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Bronsdon","startTime":1978.273,"endTime":1979.023,"body":"That's"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1978.273,"endTime":1979.023,"body":"gonna be really fun."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1979.023,"endTime":1980.283,"body":"I, I'm excited to try it out."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1980.333,"endTime":1981.623,"body":"Carol, thank you so"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1980.333,"endTime":1981.623,"body":"much for joining me here"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1981.623,"endTime":1982.193,"body":"and Dev interrupted."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1982.193,"endTime":1983.003,"body":"It's been a pleasure having you."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1983.003,"endTime":1984.593,"body":"I'm sure you're gonna"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1983.003,"endTime":1984.593,"body":"crush your talk tomorrow."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1984.973,"endTime":1987.387,"body":"And if you want more 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