Episode 225: First Blood (with John Wooliscroft of The Cinema Psychos Show)

We just passed America’s 250th birthday, so what better way to celebrate our nation’s history than by discussing a film about a veteran with PTSD who was chewed up, spit out, and left for dead by his own country? You’d be forgiven for thinking First Blood is just like any other Rambo film, but this one has a sincere message, and it utilizes a lot of restraint in telling it. So make yourself more presentable with a shave and a haircut as you listen to us discuss the movie, plus Richard Crenna’s campy performance, the upcoming prequel, and of course, Nathan’s incredible Sly Stallone impression. All of that and so much more with John Wooliscroft from The Cinema Psychos Show.

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First Blood stars Sylvester Stallone, Richard Crenna, and Brian Dennehy. Directed by Ted Kotcheff.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:27

I'm Nathan Simmons, and until you're the law, oh, here it's me.

SPEAKER_00 0:33

And I'm Dustin Ghost Hollywood, and give this man a CAR.

SPEAKER_03 0:37

And this franchise's naming convention walked so that Fast and Furious could run. This is the Silver Linings playlist, a podcast in some of Bleakest Ending Silver Lining that tries to find the cinema's blood first part two Rambo, the first one, aka C S I Pacific Northwest.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

I thought you were having a stroke for half a second there. I was like, what is happening?

SPEAKER_03 0:59

Oh man, I liked that.

SPEAKER_02 1:01

And boys, let's go. Oh no. I kept waiting for it. David Caruso's in this.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

He sure is. Little baby Caruso.

SPEAKER_03 1:11

I lost my fucking shit when he popped up.

SPEAKER_00 1:14

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Oh, welcome everyone to the Server Linnings playlist. As Bally so eloquently put it, we are a podcast that tries to watch movies that don't have happily ever after endings. And we try to find the good in them. And we're talking today about the first in a very confusing franchise that is the Rambo almost a trilogy. Oh my god, bite my tongue. Uh, what is it for five? There's like 27 of these fucking movies. Quintology? Is it quintology?

SPEAKER_02 1:42

I don't know. Scientology? Scientology. Scientology, if you will. It's a murder of Rambos, if you will.

SPEAKER_00 1:49

There you go. There you go. So we're talking about First Blood, the first film in this franchise that has a bit of an identity crisis. Sure does. That's how I would describe it.

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Yeah, this was a first-time watch for my wife, who was very surprised to find out this was not the movie she thought it was. Uh-huh. And all week she kept saying, like, so we're gonna watch Rambo this weekend. And finally I said, Would you believe it if I told you Rambo's the name of the fourth one?

SPEAKER_00 2:17

Uh huh. Uh-huh. I bet that second title was even more confusing for her, honestly.

SPEAKER_06 2:22

Right.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

But we couldn't do this alone. We had to bring in someone who I think would probably have some things to say about Stallone and this franchise in general. Please welcome. We've had uh his his other half on the show plenty of times before, but scheduling always makes a makes a fool of us all. But we do have him finally on here. We've got the great co-host from the cinema psycho show. Please give a warm welcome to Mr. John Wolliscroft.

SPEAKER_06 2:49

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:51

Welcome. Thank you. Thank you. You guys already hit on two things. I was trying to be quiet over here, but yeah, the the titling of these movies and how it went from like what can happen to somebody by you know the horrors of war to becoming just basically a product for the state government later. But yeah, I'm sure we'll get to all that. But uh but yeah, first and foremost, thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

Thanks for coming on.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

Oh, this is a delight. Yeah, that was the thing that kept hitting me throughout this because I I I hadn't watched this in a very long time. And it's so we see this happen a lot of the time where people don't have uh an understanding of the media that they intake. You know, there's there are people out there who've watched five seasons of The Boys and don't understand that Homelander was the villain of the show. Yep. Wait, what? Yes, and that's somehow that's Mallie, you gotta stay off the internet just for your own just for your own happiness. But that's has there's people who like think Tyler Durden is awesome and Fight Club, and it's very rare that the people who are making these movies are the ones who don't understand the material to the extent that Sylvester Stallone. But Sylvester Stallone is also a malignant narcissist, which is how you go from have worked with him, can confirm. Which, like, that's how you go from this movie, which is like a harrowing drama, to Last Blood, which might as well be like an ice fan fiction. Like, it is so it's so wild the journey that this this franchise goes on.

SPEAKER_00 4:21

Yeah, there's so much to get into with this one in particular. There's a lot of reasons we're covering First Blood this week. Uh, this is my pick. Number one, we are recording this on Father's Day, and I feel like to borrow the parlance from another podcast, this is a dad for noon. You put this movie on, dads are falling asleep halfway through it with a beer in hand, but they're loving every second of it.

SPEAKER_02 4:42

This is a dad ass movie. It absolutely is. I think you fall asleep when Stallone's traversing the cave. You know, it's it's dark in there, it's a little quiet. Yeah, that's when you dose.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And uh, we're also, you know, this episode will release two days after our nation's 250th birthday and probably its last time. But uh, this was also a request, if you can believe it. Uh, unfortunately, this was a request from Greg Noble on Facebook. And unfortunately, because we closed our Facebook down years ago, I don't have the message from him anymore. Greg, if you're still listening, I apologize for not being able to get in touch with you. But if you got thoughts on this movie and you want to tell us about them, email us at the several's playlist at gmail.com and I'll be happy to read them out on the next episode.

SPEAKER_02 5:29

Do you think the message was, hey, can you guys watch First Blood? Probably. It was probably just as simple as that. Oh, that would make sense.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

But there is also, I don't know if you guys know about this, but there's a prequel coming out next year from the director of the Nazi killing film Sisu. Hell yeah. It's coming out June 4th, next year, starring Noah Centenillo, who you may have seen in Black Adam as Adam Smasher. He was in that A24 movie Warfare and the upcoming Street Fighter, he's playing Ken. Nice. Okay. And uh yeah, we'll see what happens with that. So lots of different reasons for us to be talking about it. And of course, lastly, we are going to, if scheduling permits and everything works out, and you know, uh the rapture doesn't happen between now and then.

SPEAKER_02 6:13

We will be writing Rambo 7.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

We'll be collaborating with you, John and Brian, on uh an episode coming up for your show soon that may or may not have some Sly Stallone going on in there.

SPEAKER_02 6:24

We're just poking a rename our podcast after just Sly, you know.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

So this movie does ask the age-old question what if there was a first blood? And we're gonna find out. We're not covering the last blood, the middle bloods. Blue bloods.

SPEAKER_02 6:40

Well, as you just said, apparently this isn't the first blood because we're getting a prequel.

SPEAKER_00 6:45

Okay, that's very true. Maybe it's like the the blood hasn't been spilt yet in the in the prequel. Maybe it's still blue, as they say.

SPEAKER_02 6:52

Is it called no, it's it's female-centric, it's spotting. Oh god. Oh, good. John Rambo also co-stars James Franco. So great. I'm glad this is exists.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

Uh no. You know, that just made me think of. I think I mentioned this in the group chat. Isn't it weird that RB Hammer is back, but he's starring in UA Bowl movies? Like, what timeline are we in? The worst one, Dustin.

SPEAKER_02 7:18

The fucking worst one. You're right, you're right. It also, believe it or not, that movie entered production under the title Dark Knight because they were literally gonna cast like an almost Batman in the Dark Knight removable.

SPEAKER_00 7:32

So, what is everyone's relationship like with this movie? I'll tell you mine. I have not seen any of the sequels because I've seen them so much through like clips online, or I've listened to podcasts about them that I feel like I've already like through osmosis seen them, but I kind of don't want to see them because I feel like it would kind of taint what this movie is because I genuinely think this is a great movie.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

Yeah, I I think Rambo has sort of been its stock has gone down because of the reputation of the sequels. Yeah, the original is very good. I know I saw the sequels as a kid and just never really Rambo was never really my franchise. I I was more of a more of a predator kid because you throw them in the woods, but then also there's an alien, so that's cool. Oh, sure. Commando baby. Sure.

SPEAKER_00 8:20

Yo, you didn't like when Rambo uh was assisting the Mujahideen? You know the part through?

SPEAKER_02 8:26

Uh I did love Isn't that crazy? That's fucking crazy. It's it's just like in uh the third act of uh The Living Daylights when suddenly James Bond is is helping the telephone. So crazy. Um I remember I was in college when Rambo 4 came out, and I fucked with that movie heavy at the time, but I was also very much in my I just love over-the-top actioners era. I was what you know that fit in perfectly next to like the cranks and uh and movies like that. Is that the one with the infinite ammo gatling gun? Yes, and the throat and he pulls a squeezy throat grab at one point in the movie.

SPEAKER_00 9:09

Yep, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:10

And then yeah, and then I think Last Blood is one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my life.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 9:16

So it was interesting to go back to this for the first time in a very long time and and remember. Like John mentioned off mic before we started recording, Stallone uh had a lot of talent that he has spent decades being too much of an asshole for people to remember.

SPEAKER_00 9:31

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 9:31

And uh, I don't know, just it's a it's a very different movie from what I think a lot of people would expect it to be. Yeah, I fully agree. This was a point where he I think that he valued himself like like a Brando. Yeah, you know, and not before he just went like, what type of movies can I make that we can then put the merchandise in my planet Hollywood?

SPEAKER_00 9:51

Yes. Yeah. I mean, at this point he was like, you know, he had that chokehold over execs and everything of like he's got a writing credit on this one, but thankfully this was right before it really got bad to where like he controlled every aspect of it with like a cobra or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 10:07

So like yeah, this is just a couple years before Cobra happened to the world.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

Yeah. So like he's able to let people guide him through this one, and I think this may be his best acting in a movie.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

Like it's up there for sure.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

It's easy to dunk on him because of the slurred speech and all of that stuff. But I do think that ending monologue is genuinely very good.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

That was Ashley's takeaway, was she was just like, I didn't, you know, growing up through cult like through cultural osmosis, you see Rambo as this sort of beyond parody example of hyper masculinity.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

Yeah, I mean this this isn't his commando yet. No, we will get there with the sequels.

SPEAKER_02 10:43

And you watch this movie, and it's like this is a broken man who needs a hug. Yeah, like that's the resolution to the third act is Colonel Troutman gives him a hug.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

Yeah, that's the big fight at the end. Right.

SPEAKER_02 10:57

He already golds him.

SPEAKER_03 10:58

He's hug it out, bitch.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Yes, he does, which is very different than the ending we could have gotten because there is the alternate ending where he it basically is like suicide by cop, right?

SPEAKER_02 11:08

Which I think that's how the book ends. It is. Yeah, Troutman shoots him in the head. Yeah. Oh, if the sheriff just let him eat a fucking cheeseburger and take a dump, he would have left house.

unknown 11:16

Right. Sure.

SPEAKER_02 11:17

Cheeseburger solve everything. I need to eat at a diner. I need to take a runnier than usual crap, and then I'll be out of your town. I don't know. My buddy's dead. It's it's a sad poop.

unknown 11:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:29

God. He is a member of law enforcement. Show him respect. His name is Big Tom Callahan. Sure is.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

Ashley kept thinking Sheriff Will Teasel seemed like a weird old-timey threat.

unknown 11:41

He kind of does.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

The Sheriff Will Teasel.

SPEAKER_03 11:45

Keep your shoes on. That reminds me when I was younger and my dad threatened to waller me in the mud. Interesting. Okay. Yeah, I've been trying. We were standing in the middle of a dirt field. I don't know how he was gonna do it. That explains that tram stamp you have that says waller in the mud.

SPEAKER_00 12:02

I just like this is like three years before commando. So, like the fact that these two movies, when you like put them side by side, because this is like right before you know, like we talked about Sloan becoming almost a parody of himself. Sure. The way that this movie ends with this vet, yeah, having this mental breakdown and like you said, just getting the comfort of his superior, which is the resolution of the movie. Whereas Commando is, oh no, I'm gonna shoot these pipes and every single person on this island in the face. Like it is interesting, that's the dichotomy. It fucking rules. Oh, they both rule, don't get me wrong.

SPEAKER_02 12:35

And then even a couple of years later, Rambo 2 is more of like uh like the the the entire first movie is about the consequences of the war on the human spirit, and then the second one is like, hey Rambo, you want to go fucking end the war? You can do it, you can kill anybody you want. As you mentioned, the third one is about how great the those people over there in uh in the Middle East are. Yeah, you know, and I'm sure if there was an inner universe thing like John Rambo having his coffee on September 11th, go, hey, what is that? My old friend Sami.

SPEAKER_04 13:12

He better hope Steve Renazizi's not up there. My buddy Mark Wahlberg was there when they've gone down like that.

SPEAKER_00 13:20

JT, what's your relationship like with uh either this movie in particular or Rambo as a whole?

SPEAKER_02 13:26

So I've never seen any of the sequels. Fuck me, JT's here? Yeah, yeah, he's here.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

What's up, bud?

SPEAKER_02 13:31

Hey, I'm JT. I hope people know the difference between my soundboard and Mally's. All the bad ones are actually they're all good.

SPEAKER_00 13:40

Yeah, they're all good.

SPEAKER_02 13:42

But I think uh when the latest one came out, I was like, holy shit, I've never seen any of these. And so I just recently, within the last few years, watched this one, and I never went to the sequels because I didn't feel the need to.

SPEAKER_00 13:55

Yeah, that's how I feel.

SPEAKER_02 13:56

Yeah, that's yeah. But what I will say is uh I don't think the ending I saw was the same from this one, that one that you had on Plex.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

Oh, you saw the alternate ending?

SPEAKER_02 14:06

I think so. That's wild because I remember watching and I was like, this is different, I thought, but I could have been mistaken, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 14:13

You saw the one where he gets shot in the head?

SPEAKER_03 14:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:15

Yeah, that's the alternate ending.

SPEAKER_03 14:16

Yeah, wow. But just to be clear, you actually watched Rambo Firewalk with me first. And that was the problem, I think. Okay, yeah. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

Yeah, you can't do that. You can't do that, man. Melody, what's your history with this this franchise or this movie in particular?

SPEAKER_03 14:34

Oh, my father loves these fucking movies. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

Not a fan. I was waiting for that gunshot to go off again.

SPEAKER_03 14:43

I hovered over it for a second.

SPEAKER_00 14:46

So you're you're not a fan of this one, at least? No, this movie fucking rules. Oh, okay. Just making sure we're on the same page. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 14:51

No, no, no. You push play on this and it's just fucking starting again, starting again.

SPEAKER_00 15:01

Happy 4th of July, everybody.

SPEAKER_02 15:03

We gotta give him a quota against the like he has so much. Yeah, you get credit.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

Yeah. Oh man. I expected some David Caruso talk. I didn't know it was gonna be this loaded this early on in the episode, but uh, let's get into the info dump so we can run it back about uh the making of this movie.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

What's that uh line delivery from session nine where he goes, hey, fuck you. Like he points at the camera. Yeah, it's so good. Yeah, Nathan. I tried to find that clip.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

So the year is 1982. The director is Ted Kochev, who directed the original Fun with Dick and Jane back in 1977, and more importantly, directed I know what you're gonna say. You want to say Nathan? You seem eager.

SPEAKER_02 15:49

Weekend at Bernie's motherfucker. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

That's right. That's called Rage.

SPEAKER_02 15:54

Oh, so this dude only does fucking hits, only made masterpieces.

SPEAKER_00 16:00

Uh, this film stars Sylvester Stallode, Richard Crinna, and Brian Deneheat. And of course, there is a young David Caruso in here.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

And Chris Malkey from Twin Peaks is one of the deputies, and uh, one of the National Guardsmen is a young Bruce Greenwood. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

Wow, holy shit.

SPEAKER_02 16:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

The budget was $15 million and it managed to gross $125 million worldwide. This thing was a fucking hit.

SPEAKER_02 16:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

And it currently sits at an 86% on Rotten Tomatoes.

SPEAKER_02 16:32

Do you know about Richard Krinna, like how he got involved in the movie?

SPEAKER_00 16:35

I do not.

SPEAKER_02 16:36

He was a last-minute replacement for Troutman because the first weeks of filming, they had Kirk Douglas who constantly requested rewrites after agreeing to do the film, only referred to himself in the third person, and would constantly try to steal other actors' lines. Like he was like Jamie Taco in that I think you should leave sketch, where he would just start saying other people's lines, and Ted Kochev would be like, Hey, that's Brian's line. Yeah. And he goes, Uh, Kirk Douglas doesn't say this line. Kirk Douglas would say his line. God.

SPEAKER_03 17:10

That's fucking crazy. I don't think they had actually filmed anything with him yet.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

No, oh, was it just in like leading up to shooting?

SPEAKER_03 17:18

Yeah, because the other the guy who ended up playing the role, I think they said they called him on Friday because they were gonna start filming on Monday.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

Which it also explains why his performance is really weird. Yep. He had to be fedloned by the script soup for the first few days.

SPEAKER_03 17:35

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

Dude, he is so camp. Like every line is so cunty the way he says everything.

SPEAKER_02 17:41

Right? So good. Well, I kept thinking, like, he's he's like the Dr. Loomis of this movie. Like he shows up halfway through the film and he's like, hey, death has come to your town, Sheriff. Just wanted to put him into Halloween.

SPEAKER_00 17:55

Every line he kind of like throws his head back. He's like, he'll kill you. He'll do everything he can.

SPEAKER_03 18:00

He can't be stopped. God, imagine if he just had long flowing hair and doing that.

SPEAKER_06 18:05

Oh, oh.

SPEAKER_02 18:07

You love those kind of movies where an actor has to just be flown in by and they are driven immediately to set, put in costume, and went, there's a rough idea of who this character is. We'll feed you your lines off camera. He walks up to Dennehy and he's like, Are you Rambo? I don't have no idea what's happening.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

Best one to do it in my mind is Veronica Vaughn coming in last minute on Mortal Kombat. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Uh so Roger Ebert's written review. He gave this three out of four stars. It's interesting his his quones with the movie. He says, Almost all of First Blood is implausible, but because it's Stallone on the screen, we'll buy it.

SPEAKER_02 18:42

He loved Stallone. He really did to a certain point. Yeah. I mean, and what I love is the First Blood is the first installment in this franchise, but the original poster was just a you know a hero shot of Stallone, and the top of the poster just says Stallone. This time he's fighting for his life. And it's like we just know Stallone is shorthand for adventure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:04

Here we go again.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

Again. But he did say what we can't buy in this movie is the message. It's handled in too heavy-handed a way. Stallone is made to say things that would have been much better implied. I don't necessarily disagree, but I think that ending scene where again he has that ending monologue. I think it is I think it's true to the character, is what I'll say.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

Well, it's very stream of consciousness. Roger Ebert was looking for subtlety. Yeah, right. It's not about a one-man army like jacked up a small town sheriff woods. Like it's just relax and have fun with it. Uh-huh. I just always think about like when Roger Ebert takes qualms with movies for being ridiculous, and I'm like, you wrote Beyond the Valley of the Dolls. Yeah. And the unmade Sex Pistols movie. So maybe dial it back a bit, Roger.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

And uh lastly, he says, the ending doesn't work. This sort of spectacular conclusion has become so commonplace in action movies that I kind of wonder sometimes what it would be like to see one end with a whimper rather than a bang. What? I think this one ends with a whimper.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

I think it literally does. Yeah. Did he watch the alternate ending? You think he means that like Rambo should have been killed or died in the story? Maybe.

SPEAKER_00 20:13

Or maybe his reel just ended when like he, you know, Brian Dennis, he smashes through the ceiling and then just went to credits right there. Maybe he didn't get to see the actual whimper. A shot I repeated several times. Uh so I know they reviewed this thing on Athens Movies, but as far as I can tell, the clip is not available online. So we'll just have to go right over to the trailer, which I've never seen. So I'm curious to see how this movie was marketed versus how those sequels are marketed. So Rambo 3 is the one where they finally got it right.

SPEAKER_02 20:41

Let's see it.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

John Rambo.

SPEAKER_02 20:53

I know. It's great. Fucking hippie.

SPEAKER_04 21:03

Wait, you got like uh two motorcycles with a little house on the top?

SPEAKER_05 21:09

There's a diner about 30 miles on the highway. Is there any law against me getting stuffed in here? Yeah. Hey.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

Because this is just the first act of the movie. Yeah. Super cut previously on Rambo.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

I have a feeling this trailer's gonna go through like the whole movie in sequential order.

SPEAKER_03 21:25

We definitely had a replica of one of those knives when I was little.

SPEAKER_00 21:29

Oh yeah?

SPEAKER_03 21:29

With the hollow handle and the compass on the end. Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:34

Hey, real quick question. What the fuck was Galt's problem? I know, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:39

I don't want you to catch your own throat. John Rambo, one man who's been pushed too far.

SPEAKER_02 21:46

I miss voiceovers in trailers. Yeah. There's something about it. John Rambo.

unknown 21:53

Right on top of the book.

SPEAKER_01 21:54

There's no way out of here except for us.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

He's dressed like an apostle in the first half of the

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Yeah, he is. He's dressed like uh literally like Pete Posselthwaite in uh Dragonheart.

SPEAKER_00 22:06

Uh a little bit of cliffhanger action going on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:09

I guess this is just what Portland looks like in December. It's just so depressing. I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:19

Diesel, you and all your men.

SPEAKER_05 22:21

You and all your men gonna.

SPEAKER_02 22:27

I shot him six times. I shot him in the heart. See, you can never catch John Rambo.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

Are you telling me that 200 men against your boy is a no-win situation for us?

SPEAKER_03 22:41

God, that's the contiest code. Yeah, it's so good.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

A good supply of body bags.

SPEAKER_00 22:49

Oh, look at that freeze frame. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:52

God, I love freeze frames. Hell yeah! Look at that.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

I want to go watch the movie again. Fuck it. That was awesome.

SPEAKER_02 23:01

Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

Beautiful. Oh boy. Let's get into this thing, fellas. So my first note, starring Brian Denih, I went, oh hell yeah. You're damn right. Like my very first note.

SPEAKER_02 23:14

My first note was, oh, it's like the incredible Hulk in reverse. What if this was a secret Hulk movie, though?

SPEAKER_00 23:26

If he just Hulks out in the third act, oh fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:29

Honestly, this would be a great Hulk movie. Like a standalone Hulk film. I agree. That would fucking Marvel. Call me. How old do you guys think Brian Denihy was while filming this?

SPEAKER_02 23:39

27. I mean, he was 43, but to me, he looks like he's 60 years old.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Yeah, well, that's Brian Denahy, he always looked like that.

SPEAKER_02 23:47

He's always looked like that. That's the time period like when we found out Wilfred Bremley was like 38 making the thing out. That's fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_00 23:56

That's so nuts.

SPEAKER_02 23:57

I still disagree. He's like 42 in Cocoon. Let it roll, never die.

SPEAKER_00 24:03

God. So if you haven't seen First Blood, I highly encourage you to go watch it. But if you want to just listen on, John Rambo is a vet from the Vietnam War, and he enters this small northwestern town and he's looking for his old squad mate. But he's uh informs that uh that guy died from cancer last year after being exposed to Agent Orange. Agent Orange. Great band. I was gonna say, my my grandfather fought in Vietnam and actually died in 1998 from lymphoma that he got from Agent Orange.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

So like my mom's best friend uh that stuff too.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

Yeah, that stuff was so real.

SPEAKER_02 24:38

Yeah, it was far reaching. Yeah, yeah. I love this actress that he he talks to uh uh from Delmar's family, and she he like shows her the photo. It's a really nice little bit of acting from Stallone where he's like smiling and naming every single person in the photo, and she looks at him like he is like a representative of her pain. Yeah, he is like she looks disgusted by what he like represents, and his quiet, I'm sorry, is like so it's just really lovely stuff.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

Yeah, it's it's so interesting that this movie comes out only seven years after the end of the Vietnam War. And not only do we have a movie where we're dealing with someone with PTSD, but the stigma of how people treated those vets in particular as being inferior in morality and respectability to those that fought in, say, World War II, because I mean, unambiguously, we lost Vietnam.

SPEAKER_03 25:32

And you don't fucking say, Well, no, we left before we could lose it.

SPEAKER_00 25:37

That's true, that's true. We took our ball and went home. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

Like we just left in 73, and it's like, oh guys, you're on your own for the next two years. Yeah, we we said, why don't we just call it a draw?

SPEAKER_00 25:48

And because a lot of those who served during that war were like conscientious objectors to the war in the first place, like they come back home and it's just as bad as treated like thugs. Exactly. They're treated like thugs, or they're treated like pussies or anything, any kind of derogatory name you could think of. Yeah. By like the boomers and the Gen Xers and everybody like I appreciate your plug from a mixtape thugs and pussies.

SPEAKER_02 26:11

August.

SPEAKER_00 26:12

Damn, Zud, where'd you find this?

SPEAKER_03 26:14

Thugs and pussies. So wait, you're releasing an album for your one-man show? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:19

Oh, that's fucking awesome. Uh-huh. It'll be thug and pussy. Thug and pussy monologues. Vietnam is also televised. Yeah. So I think that had a lot to do with how they were treated.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:29

Which is wild.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:30

It was the first war where people were like really kind of on the ground in real time. Yeah, you know, uh reporting on it. And so people started to like form their own opinions instead of like it being part of this big propaganda machine.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

It was also like one of the wars, at least from like recent memory, where like we got involved with shit we had no business being involved with. Like World War II, at least there was an excuse, right?

SPEAKER_02 26:52

And we held out till like the last possible moment to get involved. Wait, so are you are you suggesting that out of nowhere, under suspicious circumstances, John F. Kennedy was murdered in downtown Dallas on the day he was buried that Lyndon Johnson signed referendum 213, which reversed our initial withdrawal of our um advisors from Vietnam. And then we had a draft. Are you saying this is some kind of horrible mistake? You're calling us some kind of suicide squad? Yeah, a uh military industrial complex could rise.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

Yeah, listen, I'm not saying it, but if someone else wants to say it, I'll mow ears. That's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

Are you telling me the Bell helicopter was nearly bankrupt when the first National Bank of Boston throws about making a helicopter for Indochina usage? Listeners can't see, but John is actually the cigarette smoking man from X-Finals.

SPEAKER_07 27:46

My skin is just as bad from not moisturizing.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

So Rambo makes his way to the next ten over Forks, Washington. I'm sorry, it's actually Holidayland. What a name, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

Oh my god. Imagine the ghost truck just drives by.

SPEAKER_02 28:05

He does walk by a sign that says welcome to hope. And I was like, okay, is this the subtlety that Roger Ebert was looking for?

SPEAKER_00 28:13

And the local sheriff Teesel, mistaking him for a vagrant, offers to drop him off outside of town, not even letting John stop to get food on the way.

SPEAKER_02 28:21

I mean, he is a vagrant. He is like, he truly tells us at the end, he's like, I can't, I have no house. I just wander from town to town quantum leaping, trying to make right what once went wrong.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

I come into town and for about 30 minutes, maybe even 45, if we got commercial breaks, I'll come in, solve a problem. And at the end of the day, I'm just gonna be walking down this lonely road and a piano song's gonna start playing.

SPEAKER_02 28:43

It's an unbeatable strategy. And I do like this is almost sort of like an abbreviated version of the Jaws opening, right? With Teasel driving around town saying hi to everybody by name.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:54

So we get the idea that he he knows everyone, everyone knows him, and then the first person he doesn't know is Rambo, so he stops. Right. And he clearly hasn't shaved today.

SPEAKER_00 29:06

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's not about any of this shit. He tells Rambo, you gotta get out of my town, I'll drop you off on the edge of town, you can get food at the next town over, whatever. And as soon as he turns his place car around, Rambo's attempts to just make his way back into town, and then this shit just pops off immediately. The sheriff tries to arrest him for the crime of seemingly wanting to get a bite to eat.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

Well, I mean, Dinahy's so good at having a friendly face that barely hides that this person is a real piece of work. Like it's it's perfect casting. I think Stallone plays Why Are You Pushing Me, while knowing the answer really well. Yep. And the last thing Teasel says after dropping him off is to tell him to bathe. And I'm like, asshole, you unrolled the red carpet. Where is he supposed to get a bath? Yep. In that shitty ass town, you know, next door. Right. Drop him off in Shelby Bill.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

I mean, this is what we do with with homelessness now, right? We're like, get out of our town, go over the next, we'll dri bust you out to the next town over to deal with that shit. So and I gotta say, man, this town is so fucking cozy. You got the mountains right there, they're snow capped, you got this fog, there's a delicatessen on the corner. Like, I want to just hang out here for a day.

SPEAKER_02 30:17

Again, a weirdly violent movie that is extremely cozy. I don't I don't know if it's just I don't the the energy of this one was just man, it was like a warm bath. It's also Christmas.

SPEAKER_00 30:29

I was just about to say, JT, we do have to contend with the fact that this is a Christmas movie, technically.

SPEAKER_03 30:34

Rambo is Tiny Tim growing up. Imagine if it just cut to Rambo and he was just holding a tiny cactus.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

Tiny Tim ditched those crutches for like a treadmill and some weights. Yeah. So yeah, T Swings John in, and the other officers attempt to book him, but Rambo gives them a hard time by not complying, and they subject him to police brutality in the form of beating him with a nightstick and blasting him with a fire hose.

SPEAKER_03 31:01

Them trying to fingerprint him and then like their screaming and yelling, he has just the blankest look on his face.

SPEAKER_02 31:07

Oh it's so fucking funny. This movie is so good at weaponizing Stallone's blank homunculous stare. Yep, yep. Oh, we get the fucking nom flashbacks.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

Oh man, the flashback where we see his mustache.

SPEAKER_02 31:22

Oh, yeah, the mustache.

SPEAKER_00 31:23

Oh, God. Is that what Ever had a problem with? Shit like that. Maybe. I don't know. I I like the little flash. I like that it doesn't go full deer hunter.

SPEAKER_02 31:31

If you show me he has a mustache in the 70s, why doesn't he have a mustache now?

SPEAKER_00 31:35

I I like that it doesn't go full deer hunter where there's like an entire scene where we see him being tortured or anything. I like that it is just as if it's him having those flashes in his mind of it.

SPEAKER_02 31:44

Ah, I fucking love Deer Hunter. But they apparently cut a bunch of like longer flashbacks. There's a there's a sequence where there was a whole sex scene with the Vietnamese prostitute that they cut, and I'm just like, that's not necessary for the story you're telling here. No. Because the the original cut of this movie was like over three hours.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

That's what I heard, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

That's what Stallone claims. Everyone else involved in the production is like Stallone is a liar. That's absolutely not true.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

You know what that probably is? That's probably the assembly cut he's thinking of, and thinking this is it, this is the edit. 100%.

SPEAKER_07 32:16

Well, Stallone probably might uh was bringing uh 100 uh women to play Vietnamese prostitutes, and I'll see if chemistry with all of them.

SPEAKER_04 32:24

Yeah, they're not gonna believe I'll survive in the woods if they can't see me fucked.

SPEAKER_02 32:29

So um, and just make sure, put on the resume. It's starting to turn to Mike Irman Trout. Yeah, put up put on the resume that you cradle the balls, work the shaft, finish the line. No, I'm not going. Everybody knows the famous tape. There is that deleted shot in Demolition Man, where he he steps out and he like he clearly had off, you know, off camera tugged himself just enough to have like a half chub. Yeah, a little chub, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 32:55

So if you'd be like, hey, look at my little chub, it always looks like this.

SPEAKER_03 32:59

Yeah, God, I fucking love Demolition Man.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

I would not be surprised if he was like thinking it was three hours. He's like, Well, we filmed everything, we have to put it in the movie. Like he put every take back to back. He's like, it's three hours.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

He doesn't understand how anything works.

SPEAKER_04 33:14

That explains the later Rocky movies. Yes, yep. Well, we filmed the robot, we're not just gonna put it in the movie.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

This is mostly for you, Nathan, but I wonder if the merchant from Resident Evil 4 making that comment of what are you hunting, stranger elephants? Elephants is a nod to this movie because that one cop takes his hunting knife and he goes, What are you hunting? Elephants?

SPEAKER_02 33:37

Oh yeah, I bet it is.

SPEAKER_00 33:38

Yeah. So yeah, they start beating the shit out of this guy, trying to force him to shave. And yeah, man, this is fucking crazy. The way he bursts out of this fucking police station. He beat he like finds cops to beat. Like, he goes into like every room. Is there a cop in here?

SPEAKER_02 33:52

I gotta do the Wonder Woman slide kick on this one cop. I mean, I get it.

SPEAKER_03 33:57

I also hate being shaved against my will. Chrissy was watching this with me, and at this point, she was like, Wait, what did he do again?

SPEAKER_02 34:05

Yeah, like did he fucking like kill somebody on the way back in? Like, what's going on?

SPEAKER_00 34:10

Yeah, they just don't like hippies, man.

SPEAKER_02 34:12

Yeah, it is a whiplash of what have David Crusoe's played as like the sweet one of the group, and even then he's like not fully politically correct. He goes, Come on, can't you see this guy is crazy? It's a real bummer. Like, I feel so bad for him. You're gonna just keep saying that, but I don't think Crusoe's in this movie. I'm pretty sure that's howdy duty with diabetes. Oh, for real. Howdy beaties. Did every fucking police station in the 80s just have like a fire hose? I hope so. This is an impressive police station, yeah, for such a small town. Yeah, they have multiple cells for their small town. Like, what is the fucking crime rate in hope? Like Twin Peaks would put people in a cubicle if they arrested them.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

And so, yeah, he breaks out of this police station, he steals a dirt bike. Man, he yoinks this guy off this dirt bike. It is so fucking funny.

SPEAKER_02 35:02

Ashley yelled, them Duke Boys. There's so many shots of cars like flying through the air.

SPEAKER_00 35:08

The stunt work I think is pretty good during this police chase. Like when they jump over those railroad tracks, that car gets some fucking air, dude. Yeah. I expected a hubcat to start rolling off down the street. That's always the best when there's a big jump in the.

SPEAKER_03 35:21

I love he fucking sweeps that dude's leg in the lobby. Oh god, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:25

It's so good. Oh, the leg, Johnny. He just came into work, too. He just walked in. He just he has no idea what's going on.

SPEAKER_00 35:34

He needed a cup of coffee and a jelly donut and just get drop kicked as this guy's running out the door.

SPEAKER_03 35:40

I never notice he kind of hits the purple rain spin move there. He does. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:44

Hell yeah. You know, the motorcycle guy probably went to report that his bike just got stolen and all the goddamn cops are in the woods.

SPEAKER_00 35:52

Look, I've said it before on this show a number of times. I'm gonna say it again. We gotta get back to police cars looking like this. I know. Could not agree more.

SPEAKER_02 35:59

It looks good. It does. It's the best. Fucking dodge chargers suck. Didn't he slowly driving down the side of the hill is so funny to me. Like that was an accident.

SPEAKER_03 36:09

Yeah, the way this chase ends with the car just slowly sliding and flipping over.

SPEAKER_02 36:14

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 36:15

Nathan, there's a Smithscrew station wagon, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 36:18

There it is. Someone gave him lessons.

SPEAKER_00 36:21

This town is like 90% gas stations. I don't know if you guys clock this, but like every shot.

SPEAKER_03 36:25

Yeah. Oh, you should come to where I grew up.

SPEAKER_02 36:28

There's a shot later in the movie that is like seven gas stations with a car lot in the middle, and it's just like, well, they're gonna need gas for all these fucking cars.

SPEAKER_00 36:37

So yeah, there's this police chase that ends with uh TSA flipping his car and Rambo escaping into the woods where he comes across like this abandoned construction site and he makes some makeshift clothes and prepares for the impending manhunt while TSA preps his deputies.

SPEAKER_02 36:52

Ashley said he looks like he's about to do a cool Bible play. Yes, yeah. Motherfuckers out here auditioning for Hamnet.

SPEAKER_00 36:59

I love that this movie only takes like 20 minutes before we get to like the whole premise of it. It's just it moves. Yeah. It's just them versus Rambo. That's the movie.

SPEAKER_02 37:08

Screenwriting 101.

SPEAKER_00 37:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:09

It's like the 20 to 30 page marker.

SPEAKER_00 37:11

Yep, yep. So Rambo attempts to evade the police by like climbing down this incredibly steep mountain ledge, and then this police chopper comes in. This is so fucking cool. This this whole little set piece is great.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

Yeah. They have a chopper. Yeah. Again, what is the crime rate in this fucking tiny town?

SPEAKER_00 37:27

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 37:28

Well, we do hear Teasel says that he wants a chopper, and they're like, okay, well, I'll see if the guy's home. Like it's apparently a citizen that they borrow this from. Yeah, it's just a dude. And he says to cite him if they if he tells them no. Like they're like, get write him a ticket if he won't let you use your chopper. For obstruction of justice. Right. And then this chopper guy, uh to his credit, this pilot, uh, he's not a snitch because Galt like threatens to murder him and he never mentions it to the sheriff.

SPEAKER_00 37:56

Sure doesn't. Even after Galt's dead on the rocks here in a minute. Right. Yeah, one of the deputies, Galt, who's got like a vendetta out against Rambo, he's in the passenger seat of this chopper and he's trying to snipe Rambo off this ledge. And so he has to leap off this mountain range into the trees below. This shit's crazy. This is like a 70-foot drop at least down into these trees. Stallone did this stunt, apparently. Yeah, and broke his rib.

SPEAKER_03 38:19

Well, the last shot of it he did.

SPEAKER_00 38:21

Yeah, where he lands in that treetop.

SPEAKER_02 38:24

Yeah, he he did not jump 70 feet off a fucking cliff.

SPEAKER_00 38:27

Yeah, he did not leap off this mountain. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:29

Is it wrong that I'd love for him to do it now? I'll challenge him. He would do it, and then he'd just die. You don't think I could?

SPEAKER_04 38:37

You think I can't?

SPEAKER_02 38:38

I'll land on my feet.

SPEAKER_04 38:40

I'm part cat.

SPEAKER_03 38:42

That's not flying, that's just falling with no style whatever. Oh, he's dead. I know.

SPEAKER_00 38:47

I know. So this chopper like lowers down into like the trees, and like this shot where we just kind of like slide back and forth between Rambo hiding behind the tree. It's such a good fucking shot. Oh, it's fucking great. And they're like trying to take pot shots at him, but it's so funny that Rambo just picks up a rock and throws it at this chopper. Yeah. Doesn't hit anything, like he hits the windshield of it, and then this this makes Galt fall to his death, and this this dude splatters on this fucking rock. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 39:16

Galt also like undoes his own safety harness. Honestly, the rock throw might be the scampiest move of the movie.

SPEAKER_00 39:23

It is so scamp.

SPEAKER_03 39:24

Oh, I think John Landis must have co-directed this part. Oh boy.

SPEAKER_07 39:30

He's like, no, it's a helicopter scenario.

SPEAKER_03 39:34

Okay. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 39:37

Alright. Alright. Yeah, I know he splats on this fucking rock, dude. This is crazy. And the cots get to the mountain, they see Galt's body down below. And I love John just coming out with his hands up, going, I didn't do this. It was an accident. It's not my fault. And they just start trying to kill him. Oopsie Daisy.

SPEAKER_02 39:52

You're drawing first blood. Roll credits.

SPEAKER_00 39:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:55

He fell from the helicopter. Wasn't me.

SPEAKER_00 39:58

He tried to shoot him, so he runs off into the woods. And I love the little detail of his hunting knife having the hollowed-out handle, so he's got a suture kit inside. That's so cool.

SPEAKER_02 40:08

Which he still has. Like he's just always ready to go.

SPEAKER_00 40:11

Pretty sweet.

SPEAKER_02 40:12

I mean, these these cops are all old boying too close to the sun.

SPEAKER_00 40:16

Like it is Wait, they're trying to have sex with their daughter? Wait, what?

SPEAKER_02 40:19

Maybe good old boy. There you go, okay. So it turns into very quickly the posse from Halloween 4 is like out in the woods.

SPEAKER_00 40:27

Yep. Yep. And this is where Tisla is informed over the radio that Rambo was a green beret, but that doesn't deter him from catching Rambo alive in the woods. Uh-huh. A storm starts to brew as Rambo begins making traps and tensions rise amongst the cops. I love this little scene where there's the guy that's like squatted down on the rocks of around Galt's body. Yeah. This whole set piece is great. So unfortunately, there is some off-screen dog deaths here because the cops start sicking Dobermans on Rambo, but luckily you don't see him. You just hear I'm thinking he stuck these dogs like pigs, dude.

SPEAKER_02 41:03

Rambo mistakes them for vampires and uses all of his little stakes. Oh no, a bunch of Dracula. These Draculas are on four legs. They've evolved a bunch of Dr.

SPEAKER_00 41:14

Collins coming over the woods.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

I see. I know you guys are games, because you mentioned Resident Evil. Like I remember playing The Last of Us, uh-huh. Like both of the games, and like when you had to kill the dogs. I mean, I know that they would use dogs, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:27

Dustin loves that part. Like it's his favorite part of the game. I actually never made it past that part in the game. I refused to do it. Those games were really short from my perspective.

SPEAKER_02 41:37

I think I've talked about this on the show before. I love that the characters will react to finding a body, either of one of their compatriots or one of the dogs. Yeah. Like I know it's fucked up, but there's nothing funnier than like killing a seraphyte and then hearing one of them go like, Charles!

SPEAKER_00 41:54

They called that game dog killer simulator.

SPEAKER_02 41:57

That's right. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 41:58

No, I don't want to do it, but I gotta.

SPEAKER_02 42:01

Oh, but you go out of your way. Uh I was there for the gameplay.

SPEAKER_00 42:05

I didn't go, I sprinted up to those dogs. Here's a Molotov, Fido, eat it.

SPEAKER_02 42:11

Also, can I mention we were talking about you mentioned Twilight, Dustin, and we were talking about dogs that so Rambo would first think that they're vampire dogs and not werewolves, a thing that involves dogs.

SPEAKER_00 42:27

You don't even think they're dogs at first, it's vampire dogs specifically. And then werewolves, then dogs. He goes down the train of command like that.

SPEAKER_02 42:33

Once he noticed they didn't have diamond skin. Oh, it's the uh hounds of Dracula.

SPEAKER_00 42:38

So Tsil and the Cots fan out and begin searching for Rambo in the forest, but using his military tactics, Rambo begins picking them off one by one, sprinting out of the bushes and stabbing them in the ass or like leaping out of trees to knock them out. But I think it's important to note I think it's important to note he does not kill any of them, even when given the chance.

SPEAKER_02 42:59

Right. He like strings them up, he he like embarrasses them, he's aiming all for like kneecap shots.

SPEAKER_00 43:05

No, like he like runs up on like David Caruso and stabs him in the butt cheeks, man. I don't know what to tell you. He literally stabs him in that he does.

SPEAKER_02 43:12

And I love Dennahi sinking down and just crying against the tree. And I wish he just said Rambo's the scariest guy I've ever seen in my life.

SPEAKER_00 43:20

Oh my god. This whole set piece is great because you're doing so much with so little. Yeah, it's just the boys out in the woods, just straight vibing.

SPEAKER_03 43:27

Not a cell phone in sight, just living in the fucking moment of hunting a guy. Yeah. We used to be a proper country.

SPEAKER_00 43:34

He eventually incapacitates all the cops and confronts Tisa by putting a fucking hunting knife up to his neck. Yeah. And he tells him, let it go, or there'll be a war between us, and then he runs off into the fucking woods again. Yeah, I like Tisa just falling to his feet and just crying. He's like, fucking God. I can't die. Who's gonna take care of Callahan Breaks?

SPEAKER_03 43:53

Who's gonna take care of the bowl of chocolate pudding in my underpants?

SPEAKER_02 43:58

God And then I love cutting to the reporter and like the media is already shaping the story, right? Like they're saying Rambo killed a deputy, he's heavily armed. The police are gonna try to take him down, but their their training and their quick thinking kept them alive. It's like, no, he left them alive. Well, thank God that the news has finally become unsensationalized since this movie. You know?

SPEAKER_00 44:21

Yeah, nothing but facts. No spin here. Fair honest integrity.

SPEAKER_02 44:26

The original ending of this movie had him escaping in a white Bronco. We just watched that for a while.

SPEAKER_00 44:31

So they set up a field hospital in a base camp, and Teotsil and his crew are patched up as the local news begins reporting on the situation. And this is where we get introduced to Colonel Troutman, who trained Rambo, and he shows up and offers to assist by quote unquote rescuing the cops from Rambo, not the other way around.

SPEAKER_02 44:48

Incredible reveal of God didn't make Rambo. I made him camera whips over into this motherfucker standing there. Yep. Oh, it's so good. Oh, cunty coat. Troutman's plan is basically well, you gotta ignore him till he doesn't think he's in Vietnam anymore. That's basically what he tells them. There's trees there, there's trees here. He's confused. I do feel that Troutman is a villain in this movie. Yeah. Although just not as bad as the cops. Yeah. He made a psychopath. Yes. You know, scarebox Rambo.

SPEAKER_00 45:20

I do like the through line too that he's in all of these movies as well. I like that. So back in the woods, Rambo begins hunting the local wildlife to survive. Maybe getting some big Send Help vibes. Sure. Yeah. Hunting these boars out in the woods. And then Trotman tells Tiesel he should just let Rambo go so they can pick him up later in like Seattle or something. Yeah. And Tisa's like, fuck that. But he does eventually relent.

SPEAKER_02 45:43

Why don't you lay out a tuna sandwich for him to see if he comes by? Leave out a saucer of milk.

SPEAKER_01 45:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:50

Well, a box and a stick trick.

SPEAKER_04 45:52

Yeah, under a box held up by a stick. A piece of candy. A piece of candy.

SPEAKER_07 45:57

One of the finango meetings with uh between bricks.

SPEAKER_00 46:03

It is crazy that it's 220 plus episodes. We're just now talking about Stallone in a movie. I know. Isn't that crazy? So Troutman attempts to contact Rambo over Galt's radio that Rambo took, and Rambo informs Troutman that the last remaining members of his squadron are now dead. They're all gone, sir. That he is the last one left, and that Tiesel drew quote unquote first blood. They drew first blood. Reddits. It's pretty good. Yeah. Pretty good. I like him out in this little campfire, just looking out in the middle distance, just haunted.

SPEAKER_02 46:34

Yeah. It's Troutman's most likable moment in the movie, too, when he gets on the radio and he says, Talk to me, Johnny. You see the flicker of recognition in Rambo's eyes, and then that is immediately like derailed by the bit where he like encounters the kid in the woods and very nearly almost kills him. Like I love this moment where he like looks at the kid in the eyes. He's like maybe he's like sees himself a little bit or something. I don't know. It's it's really well done. Could have been a five-star movie.

SPEAKER_00 47:02

So yeah, the next morning, an even bigger manhunt is conducted by deputized soldiers, and they corner Rambo in this old mine shaft before blowing it up with a literal bazooka.

SPEAKER_02 47:12

Fucking crazy. The budget for this town police force. I know is staggering.

SPEAKER_00 47:18

There's some corruption going on. I need an audit of these people's expenses.

SPEAKER_02 47:22

It also just really got me because the guy holding the rocket launcher looks like Weird Owl in UHF. Like he has the same mustache. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 47:30

So yeah, they think they've killed him, and TSL and Trapman arrive on scene, but Rambo has escaped further into the tunnels. Yeah. I love the cut from TSL radioing in and saying, Hey, don't shoot Rambo, but I want to bring him in to just everybody unloading on this fucking mic.

unknown 47:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:48

Love watching Rambo make the torch. Uh, like all of that stuff is just really nicely done in silence. But I did want him to be like, there's another boo-rocks down here.

SPEAKER_00 47:57

Yeah. I I like the the juxtaposition though of him down there having a bad time. He's like falling off of ledges and rats are swarming him.

SPEAKER_04 48:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:06

To just Brian Denehy in this coat in this bar having a drink. It's so cozy.

SPEAKER_04 48:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:11

And uh yeah, Troutman and Teasel have a uh a much comfortable time in that bar, and they're kind of making amends a little bit. A little bit. It's funny because it almost is like paralleled of like Teesel never really working a day in his life versus Rambo, who's literally like trudging through the waters and everything.

SPEAKER_02 48:27

Something cut from the film is that Teasil was a Korean War veteran. Oh. And so he was like angry about like feeling like his own war had been forgotten in the way that yeah, Vietnam went down. But in the the way it plays out in the movie is a little muddled because I I think this scene of Denehy apologizing for like flipping out at Troutman's really nice. But then Troutman is just basically being like, Yeah, you gotta kill. That's what you do. We all got confused in Vietnam. We killed a lot of people. The movie's about how violence begets violence, but it's not totally there until like it really takes it until that last monologue to really kind of hammer home what we're doing here.

SPEAKER_00 49:03

Well, I I like that T-Soul says, you know, I wanted to kill that kid so bad I could taste it. And then you see Troutman kind of take that in and he goes, Doesn't sit well with that badge. Yeah. And I'm like, that's fucking goddess ass. That's a great line. It's really good.

SPEAKER_02 49:16

I love that he has respect for Troutman too, because unlike Rambo, he's shaved and has a haircut you can set your watch to. I'm stealing that. A haircut you can set your watch to is so good. Imagine if his hair was like long and had a beard, it's like, God didn't mech Rambo.

SPEAKER_06 49:34

I did show them.

SPEAKER_02 49:36

Are you God? You have a long beard.

SPEAKER_00 49:40

So Rambo finds a ladder leading out of the mines and back into the woods as trucks carrying supplies begin vacating the base camp. And this is where like you could just like slink off into the woods, but he literally jumps on the back of this truck, hijacks it, and throws this dude out. And the guy's like, Oh, there's an M60 in the back. I don't know why, but there is. Yeah. Yeah, maybe we do need to like see what's going on with the funding for this police department and this town in general.

SPEAKER_03 50:06

This is crazy. I keep getting distracted. I'm just watching the fucking movie again right now.

SPEAKER_02 50:10

I know.

SPEAKER_00 50:11

It's always a problem.

SPEAKER_02 50:12

I like the detail that Rambo tells this kid to go home when he shoves him out of the truck.

SPEAKER_00 50:17

I like it because he's like, I don't have a beef with you. And he's like, What's your name? And he's like, Robert A. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:22

He goes, Will Robert A, what you got in the back here?

SPEAKER_00 50:25

He's like, I don't got a beef with you, Robert A.

SPEAKER_04 50:26

Yeah, it's really good.

SPEAKER_07 50:28

My name's Silver. Oh, I'm a fresh face so first day on the job.

SPEAKER_00 50:34

It's like, yeah, another police chasing Sues as Rambo drives through this police barricade. This shit's crazy. There's this nice little like fiery car stunt here, and him like rolling over the police cars. His truck gets some air too.

SPEAKER_02 50:46

Love it. Second exploding gas station in as many episodes.

SPEAKER_00 50:50

This is so unnecessary. I don't know why he needs to do this. I mean, I get it's to cause like a distraction, but like this asshole, Rambo pulls his truck up, lights it on fire, and it blows up this gas station, too.

SPEAKER_05 51:00

They'll be looking for a man on fire because they'll disrespect me.

SPEAKER_00 51:05

And so yeah, he takes this M60 machine gun and uh starts making his way through the town. It's nighttime by this point. Yeah. And uh Tiesel tells the citizens of the town evacuate the streets, get inside. And then, man, this is where he finds out Rambo is alive. Yeah. And Tisel's like, I intend to end this here and now, and he starts starts gearing up.

SPEAKER_01 51:23

What's this moment when he destroyed this town? He said to himself, I'm gonna tell my buddy uh summer to get it.

SPEAKER_07 51:30

This is just this is how you know, but maybe try with one of them flying cars.

SPEAKER_00 51:34

I gotta tell the rest of the expendables about this.

SPEAKER_07 51:39

Well, he saw me. Don't hold a gun toss.

SPEAKER_00 51:42

This gas station explosion, though, is so big. You see the camera shake even though it's locked down. I thought that was so fucking cool.

SPEAKER_02 51:49

This is when I wrote down this city is only gas stations and a dairy queen. Dude, some chicken tenders where gravy sounds so fucking good right now. Yeah, speaking of gravy, don't you dare.

SPEAKER_00 52:01

What? What, Nathan? You're gonna talk about some glass tables? Is that what we're getting into?

SPEAKER_04 52:04

No, I'm done.

SPEAKER_00 52:07

All right, thanks, Rambo. Gotta go. So, a cat and mouse game begins in the desolate streets of this town.

SPEAKER_03 52:13

Nathan can't stop at this point.

SPEAKER_00 52:15

As Rambo Something's wrong with me. The way Rambo cuts power to the buildings in this town is he shoots the Transformers, but then sometimes he just also shoots up the buildings. I'm like, why are you such an asshole? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:28

Like he's just firing on a like an antique store, and he's like, Yeah, fuck you, Knickknecks.

SPEAKER_00 52:34

My squad mate was named Nick Neck, and he didn't make it back.

SPEAKER_02 52:38

Odds are good that was the name of a character on the Rambo cartoon series. Wait, wait, wait. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 52:45

Oh my friend, of course there was an 80s Saturday morning cartoon about this. Of course.

SPEAKER_02 52:51

Oh, else do you make toys? I'm not on the internet, John. How else do you make toys? Like that's anything that was Robocop in the crypt. Just create a kid's version of it so you can sell toys. Mm-hmm. What's Robocop?

SPEAKER_03 53:04

Wait, what was the cartoon?

SPEAKER_00 53:06

I have no fucking idea. It was before my time, unfortunately. JT, Google it. Okay. And so Tissel is like on the roof of this police station searching the town for Rambo.

SPEAKER_02 53:17

This is a great shot. Like him on the roof with the fire in the distance and just the Christmas lights. I man, that's a great shot. Merry Christmas movie out.

SPEAKER_04 53:29

Merry Christmas, you old building alone.

SPEAKER_00 53:32

I'm gonna blow you up too. This continues Rambo's obsession with causing explosions because for some reason he goes into a gun store, even though he's got an M60, yeah, and he's like, I'm gonna set all these bullets on fire so they just start flying in every direction.

SPEAKER_02 53:46

Well, you know, it's like the best time to look for a job is when you have one. These are pretty good, but I'm happy with what I got. There's always a bigger gun.

SPEAKER_00 54:01

And so Rambo spots Tel on the roof of the police station and shoots the ever-loving shit out of this building before he makes his way inside and he likes starts shooting up through the roof and hits Brian Dennehy, who falls through a skylight. This is a pretty great stunt. Crazy. Okay, JT's googling the rainbo cartoon. Does he have a pet monkey in one of these? Correct.

SPEAKER_02 54:25

What? This shit looks wild.

SPEAKER_00 54:26

Hold on, hold on. Let's move this over here so the boys can see it.

SPEAKER_02 54:29

It's Rambo and the Force of Freedom. Here we go. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_00 54:33

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 54:34

This is a goofy looking doll. Wait, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This man rocks a sleeveless hoodie.

SPEAKER_00 54:39

Oh, hell yeah, he does.

SPEAKER_02 54:40

Can we just watch like the opening titles of the Rambo cartoon? Sure, sure.

SPEAKER_00 54:45

Look that up, JT.

SPEAKER_02 54:46

The what now? Just the opening titles.

SPEAKER_00 54:48

We'll get into the end of the movie after that.

SPEAKER_02 54:50

Type in Rambo cartoon feet. Mr. Beast. Mr. Beast. Rule 43, Minecraft, Robux.

SPEAKER_00 55:00

Fortnite books or whatever. I love that JT. Do you want me to handle this? You're on images right next to you. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_02 55:06

I'm still looking at the image. Yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 55:09

I'll drive, sweetheart.

SPEAKER_03 55:11

JT, this is the whole reason you're here.

SPEAKER_00 55:14

I got it, sweetheart.

SPEAKER_02 55:16

No one will be seated while he searches for the There we go. The Force of Fru 1986. Yeah. Same year as Rambo 2, I think.

SPEAKER_00 55:28

Oh, of course it's Karaoke. Look at that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:32

I thought it was about to flash up as criteria. Ooh, shiny.

SPEAKER_00 55:38

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:40

Biceps.

SPEAKER_00 55:41

What is he doing with an arm? Hold on. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 55:44

I'm jerking it. And by it, I mean my peanuts.

SPEAKER_00 55:49

Is anybody else deeply aroused? I'm so hard right now, I gotta tell you.

SPEAKER_02 55:56

Oh fuck yes, brother. Holy shit. Oh my god, that dog's eyes. It's basically G.I. Joe, but Rambo. Yeah.

unknown 56:05

There's only one man to call.

SPEAKER_02 56:07

Oh, there he is.

unknown 56:08

Rambo.

SPEAKER_03 56:09

What younger there.

SPEAKER_00 56:10

Get me Robocop. I mean Rambo.

unknown 56:14

From the canyons of skyscrapers to the canyons of remote loving beasts.

SPEAKER_06 56:18

Liberty's champion history stuff.

SPEAKER_00 56:22

Wow, look at that.

SPEAKER_02 56:24

Oh, I I would love to count how many times this is just ethically dubious, this cartoon.

SPEAKER_00 56:28

Uh no.

SPEAKER_02 56:29

Wait, whoa. This is reminding me of the opening titles of the Chuck Norris cartoon. They say Chuck Norris like seven times.

SPEAKER_01 56:36

Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris in. Chuck Norris. Karate Commando. Chuck Norris in Chuck Norris in. Chuck Norris. Matter fashion.

SPEAKER_00 56:47

Oh, that fucking rolls.

SPEAKER_03 56:48

Why couldn't we have watched that? We forgot to pause the movie, just comes back to him just blasting. So, anyways, he started blasting.

SPEAKER_00 56:56

So, yeah, uh, Rambo's got him at gunpoint. He never stopped. That's a good point. Rambo's got him at gunpoint, and Troutman comes in and kind of tries to talk him down, and police start surrounding the perimeter of this thing. And this is where Rambo lashes out, and he's chastising everyone in the country who spits on him, calls him baby killer, how the world's turned his back on him, how he can't find a job, and he collapses to the floor crying and starts retelling this horrific story from the time in Vietnam where a child booby trapped a shine box that blew his squad mate to pieces. Like it's intense, man. I love this whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 57:34

The bit where he says, where he says, I can't find your fucking legs. Like he's he's like reliving it again. And it's so it's so interesting how he delivers this because he keeps interrupting himself and starting over and telling different details. It's good. And it's very stream of consciousness, like he's having a panic attack, like a full meltdown.

SPEAKER_00 57:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:54

And supposedly this could be another apocryphal Stallone lying in an interview story, but uh supposedly this story came from a veteran that he talked to before shooting the film. I'd buy that. I'd buy it. Yeah. Was it my uncle? He's doing research back then.

SPEAKER_00 58:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:17

Bro, I'm pretty sure I know how this works.

SPEAKER_00 58:20

So this kid said, Go get your fucking shine box.

SPEAKER_03 58:23

Unless he said, Go home and get your fucking shine box. I mean, honestly, I gotta give Stallone credit because it's so impressive that he can write but not read. I know.

SPEAKER_04 58:32

It's crazy. It's crazy. Um calling this one expend for balls.

SPEAKER_07 58:38

You need to be able to read when you got lats like this. That's right.

SPEAKER_04 58:41

Hey, to his credit, he don't he don't need to read. If you got time to read, you got time for creed.

SPEAKER_00 58:46

Am I right, everybody? So yeah, he he pleads for help and like collapses into Troutman's arms just crying. And I feel like this is such a a necessary image of this vet crying. Yeah. I feel like this is so this is so much more masculine than anything Arnold does in commando. Sure. If just him reckoning with the truth, like I'm sure this was cathartic for so many Vietnam vets that saw this and felt hurt. And the fact that this movie was a smash hit, I think, all but solidifies this idea that, like, yeah, like I mean, at this point now, we're in like this cultural zeitgeist where like there's that joke about like America will bomb your country and then a decade from now make a movie about how they feel sad about doing it.

SPEAKER_04 59:29

Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_00 59:30

But this is like one of the earlier ones to do that, and I feel like it's it's very genuine.

SPEAKER_02 59:35

Pearl Harbor fish. Yeah, and it it it's so far away from what this character becomes, it's so weird to look back on it and think, yeah, this movie was a hit, and then everybody took all the wrong lessons from it. I mean, the moment here where Richard Krinna has like a minute little lip quiver when Rambo is telling him his story, I think is so impactful. And then you fast forward two films and fucking Troutman's there with him with a shotgun, like blowing away people. That's Renegans America, baby.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:07

Yeah, yeah. So uh Troutman and a few deputies escort Rambo out of the station in handcuffs through a sea of cops as Teisel is carted away in the back of an ambulance, and we end on a freeze frame of Rambo and Troutman. I really love that there's no real resolution here. Like we just kind of get right the fuck out of there. There's no like, you know, post mortem, there's no scene between Troutman and Teasel, like mulling over the meaninglessness of it all or anything. It's just it's a freeze frame on Rambo going out, and it's an interesting choice.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:38

You guys didn't watch the version I didn't. Oh, yeah. Well, it freeze frame, and then it said John Rambo will be back in Avengers Doomsday.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:45

Oh see, that's weird. The one I saw just ended with a title card that said John Rambo died on his way back to his home planet.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:53

My home planet needs me. Did you guys know that the so this song starts playing the long road?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:00

Oh god, this song.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:01

This ballad. Oh, you mean fucking yeah. I was positive it was Frank Stallone singing, but he does a song for one of the later sequels.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:10

This is Dan Hill who sang, sometimes when we touch the honesty is too much.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:18

This is like the theme song of the franchise. Wait, hang on.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:21

I see what you see. Can we talk about the stunt man's name as buddy Joe Hooker? Yes. And Richard Farnsworth. Uh Richard Diamond Farnsworth. Hell yeah. Oh yeah. And Benny Dobbins. You know that Hooker family named their daughter Ima. God.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:37

Well, that was her grandmother's name.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:41

All right, fellas. Any any notes we missed uh for first blood you wanna you want to talk about?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:46

No, I think we actually hit all of my lines. Awesome. All my lines, all my notes. I was stealing other people's lines. We mentioned the whole time while going over this movie. Like, I understand people having no desire to see the sequels, but I love looking at movies in like an historical lens and understanding like how and why they got to where they are. Like, this movie is a fascinating case study of going from like the malays of the Vietnam War to you know, Reagan's gonna end the Cold War, shooting everybody in the desert. Yep. Well, I and I know that he did what did he do was there five of these? Because I I'm only thinking about the trilogy. There's yeah, there's five. Yeah, I think of just the trilogy of the the first three, just and just the exploration of how we got from this to you know him just helping the Mujahideen and shooting everybody alive, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:37

It's so crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:38

Wait, hang on. So there's there's first blood, there's Rambo First Blood Part 2, right? Which is not how First works, but what's the third one? There's Rambo three, got it.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:49

And then there's Rambo, and then and then there's Rambo 5 Last Blood. Yep. No, there's two Rambo two Furious. Don't forget that one. No, that's true. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:58

John Singleton came in for one, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:00

The Rambo nearest. Two Rambo II veterans. There's Rambo II Age of Troutman. Rambo six, Tokyo Drift. There's a lot.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:10

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:10

Rambo Vietnam Forever.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:14

Uh all right. Let's get over.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:16

Remember there's Rambo versus Rocky? Oh, of course. That was fun. Yeah. Again, not right after Anillion versus Predator. The fate of the veterans.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:23

Let's go over to Prop Cup.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:26

Dustin's like enough of that. I like when I can see Dustin just like settling in until we're done. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:31

Yeah, I'll just kick my feet up for a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:33

Just like cracking his knuckles, petting his rabbit. So not a euphemism.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:38

There are tons of props in this movie, and I'm sure we'd all like to have one for ourselves. Yeah. What is a prop that you would like to own from this movie, John? We'll start with you since you're our guest.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:48

I would like the filthy ass tarp that he turned into his makeshift uh Christmas clothes.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:53

Sure. Sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:55

Which apparently was literally just a tarp they found on set. Love that.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:59

Built in production.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:00

It's 1981.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:01

We're not going to make sure that it's clean and safe to wear. Nope.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:05

Put this on, you Italian bastard.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:08

I want the little toy motorcycle and rider in the precinct on top of the police radio. Did you guys see that? I did. Love that little guy. Cute. Nathan, what do you want?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:17

Mine is sort of a pear. I'm going to send this to the chat. There's a moment in the movie where two billboards are right in front of one another, and it looks like Santa Claus is saying, Have a Coke and a smile, drugs. Hell yeah. I love that. Well, it does look like have a Coke and a smoke. Have a Coke and a smoke. It does look that. Because the guy's flocking it. God man, a Coke and a smile. That sounds good. Vanta's a Chesterfield man.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:40

Piping a pancake.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:42

Bonging a blitch. Smoking a pancake. Piping a crepe?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:46

Melly, I think I could guess yours, but uh, do you want to tell us what your prop is gonna be?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:50

Uh it's not the knife. Uh my wife has barred me from bringing any more knives into the house. His knife.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:56

His knife wife.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:57

I did get around that by buying some sharpened throwing cards. Okay. They are not technically knives. Okay. Uh yeah, no, I'm going full gambit over here.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:07

I haven't waited, but his name's God.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:12

I will take the sheriff's cunty ass coat. I knew it. I knew it. Great choice.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:17

Motherfucker, I heard just dress like Bane. Just drip. Just drip. I don't care if you warm in a Portland Christmas time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:24

JT, what do you want?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:25

Um, at the uh gun ammo store.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:28

No, I mean, like, what do you want? Why are you here?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:31

You just I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:34

I could resist. I could resist. I'm sorry, please. What's your prop?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:38

There's a giant wooden carved bear in the guns and ammo store. Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:44

All right. Well, there's a number of uh smaller roles in this movie that we could play if we were recasting it. Who should we play as a bit part? And this cue is submitted by I I think maybe the fifth member of the show at this point. This is submitted by Jordan. Oh. Let's hear it.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:58

Honestly, I hate working here. They are so weird.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:02

Hell yeah. So who should we play in the movie? Mally, let's start with you. Who do you want to be? Fuck is Jordan? It's a it's a country or city. I don't know. One of those things. Mallie, who do you want to be in the movie?

unknown 1:06:14

God damn it.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:16

Fuck it. I honestly I want to be the guy who gets his motorcycle stolen. It's good.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:21

Sorry. Just yeets that guy off the bike. I'll play, hmm. I'll be the guy that the sheriff asks in opening scene if he's had a shower today. Did you guys notice that?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:30

Yes. Stanky ass.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:32

He's walking to his car and there's this guy and he's like, hey sheriff, you're gonna say, did you take a shower today or what?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:36

Swash your ass, son. I mean, that's just good world building because it implies that like this guy not showering is like a thing. A problem. It's a problem for him.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:45

JT, who do you want to be?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:46

There's one of the uh, I don't know if it's one of the Halloween Ford gang members or what? One of the cops, but he yells, he's like he's over here, but he sounded like he couldn't say his ours. Yep. So he sounds like he's overheel. He's overheel. I found Wambo. You know, that's inclusive. That's inclusive.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:07

Yeah, I like it. I just wanted to back it up to see this bear.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:10

Not the first time I've heard you say that. DC, you can back it up anytime you want, bud. Thanks, baby. Back it up to any bear you want.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:16

Nathan, who do you want to be?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:18

Oh man, there's there's two that I'm stuck between. During the invacuate, there's one that's on there's one that's on screen and there's one that's not. So during the evacuation, when the sheriff is telling everybody to get out of the street, you hear an extra just like someone ADR, get out of the way! Really made me laugh.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:35

Was Rambo doing all the fucking ADR for extras too?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:39

Yeah. Get out of the way. You just gave up half-life three.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:45

I laugh. And then there's also there, I'm obsessed with the one National Guardsman who lays down flat on his back and is just looking to the side at the commanding officer. He's like, I'm not fucking going up there no way.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:59

Like he's like, I do this part-time. I ain't doing that shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:02

Right, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:03

John, who would you play in the movie?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:04

I want to be the cop that uh Rambo fuck starts his face through the play glass window. I've done a fair share of acting film and theater, but I've never had the luxury of going through you know some sugar glass. I've never done it either. That'd be fun. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:18

The thing I think about when there's small characters in movies that go through either glass or mirrors, yeah. The one I think about the most is the guy in the bathroom in Mission Possible Fallout. Oh, yeah. Henry Cavill punches him through that mirror that goes on the other side, but the way he lands on like the ledge where the end of the mirror is, it looks so fucking painful. Yeah. Oh God. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:39

No, that guy died.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:40

Yeah, that guy's dead.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:41

I think of Terminator 2 when they're saving Sarah Connor for the same stuff. And Arnold throws that guy like halfway through the like the plate glass of that door, and he just lands like belly flopped on it. You know that stunt guy was like, I'm gonna show them what I'm capable of. Yeah, yeah. I'm getting that hazard pay.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:00

All right. This film ends uh kind of uh in a downer. I mean, not we don't know what the resolution is gonna be for Rambo here, so uh let's get over to our silver linings.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:11

He's definitely probably not gonna go retreat to the jungles of Burma. Probably not. And just murder a bunch of people. Oh, I thought it was Myanmar. I don't remember. The cold on Martise. The Cordon Maltese that's it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:24

My silver lining is that Trumpman was able to prevent more casualties here at the end. I like that. Nathan, what's yours?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:31

This is a really dark way of looking at it, but Rambo gets a bed and a meal for the first time in a very long time.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:37

Sure. John, what's your silver lining?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:39

I think the whole idea that, you know, the sheriff and troutman were able to sit down and just have a drink and just talk things through. Yeah. I think like maybe if Israel and Palestine could watch this movie. Oh man.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:55

Guys, just go first.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:57

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:58

If I could change, you could change. From your lips to God's ears, my friend. Uh Mallie, what's your silver lining?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:08

Uh, anything but that one. I mean, you know, he goes to prison, but like, you know, nothing bad's ever happened to someone in prison.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:16

Yeah. Not that I can recall.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:17

He's good. I think I'll be okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:19

And I betcha he's got an escape plan.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:22

Oh, look at that. Look at that. Nathan, 100% honesty, bet he has at least two.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:30

Oh, look at that. You know what? Happy Father's Day to you, Mallie.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:37

Oh no, my cat.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:40

JT, what's your silver lighting?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:42

I think the opposite of yours, Dustin, and that's it. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:45

Well, I guess I'll go fucking kill myself too. Mallie, can you shoot me?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:48

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:49

Thanks, Dad.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:50

You needed a double tap. Wait, two in the chest, one in the head. That's the rule.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:55

Yeah. I'm like a fucking bowling ball over here. Sorry, JT. Please go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:58

No, I'll go fuck myself because we'll just move on. JT, what is it? Some really horrible cops died. There you go.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:09

Sure. Gawk got what he fucking deserved. That was also one of my silver lines. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:13

I mean, imagine if you jaywalked in the city. Oh my god. I mean, just immediately.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:17

Yeah, yeah. It writes itself. Yeah. Well, you've already hit the cue, but let's do it anyways. What is a movie people should watch after they watch First Blood if they need their spirits picked up? I'm gonna go with what is essentially an updated version of this movie, and it's recent, and it fucking rips. And I'm gonna go with Rebel Ridge.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:38

Have you boys seen that? I don't think I have. That movie fucks. Yeah, it sure does. Rebel Ridge. I think Aaron Pierre is maybe the most underutilized actor working right now. Like I know he's doing that lantern show. I wish he would do literally anything else.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:52

Yeah, we'll see. He was supposed to be in Blade before that got shelved. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:57

He's so fucking good in Rebel Ridge. That movie fucks hard. It does. JT, what are you gonna watch?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:02

Hotshots part two.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:04

Yeah, dude. And Troutman, the actor from this movie, Richard Crennis, shows up in that movie. That's right.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:09

That's right. God, I love that fucking movie. Dude, the ripcord on the knife. Is that the one that has like the arcade style counter when he's like shooting guys in the third act? Yeah, yeah. It's like the on-rail shooter thing. Yeah. He picks up a handful of bullets and throws it at them and they all fall over.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:29

Well, it also has the one where he's shooting the machine gun and all the bullets just keep piling up on him. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:35

The fucking uh kickboxer reference where he like dips his hands in caramel and then gummy bears and then sprinkles and shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:43

God, it's so good.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:45

Great choice.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:45

That's a fucking commentary movie right there. Holy shit. Oh, we might.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:49

We might have to. Hotshots part dudes. God, it writes itself.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:52

Holy shit, that's good.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:53

Uh Mali, what are you gonna watch?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:55

Uh I'm gonna go with Tommy Boy solely because it's great. I love it, and we can watch Brian Dennehy die. That's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:01

Perfect. Nathan, can I plus one your joke about the hot shots part dudes? Sure. Hot thoughts part dudes.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:08

T-H-O-T-S.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:10

Hell yeah, brother.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:12

What about hot dudes part dude? There you go. Well, we can't because that's the name of our second LP. Got it.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:19

John, what movie do you think people should watch after they watch First Blood?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:22

Well, if you need more sly, you can go rhinestone. Oh or at three in the morning while drinking round liquor, you can go to like that abandoned Home Depot in your hometown and watch uh the Italian stallion on your phone in the back of your car. There you go. Uh, whatever you do, do not watch Samaritan. Oh no, that's okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:43

I wasn't planning on it. Good. No, thank you. Uh Nathan. Nathan, what are you gonna watch?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:48

Uh, you know, I kept thinking, man, it would be really great to follow this up with Predator. Oh, yeah. Very different uh movie, but uh a lot of the same energy and just kind of the the way it was shot reminded me of Predator. I wanted to watch when Sly is like rigging up all of those like spike traps in the trees. That was really I was like, I gotta watch Predator. I gotta see Dutch do the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:10

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:11

Wouldn't it be wild if Predator ended with the Predator like just breaking down and crying?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:16

After he says you're one ugly motherfucker and he starts crying.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:19

He has the same monologue, but it's in his language, so you can't understand a fucking word of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:25

It's not subtitled at all. That weird laugh it lets out the young thinks got Arnie. Oh, it's so good.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:33

Uh lastly, fellas, do we recommend First Blood?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:36

Yeah, man. I don't I I don't know that this is like a put on anytime kind of movie. Nah, fall asleep to it.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:43

Yeah, for real.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:44

Yeah, I was really happy to revisit this one.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:47

Yeah, I I think there's some uh some pathos in Rambo in this movie. This is like a very serious movie that you know, those sequels obviously offer a different tone and everything, but I just like I want to stay in this mindset. I want to keep this movie pure, which is why I don't know if I'll ever visit the sequels. Yeah. But uh yeah, if you know, if you got 93 minutes, you know, on a Sunday afternoon, fuck it, throw it on.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:09

Wait, hang on. John, are you sitting through an earthquake right now? What the fuck is going on?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:13

Your camera just started shaking. Yeah, sorry. That was my leg was shaking. Oh, you're good. And then causing the camera to shake. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:20

The gas station explosion finally reached you. Um yeah, no, I I definitely recommend this movie. I think it's great. Any final words, anybody for uh First Blood?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:33

We did it, everybody.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:34

Yeah, that's Sly was taking a shit just then. God damn. Uh all right. Well, if you've made it this far, please.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:43

Oh my god, wait, that's my silver lining. Rambo finally got to take a shit. He finally did.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:48

Sure, sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:49

Oh, you don't think he was pooping in the woods? He's probably very courteous. He probably dug a hole and buried it afterwards, evidently.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:56

Or he put it in the handle of that knife. So thank you, everyone. Please subscribe, rates, leave feedback. If you haven't already. You didn't want to get poop at the diner. Follow us on social media, check out the website, tslppodcast.com. If you want to submit a bit part queue, you could do so by using the contact us form on our website. Join the free Discord if you haven't already. Links to all this stuff is on our website. And if you want more of the show, check out patreon.com slash silverlinings playlist where this week on the Patreon, Nathan, our episode three of the Vaguiety Hour is out called Duty Tudes, where we put 1990s Cartoon Network up against 1990s Nickelodeon to see A, which was the better network, and B, what was the best show on the air at that time.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:38

Okay, so y'all are just doing stuff now.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:40

We're just kind of fucking around. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:42

Yeah. No, the the concept of the Vaguety Hour is really interesting. What if two guys talked about things? That's the log line. Hey, so my buddy and I, we do a podcast where we just talk about stuff, but here's the we make jokes. Yeah. So it's good. It was a good time.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:00

One last bit of business here coming up on August. We sure do. Coming up on August 15th, we'll be celebrating our 10-year anniversary as a podcast.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:10

Oh, that's depressing.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:12

On that date, we'll be releasing a celebration retrospective episode detailing the past decade of the show, of which we couldn't have done without the support of listeners like you. So if you want to give us a call at the new TSLP hotline at 423-403-8757, you can leave us a voicemail detailing your favorite moment from the show's history. You can wish us well. You can ask a question that you've always wanted to ask and never got an answer to. You can do whatever you want to. You can use the hotline for that. And I should say the hotline will also be open even after the 10-year anniversary special. So anytime you want to give us a call, again, that phone number is 423-403-TSLP or 8757.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:53

867-5309.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:55

If you want your message to be heard on that 10th anniversary special, get your call in before July 15th to make sure it'll appear on the episodes. And lastly, if you want to share your thoughts about the show for that special, but you don't want to leave a voicemail, you can always email us at the serverlinings playlist at gmail.com and uh we'll read your email out on the air. John, thank you so much for coming on and talking about first blood with us. Please plug your show.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:18

Yeah, guys, this was awesome. So thank you very much. Um yeah, it it almost felt like I was cursed. I think you guys tried to have me on somewhere around 369 times, but uh just never apparently worked out. I'm surprised it wasn't I couldn't do it because a unicorn attacked me. But yeah, I really appreciate you having me on. Um yeah, you could check out the cinema psycho show. You go to cinema psychoshow.com and obviously all the stuff you know, all the social medias, wherever you find your podcasts, all the stuff that I'm sure you all your dear listeners have heard before. And if you got some extra time and you like to maybe a couple of the singers that I provided here, um you can check me out over at J Dub's Video Nasties over on YouTube, which is where I don't have the the filter of Brian, which I probably should have, and it's just me just unleashed. Nice. So yeah, Cinema Psycho show and J Dub's video nasties over on YouTube.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:14

That's awesome. We'll put uh links to that stuff in the show notes as well so people can quickly get over there. Yeah. Uh cool. So last little bit of business here, Mallie. Your pick is our next episode, and you have to give us a clue for what we're gonna be talking about in two weeks.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:27

Yeah. Two weeks. The entire plot of next week's film could be solved with just a few tennis balls. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:36

Eager to learn what that means because I have not seen this movie. So me neither.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:40

Selfie's choice.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:43

Hell yeah. Uh all right. Well, thank you for listening so much, everyone. We really appreciate that. Tune in next time where we're talking about tennis balls that could have saved a movie potentially. And uh recipes, oatmeal, and as always, when in doubt, kill. Queen of the balls. Or that. Work the shaft. Small of the gravy.