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We're, I'm shocked. Are you surprised? When you told me the number is, I, I thought, oh, she's  no. I'm very pleased.  People seem to want to hear two fucking yappers talk about everything from current events to pop culture to, their poop. There was a really fun moment last week where I saw that someone that I went to high school with back home in Montreal is listening to the podcast.

 Hi, Erica. I know, it's a cute little moment. It was nice.  Last week you were talking about trade secrets. Yes. Speaking of awesome people, we put out an ask to our listeners about trade secrets in their industry.

And you had brought a couple to the table. And one listener, Shannon, dutifully sent us a note. And so I'm going to let you know a trade secret. Oh, I love this. And you, if you have any trade secrets in your profession, things that you know about, but maybe not everyone does, please share it with us.

She said, this is so random, specific to BC,  have you ever seen the emergency response route signs? The road signs? Yeah. Okay, so they actually mean nothing. What? The program doesn't exist anymore. What? But it would have cost too much money to take them down, the signs down, so they just left them up.

And she said there, there's web pages are still up as if it's run like a real program and it, all the signs are still up and they exist, but the actual plans for it are no longer updated.  Guys, we can't even trust our road signs. That's terrifying. I think it's funny. I love that. There is a sign in Vancouver that says,  Welcome to Vancouver, a nuclear weapon free zone.

Where is that sign? Stop it. It's true. It's by, over by New Brighton Park. Oh my gosh. She said, who's to say these roads would even be fine to drive on post earthquake? Which, honestly, where we are, makes a lot of sense. Agreed. 

 Speaking of funny signs, I read the most hilarious sign on the weekend. I was visiting my mother in law and en route I saw this sign.  I put it in my family chat and no one laughed, it's a urology campaign. It said it's Urology Awareness Month. And then underneath it, it says help fund vital equipment. And I'm sorry, but Vital Equipment is absolutely a double entendre. Is it not? I thought, yeah. Is that what you thought straight away?  no one responded. No, fuck, nobody 

Okay, so we usually leave the recommendations and stuff to the end, get through the news and stuff.

But I have so many things that I want to just be like bam, and talk about the things that I really enjoyed this week. Okay, great. I have a recommendation too. yes, please. Just as a note for everyone, as always, anything we mentioned any book, any music, any. article.

We always link to it in the show notes remember how everybody freaking loved nobody wants this. It's been a super popular series on Netflix, but the best thing about it? Is the soundtrack. So if you haven't looked up the soundtrack for Nobody Wants Us, know it's on Spotify, and it was curated by S. E. Haim of the Haim Band. Yeah. Not surprising. There's a lot of Haim on the soundtrack, but it's really good. It's a really good vibe, I love curating playlists, but it's really nice when other people  excellent selection. That I would highly recommend.

I got into this show, and it's not like a great work of art, but all the twists and turns, like the plot, was really engaging. Fool Me Once, on Netflix,  a great show and great plot points. I really enjoyed it.

TV show or movie? TV show.  So I think a good one, if you're like, I don't know what to watch, another one that was really great.  Young Woman in the Sea.  Family friendly.  On Disney. Great. Starring Daisy Ridley, who is in the Star Wars Excellent family friendly movie. Super duper inspiring.   Speaking of Young Women Growing Strong Girls. It is An older book. It was recommended to me by a friend in Toronto because I have a preteen. It's called Growing Strong Girls Practical Tools to Cultivate Connection. I was this pretty strong willed young girl and we used to try to keep that contained, maybe there would have been a different result if I was, parented differently or we spoke about girls differently.

So I have a very strong willed girl who's very competitive, wants to be first, wants to be all these things.  I want to make sure I do the best job for the kind of kid I got because my kids are very different.

Yeah. I want her to feel powerful and confident and supported. And so this book was recommended to me, Growing Strong Girls. And so if you have a preteen girl or even a teen girl, to be honest really helpful book. Love that. Is there something that, that stood out from that book? Like why it's just so helpful without telling us too much about your daughter,  I'm generalizing greatly here, the common thing that young girls do, preteens do, they need support, but they push the people they love away. We start listening to our friends. We stop listening to adults.

And so this just gives like pretty great tips on how to approach that. If you're a person who didn't have parenting modeled for you in a really effective way, I think you're making it up if you're parenting now.

I love reading parenting books, not because I think that's, It's the way, but because it offers me a different perspective. I think it's Tom Papa who has a joke, tom Papa is a standup comedian actor.

He has a special on Netflix right now. And he talks about how when he had kids, it's not like he was smarter or better or took a course. He was just a guy who had kids and, but he had to hide the fact that he was absolutely terrified every day. I love it. to keep these children alive. 100%. And, the fact that he too was afraid of the dark, but when his daughter was like, I'm afraid of the dark, dad.

He's like, Oh no, you're fine. You're fine. And, but he's also the guy who, when he goes down to the basement, he runs to turn the light on.  And every morning he would wake up just so happy that they were alive. But he couldn't tell them that.  I feel like a kid and I don't know what I'm doing.

And I think most parents don't know what they're doing. And we're all just trying to do our best. And most of the time people are trying to do their best.  I have a TV show recommendation, but it's an old one, but I just realized how great it is.  It's called The Night Of. It's from 2016, it's with John Turturro,  who I love,  it's like a thriller, mystery drama. It's only one season, it's on Crave here in Canada.   What's your favorite snack? Bits and Bites.  Legit. Yeah, I love   is that like party mix? No, that's different than party mix. No it's just pretzels, shreddies, Cheerios, cheddar sticks.

and original. Don't give me that barbecue stuff. I want original. And the best is when you get a Bits and Bites bag and the little shreddies are like extra coated.  And the dust in the bottom of the bag. Yeah. Yeah. AKA salt.  So you're a salty girl. I am.

Yeah. I love my snacks. You? Yeah, I typically try to avoid that food right now.

I know. My gut.  Yeah, like a chip. Yeah. give me a dirty little ketchup chip. Ketchup, eh? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Are you kidding me? I love ketchup. So good. I can't believe they don't have ketchup in the States. Ketchup chips. Oh my god. Okay this is what I want to talk to you about.  U.

S. versus Canadian snacks and that Canadian snacks are far superior. They are? I think so. I'm sure everyone in the States listening is going to be like, no. Scaachi Koul, who Was a culture writer for Buzzfeed. She lived in Toronto for a while and now she's moved to New York City and she wrote an article for Chatelaine,

she's lamenting the snacks in the States  her quandary starts out with her search for an Aero bar and that they don't have Aero bars in the States. And they for sure don't have mint Aero.

 What was I greeted with upon my arrival at the border? Some of the worst snacks I've ever encountered in my life. Chocolate that tastes like half melted wax beads.  Chips that are either criminally under seasoned or so insanely hot that your butt clenches at the first bite.

Ha. Coca Cola that tastes like it was poured through a battery. For years I've hunted in grocery stores, bodegas, and not yet legal dispensaries for the delicious and prepackaged. Instead, I'm met with food that tastes like I'm being   It was a great article. I love that. She said some of the closest she can find are some of the snacks at Trader Joe's, but she says nothing compares to our snacks here in Canada.

I also don't want to spend nine dollars for a snack. Like for me, a snack is, like a bag of chips, which is now seven dollars somehow.  

I've had to really tone down my snacks I have some gut issues going. I'm sorry.

I think it's like the  experience of being a girl, like low iron or gut problems. I've had it for a couple of years and we're probably going to lose some listeners because I'm going to talk about my digestive system. I'm going to talk about poo in a few minutes. Are you? I'm going to talk about poo right now. Really? Do you want to talk about poo? You talk about poo.  I have something called dysbiosis. My gut bacteria are off. Okay. I don't have too much of the bad and not enough of the good. How did you find out? I've been in pain and discomfort for the last several years. Oh!

It's escalated though to the point where it's it's embarrassing. It's bad? It's painful enough that I can't hold my toots in. And when I say toot, it's not a cute toot. It's like death becomes her in my car.  And my kids have been like, Mama. 

Mama's sick. Yeah, so something's wrong. It sounds so silly,  it's like a very human thing. I can smell that something's wrong. Yeah. And it has been for a while, but I've been ignoring it because of all this other stuff.

So finally,  it's too much and I speak to my doctor, my naturopathic doctor, my acupuncturist, fucking anyone who'll listen. I got introduced to the term SIBO, small intestine bacteria overgrowth. I read a ton about IBS. I read a ton about Crohn's and just was like, what is fucking happening?

 It didn't seem like it was a specific food. It didn't seem like there was any rhyme or reason to it. I'm talking with my naturopathic doctor and was like, okay, what do we do? So I now have a plan.   Apparently with vitamin C and magnesium oxide, you can like. naturally get your system moving,  evacuate as she kept saying. And I was like, we're evacuating the systems. Cool cool.

 Once I get things going regularly, then the plan is to deal with the gut bacteria. So there's no point in  trying to deal with the dysbiosis if things aren't moving. So that's just to clear it out. And then you deal with the actual issue. And then it's either an antibiotic or there are a subset of herbs you can use that there's quite   you don't go all at it. Okay. It's like a layer by layer. That makes sense. I just, it's Have you started this? We talk about the bloating. I started yesterday. Oh, fuck. I forgot to take them this morning. There's always something.

Yeah. But this is  to the point of embarrassment and  supreme discomfort. Oh, I hate that. And always just like the bloat and put on my pants and be like, what the fuck? Yeah. 



So we may lose some listeners today, but maybe we'll gain some because we talk about all the things We talk about it all. Yeah, we're gonna  Like toilet plumes.  a toilet plume?

This

started by being like, what are some tips I could bring from my jobs in the past, trade secrets for this segment.

And then I was thinking about And we landed on toilet blooms? When I was a flight attendant, it was a big thing that I always closed the lid before I flushed.  we not all do that?  Eh, no. People don't. People don't. And then I started looking into, because I think It sprays! It sprays, and what it sprays is a toilet plume, is what it's called.

And everything you just put in there!  There used to be this myth  if you flush while sitting on the toilet, which I don't know who does that's crazy, that you could get sucked into the toilet on the airplane. Because it is a quite strong force But I always close the lid. I always close the lid. That seems like a normal course of action. You think about public toilets, they don't have lids.  true. So I got obsessed with this idea of this plume, toilet plumes. It's a cloud of aerosols and droplets that can contain pathogens that, Obviously it can make you sick.

Yeah, your poo and pee droplets. Yeah. Guys. But then I looked into it, and it turns out it doesn't matter whether you put the lid down or not. I don't underpants.  What did you say? I said I don't underpants. I don't understand. I don't underpants. I've never heard that.  So I looked into it because I was like, it's got to do something.

I was picturing you googling. Literally googling, going,  how much poop particles come out of the toilet when I flush? Yeah, because they would say if you flush the toilet without putting the lid down, your poop particles could land on your toothbrush. They still do.  I know. So there is no, but we do need some germs.

You do not need your poop particles on your toothbrush. You don't need poop particles. No, you don't. No, ma'am. But they say the only thing you can do is just keep a clean bathroom. Okay. continuously cleaning your bathroom, cleaning the toilet with a disinfectant.

This is the oppression of women! And so I looked into it, I did some research, I even watched an episode of Mythbusters on this.  It doesn't make a difference. And yet, I will still do it. Put the lid down. How does it not make a difference? Because it just goes around, even like the lid is not airtight, right?

No. But it doesn't matter because I'm still going to put the lid down and I think everyone should. Put all the lids down. I'll tell you a good reason to put the lids down. You know how you've seen movies where like something will come up through the toilet? Put the fucking lid down. So this is a story, at the house in PEI, my mom went to the bathroom, opened the lid, and there's a fucking squirrel in the toilet. A squirrel. A squirrel.  Must have fallen down whatever the heck the piping is, anyway, there's a squirrel in the toilet. Alive or dead? Alive! No! Yes! No! Yes! 

So she hasn't Peter POed since  .   You know what's funny is I just realized the way I'm sitting and holding my face, I could not figure out.

Why I kept getting this breakout on the side, on the left side of my cheek, and there were like six blackheads and zits and stuff. Meanwhile, I This is your This is my move, and I've got my hand, my whole head just leaning in my hand with my fingers all up the side of my cheek. Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, I figured it out.

You know how I have Yes, I know how you have red and fucking lines on your chest. And then You're bright red right now. I also sleep with my shoulders almost touching in the front of my body. I give myself a hunchback and then I wake up in the morning and I'm like, Oh, I've been folding my chest upon itself.

Really not great for us because we're all desk jockeys now. We just ride our desk all day and our hands are forward. So we really encourage you to sleep on your back if you can. But I want to have a tape. I want to put tape here or something like that. For what? So that I don't wrinkle. Just lay on your back.

I can't control what I do in my sleep. Oh, really? Yeah.  Wait. I definitely can. Like for the most part, I don't think you're sleeping . I think you're just closing your eyes. That would explain why I feel like shit every day. Yeah. The other thing I would do, that's my favorite trick, but if you have a big, long roller, like those long foam rollers put your tailbone on one end and your skull on the other.

Yeah. And so you're laying. on it and open up your arms and just let your hands hit the floor. And just lay like that and that's going to open up. That's going to help alleviate. I want to do that now. Help relieve all that like sleeping. I understand. I'm like a fetal position sleeper at the best of times.

I have a bolster. Is that what it's called? Yeah there's different kinds, right? There's a foam roller, a bolster, whatever it is. You could use depending on a couch cushion, whatever, you need something pretty firm.  Sorry, probably ovulating right now.  She's fine.  I finally did it. I finally dropped the full face skincare You did it. It's on the blog.  Yours? I put it in the newsletter. See, you don't read it. I was very busy this week.   It went out in the newsletter and I have a post on the blog for the skincare drop. And what are you including in that? From beginning to like from dry face to wet face to dry face again? Exactly. And then ,  I'll add like head to toe and then hair.

And all the stuff and I'll just have it  live in one place. I need a new shampoo.  I've got recommendations for you, baby. Okay. I'll do the hair one next. Okay. No problem. I would love that. I'll put that out this weekend. I have stumbled upon a wonderful brand called Cheekbone. Have you heard of this brand?

Canadian brand. Canadian brand. Makeup or skincare? Makeup.  It's indigenous owned. Amazing. Female owned. Yeah. Clean, vegan, Canadian. Where did you stumble upon it? A friend was telling me about Cheekbone and I just loved it and  They have all these incredible initiatives to also give back, and not like Greenwash, they actually do it? No, they have like scholarships.

 They're sustainable. They support women. They support small entrepreneurs specifically indigenous women, a hundred percent of the sales Of limited products go to very specific scholarship funds, and it's really beautiful stuff.

So it's called Cheekbone. I think they have some of it in Sephora, but you can find them online at cheekbonebeauty. com. And it's just really lovely stuff, and it's just pleasing to look at.  They partnered with the Central Toronto Academy. I don't know what that is, but it sounds very official.  To repurpose thousands of lip glosses and lipstick products that were no longer available to be sold. Instead of just disposing them or throwing them away, they donated them to the artists at the CTA for their Red Cascade installation, which celebrates the life of women.

And the cycles of nature while commemorating all missing and murdered indigenous women. Amazing. And they are not a sponsor. They are more than welcome to be. They're just a brand that I like. Why would they sponsor when we just promoted them for free?

I guess I don't get marketing.  You're just a talent. What do I know?  Oh, that's so cool. Yeah, I've read about them. I've heard about them. I've not bought their product. The only makeup that I've  from Ilia.

 Canadian brand. Sure is. I know the woman who is Ilia Beauty.  I've met her a few times. Her name is Sasha. Oh, super cool. She did something really smart with Ilia, which is that she started with just a few products. Yeah. Start small.   Ilia got famous with their lip conditioners. It was like a lipstick, but it was a really nice moisturizing, incredible colors, great pigment. And now their mascara is incredible. Do you love it? It's my favorite mascara. It's so good. I'm wearing it today. But you can't even notice.

. I put mascara on in the car. You did? Yeah. Oh, was that before the hornet was in the car or after? That was before the hornet got in the car. I freaked out. I would freak out too. A hornet in my car?

It's more, all of a sudden it becomes too many things to manage.  I would have pulled over. I did. Put on my four ways and been like, I pulled over, I opened up all the windows, I shoot it out and then I resumed driving.  Because I also thought, I can't control, if I'm waving away a hornet with one hand, the other hand's swerving.

Yeah. You're going to get a  I was talking to my cousin the other day, and I was, used the term alpha,  something like that, I was like, oh, he's a real alpha, beta came up. Yeah. And he was telling me that's actually a huge myth. The alpha and beta study originated with wolves, okay?

Long, long, long time ago. They were studying these packs of wolves. There's actually a really interesting article about it.  It's an old New Yorker article called The Myth of the Alpha by Rivka Galchin.  They were studying packs of wolves This is in like 1958, a research project on wolves by a man named David. Mech, dunno how to pronounce it. Sure. And he was studying these wolves and he realized that some were leaders and some were not.  And so he said, oh, some are alphas, and then some are betas. And that's how the term Oh okay.

Kind of originated. Okay. And now we use it in society all the time for the leaders of the pack versus the more s.  subdominant ones, And then they went back to look at this study. It turns out not true at all. There's, they're not alphas and betas. They're older wolves and younger wolves.

Sit down.  it turns out it's just the older wolves were in charge. And then the younger wolves just followed.  But by then it was too late and it had already ingrained itself into society. So this whole thing of Oh yeah, he's a real alpha. It comes from the study and the scientists  they more just realized, they started looking at other packs of animals too, and realizing it's not that some animals are more dominant, in a pack, it's literally, who is the elder?  

But in the Lion King, 

I'm listening.  But in this cartoon, fiction In the Lion Tribes, don't the younger males challenge the elder male? Am I making that up in some animal tribes? Yes, Simba did challenge his uncle. Because he was the rightful heir. Yes, um I guess there's a challenge moment, but truly it is just at the end of the day, the elders versus In most cases.

Yeah. Yeah, we said silly and sometimes  smart. Sometimes smart. I think we use the term, as a turn of phrase  instead of legitimate assessment of something. Yeah. Like an alpha versus beta.

I just thought it was interesting ,  they, published a paper, very important article about animals and impacts and studying it. And then they went, oh no, that's actually not it at all.  Are you an alpha or a beta? I'm using air quotes. 

I think I'm pretty young, so I'm a beta. No.  I think I'm absolutely an alpha. I think I'm a leader. I think maybe that's the word I want to I'm a leader. I'm a decision maker. I don't think age should put you in charge of anything.

No, but in this study, it showed that, packs of elephants that had elephants over the age of 30. Lasted longer, lived longer, were able to get away from more dangerous situations because of the knowledge they had.  I respect elders who are  Yeah. Who command respect and who deserve it. I don't just assume because  older. Myself included.  No. A younger person shouldn't look at me and be like she's older.

She knows more. I was reflecting on this the other day.  I did not like working for other people. I liked building my own stuff, whether it was successful or not.

That's just  the way I choose to live my life. And it took me a really long that. But I remember being an arrogant 20 something early twenties. In a new business and like wanting to run the show  I looked at how things were working. I didn't like how they were working.

I thought I could be changed.  It was more like a red tape situation.  We're not going to change it because that's the way it is. You want to get me fired up. You just tell me that's the way it works. And it's always been this way. 

 We should constantly be evolving, constantly changing. Anyway, that's my rant. Stay curious, baby. Alpha beta. And beta just means you don't have to lead all the time. I think the most powerful people are, if we're using air quotes around alpha beta and you're talking about it being a myth, but we use the term so much, leader or follower.

I think the best leaders know when to be the follower the best, the most amazing people do both. They know when to lead and when not, or when someone else should be leading. Have you seen the Martha Stewart documentary? Ha ha  this is what it made me think of.

What did you make of it? I thought it was amazing. , what was amazing? What I loved was how many times she was told no,  and how many times she was told yes. People just didn't like her because she was acted like a man  more than that, because she was, she knew what she wanted to do. She had a vision.

She was very singular in her vision. Yes, because she found a void that she wanted to fill in the world and she knew how to do it.  the documentary they call her, they say she's the original influencer and I would go further and say she's also the original trad wife and the original girl boss.

 She's got all of that covered and she really constantly was redefining what it meant to be a woman  as a cultural figure. And she did a very good job. I think when you look at her business is that she said, okay, I want to do a magazine.  I'm going to try Condé Nast.

I'm going to go to time. I'm going to try all these different magazines.  She wanted to do a show. She said, okay, I'm going to make it this way. And she listened to people who were experts in it. While still holding strong to her values and her idea and what she wanted to do.

Yep. I'd never seen that side of Martha Stewart before. We'd never been told the whole story in this kind of way. It was just excellent. I was very inspired as well as a mother to see her really come into her own after she  It was 40 onward. That gave me a little bit of an inspirational boost as, awful as it would have been, she was torn to shreds and that's her story, the way she wanted it  and it gave us a glimpse, but I think it was really inspiring to watch the highs and  and to see a woman  just went for it.

 She's got white hair and she's got kids   I love that when we just command attention  and there's so many women who've done it. I think Martha, being the first self made billionaire woman billionaire in the United States. 

inspiring.  That's what all the influencers are doing. All the homemakers and tradwives and even the girl bosses, we're all just trying to emulate that. I say we, I'm not an influencer. I sit here and talk about my poo with you, but I think it's, it is really inspiring that she just made it up.

Yeah. And it  was legendary.  They questioned every single one of her moves when she partnered with Kmart. They're like Kmart,  God. But she got the mass distribution. Yeah, she did.  She's no dum dum.  I didn't realize she started as a catering business that I didn't know.

I didn't either. She did her catering business. And she obviously had really great connections. With her husband being the publisher, she knew lots of people. She was beautiful. She had modeled. But her first  cookbook is just really, and she's got so many  And they even told her it was going to be a cookbook, but it'll be black and white, no pictures. And she said, fuck no. No.  She had a vision.  got a Hallmark movie coming out soon. That's fun. Which one? It's directed by, 

One, Lucy 

Guest, 

jingle Bell Run is what it's called. Cute. Isn't that cute? It's coming out on the 16th of this month, I believe. 

Do 

you watch your 

Movies, after you've  I watch my  

No!  

Just to make sure. Okay, why are we not having a screening party?

Mostly as an excuse to 

have wine and popcorn.



I 

don't like watching myself work. It feels very weird.  It doesn't feel like that's me. 

It's 

very 

strange where I'm like, is that what I look like? Oh, is that what I do feel that every morning when I look in the 

mirror, 

 oh, Oh yeah. Good morning. I had a bit of a wake up call when I saw myself on a TV show and I was like, Oh. 

What?  

Who's that older woman? Seeing myself is one thing. I do love to myself 

talk.  

In case you didn't notice. I listen to her 

podcast on double speed. Oh my god. Can you even hear? Or like one and a half. One and a half. Sometimes. Just in a rush? Where are you going? No, because  don't like listening to myself speak.

So I want to hear our work and make sure that  I'm not repeating myself. No, I take out all your double  All of them? 

How 

many are there? 

It takes me a full day to edit this podcast.  You do have Tourette's. 

I know. 

I love it. I know. Editing is very therapeutic. Can I come over one day when you edit?

You would be so fucking bored. Can I bring popcorn and wine when you edit? Yes, you can. I agree.   I did have one smart thing I wanted to talk about today. Love smart 

stuff. 

 I'm not a big climate warrior, but I feel like I probably need to be. 

, I find climate news really interesting, especially  

legal side. 

And remember we talked about  Multnomah County sued  a 

gas company. 

 There's so many lawsuits in the States.

It's really hard to 

keep up. In Canada, 

it would be like much more significant news. It would make the 

news. And 

I just read that L. A. County sued Coca Cola and PepsiCo over plastic pollution. L. A.? L. A. County. Los Angeles County has sued the beverage 

makers, PepsiCo and Coca Cola, accusing them of polluting the most populous U.

S. County with 

plastic bottles 

and misleading the public. There's that again. That was what they claimed in the Multnomah County suit misleading the public about the environmental impact and recyclability 

of their containers.  The county 

 Just last week in Los Angeles Superior Court, said that the companies were contributing to people's plastic pollution with their single use plastic 

bottles and we're engaging in a campaign to deceive customers into believing they were recyclable. 

I mean you 

guys 

are we still arguing about plastic bottles for real?

trash.  So of course, as we're learning, they denied it. 

That's 

the first 

move 

always. 

So I went on a little 

 Fact finding mission. I dug up a 

couple of things. 

So PepsiCo is currently fighting a plastic pollution lawsuit filed by New York's attorney general last year. California's Attorney General in September similarly sued oil company ExxonMobil. they produce polymers that are 

used to make single use plastic.

An appeals court in Washington,  revived a 

lawsuit filed in 

2020 by the environmental 

group Earth Island Institute accusing Coca Cola of misleading consumers  environmentally sustainable.

So they're getting 

sued 

for greenwashing, 

essentially what 

you and I would call 

greenwashing, being like, it's sustainable, it's 100 percent recyclable, when 

it's not. 

More than 400 million tons of plastic waste are produced globally every year, 400 million tons, with less than 10 percent of it being recycled, according to the UN Environmental Program.

I know the UN's imperfect, but it's what we 

got. 

So it's choking landfills and spoiling our 

oceans. 

 According to that LA County lawsuit, plastic accounted for , almost 250, 000 tons of all waste materials produced by residences in 

LA

630, 000 tons of all commercial waste in the community.

 I know this is a sidebar but super related. We're full of 

microplastics.  

Remember we talked about the semen and like everybody's cum has microplastics in it so don't swallow. Don't swallow.

 It's,

really gonna impact us and make us sick and we're not 100 percent 

sure how. I really like 

that 

cities and counties are now suing 

These companies,  

it's interesting. This is something new. It feels like 

 What do I actually think?

I wish it wasn't more taxpayer dollars to fight 

the good fight. 

This isn't a new 

fight. 

There are 

such 

lawsuits in the United States, in particular, where we're dealing with pollution and it just gets stuck in the courts when it's like, Hey, guys.

You're polluting like 

crazy. 

You're making people sick. Anyway,  naivete. But I love that you did a little bit of research on this too, to be like, okay, let's see how bad it 

is. 

It's disappointing.  We talk about this, they're companies, they're there to make 

money, they're there to sell the products, their product is a bottle  

soda. I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I don't think most of that 

shit 

gets 

recycled. I don't 

think so either. 

It's a feel good.

mechanism. 

 To me, that falls into the category of 

greenwashing.  

Because I've heard that if, even if you don't rinse out your containers, then they can no longer be recycled.

I don't know if that's 

true. Is it? Apparently it's true. That if 

it's like, it's You say 

apparently it's true. 

This is the thing. Like, 

is a you and me 

thing. No, it's okay. This is why we have these conversations because I think there are a 

lot of 

things that we don't even realize we believe.

And I'm like, where did 

that come from? But 

we've been told we have 

to 

rinse them. 

Yes.   In an ideal world, we don't have containers or wrapping.

 Which would mean we're all eating non processed food, 

which 

phenomenal for your body. But then grocery stores  manufacturers  

There 

was a 

grocery store 

here 

in Vancouver 

called Nada. I was on their board. Really? It went under. It went under.  I didn't, yeah, that's the problem.

But it was a really cool concept where it was. But we all talk about it. We're all like, yeah, let's do it. And then it wasn't supported enough.  It's a great idea.

It's a great concept., My 

parents were visiting. 

And I 

Whole Foods, and my dad thought it was fucking hilarious that we were in this air quotes healthy grocery store.

Yeah. And he could not get over the amount of plastic used 

to wrap the food. The food. And he was just like, you telling me this is a healthy grocery store? Yeah, a 

melon is wrapped 

in saran wrap. Why? No reason.

 We talk about 

food waste, but I think about like  

In this week's 

segment 

of We're All Gonna Die, plastic.  I want you to know I, as a human being, I'm evolving. 



My opinions are 

changing.  

I'm staying open minded. Oh god, to what? I used to 

hate 

Anna Kendrick. 

What? Yeah, 

she drove me nuts. Her like,  spunky 

little. Yeah, she has, yeah, right? That's the character. She's meant to be a fucking nuisance.

 What 

was her biography  called?  Yeah, she, we argued about her once 

, she was in  what was that movie? Up Up and Away? 

With 

George, Clooney. Uh, the cigarette one.  Up in the air. Up in the air, yes. You said 

her claim to fame was up 

in 

the air, and I disagreed and said her claim to fame was  

But 

now I'm saying her claim to fame is maybe Pitch 

Perfect. 

Pitch Perfect, would definitely made her huge, huge. Yes. And then,  

of the Hour.

Okay. So her book that came out, Scrappy Little Nobody, I just hated the title. 

 Like, no you're not, you're Anna Kendrick, what are you doing? 

But then she did Woman of the Hour. 

As if Pitch Perfect wasn't gift enough for 

you. 

Ungrateful person. You're ungrateful. I'm awful. This is why I don't like women. No, 

I'm kidding. 

I'm 

kidding. I'm kidding. I'm 

kidding. 

 Anna Kendrick has directed a new movie called Woman of the Hour. I don't Want to talk about the movie. What I want to talk about is what she did with the money from the movie. So this is a film festival 

movie. It was never intended to 

make 

money. 

It went 

into TIFF. It 

I 

think it did Sundance. so for those listening, not all of us are film. 

Nerds. Right.  She produces movie with her own money. Yes. I think a lot of the big 

names do that when they've got a stack of cash.

For example, like 

Sydney 

Sweeney, she produced Anyone But You last summer, 

which 

was the big rom com hit. Yeah. I didn't know. That's 

where 

she made her money.  

So they make these films and then 

they, 

what? Sell them to a studio? They hope to make money. Yeah. They'll sell them to a studio and hope to actually make the money back.

Or maybe, you know, make some money on the back end, meaning like. distribution. Anna Kendrick said that she never wanted to make this movie 

to 

make money. That wasn't the point. 

And she said 

it was actually only a few weeks before TIFF, which is the Toronto International Film Festival, that she 

realized, Oh, Netflix is going to buy this and it's actually going to 

make some money.

If 

you wanted to make a bunch 

of money, you 

would make a movie that you know is going to be popular. You would not make Woman of 

the Hour. 

That was very niche and 

very specific.  It's a true story about this 

 Serial killer. 

Serial 

killer who was a bachelor on The Dating Game, which goes to show that reality TV does not do 

background checks. 

But  they need to have the drama later. Exactly. 

what 

she did was she took the money that she made from this movie and she donated it to 

RAINN. RAINN 

is a not for profit organization that stands for the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network. 

Anna Kendrick donated  her pay. from the movie to RAINN.  Amazing. she said 

it felt gross to make money off this project. It didn't feel right for her to make money off of it. 

, I believe she was in an 

abusive relationship in the 

past.

And that was part of  

Yes. And 

she doesn't 

name names,  you can tie it back. You can figure it out. I 

went down that 

internet rabbit hole. Yeah. It's not 

Bill 

Hader. Let's say that. No. Fuck no. But they dated. . That's 

really cool. 

I like that you used to not like 

her. 

I 

really come around. Well, people would say that you're not a girl's girl.  

I've heard that before. 

Oh, really? 

Oh, yeah. Okay, 

so there's this great article this week on Bustle by a woman named Magdalene Taylor.

And 

she argues that girls, girls have lost the plot. Everyone is rushing to prove they support women unconditionally, 

but 

then they accuse others of falling short. 

There's a 

great quote in it. 

I will link to this in the show notes, 

 It was a really great take on 

like how this is now a power phrase  by saying , oh, well, she's not a girl's girl.

By 

saying someone isn't a girl's girl, one gets the satisfaction of isolating, excluding, and insulting another person under the safe guise of solidarity, while also signaling that she herself is part of the in 

group.  Oh, that's the, you can't sit 

with us. 

100 percent and you're like, you're a terrible 

person. You're not a girl's girl. And so that's 

become  quite an 

insult. 

Yeah, when someone told me I wasn't a girl's girl, I was very hurt by that. Yeah well, the term girl's girl has become exclusionary because you're deeming which kind of girl is allowed access into the sisterhood 

depending 

on what kind of girl she happens to 

be.



really interesting article  

and this is where it comes from because people I'm a feminist and it's  like, oh, well, if you're a feminist, shouldn't you support all women?

It's a really 

interesting argument.  Shouldn't feminists be allowed to criticize women? Is that not in fact an 

important 

element of feminism?

 Women supporting women is, all well and good, but not everything we do as women is inherently feminist. So 

it's 

like a  powerful, weighty term 

 I 

remember thinking 

often the only woman in the, comedy room growing up.  Now I'm in a, I do a show every Sunday. It's myself and five men growing up. I was in 

a 

comedy 

group with myself and five men.

I did the second city. It was myself, another woman, and four men. But the two women had to be very different and they almost kind of pitted us against each 

other. 

It 

was very strange. That's what people do. Yeah.  I can so compare this to most of my boardroom experiences or executive experience.

There'd be one other 

woman 

and 

it was kind of like one was a threat 

to the other. 



It's 

so not true, but that's how it was always teed up, and there would always be some viciousness or some resentment or some conflict between the other woman at the, the head table.

Yeah. It's so frustrating. When deep down, all I wanted was to  

lean into I wanted to have another woman, I was at Second City, it was myself and it was like a boy band, right? we were a formula at Second City. 

I look 

back 

on that time, and I've, actually reconnected with some of these women that I worked with and been like, 

man, they really. 

Didn't let us 

bond. 

Would you say that 

you also  

skill set 

or the 

real burning desire to because you saw it as a 

competition? 

I saw it 

as a job.  

So I was there to do the work. Now,  In the other examples that I gave where I was the only woman, 

it wasn't 

like it was strategically 

planned that way 

I started those groups with my 

friends.  I have three brothers. So growing up with three brothers, I was the only girl and everyone always 

told 

me how special that was. And I was like, this is not fucking special. There is nothing special about this.  a weird kid in high school junior 

high in high school I didn't get along with everybody. Everybody had best girlfriends.

I did not have best girlfriends I had different groups that I, you know attached to myself too.  I wasn't that great at sports, 

but 

thank goodness I was 

on a 

sports team because then I 

had 

teammates at 

least. 

 I was that annoying chick at 18 or 19 who was like, let me just get along better with boys.

Like I was that dumb bitch. 

And 

I didn't really realize 

until, university, college age, that, 

Where 

I was 

more authentically myself, freed from the confines of  expectations 

of family, 

of who you are and how you should 

be, 

I developed really strong friendships with women.

Women are just fascinating. We're so multifaceted.

 Yeah. Were you so excited when you got sister in 

laws? 

Yes. I love my sister in laws and I'm actually so lucky. 

I feel like that could have been a disaster, but I have 

three. 

Unreal sister in laws, I feel so lucky. Yeah, I do. They're hilarious. They're funny. They're so different.  I just love 

being with them.

I love talking 

to 

them and spending time with them. I. 

Really put 

a lot of value and on, and occasionally too much expectation  

to watch. Yeah.  You do 

one thing wrong and you're dead to me kind of thing. If you ever 

try and break up with me, I'll laugh at you. 

I'm not 

gonna break up with you. I know, but if you try, 

I'll go, I know what you're doing.  I was very lucky in high school. I had a really good group of, girls that we were, there was like maybe five or six of us. 

it's because we were all in this  enrich program. So it was like a nerd, nerd level class, of course 

you were, of course I took a special 

test and I was put in the enrich program 

I'm very grateful for that because when I look 

back at 



How I 

spent my weekends in high 

school, was mostly  Watching Backstreet Boys music videos, learning the dances with my friends,  and not kissing any boys.

So it was great. It was awesome. Oh my god,  

all 

I wanted to 

do was kiss boys. , we'd love the Backstreet Boys. I saw them three times in 

concert.  we would watch now and then and then pause the moment that Devon Sawa would jump into the lake and see if we could see his penis.

Oh, Devon 

Sawa. Oh, we'd watch the Probably 

my 

first, like, legit celebrity. Oh. Casper? At the end? Can I keep 

 that. 

No? 

Yeah. You saw 

Christina Ricci? 

I love 

her so much.

 I was flying back  

LA. 

Los Angeles. Los Angeles. She was like one ahead of my husband and I 

 Typed on my notes app.

We're 

across the aisle from each other. I handed over to  and he just wrote back like big heart eyes.

Like he loves Christina Ricci. My husband, that's his, That is his crush. Yeah. It's Christina Ricci. going back to sister in law 

ideas. She's not 

technically my sister in law, 

but 

my brother in 

law's 

Girlfriend, 

your 

brother in 

law's girlfriend. Okay. Okay. 

absolutely adore her and she was  at a restaurant 

and she texted me to say Lisa Vanderpump is sitting right next to me.

And I was like, Oh 

my 

God, like you get it. This is what I need. I need someone to be like, guess who's sitting right next to me. I'm at a restaurant. It's Lisa Vanderpump. 

And then my brother in law texted me, he's like, Larry David's 

here 

too. And I was like, I don't care.  Shut up. Tell me more about Lisa 

Vanderpump.  

Tell me 

everything. 

 

Oh! 

, 

the movies Gladiator and Wicked are coming out on the same weekend? 

And 

people are like, oh, it's the new Oppenheimer Barbie competition. Remember Oppenheimer and Barbie came out at the same time?

Yeah. I was like, these do not even compare. No. Which will you go see? Both. Yeah, same. Absolutely. Which will you see first? Wicked. 

 Yeah, you're 

such 

a theater nerd. Yeah. I want 

to 

see Wicked. 

I want to see Cynthia Erivo. the Wicked press tour has just been going on for about 

a year 

at this 

point, 

and 

so it's so much.

the original Gladiator is one of my favorite movies, so I'm pretty pumped. But apparently this is like Denzel's. Career defining performance, which is And a wild thing to say given all of his performances in Macbeth.

Training day. Oh, 

training day. 

Great 

movie. Did you see him in Macbeth? Yes. Yeah, he's like a, definitely a Shakespearean 

actor which is just astounding so I'm really excited to see Gladiator. 

I 

wonder if I 

can 

take my kids to see 

Wicked? 

A little too much. Jonathan Bailey. Oh, 

I'm 

what? Well, don't take them if you're going to say 

that.

 I want to see Wicked. Apparently Wicked is going to be a two part movie. Have you heard this? Oh, I know. I know. I know. I know. But think of give me the six hour film. But here it's a play, right? Originally, it's a musical. So think about it where it's like there's an intermission usually. Oh, so it's the first half  and it's just too long.

Otherwise, no one's going to go see a four and a half hour long musical movie. 

You would.  

 You were talking about the Martha documentary. I felt like that that should have been a 

series. 

I, yeah. For one hour long, like I wanted more. 

wasn't enough for me. I want more 

miniseries.

I a limited series.  I wanted more from the Martha doc. I think they could have, Oh, it could have gone so many. I was like, tell me more about your billionaire boyfriend who was in bed with you. And then was like, I'm going to marry Lisa. And she was 

like,  

they've been 

together for like

years.

I love that. She's like, then 

my boyfriend sent his jet to get me the fuck out of jail. But it was interesting too, because I think 

she really controlled that 

documentary 

in 

the 

sense that 

not a lot 

of people were 

interviewed.  You know, there's a lot of the voice of so and so,  We didn't really sit down with other people 

to talk 

about her that much.

 impression that it was a very close knit group. And I 

would imagine for a perfectionist like her, they really emphasized her aspiration to be perfect. I think she would have a small circle of close 

people who 

really know her. Yeah. 

She's talking about how she doesn't, she's not interested in having like an emotional conversation with a man.

I think that's hilarious. Like, I don't care how they're feeling.  

And I just, I love her. You know what, I respect the honesty.  

Okay, so you're gonna go see Wicked. And I'll see Gladiator 2. 

I thought 

Oppenheimer was such a snooze, I couldn't stand 

it. I thought it was Barbie was a 

refreshing, fun, 

ridiculous 

movie. I loved it.   I wanna see a 

Nora.  

What's that one? 

Very pretty woman esque stripper. 

married to 

Russian.

Boy, Russian boys, mafia, dad, 

billionaire says, no, you 

can't be married, chaos ensues. 

Ooh, I like that. 

 Apparently 

Mickey, but it's spelled M I K E Y, Mikey. It's a girl. Mikey Madison is just phenomenal and it's really her breakout role.

And 

Nora. Well, you know  📍 what? It's dark at 4. 30, so it's movie time, baby. Yep.  



A friend of mine was like, I'm rewatching Gilmore Girls. It's just on in the 

background. And it's so funny because all it is, is like, la la la la la. 

And  I don't pay attention to any of it. It's just 

really, Mm non offensive, gentle, banter, nonsense.

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