"Breaking Barriers: A Christian Conservative Pastor and a Transgender Pastor (Part 1) | Guest: Joanna Whaley"

In this much-anticipated episode, Kevin sits down with former evangelical megachurch pastor Joanna Whaley, a biological male pastor who is now a transgender woman. In this episode, you hear the story of how Joanna was outed by her church and subsequently fired. Parts one and two of this episode are honest, deep, and challenging. Listen as they respectfully challenge each other's views on all things LGBTQ. Want to see what it's like for two people who completely disagree with each other to debate scripture in a respectful way? Parts 1 and 2 do that and more!


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