Chris and I went away for four days to Palm Springs.

 The last time we spoke, you were like,  I want to go away with Chris. And not have it tacked on to another trip.  do it. I can do it. And we did it. And you did it. Where'd you find the money?  We found a cheap flight and we have a free place to stay. 

Amazing. Yeah. Fuck yeah. And we bought groceries. I'll vote. Do you know how much the American dollar cost me? Man, nobody's going to the States in 2025. Jesus Christ. Emily, are we buying? All of us Canadians

are

like, sorry, we can't afford you

anymore. I bought two

margaritas, so 24.

Okay, that makes sense. USD! And then

you get the little notification in your phone. 24 was 36.  So we read books.  Would do things where it's you know what how older people will have a big lunch at around four and then that's kind of dinner.

Yeah, that's what we do. Yeah. Anytime we get to go, we're like,  we get up and go for a big walk and we'll have breakfast at 11 and lunch, dinner at four. Yeah, that's all you need. I needed that. I needed bubbly so I could have like little Aperol spritzes. And we just read books.  And slept. And went for walks.  Oh, that's amazing. Do you guys still make out and stuff? Yeah. Good for you! You know what's funny? We got really sick on New Year's Eve because we were kissing so much. Aww! And Chris had a cold, but we were doing the New Year's countdown for like different time zones.  He just kept doing it. So we just kept kissing. 

Aww! But then the next day I was like, ugh, my throat hurts.  📍 And   📍 Welcome to Your Weekly Breakdown, the silly and occasionally smart podcast.

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And to stay in the know on all things culture, work, and family. And women.  So much has happened since we last recorded. Yeah. And I said,  I was like, we got to talk about Luigi and the healthcare CEO. And my friend was like, who's Luigi?  Really? I know. This is a well read person had no idea about Luigi Mangione and the healthcare CEO. Had they heard about  the killing? Nope. Not at all. Nope. Really? I know.

 I was like, do you not understand the cultural relevance of this bit of news? So there are just like

different

tiers of news. And so I was thinking, I wanna make a grid  where there's information of cultural relevance, that shifts our cultural behaviors and norms. Yes. And then, of intellectual relevance.

So what would it be like if we're thinking of the four points like dumb, smart, important, not important?  You can learn really great life lessons from the Real Housewives as we've discussed in previous podcasts I don't learn it, but you do and I think that is of cultural import   That's fucking culturally relevant. Yes.  It's such a symbolic thing of the rising up of the people. Coming for the CEO of Of a company, yeah. And then we've got, musicians like Ethel Cain. 

Ethel Cain, who actually has a really great, haunting album out. Oh. She is obviously promoting her album right now. And she doesn't need to say anything crazy. She's got a huge fan base. We need to remember if you say something online, it does exist forever.  She said, she was in her Instagram stories, and she said money and politics is the root of our dysfunction.

And then she added the hashtag kill more CEOs.  Is that a hashtag? Is it trending? And then she doubled down when people were like, Ethel, yo. And she said I genuinely mean what I say. This was her actual commentary, she said, nobody is getting visited by the ghost of Christmas future.

No one is having a change of heart. It's simple. You make them fear for their lives and hit them in the only place they hurt or nothing will ever get done. She said, I don't even see how that's an incredibly radical idea. It seems quite straightforward to me.

Violence is never the answer. Wrong. Sometimes it is. The world is burning, and it's very clear who's holding the matches. Yeah. Whoo!  Public figures say crazy shit all the time. Let's be honest, the tech bros and the bro tatoes, and I'm picking on the men here, sorry boys, but people say ridiculous things all the time.

I think it's so shocking to hear this musician take such a stance and to have put it on Instagram when it's literally about killing a person. Now, You can go into any

of the comments

on our Instagram and people talking about how we should die. And that's like less impactful than a

person with a

million followers saying

something like that.

And I don't believe them, but it's true. We were, I'm like, people love us. I don't listen to anything that's bad. Just so we're clear, Kate does not do social media.

I

feel blessed. right now in Los Angeles, there's like around the Palisades over 23, 000 acres. We're destroyed. Yeah. Destroying 5, 000 structures. That's at today's count. That's gonna, it keeps going up. There are still fires. Exactly, but then you look at the Palisades Mall that was protected by Rick Caruso, the billionaire who owns the Palisades Mall.

Oh shit. Who brought in private water trucks to protect the mall.  And I get why people Are going like that you're untouchable like these people like Rick Caruso. Yeah, I'm naming names

You know protect

yeah their

business

over people's homes there does seem to be an injustice.

we've watched

the income gap shift dramatically over the last few years the rich become richer the poor become poorer and there comes a time when that turns into a revolution history repeats itself we can go and look at any revolution and how it started on the note of the fires let's start off with that us west coasters we know lots of people who live in la kate all of our actor and creator friends are often based in la my heart Absolutely aches for the city, the firefighters and first responders, the animals, those who've had to evacuate and everything they've left behind, whose homes have burned, it's unbelievable.

If you can contribute to any of the rebuilding in any way, shape, or form, we've got a few trusted ways to help   support folks in LA. The Red Cross is always a good bet, baby to baby. California Fire Foundation, California Community Wildlife Recovery Fund, the Los Angeles Fire Department Foundation, Animal Wellness Foundation, and the World Kitchen Center.

So I'll link to all those in the show notes, but, the schools are gone, the homes are gone, like rebuilding, and these are not all fancy la di da people. No. , there are working class folks. And families in L. A. who have lost everything. 

 I was recently in Palm Springs and I met this man who had lost his home. He said he had 30 minutes from the phone call until his house was on fire to evacuate.

What was interesting was that

His neighbor had called him and said the fires are coming. Like

it looks really bad. And

he looked outside of his house

and he's

I think she's exaggerating. Oh Jesus. The winds, 80 mile an hour winds.

And what I

didn't realize or think of until this

man said

That afternoon while he was in Palm Springs, he was going to meet with a real estate agent. because now people need homes and the price of homes is going to fucking skyrocket Anywhere around there is going to be crazy expensive. You'll never get fire insurance again That's a big issue too in Los Angeles It's gonna be impossible.

The companies have started be sneaky and remove it. They sure have over the last  while. Yeah. So it was things like that, that I didn't think of where, the idea of having 30 minutes to leave your home and say goodbye forever and also to just drive and where do you drive to?

Where do you go? Where do you go?  Yeah. What about your job? What about your kids school, libraries, everything, all the public services? Yeah.  And rebuilding these things? And the fires are still going on. It's not like a one time thing. It's so scary. And it's still happening.

 I've seen and read some reports about people already gouging prices for rent, hotels, people just totally taking advantage of the situation. Doesn't shock me. One bit. 

  📍 So much has happened since I've seen you. I don't know if we can take another month off. No, we can't. It was too much. I know. 

I loved it. And like, regroup. You loved it. Fuck you.  You don't have to do this if you don't want to. I know.  Trust me. I know. It's not like I'm making money and it's not like you're losing money. Also, if you'd like to sponsor and have your business on your weekly breakdown, you can. It was so fun. I got our Spotify wrapped for the year.

People in 78 countries listen to us. We are rated, across the board, five star. Really? Uh, Yeah. Our numbers are, soaring. So it's super fun for like a little Canadian indie pod. My goodness. Yeah. That's good. That's cool.

It is cool. It's shocking. Yeah. Considering this is our first year, I'm learning a lot about podcasting. Yeah. I'm learning about topics too that I have, I would have never

Yeah.

researched or looked into.  It's nice to look at the news in a way where I hear something and I go, Oh, I wonder, like I, it allows me to be instead of judging something right away, I will listen to it a little bit longer to think, Oh, is that something I could bring on the podcast?

And even that five second gap of not deciding that, who cares, is changing my brain and listening to the news. Absolutely. I think we need to be super present and none of us are because.  Tech is ruining us.  That's just my opinion. Actually it's funny you say that because there's a new special out called Social Studies.

Have you heard about this documentary? No.  It's an FX series called Social Studies. And it's from the director Lauren Greenfield.  She discusses how looming social media bans could be positive. So they just did this in Australia where they banned social media for anyone under 16. This documentary looks at that with a group of high school students in L. A. high school, and they take their phones away from I guess it's a social experiment more, in which  these teens offer their phones to the producers, and then they give the audience an intimate glimpse into how social media has shaped their childhood.

Whoa.  lover of no phones at schools.   sorry, my stomach is making so much noise, I really hope the mic isn't picking it up. I didn't hear anything. Okay, that's good. I'm fucking starving. Don't forget that half of your ears are inside of your body, baby.  What? Excuse me? I don't know, I just made that up. Oh my god, don't make stuff up! But it's true!

Your ear canal! You just said you made it up! I made up the saying, but I didn't make up the fact.  No, I'm saying maybe we can hear inside our own bodies more than we can hear outside. Because our ear canals are inside the head. Maybe. Anyways, I wanted to say this. What's interesting that these teens are talking about in this documentary is that they make their social plans through Snapchat. 

They join a club in high school and all the updates on the club are posted on Instagram. So you feel bound to it, right? There's this attachment  so in 2025, the LAUSD, it's the nation's largest public school district, they are going to ban cell phone use during school hours.

Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.  Some schools have already implemented this rule and kids are having no complaints. No. What I saw in this documentary, was that the kids are finding out that they're enjoying these social interactions without interruptions. Yes.

Yes. Put the phone down. Do you know who's complaining? Parents. Yeah. It's not the teachers and it's not the  📍 kids.  

 The Golden Globes happened 

since I Saw You Last. Nikki Glaser did an amazing job. I can't wait for more of her. I know. Me too.

watch her 2019 Netflix special. It still holds up. It's fucking hilarious. She's great. And she  She hosted the Tom Brady roast. She sure did. She did an amazing job. Yeah. What else happened? Trudeau resigned. Our Canadian Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, resigned. I didn't know if we were ever going to hear from him again.

He'd gotten so quiet over the holidays. He did. He clearly was enjoying himself. Trump decided to start his weird shit about 51st state. Yes. It's not a great idea. However, if California would like to be a province or a territory, we'll take on Oregon, Washington, California. And maybe Northeastern United States. Maybe we'll do a little Vermont, New York, New Hampshire maybe not New Hampshire.

You can apply. What a turd. But anyway, it's like doubling down on it, there's a lot going on. Anyway, and that was just in the short month since I've seen you.  Bad Bunny released wonderful album. Oh, I didn't hear that.

It was in the newsletter last week. No, I didn't hear the album. You didn't read it either. I haven't read an email in months. I'm not gonna lie. I hate email.  You hate email? I talk a lot of shit for somebody who's afraid to respond to an email.

 That's what I like to do. Oh,

pomodoros.

You're going to do a Pomodoro. Yeah. Like

a pomodoro timer.

Yeah, a

timer.

But a Pomodoro timer is

a great tool.

That's when I am my most effective. 

So a pomodoro timer is essentially, it's, let's

say it's

25 minutes of work. And then you get a five minute break and you set a timer and what you do is you sit down without interruptions for 25 minutes and you're giving yourself that time to be productive

and

it can be for anything really.

it's helpful when it

comes to

work on a computer and scrolling. But it can also be helpful for cleaning your house and you go, okay, I'm going to do 25 minutes. of just putting shit away. And having that timer where you just say I'm dedicated to this one task. It's a great feeling.

I love it. Yeah. I'm a big fan. It is a huge unhealthy part of avoiding burnout for me. Because I'm the type of person who would rather go all out for 12 hours and shut out the rest of the world and then come up for air. Pomodoro is actually really healthy and taking a break is really healthy and walking away from  healthy too in those five minutes.

See, I'm the one who's going kicking and screaming into work where I go, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to. So if someone says, what if it's for 25 minutes, I go, okay. Oh, really? Okay, fine. I'll do it. I love work. 

I love work. I turn into such a grumpy person over the holidays when the kids had time off school. I just kind of default to parent mode. I love hanging out with my kids. Let's be really clear. I have fun with them, but  a part of my soul dies because I just want to create and write and do stuff and be productive.

I feel better about myself when I'm productive, which is also its own weird and twisted thing that I'm sure I'll talk about in therapy when I can afford it again. But I just, I love work. See, we're a good team. We are a good team.

Ooh, maybe you should just interview therapists and then that way you can get like free therapy in the other podcast. Wouldn't that be something?  Interviewing therapists. I was thinking about interviewing creatives.  The UK just made their announcement, Prime Minister Sir Keir said that the government in the UK plans to use AI across the country to boost growth, deliver services, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

They want to turbocharge it essentially. That includes creatives. Oh. And artists. So we've had that happening here in North America where we've discussed HarperCollins wanting to buy out their writers and you make a deal with an AI company to help train the AI. 

We're made to create.  It's so satisfying to create, to build with your hands, to create music, to write, to tell stories, and if A. I. is doing that. A. What we're consuming is going to be A. I. There's a whole, there's a literal TV channel that only shows A.

I. content. I don't want to plug it, but I didn't know about this. I know. I'm not even going to link to it because they're literally, their CEO said they're counting on us. To be too lazy to change the channel,  right? 

But on that note of AI, I do want to talk about a few things because One thing I didn't talk about, in the last month since I've seen you, Mark Zuckerberg's been up to some shit.

I do. And you know I'm going to talk about tech because it's in and around us. It's us. It's in you. It's in you. It might be. 

A lot of stuff's going on and it impacts us. Every single day. Yes. So stay with me here because it's important. I'll go through it fast and I'll link to in the show notes for anybody who's super curious and sorry to bore those who don't enjoy it but it's impacting you. You need to know. There is no tinfoil hat on my head when I say they are listening to you.

Apple has agreed to pay 95 million dollars in a class action settlement that alleged that third party contractors inadvertently recorded and listened to private Siri conversations. I talked about this months ago. Yes. They're listening. Okay. Stay with me. More has happened. Meta, and good old Mark Zuckerberg, have been busy so far in 2025.

First, Instagram has been showing users AI generated images of themselves in ads. Talked about that a couple months ago. You called it. Yes. I'm not making shit up. Their tool, as we talked about. You have to opt out in the settings, but they're using the data you're inputting, your photos and captions and whatever, to train their AI, and now they're using their AI to serve you ads.

And we're in a Black Mirror episode. Another thing that happened, Meta also decided to shut down all of its DE& I programs. So that's diversity, equity, and inclusion. Gone. And they're Removing content moderation. Now, I've read yesterday there's some debate around whether they've removed all content moderation or they've reduced content moderation.

When they announced this internally, the employees started commenting and questioning the move. the company, folks in the company started to delete those comments from the employees. So  the only. Content moderation you get is if you're an internal employee working at Meta.

back to AI, full circle here, not surprised, Mark Zuckerberg gave the okay to engineers to train their AI on copyrighted materials. So he set, so the engineers used copyrighted materials to train their artificial intelligence. Then what's the point of having a copyright? Exactly.

Especially when you have these huge companies,  they have so much money and so many resources.

How do we manage that moving forward? And then  Mark Zuckerberg, the CEO of Meta, which just to be clear, that's Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram, and threads. The CEO, Mark Zuckerberg, went on the Joe Rogan podcast and said that they need more masculinity in the workplace He said this on the podcast? He sure did. That didn't go viral in my algorithm. I'm glad you didn't get that in your feed.

I would like to know that, though, for those in the tech community. I think it's really a big it's a big deal.

When you curry favor to whoever's in charge, you are lacking your own

values.

So a lot happening in tech

it's

been a lot for people if you're online, so I would highly recommend putting your phone down. 

That's, I'm without words, I think my brain is still trying to formulate what I just heard and take that in.  With the exception of deleting my Instagram and my Facebook Whatever, it's I feel so powerless after that news. 

, it is a shitty feeling. We do feel powerless. Again, this plays right into the idea of the  a revolution percolating.

A reporter named Sam Biddle obtained internal Meta documents with examples

of posts

that are now allowed under the new hate speech rules. Those are his words. Trigger warning. I'm going to use some terminology here that I don't think

is okay,

but I want you to understand.

The severity of what these content moderation changes mean. So this means  these are terms that would have normally or been flagged or removed.  In these meta documents, this says now these are to be left there.

Examples include calling children trannies. Jews are flat out greedier than Christians, and  are grubby, filthy pieces of shit. Those are examples used in meta documents of things that are now okay to say. Another one are gays are freaks. Look at that tranny beneath, for example, a photo of a 17 year old girl.

Those are now comments that are gonna be Fine. Fine. It will not be flagged. People can go and say that. And, don't forget, these assholes are flooding their platforms with AI users. With not real people. Yeah, who comment to increase engagement. So it's gonna be a bit of a cesspool  social media is already not great No, it's very imperfect.

And this is just we're just adding fuel to a fire. I'm glad that in Canada. We can't get our

news

No, see, I'm not. Really? You want to get our news? I'm very opposed to the Online News Act. So my thinking on that is, though, I like that to get news you have to, you have to pay for it, which is frustrating, but No, it's great.

I do believe in paying for journalism. It's not that paypal, or that it's behind a paywall, it's that everything on the internet now I just, I assume everything on social media, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, X. TikTok. I don't believe any of it. And that's part of creating confusion.

You have everyone constantly questioning what's true and what's not. 

If you're like, Oh my God, what the fuck is happening? You're right. You're on it. You're completely in tune. Yeah. And if you're like, huh, then that's fine too. And I wish I was you. 

 For those of us

who are

chronically online

those in our business, I think

it's a big

deal.  

Should we talk about fun things? Because I'm a fucking Debbie Downer today. No, you're not. I don't think you're being a Debbie Downer at all.

I think what you're sharing is important news to hear, and it's the effect of the news is the thing that makes me feel defeated. But it's not the news itself. It's me processing what that means. It is. We need to create change. There was a great piece in the cut, On what happens when my child watches YouTube unsupervised and all of the air quote facts that this kid is learning are completely made up.

Yeah, even when they have all of the parental controls in place, just stuff like that. It's at least we're starting to talk about it.

At least

people are like, Oh, shit. Where did you learn this?

That's completely made up.

Us as adults having to literally learn media literacy. That's a really big deal.

And then us teaching the next generation and our children and our parents, media literacy. Hey guys, that's not right. That's incorrect. How to determine an AI created image versus a real one. People are out there sharing AI videos of the LA fire that are not real,

we're. In this weird,

loud, 

very noisy space of News and content. And our identity

in

that. Tell me more. What do you mean? I think we're starting to see ourselves as we see our existence on social media, and if it's not on social media, do we  Maybe an age thing, but I've started to like, remove myself from that.

Yeah. I don't feel compelled to share.  

I think a lot of people, though, their social media their page is their brand. It's their calling card. It's who they are.

 We live in a culture that demands that, I think, in, in large part. There are definitely some professions where it doesn't.  Everybody's trying to sell, right?

We're all just trying to get food on the table. And that's a way of selling, and I think you do I have to have a brand online. It sucks balls, but it's gotta be there. I have to be online. And like I said, that was my thing I was trying to say, is will we exist if we're not online?  Such an interesting question, but yeah,  not panicking. Don't panic. I'm not panicking.  Okay. I'm panicking. I panic a little. It's hard to know what to believe when things just go away. What happened to the drones above New Jersey, is my question. At one point everyone was like, these drones above New Jersey, these drones, are they aliens?

Are they drones? What are they?   Came back to my mind because we had forgotten about it, right?

It went away. This was a 2024 thing.  I feel like people Luigi. Maybe you'll need another assassination to remember him. Oh,  fuck. Because what triggered my drones memory was these weird ass space balls that are showing up in Australia.

Have you heard about this? I'm sorry, the what? Spaceballs? Isn't there a movie? Spaceballs. Yeah, that was a movie. What's a spaceball? that's not the term for it, but it's what I'm calling them.

It's these little balls that are showing up on the beaches of Sydney.

They've had to close nine beaches in Sydney, Australia. What?  Let me say it in my best Australian accent. Oh, I'm excited. These are the beaches they had to close. She's person. D Y? Long Reef, Queenscliff, freshwater, north and south  , north Stephen, north Narin Bean beach all closed. That's terrible.

That was pretty good. So these are nine beaches they had to close because these little balls

are

showing up on the beach perfectly. Round spheres color, gray and white.

material?

They're made of disgusting fibers, say scientists, this is the quote, but they're perfectly round, they don't know what they are exactly, and that's why they have to close all these beaches.

I made up a theory in my head already, but I I want to hear what people are explaining. Okay, this has happened before, these like chunkers have shown up on the beach, and so they, but they don't really know what they are, other than knowing that they're a collection of fatty acids, petroleum hybocarbons, and other organic and inorganic materials.

They contain hundreds to thousands

of different

materials, including human hair and various fibers. Oh, I'm gonna throw up. Eww, it smells like a hairball! Noting that the mixture also includes cooking oils, soaps,

and skincare

items.  Also, there's recreational drugs in there, birth control. So how did it end up in the water along the Australian shoreline?

Authorities are considering  several possible causes actually. There could be a shipping spill, wastewater outflow. But, because of the complex composition of the balls and the time they have to spend in the water, they haven't been able to do enough testing to confirm their exact origin.

So is that aliens too?  it's not aliens. No. No. That doesn't surprise me.

We know how much pollution we have in the ocean. The fact that they're in tiny little balls is interesting. That's for me is what it's the shape and the fact that they've just closed these beaches because  well, obviously there's a ton of trash on the beach. Yeah. But they're these tiny little balls, the size of a marble.

 that's weird. Not aliens, but I'm sure someone somewhere thinks it's aliens. Speaking of, so this is why I'm like, what's going on in the world? They've already said, yes, there have been UFOs, right? Didn't that come, wasn't that in the news? Yes. People like me think that they're just saying that to try to distract us from the political climate, but yes, okay,  interesting, which I love a conspiracy theory. I do love a conspiracy theory. Yeah, because then they didn't say anything else afterwards, right? It went away. It went away. Our news cycle is so aggressive.

I wanted the drones to be aliens. Actually, I thought that would have been fun. I'm sure they looked down and went, Nah. Why the fuck would we? Nah. They're messy. Too messy. 

Do you want to hear something really funny? Former Maryland governor in the States, his name is Larry Hogan, said he saw the drones and appeared to be dozens of large drones all in the sky above my residence.

Oh, wait. Yeah, fuck. Circle back here to the drones in New Jersey. ? I read the headline and  I was at capacity for the day. That was hot news that I was prepared to ingest. So there were these drone sightings off the coast of New Jersey and people were like, it's not drones.

They're too big to be drones. They're huge.   This one  former Governor Larry Hogan said he saw these dozens of drones and it was crazy. Turns out it was just the Orion constellation that he saw. So people are dumb. But this is all before Christmas, right? They had spotted an unexplained drone swarm off the Jersey shore. 

It's Santa! So it's literally, there's no conclusion to the story. It's just unexplained. It's been unexplained. They say they're gonna give an announcement about it. 

Incoming presidency at the United States said don't worry. We're going to figure out what it is and then here's another thing about drones. That pisses me off Did you hear about a drone taking down one of the water bombers?

I did and I looked up the photographer whose drone it was And he's getting named and shamed, not on here, but like people figured out pretty quickly who it was because he'd obviously been posting his shots. Why don't you tell the story before I fucking interrupt you all the time? Oh no, not at all.

 So here in Canada, or specifically the province of Quebec, we have these water bombers that are specific to seawater. So they can pick up almost 6, 000

gallons of seawater, which is The most helpful when it comes to a coastal fire. One of the bombers was hit by a. drone and put a sizable hole in the wing of this water bomber. Not only is that incredibly dangerous to the pilot, to the airplane, could have caused way more damage, but also now this water bomber has been grounded and has to be repaired.  People did. pretty quick investigative work and they found that they figured out who the photographer was because there were only so many photographers who are doing aerial shots via drone and this photographer removed all of his shots from the internets the aerial shots are really profound to see, but you can't fly drones in that airspace.

They've specifically requested no drones being flown because of the unpredictable movements of the water bombers.  So this guy's a fucking dick. So sometimes they do make rules that are stupid, but that's a really smart rule. Don't fly. A little baby aircraft when there's big aircraft who are trying to actually fucking help people. Yeah, he could face jail time and a massive fine, Yeah. I hate when I see drones around. It makes me nuts. There was a drone that was over my balcony. I was doing some gardening, watering my little plants. And then I hear this. 

I was like, what the hell is that? I turn around, it's a drone.  I'm on the ninth floor. Could you reach it? I couldn't, but my hoes could. Did you hit it? I sprayed it with my, with the hose. Atta girl. Yeah. And then I gave it the finger.  So here I am, giving a drone a finger, then spraying it with my hose,  but I can't stand it.

I think they're, they shouldn't be a hobby. It's very invasive But apparently they're using drones now to transplant organs. There are great use cases for drones. I'm not saying I don't like drones, but if you're just, if you have it as a hobby and you're flying it around a residential area for no purpose other than taking photos and shit.

I would be throwing rocks if I saw one. 

  📍 what did you think about the Trudeau resignation? We don't go too deep into politics here because we don't want to trigger people, but I feel like we've probably triggered them already, yeah, you're not listening without getting triggered here. I wasn't surprised.

I wasn't surprised. When he resigned. I'm surprised he took so long, yes, in the same way that

when Christopher Ellen, 

resigned. I guarantee you there was a huge conversation there that we will not, we won't know about. Of course not.

 It was interesting to see him step down. Interesting that they're doing this. It's proroguing of government so that there can't be a vote of non confidence. Saw it coming. I, we haven't heard from him in months. It had been a very quiet time from our PM's office. You know what's interesting now is that now we're going to look for a new we as Canadians don't have a leader to our liberal party.

What a circus. What a fucking circus. And now that the U. S. is threatening to add these crazy tariffs, threatening to basically cripple our economy, but also cripple theirs.  Mark Carney was on The Daily Show recently. ex head of the Bank of Canada. Bank of Canada.  An economist. He's technically not in the Liberal Party, but he's pretty embedded with the Liberal Party. But he was on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. Whoa. Okay. 

Jesus,  what was interesting was hearing how much Jon Stewart knew about Canadian politics. Jon Stewart is a very intelligent man. Yes. I miss him very much in like the comedic late night stuff.

And I should probably make a point of consuming more of his takes. Yeah. God, he's a little silver fox. Oh  yeah. Anyway, sorry. Good looking fella. Smart too. Yeah, that's what's hot. to see Mark Carney and Jon Stewart have an interesting conversation about what is happening in Canada, what happens with the US and Canadian relationships going forward.

And it was really refreshing seeing two smart, charismatic people talk to each other. I know. Now Mark Carney is, he is in politics, but he's not. He's an outsider. He's an economist. That's, I like listening to them talk because I know some politicians.  To me, a lot of them are just bloviators who don't know what they're talking about.

And they just, and I hate that politics is a bad name. It's I like policy. Yes. And I like, making change in our society. But politics is, ugh.  It's a great interview  if you have the time. I have to look it up because I'm going to link to it in the show notes. So now I'll watch it at the same time.

It's fascinating to hear how Mark Carney helped steer Canada during COVID and during the pandemic lockdown when it came to how the banks operated, how we handled mortgages during that time. And he basically said, we didn't do anything we didn't understand. So if we didn't understand it, we weren't going to do it.

that alone blew my mind. Mark Carney has a book coming out this spring, of course. Oh, so he's, okay. So we're on a PR, we're doing the tour for the book. Yes. I see. He has announced that he will be running for the head of the Liberal Party. Oh my god, do you think he'll win? I do. The head of the Liberal Party. I do. I don't know if he will, if he'll get the Liberals back in power because of these headwinds all around the world.

There's a lot of pendulums swinging the other way. He's definitely talking about Canada U. S. relations, what Canada needs to do right now. He says that we're at a hinge moment in history.  That's a great way to say it.

And I agree with that. He reminisces of what the Allies were facing in 1941. I didn't know this, but Winston Churchill came to Ottawa and met with Mackenzie King. That's right. , they say it was an age of uncertainty, rising perils.

They had to reshape global political, economic, technological, and social order. It overturned our day to day lives. Throughout the world. And he said we're in that same hinge spot. That's why his new book coming up is called Hinge of Fate. That's fine except that Hinge is also a dating app. 

Yeah.  The SEO on that is going to be terrible.  That's really neat that's what he was talking about. And Jon Stewart would have known that as well. And Jon Stewart knew Pierre Poliev's name.

And how to pronounce it. That was a big move for him. It's a great interview, I highly recommend it. I'm not saying who I'm voting for, I just think it's nice to have two smart, very passionate people talking. Like us. Let's one thing that we value here, though, why I like talking with you is because we sort through the ugly details and still wind up on the other side of maybe disagreeing on things and that's fine. Yeah. That's a, I like speaking that way with people.

I think when you think you know it all, that's a dangerous position to start a conversation from. I'd like to be More wrong, or I'd like to take more chances at sounding challenge accepted. I think on this podcast, I'm hyper aware that people are listening to us I want to sound smart.

 And my challenge for 2025 is to embrace the moment of me going, I don't understand.  Most of the feedback that I get is you guys are at your best when you don't know it all. When you do your stupid shtick where you guys are like, Oh, we're so dumb.

And that's because it's. True, and it's relatable, and the people listening are not scholars, and, we're curious about stuff and we have a conversation about it, it's meant to be like, hey, we're just shooting the shit at home on our couch, 

A lot of time I'll work on these topics or I'll do my research or I'll try and see what I want to bring to the podcast and I think I've nailed it. And then I come and I sit down and talk with you and I realize talking to someone else and having them ask me a question about it pushes me further into knowing.

Pushes me deeper into the experience of going, oh actually let's look into that a little bit further. I like that. I like not knowing. That's a curious comment because 

we are spending so much time on our phones and we spend so much time alone that we don't engage in this dialogue anymore as much. It's a rare occurrence. I even think about outside of my home, how much I see my friends. As a mother,  I rarely get to go to a social occasion where I'm conversing with people.

I got invited out by a woman that I'd met,  I felt so anxious afterward Because I'm not used to having a conversation with people that I don't know questioning Their take, giving my take, talking about issues of matter.

These are very intelligent women, entrepreneurs, very involved in politics, in medicine, in in PR for big shiny people. And I'm aware that when I speak, sometimes it sounds like there's a period at the end of the sentence but really I'm, it's a question mark. I like state the opinion and then I'm waiting for.

The retort, and I want to talk about it, and they are all a little bit like that, too,  I'm just not used to it it was very uncomfortable and I need to do it more.

I need to speak with people in person more. You don't get to edit your text. You don't get to draft the email. I just think it's like a, I don't want to say it's a dying art, but it's certainly lost in my case because I  home all the time with my children. Oh my god. Maybe that's why this podcast is scary a little bit because it's a conversation that we can't really edit.

I think the thing is that we're not claiming to be anything. We're not saying we're something we're not. We're not claiming to be experts in XYZ. No. We're literally like, hey, we're your two funny bitches, having a conversation, wanna come?

 We don't know what we're doing.  I just, I think the people who are listening to us are smart. They are! And I And they're busy as fuck. Yes, and so I'm aware of that.

But are you okay if our smart listeners know that you don't know everything about everything? So long as they think I'm pretty.  No. You listening to us, we're in your ears because you know that we are fucking stupid.

I really do like the tagline, the silly and sometimes smart podcast. Thank you, I made that up. I think it's perfectly fitting. It's meant to be because, yeah, anyway, blah, blah, blah. It's boring to talk about our own podcast, but  I hope people learn something, have a think and have a laugh. Have a think, bring it up at a dinner party, and then feel awkward. That's what I do. Oh  Do you have social anxiety? Yeah. Before the pandemic? Yes. I would have a version of a hangover after a social interaction. Where I would replay everything I did or said that was embarrassing.  I still do that. I do that but like high school stuff.

Awful. It's awful. It's 2am and I'm like,  Yeah, I still have that too. Speaking of grade 11. Oh no. How are you, what are you segwaying to here?   Can I play you something?

Sure.

 Remember this? Nope.  You are older than me. What is it? It's the ER theme song. I've never watched an episode of ER. Oh, now we know how old I am and how old you are. Oh my god. I assume that was like your generation's Grey's Anatomy? Yes. Yes. Yes. I think that's fair.

George Clooney? George Clooney and Noah Wiley. Do you know who Noah Wiley is? No, but I will He's back, baby. Is he cute? Is he single? Oh! He's so  handsome. Oh, holy shit. Okay, his first photo, not good, but then him and Scrubs.  There's a new HBO show. Look at that nose. Yeah, hot. I like a big fucking nose.

Me too. Oh, he's cute. Like Adrian Brody.  Yeah. Paul Metzger.  Yeah. Okay.   Sorry. I'm probably ovulating. I know.  Good God. Oh, he's fucking cute, but he's also like a derp. Yeah. That's a derpy photo. Yes. So he's in a new show, new HBO show. The Pit.

The Pit? HBO has been famous for its original programming when it comes to things like White Lotus, Sopranos and just like that. Succession. Succession. Don't shade my Succession. Oh, two Ts.  The pit's. T it's a, it's an abbreviation of Pittsburgh, the pit, the daily lives of healthcare professionals in a Pittsburgh hospital.

Yeah. It's got a 91% on Rotten Tomatoes already. When did it come out? It just came out this January. So's I, God, I hate it when you know these things before I do. This is my job. It looks so good. The first two episodes are out right now. It's on HBO, so I think in Canada you can watch it on Crave.

. . It's set in the financially strapped emergency department in Pittsburgh. So it's takes place in an ER department. We're back to our ER roots, everyone. Was he in ER? Yes.  So  Noah Wiley was in ER and then ER went away and we didn't see Noah Wiley for a long time. And then The Pit came out, this TV show that takes place in an ER  and it's starring Noah Wiley as Dr.

Michael Robbie Rabinovich. And he's the chief attending and the guy in charge. You fucking nailed that name. Thank you. It's nothing like ER though, the TV show. It just takes place in an ER. I wouldn't know. Exactly. The whole premise of the show is what I'm really excited about.

First of all, is it's 15 episodes. Okay. Which I love. I'm going to need more of him than that. And it takes place in a 15 hour shift in the ER in Pittsburgh. So every hour of the shift is an episode of the show. Oh, God. Yeah. Oh, I'm  I know. I know.

But it's supposed to be absolutely excellent, and if you're looking for a new show to to watch, I always go with an HBO. Also, and Just Like That is coming back.

I fucking can't stand that show, and I will watch every episode. I'll watch every episode. Yeah. And every time I'll go, what are they up to? And Season 3 of White Lotus. Okay, White Lotus comes out next month. So go back and watch Season 1 and 2. You don't need to watch them before you watch Season 3. But God, it's fun. If you love to watch the 1 percent suffer, you will love the White Lotus.

Or a succession. That's a great tagline. Severance. Did you watch it?

Yeah, I didn't like it.   Okay, we're gonna fight. I honestly I watched the five episodes of the first season and I was like boring I had to break between shows because I found it so triggering.

Really? Yes. And my partner hated it. He loved it. Yeah. And I was like, no, I'm going to keep watching this. My partner loved it.  I can confidently say that season two is fabulous if you liked season one. It's a really quirky and weird, eerie, dark show. Yes. I love it. Adam Scott directed by Ben Stiller.

Very funny. Dark comedy. Also will you watch The Traitors? New season of The Traitors. Okay, everybody, you know how I feel about reality TV. I know.  It doesn't, I'm missing a gene somewhere. It doesn't do it for me.

Tell me about The Traitors.  The Traitors is fun because it takes place in a castle and Alan Cumming is the host and This is the UK. We have a Canadian traders. Oh, I'm not talking about the Canadian traders. I'm talking about the U. S. traders.  We're, I'm so sorry to our Canadian audience.

I'm not. That show stinks.  The Canadian traders stinks. No. Yeah,  and I wanted it not to, but it's stinky. It's so boring. It's hard to do your own version. We should just do our own thing. I agree. Okay. Okay. Tell me about the UK traders. How does it work? It's not the UK. I like the U. S. traders. The American traitors, there are people from reality TV, there's people from Survivor, Big Brother, the Housewives franchises,  what happens is Everyone is a faithful, and they all live in this castle, and on the first night, three people are chosen to be the traitors, and it's the traitor's job to kill the faithfuls before the faithfuls figure out who they are.  like I played this game as a kid.

Absolutely. There's a, there's some sort of competition game where one of them can win immunity. They end up having to talk to each other and figure out like, are you a faithful? And everyone's I'm a faithful for sure. Yeah.

Why the fuck would you out yourself? You are not going to out yourself. But then people start catching on being like, why aren't you talking to so and so and so said, you said this.  It's a social game. I love it. This is another reality recommendation and it's on Netflix.

It's the Mr. Beast game show. Oh, Jesus. I know, but he's giving away 5 million and that's what I'm interested in. I'm 1 million prizes or 300, 000 grand prizes. That's what we used to give away 10 years Let's give away 5 million.  to one person. Yeah, I want to change. I want generational wealth to become a thing in one family.

so that's in the Mr. Beast game show.  Pretty semi problematic. Mr. Beast? Yeah. I wouldn't know.  I saw the game show and I went, Oh, that's a funny name for a show. Mr. Beast.  You know he's 26 or 27 years old? He's a YouTube star.  Oh! Our podcast is now going to be on YouTube. Please go subscribe to our channel. Even my burping? Yes.  If you're on YouTube please come and subscribe to our channel. It's at hardcopy. online. Cool! Okay, Mr. Beast. Anyways, I don't know if he's problematic or not, I like to talk about the problematic people. Also, in this game show, Emily, it's a thousand people.

And only one person's gonna win 5, 000. I've seen a video of, like, how they present all these people, and it was very overwhelming. He's been accused of faking videos and ringing results, giving rewards and prizes to his friends and family rather than real, random subscribers. Having fake contestants in videos, using CGI in a dishonest and mis Okay, so like everyone else.

Got it. Abusing the trust of his young, adult audience to turn a profit. Hello! That's what fucking everybody does! So if that's him I'm not saying he's There's some gambling stuff that he's Yeah, meh, okay. A personality. Not that bad, right? I mean, I feel like the bar's really low.  I love a reality TV. I love a competition. I do enjoy watching old Survivor episodes with the kids, so we'll go and watch something from  2011. Yes. And it's very fun. It's very wholesome and fun for them to see those social dynamics play out    📍 I brought a book to show you today. Did you read anything over the holidays? I did. I read Barbara King Soliver's book, Demon Copperhead. Oh yeah. Have you read that one? Yes.  I feel so dumb though. Don't. I was reading it and someone was like, Oh, like David Copperfield.

And I was like, Huh?  The Magician?  funny. It was a, that was a great book. It was beautiful, yeah. I love Ruth Ware.

The woman in Cabin 10 is probably the one you've heard of. Yeah. That was one of her more popular ones. She has one out called One Perfect Couple. Speaking of reality TV, it's about these contestants who go to a reality TV show  and it's couples. And it's who's the perfect couple?

storm hits, they all get stranded. And then people start dying. It's crazy. Is it good?  It was a great novel if you need a little escapism. What would you rate it? One to ten. One to ten? And but first I want to know, the best book you've ever read being ten? I'm not playing this game.

Please, what's your favorite book?

A book you would give a ten  Fall on Your Knees.  And Marie  Yeah Ten is tough. Ten is tough. What a book. I also love  rom coms. Yes. Sexy rom coms. I love that shit. Yeah. I'm a bad book raider. I'm like a good resource for, I need a book that feels like X and Y. Yeah. I got you. Yeah. Because I like a variety. One Perfect Couple was a fun escapist novel and Her writing's wonderful, and it's not an intellectually challenging novel.

My rating is read or don't read. Okay.  That's why I'm not on Goodreads. Everybody's like, why don't you put hard copy on Goodreads? Because then we can see all the books you recommend. Yeah. Because I don't want to rate it out of five.

I'm like, read it or don't. I'm not gonna recommend a book to you that I don't think you should read.  There's two to three books per newsletter. Because I read a lot. And, it's literally my job. And I'm not gonna recommend a book that I don't think you should read. Yeah.

Does this sound stupid? I'm not gonna No, I like that. I know Read or don't read. People are like, a three out of five. And I'm like,  what's it worth? I'm gonna use your subjective rating system. . To determine whether or not I read it. I don't know. I've done that where I've looked at someone else's ratings and been like what do you like?

And then I look at what they've given a five to, which maybe that's what Good Reads is good at doing. I went to the airport. I was looking for a novel to read. That's one of my favorite things is just like plucking a novel from the shelf to read on a five hour flight. Every single book option, every single fiction option, had a dead woman. Every single one. And I was like, nah.

I didn't want to read about a dead woman. I get it that's often the basis for a lot of novels. Actually, I'm thinking back on the books I've been reading and you're like, yeah, and then she died.

there was a long time where  I wanted happy endings, happy things.

Emily Henry's novels like Beach Read or People You Meet on Vacation, that kind of stuff. I like a variety. But I've got something for you. Because it's January and  so many of our newsletter subscribers and so many of our podcast listeners are readers, because you're all fucking intelligent women, and the few men, thank you for listening, I have 25 books to check out in 2025 up on the hard copy.

blog. Perfect. So I'll link to it in the show notes, but our blog in general is at hardcopy. online. And there's so many good ones.  It's for the year. So they're not all out yet. to be anticipated. I love that. There's a new one out called Good Girl by Aria Eber. So this one is novel's protagonist is a young German woman born to Afghan refugees. And the protagonist rebels against her parents expectation by exploring Berlin's famous rave culture, floating in and out of warehouses in a haze of techno and drugs.

And as she gets deeper into the scene, she begins a toxic entanglement with an American writer. Hit me up.  give me some drama.  When it comes to like my book reading philosophies. Yeah. If you're a third of the way through and you don't like it, you don't have to finish it.

Yeah. Life is short. Put the book down.  There's a writer, Elizabeth Ellen, she has a book coming out at the end of the month. I don't know where I stumbled upon her book, Fast Machine. It was years and years and years ago. And I've kept it. I often give away books. But I also keep my special ones and have like my own little personal library.

The way she told

her short stories

in Fast Machine was so

moving

to me at the time that I read it, probably in my early 20s. 

She was what inspired me to try to write. And to give it a whirl, 

So 

she has a new book coming out called American Thighs, which I'm very excited about, big fan of her writing. I'm scared to read it because I'm scared that I will then be again compelled to take my novel off the shelf and deal with it, which I don't want to because it's trash but it was fun to write.

draft of the novel that you've written are you on? Two.   Anyway there are some very exciting books coming out. Oh, I can't wait. I'll link to that. Remember last month I was telling you about my Rauhnacht? No. I didn't tell you about what I did with my Rauhnocht?

I don't even know what that word is. Oh my god, that's right, I didn't tell you because Okay, what's the word? What is the word you're saying? Spell it? Rauhnocht. R A U H N A C H T E. What does that mean? It's German, I'm guessing. You don't even know! No, I'm kidding! Of course it's Nacht! It means wild night.

should have told you about this earlier, but I think you can do it anytime. It's a bit of a pagan thing. It's a bit witchy. Love a witchy. Yes. I think many of our listeners are a bit witchy. So apparently there's a veil that's lifted or something like that between the last six days of one year and the first six days of another.

Okay. So it's the practice of Rauhnocht.

You write down 13

wishes.  god. On a little piece of paper that you want. 13 wishes that you would like in your life. 

Okay. Yeah. Now they have to be realistic wishes because what you do is

you take

your 13 wishes, tear them up so

that they're

on individual pieces of paper.

So

you've written out your 13 wishes, you've

cut them

into individual

wishes,

fold them up and you

put them

in a bag or a container or whatever so you can't see them.

And every night for 12 nights you randomly burn a wish without looking  you just burn it, let it go into the universe.

Okay.

And then on the 13th night, you are left with one wish in that bag, box, whatever you kept your wishes in. And that wish is for you to work on this year. The other 12 you've sent out, hoping, trusting, but the 13th one is the one that you have to do work on.

Yeah.

Where did you stumble upon this practice?

My best friend's mom told me about it. And she was doing it and I was like, I'm going to do it this year too.

No way. And at first I was like, how am I going to come up with 13 wishes? That's a lot. Yeah.  Are you allowed to tell people? Can you tell us? Or what would you, what were you left with? The one I was left with was actually really beautiful and I didn't expect it. Some of my wishes were things like,  one was like, I gotta drink less. 

I wish to drink less. I was like, Sure, that'll be a wish.  Or yeah, a lot of them were really personal, but one of them was, I wish to get to know my brother better. And that was the 13th wish that I ended up with.

One of my wishes was to be brave. Because when I was thinking about what's my word of the year Oh yeah, did you pick one? Yeah. It's gonna be courage.  Sense of courage.

To be courageous. Heads up, the paper I use had a weird little waxy film on it.

So one, the wishes wouldn't burn, which I thought was  a real sign. But also when it did burn, it stunk. Safe fire practices. Yeah, find some real paper, nothing that you bought at like a Muji store or station store. Do it in the sink, or outside. Do it outside. Oh, see, I'm like, do it in the sink. Don't fucking listen to anything I say.

Burn things outside and look into Raunocht. other things that are exciting in 2025, there is a ton of great new music coming out,  so if you need some super fun music or playlists, we obviously we spoke about Ethel Caine. Her album  I would describe it as very haunting.

If you need something a little more hard, a little punky, highly recommend Lambrini Girls, they have a new album

out called

Who Let the Dogs Out. I'll link to Duendita, The

Mind is a

Miracle. Very soft, very lovely, very I need to wind down and have a minute. And then obviously Something Upbeat, Bad Bunny's album is Just fantastic. What an artist. You'll be shaking your ass all out your kitchen. 

Do you

listen to music often? Yes. Okay. All the time. I don't. Oh. Interesting. When you were making music recommendations, I was listening and going, when would I put an album on?

Oh. And I haven't done it in forever. Someone asked me like how the newsletter got started back when we were still using MySpace. I would curate music recommendations that was the beginning of me going, have you heard about or have you listened to  I've just been doing this forever. And so actually making it more formal and putting it in the newsletter. I listen to music all the time. I'm a music. Kid, like I, yes, you're musical. Yes, musical. I find it very moving. And if I Rewind and rerecord some parts of my life, it would  actually  probably in some  I would love to hear you play music and sing.

No  actually, this is one guy I was thinking about him. I don't know why he was on my mind Super hot. Hottest guy I've ever tagged. We both have musical pasts, and he was talking about how he was the lead singer in some band that he was in.

I remember he gave me shit because I was like, eh, I prefer like a drummer, and he's like, oh, the drummer's just the guy who didn't get to be the lead singer, and I was like, a lead singer would say that,   I never did get to hear  which kind of always made me sad, and I never will, oh yeah, and then there was the other guy he was naked and playing his guitar and feeding me almonds.

I've talked about him on the podcast before. And he was not a good singer, but it was like such an intimate thing. It's so awkward to have a person sing to you. Or at you. Yeah, it's good if they're good. It's good if they're good.  But it's also awkward.

If someone sings for you, you're like, I know you feel silly, but It's just so vulnerable, right? When someone sings, it's yeah,  it's very vulnerable. We talked about that and being vulnerable with people and that's we're not very good at that. Yeah, we're not, no, because right now my shoulders just went up. 

But it's that, we were talking about the, we were talking about vulnerability and intimacy it's funny because if he, if I had been able to hear him sing, I'm sure I would have thought it was incredibly ridiculous or the moment itself would have been ridiculous. Yeah. If I was like, sing for me, like people don't do that on demand.

It's like very awkward. But that I didn't get that vulnerability and intimacy makes me sad. Because it's like a part of him that I wanted to know. And I don't and I never will. I think it's for the best that you don't know.  I do. I remember there was a guy once who rapped for me. No!  Oh, that's giving Kendall from Succession.

And he rapped original stuff too. It was all original wraps. I sat down. He stood in front of me. Andra  at me. No, No.  I had luckily, was it romantic? It was like a friend being like, I'd love to rap for you. And I was

like,

 how do you say no?

You can't say no, but good for

them

 No, it

was a

hostage situation.  It was . I was held hostage in that moment. I. I dated a guy in university who was an emcee, not like hosting an event, but an actual would rap. I would hear him like mumbling to himself.

He also was a DJ. He was really good. Oh God, what a loser. Oh my God. Anyway, like I just, it's so funny. It was over half my life ago, thinking about this stuff, loved him, adored him. He had no shame about his craft and he would have been like 20 Yeah, I fucking love that.

Yeah, I love that.  I did hear him Perform like in a group setting where there were other MCS and it was I was very Impressed. I thought it was so hot that he like had a thing and Yeah, I love him. I wonder how he is. That was, would you say that was about like 35 years ago then?

Hey, suck it! No! No, half my life ago. Okay, so you're only 35. I, no,  I'm higher than that. 

Okay, let's wrap up this podcast.  I have to pee so bad. I have to pee so bad.  Do you ever pee your pants?

Oh my god. The only time I pee my pants is if I try and do a double under on a skipping Okay, I'm good. And I've birthed two children.  Sometimes I worry I'm gonna pee my  I believe as we get older that is a thing we're going to have to deal with. I know. That's my understanding. Pelvic floor physiotherapy is absolutely wonderful and should be mandatory for either new moms or women of a certain age.

Pelvic floor physio. Yeah. It's a whole thing. It's amazing. Should I get it now?  If you are struggling with incontinence or something, then yes. Do you pee your pants when you run? No. I don't run.  It's definitely a thing. It's totally normal. It happens. But it also doesn't mean it's okay.

It's just that it hadn't, it's definitely newer that it's being addressed by health practitioners now.

I don't pee my pants yet, but I look forward to the day I pee my pants. I'm about to, unless you wrap up this fucking podcast. Oh my god, who does the outro first? Oh, it's me. Sorry. Sorry.    📍  📍 All right, friends, we are done here for the first podcast of 2025. Please click subscribe or follow or whatever the little button says so that you don't miss the weekly episode. We'd love it if you'd rate and review the podcast so that other people like you can find the podcast more easily. Better yet, if

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