Our guest in episode# 171 is Vasundhra Gupta, she is a spiritual writer, certified life coach and past life regression facilitator. Her work involves exploring past life regression stories to help demystify hypnotherapy. In this episode we will discuss Karma and Soul Contracts. What we observed:
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Our guest in episode# 171 is Vasundhra Gupta, she is a spiritual writer, certified life coach and past life regression facilitator. Her work involves exploring past life regression stories to help demystify hypnotherapy. In this episode we will discuss Karma and Soul Contracts. What we observed:
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Johnny Burke: Welcome to Closer to Venus. I'm Johnny Burke, and today's guest is Vasundhra Gupta. She is a spiritual writer, certified life coach, and past-life regression facilitator. Her work involves exploring past-life regression stories to help demystify hypnotherapy. In this episode, we will discuss karma and soul contracts. Vasundhra, welcome back to the show.
Vasundhra Gupta: Thank you, Johnny. It was so interesting being here the last time, and I cannot wait for our conversation tenfold today.
Johnny Burke: Indeed it was, and in many cases, many episodes will spill into a part two. So as not to force someone to put their life's work into 40 minutes worth of an episode. So very cool stuff. So today, we will talk about karma and soul contracts, and I think we can agree that karma is one of the most misunderstood things in the mystical, metaphysical world. Do you agree?
Vasundhra Gupta: A hundred percent. It's such a complicated yet easy-sounding concept, and I feel like, at some point or the other, we assume too much about it.
Johnny Burke: True. Most of the time, when I hear people speak about karma, it seems to be connected to punishment, which we don't think is necessarily the same thing. We'll get into that as well, but what we're going to talk about today is how karma is related to soul contracts, which is a whole other kettle of fish, so to speak. So, to start with, what exactly are soul contracts, and why do we set them?
Vasundhra Gupta: So how I see soul contracts is that we have a group of people around us, a group of souls, if you may, that choose to take birth with us in different roles so that they help us in our healing journey, and we help them. So for instance, if I am married to my partner, he's making sure he brings out certain things for me to see. And the way we can explore this a little bit deeper is when you have a relationship with a friend, and they're a certain way with you, but then when they're with someone else, they seem to be a certain way that is a form of delivery of soul contract. So someone might be easier with you because you don't have that lesson with them to learn. Whereas they might be more harsh or more prudent with other people. We are all here to just take each other home.
Johnny Burke: Take each other home. I like that. And in this case, the soul contracts are conducted in I believe the life between lives space, which means in between incarnations and the way you described it sounds like what many others before have described something that almost looks like we're casting a movie or casting a stage, play characters.
Vasundhra Gupta: Mm-Hmm.
Johnny Burke: What roles are available, what the objectives are, where the marks are, and so on. So in your case with your partner or your husband, you're pretty sure that you had a soul contract with him, for example.
Vasundhra Gupta: Yeah. I go into length about this on my blog. Speaking about destiny versus free will and how I lived in India back in the day and had no intentions of leaving my parents because I'm an only child. I wanted to stay in India. I wanted to stay in proximity of them. And yet, every time we got this prospect, an arranged marriage. That's just how I chose to do it in my culture. It was a beautiful decision, but at the time, I was not ready to move to Canada in order to be with anyone. So every time the prospect would come to meet my partner, I'd be like, no, I don't wanna leave the country. I don't wanna leave my parents. I noticed the universe collapsing, and I saw that my scope to move around in my life became smaller and smaller.
So I wanted to shift out of my career and enter into something else. Nothing was opening up for me. I was having a lot of resistance in my health. A lot of things were falling apart within my relationships, and I was like, hang on, there's something going on here where I'm required to do something very different. There's no way that the girl that's like watching angel numbers and synchronicities and living by the universe's books is suddenly just like crashing everywhere. So
Johnny Burke: The universe collapsing, right?
Vasundhra Gupta: Mm-hmm.
Johnny Burke: Is that a consequence of you not following a preordained path or keeping with the soul contract, or that's something different?
Vasundhra Gupta: I do see it as that. I don't think it happens in every aspect of our life. We have a big playground where we get to show up and play and make mistakes, quote unquote mistakes, but there are certain things we are required to do, and when the time comes we will notice that the universe pretty much plucks us up from one place and puts us in another and they're like, move along. Like, that old path isn't for you anymore. Your time is done. Keep moving forward. So, I do believe Destiny and Soul contracts and Karma had a very strong force at that time.
Johnny Burke: Okay. What is the easiest way to describe the life between lives space to someone who's never experienced it, where they can really get their heads around the cycle where we live a life, we die, we go into that space, and there are many names for it. I believe the Buddhists call it the Bardo. And there are several different bardos, I think, and then we choose our life, and we choose our soul family, I guess. We reincarnate with them in many cases over and over. Other than what I just tried to explain what's the easiest way to get people to accept and acknowledge it that this isn't a fairy tale, this is actually what happens,
Vasundhra Gupta: Hmm. I love how you're putting me on the spot after giving the full definition, then you're like, what else do you have to add to that and how can you make it the easiest?
Johnny Burke: It sounds almost too good to be true. We can decide for instance, you're going to be the girl that breaks my heart. You're going to be the guy that I beat up because you were the bully in the last life, and it's your turn to play the victim, et cetera, et cetera. It sounds almost like it's too easy.
Vasundhra Gupta: That's true when you think of it in in theory, right? How much of our life goes living in our head and trying to execute and then the execution is way harder. So we have to remember that as souls, we don't have. We don't experience pain because we're not in a body.
So when you're trying to explain this concept to someone, it's like, imagine you're pretty much in a different realm. Or let's say I wanna explain this to a kid. I would say, you know, you've met certain people before, and they haven't shown up yet in your life. So when you meet them, sometimes they make you happy, sometimes they make you sad. But remember, it's all a part of the big game. We're all here to play a big game together. I would kind of speak to like a child in that way.
It is like a game, where you choose teams and play kickball or baseball or something on the playground. And you did use the term playground before. With your clients, can you give us some examples of how they discover that space, the life-between-life space?
Vasundhra Gupta: A lot of them will come in with the specific intention of wanting to do past life regression or connecting with their soul guides. So that's how we discover that space. I will say I don't hang out in that space that much with them, so I have never done a review for a life in order to plan the next life. There is nothing of that sort, but we've always looked at a past life that's undigested. We will try to see what the lessons are and how those lessons are parallel to the current lifetime.
Johnny Burke: All right. Now let's talk about how soul contracts are related to karma people are already confused when they think they know what karma is. Whenever you hear someone say, oh yeah, that's karma. And I feel like saying, well, actually, no, it isn't. But I know better than to speak up, at least in my civilian life.
Vasundhra Gupta: The relationship. We've explored what soul contracts are and karma, which comes from Hinduism, which comes from Advaita Vedanta Is a concept that says whatever you put out into the world comes back at a human level. Right? But if you just explore it scientifically, it's a law of cause and effect. When there's a cause, there's an effect.
So the first clarification that is required is karma is not always a bad thing. It's not the bad guy. It's just here to do its job. So if you think of all the relationships you have, you will have some positive relationships. That's also karma. It's not always the negative stuff, but that one feels more painful in the human body.
And when we combine the two theories of soul contracts and karma together, what we're saying is if I'm required to learn the lesson or reap the rewards, quote-unquote, whatever the rewards could be for something that can be, that can be created for me through another relationship. It doesn't always have to be that way.
There's this whole frame of mind around land contracts, so we're destined to be around certain cultures and certain planets and continents in order to execute certain parts of our soul contract, our karma. To simplify it even further, it's just to say in order for you to experience the full cycle of the cause and the effect, there will be certain people that show up for you, and those will be our soul contracts.
Johnny Burke: The soul contract versus soul family. The way it's been explained to me is that your soul family are often members, soul brothers, soul sisters, and so on, and we tend to reincarnate over and over until we learn our lesson. Or maybe they're our soul family forever. How does that work?
Vasundhra Gupta: What I've discovered is just through my own past life regression, not so much from others, but reading Dr. Michael Newton's work and going through my own past life regression. The common theme is that soul family does not always translate to biological family, and it also does not translate to proximity in every lifetime.
You might have certain family members that show up very briefly; in a current lifetime, they might be there to just, I don't know, they're in the subway, and you see them, and you have a positive conversation, and it just shifts your perspective. They're very momentarily there for us, but it's in those moments that we need them to be there.
Johnny Burke: Good point. I like that. So they can be someone you met for a very brief period, and then you never see them again. But they had an impact on you.
Vasundhra Gupta: I've heard that for soul guides as well, so I feel certain that we do say that soul guides do not incarnate or interact with us. But there have been instances where, similar to the effect of a soul tribe or soul family member, the guide will show up to course-correct for us.
So, a soul guide stepping in is actually more intimate. More intervention is required there where a major course correction could be required. Whereas a soul family member will step in as a part of the contract, and now we have to go into this as well, where contracts can be dynamic; they're not always done pre-birth. They do keep evolving as we go. So, if we think about the theory how our soul isn't fully in the body, it doesn't need to be, and that souls can split into multiple bodies to learn multiple lessons within the same timeframe,
Johnny Burke: Okay.
Vasundhra Gupta: From that lens, it's not necessary for a soul contract to be limited to what happened, what was decided pre-birth.
Johnny Burke: It can be morphing and changing.
Vasundhra Gupta: Hmm.
Johnny Burke: All right.
Vasundhra Gupta: And depending on your evolution, right? So, for the generations of souls that are dedicated to self-development work, one factor I've noticed is that relationships end sooner. So, the divorce rate is higher. It doesn't necessarily mean that's a bad thing or a good thing. But it's just that if you've learned the lesson quicker, you don't need to stay with the same person for 30 years to play out those lessons. Now, you've taken it upon yourself to heal it and move on . In the same way, friendships end sooner than they did back in the day.
Johnny Burke: Exactly., soul guides. Are you referring to spirit guides or something different?
Vasundhra Gupta: Soul guides, spirit guides, I see them the same.
Johnny Burke: Same thing . I've heard different opinions on that. Some people say they don't incarnate. Others will tell me that it could be one of your loved ones -it could be your mom or a family member or a friend that passed that is taking on the task of being there for you. Does that make sense, or is that just a matter of opinion? How does that work?
Vasundhra Gupta: I would say we have to experience it for ourselves. But then, if you look into the area of mysticism and clairvoyance and use a Ouija board like those channels and mediums, they're also connecting to something higher. And they usually don't have any insight before, so when you go into that session with them, they will reveal something about a passed away loved one, and that message will come through, but sometimes it just comes from a higher consciousness, and it like, this is what you need to know.
So, for example, with Oracle cards, you could assume that you're connecting with a guide when you're getting guidance from an Oracle card, but you could also say you're connecting to spirit, like your own spirit, or you're connecting to the universe.So it really depends, but we all ultimately are one consciousness, so I don't think we need to get stuck in the labels. However, it's just soothing for some people to say, well, that was my mom or my soul guide.
Johnny Burke: Speaking of soul guides, do they frequently appear in your work? Let's say you're doing a past life regression or a session with a client.
Vasundhra Gupta: I mandate it. This is why sometimes I am in a session with a client where they're not vocalizing everything they're experiencing from their past life, or I may also not pick up on what their lesson is. So I remove my authority. I remove myself from the situation. I'm just the facilitator.
And the invitation before the past life regression begins is, let's invite your ancestor, a soul guide, or a spirit animal. Whatever feels good for you, whoever shows up. Have them support you along the way of this journey. And then, once they've watched the life, we'll bring them into review. It's usually multiple soul guides that will appear for the review.
Johnny Burke: Multiple. Okay. Soul guides or spirit guides do come up a lot in conversations with many different speakers, and they've always told me that everyone has them. No exceptions. So, going back to the soul contract, what happens if you don't learn the lesson of that particular contract?
Vasundhra Gupta: Sometimes a lesson comes up to us in many ways at the same time. A big part of the work I do is underdefining, or not defining, but discovering the pattern that is common. So there's something happening with your boss and then your sister, and then your partner. If you're agitated by all three, the common denominator is yourself.
There's agitation because it might be a boundary issue or something else—who knows, a forgiveness issue. So, if you don't learn that lesson, it will keep blowing up. And that doesn't necessarily become clear right away, but we have to remember that if a lesson is really showing up for us, we are feeling really in a lot of pain, and there's a lot of resistance, you've probably been exposed to this lesson numerous times before.
So it's not to say that you don't learn it once, and then it'll just come and bite you. But it's to say that maybe over lifetimes you've been trying to learn this and the importance of it kind of shifting is an impediment in your growth. That's why the universe is putting more pressure on you to really get it this time to slow down, pause, and do it differently this time.
Johnny Burke: This also implies that we have several lifetimes. So, in your work with your clients, do you have an idea of, like, the average number of lifetimes that we have, or is that something that's not really a big concern either way?
Vasundhra Gupta: I don't like to go into the technicalities because I like to stay away from whatever could imply to the ego that they're better or less than. So, concepts of my soul are old concepts of my soul is a master soul. I don't go into those things because that's not helpful for the person in my lens. So I don't know the answer to that question
Johnny Burke: Okay, but we have more than one lifetime. Yeah. This is what I was trying to get at. Okay. And I've heard hundreds or even thousands as hard as that is to get our heads around it. That seems to be the consensus. So again, speaking of soul contracts and lessons, what are the typical lessons or what are the most common ones that you hear about?
Vasundhra Gupta: When it comes to resolving karma with another person, much of it does have to do with forgiveness work. So people will experience a lot of atrocity or a lot of suffering for no known reason, and they're required to find something in their heart that says this doesn't matter what happened, doesn't matter.
Because here's the thing, it's not to gaslight the other person or dismiss their pain, but to say there's a part of you that was never affected by this. Go deeper and find that part of you. So that's one, forgiveness. Another thing I would say is about boundaries. We've got so many people pleasers. I tend to track them 'cause I am a recovering people pleaser myself.
Johnny Burke: I like that. Well, we'll have to touch on that as well, but I guess you're bringing that up for a very good reason, right?
Vasundhra Gupta: So it's like you are a wonderful person, but you're masking that. So the difference between being nice and being kind. Being nice is a mask. Being kind is who you really are in your heart, and many of the people we attract in our soul contracts will force us to reevaluate our boundaries and be like, Nope, you get to be authentic.
You don't have to mask yourself around me, and I will still accept you, or I will walk away. But either way, you will be happy with yourself, and that is a lesson they're here to teach us. Those are two common themes I've seen a lot.
Johnny Burke: Really? Okay, good, good. Forgiveness does come up a lot as well. Can we break free from the soul contract? Or, in other words, can we acknowledge it and say, I must have made that contract at some point, but I don't want to do that anymore. What are the consequences of doing that?
Vasundhra Gupta: When you think of breaking a soul contract, you have to realize there's nothing to break. If there's a person in your life who is creating fiction or pain, then that is here for you. And before I say this I'm not saying if you're in abusive relationship, stay there. That's not what I'm saying.
But if there's something activated within you, it's for you to take care of. So, in that moment, when you're being challenged by someone, whatever's being challenged within, you will need to be taken care of regardless of whether you're with that person or not. So, from that lens, there's nothing to break. Because your contract really isn't with the person, it's with yourself.
Johnny Burke: It's with ourselves rather than the other person. Okay. It's actually the first time I've heard that. Okay. It seems to me that soul contracts imply it's with another person, another entity, another company or something like that. So, but you're saying the contract is with ourselves, and there's nothing to break, so there's no consequences?
Vasundhra Gupta: We'll also come to that piece, but I want to reiterate this idea. The contract isn't really with the other person because you've just picked one out of a billion possibilities to learn the lesson with that person. They're just the vessel, rather. But you get to decide whether you learn the lesson or not.
So the contract is with, was really with yourself. I'm deciding in this lifetime, this is what I want to learn. And if you want to come out of a relationship and you fear that you're not learning the lesson, trust that the universe will bring that lesson to you, and you can set the intention. I want to learn the lesson with love. I want to learn this lesson, but I want to do it with love.
I will share a very personal example. I've been on the journey of motherhood for years now, yet to have a child, and there came a point where I was under medications that were damaging my mental physical and chemical health. I felt everyone was saying this is the only way to do it.
And I said to the universe, if this is the only way to do it, I don't want to do it, but I know that you have options for me, and I'm going to lean into those, and I'm going to learn the lesson of motherhood through love. Because I know there's a journey of struggle required in this, but I'm not willing to destroy my mental, physical, and chemical health for that.
I was very blessed during the past couple of months to discover a different route. One that the world would've said is much more painful. But for me, I breezed through it. There were synchronicities; I was held with love and light, and I did not feel a fraction of pain. So, from that perspective, instead of running away from the contract we have with ourselves, it's a very simple calling. Can you give me a different way to learn this, dear universe?
Johnny Burke: A different way to learn it. Okay. All right. Let's go back to karma. What are the most common misconceptions?
Vasundhra Gupta: We talked about one, which is like karma's not always the bad guy, or like, I would say in a sassy way, Karma's not the bitch.
Johnny Burke: All right. Okay. You said it, not me, but yeah, I like that. It's a good way to put it. I know there's got to be more than one. There's got to be probably several.
Vasundhra Gupta: There are so many. So, one thing is that we can't wait around because karma doesn't happen on our timeline. The universe has ways of delivering this that can be within the lifetime, not within the lifetime, right? So it's important to not just sit there and wait for the other person to be served; it just requires your energy to move away from that because you're creating more debt.
When you're stuck in that limbo with them, you are creating something. I haven't fully tapped into this myself because it's very complicated, but you create something that doesn't allow karma to fully kick in. So, you need to remove yourself from the situation and let the universe do its thing. Don't go into revenge mode yourself; otherwise, you will create more karma for yourself. That's another one. Some people think it's in their hands. It's not, we're not here to do that. We're here to exit the cycle.
Johnny Burke: Okay. So when you say to exit the cycle, might that be, for instance, someone totally triggers you, is just completely irritating, or just a very vengeful person? It could be a brother, a girlfriend, or anybody. Is it better to walk away and forgive them even though you don't want to just to get out of that situation. Step off the wheel of karma, in other words?
Vasundhra Gupta: And that could be one way; sometimes Karma is, again, this is where the complexity shows up because if your lesson here is not to walk away and not run away from problems, then even if you try to walk away, you won't be able to. I've heard this from so many clients, and they're like, I'm trying to leave the relationship, but I can't. I'm trying to leave, but I can't. What does that tell me? There's something I need to learn while staying here, and my default pattern can't be that I just leave. So it's very tricky. It depends really on the person's contract; what the best outcome could be for them and what is required of them.
Johnny Burke: So, if your gut feeling is that this is definitely not fun, but I feel like I can learn something here, is it valid? It is.
Vasundhra Gupta: I want to believe that we are in tune with our gut feelings, but coming from so much small T trauma myself, I don't think we have that thematic awareness where we actually know the difference between fear and intuition. So you would really need to be in tune with your intuition to understand whether there's something here or not.
But I would say this is if you check in with yourself and ask what my default pattern is when I face a struggle. Do I keep persevering, or am I the one that leaves? So whatever it is, try doing something differently. It's always about flipping the pattern.
Johnny Burke: Do something other than the default, the default action. Right. Okay. How do we know when we finish this whole contract and what happens next?
Vasundhra Gupta: This is my favorite question because it's like you're doing all the work, and then what is this about, and how do you even feel good about it? There are so many people who will seemingly drift away when the contract is complete. And I keep saying contract, and we keep seeing the contract, but we can say the learning is complete.
Now, there are a few relationships that make a comeback in your life. They may either come back in a gentler capacity where you're sort of just two souls drifting in their journeys home, and there's that nostalgia, and you have a little bit of intertwining in your lives, or they may come back with a different lesson to support you in your learning.I've seen that happen countless times where relationships will change. They're still very much together, especially in more intimate settings like mom and daughter or, husband and wife or siblings. They're still very much involved. Dynamic looks different. It's like between the earth and the sky; there's a huge difference.
Johnny Burke: Not only that but like, how do we even know? Are we always aware that we are in a soul contract, or is it more on the subconscious level? How does that work?
Vasundhra Gupta: We aren't required to know what the contract is. I think that takes away some of the fun in the human experience. So, like I always speak about soul amnesia, where we're kind of like we were born, and for the first few years, we are connected to our soul guides, and people have imaginary friends and things like that. Ultimately, you aren't required to remember your past lives or any of the decisions you made pre-birth because that's not what the human experience is about. The human experience is here just to learn the lessons to make the most of your potential here to go through the actual thing versus having the details about the thing.
Johnny Burke: Speaking of lessons and, you know, and that type of thing, if we get to the point where we feel like I've learned every lesson I probably could think of, can we decide that we don't want to incarnate anymore? Then let's say a [spirit guide or one of the council members is giving us the option to go back to Earth. We think Earth, hell no. I don't want to go back there again. I want to hang out with Prince, David Bowie, and Tom Petty, play music, and drink from a river of Cabernet. Why would I want to go back there? I mean, are there consequences or are we in a different frame of mind where we think, oh yeah, I got to go back because there's more stuff to learn?
Vasundhra Gupta: I've heard that, and I understand that we can choose not to incarnate. However, our learning is here. So there's only so much time you can spend in the ether without moving forward. And it doesn't mean Earth is the only life that we can learn our lessons through. So, for example, if one of our ancestors is watching us and they're watching something play out in our life, and that lands for them, then you've made that shift for them as well. So that's why we say a lot of our healing helps heal generations because it does help everyone behind us or before us to overcome.
Johnny Burke: Before us? I can see where it would help generations after us. But you're saying it helps generations before us. 10, 20, 50, hundred, 200 years, and even more?
Vasundhra Gupta: Because it's moving across space and
Johnny Burke: How does that actually work though?
Vasundhra Gupta: It moves across space and time. So, for instance, if you've been handed down this, let's say anger is your challenge, and you've been handed down, the way I'm going to express my anger is to yell and scream and make a hissy fit. If you are able to transmute that, then you've transmuted it for yourself across space and time. So the karmic debt that you may have had that comes from that aggressive behavior gets resolved.
But for anyone that's in your lineage that is aware, the keyword is awareness, right? If you're watching something and learning from it, that's also landed for them. That's why there's something about the Buddha, and they say how he enlightened generations and generations of his lineage just by being enlightened himself.
There's a ripple effect, and that liberal ripple effect across space and time isn't always limited to us. A very simple example, let's say I share a story and I say, you know, I learned the lesson that I don't want to do the thing. Then you hear that story and for you that is enough. You don't need to go through those motions yourself in order to learn the lesson you've learned through observation. Have you ever experienced that before?
Johnny Burke: I have not. A lot of this is way over my head. I've also been told that with our earthly consciousness and our earthly brains, we can't even understand it fully until we actually experience it.
Vasundhra Gupta: Mm.
Johnny Burke: Right? So now, since you were on the subject of karma, what about a common complaint that it seems like justice is delayed, and it feels like people are getting away with doing bad things? What would you tell them?
Vasundhra Gupta: I think the person that goes through the bad thing, all of us fall into that state of why me? Why is this happening? Whether it's a really big thing or even the littlest of things, we do question, what did we deserve to experience this? And I feel like the word deserves has so much weight when you take it personally. Whereas the word deserve does make sense karmically, it's not a personal attack on you as your essence.
So what that means is if I did not study for the exam and I stayed up late, and I was binge-watching, which I've done, by the way, and then I complained the next morning that I was sleeping during my exam, or that I didn't pass it, did I deserve to fail? Yes. But does that mean anything about me? No. It's the behavior. So the deserving is not a personal attack. What you are experiencing may or may not be your karmic, your individual karmic debt. This is where it gets a bit more layered, but for example, we think of COVID-19 or anything that affects a large group of people. There's a collective karma involved as well.
Johnny Burke: All right. Okay.
Vasundhra Gupta: There's multiple factors enforced, right? You've got family karma, you've got country karma, you've got religious karma. There's basically a collection when with the same, you just being born in that collective will have its own effects. You are under that umbrella immediately. And we have got these, we've got millions of these umbrellas over our head.
So when you've been through all these forces, there's ancestral stuff, family stuff, and individual stuff. It's hard to say what you deserve and you don't, and whether this is happening purely because you're in the wrong place at the wrong time, or was there something in your past life?
In those moments, it's not fair to say to the other person that you deserve this because they are already wounded. For that person, when you are ready, you will overcome this mindset of why me? And you will move into this mindset of, I am willing to get out of this. I'm willing to see that this isn't permanent.
Johnny Burke: Right. And that's where forgiveness comes in. How many times have I heard forgiveness is the key? It will not only set you free, but it is one of the keys to enlightenment. And that's the quickest way to get there, as hard as that is. So just so I understand this, something bad, let's say I work in a company and one of my employees embezzles a huge amount, and we go out of business. That might be just them incurring karmic debt. It might not have anything to do with my soul contracts or my path or whatever you want to call that. Does that make sense?
Vasundhra Gupta: Yeah, it makes sense when you imagine your relationship to the situation. So if you get super triggered by it, and then you do everything in the world and you take them to court, and then you get frustrated and you get drunk, then there is a karmic debt involved because you became so activated by that thing.
I wanna share a story here. I had a gym membership when I was in India, and this was a part of my resistance story. I renewed for six months of membership because I was like, I'm not going to get married to anyone outside of India, so I'm gonna renew my membership. And this is me enforcing this vision of I want to be here. The person who I had renewed the membership with had said that in case you're not able to complete the six months, we'll refund, the part that you don't attend for. I barely attended a month. Of the gym, and I kept calling the guy. I tried three or four times over the next couple of months, and I said, Hey, I'm getting married, and we talked about the refund. Can you do that for me? Like, I'm getting married. I want to put my money towards the wedding planning at this . He would just keep stalling, and he stalled, and he stalled, and he stalled. But I noticed that I wasn't activated by it. I was just like, maybe there's something here for me. Maybe I'm not meant to have the money back. And I let it go very quickly. I felt like it had nothing to do with me.
So when we're able to be in that arena of, this is nothing personal, I would say then it's safer to say that there's nothing in the contract for us. However, sometimes attacks are very personal. brutal stuff happens to people. They will be activated because there's so much wounding created from what was happening to them.
Johnny Burke: It makes it more complicated, too, doesn't it?
Vasundhra Gupta: It makes it so much more complicated. At that point, even then, we realize it's not in our control. We can't bring them justice. We're not the people at play. However, some people become activists, and they become leaders in that space to speak for and advocate for other individuals. So who's not to say that that wasn't for themselves?
Johnny Burke: That situation created a positive impact; even though maybe one party was wounded, the other party learned something from that and maybe made up for the negative karma they created,
Vasundhra Gupta: Yeah, the question is very valid. Why is there a delay in the justice system? However, to be very honest, I have not found the exact answer to that because it goes above my head as well, but I have seen that Karma does catch up that much. I can tell you.
Johnny Burke: Right. I gues maybe that's our solace for some of us. That sooner or later, someone who does bad things is going to come back to them because it is cause and effect. We've heard this many, many times; nevertheless, it's, it's a complicated subject, to say the least, but I think you did a really good job of explaining that to us.
Vasundhra, thanks for joining us again. For all we know, there might be a part three in the future. There is definitely some good stuff. In the meantime, how can our listeners find you online?
Vasundhra Gupta: Thank you for having me here, Johnny. I am at my spiritual shenanigans wherever there is technology and social media and the internet and all things.