{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":15.598,"endTime":23.944,"body":"Last week we went all in on Cloud and Sephiroth and learned a ton about our personal"},{"startTime":15.598,"endTime":23.944,"body":"histories with these two characters."},{"startTime":23.944,"endTime":33.83,"body":"But lo and behold there's a full honest to goodness cast here and luckily for us the"},{"startTime":23.944,"endTime":33.83,"body":"balance of the participants aren't half bad either."},{"startTime":34.158,"endTime":48.458,"body":"We have a lot to get through so it's time to dim the lights, pull back to curtain, and let"},{"startTime":34.158,"endTime":48.458,"body":"the crew take a bow as we begin episode 123, Final Fantasy VII, part 5, a memorable,"},{"startTime":48.458,"endTime":49.778,"body":"enduring cast."},{"startTime":62.702,"endTime":66.282,"body":"Final Fantasy VII is the biggest selling game ever on PlayStation."},{"startTime":66.362,"endTime":69.682,"body":"Over 100 hours of the most compelling gameplay."},{"startTime":69.722,"endTime":74.962,"body":"This year's most anticipated release is Final Fantasy VII."},{"startTime":77.762,"endTime":88.75,"body":"Now, before we start talking about the individual cast members, let's set the table for"},{"startTime":77.762,"endTime":88.75,"body":"the nearly two hours of character conversations with some general thoughts."},{"startTime":88.771,"endTime":98.628,"body":"Starting us off is cosplayer, Diane McQueen, followed by the one and only Games with"},{"startTime":88.771,"endTime":98.628,"body":"Coffee, and concluding with the co-host of the Player One podcast and creator of the"},{"startTime":98.628,"endTime":102.821,"body":"Generation 16 series of YouTube videos, Greg Seward."},{"startTime":102.821,"endTime":104.056,"body":"I was gonna ask that were there..."},{"startTime":104.056,"endTime":107.279,"body":"What other characters did you identify with when you played it?"},{"startTime":107.279,"endTime":116.226,"body":"Even in, obviously Sephiroth, but, and Cloud, talked about for what, they are the"},{"startTime":107.279,"endTime":116.226,"body":"characters that you saw bits of yourself in that you were able to be like, ooh, I"},{"startTime":116.226,"endTime":117.918,"body":"understand that character."},{"startTime":117.918,"endTime":118.708,"body":"I don't know."},{"startTime":118.708,"endTime":123.583,"body":"That is also a very peculiar thing to Seven because I do that with everything."},{"startTime":123.583,"endTime":126.185,"body":"mean, know, we do that as human beings."},{"startTime":126.185,"endTime":127.886,"body":"Like we're like, that's me."},{"startTime":127.886,"endTime":130.598,"body":"You know, even unconsciously, you're like, I feel drawn to that person."},{"startTime":130.598,"endTime":131.109,"body":"We're similar."},{"startTime":131.109,"endTime":131.509,"body":"Right."},{"startTime":131.509,"endTime":132.349,"body":"But,"},{"startTime":132.96,"endTime":134.811,"body":"I didn't do that 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more."},{"startTime":541.073,"endTime":546.638,"body":"Yeah, because again, it's it's interesting because when I when I played it as a late"},{"startTime":541.073,"endTime":546.638,"body":"twenty something."},{"startTime":546.638,"endTime":548.198,"body":"I didn't relate to anybody."},{"startTime":548.198,"endTime":550.978,"body":"was just playing a game and it was fun."},{"startTime":550.978,"endTime":554.498,"body":"I enjoyed some of the systems and the story was neat and that was the end of it."},{"startTime":554.498,"endTime":556.058,"body":"I didn't have that connection."},{"startTime":556.058,"endTime":559.078,"body":"But again, it wasn't my first Final Fantasy either."},{"startTime":559.078,"endTime":560.398,"body":"It was a lot of people's first ones."},{"startTime":560.398,"endTime":563.178,"body":"I'm curious to hear why people connect with these things."},{"startTime":563.178,"endTime":571.098,"body":"I think it's fair to say that a lot of these games are aimed at a 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power"},{"startTime":591.546,"endTime":595.866,"body":"bills."},{"startTime":595.866,"endTime":600.666,"body":"Seriously, through the roof, through the roof, utilities are gonna go outrageous."},{"startTime":600.666,"endTime":602.106,"body":"Are you kidding me?"},{"startTime":602.338,"endTime":603.838,"body":"You guys don't have to pay."},{"startTime":604.119,"endTime":604.819,"body":"All right."},{"startTime":604.819,"endTime":606.37,"body":"I thought it was interesting, actually."},{"startTime":606.37,"endTime":617.444,"body":"I will say, though, the other thing that I kind of especially liked about the first part"},{"startTime":606.37,"endTime":617.444,"body":"of that game in Midgard with and I'm totally blanking now the corporation."},{"startTime":617.444,"endTime":618.515,"body":"What was the corporation called?"},{"startTime":618.515,"endTime":625.747,"body":"Shinra Shinra with Shinra that they were really obviously had a lot to say about corporate"},{"startTime":618.515,"endTime":625.747,"body":"greed."},{"startTime":626.848,"endTime":629.889,"body":"And I I kind of love that they went for it."},{"startTime":629.889,"endTime":631.81,"body":"I kind of love that"},{"startTime":632.16,"endTime":641.935,"body":"At one point, they literally just decide to kill a bunch of people so they can kill a lot"},{"startTime":632.16,"endTime":641.935,"body":"of other people down in the slums, like where they just release a whole plate from Midgard"},{"startTime":641.935,"endTime":644.356,"body":"and drop it on people."},{"startTime":644.356,"endTime":649.738,"body":"It's you know, this is the it's so it's shocking when it happens."},{"startTime":649.738,"endTime":650.399,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":650.399,"endTime":654.411,"body":"But it's also like, yeah, this is this is the end game for the corporate greed."},{"startTime":654.411,"endTime":654.751,"body":"Sure."},{"startTime":654.751,"endTime":657.482,"body":"Yeah, I can see that, especially in this world."},{"startTime":669.25,"endTime":680.266,"body":"Continuing our setup and introductory conversation is Mike from the Distorted"},{"startTime":669.25,"endTime":680.266,"body":"Illuminations YouTube channel, followed by Ian of Nerds Abroadcast, and finally Julian of"},{"startTime":680.266,"endTime":682.298,"body":"the Stage Select Podcast."},{"startTime":682.298,"endTime":685.689,"body":"Now, did you say you bought PlayStation just for Final Fantasy VII?"},{"startTime":685.689,"endTime":688.301,"body":"Was that one of the main reasons, or were you looking forward to other?"},{"startTime":688.301,"endTime":689.442,"body":"That was the main reason."},{"startTime":689.442,"endTime":697.146,"body":"So when you got Final Fantasy VII, this is interesting because this is of its time, and if"},{"startTime":689.442,"endTime":697.146,"body":"you kinda go back to that era, you..."},{"startTime":698.123,"endTime":705.675,"body":"I had never seen anything like Final Fantasy VII on a TV screen, let alone computer screen"},{"startTime":698.123,"endTime":705.675,"body":"or any screen, really."},{"startTime":705.876,"endTime":707.569,"body":"What about it underwhelmed you?"},{"startTime":707.569,"endTime":711.966,"body":"Because, especially of that era, nothing looked like it."},{"startTime":713.518,"endTime":716.278,"body":"Purely from the visuals it was great."},{"startTime":716.278,"endTime":717.938,"body":"Okay, so did you enjoy the video?"},{"startTime":717.938,"endTime":719.498,"body":"always loved how it looked."},{"startTime":719.758,"endTime":722.198,"body":"And again, it's got that Final Fantasy music."},{"startTime":722.198,"endTime":725.878,"body":"Even if I'm gonna, I'm gonna still say Six is the better soundtrack."},{"startTime":726.418,"endTime":728.038,"body":"Seven is not slacking."},{"startTime":728.038,"endTime":730.118,"body":"It was such a good soundtrack."},{"startTime":730.278,"endTime":732.918,"body":"But even then there's something I kinda started to realize."},{"startTime":732.918,"endTime":739.058,"body":"Like in part in terms of the combat, there really isn't much of a difference between your"},{"startTime":732.918,"endTime":739.058,"body":"characters outside of their limit breaks."},{"startTime":739.098,"endTime":739.978,"body":"True."},{"startTime":739.978,"endTime":741.718,"body":"There's some truth to that, yeah."},{"startTime":741.846,"endTime":749.31,"body":"You can just give someone the exact same materia set up as a different character and"},{"startTime":741.846,"endTime":749.31,"body":"they're going to function the same."},{"startTime":750.111,"endTime":751.711,"body":"I didn't like that."},{"startTime":752.192,"endTime":752.952,"body":"Interesting."},{"startTime":752.952,"endTime":754.033,"body":"Because..."},{"startTime":754.954,"endTime":761.297,"body":"But Six had a similar thing too, where if you just equip everyone with the same espers,"},{"startTime":754.954,"endTime":761.297,"body":"they'd all have the same magic and all that."},{"startTime":761.297,"endTime":762.858,"body":"Eventually."},{"startTime":762.858,"endTime":764.098,"body":"Eventually."},{"startTime":764.239,"endTime":764.729,"body":"Fair."},{"startTime":764.729,"endTime":765.679,"body":"Okay."},{"startTime":766.26,"endTime":770.252,"body":"And with Six, that really only happens when you..."},{"startTime":770.638,"endTime":776.438,"body":"understand how that's working when you understand how the per level bonuses work."},{"startTime":776.438,"endTime":777.798,"body":"True, that's true."},{"startTime":777.978,"endTime":785.438,"body":"just swap the material over and you're basically just making that character the other one"},{"startTime":777.978,"endTime":785.438,"body":"except for the limit breaks."},{"startTime":786.678,"endTime":796.318,"body":"So you were, cause Final Fantasy 7 didn't have a shift from what I would say more of like"},{"startTime":786.678,"endTime":796.318,"body":"a job based system, you know, 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that."},{"startTime":828.354,"endTime":831.234,"body":"It did fall apart a bit at the late game, yes."},{"startTime":831.874,"endTime":835.574,"body":"Seven almost just abandoned the uniqueness of the characters entirely."},{"startTime":845.108,"endTime":855.121,"body":"different that is interesting yeah which obviously you know a big part of final fantasy"},{"startTime":845.108,"endTime":855.121,"body":"seven and any final fantasy really are the characters were there any characters that you"},{"startTime":855.121,"endTime":868.174,"body":"really connected with that you enjoyed either playing as or experiencing the game through"},{"startTime":855.121,"endTime":868.174,"body":"my main my main team was cloud barra and tifa all the way through the game from start to"},{"startTime":868.174,"endTime":873.986,"body":"finish really wow not to say that i didn't like the other characters but"},{"startTime":874.924,"endTime":876.555,"body":"Kate Sith can get in the bin."},{"startTime":878.717,"endTime":881.239,"body":"Not my favourite."},{"startTime":881.239,"endTime":882.874,"body":"Kat-shee, however it's pronounced."},{"startTime":882.874,"endTime":884.241,"body":"I don't know."},{"startTime":884.522,"endTime":898.393,"body":"But there were some of the villains as well that I thought were really well written as"},{"startTime":884.522,"endTime":898.393,"body":"well and you know, they only turn up in a couple of scenes but you just think, I want to"},{"startTime":898.393,"endTime":899.354,"body":"see more of you."},{"startTime":899.354,"endTime":903.948,"body":"So every time the Turks turned up, I was like, who are these guys?"},{"startTime":903.948,"endTime":904.938,"body":"They're cool."},{"startTime":905.516,"endTime":907.327,"body":"Yeah, they're pretty cool."},{"startTime":907.327,"endTime":908.478,"body":"The Turks are pretty neat."},{"startTime":908.478,"endTime":909.929,"body":"Yeah, they're a fun villain."},{"startTime":909.929,"endTime":912.741,"body":"They always felt very at the time."},{"startTime":912.741,"endTime":913.461,"body":"I wouldn't have known."},{"startTime":913.461,"endTime":915.703,"body":"And again, I didn't play Final Fantasy seven as a kid either."},{"startTime":915.703,"endTime":917.314,"body":"I didn't have a PlayStation."},{"startTime":917.314,"endTime":918.775,"body":"I was Team Nintendo."},{"startTime":918.775,"endTime":925.56,"body":"So I played I played Final Fantasy again much later, probably I'll say me eight years ago"},{"startTime":918.775,"endTime":925.56,"body":"at this point."},{"startTime":925.56,"endTime":926.82,"body":"Maybe longer."},{"startTime":926.821,"endTime":929.012,"body":"Yeah, maybe maybe a bit longer, maybe 10 at this point."},{"startTime":929.012,"endTime":931.603,"body":"But definitely as a as an adult."},{"startTime":931.664,"endTime":933.605,"body":"And I played the original PlayStation version."},{"startTime":933.605,"endTime":935.166,"body":"That was the only thing available."},{"startTime":935.234,"endTime":943.366,"body":"And I characters always very felt very animated to me, which I can imagine in the West"},{"startTime":935.234,"endTime":943.366,"body":"would have been a little bit of a surprise."},{"startTime":943.366,"endTime":946.159,"body":"I don't think a lot of that was very prevalent at the time."},{"startTime":946.199,"endTime":950.861,"body":"So I'm curious how those those characters really made an impact for you."},{"startTime":950.861,"endTime":952.822,"body":"They definitely made an impact over here."},{"startTime":952.822,"endTime":960.815,"body":"I do remember a lot of big adverts for the game and, you know, front covers of magazines"},{"startTime":952.822,"endTime":960.815,"body":"with Cloud with the enormous sword."},{"startTime":960.815,"endTime":963.006,"body":"And of course, it was."},{"startTime":963.224,"endTime":968.988,"body":"really the first Final Fantasy game we ever got over here so it had to make that big"},{"startTime":963.224,"endTime":968.988,"body":"impression, that big impact."},{"startTime":968.988,"endTime":969.699,"body":"Sure."},{"startTime":969.699,"endTime":976.963,"body":"And a lot of the marketing was just saying, this is the PlayStation's biggest game, it"},{"startTime":969.699,"endTime":976.963,"body":"comes on three discs."},{"startTime":978.284,"endTime":981.016,"body":"It's so big it can't be on one disc, things like that."},{"startTime":981.016,"endTime":991.404,"body":"And then of course there's all of my friends at school repeating that marketing phrase and"},{"startTime":981.016,"endTime":991.404,"body":"then there's me saying, yeah I've got it on PC, mine's four discs, it's got an install"},{"startTime":991.404,"endTime":992.507,"body":"disc as well."},{"startTime":992.507,"endTime":995.842,"body":"That's so great, I love that."},{"startTime":1005.678,"endTime":1009.018,"body":"So, before we get into the story, I'd like to focus on character."},{"startTime":1009.018,"endTime":1014.358,"body":"Obviously, a much trimmer cast than Final Fantasy VI, but still a memorable one, of"},{"startTime":1009.018,"endTime":1014.358,"body":"course."},{"startTime":1014.518,"endTime":1023.598,"body":"We all, of course, remember Cloud as the main protagonist, but what were the characters"},{"startTime":1014.518,"endTime":1023.598,"body":"that you connected with when you were playing it of its time, and then maybe as you've"},{"startTime":1023.598,"endTime":1025.058,"body":"moved forward as well?"},{"startTime":1025.438,"endTime":1027.278,"body":"Yeah, it's kind of funny."},{"startTime":1027.278,"endTime":1033.238,"body":"It's the same as 97 as it is now, which is the game is about three characters for me."},{"startTime":1033.238,"endTime":1035.462,"body":"It is Cloud, Tifa, and Barret."},{"startTime":1036.539,"endTime":1039.72,"body":"And I didn't really connect with the rest of the cast."},{"startTime":1039.72,"endTime":1048.879,"body":"And honestly, I think that's like when I went after the, you know, the dust had settled"},{"startTime":1039.72,"endTime":1048.879,"body":"and I and I had kind of had time to think about the game and especially as Final Fantasy"},{"startTime":1048.879,"endTime":1051.931,"body":"eight came out and it also had a similarly small cast."},{"startTime":1051.992,"endTime":1062.34,"body":"I realized how disappointed I had been in the cast of Final Fantasy seven because one, it"},{"startTime":1051.992,"endTime":1062.34,"body":"was like literally half the size of Final Fantasy six is cast."},{"startTime":1062.46,"endTime":1062.8,"body":"Right."},{"startTime":1062.8,"endTime":1064.842,"body":"And then personality wise."},{"startTime":1064.91,"endTime":1070.11,"body":"You know, because also it's like, two of them are missable characters and one of them I"},{"startTime":1064.91,"endTime":1070.11,"body":"did miss my first time through."},{"startTime":1070.11,"endTime":1071.51,"body":"I didn't find Vincent."},{"startTime":1071.51,"endTime":1073.81,"body":"I had to like look up a guide later on."},{"startTime":1073.81,"endTime":1074.29,"body":"Oh, wow."},{"startTime":1074.29,"endTime":1074.49,"body":"OK."},{"startTime":1074.49,"endTime":1075.69,"body":"Play through to get him."},{"startTime":1076.87,"endTime":1078.83,"body":"so you can miss Vincent and Yuffie."},{"startTime":1078.83,"endTime":1083.37,"body":"And then you've got my least favorite, Sid."},{"startTime":1083.49,"endTime":1087.95,"body":"You've got Kate Sith, which I know I know it's catchy."},{"startTime":1087.95,"endTime":1089.43,"body":"I don't care."},{"startTime":1090.29,"endTime":1093.57,"body":"Like I just never cared for that character at all."},{"startTime":1095.254,"endTime":1101.954,"body":"I think he's got great moments, but I never really cared all that much for Red 13 either."},{"startTime":1102.074,"endTime":1115.094,"body":"like, and then, know, Aerith, like she was, I think at the beginning, like I never really,"},{"startTime":1102.074,"endTime":1115.094,"body":"you know, like don't get me wrong, I was devastated when the thing happened, but as far as"},{"startTime":1115.094,"endTime":1118.874,"body":"a character, it's like right off the bat, like I liked Tifa as a character more."},{"startTime":1118.874,"endTime":1120.012,"body":"And I think that-"},{"startTime":1120.012,"endTime":1125.275,"body":"The best thing that the remake series has done for me is make Aerith a more interesting"},{"startTime":1120.012,"endTime":1125.275,"body":"and character."},{"startTime":1125.275,"endTime":1126.235,"body":"Okay."},{"startTime":1126.235,"endTime":1135.63,"body":"So yeah, for me, it was very much like that trio and didn't really jive with the rest of"},{"startTime":1126.235,"endTime":1135.63,"body":"the cast."},{"startTime":1148.17,"endTime":1159.046,"body":"If Cloud and Sephiroth are the driving narrative force of Final Fantasy VII, you could"},{"startTime":1148.17,"endTime":1159.046,"body":"make an argument that's not exactly the case, but they're definitely the two largest"},{"startTime":1159.046,"endTime":1163.999,"body":"pillars, our next character may be the beating heart."},{"startTime":1163.999,"endTime":1177.266,"body":"And while one of the most popular and divisive Final Fantasy VII debates is Aerith versus"},{"startTime":1163.999,"endTime":1177.266,"body":"Tifa, in this round of conversations, the last of the Settra was easily the most debated."},{"startTime":1177.998,"endTime":1184.16,"body":"doesn't hurt she has one of the most iconic and memorable death scenes in video game"},{"startTime":1177.998,"endTime":1184.16,"body":"history."},{"startTime":1184.281,"endTime":1189.222,"body":"I suppose that helps sear your memory into people's minds."},{"startTime":1189.283,"endTime":1198.776,"body":"Starting our conversation about Aerith is Matt and Jeff of the Fun and Games podcast,"},{"startTime":1189.283,"endTime":1198.776,"body":"followed by content creator, Mikhail Casanova, and then Michael K."},{"startTime":1198.776,"endTime":1201.948,"body":"Hughes of the Capes and Junk podcast."},{"startTime":1201.948,"endTime":1207.554,"body":"Like, so I guess to rip the bandaid off first on the one big moment and then I'll talk"},{"startTime":1201.948,"endTime":1207.554,"body":"about one of my favorite smaller moments is like,"},{"startTime":1207.554,"endTime":1211.575,"body":"The death of Aerith, I just had never seen anything like that in a video game."},{"startTime":1211.575,"endTime":1217.937,"body":"Like, the closest thing was when Cloud dies, or not Cloud, when Chrono dies in Chrono"},{"startTime":1211.575,"endTime":1217.937,"body":"Trigger, and you're like, wait, the main character's dead?"},{"startTime":1217.937,"endTime":1219.627,"body":"What the hell do I do now?"},{"startTime":1219.627,"endTime":1225.039,"body":"And like, but even that, like, that was more impactful when you brought him back."},{"startTime":1225.039,"endTime":1227.129,"body":"And for me least, Marle hugs him."},{"startTime":1227.129,"endTime":1230.95,"body":"Like, that was impactful and emotional, but nothing compared to this."},{"startTime":1230.95,"endTime":1237.71,"body":"When that scene happens in Sephiroth, something that will always remain very strong in my"},{"startTime":1230.95,"endTime":1237.71,"body":"head is Aerith."},{"startTime":1237.71,"endTime":1246.113,"body":"Dropping like the sword going through her and her dropping limp slumped the slump Yeah, I"},{"startTime":1237.71,"endTime":1246.113,"body":"just I lost it."},{"startTime":1246.113,"endTime":1256.737,"body":"I was so upset I was and I cried through that whole scene and like I think it's just"},{"startTime":1246.113,"endTime":1256.737,"body":"There's almost there's there's no dialogue because there's no talking in the FMV scenes"},{"startTime":1256.738,"endTime":1263.22,"body":"it's all character expression and Music and I mean we haven't said it already."},{"startTime":1263.22,"endTime":1266.282,"body":"It's one of the best soundtracks, but erit's theme to this day."},{"startTime":1266.282,"endTime":1267.67,"body":"I've seen the"},{"startTime":1267.67,"endTime":1274.025,"body":"the Square Enix orchestra, the Final Fantasy orchestra several times, and every time they"},{"startTime":1267.67,"endTime":1274.025,"body":"play that, there's not a dry eye in the house."},{"startTime":1274.025,"endTime":1281.161,"body":"Because it's just, it's, I'm a music nerd, and music is so important to moments like that,"},{"startTime":1274.025,"endTime":1281.161,"body":"and this is the perfect score for that moment."},{"startTime":1281.161,"endTime":1285.385,"body":"And I think it's just, it's just beyond comparison."},{"startTime":1285.385,"endTime":1293.711,"body":"There's just, there are moments like it that have come, but I think to me, nothing as"},{"startTime":1285.385,"endTime":1293.711,"body":"impactful as that moment, because it's one of the first I've had."},{"startTime":1293.711,"endTime":1296.824,"body":"There are ones that have made me cry more, hit me harder."},{"startTime":1296.824,"endTime":1304.418,"body":"but there's something about this first moment that it was just unlike anything I'd ever"},{"startTime":1296.824,"endTime":1304.418,"body":"seen before."},{"startTime":1305.479,"endTime":1313.863,"body":"And what's so funny is the FMV itself, that moment is iconic, as well as it should be."},{"startTime":1313.983,"endTime":1324.739,"body":"And I think the limitations of the medium at the time preserved it because the temptation"},{"startTime":1313.983,"endTime":1324.739,"body":"to put voiceover in it, to put dialogue in it is strong and people give into that"},{"startTime":1324.739,"endTime":1326.42,"body":"temptation all the time."},{"startTime":1326.68,"endTime":1329.071,"body":"but it did play better because of that."},{"startTime":1329.071,"endTime":1330.852,"body":"It allowed us to feel."},{"startTime":1330.852,"endTime":1336.215,"body":"It's why fighting Jenova afterwards had no other battle music than Aerith's theme."},{"startTime":1336.215,"endTime":1345.3,"body":"And I think it's important in looking back on it or revisiting it to look at the moments"},{"startTime":1336.215,"endTime":1345.3,"body":"before and after that are honestly what make it such a big moment for me."},{"startTime":1345.54,"endTime":1353.144,"body":"The fact that beforehand, Sephiroth does kill Aerith, but you almost kill Aerith."},{"startTime":1353.224,"endTime":1356.896,"body":"You go forward to meet her and you lose control of Cloud."},{"startTime":1357.11,"endTime":1363.232,"body":"Now, video games have such a wonderful way of playing with control and playing with"},{"startTime":1357.11,"endTime":1363.232,"body":"watching versus playing."},{"startTime":1363.232,"endTime":1366.573,"body":"And Final Fantasy VII definitely does its fair share of watching."},{"startTime":1366.573,"endTime":1370.654,"body":"I would call it the movie of games if Metal Gear Solid didn't come out a year later."},{"startTime":1370.654,"endTime":1374.515,"body":"But it does still have a very cinematic feel."},{"startTime":1374.515,"endTime":1384.658,"body":"And so there is just as much of a panic and a worry of Cloud walking up to Aerith, pulling"},{"startTime":1374.515,"endTime":1384.658,"body":"out his sword, holding it over his head and suddenly being stopped and not giving in to"},{"startTime":1384.658,"endTime":1385.592,"body":"temptation."},{"startTime":1385.592,"endTime":1390.625,"body":"but you have to hit the action button for each of those motions."},{"startTime":1390.685,"endTime":1392.266,"body":"You don't move on in the story."},{"startTime":1392.266,"endTime":1395.768,"body":"Cloud is fighting and you pull out the sword."},{"startTime":1395.768,"endTime":1397.789,"body":"You get it in your hands."},{"startTime":1397.789,"endTime":1401.111,"body":"You pull it over your head and then everyone stops you."},{"startTime":1401.111,"endTime":1406.494,"body":"And you get to feel the relief of not going through like, my God, am I about to, what the"},{"startTime":1401.111,"endTime":1406.494,"body":"hell?"},{"startTime":1406.494,"endTime":1408.816,"body":"And then that being taken from you."},{"startTime":1408.816,"endTime":1413.608,"body":"And then after the fact, after you have that moment of watching the FMV Sephiroth,"},{"startTime":1413.74,"endTime":1417.814,"body":"starts to mock you as if you're nothing, as if you are simply a puppet."},{"startTime":1417.814,"endTime":1426.681,"body":"And the idea of playing with Cloud as a video game character is a puppet that you are"},{"startTime":1417.814,"endTime":1426.681,"body":"controlling that you have just played with by hitting the action button to do that scene I"},{"startTime":1426.681,"endTime":1427.582,"body":"just talked about."},{"startTime":1427.582,"endTime":1438.091,"body":"But also, having that said to you and really leaning into the powerlessness that you have"},{"startTime":1427.582,"endTime":1438.091,"body":"just experienced on several visceral levels."},{"startTime":1438.091,"endTime":1441.878,"body":"I don't care if that is a shape-shifting piece of Genova's tale."},{"startTime":1441.878,"endTime":1445.84,"body":"or actually the guy that we threw into a reactor five years ago or what?"},{"startTime":1445.84,"endTime":1448.242,"body":"I'm taking that fucker down."},{"startTime":1448.242,"endTime":1449.562,"body":"Absolutely, yeah."},{"startTime":1449.562,"endTime":1451.063,"body":"Yeah, I couldn't said it better myself."},{"startTime":1451.063,"endTime":1461.399,"body":"Yeah, it's one of those moments where it really defines, again, when I played it, I had"},{"startTime":1451.063,"endTime":1461.399,"body":"already been spoiled on it, two years after, but when the internet hit, became the worst"},{"startTime":1461.399,"endTime":1462.509,"body":"kept secret in games."},{"startTime":1462.509,"endTime":1469.805,"body":"However, it's still, I was able to appreciate it, and it's funny, Matt, how you said when"},{"startTime":1462.509,"endTime":1469.805,"body":"you play games, you try to just roll with it, right?"},{"startTime":1469.805,"endTime":1471.294,"body":"You're just like, just roll with it."},{"startTime":1471.598,"endTime":1479.398,"body":"It's very interesting how we all came at Final Fantasy 7 in a different way, because I was"},{"startTime":1471.598,"endTime":1479.398,"body":"in my early, very early 30s, late 20s, early 30s."},{"startTime":1479.398,"endTime":1481.938,"body":"I was doing film reviews like crazy."},{"startTime":1481.938,"endTime":1483.938,"body":"I was like my main side hustle were film reviews."},{"startTime":1483.938,"endTime":1486.378,"body":"So at that era in my life, I was very critical."},{"startTime":1486.378,"endTime":1490.318,"body":"Like 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situation about losing Arith?"},{"startTime":1538.242,"endTime":1540.841,"body":"Because obviously that is the big moment of this game."},{"startTime":1540.841,"endTime":1544.653,"body":"And you can't talk about Final Fantasy seven without talking about that moment."},{"startTime":1544.653,"endTime":1550.495,"body":"Do you recall what it was like when you first met first happened and what your reaction"},{"startTime":1544.653,"endTime":1550.495,"body":"was?"},{"startTime":1550.815,"endTime":1552.255,"body":"I was like."},{"startTime":1553.236,"endTime":1561.432,"body":"When it happened, because there was a lot and I guess at the time I didn't understand the"},{"startTime":1553.236,"endTime":1561.432,"body":"concept of foreshadowing."},{"startTime":1561.432,"endTime":1576.443,"body":"But there was a lot of things that happened about 20 minutes before that happened from"},{"startTime":1561.432,"endTime":1576.443,"body":"cloud losing his mind at the ancient temple and beating her up to when you got up to there"},{"startTime":1576.443,"endTime":1577.764,"body":"to see her, she was praying."},{"startTime":1577.764,"endTime":1580.376,"body":"He's like to, he's about to cut."},{"startTime":1580.376,"endTime":1584.419,"body":"I'm like, wait, wait, wait, what, what, why am I controlling this?"},{"startTime":1584.419,"endTime":1589.182,"body":"Can I, it freaks me out and yet"},{"startTime":1589.742,"endTime":1593.262,"body":"When it happened, you know, when they stopped, they're like, cloud stop."},{"startTime":1593.262,"endTime":1595.182,"body":"I was like, OK, cool."},{"startTime":1595.182,"endTime":1596.602,"body":"And then cut scene."},{"startTime":1596.602,"endTime":1598.062,"body":"Here comes Sephiroth."},{"startTime":1598.062,"endTime":1599.562,"body":"Shank smile."},{"startTime":1599.562,"endTime":1600.442,"body":"Ha ha."},{"startTime":1600.442,"endTime":1601.342,"body":"Gotcha."},{"startTime":1601.342,"endTime":1601.742,"body":"Same."},{"startTime":1601.742,"endTime":1603.242,"body":"And I'm like."},{"startTime":1604.262,"endTime":1605.122,"body":"What?"},{"startTime":1606.042,"endTime":1613.922,"body":"I remember I was sitting with my brother, my brother, Devin and our our older brother,"},{"startTime":1606.042,"endTime":1613.922,"body":"Nick, we were like they were just sitting watching."},{"startTime":1613.922,"endTime":1616.502,"body":"They were just like."},{"startTime":1616.682,"endTime":1617.682,"body":"WCF."},{"startTime":1617.802,"endTime":1618.602,"body":"What?"},{"startTime":1618.602,"endTime":1619.322,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":1619.392,"endTime":1620.112,"body":"And I'm over here."},{"startTime":1620.112,"endTime":1620.843,"body":"I dropped the control."},{"startTime":1620.843,"endTime":1626.392,"body":"I was like, Hey, wait, wait, wait, wait, how did that happen?"},{"startTime":1626.393,"endTime":1628.065,"body":"And then I was like, okay, okay."},{"startTime":1628.065,"endTime":1630.178,"body":"We just going to use Phoenix down and bring it back."},{"startTime":1630.178,"endTime":1631.241,"body":"No, she's gone."},{"startTime":1631.241,"endTime":1633.172,"body":"Then when cloud dropped her, was like,"},{"startTime":1634.808,"endTime":1635.978,"body":"They they."},{"startTime":1636.719,"endTime":1639.778,"body":"Hey, they killed a main character."},{"startTime":1639.778,"endTime":1640.843,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":1640.843,"endTime":1642.063,"body":"And like."},{"startTime":1642.614,"endTime":1648.128,"body":"this is befuddled because the only other game, the first game to ever."},{"startTime":1648.969,"endTime":1653.432,"body":"Do that, that is a traditional RPG is fantasy star two."},{"startTime":1653.872,"endTime":1659.576,"body":"With Ney, Ney got killed off and."},{"startTime":1660.417,"endTime":1661.538,"body":"It was."},{"startTime":1662.574,"endTime":1665.394,"body":"as emotional as it could be on Sega Genesis."},{"startTime":1665.394,"endTime":1667.114,"body":"I'll say that."},{"startTime":1667.634,"endTime":1670.574,"body":"But, you know, that that hit me hard."},{"startTime":1670.574,"endTime":1681.894,"body":"But like, this was just like, whoa, I went and did like the date with Aerith and I, you"},{"startTime":1670.574,"endTime":1681.894,"body":"you spend all this time with Aerith."},{"startTime":1681.894,"endTime":1687.454,"body":"I mean, you date Baron or Tiffa, but I always shipped Aerith with Cloud."},{"startTime":1687.454,"endTime":1688.274,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":1688.274,"endTime":1690.174,"body":"But like, I was like, wait."},{"startTime":1691.744,"endTime":1697.286,"body":"I just spent all this time grinding this character, learning about her, getting attached"},{"startTime":1691.744,"endTime":1697.286,"body":"to her, loving her personality."},{"startTime":1697.286,"endTime":1700.408,"body":"You just took her from me."},{"startTime":1700.408,"endTime":1701.038,"body":"Pardon?"},{"startTime":1701.038,"endTime":1701.678,"body":"Yeah, right."},{"startTime":1701.678,"endTime":1703.619,"body":"was like, wait, what?"},{"startTime":1703.619,"endTime":1704.019,"body":"Right."},{"startTime":1704.019,"endTime":1708.041,"body":"And I stopped playing the game for like two weeks because I was mad."},{"startTime":1709.081,"endTime":1711.452,"body":"I'm like, I remember I took it out."},{"startTime":1711.452,"endTime":1716.214,"body":"I took it out my PlayStation, put it back in the case and I went to my mom."},{"startTime":1716.214,"endTime":1718.225,"body":"said, hey, return this game, please."},{"startTime":1718.225,"endTime":1719.195,"body":"Wow."},{"startTime":1719.195,"endTime":1720.126,"body":"You were like, just this."},{"startTime":1720.126,"endTime":1720.878,"body":"I can't."},{"startTime":1720.878,"endTime":1723.379,"body":"I'm like, can't she's like, happened?"},{"startTime":1723.379,"endTime":1726.479,"body":"She's like, I can't return it because you can have it for several months."},{"startTime":1726.479,"endTime":1729.97,"body":"I'm like, they killed and I started crying."},{"startTime":1729.97,"endTime":1732.244,"body":"I'm like, they killed Aaron."},{"startTime":1732.834,"endTime":1733.805,"body":"no."},{"startTime":1733.805,"endTime":1735.245,"body":"I said, what?"},{"startTime":1735.786,"endTime":1736.486,"body":"She said, what?"},{"startTime":1736.486,"endTime":1737.386,"body":"What?"},{"startTime":1737.687,"endTime":1739.807,"body":"who is on the news?"},{"startTime":1740.028,"endTime":1742.809,"body":"No, it's on the game."},{"startTime":1746.638,"endTime":1748.578,"body":"Is it on the news?"},{"startTime":1749.238,"endTime":1754.438,"body":"It's so interesting because earlier you were saying how much you put into Aerith."},{"startTime":1754.438,"endTime":1755.778,"body":"You had maxed her out."},{"startTime":1755.778,"endTime":1757.478,"body":"That was your ride or die."},{"startTime":1757.478,"endTime":1760.838,"body":"You went on the trolley ride with her and the fireworks."},{"startTime":1760.838,"endTime":1762.438,"body":"You went on the date."},{"startTime":1762.697,"endTime":1764.218,"body":"You were in."},{"startTime":1765.438,"endTime":1768.378,"body":"And then to have her taken away."},{"startTime":1768.458,"endTime":1772.038,"body":"Yeah, can imagine that being a couple of weeks."},{"startTime":1772.038,"endTime":1773.018,"body":"Wow."},{"startTime":1773.918,"endTime":1774.598,"body":"I was mad."},{"startTime":1774.598,"endTime":1775.578,"body":"That's wild."},{"startTime":1775.578,"endTime":1776.858,"body":"I was mad."},{"startTime":1777.807,"endTime":1780.007,"body":"I didn't let that go that that."},{"startTime":1781.008,"endTime":1798.758,"body":"And then like be that really 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did you take on that moment when it it came around?"},{"startTime":2015.734,"endTime":2017.254,"body":"Like, yeah, you're absolutely right."},{"startTime":2017.254,"endTime":2019.614,"body":"Everyone knew about it well before."},{"startTime":2020.314,"endTime":2026.414,"body":"I mean, if you didn't play the game at the time, you knew the spoiler and I knew when it"},{"startTime":2020.314,"endTime":2026.414,"body":"was."},{"startTime":2026.562,"endTime":2028.963,"body":"knew I was completely prepared for it."},{"startTime":2028.963,"endTime":2033.346,"body":"But when it happens and her theme starts playing, it still choked me up."},{"startTime":2033.346,"endTime":2039.069,"body":"Like all of these years later, knowing full and well that it was coming, it still hits"},{"startTime":2033.346,"endTime":2039.069,"body":"like a truck."},{"startTime":2039.569,"endTime":2040.64,"body":"It really does."},{"startTime":2040.64,"endTime":2049.388,"body":"And I got to say, it's masterful how the 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effective."},{"startTime":2069.922,"endTime":2071.362,"body":"Music cue is perfect."},{"startTime":2071.362,"endTime":2076.662,"body":"It's just that it's lowering her into the water like no Phoenix down for you, my lady."},{"startTime":2076.662,"endTime":2079.482,"body":"Like that is you're sinking away."},{"startTime":2079.482,"endTime":2081.542,"body":"It's it's it's it's tough."},{"startTime":2082.522,"endTime":2084.135,"body":"Yeah, it's it's."},{"startTime":2084.135,"endTime":2094.573,"body":"Super emotional for for again again again with the story that I'm not super into it still"},{"startTime":2084.135,"endTime":2094.573,"body":"it still hurts No, that's that's that's totally fair for sure"},{"startTime":2104.814,"endTime":2114.478,"body":"Continuing our Aerith conversation with some truly personal recollections is Games with"},{"startTime":2104.814,"endTime":2114.478,"body":"Coffee, followed by Eddie Varell of the Boss Rush 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role in the role in the beginning when Genova arrived and"},{"startTime":2176.209,"endTime":2177.01,"body":"that sort of thing."},{"startTime":2177.01,"endTime":2185.153,"body":"And then you kind of get the sense that eventually, Aerith kind of knows what her destiny"},{"startTime":2177.01,"endTime":2185.153,"body":"is."},{"startTime":2186.924,"endTime":2192.316,"body":"She knows that, I'm gonna have to sacrifice myself in order to save the planet, in a"},{"startTime":2186.924,"endTime":2192.316,"body":"sense."},{"startTime":2192.316,"endTime":2201.23,"body":"And you you don't pick up that like right away, but as you keep playing it over and over"},{"startTime":2192.316,"endTime":2201.23,"body":"again, you you kind of realize that, shoot, she actually knows what's gonna happen to her."},{"startTime":2201.23,"endTime":2203.831,"body":"And she's just willingly walking towards that."},{"startTime":2203.831,"endTime":2206.462,"body":"She's like walking towards the executioner's chair."},{"startTime":2206.863,"endTime":2210.264,"body":"Like knowing that her time is very short."},{"startTime":2211.024,"endTime":2215.156,"body":"So that made her super relatable because she just..."},{"startTime":2215.156,"endTime":2220.671,"body":"She lives as though every day is her last and in her mind, she knows every day is her"},{"startTime":2215.156,"endTime":2220.671,"body":"last."},{"startTime":2220.671,"endTime":2221.192,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":2221.192,"endTime":2222.202,"body":"In many cases."},{"startTime":2222.202,"endTime":2223.874,"body":"Because she sees the finish line almost."},{"startTime":2223.874,"endTime":2226.606,"body":"She understands what's going to happen."},{"startTime":2226.606,"endTime":2229.209,"body":"It's really touching and really challenging."},{"startTime":2229.209,"endTime":2236.005,"body":"But I want to actually go back to that Aerith moment because obviously that's the one"},{"startTime":2229.209,"endTime":2236.005,"body":"that's it's a top 10 moment in games probably."},{"startTime":2236.005,"endTime":2240.569,"body":"mean, I'm not good at lists, but that's kind of where I'd probably put it."},{"startTime":2240.569,"endTime":2241.966,"body":"And it's up there."},{"startTime":2241.966,"endTime":2246.306,"body":"Do you remember what it was like experiencing that as a 10 year old?"},{"startTime":2246.466,"endTime":2248.146,"body":"Oh my god, okay."},{"startTime":2248.146,"endTime":2252.706,"body":"So, I mean I was actually kind of like roughly 11-ish during this time."},{"startTime":2252.706,"endTime":2253.166,"body":"Yep."},{"startTime":2253.166,"endTime":2255.806,"body":"Because I didn't get to play any video games during the week."},{"startTime":2255.806,"endTime":2264.646,"body":"was mostly weekends and the first time I got Final Fantasy 7 it was a rental and I didn't"},{"startTime":2255.806,"endTime":2264.646,"body":"have a memory card so..."},{"startTime":2264.646,"endTime":2270.79,"body":"So I would play through the beginning of the beginning sequence of that game like over and"},{"startTime":2264.646,"endTime":2270.79,"body":"over and over again until I got a memory card but..."},{"startTime":2271.074,"endTime":2277.879,"body":"Far, far flung in the future, about a year or so later, we get to the point in the"},{"startTime":2271.074,"endTime":2277.879,"body":"Forgotten Capital."},{"startTime":2278.14,"endTime":2288.948,"body":"This was just after Cloud hands over the Black Materia to Sephiroth and attacks Aerith in"},{"startTime":2278.14,"endTime":2288.948,"body":"a fit of uncontrollable rage."},{"startTime":2289.95,"endTime":2300.198,"body":"They find themselves in the Forgotten Capital all the way in the northern Icicle area"},{"startTime":2289.95,"endTime":2300.198,"body":"continent and..."},{"startTime":2301.452,"endTime":2302.513,"body":"Yeah, like..."},{"startTime":2304.558,"endTime":2318.138,"body":"Man, I'm thinking about it again, and I remember I was sitting in the living 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this."},{"startTime":2399.566,"endTime":2406.066,"body":"Jumps over the pillars that are sitting in the water underneath the dais."},{"startTime":2407.506,"endTime":2412.526,"body":"And I remember, I'm like, what is going on?"},{"startTime":2412.526,"endTime":2421.106,"body":"And then you approach Aerith and then all of sudden, Cloud just like, he suffers another"},{"startTime":2412.526,"endTime":2421.106,"body":"one of his seizures."},{"startTime":2421.294,"endTime":2425.494,"body":"and walks back, draws his sword and I'm like, Claude, what are you doing?"},{"startTime":2425.494,"endTime":2426.474,"body":"No, don't do it, what are doing, man?"},{"startTime":2426.474,"endTime":2427.334,"body":"What are you doing?"},{"startTime":2427.594,"endTime":2431.934,"body":"Turns around, walks up to Aerith and I couldn't do nothing."},{"startTime":2432.054,"endTime":2435.574,"body":"I'm trying to move him away, but he would not move."},{"startTime":2437.154,"endTime":2445.214,"body":"It's interesting how in that moment you have no control over his actions throughout the"},{"startTime":2437.154,"endTime":2445.214,"body":"entire game during that time."},{"startTime":2445.694,"endTime":2450.894,"body":"You were mostly in control of Claude, but in that moment,"},{"startTime":2451.426,"endTime":2455.448,"body":"The game shifts that narrative and says no you're not in control anymore."},{"startTime":2455.448,"endTime":2464.764,"body":"You're not in control anymore like no cloud is under control under the influence of"},{"startTime":2455.448,"endTime":2464.764,"body":"someone else and that's someone else being Sephiroth or really Genova in that case Another"},{"startTime":2464.764,"endTime":2473.318,"body":"bucket another bucket of worms so it's holding the sword above his head and he's about to"},{"startTime":2464.764,"endTime":2473.318,"body":"strike and Tifa's like no God don't do it or well would be any other party member But I"},{"startTime":2473.318,"endTime":2477.201,"body":"remember I remember specifically as Tifa because like she was always in my main party."},{"startTime":2477.201,"endTime":2478.321,"body":"I love Tifa"},{"startTime":2479.872,"endTime":2491.035,"body":"And she's like that and then cuts to the CGI scene when Sephiroth buries the massamine"},{"startTime":2479.872,"endTime":2491.035,"body":"right into her stomach and is like, there's no way, no phoenix down in the world is gonna"},{"startTime":2491.035,"endTime":2492.349,"body":"save you this time."},{"startTime":2494.05,"endTime":2496.312,"body":"But I remember that feeling."},{"startTime":2496.312,"endTime":2497.973,"body":"I was in shock."},{"startTime":2497.973,"endTime":2502.505,"body":"was like, what?"},{"startTime":2502.505,"endTime":2506.778,"body":"I remember I was just globsmacked and then I didn't play the game for almost two 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like"},{"startTime":2567.246,"endTime":2569.606,"body":"What could I have done differently?"},{"startTime":2569.826,"endTime":2576.026,"body":"It's exactly like the quote, if I knew this was coming, I would have done things"},{"startTime":2569.826,"endTime":2576.026,"body":"differently, but what could I have done differently?"},{"startTime":2576.886,"endTime":2581.286,"body":"Could I go through the game again and do things differently?"},{"startTime":2581.566,"endTime":2583.386,"body":"What would I do?"},{"startTime":2583.465,"endTime":2585.286,"body":"But eventually I picked it back up again."},{"startTime":2585.286,"endTime":2586.846,"body":"I played through that part."},{"startTime":2587.186,"endTime":2594.326,"body":"I used a water ring that I picked up earlier to basically nullify all of Jenova's attacks."},{"startTime":2594.326,"endTime":2596.006,"body":"I can actually get through that sequence."},{"startTime":2596.006,"endTime":2597.366,"body":"It's like, all right, we're good."},{"startTime":2597.622,"endTime":2604.426,"body":"And then it just goes from bad to worse to really messed up."},{"startTime":2606.907,"endTime":2609.529,"body":"And it just keeps hitting you."},{"startTime":2609.909,"endTime":2612.41,"body":"And it's funny too, it goes back to life."},{"startTime":2613.331,"endTime":2623.087,"body":"You have the good parts where you have that dating sequence where you're at the gold"},{"startTime":2613.331,"endTime":2623.087,"body":"saucer, you're on top of the world, you have your friends beside you, you're sitting with"},{"startTime":2623.087,"endTime":2624.497,"body":"the girl of your dreams."},{"startTime":2625.378,"endTime":2630.26,"body":"fireworks are going off and you feel like nothing, nothing bad can happen to you."},{"startTime":2630.8,"endTime":2636.923,"body":"And then you're just on this roller coaster where everything that can happen will happen."},{"startTime":2637.423,"endTime":2641.245,"body":"That's like the Murphy's law of 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where they were in the..."},{"startTime":2683.842,"endTime":2688.685,"body":"the flashback sequence where Sephiroth comes and says, yeah, no, you're not in this"},{"startTime":2683.842,"endTime":2688.685,"body":"picture."},{"startTime":2688.825,"endTime":2690.867,"body":"You're not in this picture during that sequence."},{"startTime":2690.867,"endTime":2695.59,"body":"This is actually Zack and you're nowhere near this."},{"startTime":2695.61,"endTime":2703.695,"body":"All of your memories, all of the stuff that you say happened five years ago, you were"},{"startTime":2695.61,"endTime":2703.695,"body":"never there."},{"startTime":2703.896,"endTime":2707.298,"body":"it's so messed up."},{"startTime":2707.298,"endTime":2713.632,"body":"this guy just tell you, it's like everything that you're thinking right now, it didn't"},{"startTime":2707.298,"endTime":2713.632,"body":"exist."},{"startTime":2713.9,"endTime":2716.318,"body":"Like, that's scary."},{"startTime":2729.23,"endTime":2735.35,"body":"So as you were playing the game, are there any characters that you immediately attached to"},{"startTime":2729.23,"endTime":2735.35,"body":"when you were playing it?"},{"startTime":2735.35,"endTime":2739.73,"body":"Like, were there any characters that you were like, you had to almost identified with in a"},{"startTime":2735.35,"endTime":2739.73,"body":"certain way?"},{"startTime":2740.65,"endTime":2743.95,"body":"So definitely Aerith, I did."},{"startTime":2743.95,"endTime":2748.15,"body":"And I identified with her because of her pureness."},{"startTime":2748.59,"endTime":2751.57,"body":"Her pureness, should say."},{"startTime":2751.57,"endTime":2752.51,"body":"Her purity."},{"startTime":2753.05,"endTime":2759.106,"body":"Her humbleness and like her being just a genuine nice person."},{"startTime":2759.106,"endTime":2772.662,"body":"that she cared for everybody and that kind of represents like I'm gonna say my motive but"},{"startTime":2759.106,"endTime":2772.662,"body":"like my morals and stuff it's like being nice to people helping them out when I have a"},{"startTime":2772.662,"endTime":2788.118,"body":"chance to help them out being thankful for the people that you meet and everything and"},{"startTime":2772.662,"endTime":2788.118,"body":"everyone just had aura to her that just attracted people to her like there was never if"},{"startTime":2788.118,"endTime":2788.758,"body":"you"},{"startTime":2789.15,"endTime":2800.473,"body":"Final Fantasy 7 there was never no one hated on her like she became Really for a lot of"},{"startTime":2789.15,"endTime":2800.473,"body":"minor characters modern characters for gamers."},{"startTime":2800.473,"endTime":2817.07,"body":"She became an icon Across the board no matter what No matter where you came from once you"},{"startTime":2800.473,"endTime":2817.07,"body":"learned about earth She was almost the equivalent to 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iconic."},{"startTime":2847.646,"endTime":2852.186,"body":"So definitely, Aerith, I felt attached to."},{"startTime":2852.186,"endTime":2855.086,"body":"I feel like that represents a lot about me."},{"startTime":2855.166,"endTime":2859.566,"body":"Let's jump into Aerith because that was definitely going to be on the list of those big"},{"startTime":2855.166,"endTime":2859.566,"body":"moments to talk about."},{"startTime":2859.566,"endTime":2863.286,"body":"It's impossible to talk about Final Fantasy 7 without mentioning that moment."},{"startTime":2863.286,"endTime":2865.186,"body":"How did that hit you of the day?"},{"startTime":2865.186,"endTime":2867.646,"body":"And I'd love to hear more of your thoughts about it."},{"startTime":2867.686,"endTime":2870.506,"body":"My job was on the floor."},{"startTime":2870.546,"endTime":2871.606,"body":"I could imagine."},{"startTime":2871.606,"endTime":2873.206,"body":"I could googly moogly 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didn't resonate in the store in the story but when"},{"startTime":2915.085,"endTime":2929.465,"body":"Sephiroth came down and stabbed her and you see it go through her and the Material that's"},{"startTime":2929.465,"endTime":2930.716,"body":"in her head."},{"startTime":2930.716,"endTime":2934.348,"body":"Yeah false and then just seeing"},{"startTime":2935.01,"endTime":2942.495,"body":"Cloud grab her, you know, her body and stuff and then just lay her in the water and go"},{"startTime":2935.01,"endTime":2942.495,"body":"down."},{"startTime":2942.495,"endTime":2947.619,"body":"It was such a pivotal moment in storytelling and narrative."},{"startTime":2947.619,"endTime":2957.755,"body":"It really was going for an emotional beat that you really didn't catch in games and stuff"},{"startTime":2947.619,"endTime":2957.755,"body":"like that."},{"startTime":2957.755,"endTime":2964.63,"body":"Even though that sacrifice and death in role playing games happened here for"},{"startTime":2964.902,"endTime":2970.263,"body":"ages, Fantasy Star 2 on the Sega Master System."},{"startTime":2970.364,"endTime":2980.486,"body":"Watch the, I know some people won't play it, but if you play the ending of that game, you"},{"startTime":2970.364,"endTime":2980.486,"body":"will see the sacrifices that was made in that game."},{"startTime":2980.486,"endTime":2992.952,"body":"So it's not a new concept or thing, but just seeing your well-connected character in"},{"startTime":2980.486,"endTime":2992.952,"body":"everything that you just love, that you kept using, that you was grinding."},{"startTime":2992.952,"endTime":3000.705,"body":"putting all this time and effort invested in her all to slip away for part of a story."},{"startTime":3000.705,"endTime":3002.256,"body":"Yeah, that's tough."},{"startTime":3002.256,"endTime":3002.886,"body":"That's that."},{"startTime":3002.886,"endTime":3004.107,"body":"That's yeah."},{"startTime":3004.107,"endTime":3013.03,"body":"That that was a change in video games and storytelling for definitely for RPGs."},{"startTime":3013.21,"endTime":3019.633,"body":"Of course, you see other games do do it and take take things like that."},{"startTime":3019.633,"endTime":3021.614,"body":"Gets Award three."},{"startTime":3023.178,"endTime":3034.305,"body":"when what's his name sacrifices himself so markets and them could continue on with the"},{"startTime":3023.178,"endTime":3034.305,"body":"mission he got in the little van and drove and stuff and that's after too after he seen"},{"startTime":3034.305,"endTime":3049.11,"body":"his wife died and he had to kill his wife so yeah it's like it's it it that death scene"},{"startTime":3034.305,"endTime":3049.11,"body":"was so powerful like everybody who's seen it some people cry"},{"startTime":3049.11,"endTime":3055.596,"body":"Some people was gagged, they could not say nothing and don't forget this is an era where"},{"startTime":3049.11,"endTime":3055.596,"body":"you couldn't say 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more payments of $9.99 a month, you can save Eris!"},{"startTime":3446.414,"endTime":3449.714,"body":"I remember that meme with the remake."},{"startTime":3450.494,"endTime":3454.834,"body":"It was like, oh, what was it?"},{"startTime":3454.834,"endTime":3455.406,"body":"Perj-"},{"startTime":3455.406,"endTime":3463.526,"body":"It was an in-game purchase for saving Aaron that had the director just rolling in money."},{"startTime":3464.526,"endTime":3465.026,"body":"Yep."},{"startTime":3465.026,"endTime":3465.266,"body":"Yep."},{"startTime":3465.266,"endTime":3466.626,"body":"That's exactly what it would be."},{"startTime":3466.626,"endTime":3470.806,"body":"All you have to do is sell that and you could sell it for any amount of money for"},{"startTime":3466.626,"endTime":3470.806,"body":"anything."},{"startTime":3471.146,"endTime":3471.965,"body":"Anything."},{"startTime":3472.006,"endTime":3473.666,"body":"that a king's ransom."},{"startTime":3473.746,"endTime":3474.726,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":3475.232,"endTime":3478.465,"body":"So that reminds me just before we move on."},{"startTime":3478.465,"endTime":3480.527,"body":"Now, I go reminds me of something."},{"startTime":3480.527,"endTime":3488.513,"body":"So I won't give away the really sad part of this until until it's time the end of it for"},{"startTime":3480.527,"endTime":3488.513,"body":"the big reveal."},{"startTime":3488.894,"endTime":3498.346,"body":"So I saw a video and most people know like the L1 R1."},{"startTime":3498.346,"endTime":3500.467,"body":"and it's either circle or square that you push."},{"startTime":3500.467,"endTime":3504.508,"body":"But if you're on certain screens in the game, like it makes something special happen."},{"startTime":3504.508,"endTime":3515.751,"body":"I think the most famous example is if you're at the horror hotel in Gold Saucer, it makes"},{"startTime":3504.508,"endTime":3515.751,"body":"a bat fly at 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this guy like says he found it and what happens is like he's"},{"startTime":3553.526,"endTime":3564.274,"body":"explaining like how the mechanic works and like each screen and what everybody's found"},{"startTime":3564.274,"endTime":3578.734,"body":"previous to that and then he explains a glitch in the game wherein if you well it's a it's"},{"startTime":3564.274,"endTime":3578.734,"body":"a glitch that he tries to explain is how it actually isn't it was considered a glitch"},{"startTime":3578.734,"endTime":3582.112,"body":"because if you go back to Midgar"},{"startTime":3582.112,"endTime":3588.647,"body":"at the end of the game after Eris has died, you see her like tending the flowers in the"},{"startTime":3582.112,"endTime":3588.647,"body":"church, right?"},{"startTime":3588.647,"endTime":3595.691,"body":"And there's two kids there, but if you walk up to her, like if you make any motion towards"},{"startTime":3588.647,"endTime":3595.691,"body":"her at all, she flashes and disappears."},{"startTime":3596.452,"endTime":3601.416,"body":"And it's meant to be like this thing where, she's gone."},{"startTime":3601.416,"endTime":3602.897,"body":"She's actually gone."},{"startTime":3602.897,"endTime":3607.13,"body":"If you talk to one of the little, I think it was like the little boys, like where did the"},{"startTime":3602.897,"endTime":3607.13,"body":"flower girl go?"},{"startTime":3607.13,"endTime":3609.161,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":3609.631,"endTime":3611.092,"body":"that's weird."},{"startTime":3611.314,"endTime":3619.057,"body":"If you go to the church after defeating Emerald Weapon, she does not disappear."},{"startTime":3619.638,"endTime":3620.608,"body":"She remains solid."},{"startTime":3620.608,"endTime":3623.899,"body":"There's not even a sound effect."},{"startTime":3623.94,"endTime":3629.522,"body":"in the video, this guy's like, no, that's not, that's not a thing."},{"startTime":3629.522,"endTime":3631.703,"body":"And he hits the buttons and nothing happens."},{"startTime":3631.703,"endTime":3634.884,"body":"He's like, yeah, I knew nothing would happen."},{"startTime":3634.884,"endTime":3639.616,"body":"And then he pulls out his controller and puts it in the second controller port and he's"},{"startTime":3634.884,"endTime":3639.616,"body":"like,"},{"startTime":3640.6,"endTime":3641.69,"body":"They wouldn't."},{"startTime":3642.451,"endTime":3644.471,"body":"No, they wouldn't."},{"startTime":3644.532,"endTime":3652.835,"body":"And he hits the buttons and suddenly the screen starts to go halfway inverted on the"},{"startTime":3644.532,"endTime":3652.835,"body":"colors and it becomes a horror movie."},{"startTime":3653.025,"endTime":3654.316,"body":"no."},{"startTime":3654.316,"endTime":3656.567,"body":"And here's the best part."},{"startTime":3656.567,"endTime":3661.799,"body":"They start having a conversation where Cloud is like, but I thought you were gone."},{"startTime":3662.299,"endTime":3663.35,"body":"you mean you 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right."},{"startTime":4252.778,"endTime":4255.558,"body":"There is a lot of, there's a lot of that connection."},{"startTime":4269.112,"endTime":4283.175,"body":"Tifa as well was another great story just because she's always like trying to, she's"},{"startTime":4269.112,"endTime":4283.175,"body":"essentially like his helper through the whole thing."},{"startTime":4283.175,"endTime":4292.202,"body":"Like she's the reason that he sort of passes half the time for being, for lack of a better"},{"startTime":4283.175,"endTime":4292.202,"body":"word, Yeah."},{"startTime":4293.684,"endTime":4296.524,"body":"You know, because without her, I feel like..."},{"startTime":4296.524,"endTime":4298.615,"body":"Most of the party members would have figured it out."},{"startTime":4298.615,"endTime":4302.918,"body":"I feel like Kate Sith is on the verge of figuring it out before he has his breakdown."},{"startTime":4302.918,"endTime":4305.819,"body":"Yeah That's fair."},{"startTime":4305.979,"endTime":4319.307,"body":"Yeah, know she was absolutely propping him up and just Going along with his narrative for"},{"startTime":4305.979,"endTime":4319.307,"body":"most of it because she knows stuff is wrong and well Not to get into it that much but the"},{"startTime":4319.307,"endTime":4325.49,"body":"remake does a really good job of exemplifying how much she helps and"},{"startTime":4353.23,"endTime":4360.07,"body":"Next up, Games with Coffee and the Let's Play Princess share some thoughts about Red13 and"},{"startTime":4353.23,"endTime":4360.07,"body":"Kate Sith."},{"startTime":4360.13,"endTime":4367.67,"body":"The fact they are the only two animal characters in our cast is a pure coincidence I"},{"startTime":4360.13,"endTime":4367.67,"body":"literally just realized."},{"startTime":4367.67,"endTime":4369.35,"body":"So, let's listen in."},{"startTime":4369.35,"endTime":4374.21,"body":"Were there any other characters that you identified with really deeply when you were a kid"},{"startTime":4369.35,"endTime":4374.21,"body":"or again even as you play it now?"},{"startTime":4374.21,"endTime":4375.59,"body":"Obviously things change."},{"startTime":4375.63,"endTime":4377.57,"body":"I mean, yeah, let's see."},{"startTime":4377.57,"endTime":4381.926,"body":"As a kid, again, yeah, of course Cloud, but..."},{"startTime":4381.998,"endTime":4384.418,"body":"Who else?"},{"startTime":4385.738,"endTime":4389.718,"body":"I'm really trying to stretch back here to the past."},{"startTime":4390.498,"endTime":4392.998,"body":"I'd say, know, in many cases, Red 13."},{"startTime":4393.298,"endTime":4400.858,"body":"I mean, growing up, you know, I didn't really have a very positive view of my parents."},{"startTime":4400.858,"endTime":4402.398,"body":"I mean, I was 11 years old."},{"startTime":4402.398,"endTime":4407.498,"body":"My dad was working a lot on night shifts and stuff like that during that time."},{"startTime":4407.678,"endTime":4410.278,"body":"So it was kind of hard to identify with him."},{"startTime":4410.278,"endTime":4412.23,"body":"you know, seeing Red"},{"startTime":4412.49,"endTime":4417.75,"body":"Seeing Red Thread Green's story through his eyes and kind of realizing that, you know, he"},{"startTime":4412.49,"endTime":4417.75,"body":"does these things for a reason."},{"startTime":4417.75,"endTime":4421.47,"body":"It kind of gave me bit of more appreciation for what he did."},{"startTime":4421.47,"endTime":4424.49,"body":"In many cases, like, don't get me wrong."},{"startTime":4424.49,"endTime":4431.41,"body":"He's not exactly the most perfect person in the world, but I mean, he's still my dad and"},{"startTime":4424.49,"endTime":4431.41,"body":"he did his best."},{"startTime":4431.41,"endTime":4433.87,"body":"And you know, I will never forget that, what he did."},{"startTime":4442.286,"endTime":4449.526,"body":"What are some of the characters that you connected with or really fell in love with in"},{"startTime":4442.286,"endTime":4449.526,"body":"Final Fantasy VII?"},{"startTime":4449.766,"endTime":4451.546,"body":"Kate Sith, he's so huggable."},{"startTime":4451.826,"endTime":4456.086,"body":"Kate Sith is adorable and awesome and a cat."},{"startTime":4456.106,"endTime":4465.066,"body":"I actually, if we didn't name my black cat Poe, Kate Sith would have been another good"},{"startTime":4456.106,"endTime":4465.066,"body":"choice of a name for our black main coon."},{"startTime":4465.486,"endTime":4468.91,"body":"it's, yeah, that's cool."},{"startTime":4468.91,"endTime":4470.63,"body":"Yeah, super huggable and adorable."},{"startTime":4470.63,"endTime":4478.09,"body":"Yeah, it's, it's I mean, my main party for every iteration through at least in the"},{"startTime":4470.63,"endTime":4478.09,"body":"original game was the three C's."},{"startTime":4478.09,"endTime":4480.87,"body":"It was Cloud, Sid and Kate, Seth."},{"startTime":4480.87,"endTime":4481.89,"body":"Oh, cool."},{"startTime":4482.77,"endTime":4493.39,"body":"Nowadays, especially with the currently now rebirth, it was Cloud, Yuffie and Red 13."},{"startTime":4494.01,"endTime":4494.87,"body":"Really?"},{"startTime":4495.27,"endTime":4496.17,"body":"Interesting."},{"startTime":4496.87,"endTime":4497.65,"body":"You'll see."},{"startTime":4497.742,"endTime":4499.322,"body":"You'll see if you ever play rebirth."},{"startTime":4499.322,"endTime":4501.462,"body":"Yuffie is broken."},{"startTime":4501.662,"endTime":4502.422,"body":"Oh really?"},{"startTime":4502.422,"endTime":4505.262,"body":"really?"},{"startTime":4505.262,"endTime":4505.702,"body":"Wow."},{"startTime":4505.702,"endTime":4516.802,"body":"She, she has two, uh, two abilities that she can use that pretty much just go, Hey, would"},{"startTime":4505.702,"endTime":4516.802,"body":"you like your basic attack to be any elemental damage you desire?"},{"startTime":4516.822,"endTime":4521.122,"body":"Hey, would you like to make a clone of yourself who does 50 % damage?"},{"startTime":4521.322,"endTime":4522.342,"body":"Whoa."},{"startTime":4522.382,"endTime":4522.902,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":4522.902,"endTime":4527.008,"body":"So she just gets, you know, 1.5 damage plus"},{"startTime":4527.008,"endTime":4530.339,"body":"Elemental damage and she just she just melts things."},{"startTime":4530.339,"endTime":4532.53,"body":"It's great That's crazy."},{"startTime":4532.53,"endTime":4543.455,"body":"Okay, I didn't I realized she was so overpowered in a rebirth and not an optional thing"},{"startTime":4532.53,"endTime":4543.455,"body":"She's in the game Okay, so you have to you have to run with her."},{"startTime":4543.455,"endTime":4543.901,"body":"That's cool."},{"startTime":4543.901,"endTime":4547.176,"body":"Yeah, you have to run with her She will just join your party."},{"startTime":4547.176,"endTime":4549.467,"body":"She is not some hidden boss fight."},{"startTime":4549.467,"endTime":4555.79,"body":"Go to Wu-Tai do a bunch of stuff there interesting interesting Any other characters you"},{"startTime":4549.467,"endTime":4555.79,"body":"really?"},{"startTime":4555.79,"endTime":4565.31,"body":"kind of connected with you said case it because case this adorable in case it's just"},{"startTime":4555.79,"endTime":4565.31,"body":"because cat on a giant stuffed giant Google awesome you have read 13."},{"startTime":4565.31,"endTime":4567.17,"body":"But 13 is cool."},{"startTime":4567.37,"endTime":4576.95,"body":"But also because he is such a child he's actually a kid in their races timeline."},{"startTime":4577.93,"endTime":4584.71,"body":"Because even in Advent Children the very first scene of Advent Children is something like"},{"startTime":4577.93,"endTime":4584.71,"body":"400 to 500 years later and"},{"startTime":4584.93,"endTime":4588.057,"body":"He's still alive with kids."},{"startTime":4588.059,"endTime":4591.166,"body":"Which means at this point he's pretty much a teenager."},{"startTime":4594.158,"endTime":4594.978,"body":"Yeah, totally."},{"startTime":4594.978,"endTime":4595.518,"body":"That's true."},{"startTime":4595.518,"endTime":4596.798,"body":"That's a really good point."},{"startTime":4596.838,"endTime":4597.998,"body":"That's a really good point."},{"startTime":4597.998,"endTime":4601.098,"body":"I don't remember a lot of the Red 13 story."},{"startTime":4601.718,"endTime":4611.658,"body":"He finds he believed his entire life, or a good amount of it, that his father ran away"},{"startTime":4601.718,"endTime":4611.658,"body":"from the duty of protecting Cosmo Canyon."},{"startTime":4611.658,"endTime":4623.478,"body":"And then we finally find out once we beat Gienatic and find the quote unquote statue that"},{"startTime":4611.658,"endTime":4623.478,"body":"his father was"},{"startTime":4623.724,"endTime":4630.176,"body":"struck by so many of the stone petrifying arrows that the Gi use."},{"startTime":4631.056,"endTime":4639.539,"body":"And he was there to the very end and now he stands as this still alive statue protector."},{"startTime":4640.259,"endTime":4644.791,"body":"And all I can think is the same thing with what everybody thought when Aerith died."},{"startTime":4644.791,"endTime":4645.787,"body":"Hey, just use a phoenix down."},{"startTime":4645.787,"endTime":4647.241,"body":"It's like, hey, just use a gold needle."},{"startTime":4647.241,"endTime":4648.682,"body":"Come on, guys."},{"startTime":4649.926,"endTime":4652.817,"body":"I know we have we have tools for these problems."},{"startTime":4652.817,"endTime":4654.588,"body":"You're exactly you're so right."},{"startTime":4654.588,"endTime":4670.114,"body":"We have said we have tools for this This isn't a useless item like the tissue and the"},{"startTime":4654.588,"endTime":4670.114,"body":"135th size model of a Shinra soldier Come on use this stuff Use the tools."},{"startTime":4670.114,"endTime":4671.655,"body":"We know we have some in the inventory."},{"startTime":4671.655,"endTime":4679.158,"body":"I've been saving them for hours now for just this occasion That's a really good point I"},{"startTime":4671.655,"endTime":4679.158,"body":"love that"},{"startTime":4679.352,"endTime":4681.651,"body":"that the story dictates otherwise."},{"startTime":4691.0,"endTime":4698.575,"body":"Coming up next, Mike from Distorted Illuminations and Games with Coffee discuss Barret,"},{"startTime":4691.0,"endTime":4698.575,"body":"Yuffie, and Sid."},{"startTime":4698.575,"endTime":4703.549,"body":"Interesting, and did you not find the characters interesting from a story perspective or"},{"startTime":4698.575,"endTime":4703.549,"body":"was it?"},{"startTime":4703.549,"endTime":4704.729,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":4704.729,"endTime":4705.74,"body":"It was a mixed bag."},{"startTime":4705.74,"endTime":4707.061,"body":"Okay."},{"startTime":4707.742,"endTime":4710.323,"body":"Cloud was okay."},{"startTime":4710.323,"endTime":4711.964,"body":"He's an all right lead."},{"startTime":4712.485,"endTime":4714.606,"body":"I didn't really connect with him that much."},{"startTime":4716.598,"endTime":4719.54,"body":"I didn't care too much for Eryth and Thea either."},{"startTime":4719.54,"endTime":4722.101,"body":"Like okay characters."},{"startTime":4722.762,"endTime":4724.043,"body":"I really liked Barret."},{"startTime":4724.043,"endTime":4725.284,"body":"Okay, so you were a Barret guy."},{"startTime":4725.284,"endTime":4728.186,"body":"What about Barret really intrigued you?"},{"startTime":4728.586,"endTime":4729.137,"body":"Two things."},{"startTime":4729.137,"endTime":4736.371,"body":"One, he actually did fulfill a comedic side role when necessary very well."},{"startTime":4736.832,"endTime":4738.338,"body":"He was very funny."},{"startTime":4738.338,"endTime":4746.338,"body":"I also always had a thing for characters that are just that openly passionate about"},{"startTime":4738.338,"endTime":4746.338,"body":"whatever it is they're doing."},{"startTime":4746.69,"endTime":4755.012,"body":"Hmm and he had more passion in those early moments of Final Fantasy 7 than anyone else on"},{"startTime":4746.69,"endTime":4755.012,"body":"that cast That's a fair point, especially in the early moments."},{"startTime":4755.012,"endTime":4756.653,"body":"He really believes in the mission."},{"startTime":4756.653,"endTime":4765.855,"body":"Yeah Where everybody else kind of this not everybody else especially cloud here for"},{"startTime":4756.653,"endTime":4765.855,"body":"piloting He's kind of there just for the check."},{"startTime":4765.855,"endTime":4766.735,"body":"That's interesting."},{"startTime":4766.735,"endTime":4774.377,"body":"Yeah characters I do kind of like and stills they go on like Red eight I enjoyed I could"},{"startTime":4766.735,"endTime":4774.377,"body":"do without you fee."},{"startTime":4774.438,"endTime":4775.758,"body":"I don't hate her"},{"startTime":4777.186,"endTime":4778.788,"body":"She didn't really need to be there."},{"startTime":4778.788,"endTime":4782.066,"body":"There's a lot of disdain for Yuffie and I'm not sure why."},{"startTime":4782.066,"endTime":4782.966,"body":"I don't know."},{"startTime":4782.966,"endTime":4785.284,"body":"I don't remember even using Yuffie that much."},{"startTime":4785.284,"endTime":4787.016,"body":"I've only played it through completion once."},{"startTime":4787.016,"endTime":4788.837,"body":"This was many years ago, so."},{"startTime":4789.378,"endTime":4796.355,"body":"People hate her because unless you know how to answer those questions, you're going to"},{"startTime":4789.378,"endTime":4796.355,"body":"constantly get robbed by her."},{"startTime":4796.355,"endTime":4800.088,"body":"Hmm, that's fair."},{"startTime":4801.774,"endTime":4808.654,"body":"I will admit, I love the touch of going into your menu and while you're doing that, she"},{"startTime":4801.774,"endTime":4808.654,"body":"robs you."},{"startTime":4808.814,"endTime":4810.294,"body":"Is that an actual thing?"},{"startTime":4810.294,"endTime":4811.094,"body":"Yes."},{"startTime":4811.094,"endTime":4812.174,"body":"Wait, explain this to me."},{"startTime":4812.174,"endTime":4813.994,"body":"I don't know this one."},{"startTime":4813.994,"endTime":4820.614,"body":"Well, because you randomly encounter her, you beat her, then she'll ask you these"},{"startTime":4813.994,"endTime":4820.614,"body":"questions, talk."},{"startTime":4820.614,"endTime":4826.154,"body":"If you go into your menu, she just steals some of your money and runs off."},{"startTime":4826.334,"endTime":4831.754,"body":"Just like if you answer any of her questions wrong, she robs you and runs away."},{"startTime":4831.978,"endTime":4833.229,"body":"I didn't, why don't I remember?"},{"startTime":4833.229,"endTime":4836.001,"body":"don't think when I played, don't think I, cause she's an optional character."},{"startTime":4836.001,"endTime":4838.223,"body":"You don't have to run into her."},{"startTime":4838.223,"endTime":4838.984,"body":"Weird."},{"startTime":4838.984,"endTime":4839.805,"body":"Okay."},{"startTime":4839.805,"endTime":4840.816,"body":"Why would they do that?"},{"startTime":4840.816,"endTime":4846.09,"body":"See, I was reminded cause something similar happens in Chrono Trigger."},{"startTime":4846.09,"endTime":4848.912,"body":"It's when you go in that one sewer area."},{"startTime":4849.233,"endTime":4854.157,"body":"If you like run into the garbage or click on something, it alerts the enemies."},{"startTime":4854.417,"endTime":4856.019,"body":"But there's a save point at the end."},{"startTime":4856.019,"endTime":4860.4,"body":"But if you step on it, you hear the ding and the enemies hear that and attack you."},{"startTime":4860.504,"endTime":4861.394,"body":"That's funny."},{"startTime":4861.394,"endTime":4862.155,"body":"That's right."},{"startTime":4862.155,"endTime":4862.956,"body":"That's right."},{"startTime":4862.956,"endTime":4867.859,"body":"But of course with Seven though, you get to the one character I do love."},{"startTime":4868.12,"endTime":4872.934,"body":"And if you remember anything about our other conversations, it's the old grumpy guys that"},{"startTime":4868.12,"endTime":4872.934,"body":"always get to me."},{"startTime":4872.934,"endTime":4874.594,"body":"I love Sid."},{"startTime":4874.646,"endTime":4875.166,"body":"Sid's great."},{"startTime":4875.166,"endTime":4876.947,"body":"Sid's really fun in Seven."},{"startTime":4876.947,"endTime":4881.011,"body":"He's a lot of fun in this iteration of the game."},{"startTime":4881.011,"endTime":4881.601,"body":"What about Sid?"},{"startTime":4881.601,"endTime":4883.392,"body":"Are you a big fan of?"},{"startTime":4883.413,"endTime":4888.677,"body":"The early days, just, you know, I was a kid, just this angry guy yelling and slurring at"},{"startTime":4883.413,"endTime":4888.677,"body":"everybody."},{"startTime":4888.677,"endTime":4890.508,"body":"Like, that's funny."},{"startTime":4890.648,"endTime":4891.999,"body":"There is some charm to that for sure."},{"startTime":4891.999,"endTime":4892.979,"body":"Yeah, for sure."},{"startTime":4892.979,"endTime":4895.341,"body":"Yeah, and you still you're still a big Sid fan."},{"startTime":4895.341,"endTime":4896.161,"body":"yeah."},{"startTime":4896.461,"endTime":4898.683,"body":"I love them the older I get."},{"startTime":4898.683,"endTime":4904.896,"body":"It's just something about like you can feel just how beat down this guy was by life."},{"startTime":4904.896,"endTime":4910.063,"body":"Like it goes from it is a very funny presentation."},{"startTime":4910.063,"endTime":4912.57,"body":"We're just yelling and cursing everyone out."},{"startTime":4912.631,"endTime":4918.814,"body":"But you really kind of start to feel for just how much crap this guy went through that."},{"startTime":4919.392,"endTime":4921.005,"body":"It wasn't his fault."},{"startTime":4921.005,"endTime":4925.433,"body":"Just kind of let it make him a bit bitter, but you see him start to get over that."},{"startTime":4925.795,"endTime":4926.596,"body":"he gets through it."},{"startTime":4926.596,"endTime":4930.804,"body":"He fights through the old bitter angerness of all of his life."},{"startTime":4930.804,"endTime":4932.142,"body":"I like that."},{"startTime":4942.618,"endTime":4945.838,"body":"I love that guy."},{"startTime":4945.838,"endTime":4947.138,"body":"He's not my 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like"},{"startTime":5020.057,"endTime":5021.788,"body":"he had his own game."},{"startTime":5023.949,"endTime":5028.762,"body":"and then they go into the Turks a lot."},{"startTime":5028.762,"endTime":5030.813,"body":"So there's so much content there."},{"startTime":5030.813,"endTime":5032.554,"body":"People just keep rehashing it."},{"startTime":5032.554,"endTime":5036.936,"body":"It's so weird how it's told."},{"startTime":5036.936,"endTime":5047.772,"body":"it's all, know, I just want a Lucretia novel that shows her, because I mean, obviously,"},{"startTime":5036.936,"endTime":5047.772,"body":"Hojo is a horrible person and she was not in her right mind at all."},{"startTime":5048.558,"endTime":5049.798,"body":"They weren't great."},{"startTime":5049.798,"endTime":5053.758,"body":"People love to demonize her and say, like, she's a terrible mother."},{"startTime":5053.758,"endTime":5055.798,"body":"And I'm like, I don't know."},{"startTime":5055.838,"endTime":5057.738,"body":"Like, yeah, it's hard to say."},{"startTime":5057.738,"endTime":5066.778,"body":"But I, you know, I have to go back and like, look at everything they've told us and then"},{"startTime":5057.738,"endTime":5066.778,"body":"make another, you know, because I think she was a scientist first."},{"startTime":5066.778,"endTime":5075.038,"body":"But then if you get like bulldozed by a narcissist, you might do anything, you know,"},{"startTime":5066.778,"endTime":5075.038,"body":"especially if you weren't you weren't planning on it."},{"startTime":5075.038,"endTime":5078.118,"body":"And the whole the whole thing with"},{"startTime":5078.296,"endTime":5079.947,"body":"with Vincent and her."},{"startTime":5079.967,"endTime":5083.28,"body":"And I thought Hojo made him, did they change it?"},{"startTime":5083.28,"endTime":5085.612,"body":"Did Hojo make Vincent?"},{"startTime":5085.612,"endTime":5089.494,"body":"He like shot him and then brought him back to life and made him a vampire or?"},{"startTime":5089.494,"endTime":5090.485,"body":"Something like that."},{"startTime":5090.485,"endTime":5093.658,"body":"I'm trying to, I can't place it at this moment."},{"startTime":5093.658,"endTime":5098.211,"body":"It's again- I just saw a video that said Lucretia saved him and did that to him."},{"startTime":5098.211,"endTime":5099.942,"body":"And I was like, what?"},{"startTime":5099.942,"endTime":5104.446,"body":"Like I think maybe there was just a shot of her staring at him."},{"startTime":5104.446,"endTime":5105.39,"body":"I'm like-"},{"startTime":5105.39,"endTime":5106.97,"body":"Because I can't see her doing that."},{"startTime":5106.97,"endTime":5116.353,"body":"even, she didn't, I mean, even if she was experimenting on her own body, you know, using"},{"startTime":5106.97,"endTime":5116.353,"body":"herself as an experiment, I don't think she would do that to him."},{"startTime":5116.353,"endTime":5118.104,"body":"But anyway, that's a huge tangent."},{"startTime":5118.104,"endTime":5118.534,"body":"So."},{"startTime":5118.534,"endTime":5119.294,"body":"That's totally fine."},{"startTime":5119.294,"endTime":5119.924,"body":"Totally fine."},{"startTime":5119.924,"endTime":5122.565,"body":"But yeah, I didn't really identify with anybody."},{"startTime":5122.565,"endTime":5123.615,"body":"Okay, that's fair."},{"startTime":5123.615,"endTime":5131.777,"body":"And I think that's, I think that does speak to the narrative nature of that, of that game"},{"startTime":5123.615,"endTime":5131.777,"body":"where it really is this kind of narrative that washes over you."},{"startTime":5131.777,"endTime":5134.258,"body":"And I think how you said,"},{"startTime":5134.282,"endTime":5136.793,"body":"it puts you in a different place."},{"startTime":5136.793,"endTime":5139.082,"body":"It feels separate from where you are."},{"startTime":5139.082,"endTime":5140.425,"body":"I think that's a good thing."},{"startTime":5140.425,"endTime":5149.902,"body":"think that can be, you know, I think we're all looking for those connections, but I also"},{"startTime":5140.425,"endTime":5149.902,"body":"do think that there are places in games and any artwork really."},{"startTime":5149.902,"endTime":5156.882,"body":"where you can just appreciate it as the work it is without saying, oh, I totally identify"},{"startTime":5149.902,"endTime":5156.882,"body":"with Red 13."},{"startTime":5156.882,"endTime":5158.162,"body":"I don't identify with Red 13."},{"startTime":5158.162,"endTime":5159.222,"body":"I can't, I don't know."},{"startTime":5159.222,"endTime":5160.282,"body":"He's cool."},{"startTime":5160.282,"endTime":5160.962,"body":"He's cool."},{"startTime":5160.962,"endTime":5161.682,"body":"I mean, he's awesome."},{"startTime":5161.682,"endTime":5164.142,"body":"He's probably the most well-adjusted character in the whole thing."},{"startTime":5164.142,"endTime":5166.382,"body":"Yeah, most likely, yes."},{"startTime":5167.482,"endTime":5170.402,"body":"I'm not a Kate Sith on top of a giant moogle."},{"startTime":5170.402,"endTime":5171.142,"body":"I don't know."},{"startTime":5171.142,"endTime":5171.962,"body":"I've never..."},{"startTime":5171.962,"endTime":5172.922,"body":"What is that?"},{"startTime":5172.922,"endTime":5174.378,"body":"Is the cat the robot?"},{"startTime":5174.378,"endTime":5176.339,"body":"Is the plushie the robot?"},{"startTime":5176.339,"endTime":5177.981,"body":"never quite figured this out."},{"startTime":5177.981,"endTime":5178.451,"body":"don't know."},{"startTime":5178.451,"endTime":5178.791,"body":"know."},{"startTime":5178.791,"endTime":5179.19,"body":"I don't."},{"startTime":5179.19,"endTime":5179.962,"body":"just."},{"startTime":5179.962,"endTime":5183.365,"body":"I thought one was Kate and one was Sith for very long time."},{"startTime":5183.365,"endTime":5184.265,"body":"No."},{"startTime":5184.686,"endTime":5186.417,"body":"And I was like, why are they together?"},{"startTime":5186.417,"endTime":5188.569,"body":"Like, what is going on?"},{"startTime":5188.569,"endTime":5191.491,"body":"I just accept Kate Sith as an entity."},{"startTime":5191.491,"endTime":5193.433,"body":"And I just say, all right, it's fine."},{"startTime":5193.433,"endTime":5194.393,"body":"Don't question."},{"startTime":5194.393,"endTime":5197.276,"body":"I don't think too much about it, actually."},{"startTime":5197.276,"endTime":5200.118,"body":"I was actually very shocked when I found out the secret behind it."},{"startTime":5200.118,"endTime":5200.91,"body":"was like."},{"startTime":5200.91,"endTime":5201.81,"body":"Really?"},{"startTime":5202.11,"endTime":5204.01,"body":"Okay, that's fantastic."},{"startTime":5204.25,"endTime":5204.77,"body":"Bizarre."},{"startTime":5204.77,"endTime":5209.27,"body":"Yeah, I just love, it's a story that I can hear over and over again."},{"startTime":5209.27,"endTime":5212.61,"body":"And I think that's, you know, attributing its success."},{"startTime":5212.61,"endTime":5215.55,"body":"It's, you how many times they tell the story, they bring it back."},{"startTime":5215.55,"endTime":5219.35,"body":"It's because people still love it and they want to experience it."},{"startTime":5219.69,"endTime":5222.49,"body":"So yeah, that's, I think that's how I felt about it."},{"startTime":5234.003,"endTime":5242.265,"body":"Obviously there's these huge moments in the game the game is nothing but these huge"},{"startTime":5234.003,"endTime":5242.265,"body":"moments and actually just occurred to me We were talking about antagonists sephiroff as"},{"startTime":5242.265,"endTime":5253.208,"body":"you go through the game He be you learn that he's really just a puppet in all this that"},{"startTime":5242.265,"endTime":5253.208,"body":"he's yes He's really not the big bad if you want to put a title on big bag Hojo is really"},{"startTime":5253.208,"endTime":5257.189,"body":"the the big the big bad Yeah, cuz he him and"},{"startTime":5261.062,"endTime":5281.581,"body":"in his the The woman one of the other doctors who fell in love with hojo was having his"},{"startTime":5261.062,"endTime":5281.581,"body":"baby and He wanted to put the sales of jenova into their kid and She didn't want that but"},{"startTime":5281.581,"endTime":5286.705,"body":"you know, she ended up they ended up doing it anyway at some point in time and so"},{"startTime":5288.194,"endTime":5301.518,"body":"That whole thing even when you get to the end Hojo is like he's really the antagonist of"},{"startTime":5288.194,"endTime":5301.518,"body":"the game because all the stuff that he did even like he took he took clouds in Tifa's town"},{"startTime":5301.758,"endTime":5306.306,"body":"and Like you guys are test subjects basically basically."},{"startTime":5306.306,"endTime":5306.834,"body":"Yes."},{"startTime":5306.834,"endTime":5316.682,"body":"Yes, like he moved his whole Equipment and stuff in that little house or and everything"},{"startTime":5306.834,"endTime":5316.682,"body":"and this is it's crazy"},{"startTime":5317.298,"endTime":5323.342,"body":"like when you go, when you read the lore about it, you'd like, my goodness."},{"startTime":5323.342,"endTime":5324.663,"body":"He did it all."},{"startTime":5324.663,"endTime":5328.005,"body":"He is not because he's a mad scientist."},{"startTime":5328.005,"endTime":5330.497,"body":"He did it because of science."},{"startTime":5330.497,"endTime":5334.199,"body":"wants to know he was so in into the research."},{"startTime":5334.199,"endTime":5338.182,"body":"Like this was his addiction and he couldn't help it."},{"startTime":5338.182,"endTime":5342.334,"body":"He wants to see what happens and what can he get out of"},{"startTime":5342.466,"endTime":5346.168,"body":"It's classic like Bioshock, Science Without Morality."},{"startTime":5346.289,"endTime":5348.49,"body":"It's a very similar theme."},{"startTime":5348.49,"endTime":5354.374,"body":"And it's funny because when I remember playing through Final Fantasy VII, a lot of that"},{"startTime":5348.49,"endTime":5354.374,"body":"gets lost in it."},{"startTime":5354.374,"endTime":5360.122,"body":"I watched for this interview series a chronological story retelling of Final Fantasy VII."},{"startTime":5360.122,"endTime":5362.88,"body":"The story of Final Fantasy VII, but chronologically."},{"startTime":5362.88,"endTime":5367.784,"body":"And when you watch it that way, it's really interesting because it's like, this is"},{"startTime":5362.88,"endTime":5367.784,"body":"actually really cool and good."},{"startTime":5367.784,"endTime":5371.36,"body":"But that's when you realize, no, there's Hojo and Rufus and..."},{"startTime":5371.36,"endTime":5382.594,"body":"all these other characters involved, but we always remember Cloud and Sephiroth, because"},{"startTime":5371.36,"endTime":5382.594,"body":"that's what I think, then the marketing pushed them, and they were just so big, but"},{"startTime":5382.594,"endTime":5391.858,"body":"there's so much intertwined in Final Fantasy VII that I think really bears itself out when"},{"startTime":5382.594,"endTime":5391.858,"body":"you watch a chronological retelling as opposed to the story itself."},{"startTime":5401.55,"endTime":5406.89,"body":"me, the biggest thing with Final Fantasy VII is that you have these two huge characters."},{"startTime":5406.89,"endTime":5411.95,"body":"have your Cloud and your Sephiroth, and they kind of dominate everything."},{"startTime":5411.97,"endTime":5417.39,"body":"And when I'm like rewatching some of these, I'm not watching YouTube videos to refresh"},{"startTime":5411.97,"endTime":5417.39,"body":"myself on the story."},{"startTime":5417.39,"endTime":5424.11,"body":"And I'm like, wait, there's a guy called Hojo who's like, wait, he's like, he's the main"},{"startTime":5417.39,"endTime":5424.11,"body":"bad guy of this whole story."},{"startTime":5424.11,"endTime":5425.518,"body":"Like he's the main bad"},{"startTime":5425.518,"endTime":5427.378,"body":"He's no joke."},{"startTime":5427.378,"endTime":5428.338,"body":"He's like Reanimate."},{"startTime":5428.338,"endTime":5430.378,"body":"He's like, he's like Reanimate."},{"startTime":5430.398,"endTime":5432.038,"body":"He's like no joke."},{"startTime":5432.038,"endTime":5437.498,"body":"mean, I forget Rufus was a thing and Rufus is a serious part of that whole story."},{"startTime":5437.498,"endTime":5445.838,"body":"But all of these other side characters and that shouldn't be considered side characters"},{"startTime":5437.498,"endTime":5445.838,"body":"almost got overshadowed by Big Sword and shiny hair."},{"startTime":5445.838,"endTime":5450.518,"body":"And it was, it was a weird thing for Seven for me."},{"startTime":5451.818,"endTime":5454.892,"body":"was a good one because"},{"startTime":5454.892,"endTime":5455.832,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":5455.832,"endTime":5465.438,"body":"The first encounter that you have with the Turks characters is Reno, who's the cocky"},{"startTime":5455.832,"endTime":5465.438,"body":"go-getter, the young, feisty one."},{"startTime":5465.438,"endTime":5470.41,"body":"And then you have Rude, who talks only when absolutely necessary."},{"startTime":5470.41,"endTime":5471.511,"body":"I understand that, Rude."},{"startTime":5471.511,"endTime":5472.611,"body":"I get that."},{"startTime":5472.772,"endTime":5473.972,"body":"I get that a lot."},{"startTime":5473.972,"endTime":5474.833,"body":"I work in IT."},{"startTime":5474.833,"endTime":5478.795,"body":"I get that so hard."},{"startTime":5478.795,"endTime":5484.077,"body":"And then you have Sung, who's the commander of the Turks."},{"startTime":5484.846,"endTime":5496.406,"body":"Every scene of him in the original Final Fantasy 7, like when he appears, it's something"},{"startTime":5484.846,"endTime":5496.406,"body":"about how they work the camera and the way that they animate his movements."},{"startTime":5496.466,"endTime":5501.706,"body":"You can tell that he is in command of the situation that he is in."},{"startTime":5501.706,"endTime":5507.786,"body":"The one exception being when he's clearly injured and just sitting at the front of the"},{"startTime":5501.706,"endTime":5507.786,"body":"pyramid, like waiting for you."},{"startTime":5507.786,"endTime":5509.866,"body":"But that's also by design."},{"startTime":5510.106,"endTime":5513.686,"body":"So, you know, every other scene is him just walking in."},{"startTime":5513.686,"endTime":5517.447,"body":"and immediately just telling everybody what to do and then they have to go do it."},{"startTime":5518.008,"endTime":5519.548,"body":"Yeah, that's funny."},{"startTime":5519.548,"endTime":5520.869,"body":"That's interesting."},{"startTime":5521.749,"endTime":5523.48,"body":"What's your take on that, JJ?"},{"startTime":5523.48,"endTime":5523.688,"body":"sorry."},{"startTime":5523.688,"endTime":5524.931,"body":"Go please continue."},{"startTime":5524.931,"endTime":5532.533,"body":"I was just gonna say like Song is definitely one of my favorite side characters and I'm"},{"startTime":5524.931,"endTime":5532.533,"body":"glad he got more fleshed out in some of the compilation stuff too."},{"startTime":5533.414,"endTime":5534.584,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":5534.584,"endTime":5535.875,"body":"What about you, JJ?"},{"startTime":5537.015,"endTime":5543.798,"body":"For me, just because of just how bombastic he is, I always liked"},{"startTime":5545.655,"endTime":5546.735,"body":"Dio."},{"startTime":5549.165,"endTime":5549.317,"body":"Dio."},{"startTime":5549.317,"endTime":5550.198,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":5550.198,"endTime":5550.788,"body":"my gosh."},{"startTime":5550.788,"endTime":5554.18,"body":"Because Dio."},{"startTime":5555.294,"endTime":5561.043,"body":"He was just so much fun when he got to the Golden Saucer."},{"startTime":5562.224,"endTime":5569.829,"body":"Yeah, just having like a straight up over-muscled pro wrestler be like the guy who's in"},{"startTime":5562.224,"endTime":5569.829,"body":"charge of everything."},{"startTime":5569.829,"endTime":5571.789,"body":"That was that was really fun."},{"startTime":5573.46,"endTime":5576.652,"body":"And he wears a cape and a speedo."},{"startTime":5576.652,"endTime":5579.314,"body":"Come on."},{"startTime":5579.314,"endTime":5582.136,"body":"I just looked up DioFF7."},{"startTime":5582.136,"endTime":5583.417,"body":"Don't look at the fan renders."},{"startTime":5583.417,"endTime":5585.118,"body":"Just skip by those pages."},{"startTime":5585.118,"endTime":5587.13,"body":"That's not worthwhile."},{"startTime":5587.13,"endTime":5589.301,"body":"Turn your search on."},{"startTime":5589.301,"endTime":5590.422,"body":"I didn't need that."},{"startTime":5590.422,"endTime":5592.624,"body":"So cool."},{"startTime":5592.624,"endTime":5594.044,"body":"Dio."},{"startTime":5594.445,"endTime":5596.767,"body":"That's a side of you I never recognized."},{"startTime":5596.767,"endTime":5599.409,"body":"So clicking off of that link."},{"startTime":5599.409,"endTime":5599.929,"body":"Dio."},{"startTime":5599.929,"endTime":5601.75,"body":"Gosh, I'm a Dio."},{"startTime":5611.498,"endTime":5623.627,"body":"just about does it for this edition of a gamer looks at 40 if there was a character that"},{"startTime":5611.498,"endTime":5623.627,"body":"you felt did not get the love they deserved then you go you just do that you just provide"},{"startTime":5623.627,"endTime":5635.075,"body":"that love you be the vessel of that appreciation or lack of appreciation by going over to"},{"startTime":5623.627,"endTime":5635.075,"body":"my discord there should be a link to it in the show notes of this episode it's free to"},{"startTime":5635.075,"endTime":5640.378,"body":"join up come on by make yourself known to the community and i'd love to hear"},{"startTime":5640.428,"endTime":5642.96,"body":"what you have to say about your favorite character."},{"startTime":5642.96,"endTime":5654.331,"body":"We only have X amount of time and X amount of interviews to go through, so I would love to"},{"startTime":5642.96,"endTime":5654.331,"body":"hear what you have to say about those characters that maybe didn't get as much exposure on"},{"startTime":5654.331,"endTime":5656.893,"body":"this show as you would have liked."},{"startTime":5656.973,"endTime":5662.388,"body":"As always, many thanks to Pete, Harney and Kev for helping me cut up these interviews."},{"startTime":5662.388,"endTime":5664.901,"body":"This show does not exist without their hard work."},{"startTime":5664.901,"endTime":5666.542,"body":"Thank you, thank you, thank you."},{"startTime":5666.542,"endTime":5675.942,"body":"Many thanks to my patrons as always and many thanks to you my fine listeners for spending"},{"startTime":5666.542,"endTime":5675.942,"body":"your valuable time listening to this podcast."},{"startTime":5675.942,"endTime":5678.962,"body":"truly appreciate every download, every click."},{"startTime":5678.962,"endTime":5684.422,"body":"I don't think I say it enough and if I do say it too much it's because I genuinely mean"},{"startTime":5678.962,"endTime":5684.422,"body":"it."},{"startTime":5684.422,"endTime":5687.342,"body":"Thank you so much for listening to this podcast."},{"startTime":5687.542,"endTime":5690.342,"body":"I genuinely, genuinely appreciate the ride we're going on."},{"startTime":5690.342,"endTime":5695.618,"body":"This has been episode 123 of A Gamer Looks At 40 and until next time."},{"startTime":5695.618,"endTime":5698.47,"body":"Just be kind to yourselves and each other."}]}