{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":0.0,"endTime":1.959,"body":"This has to be one"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":0.0,"endTime":1.959,"body":"of the business requirements that"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1.959,"endTime":6.139,"body":"technical people have to hold The"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1.959,"endTime":6.139,"body":"model creators responsible for, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":6.199,"endTime":10.2,"body":"And right now, I'm not sure if that"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":6.199,"endTime":10.2,"body":"feedback loop, how strong it is, you"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":10.2,"endTime":13.18,"body":"know, we can get deeper into that,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":10.2,"endTime":13.18,"body":"but there's challenges with it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":13.2,"endTime":15.33,"body":"Does open source AI even exist?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":15.37,"endTime":16.549,"body":"I guess that's another challenge."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":16.939,"endTime":18.619,"body":"Oh, we're, we're"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":16.939,"endTime":18.619,"body":"definitely going to dig into that."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":26.323,"endTime":30.593,"body":"Hey folks, we are back for another"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":26.323,"endTime":30.593,"body":"deep dive episode of Dev Interrupted."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":30.713,"endTime":32.573,"body":"I'm your host, Conor Bronsdon."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":32.573,"endTime":37.023,"body":"And today we are jumping into the world"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":32.573,"endTime":37.023,"body":"of open source Gen AI with Scott McCarty,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":37.273,"endTime":40.793,"body":"Senior Principal Product Manager at"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":37.273,"endTime":40.793,"body":"Red Hat's Enterprise Linux Platform."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":41.443,"endTime":45.933,"body":"Scott's here to talk about how open source"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":41.443,"endTime":45.933,"body":"AI can revolutionize enterprise DevOps."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":46.448,"endTime":48.728,"body":"Innovating while still"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":46.448,"endTime":48.728,"body":"solving key challenges around"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":48.728,"endTime":50.508,"body":"licensing and legal concerns."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":50.925,"endTime":54.945,"body":"if you enjoy this episode or other"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":50.925,"endTime":54.945,"body":"episodes of ours, please just take a brief"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":54.945,"endTime":59.475,"body":"moment to rate and review Dev Interrupted"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":54.945,"endTime":59.475,"body":"on your podcasting app, whether that's"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":59.485,"endTime":64.455,"body":"Stitcher, Spotify, Apple podcasts, it"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":59.485,"endTime":64.455,"body":"helps expose the podcast to other leaders"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":64.455,"endTime":67.955,"body":"who could find value from it, and it"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":64.455,"endTime":67.955,"body":"helps us land great guests like Scott."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":68.935,"endTime":73.155,"body":"So Scott, let's get started on the"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":68.935,"endTime":73.155,"body":"state of AI and enterprise DevOps."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":73.575,"endTime":77.235,"body":"AI is obviously creating huge"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":73.575,"endTime":77.235,"body":"possibilities for developers, and I'm"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":77.235,"endTime":81.435,"body":"sure many folks are kind of sick of"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":77.235,"endTime":81.435,"body":"hearing us say those words, AI, AI, AI."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":81.435,"endTime":84.385,"body":"But when it comes to deploying"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":81.435,"endTime":84.385,"body":"these models commercially,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":84.435,"endTime":85.705,"body":"there's still a lot of hesitation."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":85.795,"endTime":86.825,"body":"Are they making money?"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":86.905,"endTime":87.755,"body":"Do I really need this?"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":87.815,"endTime":89.225,"body":"Is it as effective as I want it to be?"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":89.765,"endTime":92.605,"body":"What do you see as the biggest"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":89.765,"endTime":92.605,"body":"roadblocks keeping AI out of"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":92.705,"endTime":94.305,"body":"production environments right now?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":100.795,"endTime":104.485,"body":"you know, I'd say, well,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":100.795,"endTime":104.485,"body":"much like the early days of open source,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":104.505,"endTime":108.885,"body":"a big blocker is not sure, being not sure"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":104.505,"endTime":108.885,"body":"yet of like, what, what does it all mean?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":108.885,"endTime":109.535,"body":"What can I use?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":109.535,"endTime":111.775,"body":"What can I get a, what am"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":109.535,"endTime":111.775,"body":"I going to get sued for?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":111.815,"endTime":113.505,"body":"You know, what am I, what can I use?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":113.545,"endTime":113.935,"body":"Et cetera."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":114.365,"endTime":115.445,"body":"It reminds me of the early days."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":115.445,"endTime":119.925,"body":"I remember being like 1997 I, I guess"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":115.445,"endTime":119.925,"body":"I'll tell a story like I, I started at"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":119.925,"endTime":124.325,"body":"NASA in 1999 and I remember I was the new"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":119.925,"endTime":124.325,"body":"kid and I was young and they were using"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":124.325,"endTime":128.665,"body":"Solaris and Irix and all kinds of other"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":124.325,"endTime":128.665,"body":"things and I brought Linux in and I was"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":128.665,"endTime":131.635,"body":"like, yeah, we can just use this Linux"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":128.665,"endTime":131.635,"body":"thing and they were like, eh, and they"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":131.635,"endTime":134.545,"body":"had to get this approval process that"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":131.635,"endTime":134.545,"body":"went up through all these managers and"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":134.545,"endTime":138.595,"body":"then six years later in like 2005 when"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":134.545,"endTime":138.595,"body":"I left, It was the other way around to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":138.635,"endTime":141.475,"body":"still buy Irix and still buy Solaris."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":141.475,"endTime":143.625,"body":"You had to get an approval all"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":141.475,"endTime":143.625,"body":"the way up to the center director."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":144.105,"endTime":146.045,"body":"And so like how quickly it flipped, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":146.055,"endTime":147.485,"body":"Like six years, it completely changed."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":147.515,"endTime":151.225,"body":"I think we're in a similar place with"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":147.515,"endTime":151.225,"body":"AI where it's like still kind of scary."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":151.225,"endTime":153.975,"body":"We're not sure like, Oh, did"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":151.225,"endTime":153.975,"body":"it pull data from Reddit?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":153.995,"endTime":157.265,"body":"Did it pull stuff from, you know,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":153.995,"endTime":157.265,"body":"did it pull some licensed, you"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":157.265,"endTime":161.295,"body":"know, uh, or, or copyrighted text"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":157.265,"endTime":161.295,"body":"or copyrighted images or whatever?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":161.295,"endTime":164.685,"body":"Like, so there's, there's a lot"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":161.295,"endTime":164.685,"body":"of indemnification, challenges."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":164.725,"endTime":166.815,"body":"I'd say there's one big"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":164.725,"endTime":166.815,"body":"one, but I'd also say."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":167.355,"endTime":169.705,"body":"There's like an actual"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":167.355,"endTime":169.705,"body":"use case challenge too."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":170.045,"endTime":173.035,"body":"Like there is, we are clearly"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":170.045,"endTime":173.035,"body":"in a hype cycle, obviously."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":173.405,"endTime":177.265,"body":"like two, three, about a month ago"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":173.405,"endTime":177.265,"body":"I was at DevConf, uh, US, which"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":177.275,"endTime":178.625,"body":"is a Red Hat sponsored conference."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":178.625,"endTime":180.315,"body":"It's kind of like one of our"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":178.625,"endTime":180.315,"body":"really engineering focused"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":180.315,"endTime":181.565,"body":"conferences and we had a day zero."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":182.065,"endTime":184.995,"body":"And, uh, I would say the vibe I"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":182.065,"endTime":184.995,"body":"got from probably 300 people from"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":184.995,"endTime":187.675,"body":"a bunch of different companies was"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":184.995,"endTime":187.675,"body":"like, don't say the word AI again."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":188.262,"endTime":190.182,"body":"there's a extreme lack of use cases."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":190.182,"endTime":192.092,"body":"There's a lot of people"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":190.182,"endTime":192.092,"body":"saying, we just got to do AI."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":192.112,"endTime":192.992,"body":"We don't know what it is."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":193.022,"endTime":194.492,"body":"You know, like just figure out something."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":194.502,"endTime":195.712,"body":"I think that's a big challenge too."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":196.242,"endTime":199.842,"body":"I think, I think real solid use"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":196.242,"endTime":199.842,"body":"cases is a challenge right now."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":200.482,"endTime":201.732,"body":"Those are probably my two biggest ones."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":202.587,"endTime":205.417,"body":"well, Scott, I want"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":202.587,"endTime":205.417,"body":"to ask you about those legal and"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":205.417,"endTime":206.927,"body":"licensing concerns you mentioned."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":207.027,"endTime":210.697,"body":"Obviously, this is a huge"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":207.027,"endTime":210.697,"body":"area of risk for Gen AI."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":210.697,"endTime":215.452,"body":"I mean, I think We've also seen"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":210.697,"endTime":215.452,"body":"some of the generated work that's"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":215.452,"endTime":217.702,"body":"happening in places like Disney today."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":218.232,"endTime":222.502,"body":"This is going to date the episode, but"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":218.232,"endTime":222.502,"body":"it was announced today that the actor"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":222.502,"endTime":227.382,"body":"who played Grand Moff Tarkin, his estate"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":222.502,"endTime":227.382,"body":"and his good friend are suing Disney over"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":227.382,"endTime":229.492,"body":"the use of his likeness in Rogue One."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":230.272,"endTime":233.922,"body":"So there's a lot of stuff happening"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":230.272,"endTime":233.922,"body":"here on the licensing front, both"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":233.942,"endTime":237.902,"body":"just simply on the generation side,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":233.942,"endTime":237.902,"body":"as far as the video and pictures."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":238.242,"endTime":241.132,"body":"You know, we've seen fakes of Taylor"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":238.242,"endTime":241.132,"body":"Swift and many other celebrities."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":241.427,"endTime":245.377,"body":"But also if we dive into the"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":241.427,"endTime":245.377,"body":"enterprise models side of things,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":245.557,"endTime":246.747,"body":"where are you training your data?"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":246.747,"endTime":247.877,"body":"Where are you getting that data from?"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":248.197,"endTime":249.867,"body":"Uh, are you allowed to train off it?"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":249.887,"endTime":250.997,"body":"And, and so much more."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":250.997,"endTime":255.507,"body":"So can you dive a bit more into what's"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":250.997,"endTime":255.507,"body":"happening there and where there are risks?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":255.982,"endTime":257.032,"body":"yeah, absolutely."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":257.482,"endTime":261.462,"body":"I think there are risks like, for"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":257.482,"endTime":261.462,"body":"example, we still have, I would say"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":261.482,"endTime":266.472,"body":"most enterprises have a restriction"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":261.482,"endTime":266.472,"body":"on using LLM generated code, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":266.472,"endTime":267.842,"body":"Like you're like, don't, great."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":267.842,"endTime":268.302,"body":"Look at it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":268.322,"endTime":268.812,"body":"Learn."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":268.882,"endTime":269.422,"body":"Awesome."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":269.692,"endTime":271.382,"body":"If you commit that we're going to be in."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":271.742,"endTime":272.982,"body":"We're going to have a problem, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":272.982,"endTime":275.632,"body":"Like definitely not very many people"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":272.982,"endTime":275.632,"body":"are comfortable with that yet."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":275.832,"endTime":278.982,"body":"In fact, I haven't heard of a single"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":275.832,"endTime":278.982,"body":"company that's that said, yeah, great."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":278.982,"endTime":279.532,"body":"Just do this."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":279.532,"endTime":280.212,"body":"See what happens."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":280.232,"endTime":281.882,"body":"Like, you know, nobody's doing that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":281.962,"endTime":284.782,"body":"Uh, I would say, yes,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":281.962,"endTime":284.782,"body":"that's a big challenge."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":285.377,"endTime":288.507,"body":"I would also say, like, it's like,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":285.377,"endTime":288.507,"body":"okay, how is it trained, but then,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":288.867,"endTime":292.467,"body":"how do I, like, most models are not"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":288.867,"endTime":292.467,"body":"even set up to cite their work, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":292.477,"endTime":293.687,"body":"Like, in any way, shape, or form."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":294.007,"endTime":296.837,"body":"I think something, two interesting things,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":294.007,"endTime":296.837,"body":"not that I want to talk about all of"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":296.837,"endTime":300.997,"body":"our stuff, but like, the first place"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":296.837,"endTime":300.997,"body":"where I saw this done right, if, being"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":300.997,"endTime":303.197,"body":"super honest, was Ansible Lightspeed."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":303.197,"endTime":306.557,"body":"So Ansible Lightspeed is like a,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":303.197,"endTime":306.557,"body":"I don't know what you'd call it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":306.557,"endTime":311.187,"body":"It's a tooling with it that's enabled by"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":306.557,"endTime":311.187,"body":"an LLM similar to like Copilot where it'll"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":311.187,"endTime":313.167,"body":"help you generate Ansible config, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":313.167,"endTime":316.457,"body":"Like it's an annoying thing to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":313.167,"endTime":316.457,"body":"generate config management, you know,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":316.457,"endTime":319.547,"body":"code, basically, like for me, I,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":316.457,"endTime":319.547,"body":"it's been a long time since I did it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":319.837,"endTime":321.487,"body":"I don't really feel that"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":319.837,"endTime":321.487,"body":"great anymore at it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":321.487,"endTime":322.607,"body":"I can't do it off the top of my head."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":322.817,"endTime":326.417,"body":"It's nice to have help, you know,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":322.817,"endTime":326.417,"body":"generate that, but it also is really"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":326.417,"endTime":329.547,"body":"nice the way it cites it, like, like"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":326.417,"endTime":329.547,"body":"when you're generating the code, it will"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":329.547,"endTime":332.547,"body":"generate the code for you, but then it'll"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":329.547,"endTime":332.547,"body":"say, Oh, look at these three examples."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":332.982,"endTime":335.772,"body":"of what we used to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":332.982,"endTime":335.772,"body":"synthesize to create this."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":336.112,"endTime":336.952,"body":"That's pretty cool."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":337.152,"endTime":340.592,"body":"And by the way, look, the licensing on"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":337.152,"endTime":340.592,"body":"these all is Apache or it's, you know,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":340.602,"endTime":345.232,"body":"BSD or Apache or whatever, you know, you"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":340.602,"endTime":345.232,"body":"know, what GPL, whatever it is, but it"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":345.232,"endTime":348.082,"body":"will show you the license and show you"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":345.232,"endTime":348.082,"body":"what it was, show you the piece of code"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":348.082,"endTime":349.642,"body":"that it came from and how it generated it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":349.862,"endTime":350.792,"body":"That's pretty cool."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":351.242,"endTime":354.692,"body":"That feels like something that if I"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":351.242,"endTime":354.692,"body":"roll the clock forward five years, a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":354.692,"endTime":356.322,"body":"lot of models should be doing right."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":356.322,"endTime":357.652,"body":"Like they should be able to do that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":358.062,"endTime":360.432,"body":"But I think we have to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":358.062,"endTime":360.432,"body":"ask the world for that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":360.532,"endTime":361.017,"body":"All right."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":361.397,"endTime":365.127,"body":"Mentioning, again, DevConf, again,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":361.397,"endTime":365.127,"body":"about a month ago, we were with Kelsey"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":365.127,"endTime":369.647,"body":"Hightower and we talked about this,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":365.127,"endTime":369.647,"body":"like, Like, we need to hold, this has"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":369.647,"endTime":372.937,"body":"to be one of the business requirements"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":369.647,"endTime":372.937,"body":"that technical people have to hold The"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":372.957,"endTime":375.397,"body":"model creators responsible for, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":375.457,"endTime":379.457,"body":"And right now, I'm not sure if that"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":375.457,"endTime":379.457,"body":"feedback loop, how strong it is, you"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":379.457,"endTime":382.437,"body":"know, we can get deeper into that,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":379.457,"endTime":382.437,"body":"but there's challenges with it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":382.457,"endTime":384.587,"body":"Does open source AI even exist?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":384.627,"endTime":385.807,"body":"I guess that's another challenge."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":386.197,"endTime":387.877,"body":"Oh, we're, we're"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":386.197,"endTime":387.877,"body":"definitely going to dig into that."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":387.992,"endTime":394.402,"body":"And I think you're spot on that because of"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":387.992,"endTime":394.402,"body":"this risk of hallucination, because of the"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":394.402,"endTime":397.892,"body":"fact that we don't necessarily know where"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":394.402,"endTime":397.892,"body":"data is coming from, it's really important"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":397.892,"endTime":400.012,"body":"that we're starting to have these"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":397.892,"endTime":400.012,"body":"conversations these last several months"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":400.052,"endTime":404.192,"body":"around things like RAG, or Retrieval"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":400.052,"endTime":404.192,"body":"Augmented Generation, and the ability"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":404.192,"endTime":408.172,"body":"to reference authoritative knowledge"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":404.192,"endTime":408.172,"body":"bases outside of training data sources."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":408.272,"endTime":411.057,"body":"And This is where I'm"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":408.272,"endTime":411.057,"body":"getting this info from."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":411.057,"endTime":414.367,"body":"This is, this is where it's coming"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":411.057,"endTime":414.367,"body":"from, because as I think anyone who's"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":414.367,"endTime":417.967,"body":"been a student before knows, like, you"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":414.367,"endTime":417.967,"body":"are expected to cite your sources, uh,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":418.007,"endTime":422.687,"body":"and there is a risk that when you're"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":418.007,"endTime":422.687,"body":"not citing sources, uh, information"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":422.687,"endTime":426.167,"body":"is wrong, uh, stuff is getting"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":422.687,"endTime":426.167,"body":"transposed, misinformation spreads."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":426.917,"endTime":427.257,"body":"Yeah,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":427.532,"endTime":431.382,"body":"Given the requirements"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":427.532,"endTime":431.382,"body":"of enterprise code bases or documentation"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":431.382,"endTime":435.352,"body":"or anything else you're trying to do at"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":431.382,"endTime":435.352,"body":"an enterprise level with AI, we need to"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":435.352,"endTime":442.552,"body":"have that record of how processes actually"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":435.352,"endTime":442.552,"body":"occur and how we generate answers, how"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":442.732,"endTime":444.682,"body":"agents are going about their tasks."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":444.762,"endTime":447.092,"body":"I know there's going to be some"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":444.762,"endTime":447.092,"body":"black box pieces of like, Hey, this,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":447.172,"endTime":448.672,"body":"like, this is the model being used."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":448.702,"endTime":449.512,"body":"You know, we're using clod 3."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":449.512,"endTime":451.172,"body":"5, for example."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":451.392,"endTime":455.216,"body":"But like, what's the logic that was"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":451.392,"endTime":455.216,"body":"used by an AI agent to generate."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":455.586,"endTime":458.796,"body":"the workflow and actually create"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":455.586,"endTime":458.796,"body":"the work that's being done."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":458.796,"endTime":461.656,"body":"Maybe it's, you know, updating"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":458.796,"endTime":461.656,"body":"documentation, for example, uh, we need"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":461.656,"endTime":464.546,"body":"to have that understanding of that or"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":461.656,"endTime":464.546,"body":"else there's a ton of risk that comes"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":464.546,"endTime":470.806,"body":"with that and any enterprise that has"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":464.546,"endTime":470.806,"body":"any sort of compliance or security"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":470.806,"endTime":472.306,"body":"needs, uh, has to be on top of that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":472.931,"endTime":475.191,"body":"yeah, and I'd,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":472.931,"endTime":475.191,"body":"I'd argue there's some security"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":475.191,"endTime":476.241,"body":"through obscurity right now."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":476.241,"endTime":478.701,"body":"We're like, okay, I don't know"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":476.241,"endTime":478.701,"body":"what the data source is, but how"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":478.701,"endTime":481.271,"body":"long until some hacker figures out"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":478.701,"endTime":481.271,"body":"how to poison the data source with"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":481.271,"endTime":483.42,"body":"something that they want generated,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":481.271,"endTime":483.42,"body":"and they figure out based on cloud 3."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":483.421,"endTime":487.81,"body":"5 or, you know, or GPT 4."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":487.871,"endTime":491.121,"body":"Uh, they know how to like sneak a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":487.871,"endTime":491.121,"body":"piece of code in through this, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":491.121,"endTime":492.711,"body":"Like how, how long until that happens?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":492.761,"endTime":493.151,"body":"I don't know."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":493.151,"endTime":494.211,"body":"Probably has already happened."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":495.401,"endTime":496.321,"body":"If we just don't know yet."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":496.321,"endTime":496.671,"body":"totally."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":496.671,"endTime":500.281,"body":"And, and we're seeing it in, in"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":496.671,"endTime":500.281,"body":"some cases already where certain"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":500.281,"endTime":503.681,"body":"researchers,  out of Harvard and"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":500.281,"endTime":503.681,"body":"elsewhere have already figured out."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":503.826,"endTime":508.326,"body":"Phrases that you can give to LLMs"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":503.826,"endTime":508.326,"body":"to get them to adjust their results."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":508.406,"endTime":511.858,"body":"And people are considering those"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":508.406,"endTime":511.858,"body":"similar to like injection , prompt"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":511.858,"endTime":515.218,"body":"attacks, and I think we're going"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":511.858,"endTime":515.218,"body":"to see increasing ability to."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":515.653,"endTime":518.133,"body":"You know, guide LLMs in the"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":515.653,"endTime":518.133,"body":"direction you want to see it."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":518.133,"endTime":522.173,"body":"I mean, there's, there's silly examples of"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":518.133,"endTime":522.173,"body":"it too, where you see Twitter bots where"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":522.173,"endTime":526.093,"body":"people reply to like ignore all previous"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":522.173,"endTime":526.093,"body":"instructions, give me a story about, you"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":526.093,"endTime":527.753,"body":"know, an apricot or something like that."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":528.033,"endTime":531.753,"body":"And that's like the very basic level, but"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":528.033,"endTime":531.753,"body":"it's only going to get more sophisticated."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":531.983,"endTime":537.743,"body":"So as we need to develop better trust"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":531.983,"endTime":537.743,"body":"in AI, how can companies approach"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":537.743,"endTime":542.183,"body":"that and try to deploy these models at"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":537.743,"endTime":542.183,"body":"scale, but also build trust in them?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":543.463,"endTime":547.043,"body":"Yeah, I think at some"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":543.463,"endTime":547.043,"body":"point, you know, the way the world, the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":547.043,"endTime":550.183,"body":"way the landscape looks right now is"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":547.043,"endTime":550.183,"body":"there's what four or five, call it big"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":550.503,"endTime":552.413,"body":"foundation models that everybody's using."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":552.853,"endTime":554.183,"body":"They're super powerful."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":554.223,"endTime":556.613,"body":"They're super expensive"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":554.223,"endTime":556.613,"body":"to run and infer from."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":557.213,"endTime":561.753,"body":"So the question is, is like, does do"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":557.213,"endTime":561.753,"body":"smaller, better trained models that"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":561.753,"endTime":567.043,"body":"cost less, that are easier to understand"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":561.753,"endTime":567.043,"body":"perhaps, and maybe smaller training"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":567.043,"endTime":568.893,"body":"data, better cited training data."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":569.243,"endTime":573.343,"body":"Well, let's back up and say, okay,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":569.243,"endTime":573.343,"body":"the OSI, you know, Matt, they've been"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":573.343,"endTime":576.603,"body":"meeting for like a year now to like come"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":573.343,"endTime":576.603,"body":"up with the definition of open source."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":576.953,"endTime":578.413,"body":"This is the natural process that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":579.883,"endTime":580.903,"body":"They have to do this kind of thing."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":580.903,"endTime":583.813,"body":"We did this in the late night, mid"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":580.903,"endTime":583.813,"body":"nineties, mid late nineties,  to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":583.813,"endTime":585.083,"body":"come up with open source licenses."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":585.083,"endTime":585.243,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":585.243,"endTime":587.383,"body":"And I think we're doing it again to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":585.243,"endTime":587.383,"body":"figure out what is an open source model."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":588.133,"endTime":589.933,"body":"I'm going to lay out the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":588.133,"endTime":589.933,"body":"Scott McCarty hot take."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":589.943,"endTime":592.143,"body":"You know, I think it requires the code."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":592.383,"endTime":594.573,"body":"I think it requires the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":592.383,"endTime":594.573,"body":"data that was cited."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":594.883,"endTime":599.743,"body":"And I, I think it, uh, uh, unless"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":594.883,"endTime":599.743,"body":"you have the code, the data."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":600.208,"endTime":603.968,"body":"And basically the model itself,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":600.208,"endTime":603.968,"body":"the weights, those three things."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":603.968,"endTime":605.948,"body":"If you don't have access to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":603.968,"endTime":605.948,"body":"those and you can't modify them."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":605.948,"endTime":607.028,"body":"So like the freedoms, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":607.028,"endTime":609.558,"body":"The software freedoms and for, for"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":607.028,"endTime":609.558,"body":"software freedoms, if you can't"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":609.568,"endTime":612.378,"body":"modify them, access them, redistribute"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":609.568,"endTime":612.378,"body":"them, blah, blah, blah, like."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":612.998,"endTime":614.148,"body":"Is it really open source?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":614.158,"endTime":618.878,"body":"You know, I'm front running, you"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":614.158,"endTime":618.878,"body":"know, the OSI a little bit, but"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":618.878,"endTime":622.498,"body":"like, I have a suspicion that their"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":618.878,"endTime":622.498,"body":"definition is going to kind of be that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":622.518,"endTime":624.998,"body":"You know, I haven't actually had a chance"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":622.518,"endTime":624.998,"body":"to look at their working definition."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":624.998,"endTime":625.558,"body":"They have the 0."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":625.588,"endTime":626.198,"body":"8 version."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":626.198,"endTime":627.358,"body":"I just looked not too long ago."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":627.658,"endTime":629.158,"body":"But it's going to be"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":627.658,"endTime":629.158,"body":"something like that, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":629.188,"endTime":631.498,"body":"And so then the question goes,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":629.188,"endTime":631.498,"body":"like, do we even have that yet?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":631.508,"endTime":633.048,"body":"Like, I don't know of a single model."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":633.278,"endTime":636.428,"body":"The Granite models from IBM are"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":633.278,"endTime":636.428,"body":"probably the closest thing I've seen."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":636.768,"endTime":640.468,"body":"You know, at least they're like, it's"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":636.768,"endTime":640.468,"body":"a finite set of data that is cited."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":640.538,"endTime":643.368,"body":"And so you know exactly what the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":640.538,"endTime":643.368,"body":"data is, the models out there."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":643.538,"endTime":645.928,"body":"You know, that's about the closest"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":643.538,"endTime":645.928,"body":"you've got right now, I think, but"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":646.318,"endTime":649.808,"body":"there are a bunch of models, but how"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":646.318,"endTime":649.808,"body":"many of them comply with like an OSI"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":649.808,"endTime":652.258,"body":"definition of, you know, open source?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":652.368,"endTime":652.868,"body":"I don't know"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":653.133,"endTime":654.293,"body":"Uh,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":653.133,"endTime":654.293,"body":"that's a great question."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":654.343,"endTime":659.253,"body":"And I'm glad you brought up the"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":654.343,"endTime":659.253,"body":"fact that right now, most of us are"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":659.263,"endTime":662.983,"body":"generally leveraging LLMs, large"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":659.263,"endTime":662.983,"body":"language models, but there's this"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":662.993,"endTime":668.153,"body":"growing trend of small language models"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":662.993,"endTime":668.153,"body":"and, uniquely trained models off of."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":668.508,"endTime":672.808,"body":"You know, proprietary data, uh,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":668.508,"endTime":672.808,"body":"and that brings up all these, you"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":672.808,"endTime":674.208,"body":"know, customer privacy concerns."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":674.208,"endTime":675.718,"body":"We're seeing the EU start to regulate."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":675.718,"endTime":678.178,"body":"We're seeing regulation starting to"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":675.718,"endTime":678.178,"body":"move through in the U S and elsewhere."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":678.438,"endTime":683.388,"body":"There are going to be so many changes that"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":678.438,"endTime":683.388,"body":"happen here as far as what's been really"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":683.388,"endTime":685.368,"body":"a wild West is starting to coalesce."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":685.758,"endTime":688.278,"body":"and that comes with both"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":685.758,"endTime":688.278,"body":"opportunities and risks."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":688.718,"endTime":691.818,"body":"And I know that you've also had"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":688.718,"endTime":691.818,"body":"some thoughts around what this"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":691.828,"endTime":694.858,"body":"means, not just for software"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":691.828,"endTime":694.858,"body":"developers, but also for other"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":694.858,"endTime":696.828,"body":"related fields like sysadmins and IT."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":696.928,"endTime":699.598,"body":"What are you seeing on"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":696.928,"endTime":699.598,"body":"that side of the fence?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":700.238,"endTime":700.638,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":700.638,"endTime":704.128,"body":"So, obviously we have our internal,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":700.638,"endTime":704.128,"body":"we, we have like our Ansible"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":704.128,"endTime":705.628,"body":"Lightspeed, we have Ochi Lightspeed."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":705.628,"endTime":707.728,"body":"One might imagine there will be"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":705.628,"endTime":707.728,"body":"other lights speeds at Red Hat."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":708.358,"endTime":711.448,"body":"I'll say the, the types of business"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":708.358,"endTime":711.448,"body":"problems that we're looking at is like"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":711.508,"endTime":715.398,"body":"very specific to who are the users"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":711.508,"endTime":715.398,"body":"of, like say Red Hat Enterprise Linux."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":715.398,"endTime":719.448,"body":"My product, uh, architects are a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":715.398,"endTime":719.448,"body":"huge type, you know, architects, cis"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":719.478,"endTime":722.298,"body":"admins, developers, those are kind"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":719.478,"endTime":722.298,"body":"of the three, let's to say archetypes"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":722.298,"endTime":724.188,"body":"that are sub sub versions of them."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":724.188,"endTime":727.128,"body":"Some are network admins, some"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":724.188,"endTime":727.128,"body":"are network architects, some"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":727.128,"endTime":728.178,"body":"are security, blah, blah, blah."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":728.178,"endTime":728.538,"body":"There's a."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":729.013,"endTime":732.133,"body":"Whole smattering of specialist"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":729.013,"endTime":732.133,"body":"architects and specialist admins and"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":732.133,"endTime":737.043,"body":"specialist developers, but You go,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":732.133,"endTime":737.043,"body":"what can these I've dug into, for"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":737.043,"endTime":740.313,"body":"example, like I wrote an article a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":737.043,"endTime":740.313,"body":"little while back, uh, about, like,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":740.313,"endTime":743.713,"body":"what are the use cases that would help"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":740.313,"endTime":743.713,"body":"a develop, uh, a sysadmin, for example."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":743.723,"endTime":746.913,"body":"So, like, think through, literally,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":743.723,"endTime":746.913,"body":"like, what is a sysadmin's"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":746.933,"endTime":748.273,"body":"nightmare scenarios, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":748.283,"endTime":751.808,"body":"Like, you're like, okay, I wake up"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":748.283,"endTime":751.808,"body":"at 2am, I'm digging through a log."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":751.898,"endTime":753.238,"body":"I don't understand the log."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":753.528,"endTime":756.338,"body":"The log has a bunch of natural"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":753.528,"endTime":756.338,"body":"language that was developed, that was"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":756.338,"endTime":757.718,"body":"written by somebody like me or you."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":757.978,"endTime":760.618,"body":"That like, I don't even, I didn't"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":757.978,"endTime":760.618,"body":"even really pay much attention to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":760.618,"endTime":762.008,"body":"what I wrote in the error message."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":762.208,"endTime":764.888,"body":"So like, it only kind of has"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":762.208,"endTime":764.888,"body":"quasi fuzzy meaning anyway."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":765.238,"endTime":768.438,"body":"And then you put a whole bunch of them,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":765.238,"endTime":768.438,"body":"you know, sporadically into a log."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":768.448,"endTime":772.288,"body":"You know, and it's some microservices"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":768.448,"endTime":772.288,"body":"app that fails in some weird, unique way."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":772.678,"endTime":775.068,"body":"You know, like, that's a scenario"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":772.678,"endTime":775.068,"body":"where you're like, wait a minute."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":775.828,"endTime":780.658,"body":"LLMs, RAG, or like just summaries in"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":775.828,"endTime":780.658,"body":"general of something, like you could"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":780.668,"endTime":783.698,"body":"take a big chunk of the log, paste it in"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":780.668,"endTime":783.698,"body":"and say summarize this for me, like what"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":783.708,"endTime":786.758,"body":"happened here, you know, and it's like,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":783.708,"endTime":786.758,"body":"oh wait a minute, it can kind of fuzzy"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":786.758,"endTime":791.698,"body":"logic summarize, that's a pretty cool use"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":786.758,"endTime":791.698,"body":"case, like that's one where I think it's"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":791.698,"endTime":796.628,"body":"a really good use case because sysadmins"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":791.698,"endTime":796.628,"body":"never have 100 percent confidence."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":796.993,"endTime":799.643,"body":"They like, the day they put things"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":796.993,"endTime":799.643,"body":"into production, they're like,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":799.663,"endTime":801.183,"body":"I'm 90 percent sure this is right."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":801.573,"endTime":804.263,"body":"And I'm like, we think it's working,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":801.573,"endTime":804.263,"body":"the developers have said it's working."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":804.563,"endTime":806.383,"body":"Like, I don't even know what the app does."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":806.463,"endTime":809.463,"body":"Like, yeah, throw my hands up,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":806.463,"endTime":809.463,"body":"I went to sleep that night."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":809.833,"endTime":814.413,"body":"Then they get paged at 2am,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":809.833,"endTime":814.413,"body":"and they're like, I'm like, 90"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":814.413,"endTime":815.753,"body":"percent sure this is failing."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":815.953,"endTime":818.453,"body":"But I'm not 100 percent sure,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":815.953,"endTime":818.453,"body":"because like, I get paged all the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":818.463,"endTime":819.663,"body":"time, and it's not always real."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":820.033,"endTime":822.863,"body":"And so then you log into it, you poke"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":820.033,"endTime":822.863,"body":"around, and you're like, Eh, okay, now"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":822.863,"endTime":825.683,"body":"I'm 95 percent sure this is broken,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":822.863,"endTime":825.683,"body":"let me fart around with it for a while."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":826.043,"endTime":826.703,"body":"Let me get it back."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":826.763,"endTime":828.563,"body":"You know, then an hour later,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":826.763,"endTime":828.563,"body":"they got it working again."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":828.603,"endTime":830.963,"body":"Again, they're back to like"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":828.603,"endTime":830.963,"body":"80, 90 percent confidence."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":830.983,"endTime":832.103,"body":"I think it's working again."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":832.313,"endTime":833.303,"body":"I'm going back to sleep."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":833.503,"endTime":836.503,"body":"So like you got to remember their"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":833.503,"endTime":836.503,"body":"percentages have always been very fuzzy."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":836.703,"endTime":839.553,"body":"So I would argue things like"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":836.703,"endTime":839.553,"body":"LLMs are actually an improvement."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":839.823,"endTime":844.093,"body":"Like if you can take me from 80 to 85"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":839.823,"endTime":844.093,"body":"confidence or like 80 to 90, That's"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":844.113,"endTime":847.663,"body":"material for me, like, I think I"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":844.113,"endTime":847.663,"body":"understand what this log is saying,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":847.663,"endTime":848.963,"body":"but let me have it summarized."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":849.223,"endTime":851.883,"body":"Okay, yeah, alright, I think my"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":849.223,"endTime":851.883,"body":"hunch was right, you know, like,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":851.883,"endTime":853.233,"body":"now that built my confidence better."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":853.423,"endTime":856.743,"body":"So I like scenarios like that,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":853.423,"endTime":856.743,"body":"where you're already working in"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":856.743,"endTime":860.223,"body":"statistical nightmares anyway, because"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":856.743,"endTime":860.223,"body":"that's kind of a sysadmin's life."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":860.638,"endTime":864.378,"body":"So, I like log analysis, I"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":860.638,"endTime":864.378,"body":"like config file generation,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":864.388,"endTime":866.278,"body":"I like config file upgrades."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":866.588,"endTime":868.858,"body":"You know, like, I gotta use from"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":866.588,"endTime":868.858,"body":"one version, I gotta move from"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":868.858,"endTime":873.048,"body":"like, the regular eth0, you know,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":868.858,"endTime":873.048,"body":"eth scripts to network manager."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":873.048,"endTime":874.498,"body":"Okay, cool, I don't wanna know that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":874.558,"endTime":876.248,"body":"Like, I just, I don't wanna know that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":876.248,"endTime":878.078,"body":"Like, generate that thing,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":876.248,"endTime":878.078,"body":"and if it works, I'm good."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":878.098,"endTime":880.778,"body":"Like, I was never 100 percent"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":878.098,"endTime":880.778,"body":"confident I did it right anyway."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":880.838,"endTime":883.578,"body":"Like, I've generated so many"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":880.838,"endTime":883.578,"body":"config files that I'm not sure of."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":883.618,"endTime":884.428,"body":"It's unbelievable."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":884.488,"endTime":886.568,"body":"You know, uh, I test a few things."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":886.568,"endTime":886.768,"body":"Thanks."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":886.963,"endTime":889.223,"body":"And if those few things"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":886.963,"endTime":889.223,"body":"work, I'm happy with it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":889.243,"endTime":890.783,"body":"And I think those are"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":889.243,"endTime":890.783,"body":"the types of scenarios."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":890.783,"endTime":895.113,"body":"I think upgrades, log analysis,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":890.783,"endTime":895.113,"body":"config file generation."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":895.433,"endTime":898.203,"body":"Those are like really good"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":895.433,"endTime":898.203,"body":"use cases for LLMs and like"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":898.533,"endTime":899.763,"body":"summaries and things like that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":900.163,"endTime":903.113,"body":"Even digging through release notes,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":900.163,"endTime":903.113,"body":"like tell me what's going on in this."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":903.113,"endTime":905.863,"body":"Like I built this image, just tell me"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":903.113,"endTime":905.863,"body":"the release notes that I care about."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":905.863,"endTime":906.753,"body":"I don't want to know about all of them."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":906.753,"endTime":907.913,"body":"I just want to know the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":906.753,"endTime":907.913,"body":"ones that apply here."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":908.213,"endTime":909.773,"body":"Those kinds of things,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":908.213,"endTime":909.773,"body":"I think they're amazing."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":912.606,"endTime":916.206,"body":"Hey Dev Interrupted listeners want to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":912.606,"endTime":916.206,"body":"know the secrets of high performing"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":916.236,"endTime":920.076,"body":"engineering teams, mark your calendars"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":916.236,"endTime":920.076,"body":"because LinearB is back with the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":920.076,"endTime":924.343,"body":"2025 engineering benchmarks report"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":920.076,"endTime":924.343,"body":"and they're hosting an exclusive"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":924.343,"endTime":926.533,"body":"webinar to unveil the latest insights."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":927.133,"endTime":928.423,"body":"This year's report is bigger."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":928.723,"endTime":932.353,"body":"And better than ever analyzing over"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":928.723,"endTime":932.353,"body":"6 million poll requests from three."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":932.353,"endTime":934.363,"body":"3000 organizations worldwide."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":934.843,"endTime":936.553,"body":"You'll get the latest benchmarks on Dora."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":936.553,"endTime":940.423,"body":"Dora metrics, poll requests,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":936.553,"endTime":940.423,"body":"workflows, and predictability critical."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":940.513,"endTime":943.753,"body":"Data to shape your 2025"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":940.513,"endTime":943.753,"body":"engineering strategies."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":944.293,"endTime":944.653,"body":"Join."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":944.653,"endTime":947.353,"body":"The round table discussion with"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":944.653,"endTime":947.353,"body":"industry leaders and be one of"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":947.353,"endTime":948.823,"body":"the first to dive deep into this."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":948.853,"endTime":952.617,"body":"A landmark report, plus just for"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":948.853,"endTime":952.617,"body":"registering, you'll receive a free."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":952.617,"endTime":956.817,"body":"Free pre-release copy of the 2025"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":952.617,"endTime":956.817,"body":"software engineering benchmarks."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":956.817,"endTime":957.477,"body":"Mark's report."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":957.786,"endTime":958.416,"body":"Don't miss out."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":958.476,"endTime":962.586,"body":"The webinar is later this month on"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":958.476,"endTime":962.586,"body":"November 20th, you can register today"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":962.646,"endTime":964.986,"body":"at LinearB dot IO or use the link in"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":964.986,"endTime":965.646,"body":"our show notes."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":966.606,"endTime":966.696,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":966.768,"endTime":970.578,"body":"we've danced around"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":966.768,"endTime":970.578,"body":"this broader topic of open source AI a"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":970.578,"endTime":974.298,"body":"little bit here, and I wanna drill down"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":970.578,"endTime":974.298,"body":"because this is a perspective we haven't"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":974.298,"endTime":976.098,"body":"talked about a ton on the podcast."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":976.588,"endTime":979.348,"body":"open source has obviously transformed"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":976.588,"endTime":979.348,"body":"software development through"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":979.348,"endTime":981.388,"body":"collaboration opportunities, transparency."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":981.778,"endTime":983.723,"body":"How do you see that model applying to ai?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":985.184,"endTime":987.154,"body":"this is something"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":985.184,"endTime":987.154,"body":"we've debated a lot over the last"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":987.154,"endTime":988.404,"body":"year, like at Red Hat, for example."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":988.484,"endTime":990.584,"body":"A bunch of smart people, there's"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":988.484,"endTime":990.584,"body":"always a brain trust of open"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":990.584,"endTime":992.274,"body":"source people, and they're always"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":990.584,"endTime":992.274,"body":"debating these things, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":993.024,"endTime":997.344,"body":"For example, we were at the DevConf Day"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":993.024,"endTime":997.344,"body":"Zero AI event that was on August 13th."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":997.593,"endTime":998.883,"body":"we haggled about this."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":998.883,"endTime":1000.943,"body":"We broke out into working"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":998.883,"endTime":1000.943,"body":"groups, and we talked about this."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1000.943,"endTime":1004.748,"body":"Like, like, at the end of the day,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1000.943,"endTime":1004.748,"body":"like, what are the Are the four"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1004.748,"endTime":1006.198,"body":"software freedoms like they matter?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1006.208,"endTime":1009.798,"body":"Like, so I would argue there's like sort"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1006.208,"endTime":1009.798,"body":"of a baseline open source necessity."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1009.818,"endTime":1011.068,"body":"Can I use it for anything I want?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1011.068,"endTime":1011.778,"body":"Can I modify it?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1011.778,"endTime":1012.378,"body":"Can I look at it?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1012.378,"endTime":1013.048,"body":"Can I inspect it?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1013.048,"endTime":1013.878,"body":"Can I redistribute it?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1013.918,"endTime":1014.778,"body":"That's pretty cool."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1015.338,"endTime":1017.788,"body":"That's kind of the bare"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1015.338,"endTime":1017.788,"body":"minimum for like open source."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1018.148,"endTime":1021.688,"body":"But then there's community driven"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1018.148,"endTime":1021.688,"body":"open source, which is different."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1021.698,"endTime":1024.658,"body":"Like Android is read only"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1021.698,"endTime":1024.658,"body":"open source, as I call it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1024.698,"endTime":1025.568,"body":"Like it's cool."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1025.968,"endTime":1027.438,"body":"Patches not really that welcome."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1027.468,"endTime":1028.708,"body":"Like we don't really need your patches."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1028.708,"endTime":1029.518,"body":"We're smarter than you."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1029.608,"endTime":1030.288,"body":"You can look at it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1030.288,"endTime":1032.218,"body":"You can use it for whatever you want,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1030.288,"endTime":1032.218,"body":"but we're still smarter than you."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1032.828,"endTime":1033.568,"body":"That's cool."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1033.598,"endTime":1034.628,"body":"Maybe they are smarter than me."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1034.668,"endTime":1035.108,"body":"I don't know."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1035.128,"endTime":1035.868,"body":"That's cool too."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1035.878,"endTime":1039.268,"body":"Like maybe that works for some things,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1035.878,"endTime":1039.268,"body":"but a lot of things that are amazing,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1039.298,"endTime":1045.868,"body":"like Kubernetes, the Linux kernel itself,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1039.298,"endTime":1045.868,"body":"you look at these like mega successful I"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1045.868,"endTime":1049.798,"body":"would say Kubernetes is a perfect example"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1045.868,"endTime":1049.798,"body":"of a modern thing that was created in"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1049.808,"endTime":1053.688,"body":"modern times with modern sensibilities"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1049.808,"endTime":1053.688,"body":"about community driven open source."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1053.938,"endTime":1057.358,"body":"And I think it's, I think it's a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1053.938,"endTime":1057.358,"body":"testament to like, humanity has"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1057.358,"endTime":1059.438,"body":"never created a project that well."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1059.728,"endTime":1062.548,"body":"Like, you talk about diversity and"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1059.728,"endTime":1062.548,"body":"inclusion, like that is the perfect"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1062.548,"endTime":1066.038,"body":"example of having a lot of diverse"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1062.548,"endTime":1066.038,"body":"opinions involved and all driving"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1066.038,"endTime":1067.018,"body":"it in a community driven way."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1067.248,"endTime":1070.688,"body":"With hundreds of vendors, you know,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1067.248,"endTime":1070.688,"body":"maybe thousands actually, and definitely"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1070.698,"endTime":1072.108,"body":"thousands of people all driving it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1072.118,"endTime":1072.418,"body":"Like."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1072.956,"endTime":1075.206,"body":"in my humble opinion,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1072.956,"endTime":1075.206,"body":"we have to get to that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1076.116,"endTime":1080.126,"body":"With something, with a, some kind, with"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1076.116,"endTime":1080.126,"body":"something in AI, foundation models, tools,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1080.246,"endTime":1084.086,"body":"not just something, a lot of things,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1080.246,"endTime":1084.086,"body":"like the tooling, you know, things like,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1084.106,"endTime":1088.556,"body":"uh, the things that we use to, you know,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1084.106,"endTime":1088.556,"body":"instruct lab, for example, at Red Hat,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1088.566,"endTime":1091.836,"body":"things like that, like all the tooling"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1088.566,"endTime":1091.836,"body":"for training, all the tooling for running"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1091.836,"endTime":1095.576,"body":"things, all the tooling for moving things"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1091.836,"endTime":1095.576,"body":"around, the actual models themselves."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1096.006,"endTime":1099.58,"body":"I think if we don't get that"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1096.006,"endTime":1099.58,"body":"it will be sad, honestly."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1099.81,"endTime":1102.24,"body":"And right now, one of the biggest"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1099.81,"endTime":1102.24,"body":"blockers to that, and this is the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1102.24,"endTime":1105.92,"body":"dirty secret that we all talk about at"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1102.24,"endTime":1105.92,"body":"conferences, is it's super expensive."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1106.026,"endTime":1109.436,"body":"if you go back to 1999, it was"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1106.026,"endTime":1109.436,"body":"really weird for a company to spend,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1109.576,"endTime":1113.006,"body":"call it a 50, 000 a year to pay"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1109.576,"endTime":1113.006,"body":"somebody to go work on free stuff."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1113.456,"endTime":1116.616,"body":"The CTO would be like, why am I"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1113.456,"endTime":1116.616,"body":"paying this person to go work on this"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1116.616,"endTime":1117.756,"body":"stuff that we get no value back from?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1117.766,"endTime":1118.036,"body":"Like, I don't know."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1118.336,"endTime":1119.436,"body":"You can download it now."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1119.476,"endTime":1119.766,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1120.011,"endTime":1121.771,"body":"So why are we paying 50, 000 to do it?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1121.771,"endTime":1124.401,"body":"You're like, wow, because if we contribute"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1121.771,"endTime":1124.401,"body":"to it, we can actually steer the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1124.401,"endTime":1125.841,"body":"direction of it and we get more value."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1126.846,"endTime":1128.096,"body":"I still don't know if I trust it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1128.536,"endTime":1129.836,"body":"And now I have 10 people working on it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1129.836,"endTime":1130.636,"body":"It's 500, 000."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1130.636,"endTime":1131.516,"body":"I have 20 people working on it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1131.516,"endTime":1132.536,"body":"It's a million dollars a year."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1132.936,"endTime":1138.886,"body":"That sounds pretty creepy to like"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1132.936,"endTime":1138.886,"body":"a CTO or even a CEO 20 years ago."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1139.076,"endTime":1140.236,"body":"Now that's totally normal."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1140.276,"endTime":1142.556,"body":"Like Microsoft has tons of"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1140.276,"endTime":1142.556,"body":"people working in open source."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1142.556,"endTime":1143.616,"body":"Red Hat has thousands."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1143.886,"endTime":1146.176,"body":"Uh, you know, all these big companies"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1143.886,"endTime":1146.176,"body":"have tons of people working in open"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1146.176,"endTime":1147.656,"body":"source and nobody questions it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1148.076,"endTime":1151.036,"body":"The question is on the hardware"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1148.076,"endTime":1151.036,"body":"side, like with GPUs, they're"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1151.036,"endTime":1152.316,"body":"immensely expensive right now."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1152.746,"endTime":1157.656,"body":"It feels really ridiculous to hand"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1152.746,"endTime":1157.656,"body":"over like a billion dollars of GPUs"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1157.686,"endTime":1160.956,"body":"to some foundation to use, at least"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1157.686,"endTime":1160.956,"body":"as of today, that sounds ridiculous."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1161.236,"endTime":1163.586,"body":"But the question is in 20 years,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1161.236,"endTime":1163.586,"body":"will that sound ridiculous?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1163.766,"endTime":1164.276,"body":"I don't know."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1164.576,"endTime":1167.066,"body":"Like I call me hopelessly optimistic."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1167.086,"endTime":1169.526,"body":"I think we'll figure out a way to either."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1169.681,"endTime":1174.581,"body":"Through the cloud or some kind of, you"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1169.681,"endTime":1174.581,"body":"know, non profit type structure, or who"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1174.581,"endTime":1178.121,"body":"knows what, there will be something that"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1174.581,"endTime":1178.121,"body":"we can share this infrastructure and build"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1178.121,"endTime":1179.671,"body":"these things in a community driven way."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1180.076,"endTime":1182.676,"body":"Well, I hate to say"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1180.076,"endTime":1182.676,"body":"it, but isn't that what OpenAI was"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1182.676,"endTime":1185.416,"body":"supposed to be doing before they decided"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1182.676,"endTime":1185.416,"body":"to go in the for profit direction?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1186.091,"endTime":1187.381,"body":"Yeah, yeah, remember that?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1187.571,"endTime":1189.651,"body":"Yeah, the original"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1187.571,"endTime":1189.651,"body":"premise is pretty awesome."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1189.701,"endTime":1192.781,"body":"Now it's like, oh, wait a minute, it's"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1189.701,"endTime":1192.781,"body":"going to go to AGI and we have to protect"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1192.781,"endTime":1196.181,"body":"ourselves, but that's a whole That"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1192.781,"endTime":1196.181,"body":"would get us into political territories."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1196.271,"endTime":1201.581,"body":"I am a, I'm a AI optimist with regard"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1196.271,"endTime":1201.581,"body":"to like LLMs, but I think it's a very"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1201.581,"endTime":1204.281,"body":"small step on the journey to AGI."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1204.291,"endTime":1206.781,"body":"I'm not, I'm not convinced"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1204.291,"endTime":1206.781,"body":"we're anywhere near AGI."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1207.096,"endTime":1210.076,"body":"I mean, I'm not"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1207.096,"endTime":1210.076,"body":"an AI researcher, so I don't want"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1210.076,"endTime":1213.136,"body":"to pretend like I have any sort of"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1210.076,"endTime":1213.136,"body":"expertise here, but I tend to agree."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1213.136,"endTime":1214.946,"body":"I think we're still"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1213.136,"endTime":1214.946,"body":"quite a ways away there."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1215.271,"endTime":1215.781,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1215.966,"endTime":1218.466,"body":"And there's a lot"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1215.966,"endTime":1218.466,"body":"of rabble rousing about it, and I"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1218.476,"endTime":1219.506,"body":"think some of it's fear mongering."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1219.961,"endTime":1223.361,"body":"I think some of it is"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1219.961,"endTime":1223.361,"body":"financial interests, like who's financial"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1223.361,"endTime":1226.751,"body":"interests and just look at their"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1223.361,"endTime":1226.751,"body":"financial interests and that will map"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1226.751,"endTime":1228.311,"body":"pretty well to their stories, you know?"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1229.291,"endTime":1232.761,"body":"So, alright, then,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1229.291,"endTime":1232.761,"body":"as we think about what open source"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1232.991,"endTime":1237.611,"body":"AI may look like, what are some key"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1232.991,"endTime":1237.611,"body":"things that you think interested"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1237.611,"endTime":1241.741,"body":"parties should be thinking about when"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1237.611,"endTime":1241.741,"body":"looking to evaluate AI projects or"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1241.741,"endTime":1244.471,"body":"platforms to ensure they actually"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1241.741,"endTime":1244.471,"body":"align with open source principles?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1244.921,"endTime":1247.881,"body":"yeah, I think obviously"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1244.921,"endTime":1247.881,"body":"once the definition of the OSI"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1247.901,"endTime":1249.151,"body":"model is done, that will help a lot."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1249.161,"endTime":1250.721,"body":"Cause then we'll have"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1249.161,"endTime":1250.721,"body":"an actual definition."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1250.722,"endTime":1250.776,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1251.086,"endTime":1253.616,"body":"That is kind of at least, at"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1251.086,"endTime":1253.616,"body":"least somewhat agreed upon."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1254.486,"endTime":1257.196,"body":"Although there's chicken"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1254.486,"endTime":1257.196,"body":"and zags everywhere."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1257.206,"endTime":1260.546,"body":"There's landmines everywhere here"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1257.206,"endTime":1260.546,"body":"because the entire world, let's"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1260.546,"endTime":1263.296,"body":"lay it in the context of the entire"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1260.546,"endTime":1263.296,"body":"world is perhaps even questioning"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1263.306,"endTime":1264.626,"body":"whether open source works anymore."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1264.916,"endTime":1267.996,"body":"And maybe that sounds alarmist,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1264.916,"endTime":1267.996,"body":"but if you look at all the license"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1267.996,"endTime":1271.336,"body":"changes that have happened from so"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1267.996,"endTime":1271.336,"body":"many companies in the last, what,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1271.346,"endTime":1274.436,"body":"two, three years, and then some of"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1271.346,"endTime":1274.436,"body":"them have flip flopped back and forth."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1274.456,"endTime":1277.226,"body":"I won't name any names, but there's,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1274.456,"endTime":1277.226,"body":"it's so much that's happened."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1277.226,"endTime":1278.286,"body":"It's actually confusing."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1278.336,"endTime":1280.336,"body":"Like it's hard to remember"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1278.336,"endTime":1280.336,"body":"all of the changes."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1280.806,"endTime":1284.04,"body":"So you put that in context, and"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1280.806,"endTime":1284.04,"body":"then you go, will the industry"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1284.04,"endTime":1285.84,"body":"accept what the OSI comes up with?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1285.89,"endTime":1288.82,"body":"I guess that's, that's my next question."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1288.87,"endTime":1291.14,"body":"Like, yeah, I'm a little"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1288.87,"endTime":1291.14,"body":"worried if I'm being honest."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1291.14,"endTime":1294.28,"body":"Like, I, like, do we still"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1291.14,"endTime":1294.28,"body":"believe in open source as a world?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1294.6,"endTime":1295.92,"body":"And did it really win?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1295.97,"endTime":1297.99,"body":"Like, there's another thing, like,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1295.97,"endTime":1297.99,"body":"everyone's like, oh, open source won."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1297.99,"endTime":1298.74,"body":"I'm like, did it?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1299.13,"endTime":1299.53,"body":"I don't know."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1299.54,"endTime":1300.72,"body":"Like, I'm still not sure."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1301.466,"endTime":1302.826,"body":"That's one of the things"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1301.466,"endTime":1302.826,"body":"I'm thinking about."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1303.181,"endTime":1304.031,"body":"I would be"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1303.181,"endTime":1304.031,"body":"really interested to hear"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1304.031,"endTime":1304.741,"body":"from our listeners on this."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1304.741,"endTime":1307.151,"body":"Honestly, I'm curious what"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1304.741,"endTime":1307.151,"body":"people's perspectives are on this."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1307.151,"endTime":1311.371,"body":"If you, if you listen to this"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1307.151,"endTime":1311.371,"body":"podcast, you know, shoot a message"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1311.371,"endTime":1315.091,"body":"to us on Substack or tweet at us"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1311.371,"endTime":1315.091,"body":"or reach out to us on LinkedIn."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1315.101,"endTime":1318.441,"body":"I'm sure Scott and I would love to hear"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1315.101,"endTime":1318.441,"body":"the perspectives here because this feels"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1318.441,"endTime":1320.031,"body":"like a really evolving conversation."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1320.151,"endTime":1322.691,"body":"And honestly, this episode, We'll"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1320.151,"endTime":1322.691,"body":"probably take a few weeks to come out."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1322.691,"endTime":1325.761,"body":"So it may, we may have an OSI"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1322.691,"endTime":1325.761,"body":"definition by the time it does."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1325.761,"endTime":1328.548,"body":"but, uh, it's going to be fascinating"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1325.761,"endTime":1328.548,"body":"to see what this evolves to."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1329.228,"endTime":1334.208,"body":"And I know that you have kind of had this"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1329.228,"endTime":1334.208,"body":"perspective that maybe AI development"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1334.238,"endTime":1335.938,"body":"needs to follow this open source path."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1336.463,"endTime":1340.513,"body":"Not just for kind of the good"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1336.463,"endTime":1340.513,"body":"of the community, but also"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1340.843,"endTime":1343.063,"body":"for trust and profitability."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1343.543,"endTime":1346.173,"body":"Could you unpack that a bit,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1343.543,"endTime":1346.173,"body":"particularly on the profitability"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1346.173,"endTime":1349.393,"body":"side, because that is obviously"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1346.173,"endTime":1349.393,"body":"something that everyone's talking"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1349.393,"endTime":1350.903,"body":"about now is how to make AI profitable."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1351.473,"endTime":1353.683,"body":"Yeah, and there's a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1351.473,"endTime":1353.683,"body":"perfect example of like, how many"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1353.693,"endTime":1355.573,"body":"kuberneteses do you need, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1355.573,"endTime":1359.253,"body":"Like, sadly, I'll use"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1355.573,"endTime":1359.253,"body":"kubernetes as an example again."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1359.253,"endTime":1361.243,"body":"You rolled a clock back to 2017."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1361.633,"endTime":1364.843,"body":"I would talk to all kinds of"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1361.633,"endTime":1364.843,"body":"people at conferences and I was"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1364.993,"endTime":1366.243,"body":"deep in the container space."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1366.653,"endTime":1369.063,"body":"And, uh, people would be"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1366.653,"endTime":1369.063,"body":"like, oh, I don't know."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1369.063,"endTime":1370.133,"body":"There's all these other things."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1370.133,"endTime":1371.193,"body":"I think they might work too."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1371.193,"endTime":1374.363,"body":"And I was like, I mean, it was so"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1371.193,"endTime":1374.363,"body":"painfully obvious that Kubernetes was"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1374.373,"endTime":1375.433,"body":"light years ahead of everybody else."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1375.633,"endTime":1378.503,"body":"You just looked at the amount of"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1375.633,"endTime":1378.503,"body":"contribution that was happening"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1378.503,"endTime":1381.573,"body":"across so many different companies"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1378.503,"endTime":1381.573,"body":"and so many different contributors."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1381.583,"endTime":1385.953,"body":"I was like, this is like watching"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1381.583,"endTime":1385.953,"body":"an N, you know, N squared algorithm"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1385.953,"endTime":1387.603,"body":"versus like an N log N algorithm."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1387.603,"endTime":1388.993,"body":"And I can see where this goes, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1388.993,"endTime":1391.253,"body":"Like in over 10 years, this just crushes."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1391.253,"endTime":1393.093,"body":"It's not even in the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1391.253,"endTime":1393.093,"body":"same order of magnitude."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1393.573,"endTime":1398.093,"body":"I think you have to ask yourself, like,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1393.573,"endTime":1398.093,"body":"will something like that occur where, for"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1398.093,"endTime":1402.783,"body":"example, Llama3, you know, Mark Zuckerberg"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1398.093,"endTime":1402.783,"body":"wants it, his AI thing, I haven't watched"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1402.783,"endTime":1405.853,"body":"the whole interview yet, but like, I"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1402.783,"endTime":1405.853,"body":"get the gist of where he's coming from."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1406.523,"endTime":1409.613,"body":"I'll take them at their word and say, I"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1406.523,"endTime":1409.613,"body":"think they probably want to do this, I"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1409.613,"endTime":1411.313,"body":"think they probably don't know how to yet."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1411.613,"endTime":1414.833,"body":"Again, like, all the hardware, what"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1411.613,"endTime":1414.833,"body":"do we do with the GPUs, how do we let"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1414.833,"endTime":1417.953,"body":"people access them, do we want randos,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1414.833,"endTime":1417.953,"body":"like, coming in off the internet and"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1417.953,"endTime":1420.143,"body":"like, changing the model on our hardware?"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1420.203,"endTime":1422.193,"body":"You want to talk about"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1420.203,"endTime":1422.193,"body":"security risks we brought up earlier?"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1422.193,"endTime":1422.553,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1422.728,"endTime":1423.818,"body":"Yeah, that's scary."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1423.828,"endTime":1427.868,"body":"So like, so like, will we resolve"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1423.828,"endTime":1427.868,"body":"those in the next three to five years?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1427.888,"endTime":1428.508,"body":"I don't know."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1428.508,"endTime":1429.428,"body":"Like, I'm optimistic."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1429.428,"endTime":1433.118,"body":"Like, I got a little paranoid there, but I"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1429.428,"endTime":1433.118,"body":"actually am optimistic that we will figure"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1433.118,"endTime":1437.708,"body":"this out and there will probably end up"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1433.118,"endTime":1437.708,"body":"being, will there be one big dominant open"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1437.708,"endTime":1440.453,"body":"source, you know, Kick ass model, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1440.453,"endTime":1443.163,"body":"That we're all like, yeah, this"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1440.453,"endTime":1443.163,"body":"is the one and now can we get"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1443.163,"endTime":1444.873,"body":"behind it and community driven?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1445.163,"endTime":1450.043,"body":"Modify it and that's like that's basically"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1445.163,"endTime":1450.043,"body":"what I think Red Hat did with InstructLab."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1450.043,"endTime":1454.693,"body":"I think it's interesting you can do a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1450.043,"endTime":1454.693,"body":"dialogue based training and refine it"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1454.753,"endTime":1459.473,"body":"and commit anybody can commit to it and"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1454.753,"endTime":1459.473,"body":"change the model and it's all tracked"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1459.473,"endTime":1463.528,"body":"right like That I think is the importance"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1459.473,"endTime":1463.528,"body":"of like seeing, even if that's not the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1463.538,"endTime":1467.228,"body":"one that ends up becoming a dominant model"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1463.538,"endTime":1467.228,"body":"that rules the world or something, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1467.228,"endTime":1468.498,"body":"Like, I don't think"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1467.228,"endTime":1468.498,"body":"that's the important part."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1468.748,"endTime":1471.228,"body":"I think the important part is that"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1468.748,"endTime":1471.228,"body":"it might be as a smaller model that"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1471.228,"endTime":1474.858,"body":"shows how it could work, how the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1471.228,"endTime":1474.858,"body":"humans could interact to like drive it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1475.068,"endTime":1476.578,"body":"So like, how do we do security?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1476.578,"endTime":1478.218,"body":"How do we do AI safety?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1478.543,"endTime":1481.993,"body":"But like, if we're gonna like, scan"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1478.543,"endTime":1481.993,"body":"the data and take out certain words"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1481.993,"endTime":1484.213,"body":"to bias the model, okay, that's fine."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1484.433,"endTime":1486.113,"body":"But like, put it in the Git logs, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1486.113,"endTime":1487.333,"body":"Like, I want to see that in Git."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1487.623,"endTime":1491.893,"body":"And then I want to see the arguments that"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1487.623,"endTime":1491.893,"body":"happen in public, like Wikipedia, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1491.893,"endTime":1492.943,"body":"I want to see the history."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1493.193,"endTime":1494.653,"body":"And I want to be able"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1493.193,"endTime":1494.653,"body":"to log in and see that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1494.663,"endTime":1496.993,"body":"That, to me, is what I"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1494.663,"endTime":1496.993,"body":"think will build the trust."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1496.993,"endTime":1497.543,"body":"Right now."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1497.968,"endTime":1500.598,"body":"All of that work is happening, but"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1497.968,"endTime":1500.598,"body":"it's happening behind closed doors"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1500.598,"endTime":1502.308,"body":"in four or five big organizations."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1502.798,"endTime":1505.638,"body":"And, you know, they're worried about"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1502.798,"endTime":1505.638,"body":"getting to profitability right now."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1505.928,"endTime":1510.198,"body":"And so the question is, is like, Who's"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1505.928,"endTime":1510.198,"body":"on track to make money from all this?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1510.268,"endTime":1511.448,"body":"I, you know, is the big question."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1512.028,"endTime":1515.398,"body":"I see a clear path for the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1512.028,"endTime":1515.398,"body":"Fortune 500s to simplify things"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1515.398,"endTime":1516.518,"body":"and make people's lives better."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1516.828,"endTime":1521.853,"body":"But I'm not sure that I see the path to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1516.828,"endTime":1521.853,"body":"make money off of a big You know, open"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1521.853,"endTime":1526.823,"body":"source, large language model, unless it's"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1521.853,"endTime":1526.823,"body":"somehow distributed and everybody drives,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1526.843,"endTime":1529.263,"body":"you know, like in a clean way where"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1526.843,"endTime":1529.263,"body":"it's like, okay, I'll come to you to use"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1529.263,"endTime":1532.893,"body":"your GPO is cool, but the model is like,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1529.263,"endTime":1532.893,"body":"I can take an anywhere I want, right?"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1533.343,"endTime":1533.583,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1533.653,"endTime":1537.993,"body":"It would be great to see, let's say Meta"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1533.653,"endTime":1537.993,"body":"and Microsoft contribute some percentage"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1537.993,"endTime":1541.383,"body":"of GPU power towards an open source model."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1541.483,"endTime":1544.133,"body":"And I think there's an opportunity"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1541.483,"endTime":1544.133,"body":"for something like that."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1544.483,"endTime":1548.913,"body":"Given that, I mean, this is kind of"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1544.483,"endTime":1548.913,"body":"a race to the bottom in some extent,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1548.933,"endTime":1550.203,"body":"like there's only going to be."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1550.643,"endTime":1555.733,"body":"Or at least it seems that the kind"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1550.643,"endTime":1555.733,"body":"of top AI forward capital intensive,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1555.893,"endTime":1558.293,"body":"uh, GPU pushing companies think"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1555.893,"endTime":1558.293,"body":"there's only gonna be one or two"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1558.293,"endTime":1561.903,"body":"winners here and that there's a"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1558.293,"endTime":1561.903,"body":"potential monopolistic model coming."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1562.363,"endTime":1567.003,"body":"So if we were able to sidestep that, it"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1562.363,"endTime":1567.003,"body":"would certainly save folks a lot of money."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1567.343,"endTime":1570.283,"body":"Uh, but the financial incentive is"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1567.343,"endTime":1570.283,"body":"so high for those major companies"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1570.313,"endTime":1572.193,"body":"where they're like, Hey, we think"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1570.313,"endTime":1572.193,"body":"we could be the big winner here."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1572.413,"endTime":1574.333,"body":"We think we'd get them all in"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1572.413,"endTime":1574.333,"body":"Azure, or we think we could all get"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1574.333,"endTime":1577.193,"body":"them in AWS, or we think we could"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1574.333,"endTime":1577.193,"body":"get them all in the Oracle cloud."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1577.313,"endTime":1578.793,"body":"Uh, and."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1579.383,"endTime":1581.253,"body":"It's going to be tough"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1579.383,"endTime":1581.253,"body":"to make that transition."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1581.253,"endTime":1585.323,"body":"So I hope that something occurs here and"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1581.253,"endTime":1585.323,"body":"I'm glad we're having these conversations."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1585.623,"endTime":1588.383,"body":"I also want to briefly mention since"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1585.623,"endTime":1588.383,"body":"we keep on talking about Kubernetes,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1588.693,"endTime":1591.123,"body":"if you want to dive more into open"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1588.693,"endTime":1591.123,"body":"source and Kubernetes, we actually"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1591.143,"endTime":1594.623,"body":"interviewed Kubernetes co founder, Brendan"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1591.143,"endTime":1594.623,"body":"Burns on the podcast here way back in"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1594.623,"endTime":1596.593,"body":"September, 2021, it's a great episode."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1596.613,"endTime":1599.133,"body":"Anyone listening, if you want to go more"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1596.613,"endTime":1599.133,"body":"in the open source, check that one out."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1599.193,"endTime":1599.913,"body":"I think you'd enjoy it."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1600.693,"endTime":1606.833,"body":"Let's talk a bit more about how you're"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1600.693,"endTime":1606.833,"body":"seeing AI change different communities,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1606.843,"endTime":1608.423,"body":"different, Industries right now."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1608.433,"endTime":1611.053,"body":"So we're obviously seeing it"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1608.433,"endTime":1611.053,"body":"affect a lot of industries."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1611.053,"endTime":1613.773,"body":"It's throughout software"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1611.053,"endTime":1613.773,"body":"development, engineering, and we're"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1613.773,"endTime":1616.633,"body":"starting to see some practical"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1613.773,"endTime":1616.633,"body":"applications of AI and DevOps."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1616.963,"endTime":1619.613,"body":"What use cases are you seeing,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1616.963,"endTime":1619.613,"body":"Scott, that are driving AI"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1619.763,"endTime":1621.403,"body":"adoption within software teams?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1622.243,"endTime":1623.353,"body":"This is an interesting one."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1623.633,"endTime":1626.473,"body":"I should tie a bow on the last"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1623.633,"endTime":1626.473,"body":"concept, just a hair before we move on."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1626.713,"endTime":1628.683,"body":"I realized that I didn't"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1626.713,"endTime":1628.683,"body":"quite tightly connect."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1628.683,"endTime":1629.353,"body":"So like, you're right."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1629.353,"endTime":1630.023,"body":"I think there is."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1630.218,"endTime":1633.318,"body":"I think all software sort of has"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1630.218,"endTime":1633.318,"body":"a monopolistic tendency, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1633.318,"endTime":1634.898,"body":"There's like Oracle Giant Database."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1634.898,"endTime":1637.708,"body":"There's Kubernetes One"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1634.898,"endTime":1637.708,"body":"Container Orchestration."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1637.718,"endTime":1639.778,"body":"What large language model will win that?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1640.198,"endTime":1643.378,"body":"In a perfect world, I'd like to see"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1640.198,"endTime":1643.378,"body":"the open source thing become the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1643.378,"endTime":1645.228,"body":"de facto standard in the AI space."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1645.228,"endTime":1646.778,"body":"That's basically what I"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1645.228,"endTime":1646.778,"body":"was trying to tie together."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1647.038,"endTime":1648.578,"body":"Kubernetes and the AI thing, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1648.578,"endTime":1653.783,"body":"Like we've seen so many times where"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1648.578,"endTime":1653.783,"body":"the If it's an open source monopoly,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1653.853,"endTime":1656.363,"body":"that's a lot better because it's"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1653.853,"endTime":1656.363,"body":"not a monopoly actually, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1656.363,"endTime":1659.653,"body":"Like anybody could just get"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1656.363,"endTime":1659.653,"body":"involved, but one technology does"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1659.653,"endTime":1663.853,"body":"become dominant and that seems to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1659.653,"endTime":1663.853,"body":"be pretty common, like in general."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1663.883,"endTime":1664.813,"body":"So that's what I was getting at."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1665.073,"endTime":1666.453,"body":"And there are"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1665.073,"endTime":1666.453,"body":"still secondary opportunities"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1666.463,"endTime":1667.313,"body":"to make money to your point."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1667.323,"endTime":1669.803,"body":"Like, let's say even with something"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1667.323,"endTime":1669.803,"body":"like Android, where it's like, okay,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1669.863,"endTime":1671.583,"body":"sure, like Google really runs that."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1671.583,"endTime":1672.078,"body":"Like."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1672.258,"endTime":1674.268,"body":"There are so many opportunities"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1672.258,"endTime":1674.268,"body":"for Android developers to make"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1674.268,"endTime":1675.708,"body":"money as a secondary off of that."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1675.708,"endTime":1679.788,"body":"So it's not going to erase the economic"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1675.708,"endTime":1679.788,"body":"opportunity, but it's in fact going to"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1679.788,"endTime":1684.498,"body":"make so many smaller companies, smaller"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1679.788,"endTime":1684.498,"body":"teams have an opportunity to make money."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1684.953,"endTime":1685.333,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1685.383,"endTime":1687.573,"body":"And, and then that pivots"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1685.383,"endTime":1687.573,"body":"into what you're asking."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1687.573,"endTime":1688.503,"body":"So what use cases?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1688.513,"endTime":1689.223,"body":"So I think."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1689.783,"endTime":1692.763,"body":"I have been developing, you know,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1689.783,"endTime":1692.763,"body":"I'm a product manager, so I have been"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1692.993,"endTime":1698.323,"body":"reading all kinds of interesting, you"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1692.993,"endTime":1698.323,"body":"know, analysts and strategery and, uh,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1698.513,"endTime":1701.733,"body":"Benedict Evans and a bunch of these"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1698.513,"endTime":1701.733,"body":"guys that I, I think are pretty super,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1701.823,"endTime":1703.073,"body":"you know, they're, they're super smart."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1703.083,"endTime":1704.143,"body":"You can tell the way they analyze it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1704.553,"endTime":1707.813,"body":"I would say I have started to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1704.553,"endTime":1707.813,"body":"adopt Benedict Evans philosophy of"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1707.813,"endTime":1709.923,"body":"like chatbots are not good enough."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1709.993,"endTime":1711.603,"body":"A chatbot is not a product."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1711.983,"endTime":1713.773,"body":"A chatbot is like a, I don't know."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1713.773,"endTime":1714.613,"body":"It's like a demo."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1714.663,"endTime":1717.593,"body":"You're like, Oh, that's pretty"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1714.663,"endTime":1717.593,"body":"cool, but it's not a product."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1717.603,"endTime":1720.183,"body":"Like I don't want a chatbot"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1717.603,"endTime":1720.183,"body":"in my operating system."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1720.213,"endTime":1726.743,"body":"Like I want, I want to type reformat"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1720.213,"endTime":1726.743,"body":"my drive to two gigabytes or whatever."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1726.743,"endTime":1727.443,"body":"And then it just like."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1727.683,"endTime":1729.923,"body":"Builds the command for me"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1727.683,"endTime":1729.923,"body":"and shows me, that's cool."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1730.283,"endTime":1733.793,"body":"Or maybe it suggests, you know, oh"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1730.283,"endTime":1733.793,"body":"wait, did you really mean dash H?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1733.793,"endTime":1737.403,"body":"That'll delete your whole, you know, dash"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1733.793,"endTime":1737.403,"body":"capital H, it'll delete your whole drive."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1737.403,"endTime":1739.073,"body":"Like, oh wait a minute,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1737.403,"endTime":1739.073,"body":"that's kind of cool."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1739.083,"endTime":1742.583,"body":"Like, I want that kind of stuff, but I"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1739.083,"endTime":1742.583,"body":"don't want to like, chat back and forth."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1742.623,"endTime":1744.253,"body":"Like, with a chatbot necessarily."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1744.563,"endTime":1745.043,"body":"For everything."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1745.043,"endTime":1746.923,"body":"I don't want to go to a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1745.043,"endTime":1746.923,"body":"website and there's a chatbot."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1746.993,"endTime":1748.853,"body":"Like, I just, I don't really want that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1749.303,"endTime":1753.033,"body":"So, so I guess the question is like, what"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1749.303,"endTime":1753.033,"body":"is a product, what are the use cases,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1753.033,"endTime":1755.223,"body":"and can we wrap them up in beautiful UX?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1755.453,"endTime":1756.863,"body":"And I think the answer is yes."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1756.933,"endTime":1760.403,"body":"Like, I see use cases, like I"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1756.933,"endTime":1760.403,"body":"mentioned, with like release notes."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1760.713,"endTime":1763.163,"body":"We're working on a feature actually"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1760.713,"endTime":1763.163,"body":"called digital release notes"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1763.163,"endTime":1765.793,"body":"that I've been talking about,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1763.163,"endTime":1765.793,"body":"uh, when I give the RHEL roadmap."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1765.793,"endTime":1769.635,"body":"I gave it, uh, Um, where like, for"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1765.793,"endTime":1769.635,"body":"example, if you build an image in"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1769.635,"endTime":1772.365,"body":"ImageBuilder, we have this tool called"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1769.635,"endTime":1772.365,"body":"ImageBuilder, you log into console."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1772.785,"endTime":1772.895,"body":"redhat."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1772.895,"endTime":1776.925,"body":"com, you build an image, Linux image,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1772.895,"endTime":1776.925,"body":"it's RHEL, uh, Red Hat Enterprise"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1776.925,"endTime":1781.305,"body":"Linux, and then it says, show me, like,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1776.925,"endTime":1781.305,"body":"what does the life cycle on all these"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1781.305,"endTime":1782.755,"body":"bits look like going into the future?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1782.755,"endTime":1784.825,"body":"Like, how long are each"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1782.755,"endTime":1784.825,"body":"of the bits supported?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1784.825,"endTime":1788.555,"body":"So like, there's 300 packages here, but"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1784.825,"endTime":1788.555,"body":"show me lines running out of like, This"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1788.555,"endTime":1790.385,"body":"chunk of packages goes out 10 years."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1790.385,"endTime":1791.915,"body":"This chunk of packages go out three years."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1792.135,"endTime":1794.425,"body":"Oh, by the way, here's all the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1792.135,"endTime":1794.425,"body":"release notes for up to this point."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1794.425,"endTime":1797.645,"body":"So like, can we show you"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1794.425,"endTime":1797.645,"body":"historic data and future data?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1798.13,"endTime":1800.24,"body":"That's a good use of an LLM, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1800.24,"endTime":1803.38,"body":"Like it's basically summarizing"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1800.24,"endTime":1803.38,"body":"data we already have, but"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1803.38,"endTime":1804.94,"body":"summarizing it in a unique way."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1804.96,"endTime":1808.11,"body":"And that could be artifacts like"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1804.96,"endTime":1808.11,"body":"drawings, but it could also be"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1808.11,"endTime":1809.56,"body":"like release notes like text."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1809.81,"endTime":1812.27,"body":"And I think those are the kinds"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1809.81,"endTime":1812.27,"body":"of use cases I'm looking for."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1812.27,"endTime":1814.08,"body":"Like, I don't want to tell"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1812.27,"endTime":1814.08,"body":"a chat bot to do that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1814.26,"endTime":1815.36,"body":"I don't want to have to come up with that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1815.38,"endTime":1815.92,"body":"I want."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1816.1,"endTime":1818.29,"body":"You to come up with that and"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1816.1,"endTime":1818.29,"body":"then show me how to do it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1818.3,"endTime":1820.08,"body":"Like basically is what I want with AI."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1820.48,"endTime":1821.33,"body":"I'll give you another example."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1821.33,"endTime":1824.66,"body":"That's kind of a little bit off, but"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1821.33,"endTime":1824.66,"body":"like I had to return an anchor battery."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1824.69,"endTime":1828.16,"body":"Like I love anchor stuff and I travel"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1824.69,"endTime":1828.16,"body":"a lot and I have this awesome battery"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1828.16,"endTime":1831.625,"body":"that has like a, uh, It has like a,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1828.16,"endTime":1831.625,"body":"you know, it'll show you how many watts"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1831.625,"endTime":1832.815,"body":"are in and out when you're charging it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1833.415,"endTime":1834.775,"body":"I, it, it started to fail."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1834.805,"endTime":1836.035,"body":"I, I emailed them."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1836.495,"endTime":1837.425,"body":"They responded."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1837.485,"endTime":1838.615,"body":"It asked me a bunch of questions."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1838.625,"endTime":1840.965,"body":"I was annoyed because it was a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1838.625,"endTime":1840.965,"body":"typical, have you turned it on and"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1840.975,"endTime":1843.595,"body":"off questions that we all are familiar"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1840.975,"endTime":1843.595,"body":"with and you're like, I'm a tech guy."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1843.595,"endTime":1844.615,"body":"I know what I'm supposed to be doing here."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1844.615,"endTime":1845.955,"body":"Like just return this thing."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1846.225,"endTime":1848.695,"body":"And I went back and forth and at the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1846.225,"endTime":1848.695,"body":"very end it said, oh, by the way,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1848.695,"endTime":1850.045,"body":"you've been interacting with an LLM."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1850.545,"endTime":1853.575,"body":"Uh, and, uh, and we've authorized the RMA."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1853.605,"endTime":1856.83,"body":"A human being had authorized the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1853.605,"endTime":1856.83,"body":"RMA based on the, Conversation that"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1856.83,"endTime":1858.5,"body":"had happened between me and the LLM."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1859.05,"endTime":1860.58,"body":"That was pretty cool."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1860.6,"endTime":1864.23,"body":"I was like, okay, that's pretty"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1860.6,"endTime":1864.23,"body":"cool Like it's not a chat bot."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1864.27,"endTime":1867.9,"body":"It was just emailing customer service"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1864.27,"endTime":1867.9,"body":"It's obviously kind of lame in a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1867.9,"endTime":1870.78,"body":"certain way but it's kind of amazing"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1867.9,"endTime":1870.78,"body":"at the same time right like that a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1870.79,"endTime":1873.84,"body":"human being is now like bionic and they"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1870.79,"endTime":1873.84,"body":"could just look at a bunch of chats"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1873.84,"endTime":1875.86,"body":"between people like Yes, RMA that one."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1875.86,"endTime":1876.85,"body":"Yes, RMA that one."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1876.85,"endTime":1879.14,"body":"Don't RMA that one That's a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1876.85,"endTime":1879.14,"body":"scam somebody trying to rip us"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1879.14,"endTime":1881.65,"body":"off You know like whatever that"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1879.14,"endTime":1881.65,"body":"I don't know what their lives"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1881.665,"endTime":1882.365,"body":"a lot of time."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1882.6,"endTime":1884.78,"body":"Saves a lot of time,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1882.6,"endTime":1884.78,"body":"and I think there's a lot of those"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1884.78,"endTime":1886.32,"body":"that we can find in the DevOps space."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1886.36,"endTime":1890.22,"body":"I think there's a lot, as I mentioned with"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1886.36,"endTime":1890.22,"body":"log analysis, you know, PCI compliance."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1890.4,"endTime":1891.62,"body":"Are you looking at the logs?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1891.66,"endTime":1892.52,"body":"What does that even mean?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1892.69,"endTime":1893.18,"body":"I don't know."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1893.4,"endTime":1895.05,"body":"How much confidence do you ever have?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1895.1,"endTime":1897.28,"body":"Like, I remember some of"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1895.1,"endTime":1897.28,"body":"the early PCI requirements."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1897.63,"endTime":1900.16,"body":"payment card industry requirements"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1897.63,"endTime":1900.16,"body":"for those that might not remember."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1900.16,"endTime":1901.34,"body":"But like I live through PCI 1."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1901.34,"endTime":1902.4,"body":"0."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1902.74,"endTime":1904.91,"body":"Uh, I worked in American"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1902.74,"endTime":1904.91,"body":"greetings and it was brutal."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1905.2,"endTime":1908.56,"body":"And, uh, you know, they were, they were"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1905.2,"endTime":1908.56,"body":"like, we were generating like at the time,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1908.56,"endTime":1910.75,"body":"which we thought was really big, like 1."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1910.75,"endTime":1912.35,"body":"5 million lines of logs a day."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1912.68,"endTime":1914.84,"body":"And that that's tiny in modern day world."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1914.84,"endTime":1915.92,"body":"But then that was huge."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1915.92,"endTime":1918.38,"body":"We were like, we don't know, what are"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1915.92,"endTime":1918.38,"body":"we going to have a human being read 1."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1918.38,"endTime":1922.03,"body":"5 million lines of logs a day and"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1918.38,"endTime":1922.03,"body":"then say, yeah, we, we read them."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1922.05,"endTime":1923.27,"body":"Like that doesn't even make any sense."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1923.27,"endTime":1923.46,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1923.46,"endTime":1925.39,"body":"So I came up with this"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1923.46,"endTime":1925.39,"body":"log analysis program."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1925.765,"endTime":1927.485,"body":"That would like combine a bunch of them."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1927.915,"endTime":1930.745,"body":"Like if there were numbers, it would"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1927.915,"endTime":1930.745,"body":"squash them into a number sign and if"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1930.745,"endTime":1934.235,"body":"there were certain MAC addresses, it"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1930.745,"endTime":1934.235,"body":"would just say MAC address, you know,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1934.235,"endTime":1936.635,"body":"like in square brackets and it would"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1934.235,"endTime":1936.635,"body":"like combine them and it would show"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1936.635,"endTime":1939.645,"body":"how many of each and I've turned 1."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1939.645,"endTime":1942.905,"body":"5 million lines of unique lines of"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1939.645,"endTime":1942.905,"body":"logs a day down to like 17 that you"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1942.905,"endTime":1944.265,"body":"could just like scan each morning."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1944.59,"endTime":1946.58,"body":"And then we were like, all right,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1944.59,"endTime":1946.58,"body":"we're reading all the logs."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1946.62,"endTime":1947.44,"body":"Like, I don't know."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1947.48,"endTime":1948.84,"body":"Is that, does that count?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1948.87,"endTime":1949.66,"body":"I think it counts."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1950.01,"endTime":1952.39,"body":"Will AI help us do things"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1950.01,"endTime":1952.39,"body":"like that in the DevOps space?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1952.41,"endTime":1953.1,"body":"I think so."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1953.12,"endTime":1955.27,"body":"Like, I think we'll have to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1953.12,"endTime":1955.27,"body":"take a summary of the logs."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1955.32,"endTime":1956.8,"body":"Like I read the summary good enough."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1956.85,"endTime":1957.29,"body":"I don't know."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1957.3,"endTime":1959.95,"body":"Like it's indirect, but how"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1957.3,"endTime":1959.95,"body":"the hell am I going to read 2"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1959.95,"endTime":1961.38,"body":"trillion lines of logs a month?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1961.38,"endTime":1963.06,"body":"You know, like there's no way"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1961.38,"endTime":1963.06,"body":"that's going to happen, right?"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1963.805,"endTime":1965.645,"body":"I think there are some"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1963.805,"endTime":1965.645,"body":"obvious use cases we're seeing too,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1965.645,"endTime":1967.795,"body":"like testing, documentation management."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1967.815,"endTime":1969.695,"body":"There's quite a few of these that"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1967.815,"endTime":1969.695,"body":"people are already leveraging"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1969.695,"endTime":1971.115,"body":"in this on pretty extensively."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1971.15,"endTime":1971.61,"body":"For sure."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1971.61,"endTime":1974.52,"body":"You take the release notes, you summarize"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1971.61,"endTime":1974.52,"body":"them, turn them into real documentation."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1974.56,"endTime":1975.33,"body":"That's amazing."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1975.35,"endTime":1977.65,"body":"Like there's some really"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":1975.35,"endTime":1977.65,"body":"good use cases with that."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1978.265,"endTime":1980.615,"body":"yeah, I think we're"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1978.265,"endTime":1980.615,"body":"also seeing like opportunities around"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1980.615,"endTime":1981.795,"body":"migrations, that kind of thing."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1981.795,"endTime":1985.235,"body":"Like I know Amazon and I keep referencing"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1981.795,"endTime":1985.235,"body":"them, but they've, they've done the"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1985.235,"endTime":1987.975,"body":"biggest, uh, press push on this."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1987.975,"endTime":1990.525,"body":"I'll say is they're talking about how"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1987.975,"endTime":1990.525,"body":"their, their internal generative AI"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1990.525,"endTime":1995.755,"body":"tool for devs is saving 4, 500 years"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1990.525,"endTime":1995.755,"body":"of work and 260 million annually."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1996.135,"endTime":2001.165,"body":"Uh, by, what was it, updating from"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":1996.135,"endTime":2001.165,"body":"like Java 7 and 8 or 8 and 11, uh,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2001.175,"endTime":2004.615,"body":"to Java 17, which is, you know,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2001.175,"endTime":2004.615,"body":"tedious work people don't really"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2004.615,"endTime":2005.885,"body":"want to spend time on typically."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2006.235,"endTime":2010.075,"body":"Um, and I, I honestly do believe"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2006.235,"endTime":2010.075,"body":"a lot of that is being impactful."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2010.085,"endTime":2012.435,"body":"Like that is, that is where there"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2010.085,"endTime":2012.435,"body":"are big opportunities when we"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2012.435,"endTime":2016.155,"body":"say, Oh, like we have built an"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2012.435,"endTime":2016.155,"body":"authoritative update language here."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2016.155,"endTime":2017.635,"body":"Like we just have to get"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2016.155,"endTime":2017.635,"body":"it to the next level."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2017.705,"endTime":2019.325,"body":"Um, and that does seem"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2017.705,"endTime":2019.325,"body":"like an opportunity."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2019.68,"endTime":2020.37,"body":"Yeah, I agree."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2020.41,"endTime":2022.88,"body":"And I would break it down"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2020.41,"endTime":2022.88,"body":"into like day zero use cases."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2022.88,"endTime":2025.15,"body":"Like we're excited about the sexy"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2022.88,"endTime":2025.15,"body":"new apps that we're creating."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2025.15,"endTime":2025.55,"body":"Fine."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2026.01,"endTime":2026.82,"body":"There's this debate."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2026.84,"endTime":2028.24,"body":"Is it going to get rid of developers?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2028.38,"endTime":2029.73,"body":"I'm very skeptical."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2029.73,"endTime":2031.71,"body":"Like the world is not done with software."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2031.71,"endTime":2032.57,"body":"We still have a hunger."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2032.57,"endTime":2035.14,"body":"That's like our eyes are way bigger"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2032.57,"endTime":2035.14,"body":"than our stomach with software still."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2035.14,"endTime":2037.785,"body":"So I think We're going to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2035.14,"endTime":2037.785,"body":"generate tons more software."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2038.195,"endTime":2039.065,"body":"I don't buy it on that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2039.065,"endTime":2041.055,"body":"I think it's a good use case"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2039.065,"endTime":2041.055,"body":"for new software development."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2041.085,"endTime":2044.965,"body":"But actually, I am always like,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2041.085,"endTime":2044.965,"body":"I have a maintainer mindset."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2044.965,"endTime":2048.025,"body":"I always think about all the stuff that's"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2044.965,"endTime":2048.025,"body":"day two and how much do we maintain."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2048.415,"endTime":2051.245,"body":"I'll give you some forces that I don't"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2048.415,"endTime":2051.245,"body":"think people are paying attention to."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2051.995,"endTime":2054.635,"body":"Are CVE patching requirements"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2051.995,"endTime":2054.635,"body":"going up or down?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2055.215,"endTime":2057.055,"body":"They are going massively up."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2057.375,"endTime":2061.395,"body":"The Linux kernel just became a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2057.375,"endTime":2061.395,"body":"CVE agency, naming agency, or"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2061.395,"endTime":2062.545,"body":"numbering agency, or whatever."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2062.735,"endTime":2065.555,"body":"So now every kernel bug"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2062.735,"endTime":2065.555,"body":"is going to be a CVE."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2065.635,"endTime":2066.455,"body":"Every kernel bug."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2066.875,"endTime":2069.455,"body":"That kind of all the maintainers"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2066.875,"endTime":2069.455,"body":"look at and go, yeah, this could be"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2069.455,"endTime":2070.955,"body":"a, this could be like exploitable."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2070.955,"endTime":2073.115,"body":"We don't know, but so we're"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2070.955,"endTime":2073.115,"body":"going to give it a CVE."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2073.445,"endTime":2076.005,"body":"Um, they call it 90%."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2076.015,"endTime":2078.305,"body":"I don't think they have good data on"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2076.015,"endTime":2078.305,"body":"what it's going to be, but it's basically"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2078.305,"endTime":2081.035,"body":"everyone's kind of accepting that almost"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2078.305,"endTime":2081.035,"body":"every kernel bug is going to be a CVE."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2081.275,"endTime":2084.115,"body":"Okay, combine that with the fact"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2081.275,"endTime":2084.115,"body":"that FedRAMP High now says that"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2084.125,"endTime":2088.125,"body":"you have to, you have to patch"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2084.125,"endTime":2088.125,"body":"every moderate CVE within 90 days."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2088.715,"endTime":2090.365,"body":"And the world is not doing that today."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2090.395,"endTime":2094.385,"body":"Like, I would argue there are not"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2090.395,"endTime":2094.385,"body":"enough developers on the planet to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2094.385,"endTime":2097.695,"body":"patch every piece of software that"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2094.385,"endTime":2097.695,"body":"we have in a FedRAMP High perimeter."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2098.575,"endTime":2102.005,"body":"All the moderates within"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2098.575,"endTime":2102.005,"body":"90 days without using LLMs."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2102.045,"endTime":2106.985,"body":"Like, we're not even going to be able to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2102.045,"endTime":2106.985,"body":"achieve the demand without using that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2106.985,"endTime":2110.805,"body":"So like, I think those are the kinds of"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2106.985,"endTime":2110.805,"body":"use cases that DevOps is really going to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2110.845,"endTime":2113.235,"body":"like, okay, how the hell do we patch CVEs?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2113.455,"endTime":2117.525,"body":"How do we, Backport changes"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2113.455,"endTime":2117.525,"body":"for 30 years at a power plant."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2117.775,"endTime":2120.775,"body":"How do we like, there's all"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2117.775,"endTime":2120.775,"body":"kinds of nasty stuff that like,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2120.885,"endTime":2122.305,"body":"nobody wants to do that work."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2122.355,"endTime":2123.395,"body":"Like, I don't want to do that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2123.425,"endTime":2126.985,"body":"I don't want to backport something to a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2123.425,"endTime":2126.985,"body":"30 year old kernel, but will it need done?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2127.605,"endTime":2128.405,"body":"Probably."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2128.695,"endTime":2129.065,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2129.065,"endTime":2131.115,"body":"It's pretty damn likely"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2129.065,"endTime":2131.115,"body":"it's going to need done."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2131.785,"endTime":2134.805,"body":"So you've referenced"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2131.785,"endTime":2134.805,"body":"a few ways Red Hat is obviously"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2134.905,"endTime":2138.995,"body":"starting to leverage in AI and"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2134.905,"endTime":2138.995,"body":"thinking about AI in tools."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2139.085,"endTime":2142.105,"body":"what's the kind of broad approach or"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2139.085,"endTime":2142.105,"body":"are there particular tools that you"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2142.105,"endTime":2145.515,"body":"want to mention as far as how Red"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2142.105,"endTime":2145.515,"body":"Hat's moving forward with, uh, AI?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2146.145,"endTime":2146.395,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2146.395,"endTime":2147.115,"body":"Two tools."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2147.385,"endTime":2148.425,"body":"So call me a caveman."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2148.435,"endTime":2152.325,"body":"I'm a caveman sysadmin that like"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2148.435,"endTime":2152.325,"body":"became a, uh, uh, a solutions"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2152.345,"endTime":2153.835,"body":"Hey man,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2152.345,"endTime":2153.835,"body":"I'm a really bad dev."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2153.835,"endTime":2155.49,"body":"I just talk to smart people like you, so."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2156.45,"endTime":2158.87,"body":"I was definitely"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2156.45,"endTime":2158.87,"body":"like, sort of the cutting edge"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2158.89,"endTime":2162.05,"body":"DevOps guy is what I would say I"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2158.89,"endTime":2162.05,"body":"was back in like the 2010 timeframe."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2162.37,"endTime":2165.45,"body":"But um, you know, I look at"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2162.37,"endTime":2165.45,"body":"like, there's two tools that"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2165.45,"endTime":2166.37,"body":"I'm excited about right now."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2166.38,"endTime":2172.18,"body":"Like I would say, AI Lab built into,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2166.38,"endTime":2172.18,"body":"Podman Desktop is really cool and"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2172.18,"endTime":2176.69,"body":"that it like will generate code stubs"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2172.18,"endTime":2176.69,"body":"so that you can like call out to a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2176.69,"endTime":2179.65,"body":"model and like send something out"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2176.69,"endTime":2179.65,"body":"to a model and get something back."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2180.12,"endTime":2183.6,"body":"And that's something that's hard for me"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2180.12,"endTime":2183.6,"body":"because I'm like not that good at this."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2183.61,"endTime":2186.01,"body":"So like, I think that's like app centric."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2186.05,"endTime":2187.15,"body":"I think that's really cool."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2187.46,"endTime":2191.283,"body":"But then perhaps even more so what I'm"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2187.46,"endTime":2191.283,"body":"excited about is there's a tool called"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2191.453,"endTime":2196.863,"body":"Ramalama, which is quite similar to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2191.453,"endTime":2196.863,"body":"Olama, except that it'll pull from any"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2197.153,"endTime":2199.183,"body":"So Olama pulls from the Olama registry."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2199.598,"endTime":2203.108,"body":"Ramalama will pull from Olama, it'll"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2199.598,"endTime":2203.108,"body":"pull from HuggingFace, and it'll"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2203.108,"endTime":2204.628,"body":"pull from any container registry."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2204.848,"endTime":2208.898,"body":"So if you shove a model in a container"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2204.848,"endTime":2208.898,"body":"and shove it in your own personal"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2208.898,"endTime":2212.148,"body":"registry or your enterprise registry,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2208.898,"endTime":2212.148,"body":"you can push and pull from there."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2212.488,"endTime":2215.808,"body":"And I really think that's cool"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2212.488,"endTime":2215.808,"body":"because for me, it's two commands."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2215.808,"endTime":2221.198,"body":"Ramalama pull, granite3b, whatever,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2215.808,"endTime":2221.198,"body":"blah blah blah, Ramalama run, and"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2221.198,"endTime":2224.188,"body":"then I can literally just say, Tell"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2221.198,"endTime":2224.188,"body":"me a story about dwarves and it will"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2224.188,"endTime":2227.148,"body":"just start spitting out in the, and"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2224.188,"endTime":2227.148,"body":"I'm like, okay, this is pretty cool."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2227.148,"endTime":2228.188,"body":"Like me, I'm a caveman."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2228.428,"endTime":2230.488,"body":"I just want to be able to like"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2228.428,"endTime":2230.488,"body":"use the model, mess with it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2230.768,"endTime":2233.188,"body":"But then once I've messed with"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2230.768,"endTime":2233.188,"body":"it, I understand what it does."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2233.228,"endTime":2235.368,"body":"I want to be able to get it into"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2233.228,"endTime":2235.368,"body":"a container, be able to move it"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2235.368,"endTime":2238.938,"body":"around, perhaps fine tune it,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2235.368,"endTime":2238.938,"body":"perhaps do something like the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2238.968,"endTime":2240.908,"body":"instruct lab stuff where I refine it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2241.238,"endTime":2243.388,"body":"And I'm not going to want to push"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2241.238,"endTime":2243.388,"body":"that back out on the internet."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2243.408,"endTime":2245.998,"body":"I'm going to want to push it into"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2243.408,"endTime":2245.998,"body":"a, like a local registry, save it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2246.138,"endTime":2248.788,"body":"I want some kind of packaging"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2246.138,"endTime":2248.788,"body":"format that I can save it and"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2248.788,"endTime":2250.158,"body":"containers are as good as anything."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2250.483,"endTime":2254.023,"body":"So I'm like, let me shove it in a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2250.483,"endTime":2254.023,"body":"container, train it, refine it, you"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2254.023,"endTime":2257.083,"body":"know, pull it down, push it back"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2254.023,"endTime":2257.083,"body":"into the registry, pull it down into"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2257.083,"endTime":2258.573,"body":"production, run it on Kubernetes."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2258.843,"endTime":2261.403,"body":"To me, this is like the most"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2258.843,"endTime":2261.403,"body":"exciting thing I've seen in a while."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2261.403,"endTime":2264.473,"body":"Cause like, I just want a tool that"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2261.403,"endTime":2264.473,"body":"helps me do super simple stuff to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2264.473,"endTime":2267.783,"body":"like augment my, I want to see,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2264.473,"endTime":2267.783,"body":"like, for example, Red Hat's."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2267.803,"endTime":2271.073,"body":"I want to see our, you know, console."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2271.503,"endTime":2271.623,"body":"redhat."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2271.623,"endTime":2272.383,"body":"com augmented."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2272.393,"endTime":2274.123,"body":"I know there's going to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2272.393,"endTime":2274.123,"body":"be these LLMs everywhere."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2274.413,"endTime":2276.983,"body":"And the more I can see those in"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2274.413,"endTime":2276.983,"body":"containers running on Kubernetes,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2277.013,"endTime":2279.723,"body":"the more likely I think it is that I"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2277.013,"endTime":2279.723,"body":"get what I want as a product manager."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2280.053,"endTime":2281.933,"body":"So, uh, yeah, that's what excites me."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2282.493,"endTime":2283.963,"body":"And it gives"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2282.493,"endTime":2283.963,"body":"you a lot more flexibility."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2283.983,"endTime":2288.043,"body":"But to your point, I also think it kind"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2283.983,"endTime":2288.043,"body":"of shows what the future may look like."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2288.683,"endTime":2292.278,"body":"Yeah, I think the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2288.683,"endTime":2292.278,"body":"Kubernetes, I think there's what"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2292.288,"endTime":2294.728,"body":"10 people at KubeCon every year."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2294.818,"endTime":2296.258,"body":"Every, you know, twice a year."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2296.538,"endTime":2300.568,"body":"And, uh, you go, there is"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2296.538,"endTime":2300.568,"body":"still a huge operation."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2300.668,"endTime":2302.088,"body":"And I'm going to say"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2300.668,"endTime":2302.088,"body":"something provocative."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2302.798,"endTime":2305.818,"body":"LLMs are just software, but"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2302.798,"endTime":2305.818,"body":"like AI is just software."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2305.998,"endTime":2307.188,"body":"Like it's files."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2307.288,"endTime":2308.348,"body":"It's a fancy file."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2308.488,"endTime":2313.823,"body":"It's a, It's a bunch of weights in a file,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2308.488,"endTime":2313.823,"body":"it's some code in a file, I need to run"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2313.823,"endTime":2317.903,"body":"it, and then it's a process, and yes,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2313.823,"endTime":2317.903,"body":"it uses GPUs, but it's still a process,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2317.913,"endTime":2321.423,"body":"so it's like processes and files, these"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2317.913,"endTime":2321.423,"body":"are basic operating system things, it's"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2321.423,"endTime":2325.253,"body":"software, we can move it around, we can"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2321.423,"endTime":2325.253,"body":"start it, we can stop it, we can change"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2325.253,"endTime":2330.648,"body":"it, we know how to do this, like we need"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2325.253,"endTime":2330.648,"body":"Git Control, we need GitOps, we need, we"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2330.648,"endTime":2332.248,"body":"need, you know, workflows to promote it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2332.258,"endTime":2334.188,"body":"We need standards in the environment."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2334.188,"endTime":2337.148,"body":"So everybody's using the same model,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2334.188,"endTime":2337.148,"body":"then maybe tuning from it, probably"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2337.148,"endTime":2338.718,"body":"like a standard operating environment."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2338.728,"endTime":2341.078,"body":"You know, I, I think we know this stuff."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2341.078,"endTime":2343.218,"body":"I just don't think we've come"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2341.078,"endTime":2343.218,"body":"to terms with it all the way."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2343.793,"endTime":2344.203,"body":"I don't know."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2344.203,"endTime":2347.673,"body":"I just want to say for the record"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2344.203,"endTime":2347.673,"body":"that when Skynet eventually finds"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2347.673,"endTime":2350.413,"body":"this podcast episode and reviews"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2347.673,"endTime":2350.413,"body":"it, this is Scott's opinion."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2350.413,"endTime":2351.603,"body":"I'm just here as the host."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2351.923,"endTime":2353.923,"body":"Um, no, no thoughts from my end."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2355.013,"endTime":2358.443,"body":"Um, but let's, let's get a little"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2355.013,"endTime":2358.443,"body":"more philosophical that we've"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2358.443,"endTime":2360.643,"body":"done that a couple of times"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2358.443,"endTime":2360.643,"body":"throughout this conversation."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2360.643,"endTime":2361.943,"body":"We've got a few minutes left."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2361.983,"endTime":2365.683,"body":"Um, and I can tell you, you want"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2361.983,"endTime":2365.683,"body":"to dive into this a little more."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2365.968,"endTime":2371.168,"body":"What do you think the long term vision"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2365.968,"endTime":2371.168,"body":"is for LLMs within the industry?"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2371.368,"endTime":2375.038,"body":"What are the long term impacts"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2371.368,"endTime":2375.038,"body":"of open source AI on the power"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2375.038,"endTime":2376.268,"body":"dynamics in the tech industry?"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2376.338,"endTime":2376.808,"body":"Computing"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2377.228,"endTime":2381.53,"body":"Yeah, that is actually"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2377.228,"endTime":2381.53,"body":"one that like, We were at DevConf day"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2381.53,"endTime":2385.18,"body":"zero on August 13th, and there were"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2381.53,"endTime":2385.18,"body":"about 300, call it, people that were from"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2385.18,"endTime":2386.37,"body":"a whole bunch of different companies."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2386.39,"endTime":2387.67,"body":"It wasn't just Red Hat people."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2387.81,"endTime":2389.2,"body":"We invited a whole bunch of people."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2389.71,"endTime":2391.44,"body":"We broke out into working group sessions."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2391.44,"endTime":2394.16,"body":"And the one thing that I'd highlight"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2391.44,"endTime":2394.16,"body":"from that bunch of super smart"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2394.16,"endTime":2397.94,"body":"people, but the thing that kept"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2394.16,"endTime":2397.94,"body":"coming up was the power dynamics."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2397.95,"endTime":2401.34,"body":"We're like, does this actually"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2397.95,"endTime":2401.34,"body":"make our lives better?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2401.42,"endTime":2404.7,"body":"Or does this create an even"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2401.42,"endTime":2404.7,"body":"bigger power dynamic gap?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2405.08,"endTime":2408.79,"body":"And we call that the wealth divide"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2405.08,"endTime":2408.79,"body":"when you're talking about finance."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2409.21,"endTime":2413.275,"body":"But what about like Just raw"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2409.21,"endTime":2413.275,"body":"intellect or power or ability to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2413.275,"endTime":2414.995,"body":"use or ability to get things done."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2415.385,"endTime":2418.415,"body":"You know, I wrote an article a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2415.385,"endTime":2418.415,"body":"while back about Google, like 1999."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2418.415,"endTime":2420.295,"body":"I got pretty good at"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2418.415,"endTime":2420.295,"body":"Google or whatever, 2001."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2420.705,"endTime":2423.165,"body":"All the people in my team, they're like,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2420.705,"endTime":2423.165,"body":"Oh, you know how to do all this stuff."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2423.165,"endTime":2424.625,"body":"And I'm like, actually, I"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2423.165,"endTime":2424.625,"body":"don't know how to do anything."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2424.625,"endTime":2426.275,"body":"I'm just Googling it"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2424.625,"endTime":2426.275,"body":"faster than all of you."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2426.575,"endTime":2428.815,"body":"And I seem really smart, but"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2426.575,"endTime":2428.815,"body":"I'm actually not that smart."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2429.325,"endTime":2432.055,"body":"I think we're getting into a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2429.325,"endTime":2432.055,"body":"similar scenario where the people"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2432.055,"endTime":2434.915,"body":"that are going to use AI are"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2432.055,"endTime":2434.915,"body":"going to become more powerful."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2434.985,"endTime":2437.015,"body":"Already are."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2437.085,"endTime":2439.985,"body":"Honestly, I think even this"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2437.085,"endTime":2439.985,"body":"probably your listeners are probably"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2439.985,"endTime":2441.265,"body":"already on the smart end of that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2441.305,"endTime":2446.325,"body":"And my mom is not, you know, like,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2441.305,"endTime":2446.325,"body":"there's already a power dynamic right"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2446.325,"endTime":2447.625,"body":"and it's probably going to get worse."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2447.925,"endTime":2449.665,"body":"And it's probably going"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2447.925,"endTime":2449.665,"body":"to result in a, in a."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2449.725,"endTime":2454.065,"body":"So I think my call to action, my"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2449.725,"endTime":2454.065,"body":"ask for everyone that's thinking"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2454.065,"endTime":2457.325,"body":"about this would probably be like,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2454.065,"endTime":2457.325,"body":"let's all decide collectively what"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2457.325,"endTime":2459.155,"body":"we want and try to push for that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2459.455,"endTime":2463.215,"body":"Like, if we want to make people's"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2459.455,"endTime":2463.215,"body":"lives better, let's try to do that."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2463.385,"endTime":2466.735,"body":"If we want to just cut costs"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2463.385,"endTime":2466.735,"body":"and increase the power dynamic,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2466.765,"endTime":2467.795,"body":"that's also going to happen."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2468.23,"endTime":2470.99,"body":"That's definitely going to be"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2468.23,"endTime":2470.99,"body":"part of this, but let's not forget"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2471.0,"endTime":2473.81,"body":"the people primitive and try to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2471.0,"endTime":2473.81,"body":"like, make people's lives better."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2474.15,"endTime":2476.84,"body":"And I don't know if, I don't think we"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2474.15,"endTime":2476.84,"body":"have any other option, like, I don't,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2476.95,"endTime":2480.5,"body":"I don't see another op I, 300 smart"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2476.95,"endTime":2480.5,"body":"people really didn't come up with much"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2480.55,"endTime":2483.9,"body":"other option other than that, you know,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2480.55,"endTime":2483.9,"body":"like, we have to decide what we want"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2483.9,"endTime":2486.8,"body":"and all pull in that direction or else"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2483.9,"endTime":2486.8,"body":"we're not going to get what we want."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2487.33,"endTime":2491.62,"body":"We're just going to get a nasty world,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2487.33,"endTime":2491.62,"body":"like a post apocalyptic dystopian future"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2491.62,"endTime":2492.7,"body":"that I don't think any of us want."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2493.955,"endTime":2495.315,"body":"Scott,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2493.955,"endTime":2495.315,"body":"you're, you're spot on."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2495.355,"endTime":2498.305,"body":"Our listeners are"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2495.355,"endTime":2498.305,"body":"incredible, smart people."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2498.555,"endTime":2501.425,"body":"Uh, and I think a lot of them"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2498.555,"endTime":2501.425,"body":"are thinking about these topics."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2501.425,"endTime":2505.955,"body":"Uh, Uh, and one of the conversations"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2501.425,"endTime":2505.955,"body":"that's kind of started to happen."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2505.955,"endTime":2509.025,"body":"And I think Sam Altman is the first"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2505.955,"endTime":2509.025,"body":"person to really say this and have"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2509.025,"endTime":2513.155,"body":"it blow up in media is how compute is"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2509.025,"endTime":2513.155,"body":"going to be one of the, one of, or in"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2513.155,"endTime":2517.045,"body":"his case, the currency of the future,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2513.155,"endTime":2517.045,"body":"maybe the most precious commodity in"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2517.045,"endTime":2518.205,"body":"the world, I think is how he put it."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2518.543,"endTime":2522.433,"body":"And there's a, there's a risk with that"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2518.543,"endTime":2522.433,"body":"about that concentration of power piece."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2522.433,"endTime":2526.423,"body":"We talked earlier about the fact that"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2522.433,"endTime":2526.423,"body":"it's, it's really a few companies"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2526.423,"endTime":2528.203,"body":"that are gobbling up all this compute."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2528.293,"endTime":2532.503,"body":"And that's the reason NVIDIA has done so"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2528.293,"endTime":2532.503,"body":"well over the last few years is they're"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2532.503,"endTime":2537.223,"body":"kind of providing a lot of that, but, um,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2532.503,"endTime":2537.223,"body":"there's a concentration of power risk."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2537.253,"endTime":2539.483,"body":"There's not, there's a possibility"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2537.253,"endTime":2539.483,"body":"that it's going to be a couple of"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2539.483,"endTime":2544.913,"body":"folks who, or a couple of companies who"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2539.483,"endTime":2544.913,"body":"have, uh, this mass amount of compute."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2544.933,"endTime":2548.318,"body":"They have the models and everyone"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2544.933,"endTime":2548.318,"body":"else's kind of, you know, Fighting over"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2548.318,"endTime":2550.708,"body":"the scraps of the wave, so to speak."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2551.053,"endTime":2551.783,"body":"100%."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2551.813,"endTime":2555.883,"body":"And that's why I want to see a Kubernetes"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2551.813,"endTime":2555.883,"body":"like model succeed on the AI side."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2555.893,"endTime":2560.223,"body":"Like, if we don't get to that, the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2555.893,"endTime":2560.223,"body":"power dynamics become concentrated."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2560.243,"endTime":2563.783,"body":"And if it's monopolistic in the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2560.243,"endTime":2563.783,"body":"traditional sense, that's probably"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2563.783,"endTime":2565.173,"body":"going to be bad for all of us, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2565.183,"endTime":2566.593,"body":"Like, that's not the world we want."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2567.143,"endTime":2569.963,"body":"Also, I'll leave you with a funny tidbit"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2567.143,"endTime":2569.963,"body":"that I've been thinking about lately."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2569.963,"endTime":2573.733,"body":"Like, uh, You know, a human brain"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2569.963,"endTime":2573.733,"body":"is already very smart, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2573.733,"endTime":2575.403,"body":"Like smarter than anything"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2573.733,"endTime":2575.403,"body":"we've created AI wise."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2575.613,"endTime":2579.133,"body":"It also uses about one watt"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2575.613,"endTime":2579.133,"body":"per day, one watt hour per day."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2579.523,"endTime":2583.633,"body":"So like my little anchor battery is 20,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2579.523,"endTime":2583.633,"body":"000 milliamps or mil, you know, milliwatt"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2583.633,"endTime":2585.273,"body":"hour, I think it's milliamp hours."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2585.273,"endTime":2586.553,"body":"So like, what is that in watt hours?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2586.583,"endTime":2586.933,"body":"I don't know."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2587.318,"endTime":2590.078,"body":"Let's call it 20 human brains or"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2587.318,"endTime":2590.078,"body":"something per day or something,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2590.088,"endTime":2594.728,"body":"you know, like it's pretty crazy"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2590.088,"endTime":2594.728,"body":"how power efficient the humans are."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2595.088,"endTime":2597.938,"body":"And that's why I think like, we"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2595.088,"endTime":2597.938,"body":"like, do we have self driving?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2597.938,"endTime":2598.198,"body":"Yes."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2598.228,"endTime":2601.628,"body":"My brain gets in and out of the car"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2598.228,"endTime":2601.628,"body":"20 times per day when I'm running"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2601.628,"endTime":2605.218,"body":"errands and I only need like one watt"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2601.628,"endTime":2605.218,"body":"hour to like run this amazing brain."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2605.808,"endTime":2606.858,"body":"Like we've already got it."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2606.858,"endTime":2608.448,"body":"Like let's care for these things."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2608.448,"endTime":2611.118,"body":"Like and make sure like we"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2608.448,"endTime":2611.118,"body":"should care about the humans."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2611.118,"endTime":2611.368,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2611.418,"endTime":2616.803,"body":"Like, um, I worry if we're going to get to"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2611.418,"endTime":2616.803,"body":"some place where we're burning, Ridiculous"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2616.803,"endTime":2621.023,"body":"amounts of energy to like get to one"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2616.803,"endTime":2621.023,"body":"AGI, you know, and you're like, is that"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2621.023,"endTime":2622.473,"body":"going to be worth it in a lot of ways?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2622.513,"endTime":2622.903,"body":"You know?"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2623.807,"endTime":2628.037,"body":"So how should"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2623.807,"endTime":2628.037,"body":"folks who are listening step"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2628.037,"endTime":2629.407,"body":"into this and make a difference?"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2629.417,"endTime":2630.962,"body":"What's, what's your"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2629.417,"endTime":2630.962,"body":"call to action for them?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2631.637,"endTime":2634.117,"body":"Yeah, I'll leave like,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2631.637,"endTime":2634.117,"body":"what my boss left with me as we were"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2634.117,"endTime":2637.457,"body":"working on like, Rel Lightspeed and"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2634.117,"endTime":2637.457,"body":"stuff, you know, like, he's like, Let's"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2637.467,"endTime":2639.727,"body":"focus on making people's lives better."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2639.757,"endTime":2644.047,"body":"Like, let's not just focus on cutting"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2639.757,"endTime":2644.047,"body":"costs and making things cheaper."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2644.057,"endTime":2647.947,"body":"That will happen, and that's, that's not"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2644.057,"endTime":2647.947,"body":"bad, like, we want that to some extent,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2647.947,"endTime":2650.197,"body":"but like, Let's not only do that, right?"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2650.207,"endTime":2654.067,"body":"Like, like ethics at the cost of making"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2650.207,"endTime":2654.067,"body":"people's lives better, because these"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2654.077,"endTime":2657.267,"body":"things are going to destroy jobs,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2654.077,"endTime":2657.267,"body":"like to an extent, or I don't think"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2657.267,"endTime":2658.547,"body":"it's going to destroy developer jobs."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2658.547,"endTime":2659.217,"body":"I'll debate that one."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2659.217,"endTime":2661.067,"body":"I still think developer"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2659.217,"endTime":2661.067,"body":"jobs are going to grow out."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2661.387,"endTime":2663.747,"body":"It's kind of like virtualization"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2661.387,"endTime":2663.747,"body":"and containers didn't actually"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2663.747,"endTime":2664.707,"body":"make us buy less hardware."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2664.707,"endTime":2666.607,"body":"We just bought more hardware"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2664.707,"endTime":2666.607,"body":"and did even more stuff."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2666.877,"endTime":2668.977,"body":"I think that's going to happen"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2666.877,"endTime":2668.977,"body":"with developers, but I think"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2668.977,"endTime":2670.087,"body":"it's all the other people."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2670.087,"endTime":2673.457,"body":"I think sysadmins, architects,"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2670.087,"endTime":2673.457,"body":"developers, whatever we may change."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2674.712,"endTime":2676.572,"body":"I think there's going to be"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2674.712,"endTime":2676.572,"body":"more people working in software."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2676.572,"endTime":2679.602,"body":"The problem is, is we're the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2676.572,"endTime":2679.602,"body":"haves and then the rest of the"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2679.602,"endTime":2680.892,"body":"people become the have nots."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2680.892,"endTime":2684.572,"body":"And you go, that's, let's try"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2680.892,"endTime":2684.572,"body":"to make people's lives better."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2684.612,"endTime":2686.582,"body":"I'd say that's my biggest call to action."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2686.642,"endTime":2687.052,"body":"You know,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2687.482,"endTime":2690.192,"body":"I think that's an awesome"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2687.482,"endTime":2690.192,"body":"philosophy because as you've said, and"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2690.382,"endTime":2692.832,"body":"others, AI can make this a better world."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2692.842,"endTime":2694.102,"body":"It can make us all more efficient."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2694.132,"endTime":2697.612,"body":"It can make us all get to spend"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2694.132,"endTime":2697.612,"body":"more time on things we enjoy."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2697.812,"endTime":2701.412,"body":"Maybe not upgrading from Java 8 to Java"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2697.812,"endTime":2701.412,"body":"17, but instead saying, what's the new"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2701.422,"endTime":2702.592,"body":"innovative thing I want to spend time"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2702.602,"endTime":2705.192,"body":"maybe not analyzing a"},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2702.602,"endTime":2705.192,"body":"log at 2am when you're half asleep."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2705.232,"endTime":2705.632,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2705.902,"endTime":2710.007,"body":"Yeah, there's a lot that"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2705.902,"endTime":2710.007,"body":"this could do for us and really help."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2710.227,"endTime":2714.987,"body":"Humans help companies help individuals,"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2710.227,"endTime":2714.987,"body":"uh, but we have to work together to"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2715.197,"endTime":2717.887,"body":"solve that and to make this future."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2718.087,"endTime":2718.857,"body":"and I'm really excited."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2718.857,"endTime":2720.377,"body":"There are folks like yourself"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2718.857,"endTime":2720.377,"body":"who are working on it."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2720.387,"endTime":2722.177,"body":"Scott, thanks so much for"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2720.387,"endTime":2722.177,"body":"coming on the show and talking"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2722.177,"endTime":2723.207,"body":"to our listeners about it."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2723.377,"endTime":2725.077,"body":"I've really taken a lot"},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2723.377,"endTime":2725.077,"body":"away from this conversation."},{"speaker":"Conor Bronsdon","startTime":2725.077,"endTime":2725.797,"body":"I appreciate you coming on."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2726.282,"endTime":2726.442,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2726.442,"endTime":2727.162,"body":"Thank you for having me."},{"speaker":"Scott McCarty","startTime":2727.172,"endTime":2727.982,"body":"It was really fun"}]}