#69 - From All-In Bodybuilding To Balanced Living

What happens when the gym becomes your identity—and what does it take to let that go without losing yourself? Larry and Daniel pull back the curtain on years of training, dieting, bodybuilding prep, and the quiet costs that come with living by macros and PBs. From sneaking into a first weight set to competing at a high level, from running a gym 80 hours a week to saying no to a family dinner for the sake of “being on plan,” we trace the moments that forced a rethink and the choices that rebuilt a healthier, more human approach.

You’ll hear how rigid tracking can slide into binge cycles, why social life and relationships often pay the price, and how to prevent discipline from turning into isolation. We talk about setting expectations with partners, navigating identity shifts, and the surprising relief that comes from dropping the pressure to beat last week every time. Larry shares moving from brutal leg days to archery and fatherhood, while Daniel finds joy in untracked runs and lower-intensity sessions that boost, not drain, his workday. The big insight: the same focus that builds a stage-ready body can be redirected to family, business, creativity, or community when seasons change.

If you’re stuck in all-or-nothing thinking, you’ll get step-by-step ways to scale back without spiralling: one untracked meal, flexible training windows, new outlets for competitive energy, and a kinder definition of progress. This is a guide for athletes, parents, and busy professionals who want sustainable fitness, better relationships, and a life that feels full instead of small. If the weights have started to weigh on your life, this one’s for you.

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Transcript

Welcome And Today’s Focus

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hey guys, you're listening to the Gen Pop Podcast with me, your host, Larry Doyle. Each week, I'm gonna bring in friends, guests, and experts to help enhance your health, fitness, and wellness journeys. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the conversations. You are welcome back to another episode of the Gen Pop Podcast, where this week, co-host Daniel and I, we're gonna talk about how our approach to our training and nutrition and the whole thing has changed over the years. I've been training for too many years now, 26 years in the gym. Daniel, how many years have you been training?

SPEAKER_00 0:43

I think it's uh I think it's only been about 10 years, it is it.

SPEAKER_01 0:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

Still a kind of a newbie to the whole thing.

Daniel’s Beginnings And Early Obsession

SPEAKER_01 0:50

It's it's a lot of time. Like I when I started off training, I was like sneaking into my brother's bedroom. He had like the Argos weight set. I used to go in and do some sets on that because he'd kill me if he saw me on it because it was his precious thing. And I'd wait till he goes out to work, I'd sneak in, and then I'd go to like the local gym when I was like 14, 15, pretending to be 16, signing off the the uh disclaimer going into it. But like over the years, obviously my training has evolved, and I guess it's now I don't know what it's evolving or devolving. I'm not sure what the uh term is on it, but my demands have changed, my inputs have changed a lot, my styles and approaches have changed a lot, and we're gonna cover over those and kind of how we've gone in various different patterns with our own approaches because like I'm coming from a background where it would have been initially kind of sports-oriented, that's how I got into the whole training side of things. Uh, I would have got a lot of injuries, an awful lot of like problems over the years, and that's how I learned to train better. I managed to get into the hands of a very good physiotherapist who is also a very skilled personal trainer, put me into the path of like education and awareness. So I was lucky that from the earlier years of my training career, maybe like six, seven years in, that I was like quite up to speed on like how to train properly or getting a lot of better information. And then I guess I was fortunate to be in some very good circles over the years as well. But I also competed in a lot of bodybuilding then as well, too, which would have seen like me being like very like all in, never missed a session, never missed a meal, never missed anything for quite literally years. Um, and competing at a high level like that, or what felt like a high level at the time, it's not really a high level in the grand scheme of things, had a hot lot of high-level demands to it, and it needed a lot of like rigorous consistency and like a brutal, harsh approach to it in terms of like how hard had to train and the recovery demands and the lifestyle factors and excluding myself from certain things. But that was fine because it was the trade-off that was there. But we'll we'll talk about some of these evolutions. What have you found then with your own shorter career? What has changed? Let's say from the start, let's look at that and how you got into it and kind of like where you got to and where you're at now.

Identity Costs And Social Trade‑Offs

SPEAKER_00 3:00

Yeah, I can actually remember when I was about 12, I did get like a little weight set from Argos as well at Christmas. Um I think it was around 12 or it could have been 11. But like I always kind of came from the whole fat loss side of things because I was always like an overweight kid. So when I was like 21, I just started running, and we had a treadmill at home, I just started running, and it wasn't until maybe six months down the line that I kind of wanted to add in a gym element to it, but I don't think there was a gym even here at the time where I'm from. But my uncle did have a setup in his garage, so I started using that, but like I was just making stuff up on the spot because I had no knowledge whatsoever. I don't think kind of YouTube fitness was really a thing at that time, so I was just making stuff up on the spot. I was going in with certain things that I would do, but like I wasn't doing anything right, or I wasn't doing like I can remember I go in and I could like say bench press, but then I go on like the rowing machine, then I go and I do like a deadlift, and I'd be just going all over the place doing different things, but I absolutely loved it, and even still looking back and now I was like, I nearly enjoyed that more than any other portion of my training career because I didn't have that pressure on myself that I need to do this, beat this, and I need to like be performing at this level, I need to like make sure that I have like my pre-workout meal and all this kind of stuff. That there was no pressure, you just went in and trained because you wanted to train, and I think as I went further on then and kind of got more in in tune with like what you need to be doing, what you should be doing, and kind of like realized oh, I can actually like do photo shoots and all this kind of stuff. I started investing more and more into it, but it almost became my identity, and I kind of put a lot of pressure on myself in this, like, right, you need to live up to this standard all the time that everything you do needs to revolve around the gym. And like I think I might have said this somewhere in the earlier podcast that like um I used to like kind of plan dates with people based on places that I knew what they served there, I knew I could track the calories and the macros and stuff from there without telling them, but I'd be like, Oh, what would you think about going here? And then they'd recommend going there, or even if like they wanted to go somewhere else, like, oh, I'm not too hungry and all this kind of stuff. Because I was like, No, I need to only eat these certain meals because I'm going to the gym and I'm getting these results. So I became very, very obsessed with like the intricate details of everything. And I think then, like, uh, as both of us kind of like shifted, like, that's what the whole point of this podcast is. I think it was dropping that identity a bit, was probably the hardest shift to kind of accept. And it took me the bones of two years just to kind of actually acknowledge this, like, you can't maintain what you're doing. So, like, it took me like periods of time where I'd have four to five weeks of actually consistent training, then I just would not be able to train for three weeks, and then I'd try and go back again and train for four days when I realize I can't do four days. So I think the hardest part was just shifting that identity to being like, right, it's okay not to train four or five days a week, and it's okay not to track your calories, and it's okay to actually enjoy meals out. Um, but I think it's still above all else, the one thing that I kind of like maintained all throughout was just the consistent improvement that I'm gonna get from if I'm going to the gym for where to be for half an hour, an hour so I'm gonna do as much as I can in there to actually just improve on what I was doing the last time. And I think that's the one thing that's kind of like maintained all throughout my training career. Really?

Letting Go Of All Or Nothing

SPEAKER_01 6:37

It's really interesting to watch that. Like it the the thing about the identity part you mentioned, like it was a huge piece because like I was like known as like food bag Larry basically, and it was like people would know it's like, oh, here comes Larry and here comes his food bag because Larry's like gonna have six meals with him just in case he has to like you know get stuck in a random snowstorm for the day or whatever the hell might happen. It's like those days it wasn't like Monday because that was like leg day, and it wasn't like breakfast, it was meal one, and it was like there's all these like identity parts of it all. Um that was just and there was nothing wrong with it as well, too, because that was like a phase of our life, and like people would think it would be a very and it is an abnormal approach to nutrition and like to train and exercise, and it's not like a healthy outcome from it, but you're looking for more extreme returns, so it's like you kind of do more extreme things, um, and that's a part of that whole process of like wanting to get as much out of it as you physically can because you're like you're very uh invested into the process of doing as much as you physically can to get the most outcome possible and the most return um from your training, from your nutrition. And like I guess people would have maybe suggested that it was like building a very poor relationship with exercise and training and nutrition, but like personally, I never would have created a uh like a bad relationship. I wouldn't have like I don't think I've ever I haven't ever actually had an episode of like binging or like breaking or breaking the diet or doing any of that. And I'm not trying to wear that as like a badge of honor, but it was just like the approach that we had was very like reasonable and wasn't all that stressful to do. Um, or if I had to miss a session, it wasn't the end of the world, but like for the most part, everything was ticked off and boxed off, and like again, like you know that it would be a case of if it was a date night, I'd make sure it was like somewhere with high protein and lower calories, or if it was like you know, a cheap meal that it was a refeed night and like okay, now we're going for pizza and chips all of a sudden because well, I have to get my calories up, and you know, it did kind of evolve a little bit around the identity and the approach and kind of like every single day, right, to a degree. But now as things have evolved and progressed, and we've kind of removed ourselves from that phase of our life because like it is a phase, and that's completely okay as well. There's a hell of a lot more relaxed approach because like I get this with people all the time, but it's like, oh, you wouldn't eat that kind of thing, you know. Someone would be sharing out a sweet, you're you're at a social event, and someone takes out a pack of sweets, and it'd be like, Oh, Larry wouldn't have that, these bodies in Mecca and a temple and all this shit. I was like, I will eat sweets and like chocolate and like takeaways or do whatever because like it's fine, I can factor data. I understand the nutritional advantages of it or the social situations where I can include myself more in it or whatever, but also just own the choice of I want to have that, so cool, I'll have it, or be okay with saying no. But like people assume that we're living on some kind of pedestal because oh, they see us in the gym or they see us training or we're the health and fitness guys, but there's a lot less now of an association with that identity of we have to do X, Y, and Z, or if I don't get my 20 sets of leg exercises in during the week, I'm going to die. It's like, nope, everything is actually okay. And it's a very, I guess, well-rounded, balanced approach now. And I think it's somewhere like a lot of people would like to try to get to. And I guess it's given some insights from our own experiences of how people can remove themselves from that all or nothing approach because that would have been very much the all-or-nothing that we would have had at both of those stages of our training careers with that as well, too. Um, with the challenge to that identity that you would have found, what helped you transition more? Or kind of did you have a kind of a eureka moment, or was there kind of like, hey, I haven't trained legs in two weeks here? It's okay. You know, did you have one of these kind of come to come to Jesus moments with it all when you're transitioning across?

Binge Cycles, Rigidity, And Regret

SPEAKER_00 10:18

Like there wasn't one real like standout moment or anything kind of just popped up, but I guess it was if you want to call it like the opportunities that started to appear in my life at the time that would have challenged my ability to train at the same capacity as I was doing or to follow the same lifestyle. But I was kind of like, is it really worth sacrificing all of what I could gain just by pulling back on the gym? And as I know, because like if I didn't do that, then I likely probably wouldn't be in the position where I am now because even like if people listened to the earlier podcast and kind of heard about my story, like I was running a gym for a period of time, and I was at one stage kind of working in the gym 80 odd hours a week or whatever, but I was still training every single day and whatnot. And then when I done my last photo shoot in 2022, I think it was. Actually, I had some help in the gym, and if I didn't have that help in the gym, I wouldn't have been able to do that photo shoot because I can confidently say I would not have been able to balance working 80 hours in the week with my training, dieting, and everything and prepping for the photo shoot. So if that change hadn't come in my life, I couldn't have done that, and then further down the line, then on top of that, then I got into a relationship which meant that like I wasn't going to sacrifice parts of that relationship just so I could go to the gym four days a week, or I needed to you know stay at home at the weekend because I need to prep my food or I need to do cardio or whatnot. It's like I'm sacrificing way too many important variables within my life just to go to the gym or just to live a certain lifestyle. And I can remember this is going back what I think nearly eight years now at this stage, but it's not something that had a Eureka moment then. But further down the line, it was like it was a it kind of served as a Eureka moment for me. Was that I moved to Canada, I think it was 2017, and I can remember around that time I was going through a pretty bad period of time, like binge eating and all that kind of stuff. I remember it was coming up closer to Christmas, there was more food available, and I was binge eating like crazy. And I can remember I was still going to the gym and actually still was looking after everything, like I was still tracking calories and everything, but I still would be binging frequently because I was just under-eating effectively all the time. And I can remember the day before I was moving to Canada, uh, I think it was like the 2nd of January or something, and I didn't want to go to Canada, like bloated and stuff. And I can remember eating green beans and tuna twice a day for about a week in the lead up to that. And I remember the day before leaving, my parents said, like, Do you want to have like a dinner and stuff like as a family before you go? And I was like, No. And I remember sitting down eating green beans and tuna while they had dinner. And I remember like a couple of years later thinking, like, what kind of a fucking prick are you that like you're an only child and you took that away from your family? That like, God forbid I could have gone, something could have happened to them, something could have happened to me, could have been the last time. It's like you took that away from your family. But I think once I kind of understood this, like, holy shit, this is actually having an effect on other people in your life as well. That like you're kind of making it all about you, and instead of using the gym and your nutrition, all this kind of stuff can enhance your life, you're actually closing yourself off even more. So I think when I looked at it more as a way of I'm actually improving not just my physical health, but also like my mental health, my social health, and everything by going to the gym and by looking after my nutrition, but still again allowing for days off that I'm going to not go to the gym because I'm going to go spend time with my girlfriend, or that I'm going to go out for dinner or going to enjoy a cake or whatnot. Once I allowed for all these things in there, I think it actually improved every aspect of my life. I think it's one once I kind of understood that that's actually when I enjoyed everything a whole lot more.

Relationships, Workload, And Boundaries

New Priorities: Family, Business, Hobbies

SPEAKER_01 14:08

Yeah, it's huge. And like it's it's I'm sure this is very relatable to others as well, too, that might be going through something more extreme like that, or kind of like trying to figure out because you didn't know what the next phase looked like till you were actually in that next phase as well, too. Right? You only know what you know, and it's like it's if you've never been there, it's very hard to imagine that journey or transition from any different uh one phase of your life to the next, because it is very transformative with that as well, too. That's gonna like give a lot of people a you know a lot of insight and a lot of help as well, too, to realise okay, like I can actually move from one to the other or shift that identity that little bit more. Um, you know, from my own experience with bits and pieces like that, I remember like my very first night meeting Kate, like it was years back, it was on Sandy Mount Strand, and I was like typical bro, I was like in the the big hoodie and baggy tracksuit pants. I got all dressed up for our first date that we met. Uh, we had only come back from Body Power the night before, uh, where we were hanging out with all the the big bros for the weekend, and like one of the first things obviously we'd been chatting and stuff like that as well too prior, but I was like said to Kate, I was like, today is like the very first day of start of prep for me. So like our first date was like the first day of prep. So I was like, had to tell her and inform her, like, not this is how it's gonna be, you're like Larry's way or the highway. But it's like if we're gonna be dating, like I'm gonna be probably outdoing cardio from super early in that day, because I knew straight away what I was getting into, but Kate didn't have a clue, so I had to make you know a lot of adjustments around that to make sure from my side, because I'd seen it from previous experiences or previous relationships, the impact it can have, or from people that I've worked with or people I've been surrounded by and the negative impact it can have there. And for me, I had to make myself aware and then also okay aware that like this is what's gonna be happening over the months ahead, this is what has to be done, but personally I'm not gonna allow it to affect that or affect us meeting more or to have a relationship with it or whatever as well too. But there's gonna be some things I'm gonna have to work around, whether that's like maybe being a little bit more restrictive with calories, or maybe I can include a meal on the weekend or date night, but I I personally I tend to be a little bit more kind of not headstrong, but okay with making those kind of decisions. I've like never drank, so I've like been involved at like peer pressure since literally day one of being a young fella, so it's like it was never a thing for me or an interest. So I was like able to say no to a lot of stuff quite easily. But from my side, I was like to make Kate very aware that like you're not going to be impacted from this, or it's not gonna like reduce the quality of what we're gonna be doing over the next while because I'll take the extra brunt of that, I'll be the one getting up way earlier in the morning to go do cardio or whatever it might be. But as it so happened, we're still together, you know, many, many, many years later 12, 13, 14, 15, whatever it is now at this stage, it's all a bit blurry, but um, it was able to work out and and kind of again it was that phase of life where it was like that was the thing that I was most interested in. And I've now obviously shifted focus a huge amount and my own personal interests with different activities and hobbies and different lifestyles. I've got two kids, I'm married, we've got uh multiple businesses, we've got a lot of other things. All the only responsibility I had back then was like making sure I hit my calories and macros and you know, PB'd my leg press and my chest press every day, and that was it. Because like that was the only thing I was really interested or involved or responsible for, and that was kind of it. But now for me, spending some quality time with the girls, going out on the weekend, or kind of like instead of you know going to train legs or going to like blow my guts out deadlifting, like that's not a thing that's remotely interesting to me now at all. So it's like it's been okay with being fluid with that transition of like saying, Okay, I'm gonna park that, I'm not gonna be as intensive, I'm not nearly as intensive. I've also no interest in being as intensive with my own training now at the moment. Um, the idea of some of the shit that I used to do back in the day when I could now is just like it's nonsense to me. But at that time it was really fun and I really enjoyed doing it. But now, this version of me, many years later, you know, a lot of people that I would have been around back then would just wouldn't recognize the version of me now. And that's I'm completely okay with that as well. Because I don't feel like I need to go into the squat rack and you know, go till something blows out or till something pukes or something breaks or whatever it might be. That's just like ridiculous to me now because I've no interest in waking up sore because now I know that I'm not going to be able to chase after the kids the following day or to go up the stairs or to do whatever, and it's like going to impact uh other hobbies and interests I have, like going out fishing or like shooting some archery or doing whatever on a competitive level there. But I guess like some of those have also like replaced some of the competitive urges that I had also back then and kind of like the other interests kind of like fill that void of what would have been like the competitive interests with me with uh competitive bodybuilding, that now it's like shifted gears to competitive archery, and I find that like ticks a lot of those boxes, and I don't have to like go and absolutely assault myself in the gym with it all the time. And I've like again it's to to make people okay with that transition that there is other things that you can fit in and other interests you can have and other hobbies and activities you can fit in, and it doesn't have to revolve around you just being the gym person. I guess it's okay as well, too, right? If that's your own choice and you feel like it's something you're really into, but don't feel like you have to be married to it forever. Um when you found what so what have you found you've replaced kind of that because like it's it's a it's a major outlet for energy, for aggression, for you know, just channeling into yourself and kind of going to different levels and strange things when you're like you know prepared for a big set on a leg press or going into deadlift or squat or whatever. What have you found now is kind of replaced what's scratching that HV now, I guess.

Replacing Intensity Without Burnout

SPEAKER_00 19:58

I couldn't really pinpoint it down to like one thing because like the gym is still in a way kind of is still present, but like it was interesting you saying that like but the intensity you're trained, like you've no interest in it, that I've found that like I just don't have the mental capacity even to just train with intensity like that. That like if I go to the gym, I'm kind of like right, you feel like you can do five more, I'm like, Oh, I can't be arsed like it's gonna feel like I've done enough. It's like I'm not looking to bury myself because like again, if I'm training in the morning, which I typically am, I know if I was trained the same way I was before, it's gonna affect my mental state going for the remainder of the day, and that's gonna affect my work capacity. So I think like I've kind of like spread it out over a few different areas. So like I still go to the gym, as I said, but like I kind of do a bit of music still, which was kind of my main passion, my own passion. Um, but like I've kind of put a lot more effort into like uh actually working online since I've got more online obviously um relationship, but I'll put more effort into that. Then just go out for walks and stuff, so it's like I still have more I have more outlets now that I can kind of spread my attention across because I think if I was just cutting off the gym completely, I think that would be more of a struggle. And I think this kind of I think we probably will make a podcast about this as well, but like that's where you often see people kind of messy up when it comes to removing tracking their calories and stuff in their life, that they go from like tracking everything to tracking nothing, when they don't kind of transition to like right and going from tracking to maybe I'll have one untracked meal a day, then I'll have maybe the weekends are untracked and kind of slowly transition your way through that. So I think when you kind of go through um kind of having a few different outlets like that, I think it does help, and I think I know you kind of said about having like the gym as like an outlet for um that kind of stress and all this kind of stuff. Like I found like my stress actually reduced by removing more training because I put in so much pressure on myself again to like beat my PB from last week or like um to just like try and perform at my best all the time that like now I'm kind of going to the gym because I just enjoy going to the gym. I enjoy just improving on small little things or trying out something new rather than rather than like just trying to bury myself into the ground. Like I've even started running over the last six months, which again is a completely new avenue to me. But the one thing I've done different about that compared to when the gym was I'm not tracking anything I'm doing with the running, I just go out running and just kind of see what happens. I've no plan when I go out to run, I've no like distance, time, anything, and I'm not tracking it because again, I don't want to put that pressure on myself to like I need to perform better than I did the last time because that's when I know that I will go down that rabbit hole of becoming very obsessive about it. So I kind of need to work around my mentality in that in that way.

Blueprint: Move Discipline To What Matters

SPEAKER_01 22:53

But you've you've taken what would have been a hundred percent of your energy going into the gym, and much like mine as well, too, 100% of the intensity and energy into your focus around nutrition and training and that lifestyle. But now you've where it was in one avenue, you've now dispersed that into five or ten different areas, and that's getting the the 20 to 10% or whatever it might be, but it's divvied out nice and evenly between it, and it takes away that stress because you've now like different areas that are getting different intensities and different levels of your focus as well, too, and it does spread it out over that. I think it's a really good way of looking at it because people kind of like take, okay, I'm all in on the gym, or I'm all in my on my training or nutrition, and I'm gonna just stop that and go all in on one other thing. It's very hard to transition all that intensity just to one area. So it's looking at like those other areas and divvying it out and just spreading yourself a little bit more. It's a really interesting one because obviously every person is going to have their own individual experiences, and they're just some of our own individual experiences with it as well, too. But like maybe it resonates with some of you guys who are listening to this, and I think you know, it's understanding that it's okay one to be in that phase of intensity and and putting yourself all in, but then it's also okay to remove yourself from that phase and to spread yourself into other areas and interests within that. It's very difficult to know what's on the other side of it as well, too, because you don't know until you actually start to investigate those other things and whether you'll actually like it or whether you'll miss the gym or whatever it might be, or is it going to scratch that same itch for you? But to know that like it's okay to transition, it's okay to remove that identity, it's okay to switch gears and change it in different phases. I was in my mid-20s when I was all in in the gym, and that was perfect, but then I transitioned, and you know, for me, remove myself from competing, that like I was more interested in the work that I was doing as opposed to the work I was putting into the actual gym itself. I was an hour out from being on stage one time, and I was like, it was my last show, but I was like responding to check-ins, and I was like, I'm not into this anymore. And it's like I knew that like my time had come to an end with that essentially, and I was like getting back to check-ins, that was more interesting, that was more uh pertinent at the time as well, too. So I was putting my focus there, and that allowed me, I think, to actually step away because I had probably burnt myself out at that stage of enjoying the competitive side of things too, but then transitioned into that. But now been that was my mid to late 20s, early 30s. Now I'm 40 and I've like got two kids, a couple of businesses, it's a very different situation as well, too. So it's okay with transitioning throughout those different seasons of your life. And personally, I'm okay now with if I miss a couple of sessions or if I miss a couple of weeks, it's absolutely fine. It doesn't change me as a person or a dad, and I've probably put more of myself into those other areas as well, too, as opposed to just trying to spread myself thin without it all. Um, any leaving notes you'd like to pass on to anyone that's kind of stuck in that phase now at the moment, looking to get a little different bit of an aspect on it all before we tune out?

SPEAKER_00 25:45

Yeah, I think it is like I think we both kind of said it was the identity shift, it was probably one of the hardest elements of us to kind of to drop or take a step back from. But I think one thing to do if you're looking to kind of scale back your training or you're kind of afraid to do it, is look at the other areas in your life that you possibly could pay more attention to. So, like if you are like we were kind of dedicating everything you were doing to like the gym, your physique, and all that kind of stuff. It's like there probably was areas within your life you were lacking. Because I remember when I done the last photo shoot, and I remember when I finished it, one of the first things you said to me was, like, now apply that same level of intensity and like detail to your business. I remember kind of thinking it's like I never thought of it like that. That like if you have that capacity to work at that level and to kind of dedicate so much to it, you can do that with anything. So it's like, have a look at like your role as like a parent, a partner, a friend, like look at your life professionally. Like, are you doing everything in those areas to kind of like be the best you can be in those areas? And when you have all these different outlets and you have all these other areas that you can focus on, that's gonna make it a lot easier to kind of scale back because you're gonna see the actual advantages of removing a day or two from the gym or removing the rigidity you have from like tracking all of your meals and prepping all your meals. Like, once you actually can see the benefits of like increase your social life, you're gonna you're never gonna go back, I don't think.

How To Transition With Less Friction

SPEAKER_01 27:12

Yeah, and I I always kind of had that little bit of a joke about it. It was like if bodybuilders just applied themselves to the rest of the world like they do bodybuilding to take over the goddamn thing, because they can be so invested in that one aspect. And and again, that was for me, it was like, okay, how can I now transition so much focus and energy into other areas that because you've clearly proven by doing, and and we'll use the bodybuilder in our kind of photo shoot or prep style analogy to it, because like we had clearly proven exceptional ability to dedicate ourselves in very intensively to one aspect, and it's like there's a blueprint there from how do you create that level of success and essentially take that blueprint and transition it to other areas of your life where you feel you may be lacking, and if that's divvying out that intensity, like I said, to other areas, if there's three or four or just one singular focus, it's understanding that it's not just the identity of someone who was a bodybuilder or someone who prepped your food or trained really hard, it was someone that could accomplish tasks that they put their mind to. And now all of a sudden you've got this belief of I'm someone who can actually create a massive impact. And all of a sudden you can transition that to other areas, whether that's again improving the social or your relationships or family or business or life or whatever it might be. But it's the same as like if you're someone who's incredibly dedicated to your business or to your lifestyle or whatever, looking to get into your training more, you've clearly shown that you have the ability to be able to stick to the thing. So figure out how you've managed to create success in that path and then transition that blueprint across to your health and fitness or your lifestyle or whatever it might be. We hope you guys get loads of value. If there's ever something you know you want to DM, reach out and touch base. We're here, we're always available for you guys. Just reach out, shoot us a line. If you're struggling, if you're stuck, if you're looking at getting a bit of a dig out, if you're looking for a bit of clarity on transitioning from one aspect of your life to another, we can give you some of our own insights and maybe help you out, guys, too, with all that as well. So feel free to reach out, touch base, email us, DM us, whatever it is. We're always here to help. Until the next one. Hope you guys enjoyed this.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

See you then.