I'm annoyed. I came down here today and I was driving and I was like, I'm gonna be in a good mood! I'm gonna be in a good mood! And I was like, fuck you, stupid bitch, pay attention! It's not a good moment.

You know what is a good moment? I realize all three of us are in turtlenecks today. It's turtleneck season! I know, right? Someone commented, It was on the labia puff post, and I'm wearing a black turtleneck, and they said, I thought that was Elizabeth Holmes for a second. I was like, oh.

Why? Because you have blonde hair, and it's long, and you're wearing a black turtleneck. 100 percent why.  I just want you all to know that if you see a woman who looks like me in a black turtleneck, it's probably me because that's all I wear. Or it's Elizabeth Holmes. She's in jail.

Which is alarming if you see her. 📍     📍 welcome to your weekly breakdown, the silly and occasionally smart podcast. I'm Emily, a washed up tech exec, mother of two. And how is it 2025 ? It's wild. My name is Caitlin.

I am 42 years old. I am five foot six, and I weigh enough.  Every week we get together to chat about cultural conversations in the news. We make fun of the latest pop culture dramas, we'll rant about life's minor inconveniences, judge each other's style and life choices, and maybe we'll even have a guest or two.

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You can get that at hardcopy. online. 📍     It's our last episode of 2024. We did 20 episodes in 2024. You too, Em.  We did it.  We're doing it. Yeah. The whole point that we did it is to say that it's done. I don't think it's done. Do you want to do this again next year? I guess so. Okay. Okay.  Do you guys want to do this again next year?

Based on the bunch of you that listen, yes. It's, it is hard to hear yourself on a podcast.

No, it's not. For me, it's hard to hear myself anytime. Really? Yeah. Oh, I love hearing you. I think you have a wonderful voice. Oh, thank you. I love hearing your voice. , I can't watch myself. I can't listen to myself. I have a hard time watching myself. Yeah. listening to myself, that's what I've told you before.

 I was thinking about 2025 and what I want to do more of more and less. I like my more and less exercise. I want to do proper voice work. However, I think AI has fucked my opportunity on that.  No, not necessarily. I don't know. I think there's a lot of room in this world for a nice alto.

I know I'm an alto. There's this, do you know this confirmed? Yeah. Do you know the song Alto's Lament? No. Oh. It's a song from, I think it's from Chorus Line.  Yes. Where it's like all the altos do a song together. Yeah. And it's all the parts that the altos always get to sing of famous songs.

Well-known songs like, but we'd never get the good part, but we never get it. Yeah, that's why I prefer singing the male role. Because you still get the good songs, they're just lower in tone. Yes. In the lower register. Anyway know you have a few fresh things to entertain our folks in this weird week between Boxing Day and New Year's where time does not exist.

 I would like to go through some of the best moments of 2024. best and weirdest. Fave movies, albums  the past year. It's  Every year's a weird one, isn't it? Yes.

Every year someone says that year was this, but don't worry, next year's gonna be this. Brianna, when she was on a couple of weeks ago, She would challenge that. She would say, I haven't seen a lot of people going 2025 is going to be my year. Haven't seen a lot of that because everyone's learned their lesson to shut up about it. 

 Now people are maybe learning. It's not that easy. It's not black and white. It's not like one year's bad and one year's good. 2025 is gonna be another year, and if you're lucky to get it, you got it.

That's a great take.  I also say the moon doesn't change just how much of the moon we see changes. Okay? That's another thing I'm gonna rant about. Oh, didn't like our astrology stuff? I did. I just had a bit of an issue with it. What's your issue? What's your problem?

Even when it's a full moon or a crescent moon, it's still the whole moon. It's just how much of the moon we're seeing. Sorry. I had to get that off my chest.  It's the moon. The moon doesn't go away. The moon does not go away. The light on the moon is what changes.

Yes. But not the moon. No,  but the moon is the moon. The moon. It orbits us. Why are you becoming French? Okay! When you're talking about the moon? Hey, tabernacle! Okay, listen to me, everybody! Her. I love when your French comes out. It's my favorite.

Merci beaucoup. Moi, j'adore le français aussi. Je retourne à Montréal pour un peu de,  les temps festifs. Oh, that's great. Yeah, it'll be very nice. I can understand. I can't speak it anymore. The way I used to. I did French immersion. But I understood what you just said. But for me to come up with all those words myself My brain would be in a knot.

I feel the same way about the East Coast accent. I go, I can understand it, but I can't speak it. I keep it away from you. I tuck that shit away from you. Okay, going back to what you asked. You were talking about some hits of 2024. I just want to know  over the last couple weeks, I've floated these ideas to you and said, are you going to pick a word? Are you going to make resolutions?

Are you a goals kind of person? And so I'm very interested in reflecting on 2024. What does 2025 look like for you? What do you want more of? What are you hoping for yourself? Are there things you want to do or accomplish? I want themes. So I've been looking at themes for 2025.

I like it. Of new the new start of January. What are the themes? And I want more balance for sure.  This past year has had a lot of really great moments. Um, And then the other eight months were a bit of a struggle. I would love it if those four intense months of great success were just a little bit distributed throughout the year.

A little more consistency. Okay. Do you have a strategy for how you're going to do that?  I thought you just made a wish and it happened. I don't know. There's It's out of my control, my career, for the most part. Ah, so this is career specific.

This is career. Yeah. Oh. And then there's some like family stuff. There's pillars, right? I don't know. of life. There's work, self, family, finances, that kind of stuff. It's tricky business. It is all stable all the time. Yeah, I'd love to be able to take a trip with my husband that wasn't tacked on to an event we already had to do.

 We'll see family and then after we'll go away for a few days or we'll go to a wedding and then we'll spend a few days in that city. What's stopping Finance, time and because there are other things you quote have to do you have to go to this wedding, you have to go to this event, you have to go to this reunion, and then there's X, Y, and Z, that at the end of the day there's not the funds or the time left.

To do it. 2024 I did a decent job of removing those, Obligations. Air quotes obligations. There were a lot of things that I felt like I had to do, and 2024 I feel like I did a better job of scrutinizing those and going, do I really have to? No. I don't really  empowering.

A little scary too. Yeah. What else?   I want to, at the end of 2025 celebrate a very specific career moment.  I want in 2025 to celebrate that our podcast got its first advertising deal. I'd like to celebrate in 2025, at the end of 2025 I should say that somehow my periods got better.  Good? Oh, I have PMDD.

Oh fuck. Okay. And I So you're a raging bitch. . Yeah. And I, every, that's all that means to me. Once a month, I try and completely blow up my life I will try anything to sabotage myself  so I like that there's some health there. Career, there's some family stuff Yep.

you're talking about. I wonder, are you willing to. change anything about how you're going about life now to make those things happen? Great question. Huh.  Those are questions I want, our listeners, like you're listening to us talk about this and I'm imagining you're thinking about it too.

And so those are questions I want us to be able to ask ourselves. Like the how? Yeah.  I tend to go toward action before fully thinking things through, . I love a big dream.

my whole career, I was the person, my role has always been to architect the way to get there. For the company, for the team, for the person, for the whatever. I'm always going to be challenging people and going, Okay. What are we going to do? How am I going to help you?

What are you willing to do? What are you willing to change? What are you willing to bite off? To make it happen for yourself. And my entire career has just kind of happened.  And I fell into it. What's that like? I'm curious about what yours is like because, I started doing comedy in high school.

I mean, We landed in the same fucking podcast studio. Isn't that funny? Yeah. Is it? Is it funny? I went to theater school to like, study acting and like, theater I went to college and university. For acting. I think that's great.

I love that for you. You at least got a degree out of it. I didn't,  I don't know, we don't need to go into like the Emily show here, but  sure, business degree, sure. I never finished my degree.  I'm four credits short of getting my degree. Does that bother you? No, but it bothers my parents.

I would never get them then, just to annoy my parents.  I'm also like, what am I going to do with it then? I think they should just give me the degree. I think they should just go. Maybe you'll get an honorary PhD. This is what I'm saying. Wait till they see Chicken Sisters.  All the things that have happened to me career wise have just happened, To me or at me, someone's like you should audition for Second City And I thought I don't think so, but okay, and then I got it  there is a lesson there and just letting go of the reins I think that you know you aren't in control, and you embrace that, and that's served you well.

I have tried to cling so fucking tightly to the reins, and I am, and it's not working. Until now, until you say, so what will you do to achieve these things? And I go, do? I have no control of things. I have no autonomy over this career. So it's actually, it's done me a great disservice that things have just, Happened around me 

there are folks who are all about the manifesting and the woowoo beyond woowoo curious who believe that's your that your approach is the best approach to put it out there. Yeah, until you want to set some goals. And then it's like when you ask the question of like, what are you gonna do to change it?

And I don't I don't know what I can do. Now. I'm like, Huh? It seems a very unknown. What do you mean? What you asked me and my brain went blank. That's okay. But you're the opposite. I'll go through it one by one if you really want to do some Ops porn with me.

 You wanted to go on a vacation with Chris, you need funds and you have time. You can make the time. You need funds. I can make the time. You need funds to do it. Okay. So how are you and Chris going to come up with X amount of money? You don't need to go to a nice place.

You can do some all inclusives, you can do whatever. You can do that on a budget, a little last minute deal. Okay. What are you going to do to fill your coffers? here's how much I need.  The action is   here's the three things I'm gonna do to  squirrel that, that money away.

And we're gonna book it for this day. You just do it. And then, for your career, You're selling yourself. So the approach I would take is, how am I generating leads?

You need leads coming down the funnel for you to convert those leads into work. So you need to be getting in touch with people you've worked with in the past. You need to be getting out there and auditioning. You need to be creating your own, whatever, show, content. That seems to be the way these days 

 Who are the people who are gonna put you in touch with those people and sending, an email a day or 10 emails a week, or whatever it is to generate those work opportunities for yourself.

I think that's what this was for me, this podcast. I'm sorry to let you down, . No. What you're saying, it made me think of this podcast because it was the same thing of. If I can't decide when I auditioned for things,  because you're given auditions, you don't get to say, I'm ready for my audition now.

That saying yes to this podcast was a way of going what can I do then? What can I control? You've already brought that into my life. Yeah, I  put you in a chokehold and made you do it with me. It's my kink.   If I knew anything about film or shorts or how to do that stuff, I'd love to produce that kind of stuff because I do think artists right now and creatives, you've got to be making your own stuff.

Oh, yeah. There's a lot of noise out there.  So I am ready. Or you're a nepo baby. Someone was talking about watching a show called Nepo Baby Island where you just watch all these Nepo Babies fight it out. Is that real? No, but it should be. Oh my god! Wouldn't that be great? Yes!

And also to know what the ranking is of Nepo Babies, I think this was on Last Culch. With Bowen and Matt. Oh,  I know you're not listening  you. You know I was on an episode of Last Culch The fuck? Get this. What episode? Get this. Let's link to this.

You can't. Why? They did a live show here in Vancouver. Yeah. And I got to do the I Don't Think So Honey at their live show. And I Crushed it. Chose the topic out of a hat. . And the topic I got for the I Don't Think So Honey was Celine Dion.   That's some fuckin woo woo right there. And then I did a rant about, I don't think so honey, Canada shitting on Céline Dion. She's a national treasure and we are lucky to have her. Nice. Bowen and Matt liked my I don't think so honey. The audience laughed. And then the audio got corrupt. And the audio was lost.

And that episode of Los Culturistas filmed at the Fox Cabaret here in Vancouver, Canada. Has never been heard or seen. I think that we should have them on, obviously. They would never, but Could you imagine? But come to Canada and Caitlin needs to redeem herself. Redo, yeah.

She needs a redo. I think they should come out for, just for Last Vancouver. And then we can Why the fuck wouldn't they? Probably because they have  or maybe they are coming. What do you mean? Are we small potatoes? But they were out here for a Just for Laughs event a few years ago. I'm so sorry that happened.

I know. That fucking blows. And there's times where I'm like, did it actually happen? Because there's no proof of it, I've questioned my own sanity. did it happen? But it did. I know it did.  Our audio engineer, José, is so disappointed right now in that audio engineer.

Yeah, I don't even think there was an audio engineer. I think it was just like Yeah, it's hard with the

the Tech

person. With that recording equipment, that can be really tricky. Huh. Okay, well I like this for your 2025. How, okay, and then the last one was around your PMDD. what can you do about that?

That's more of a physical thing, right? I think there's elements of my body I can and can't control. But is there any treatment for PMDD? No.   I'm already on enough SSRIs. I don't want to add more. No, If I gave up, like, all the fun things in my life, I might feel better, but I'm not gonna do that.

I'm unwilling. I was thinking about that. You want me to give up alcohol, sugar anything fun? I would say yes, give up sugar. I mean, like, even, like, in some bread. I could exist with that. I don't mean sweets. The sugar that's in shit. In processed food. Yeah.  How do you eat a sandwich? You don't get  Okay. Okay, Emily. Okay.  Or. Oh, okay. I would be purchasing bread from like a local bakery. where you know it's made fresh.  They did the study with the fresh baked bread that if they toasted, it's a lower glycemic index.

I do make my own sourdough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's so cool. Good for you. Thank you. That is a pandemic habit. I never started. No, never. I was thinking about how I'm still in a,  what's the word? I'm still caught up in a few pandemic habits. Almost five years ago it kicked off. 

2025,  was five years ago.  We're coming up on five years and  there were some bad habits I picked up  during the pandemic that I am still trying to shed.

So those are  in 2025, I'm like, okay, come on, bitch, get your shit together. Just bad. Would you share one of them? Oh, sure. Because I get zero time to myself, I would create time for myself later in the night. I would  Watch a show, I would have a scoop of ice cream or a glass of wine or whatever.

I need to build moments into the day where I'm getting that time for myself that don't necessarily include alcohol, sugar, or screen time. Yeah. Because I'd sleep poorly. I can't watch a ton of TV, right? No. I'd sleep poorly. Alcohol, whether you're drinking one glass a day or a half a bottle a day you're having alcohol every day,  for me, that's not a great habit.

No, I agree. And then I would be, I would have a headache the next morning from whether it's the sugar, the alcohol, or the screen time and I'd be less likely to go to the gym. I would love to stretch for 15 minutes and have  a cup of peppermint tea, but that does not give me the same fuck you world that watching shitty television and drinking wine does.

But those are habits that have been really hard to shake. I do them a lot less,  I just. want to ignore everyone.  My household needs some pretty big systemic changes.  That's got to happen in 2025. cannot run my house the way it's running right now.

Yeah, it doesn't work. I'm doing Every mom everywhere is I'm doing it all, I'm with you and so I think that's a big challenge. And as much as I try to change it, it's proved very difficult to make actual change. And like I can't just go, everyone's oh just, can you run away, can you go away for two minutes?

48 hours. I'm like, yeah, I could, but then I come back and it's all the same shit again. So that's why I say I need some systemic change.  The kids need to be involved with the chores. My partner needs to step it up. And I could be a nicer person in 2025. I don't know. I was thinking, I was like, Oh, I could be less of a bitch or swear less.

I'm  those things work for me. I understand.  I'm gonna keep lifting weights in 2025. I'm like such a big one on that. I was reflecting a year ago. I could not lift weights. My, my condition was still such that I did not have a ton of stability or strength.

But just over a year ago, I started working with a new doctor and a new team. And  I can lift weight, I can get through a workout and not have a headache on the other end, which is fucking  amazing. That's a massive success. Huge success. Yeah.

Six years of, all sorts of procedures So that's like a big win for 2024. So 2025, I actually want to like, okay. That's a huge win. Huge win. I would like to wear all the clothes that are in my closet. I can't afford to buy new clothes. Everyone's like, oh, just size up. No, bitch. I have a beautiful wardrobe 

and it's waiting for you. It's waiting for me. So yeah, just the combination of the sedentary life because I couldn't work out and the bad habits. I don't weight loss is irrelevant to me. I want to wear my clothes. That's what I want. I want them to feel good on my body.  I feel like I just had a baby like that.

Really? It's just that it's an uncomfortable sensation. Yeah. Overall, how I appear,  I should care more, but I don't. It's more about how you feel. I understand that. The way I look is really,  depends on the picture you're taking of  the only time I'm like is when I see a photo.

All my friends are so beautiful and they take care of themselves. They have great habits. They have great fitness routines and they're all gorgeous. And so when I'm in a photo, I'm like, Oh, God. Ma'am. Ma'am. You sound like you are, I don't know that you are also a  I'm a very cute face. I'm so lucky I have cute face.

I think instead of saying you aren't like that, I think it's more that you don't feel that way, because I see you and I'm like, I'd kill for that body. You're insane. We literally have the same body. No we don't. Yeah we do, . I know what I used to be capable of. Yeah. And I'm reluctant to let go of. That, so that's a thing for 2025 , people make fun of the folks who like are back in the gym in January, fuck you, let them be pumped, let them be inspired, let them take the momentum, go for it.

 You were saying the idea of what do you do at nighttime? That's, that, that is the hard time is when I want to have a glass of wine, I want to have a bit of dark chocolate and I want to watch a show.  There's nothing wrong with that. It's just, it can't be every day. It can't be every day.

For me.  For me, there has to be a bit of structure around it. I'm not great with all out rules. That's why I like the more or less system more of this for this year, less of this for this year, because if I put resolutions or hard rules in place, I will break them.

Of course. And then you get disappointed. 100%. I do not do well with rules. I don't do well with red tape. I love being a little bit of a fuck you rebel. Discipline was my word of the year this year. I think I'm going to add  because I got to push through when the routine changes.

Summer was a challenge. Anytime the routine shifts, especially with kids, I have a hard time sticking with that discipline or sticking with that  It's not the same word, but very related. Yeah. And so I'm going to add consistency, going to stick with discipline. It's worked out well.

I really like what I'm doing. Obviously on the work front, I would love to produce more. I have a hard time, I'm not sure when.  What would you like to produce more? More of, I should say. Podcasts, for sure. I have so many fun ideas. Podcasts are very hard to grow.  The big thing is I wanna keep entertaining busy women.

 if I can do that, then I'm winning. I was thinking about things that I can do that I am an expert in,  can help people with and so there's ideas for sure around like business ones like exec coaching  and male dominated fields.

but I'm, I'm persnickety. They've got to be high entertainment value. I'm not just going to create shit to create shit. That's just, I don't have the time. I don't have the bandwidth and I don't have the money. So I like what we're doing. I like to do more of that. I would like us to have a second podcast where we're asking, Oh, I don't think I've talked to you about this.

Okay. I don't think I've talked to you.  Am I a part of it? Do you want to be a part of it? Sure.  I like things like Sean Evans hot wings. I like Amelia's chicken shop date. I like a thing with a shtick. Yeah. Because it's funny to me. It's comedy. It's comedy. Yeah. I don't know comedy.

I don't do comedy, but I know what I find funny and what I don't. I know what I want to put out there.  I'm so bored of the celebrity profile. They're fascinating. but I think there's more room for authenticity.

It's like the questions the journalist would ask when the PR person leaves the room. Off the record. Oh yeah. I want the off the record questions. Off the record. No PR.  The folks who are going to participate in that will be looking to have a more authentic connection with their audience.

They will want to be known for being more authentic versus like the polished celebrity. We don't, no one wants polished anymore. I think we're tired of the smoke and mirrors.

It's why we like Hot Ones. , it's why we like Chicken Shop. What the theme that they both have in common is that the guest is the food. Yes, but it's more that the guest is put in a vulnerable situation. But they're game, but they're game, but it's interesting to see the vulnerability of having to eat hot wings and the vulnerability of being on a date with a stranger. 

That kind of commonality. So I wonder if there's another vulnerableness that can be played upon. Vulnerability is the word.  Exactly that, where the guard is down. Yeah.  So I would like that. There's a lot of mom content I would like to put out there, but I'm not 100 percent sure how I feel about being in the parenting content community.

That's not my favorite. What's another thing that's also like a little bit painful, but we still do it, like eating chicken wings or going on first dates?

Sushi.  Eating sushi. On a first date? That sounds terrible.  It's got me thinking now what are the things that we do as humans that are uncomfortable, and yet we do them with joy. And there's a lot you eat chicken wings, and they are spicy, but we love the taste.

You go on first dates, which are awkward, but there's the potential to find love. There is a formula there that I'm curious about. 

And it's recognizable. Everyone who watches Hot Ones or Chicken Date knows that feeling. A woman I know, Nicole, she does men taking baths. Oh, that's great. It's wonderful and she does a wonderful job. And I think it's, it's perfect. They are these big sudsy baths. She's led the whole production. She interviews them.

. So something like that would be fun to produce with you.

Come poo with me. But you, I think, how we could do it together,  I can produce, I can make the thing happen, and put everything together and get everybody together and that's what I can do. You could do some script. Yeah. You could do some writing. Oh, it sounds like we've got a new podcast idea for 2025.

Sounds like we are going to continue to be fucking broke.   Okay, so 2025, it's coming in hot. I want you, listener, hello, to tell us what you're doing. What are your resolutions? What are your goals? You can email us at hey at hardcopy. online or send us a note  Instagram where we're your weekly breakdown. 

We want to know. What are you doing? What are your big dreams? I'll tell you what I'm not doing. What are you not doing? I'm not taking AG 1.  Oh, like the supplement? Like athletic greens? Ah, yeah. I'm not a regulated industry. Any supplement is not regulated, so you gotta do your research.

I have. Okay. Was this on fucking TikTok that you did your research? I'm not even on TikTok, . There's a new podcast out. It's a Delve podcast, Delve, they have five seasons right now, D E L V E.

And it's a great podcast where they Essentially delve into a topic. Season five currently is called Powder Keg with Jonathan Milne and it's the takedown of AG1 and it's founder Chris Ashenberg.  Oh my god. . I want to know what  their marketing spend is.

I want to know. For AG1? It's insane. How much did they pay Gwyneth Paltrow to say that she takes it? How much did they pay Joe Rogan? They do not pay Gwyneth Paltrow. Do they? She has her own fucking supplements. Oh my god. Oh my God. I'm sure. Anyways,  it's a fascinating podcast. I'm halfway through it.

So no spoilers, everyone. But I did some research into AG1 because I was like, is this just a podcast that's mad at AG1? What is the deal? Chris Ashenden, who founded AG1, Athletic Greens. He's from New Zealand. His nickname is the Kiwi.  How original. Yeah. And AG1 is actually made in New Zealand. Oh, that's cool.

But you cannot buy AG1 in New Because of regulations? Yeah. Stop! Oh, that's so funny! You can't, it can't be shipped to New Zealand. You can't buy it in New Zealand. It's not available to any New Zealanders. Hmm. The founder, also this Chris Ashenden guy, Is fully a convicted scam artist.

 In what ways has he been convicted? He had the scheme where people signed up thinking they were going to be owning their properties eventually, when in fact the agreement didn't actually give them any legal ownership to the unit until there was a 30 year period.

It was like all these like weird catches. So people bought homes thinking. They had bought homes, when in reality they hadn't. They were just paying  payments to this Chris Ashton guy. They say that he's one of those people whose affairs are deliberately kept complicated to the point where it's exceedingly time consuming and expensive to unravel them.

Yeah. So that's who Chris Ashton is. The macros don't add up in AG1. They totally calorie If you're gonna fucking  the math work. The total calories listed per serving is 50 calories, but that doesn't actually add up. there's a takedown. Yeah. On this podcast.  Does this podcast normally take, delve?  Delve, yeah. Does he normally do takedowns? Not normally, but it is a it's a deep dive kind of vibe. Okay. And, If you go on the EG1 website to be like, okay what are they saying?

 Have all these facts on their website of Oh this does this and this does this. And there's no research to back it up. So that's true in most supplement businesses. Yes. The marketers.  They say as much as they can say without lying. So they did do a study they have on their website.

It's on the AG1 website under learn and research. But the thing is this study that they did, air quotes, was only done on about 35 adults. And it was a single arm study. So that means that there was no placebo, no control group, no crossover. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yes, and most beauty products are the same as this.

We're learning together. It's all a bunch of BS. It is. But at least with beauty products, it's not a supplement that's trying to be like medicine. Although, maybe, no, I take that back because I think about some of these serums or retinol creams that actually are.

I'm, I'm gonna listen to the rest of the podcast and I'll let y'all know in the new year.  I've heard and read a few pieces.  pieces about AG1. And it seems like there's a lot of people and a lot of folks in the scientific and medical community who have been shouting this for a long time.

This podcast episode that you're speaking of is not the first. No, certainly not against AG1. I think the supplement industry is tricky because it's unregulated. And it's We are all so tired and worn out and looking for any way to better ourselves. There's also the pressure of it as well and expectations of youth and longevity and it's easy to get sucked in.

And they're so expensive. Oh my god. Yeah, and I could see a lot of people thinking, I'm gonna be a little bit healthier in the new year. I'm gonna subscribe to this AG1. Don't do it. Okay.  Kate has spoken. It's being advertised and pushed on a lot of people of like, all you gotta do is take it once a day and then you're good and we're so like, that's just such snake oil.

It's the same shit as always. , did I not see them advertising recently?  Like off market Ozempic? What's this? Am I crazy? Yep. Yeah. They sell some of their stuff as complementary to Ozempic  their president Kat Cole has discussed the potential for Ozempic to actually increase demand for AG1 products So because their products resolve the nutrient deficiencies that may result from weight loss Drugs and diets.

May. Cat Cole's the new CEO of AG1? I'm just reading that's the president.  There's the whole world out there, man! Just question it. That's all I'm saying. Just question it, but also it's a great podcast. Delve. If you want to Delve. Noted. 📍 

 There's a show on Netflix I cannot wait to see called The Six Triple Eight. Have you heard about this? Yes with Kerry Washington, right? With Kerry Washington, yeah. Oh, great.  It's a story of Major Charity Adams and the 6, 888th Central Postal Direction Battalion, which during World War II was an all black, all female unit that cleared a massive backlog of mail during World War II.

Fuck yeah. And it's now being depicted in a Netflix movie. It's out now. Yeah. Something for you to watch during this  but it looks so good and it's fascinating to hear these stories about women who got shit done and  One of the things I read about this, film is that  They finished early.  Yeah, They finished early. That's such a woman thing to do. You're like, actually, we need that by five. And you're like, I'll have it to you yesterday. Yeah. Cool.  they made a point of making sure that these soldiers were getting the mail because the morale was so low in 1945, it was rough, and they decided if they could just get letters from their loved ones, it would keep them going.

 6888 is the nickname for this battalion. And it tells the story about how Major Adams delivered 17 million letters to soldiers in 1945. Her and her battalion. 

They were given just six months to deliver these 17 million letters to us servicemen and they finished early. Incredible. They're like, yeah, we did it next. It seems like a great feel good movie. Yeah. I like a good feel good war movie. Kerry Washington. Yes, please. And Oprah. Oprah's in it too.

What? Yeah. Good for them. I'm glad that Oprah's still getting work.  One of the things in 2024 that was huge was a conversation around the ballerina farm. Ballerina farm. Yep. She was on the cover of this magazine you brought up. Of Evie. Tell me about Evie. Do you know Evie?

I know of Evie I'm not 100 percent familiar with Evie. I don't know if I want to be familiar with Evie. It seems like I may not have a a value aligned situation with that magazine. No.  I think you're right. It is a conservative Focused magazine for women. Which is great. 'cause you know what, there are conservative women. Absolutely. There are. Cool. Great. And the cover was Yes. This woman who, Trad wife. Trad wife who became Insta Instagram famous. TikTok famous, yeah. Because she got an egg apron from her husband for their anniversary.

 He's the son of the CEO of JetBlue. Yeah. She wanted to go to Greece and he got her an egg apron. Yeah.  But they uphold really traditional values. Yes. My only thing with the tradwives, traditional tradwifery is a whole thing.

The women who are On TikTok and on Instagram, showing you that are not tradwives. They are content creators. They are making money. Tradwives don't make money. Like an actual tradwife. The cover of this ballerina woman. Ballerina farm. Whatever. Ballerina farms. Is, she's on the cover of Evie. She's milking a cow. 

It's are you fucking kidding me? Oh, that's great. Isn't that great?  

Articles in Evie have also urged women to stop using hormonal contraception. Which is a weird thing. What do you mean weird?  That's beyond weird. Because I haven't even read you the list. Oh, list it. List it. Tell me what Evie magazine stands for. It's They have an article that I wanted to talk to you about today, which is called the 10 worst lies that society tells women.

Okay I want to be super clear. Kate and I are Pro women doing whatever the fuck they want. We are pro choice. We are now about to read you a list from a very  right magazine, so you may I know the tension. I'm stressed. My shoulders are basically in my ears. 

 It's a business. They have an app. Evie now has an app. They have advertising.

It's a magazine. It's that's what I'm doing. I don't knock starting a business. No. I'm not knocking a media business. But here's you have influence when you own Like them. You're gonna hate this. On the list of the ten worst lies that society tells women. Oh God.

Number two, The lie that monogamy and virginity are virtues of yesterday. What? That since the sexual revolution of the sixties, women have been told that sleeping around is an expression of their freedom. Monogamy and virginity are no longer badges of honor, but rather traits of the uncool inexperienced and the oppressed.

Society tells us we can't be happy unless we're intimate with multiple people. Committed long term relationships with the end goal of marriage are said to be boring and conforming. Yeah, the reality is that sleeping around has devastating consequences, while monogamy leads to true and lasting happiness.

 Okay, the list isn't going to make us mad, but I need to tell you one just so that go through the list! Do it! Rip the fucking band aid off! Trigger warning. One of the big lies that society tells us is that your body, your choice. No! 

Yeah.  I'm covered in goosebumps. I'm so mad. My hands are so sweaty. What is their possible justification? Because here's the thing. What they tell us, they say, what we're not told is that abortion leads to depression and other psychological issues. Do you know what would lead to depression?

Being fucking raped, having to carry a baby to term, and then having to raise that child and be fucked. But Evie says we're not told about the many physical risks faced by women who choose abortion. We're not told that we need to take responsibility for our sexual choices. Instead of encouraging women to act the victim in their own life, why doesn't society lift up women in their ability to grow and nurture life?

Fuck off. Have you tried to pay for childcare lately? Here's another lie that society tells us. You can do whatever a man can do. That's a lie. Because women aren't physically, mentally, and emotionally the same as men, you guys, didn't you know?  They say Today's version of feminism is less about promoting femininity in all of its unique splendor, and more about encouraging women to act like men. That's so untrue.

First of all, feminism Has sweet fuck all to do with femininity. Absolutely. . This is why this is so stupid. I know, but people read it. there's a lot of confirmation bias there for anyone who is like uncomfortable with the way things are with a woman being in full charge of herself and having autonomy then they're going to love to read that list.

 It also says don't worry. Just you can put your head in the sand because number 10 on the list of the worst lies that society tells women is you have to be involved in politics. That's one of the worst lies society tells women, if they weren't clear on what the message was before this one really just puts the nail in the coffin of basically look away.

 They gotta phrase it some way to get somebody to click on it. Somebody's what lies is society telling me? Oh my god. And I think that's the, that's problematic.

Have your view. Great. If you're A woman and you don't believe you should be involved in politics, like  I'm not going to change your mind. It's also a confusing list. Like one of the topics is, there's no difference between allure and blatant sexuality. That's a lie, they say, that we're being told.

No one's arguing that. No, yeah. So I'm so sorry, but what they are doing well is they're attracting their audience. They have made it very clear who They're creating content for  from a business perspective, they're going to make baity headlines like that.

Yes. And they're going to make people like us go, what a shitty magazine. And anyone who's maybe iffy on our view or not a hundred percent sure they're going to go, Oh, okay. Well, I, maybe I'll, I'll read that magazine. Yeah. And they're getting near time  it right now. there's going to be people who are listening to this have probably not heard of Evie magazine.

Now they have. I think they should know about it. Yeah, I think people should know about what's out there and then read both articles and then make a decision about I really do disagree fundamentally with this. Okay, good to know and then walk away. That's really disappointing. But if you weren't sure what the vibe of the magazine was, look on the cover. It's a woman milking a cow. Looking back at the camera, looking very beautiful and demure and very sensual and soft.

Now's the time we're going to see that, right?  of people who have religious affiliation is going down. Humans are looking for connection and community. That will be done through political belief. Now, instead of a religious affiliation.

 That's number one. Number two, we also are tired and burned out as a society. So we're going to see these movements of go back to the good old days.  With that comes, not being able to have your own credit card, ladies,  not being able to get a loan without your husband, ladies, 

yeah, the good old days are some simplicity. I too would like to throw my phone in the ocean. But I'm very pleased to have rights as a woman.  These people are very wealthy. They are not, trading eggs for a loaf of bread with their neighbor. No, that's not what's happening.

These people have money and they are selling an idea and that idea is very profitable for them. This woman wanted a, to have a dairy farm. It was a dream of hers. She was like, I've always wanted a dairy farm.  And then she married a millionaire. That's what I'm saying. Farming is very expensive. The idea of saying, I would love to, Great government subsidies, by the way, for farming. Yeah. But the idea of saying, I would just love to have a dairy farm.

bitch. That's a want, not a need. I grew up in a farming community. Let me tell you, farming is hard fucking work. It is the hardest work. You enjoy sending your emails. Okay. Farming is legit. Hard. And you won't make a lot of money doing it. . Okay, but here's the flip side of some good news, which is that I'm trying to be like, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt, but I can't do it.

I know, and  Anybody who's like telling a woman what she can and can't do, I'm like, Ah, nope! Sorry, it doesn't work for me. Sorry. I disagree. I vehemently disagree with this  I don't want to put my head in the sand and go this stuff doesn't happen  because that's how you Oh, it squirtinly does. 

Excuse me?  Excuse me, Emily. Because I don't see it or I'm not affected by it, I don't have as much of an awareness, but it's, it does exist. We also live in urban areas. spaces in a pretty progressive, you and I live in a very progressive city and province overall.

 I think it's short sighted to think that it's your way or the highway.

I think it's short sighted to only read one type of material. I think it's short sighted to believe that your view is the best and the right and the only way forward and that we are doing ourselves a disservice by not being attuned to what other perspectives are chiming in  You can't shut out other perspectives.

No. It's a race to the bottom. We have to stay curious, stay open minded, and hold on to our values. That guy was fucking dragged across TikTok for that view, so  I was so mad. 

I don't know. I think we're all just trying to do our best. Yes, and I think some people aren't trying  But in their mind they are.  And those who aren't, I know, are struggling. You know what I do really like to read? Tell me. The 19th. Have you heard of the 19th? Love the 19th news. I've subscribed to a lot of newsletters. This is the year of everyone starting a newsletter. Yeah. Love the 19th. Highly recommend. They do have a podcast. They have a daily or a weekly newsletter.

Like favorite newsletter of 2024 for sure. And so if you're looking for news around women's rights or LGBTQ community,   I think that staying informed on these issues that matter is a lot of work and it shouldn't be. Like, how can we make that easier? And independent newsrooms like the 19th, They are pretty fucking essential. We've got shit like Evie, so we've got like 19th actually stating the facts.

What is society telling people? But reading their newsletter is a key part of my morning.  They're journalists and they shed light on stories that impact women. our LGBTQ communities and frankly their stories we need to hear. So I really like their newsletter.

It means I'm not  having to scroll through, you know me, I'm all about stopping doom scrolling.  I love the 19th and they're independent and not nonprofit. Yes. That's very cool. 

That made me think of another goal for 2025, which is that I would like to Not worry about makeup.

Do you worry about makeup? Sometimes I feel like I have to wear it. Oh. This trio of zits on my left cheek has been here for six weeks. They will not go away because I  sit like this all the time.  I keep, I have my hand on my face all the time anyway. I've given up. I did not wear makeup today.

I feel like there's days where I'm wearing mascara, a little bit of something in the eyebrows.  Obviously we've all seen Pamela Anderson this year being stunning and makeup free. She's not makeup free. She's wearing no makeup makeup. She is wearing makeup. I don't think she is. I love Pamela Anderson. I don't mean to hate on this, but like I think she's had multiple facials and she's wearing incredible moisturizers, but I don't think she's wearing makeup.

You don't think she has any makeup on? Nope.  You know also who I didn't have makeup on was, Lies, society tells women.  Pamela Anderson's not wearing any makeup. Well, A beautiful content creator named Ariel Naisa attended the 2024 TikTok Awards and she went makeup free. Cool. Promoting self love and authenticity.

she wore specifically a dress that showed off every single one of her Curves and lumps and bumps. Yes. She went makeup free. It helps that she's 27 that would help that really helps going makeup free but the idea of normalizing this thing of I want to just go and feel like myself and see what that feels like and feel beautiful and she looks great.

She looks happy. Here's a picture of her.  Oh, she's fucking stunning. Jesus Christ. I think here's the thing.  I was never big into makeup. Yeah.  I view makeup as fun. It's, to me it's not correcting anything, it's fun, and so I'm like, it's like putting on a dress versus wearing pants.

 It's, just, yeah, I don't view it as, Oh, I feel it as a correction. It's Oh no, no, no. No, it's like how to correct. How To me,  it's like painting your nails. It's just like a little, it's play. Huh. Yeah. I definitely, see yes, she's stunning and yes, she's young and It's ridiculous.

That's absurd. But that doesn't mean that she doesn't have the same pressures. of looking stunning, beautiful   red carpet ready.  Yeah. I think a 27 year old has more pressure than us. I do too.  She's probably a lot harder on  perhaps we are. And she is a content creator. So she's also getting awful comments, I'm sure. But I like this trend of people. Alicia Keys did it, not wearing makeup. Alicia Keys did a

whole, yes. A long

time ago. Yes. Yeah, Alicia Keys. She did it first.

I I think that would have been the loudest anyone was about it. Yeah. And a big name that was doing 

it. 

I think that's great. I

Yeah.

That's why I, that's, I spend a lot of money on lasers and working on my skin because I don't want to wear makeup. It's time. To me it's time. I'm like, I don't have time to do this.

 Obviously it's not fucking working.   But I also  picker. I am  Can't  so fun. And then I like blackheads.

Oh yeah. I  I like getting a nipple  satisfying thunk. Yeah. Same as a chin hair. Thunk.  Why does yours click?  Because I'm not good at sound effects. Are you good at sound effects?  No, but I'm gonna voices. Yeah, I can't do this There's something about sound effects that I just what sound effects like give me a sound and I'll try and do it I'll honestly try and do the sound a fart noise. 

Oh, yeah, you're not very good.  I was too wet. I was too wet 

You  so cute though.   Are you guys gonna do any like surprise puppies? Are you guys gonna get another dog for Christmas? Are you fucked in the head? You should have, you had two dogs?

I love, I would fill my house with dogs. I know. I know you would. I can't. What about a bird? Bird.  No, I'd never. I would never own a bird. I would never get a bird. Bird and rodents? My son wants rodents? Absolutely not. No. This is my first house I've ever lived in that does not have rodents. He can play outside and find a mouse.

I'm a grown ass woman. It's my first house with no rats or mice. No. You're not bringing them in. I'm not bringing any in. I will never own a bird. For me, owning birds is weird. But then I found out that Judi Dench owns a bird and I was like, Oh! She's a very old lady. I feel like birds and old ladies are a thing.

She actually also has a parrot. So maybe that's different. She has like an African gray parrot. Do they talk? Oh, it talks. Oh, Judy Dench's parrot is an African gray parrot. She inherited it. It was living with someone for like 15 years. And then she inherited this bird. And she was like, Oh, does it talk? And the previous owner was like,  Oh, yeah, yeah, it talks.

It talks. So the bird does talk, but the bird says things like, You're a slut. Oh my god!  You're a slut. Okay, I would get this bird. Yeah,  she says She says the bird also says Boris Johnson, but Judi Dench says he didn't get that from me.  And then at one point Judi Dench was having a conversation with her grandson's girlfriend about like long underwear or something like that.

the bird quietly went, You slag. You're a slag. Oh my god, I love it. Yeah. Yeah, you have a little accent there. Okay, my accents aren't great. And then apparently the bird does have an accent because it learned to speak from its previous owner. So the bird actually has a bit of like a lower voice.

So it's you're a slut. You're a slut.  Isn't that great? I would just have people over and then all of a sudden there's, they're hearing voices. Isn't it? I can't, yeah. I didn't even know Judi Dench has a new documentary series called The Odd Couple. 

It's a friendship between 89 year old Judi Dench and Jay Blades, who's a 35 year old repair shop guy. She is an icon. And of course she has a bird that calls people little sluts.  Anything she does. I'm like, all right, I'm all for it. So maybe 2025 is the year you add a second dog to your home. Nope, definitely not. Nope, haven't, did that. Okay. Did that. Re homed. What about I like to adopt dogs. I have this thing, people like to collect bags. I like to adopt dogs and re home dogs and train dogs. I really like working  Yeah, and you love working with animals that are like difficult too. Yes. I see myself in them.  They're just  📍 misunderstood.   See you next year. My kids think that's a hilarious joke on December 31st  They think they're hysterical.  And I have to laugh. I have to let them think they're funny.  It builds character. I won't be the one to ruin that for them.  📍 Friends, that's it. This is the last podcast of the year.

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