but some Marvel and I've read a few Black Panther comics, but not until I heard rumors about there being a Black Panther movie. I knew about him, but I hadn't really read too many comics.

So I kind of dozed down into some graphic novels and read a couple of things and found out a lot about his history and stuff like that. Like a couple of couple of years before the film actually I'm also a big film buff and, and film fan, so, you know, I follow a lot of, of blogs and I follow a lot of Twitter followers and stuff like that.

We all talk about movies all the time, so I knew that this was happening. And I've also been following the Marvel movie franchise, or the movie universe for since the beginning. So all of this stuff started on rattling. I knew that this was getting ready to happen. So the first film I feel like was a cultural phenomenon.

It's something that it was like they caught lightning in a bottle. Nobody thought that it was gonna have the impact that it did. In, the culture. Nobody thought that it was gonna have the impact that it did with the Marvel universe. Nobody thought that it had the impact that it did with just all of film all around what it did for a lot of African American filmmakers, what it did for a lot of just kids who wanted to be filmmakers, stuff like that.

 It really was lightning in the bottle. It was a movie that brought people to the movies who hadn't been to the movies in a long time, talking about like elderly people, elderly, family, families coming together, children, people dressing up. Like that whole thing was a cultural phenomenon.

Like, we don't know when the last time that a film actually did that. You know, I don't remember other than like maybe a Star Wars or something like that, you know?

Y. M.: right.

Corey: So for me it was just something that I think you may have mentioned or something like that is a life altering, thing.

 This is something like you just experienced once in a lifetime. I felt that when, when I saw it. I think I saw it probably three times in the theater, I believe. And each time I went, it was like you had the exact same feeling over and over. You know how you see a movie more than once. You're like, okay, well the rating may go down a little bit, or you may not have the same type of emotions you have the first time that you see it.

I felt that way every time that I saw it. When I went to the theater my parents saw it. My parents don't go to the movies often at all. I think it was my dad's number one movie for years, you know? My mom talks about it all the time. So like that, that's life changing for everyone, you know? So I really loved it.

I think Chadwick Bozeman is someone who, you know, was perfectly cast for that role. I think that it's irreplaceable. I think that there's only a few people who can do that with certain. You know, they're cast for certain roles and no one else can actually fit those shoes. And I think that they did a wonderful job with what they did with that character , 

as far as this sequel goes do you want me to, you want me to talk about what I think about the sequel? You want me to continue to tell you what I think about the whole Okay.

Y. M.: yeah. Sequel. As far as like your first impression, so now you have this cultural phenomenon, kind of like you said, lightning in a bottle, which is totally true. And now you're going into a sequel. What were your first thoughts and everything going into that?

Corey: So after the first film, I was really excited to see a sequel with the unfortunate events that happened with Chad, with Bozeman, I was extremely nervous. I really did not know what they were gonna be able to do to capture that lightning in a bottle again or something at least close to it. I think that going into this film I felt like they had extremely difficult and impossible shoes to.

I don't feel like this film was going to be as successful as the original because it was impossible with the lead actor , no longer being there. The film is, is not just about Wakanda, it's about Chadwick and about te that without that it's impossible. It's impossible to be as good as it was the first one.

So I kind of went in with low expectations, but I was still excited because of the promotional stuff that they did for this film. I felt like they promoted it well to let you have that mystique of like, how are they gonna be able to do this, but then also put enough emotion behind it to make you come and see this film.

So when I went and saw it, I liked it. I can go into further detail, but I, I liked it, but there's, it's not as good as the original, which I didn't really expect it to be. But there's, there's certain elements that are missing that really don't allow it to carry the weight that the first one did.

You know, but , I think it's an enjoyable film. I think if you saw the first one, you really care about Wakanda really care about. They characters you care about this culture that it's important for you to see. The second one to see. Ryan Kugler had to deal with and what he was actually able to achieve.

Y. M.: yeah, yeah. Marcy, how about you? How did you come into the whole Black Panther? I keep wanting to say franchise, but it's not franchise, but how did you we're introduced by the movie, and then what did you think? Journeying back to Wakanda for the second

Marcie: well, I'm not as big a comic book buff as Corey, but I do have familiarity with the series and some of the graphic novels. So I was excited to see it put on the big screen and given the same presentation as some of the other Marvel superheroes have gotten. So I was really excited for the first one and, you know, dressed up for it, went opening weekend and then like Corey had the pleasure of taking my parents to see it and to have my father see a black superhero on a big screen was fantastic.

Bottom the shirt, he was so excited. Bought the d v D for my mom so they would have it, you know, for, for prosperity cuz it was just that good. And , it was more than I had imagined it would be. So I agree with Corey that losing Chadwick as Black Panther, I think they did the right thing by, in, in, in the way they handled that loss.

Because I do think that there was something about what we now understand about his passion for the first film and what it represented for the culture. And to see ourselves so positively displayed in, in such a large way that I do think that there was. He was truly a tough act to follow.

And so I do think they were coming into the movie at kind of a deficit just because it was such a hard act to follow with him not being part of it. But I think the way that they honored him was, was beautiful. And then I was interested to see where the story was going to go and to see where else they could take us.

Understanding that in the graphic novels, a lot of things have happened and there was more than one Black Panther. So I think they were trying to be true to the storylines that were possible as well. So it was interesting to see that dynamic in the new version in Wakanda Forever. I think that what you bring into it kind of skews your perspective a little bit.

 People who are in different stages of life experience the film in different ways in a lot of places. There was the Wakanda Forever experience, but I think that especially coming off of a pandemic and a season of loss, I think it was really cathartic for a lot of people 

to see someone work through that kind of grief on the big screen, and especially for people of color to see someone work through that was really powerful as well. And so while I, I do think that it had some opportunities that I hope the next film kind of brings together. Overall I enjoyed it.

 Most second films are kind of rocky, so I guess like Corey, I didn't, I didn't have the same expectations as one, and truthfully, most twos are kind of like, ah, cause they're trying to find a new footing. So I think, I think for, for, for a two it was pretty good.

Y. M.: Yeah. Yeah. Perry, what about you? What did you think well, how did you come into the Black Panther movie and the first movie, and what did you think about, first impressions about journeying back to Wakanda?

Perry: So, like Corey, I'm a comic book guy which is why you, you have me on to talk about comic book stuff all the time. And I came to Black Panther originally through the Avengers Comics. , he's been an , on again, off, again, member of the team for, for decades. And. I had a friend who had told me that I had to read the Christopher Priest Black Panther Run.

And it took me a while to get to it. I didn't actually get to it until about 10 years after it started, and then I went back and I read it and I was just blown away by how good that comic was and how amazing he wrote T'Chala and the supporting cast and Wakanda and, all of that. It is all available in graphic novel form.

It's like black Panther by Christopher Priest, the complete collection, it's like four volumes, totally worth the price of it. So that was my introduction to Black Panther and I love that run so much. I went back later to read the Don McGregor's stuff, which influenced the first movie. And so I went in with a lot of the comic knowledge and we had talked about it way early back on, on my podcast, superhero Cinephile and my late co-host who, who was a black man, he had went around for years telling people, betting everybody who would listen $5, that Hollywood would never have the guts to make a Black Panther movie.

So the running joke was he was still had to pay back everybody when it finally came out.

Y. M.: Oh.

Perry: and that movie was so groundbreaking in so many ways. I mean, obviously it's not gonna have the same impact on me being a white guy, but I could easily see. The impact that it would have on everybody else, but it was, it was more than that.

Like, you know, you compare it to some of the other black superhero movies like Meteor Man or, or Blade or any of those other ones. And Black Panther was fearless in a way that none of those other movies were. I mean, it tackled themes of, of race and colonialism in such a direct way. And, you know, wrapping that all up , in Killmonger's story where, you know, I'm watching him on screen and he's one of those, he's like the textbook e example of how to write a great villain because you're watching him and you're like, I don't really think you're doing the right thing, but you've got some good points and it's hard for

Y. M.: Yes,

Perry: disagree with you.

Y. M.: exactly.

Perry: And so I was, and Michael B. Jordan was just brilliant. Going into this movie I was personally of the opinion that they should have recast because they've recasted all the iconic white characters. I mean, you know, Heath Ledger died before the dark Night even came out, and yet we've already had four jokers since then.

If you count the one on Gotham. And so you know, we've had different Superman, we've had different Batman, we've had different Spider-Man. So I, I always felt that you. Why can't we have different interpretations of Tacha as well. But I understand the reasons why they did it, and they kind of, they got, they gave themselves a creative way to bring Tacha back at the end, which I'm sure we'll talk about.

And, and like Marcy said, they did have Shuri take on the mantle and the comics so it made sense for her to step up. I wasn't nervous about the movie going in at all because one of the things that really impressed me about the first movie was how amazing that supporting cast was. And in fact, when we had talked about it on my show, I had actually made the point that as good as Chadwick was in the movie, I felt he was almost overshadowed at times, but all the other great supporting performances too.

So I knew we were in really good footing going into this. So it now watching it twice, there's some things that some of the middle part stuff, it gets a little bit slow for me, but overall I still really like it. It's definitely one of the best of the phase four movies, if not the best. So yeah, I'm, I'm definitely I'm definitely a.

Y. M.: Yeah. I mean, yeah, there's nothing else to say. It's just, yeah. Staci, what about you? What did you, how did you were in, how were you introduced to Black Panther and how did you feel as far as the journey back to Wakanda?

Staci: Okay, well I did not have a background in comics for anything. I mean, if anything about knew more about the comics would be X-Men those before Black Panther, but when they said Black Panther was coming out I was excited, but it really didn't take whole until I saw, you know, everybody was, seemed to be talking.

And when he says about things about the culture I recall like, it seemed like when it came out, everybody was taking their church to it. You know, any kinda group thing. They were, they were taking pictures. I mean, black Panther, bath Panther, everybody was taking pictures and posting them. And the last time I've seen anything like that was maybe they were doing stuff like for hitting figures to take the kids out to see this.

But this one was so much different with everyone, dressing up and putting on shirts and wearing all African attire, no matter how much mix match African attire. But it, but we all were wearing it because we're gonna see Black Panther. And

Y. M.: Yeah,

Staci: it was a great, I mean, overall it was a, it was a great movie and I really enjoyed it.

But I was like, that's like Corey. And I think Marcy said that I was a little bit down for his, at least for me, for the second one, the sequel that was coming out. And it was really I was on the fence about re casting whether they re should recast it or not but how they did it in this movie.

Okay. I was like, you did the great job so you wouldn't have to recast it. We could still spoiler, you could still use the same, same name later on. But overall, The second one was still good. I watched it again last night. So that was the second time for me, but the first time for my parents, and I think overall, if anyone knows my mom, she sat through the whole thing.

So, hey, you can tell right there, that's a good movie.

Y. M.: That is a good movie if you knew her mom. Yes.

Staci: then she sat through the whole thing and watched it and was, and was into it and, and she did ask questions cuz , my mom doesn't really follow any of the comics or the movies or anything like that. So luckily you can stop it and explain certain parts of it.

But the fact that she asked and was, well, what about that? It's like, she could tell that she was into it. I mean, I was already into it, but the fact that a person who really can't sit down for anything except for bingo and can sit down during the whole thing, that to me indicates it's a good mood. 

Y. M.: Especially considering that it's almost three hours long.

Staci: yeah, I really didn't realize how long it was, even the second time. We're stomping it periodically so I can explain certain things and I was like, oh my gosh, it was really three hours, you know? It really, it moved, it was very fast paced. But how they did the first one, I mean, again, with the, the hero villain and that is he really a villain?

Y. M.: right. Exactly.

Staci: he said, he has some good points. And I'm gonna be honest, when we saw Wacon forever so did the villain in the second one had some very good points and I was, for a while there when he said we can, I guess, spoil alert, we said, we can burn this down. I was like, burn it all down. Just burn it all.

And I'm like, technically speaking, you would be the one being burned, but I'm for you. So I really did enjoy the first one and by such a chat with Bowes, it is such a great job in the first one that that's why I was unsure about we re casting him. But like I was said, it was just, the other actors in the movie, I mean his mother, his lo bass's character.

I mean, every time she spoke I was like, queen mother, she just really commanded every scene she was in. And really the whole cast, they were so good that, I'm not saying you don't miss him cause you do miss him, but at the same time they were such good characters, such good forces nature on the screen that it.

As big a gap as I thought it would be.

Y. M.: Mm-hmm.

Staci: So , overall, like the whole Black Panther, I, again, I wasn't really into it. I mean, when it comes to the Marvel, I've watched some of it, but some of it's like I'll watch it because it's another one. But they have never been really something like, oh, I've got to see this.

No., I know it's gonna be a good movie. It it, oh, lemme change that. I, I assume it's gonna be a good movie in most cases. But that was the only one that I really wanted to really catch. And then that's the one who sequel. Like when it said they was gonna come out, I was like, yeah, I do. Kind of wanna see it, but still apprehensive.

Y. M.: yeah, yeah. Well, Dana, what about you? How did you first find out about black Panther, and how did you feel going into that first Black Panther? And now, what were your first impressions when you journeyed back to wa?

Dana: Okay, so first I just wanna preface this by saying I'm not a. Comic book person. The only graphic novel I've never read Walking Dead. And I really just go to the movies for pure entertainment to get me outta the real world, to laugh, to, you know, get scared, rarely to cry. That's not my thing or whatever.

So this is coming from somebody who's not gonna have all that language . Some of the people who are a little bit more I guess deep in this. So I say all that to say that the only reason I came into the whole Marvel thing is really, cuz Corey was watching these movies and I've watched some of them.

I haven't even finished all of the Avenger movies. I still have some of those. And then like all the spinoffs, most of them, I haven't seen. So that kind of tells you like where my mindset is this. So the thing with the whole black Panther, I didn't know anything about the Black Panther, but as a black person, you knew the movie was coming, it was all the talk.

So it was like one of those things that I didn't know anything about. But I knew that this movie was coming and what it represented. And so I knew that I wanted to go and see it. And so as much as we talk about, hey, you know, we heard this movie was supposed to be good, we wanted to see it.

And we wanna support as black people cuz that's what we do. We try to support each other. The flip side to this, we support each other because we know stuff like this happens once in a blue moon, as sad as it is in the 21st century. And that if we don't go support it, it won't happen again. So while we could make, a movie like this and it flop if it's about non-black people or people of color, we may continue to make more.

I mean, there's some movies I'm like, I can't believe there's a second one, but they got another chance. Whereas I think for a studio to put this kind of money behind a movie that really is centering a around people of color, we knew that we have to support it. Even if I went in that movie and didn't like it, I'm still gonna go and spend my dollars to go see it, to show people, hey, this is worth investing in.

 Because people will go and see it. So that's kind of how I got into it. And then of course seeing all the people dressing up, that was just total fun, right? Just seeing all the people in their gear stuff. It was, and it kind of had kinda remind me of someone coming to America and some stuff like that.

But I'll talk about that later. So the first movie for me, I got the same feeling that I got when I saw Avatar for the first time. This is a movie that I was just like, wow. The cinematography, the things I was seeing are things that I was not used to seeing and I was just blown away. I wanted to live in that movie could have just been like a Discovery channel.

Let's visit Wakanda movie with no, you know, villain. Nothing. I wouldn't have cared. I just wanted to stay in Wakanda. Cause I was like, what is this place? How do you do what you do? You know, what does everybody do for a living? How, you know, how does they work? Like I was, I was in love within, obviously it wasn't the biggest part in the movie.

So I was excited about two because I felt like we were gonna spend more time in Wacon. Then of course Chadwick Bozard passed away and. Here's where I kind of, again, I, and I know there's some comic background to who's next and all this other stuff, but I'm one of those people that I have a hard time when there are people who feel like they were born to be a certain character.

I have a hard time when we replace that character with another person and then try to have them be that same character, if that makes any sense. So for example, I'll talk cuz I'm kind my old head on this Superman. When you take the Superman that we grew up, Christopher Reeves and try to replace him with other Superman who are supposed to be doing the exact same role, there's nothing really different.

It doesn't work for me. However, things like The Joker, which I know Perry brought up, was totally different because we took the Joker, the Jack Nicholson joker that we knew, and when we take it and we bring it into the heath ledger, we got a totally different Joker. Yes, they were the same name, but it was a totally different joker.

I couldn't even tell you off the top of my head who came before his ledr between him, you know, in terms as a joker, I'm sure I could think about it harder figured out, but he, it was such a different character and so that's okay to me if you were replaced. But it's, it's not the same character. So for me, like Ironman, Ironman will always.

Robert Down Jr. Like it would don't be no other Ironman for me. But as we know in this movie, they introduced what appears to be a Iron Girl, which I think there's some comics around that or something. I didn't like it, it wasn't my thing. I I, because you know, we know how Ironman became Ironman. We know his origin story, iron Girl, just, and maybe cause she hasn't had her origin story, it just looked like everything was too easy and I didn't like it was, I, I didn't like it.

So I'm interested to see what that's gonna do. And the same thing like with Black Panther. Now here's the, here's the tricky part I think with Black Panther is not only did the writers and the people who produced this have to think about, okay, what the studio execs want. Now we gotta think about what the consumers want, but on a different level because their beloved hero has died in real life.

So, you know, this isn't just a, Hey, we're gonna substitute or do somebody, we, we gotta keep something here. Cuz I think I'm almost with Perry on this. I think I would've liked to see the Black Panther replaced. But you gotta gimme something else about him. Like I said, he can't be somebody replaced, but not trying to be Chad with Bozeman.

Because what they did do by having the sister wear the suit, and again, I don't know anything about the comments, but it was so unrealistic. That it kind of took me, y'all know, it took me out in a movie a little bit cuz I was too much like, this girl will be knocked over by a breeze of wind. She's never practiced this.

She puts on the suit five hot seconds and this is something else they did in the movie at other parts. And now all of a sudden she's, she's got skills. Like, I just thought it didn't make any sense. There were way other people there that I felt like could have taken on that role and would've made more sense.

Again, I don't know what the comic books say, so maybe that doesn't make sense based on the original storyline or whatever. But for me, that really bothered me because I felt like that was more maybe what the people wanted, but not really where the story logically made sense to go. She doesn't wanna be it, and I didn't want her to be it.

I was like, why does, you know, why did we go down this route? I also felt like y'all, I was expecting some major coming to America vibes for the Chadwick Bozeman burial scene . And I got some of that and maybe because I've seen so much in our lifetime, so I guess coming to America maybe was the first time I've seen something like that.

And so it was amazing to me, but I kind of felt like , the Black Panther version was a little light on it. I don't know. It was kind of weird. Like I knew we were gonna get that cuz I was joking. That's why the movie is so long cuz we gotta do a 30 minute, say goodbye scene. And we kind of did, we did a couple of them.

But it didn't trigger me the way I wanted. What I really, the thing that got me the most, that was most impactful in this whole movie to me. And believe it or not, I wasn't Angela Bassett Tamma. You've taken everything from me probably. Cause I saw that in a commercial. But honestly it was the opening to the movie.

That whole Marvel word song was nothing but Chad with Bozeman, it was completely silent, most beautiful thing about that entire movie all together. It gave me

Y. M.: Amazing. Yes. Amazing.

Dana: so I like Corey and Marcy and probably others. I was nervous going into two because we, most twos aren't as good as one. We already, set expectations, right?

When we go see one, we don't have any expectations. It's easier to blow our mind. But in two now, I got some expectations of what things should look like and how it should go. So twos usually aren't better. So I, I was worried. But I knew that we would supported because again, like I said earlier, that's what we do and we know if we wanna see anything else that will continue to support it.

So I'll stop there cuz I got opinions, but I know everybody else does too. So I'm gonna go ahead

Y. M.: Well, yes. Everybody else does. Cause you brought up some stuff here. I mean, I've already written some notes, but, first with those notes, I wanna ask Corey and Perry to jump in here. So we had a few new characters and as y'all out there know, 

I was not a comic book reader. Not a comic book fan. But I consider comic books can. So they are the resource information for these movies. And I'm not a purist in the sense that, you know, it has to go like the comic book. But that's my reference point. And I feel like with I think she's called Ironheart, the scientist who,

Perry: Ironheart.

Y. M.: yeah, so Ironheart and then AOE the general put on a soup and is somebody there?

So is that comic book anything? Or did they do this for this movie or, I, is this more M C U driven now that, yeah.

Marcie: So Midnight Angel is a real character too, right? A Koe.

Perry: Yeah. She takes on that identity in the, I think it's the Taha Coats run, I believe.

Y. M.: Oh, okay. That.

Marcie: And there's a deleted scene that I saw on YouTube that helps explain that a little bit better when she has our final conversation with Shuri. That didn't make it into the movie, but I do think that there were some gaps for non-com booky people that people were just showing up and with no introduction.

So I do agree with Dana on that part, that unless you had any kind of context, you were like, who these people and why is her suit different? And yeah, I feel like some of the deleted scenes should have been post credit scenes or something so that we could have gotten some more context.

Y. M.: Yeah. Especially considering that, you know, who has a Blu-ray player anymore? I still do, but you know.

Corey: I do. I got four of them.

Perry: There you go.

Y. M.: Yes.

Perry: I did wanna mention about Ironheart Riri cuz it, I've only read a few of the comics that she's been in, but it seemed like they kind of combined the version in this movie almost seems like a combination of another character from the Black Panther comics. So in the comics there was a member of the Dora Milage named queen Divine Justice.

And she was of Wakanda descent. She was actually, I think of the Jabari tribe. But she had grown up in Chicago and so she had a very kind of like American personality. And so there was like this real cultural clash with her as a member of the Dora Milage, you know, contrasting with the Wandins.

And I feel like they brought a lot of her personality to Iron Heart's character. I'm not sure, Corey, I know you're more familiar with the comics. Did you pick up any of that or if you know more about Ironheart, did she seem pretty close to you?

Corey: I really don't know much about Ironheart. Yeah, I think that there could have been more done with her backstory to help us figure out where she was coming from. I think that the problem is, so many people like Dana included, if I speak for her, is that they see that see the symbolism of Ironheart close to Ironman using that same tech that people may naturally think, oh, well, they're just gonna make an Iron Girl because Ironman is no longer around.

Spoiler, spoiler alert. But so I think that that's where the, confusion her whole technical background and things that she was doing with the suit is a little bit confusing and too much, too similar to what Ironman was also doing. But as far as like the comic book goes, like, I don't really know much about Iron Heart.

And I haven't really read much with her any, any of the comics. I had this Marvel Platinum definitive edition of Black Panther. And I know that that writer is in some of these comics, but I haven't gotten to those yet.

Y. M.: Okay. And , going from there to Namor, Coka Con is he in the comics and, is he like we see him on screen? Or is this a whole kind of story for.

Perry: Kind of both. So yeah, Namor is in the comics. He is Marvel's first published mutant character. , and so just like in, in the comics, in the movies, he's the first named Mutant in the M C U, right? We know that Kamala Khan is a mutant be when, because they add that little tease at the end of her show.

And, you know, we saw the Professor X from the other world, but neither of them was officially called a mutant on, on screen. So Namor is the first one who's actually called a mutant on screen. So I thought that was a nice nod to the comics. But in the comics, he is basically the same origin as Aquaman although he came before Aquaman, but , he's prince of Atlantis, child of two worlds, right?

His, mother was of, I think it was his mother. Yeah, his mother was of Atlantis. His father was human. And , that's why he was a mutant. , So all of that comes straight from the comics. And obviously if you're gonna do Naor the way he is in the comics, then everybody who's not familiar with the comics is gonna be like, Marvel's just ripping off Aquaman.

So I thought they were very smart in how they did it, where they brought in this whole idea of making him of Mayan dissent, linking that in with Mayan mythology, calling it tallcon instead of Atlantis. All of that was explicitly for the movie, but I thought it worked really well with his character. It helped set him apart from Aquaman and it still manages to keep his core tenets because n Nomore just in the comics is also like this kind of an anti-hero type , where his Aquaman's always been much more, has much more friendly relations with the service world.

Nomore has been at times attacking it. Like that was what he did in his very first appearances when they brought him back in the fantastic four decades later. That's what he did as well. So he's been an on, again, off again, enemy of humanity and I thought they had done a really good job of capturing the nuances of his character when they, and linking that into the themes of colonialism was all very smart.

Y. M.: Yeah. Yeah. And since we've all talked about it in, in our kind of journey back to Wakanda, let's talk about this new panther. Yeah, from , the bit that I know Shri was supposed is written in the comics as I don't know if she's the next Black Panther after Chitra kind of thing, but , she's there.

And there was a big kind of con, I wouldn't say it was a controversy, but there was a lot of talk about, should we recast to Chala , and there were people that were in the recast to Chala camp. There were people in the. Make somebody else Black Panther, we don't know who.

And then there were people in the camp that were, sure is the next one in the comic books. You need to follow the comic books, kind of thing. So , since everybody's kind of brought it up in one way or another, and Dana bringing it up, kind of most of all, what did we think, chime in and, and tell me what you thought about Shri being a new Black Panther.

And about not retesting Chadwick, what were your, personal thoughts? Versus what was everybody else saying or what, you know, whatever, what were your personal thoughts about it? What did you wanna see? And did it meet your expectations?

 Dana, you were the last person to talk about this. Do you have anything to add on to , what you were saying about this?

Dana: No, it's just, like I said before, I, I feel like the sister should have stayed the tech person and come. I think I told Corey she's kind of like, what is it the q and James Mon or whatever, like that's her thing. That's where she really excelled and I felt like she should have stayed in her lane.

And then somebody, I know some people wanted give me, if I'm not calling these characters by their names, cuz I know I would mess them up and I don't remember anyway. But some people had talked about maybe Chad Bo Smith's characters. I don't, I wanna say I don't know if they got married or not, which is, I don't know if they got married or not, but let's just say his wife or whatever, cuz I'm trying to not get it in anyway.

But thought it should be her, which I thought didn't make any sense either. I just felt like , again, I'll be honest with you, I thought this movie tried to be a little woke and it was on my nerves. This movie was, so, girl power, girl, girl, girl. That I was just like, I had had enough between the girl Ironman and now we're gonna have the girl, black Panther.

I was like, what are we doing? Are we trying, you know,

Staci: We're making a good movie. That's what we're doing

Dana: we're, what,

Y. M.: Okay. Staci, she said we're making a good movie. That's what we doing.

Dana: Maybe, I mean, perhaps, but I felt like, I'll tell you, me watching, I felt like it was being thrown down my throat a little bit, again, why would you pick her? There were other women that were much stronger and her actually warriors that you couldn't picked.

Like, I just, I don't know. I felt like it was like women in STEM

Marcie: Well, but, but I think you also gotta, you gotta look at it from the perspective of legacy. , why not her? If that's

your familiar birthright, then why

not 

Staci: was good at it. And I think that,

Dana: doesn't make a warrior though. It's like, I'm gonna be honest, if y'all had to pick who was gonna go fight for you, you would not have picked her because it didn't make any sense. And so , that's what I'm saying is that kinda stuff bothers me because why did you make that choice?

And it can't just, legacy to me, can't just be enough because I thought like, and y'all can tell me

Marcie: it wasn't enough. I mean, there was legacy, there was the heart and the willingness to do it.

Dana: She didn't have

Corey: She didn't want to do it though. She didn't want.

Staci: well, 

Marcie: I I didn't say want, I said willing. I didn't say want. There're two different things. There's a lot of.

Dana: don't even, she wasn't, she didn't even show up sometimes I don't think she, and to me, again here, you want somebody to represent you, to be a warrior, to fight for you and stand for you. I mean, you know, whatever. We can make you dumb down as the president of your country who doesn't wanna be there.

Like why would I, I don't want you, I mean, people don't want me at work. If I don't wanna be there at my job, I'm not protecting anybody. Can you imagine a warrior who's supposed to show strength and I guess the role model that everybody doesn't really wanna be there, which is good because she knows she'll probably get killed cuz she's not good at this.

Staci: well, I just think the reason why she didn't, not saying she didn't want to be, well, she didn't wanna be there, but I think her. Growing up with her father being the Black Panther, then her brothers being the black, black panther. And I know you said wokeness, but I just think that if you have a family history, like Marc said, it's a legacy.

Whether you want to take on the mantle or not, sometimes things are pushed upon you and they, you have to pick it up regardless. That's your responsibility. And maybe she didn't want the responsibility initially, but if she was raised at how she was raised by her mother who took on the medal of a queen, she wasn't, her mother was queen by what marriage?

We don't know if

Perry: Hi, marriage.

Staci: by marriage. So, but you see how she took on that role and responsibility and as she says, I gave up my whole family for this. I think that

Dana: But I think they should have showed that

Staci: thing.

Dana: they would've need to show me that character being like, look, this isn't what I wanna do, but for my legacy and my family, this is what I have to do. I'm gonna be training, I'm

Marcie: that by having

Staci: did show that.

Marcie: I mean I think we saw

Dana: in the very, she never wanted to 

Staci: but she 

Dana: Not at all.

Staci: I think probably about the movies that we saw that she struggled during the whole time. Cause her mother's like, how I felt Your brothers, you know? And she was like, you and she just don't put it, it's all scientific. She struggled that spiritual aspect versus that science aspect.

And I think we saw that during the whole film of her struggling with her emotions and what. Her responsibilities were or should be. I think we saw that at their house throughout the whole movie, and I think that's

Dana: I feel like,

Staci: as the Black Panther, because it wasn't a matter she wanted take, but how many people really wanna take that, that responsibility, how hard that would be.

We saw that

Dana: well, no, I, there were obviously people who did wanna, there were people who wanted to take it on. They fought for it in the first movie, like,

Staci: Be a protector. I mean, to wasn't trying to protect Wanda. He was trying to make the world burner and that what he.

Dana: but what about Inach? Who's character too? I feel like he wanted it more than she did. Like I, I don't know.

Marcie: I don't think that's true. I think he wanted to lead his people, but I don't think he wanted to be back Black Panther and, and spoiler alert that it is. I think that they're, I think that. I think that there was a, there's a defining line in this, in this movie where you have to decide if you really w if she really wanted to be both.

And I think that's the conflict is did, did she really want to be the Black panther that her brother had had to be, that her father had had to be. And I think the bravest part was when she decided that she didn't want both mantles and she would only carry one. And so I think that that is part of the struggle.

But I think , we see heroes that don't wanna be heroes all the time. I mean, Thor didn't wanna be Thor half the time. , I think,

Dana: But Thor was trained to be Thor. This is, it's not, we're not acting like it's just her being willing. It's also her being a able, she had neither one of those movie. Magic is the only reason she isn't dead.

Perry: well, I, I wanna push back, on that a little bit because we do see her in the first movie. She joins in the battle, like they do hint at the fact that she's gotten

Y. M.: that's what I was gonna say. That's what I was gonna say.

Marcie: she fought. She fought when

Y. M.: she was right beside

Marcie: fought kill Monger. She got out there with the rest of her people. I don't think it's that she lacks

Perry: in endgame too. She also fought.

Marcie: exactly.

Dana: seen that, but I

Y. M.: did fight

Dana: still not, to me, sh to me that ma that makes her maybe a warrior to stand in there and be one of the soldiers, not captain, like she just to be Black Panther. Are you joking me? Wasn't oh of that worked for me. Like, I was upset because I felt like they did that because people just thought, I guess that whole legacy thing, oh, that's what should be, should happen, da da.

But I just thought it really wasn't realistic. Here you are fighting against somebody who has, I don't know if you wanna call 'em supernatural, magical power, whatever. This is just a regular person who's strong. And I felt like what she could have done is I would've preferred her. I know she worked on the suit and did all that other stuff, that's her area of expertise.

I don't like when we're trying to make people something they're not. And then on top of it, I'm not really getting from the character that is what they wanted to do. , it felt forced. And if y'all don't feel like it felt forced, then we just watch different movies. Cause it totally went forth.

Perry: I think we did, because I thought that was, for me, that was her whole character journey. I mean,

Dana: Oh no.

Perry: in, the first movie, Tacha was someone who was very much between these two worlds. Right? One of the big themes in the first movie was this idea about. Modernization versus tradition. And te is someone who is very respectful of tradition, but also understands the need to modernize.

Whereas Shuri is someone who is very much got her eye on the future. So she, and especially after losing her brother, she had almost completely rejected tradition as a result of that. And she kept trying to move forward to push forward to find new ways of doing things. And when that didn't work, when you know her mother gets killed and her brother gets killed and now she realizes that she has to find a different way.

And as far as the abilities, I mean, she's got , the magic herb. It does more than just make her stronger than a normal person. It is superhuman strength. It is the Wakanda equivalent of the super hold soldier serum. So everything Captain America can do to Chala and Shri now can both do as well. So I mean, it, you can make the same argument.

She doesn't look like it. Well, gal Gado doesn't look like she could, you know, wrestle tanks, but she managed to do it because we buy the magic

Dana: do. She, absolutely does. More so than she looks like she would be the Black Panther. I'm not trying to get up into people's bodies and what they look like, but the girl looked like she could be knocked over by a blow of the wind. She has it. It just, I mean, it could have been a five year old child, I guess, who took the herb and could have been Black Panther too.

And I guess, again, y'all have to realize I'm also coming from a place of, I don't know all their little out stories. If the woman in the movie, I don't know anything about it. So let's look at it like that too. And for me it just, it did not make sense. If this really was to be her arc and this is her storyline, then I think I should, I never felt her come around to really wanting to do this.

Like I never felt that. And then I

Marcie: I think, I think the, defining moment was when she chose to be Black Panther and not be Queen. I think that is the, if you didn't recognize her choice in 

Dana: don't think she wanted to do either one of those.

Marcie: she chose,

Staci: She would rather have her brother there, but she chose to be the Black

Marcie: chose to be Black Panther and,

Dana: cause they, who else would've done it? Like I didn't

Corey: I think she chose my default.

Dana: Yeah. Thank you. Like, I dunno, who else, like if I, you were like, well you could be queen, your people out here died about to be you be queen or you gonna out here and fight for us with the suit that potentially you could win. Like, I dunno what kinda, that would've been selfish to be like, I'll be your queen,

Perry: But that's the,

Dana: somebody else.

Perry: that's the burden of heroism in many hero stories. The hero does. Choose to be a hero. They have that responsibility forced on them, and they have to choose to either do the right thing or abandon it completely. I mean that's, it's the classic hero story. It happens with Luke Skywalker, it happens with Spider-Man, happens with Superman.

It's something that is forced upon them and they have to choose if they're going to accept it or reject it. And I think it's the same thing with Shuri. Yes, it's forced on her. Yes, it's something that she doesn't want to do, but she does it because she knows that's her responsibility.

Marcie: Right.

Dana: I guess for me, I just, that, that being her character, cuz I, I totally agree with what you said. It just didn't work for me. Like I think. Because I guess I felt like Chadman Bozeman's character, he was the black character. He, you know, I, I know it took time for him to get to that place, but I felt like he knew that's where he wanted to be.

You

Marcie: Yeah, but at the same time, he, he had time to decide that, that even though his

Dana: not, look, I'm not debating any of that. I'm just telling you that I didn't, her character just didn't work for me. It was, but it's that time that got him right to be in that position. I felt like, again, so many people wanted her to be the Black Panther. I just felt like that was a people decision, not to me, not one that really made sense for the story.

I, it just didn't work. Like we, and speaking of time, we barely got to know her in the first movie. Of all I know is she's good at doing electronics and stuff like that, and then it seems like she's curing let's say cancer. I don't know what she was doing with all the molecules and all that other stuff.

And so that's where I see her as. And I see her being great at that. No, let's say she steps away to do Black Panther and now what, what happens to all of that stuff? Like, I just felt like, and I guess to your point, Marcy, it was too rushed. Had there been more time for her to get there, maybe I could have bought it, but it was entirely too rushed. It was so too rushed for me. So I just, I didn't feel her character doing that. But I mean, again,

Corey: And I, I, I think to, I'm piggyback on what you're saying, Dana is, and I feel like the time that would've been there would've been the time that they demote, they, they dedicated to Na Moore's origin and to that culture, all that time is the time that they probably would've spent with her building up to be the Black Panther.

But just to piggyback on what you're saying, I agree with you, is that I felt like for me it didn't work either. I felt like with the writing, the way that the film was going, even though this is not legacy, and even though this is not how the character was built in the comics, They wrote it for a COE to be the Black Panther, to be honest with you, that's how I took the film, because you have a COE there, they strip her of her rank.

She is basically, you know, abandoned from Wakanda. I felt like, you know, okay, now what do we do? She's a soldier. She's been there with Chadwick whole time. She's been there with fighting all these battles, naturally give it to her and have her be the next Black Panther. Why does it have to stay with the legacy of the family?

And then you have, you have Shuri become the queen. Like that's how I felt that they were writing the film. That's how it played out for me. And so when it didn't happen that way, I personally was a little bit disappointed because I was like, you.

Y. M.: kinda had a, she kinda had. You, you can disagree with me on this, but she kind of had like a Wolverine kind of feel like she was gonna come up and, and Yeah.

Corey: right.

Y. M.: I, I, I, I felt like that was gonna happen, but it didn't happen, so.

Marcie: don't

Corey: So if you, if you.

Marcie: that all that was gonna happen, and I don't know if it was intentional, but I do feel like they left. very unfinished. Like I said, some of the stuff that didn't make it into the movie, I feel like should have been. I don't know that I saw her as Black Panther any time during the movie, but I do feel like

Corey: Well,

Marcie: was 

Corey: don't feel like it, you don't feel like it until after that happens. You don't feel like it until after that rank is taken away from her and her. Her power is taken away from her, and because of the relationship that they built between the two of them in the first film and all the things that she did in the beginning of this film, it just felt like naturally that's what was going to happen.

If you go back and you watch it again and you pay attention to the dialogue and you pay attention to the writing of what they were doing, you will see that that's what was gonna happen in the third act. And so when it doesn't, that payoff wasn't there for me. I was kind of like what Dana was saying. It was like, this isn't fitting for sure to just fit into that role.

I kind of, I'm kind of annoyed with the fact that, you know, a, I think, I think it's a, it's a weird situation that producers and directors have of comic book movies, is that they have a responsibility to take these characters and keep them with the legacy that comic book fans know. Right? Because they're the ones who are more than likely gonna go see these films.

Are the people who have read these comics, have studied these comics, have appreciated these comics for years and years and years and years and years, right? So they have a responsibility

Y. M.: they're the core audience.

Corey: they're the core

Y. M.: know that's gonna be there.

Corey: Exactly. Exactly. So you start there and then you bring the other people in. So it's a weird thing when you have to play with, do I stay the course of what's written in the comics or do I try and do something a little bit different, but hopefully satisfy both audiences, satisfy the book fans, satisfy the casual fans. I feel like they wrote a Coye character and all the supporting cast well enough that they could have made some changes without upsetting the core audience.

And then also accepting the fact that this is something new, this is something different. And everybody will still be happy because if a COE's character was not as strong as she was in the first film or in this beginning of this second film, then them writing them in her to be the next Black Panther would ha not have worked.

But because they established that and they did that, they totally could have went that route. Right? And then it also leads, it leads others to believe that anybody can be the Black Panther. You don't have to be legacy to be the Black Panther. It's just like anything else. If you see someone who is a hero and you live up to that hero, it's just, it, it's like anything else.

It's like somebody being on screen and you see a you know, there, there was talks about a black super. Okay. If they, if they made it Michael B. Jordan, the Black Superman, which was what was talked about for years, and they do that film and he does a really great job. Don't you know that there'll be little small black boys, little small black girls, they'll go, oh, I could be a Superman too.

Cause he looks just like me and he's, he's just the strongest, you know, Christopher Res, black man, you know, Superman or whatever. It's the same thing. You put a Coi, you put a coy in that role, you say, Hey, you don't have to be part of this family, you don't have to be this legacy, but as long as you care about what condom and as long as you're strong and as long as you have faith in this and da da da, you can be Black Panther too.

See what I'm saying? So that's how I took it. So I was a little bit disappointed with Sherry being Black Panther. And, but , it is what it is. I mean, I don't know if they're gonna continue to do that moving forward because of what we see at the end, but that's, that's just my opinion.

Perry: So first off, the Black Superman is still in development to Hai Coates recently confirmed that he

Corey: That's good to know. Thank you very much.

Perry: gonna be one of the, cuz James Gunn is doing two different types of things, right? They're doing the regular DC Universe movies, but then they're gonna have else worlds things which are not in continuity.

So the Batman stuff is still going forward. The Joker movies are still going forward and Black Superman is still going forward. So we're still gonna get that. So , that is definitely gonna happen. Whether or not it's Michael B. Jordan, I don't know, but it, there is still a black Superman movie and development.

Ta-Nehisi Coates is writing it. So that's happening. Now if you had asked me before this movie, who do you think should take up Black Panther? I would agree with you. Even though Shuri was in the comics, I would say that Okoye or Mku would've been better choices. But after seeing this movie, and especially having that core conflict between Shri and Namor, I think if you don't have that final battle between them, as much as I get what you're saying about Okoye, I think you lose so.

With that, if that final battle is not between Shri and na.

Staci: Hmm.

Y. M.: Staci, you have your mic open and you've had it open for a while.

Did we miss what you wanted to say? Cause I know Dana was talking about you and Dana were talking about it, but did, did we miss something that you were going to contribute to the,

Staci: we did and now I've forgotten it, so.

Y. M.: okay, great. I'm sorry. But I know when you first had your mic open Dana was talking about, the woke part , and I wanted to kinda chime in there as far as , the woke part or the having women everywhere kind of thing. I did not feel that here. As much as I felt it when they had that scene that could have been deleted from was that endgame where all the women superheroes or whatever fight?

Yes.

Marcie: Yeah, and even Pepper Potts showed up for the first time in forever. Long. Yes, yes.

Y. M.: exactly. That. That

Corey: Dana didn't spin.

Y. M.: Yeah, that was a scene. Oh, okay. She hadn't seen that one. Okay. That was a scene that was forced down. I feel like that was a forced, women woke scene and, maybe this is just cultural for me, and especially with the, with the Dora Milajie , they're the army.

Right. You know, and they're all women. So it was kind of, I didn't feel that like, as much as I think Dana felt it, the whole, they're forcing , the women everywhere, down our throats kind of thing. I didn't feel that as much there. And then two, a lot of the male characters that we saw in the first Black Panther, they're not here.

Dana: That's why I felt that way

Y. M.: Well, but, but they're not here cause they're dead. . But it, it's not because, and the women have to take up the mantle kind of thing to me, You know, and I hate to say this like this, but to me, a strong black women in leadership roles kind of thing is what I grew up with.

I'm not saying that , my father wasn't strong or anything like that. , I had strong male ro role models. But having to take up the mantle when the males are not, there, is not something that's, it doesn't feel forced. To me. It feels like, okay, this is what we do, culturally it feels like this is what we do now.

The whole thing with them being in stem

Dana: I'm joking.

Y. M.: them being in stem, I know you were joking about that, but I do wanna seriously say though that we don't see that a lot on screen. The last time we really saw it was Hidden Figures , and with Hidden Figures, those were real women, but we just don't see it a lot on screen.

And , I'm like cheering for it, you know, a little bit because.

Marcie: agree. I don't think, it didn't feel forced to me either, in that it was simply, I think in the context of the story, it was really, it just really showed how community has to come together when, when people, when you lose the people in, in certain positions. And I think it was to see Queen Ramonda step up and, and take up that mantel of leadership, but she still had the rest of the council, I think.

I didn't, I didn't feel like it

Dana: So let me 

Marcie: because of Dora Laja. Was a all female guard, that president had already been set. So I guess for me it didn't feel quite the same way. 

Dana: Ask you this cuz I think it's a good point that Yvonne brought up. In your real life. This seems normal, right? And I think in black communities, and I hate to bring this up, but I'm going to, there's often the thought that as women we have to take over roles that sometimes in other cultures may more traditionally belong to men or whatever.

We have to be everybody's everything all the time. So we do step in and we do take over. So that may be one of the reasons, it may feel more normal to us, right? So the ideal of me thinking, Hey, we can build this world where that I'll call it a stereotype. I don't know how y'all feel with this stereotype now, but doesn't have to be what it is in real life.

It still showed up here. The reason I say I said was woke jokingly it’s not because I really feel like necessarily they were like women. Like this isn't a feminist movie or anything like that. It's just, I was like, seriously? What happens to all the males? Like

Marcie: Well, but I also.

Dana: other than the, the bad guy, supposedly whatever.

I felt like everybody was gone. And then Umba role, whatever. He was like, he was seriously, I felt like he was there for jokes and laughter. Like I felt like he was, he was so downplayed. I was just like, oh, okay. And I just felt like it was, it was a, it was a lot of women and it wasn't so that community, I, I felt like it was women and I don't feel like that's what

Marcie: But I think, I think you also gotta realize that, that women are what is left after war. Women are what is left after,

Dana: Yeah, but that's not the, that wasn't the case. I feel like here. Like, because obviously

Marcie: you forget that the context of the universe, of the Marvel universe is that yes, T’Challah is gone, but they also, that's coming off the heels of all of the devastation of 

Staci: The

Marcie: kill monger and all

Corey: Yeah, but you can't. Yeah, but you can't do that if people haven't seen those other films.

Marcie: okay,

Dana: and then explain the

Marcie: but again,

not my fault. Not, not my fault. You didn't watch him in order. And that this is

Dana: What do you mean watch the 

Corey: No. Just not watching at all.

Dana: watched it in order. It's

Marcie: I'm just saying. I,

Dana: other movies that had nothing to do with this particular one. The other movies weren't Black Panther. You may have picked up other stuff.

Again, a movie

Marcie: Black Panther, they had, they had

had all of that. 

Dana: here to discuss the Marvel cinematic, you know, 

Staci: where other men 

Dana: about, this particular movie, if it can't hold us on and you're telling me, oh, I need to have watched 15 other movies to 

Marcie: saying even if you only watched the original Black Panther, there was a war at the end where Killmonger was killed, but there were lots of lives lost on the field and a

Dana: Marcy. 

Corey: there were lots of men left too.

Marcie: Not, not for every tribe though. Not for every tribe that, but not every tribe was not women. The Dora Milajie were women, but the border tribe was not women. The other

Dana: I 

Marcie: not predominantly. 

Dana: I don't think anybody thinks that the reason there were just women in this movie is because all the men were dead. I don't think that's anything anybody was trying to, you know, I just said I noticed and I did, and you know, we all did because there were only women there.

I was just like, what happened to all the guys? And then if I'm trying to be Ty or whatever, then why at the end did we have it have to go back to a guy, like, couldn't that be his daughter? Like I, I dunno, I just felt some kinda weird about it. I was just, and again, I'm sure y'all didn't notice everything.

We all go to the movies and kind of like Yvonne said, where we are in the world of what's going on, but in the world we live in, everybody is so PC talking about this and that everybody, that sometimes I feel like it's being forced down our throats. And I just thought, wow, I didn't feel this way in the first movie.

And yes, we still had a lot, it was very women-centric. We still had the queen, matriarch, whatever. But somehow in this second movie, the only two guys that I can even remember from it, one was the villain and the other one was, like I said, was barely there! It just felt weird.

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