{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":7.427,"endTime":9.947,"body":"Welcome back to Dev Interrupted everyone."},{"startTime":9.947,"endTime":11.687,"body":"I'm your host, Andrew Zigler."},{"startTime":12.353,"endTime":14.813,"body":"And I am Dan Lines awesome to be here."},{"startTime":15.407,"endTime":18.137,"body":"We have a amazing conversation"},{"startTime":15.407,"endTime":18.137,"body":"ahead of us today."},{"startTime":18.257,"endTime":22.487,"body":"I sat down with Adnan Ijaz, one"},{"startTime":18.257,"endTime":22.487,"body":"of AWS's top product leaders."},{"startTime":22.487,"endTime":27.554,"body":"He's driving Amazon Q. 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