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As a white U.S. man who"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2020.51,"endTime":2022.79,"body":"got his start in teaching"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2020.51,"endTime":2022.79,"body":"English abroad at times it has"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2022.79,"endTime":2025.46,"body":"been difficult realizing where I"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2022.79,"endTime":2025.46,"body":"may have caused more harm than I"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2025.46,"endTime":2028.85,"body":"thought with a lesson plan or an"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2025.46,"endTime":2028.85,"body":"idea, or in grappling with the"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2028.85,"endTime":2031.43,"body":"privileged opportunities being a"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2028.85,"endTime":2031.43,"body":"U.S. citizen and English speaker"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2031.43,"endTime":2034.61,"body":"have granted me. 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And we must"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2046.43,"endTime":2049.94,"body":"remember critical theories"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2049.94,"endTime":2052.88,"body":"abolition work, these are not"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2049.94,"endTime":2052.88,"body":"tools of destruction. 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And while the"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2065.54,"endTime":2068.18,"body":"themes of today's conversations"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2065.54,"endTime":2068.18,"body":"were on the English language"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2068.18,"endTime":2071.51,"body":"classroom, we can imagine and"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2068.18,"endTime":2071.51,"body":"need this work in all areas of"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2071.51,"endTime":2074.72,"body":"what we do. As Jonathan noted,"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2071.51,"endTime":2074.72,"body":"this kind of change is not an"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2074.72,"endTime":2077.45,"body":"overnight process, but it is"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2074.72,"endTime":2077.45,"body":"within our grasp, if we are"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2077.45,"endTime":2080.87,"body":"willing. Again, I'm Jeremy"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2077.45,"endTime":2080.87,"body":"Gombin-Sperling Fulbright"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2080.87,"endTime":2084.56,"body":"America's diversity inclusion"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2080.87,"endTime":2084.56,"body":"liaison. Be well stay safe, and"},{"speaker":"Jeremy Ryan Gombin-Sperling","startTime":2084.56,"endTime":2085.31,"body":"until next time."}]}