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Twenty Years of Questions: The Jennifer Kesse Mystery
When 24-year-old Jennifer Kesse failed to show up for work on January 24, 2006, her colleagues knew something was terribly wrong. The finance graduate had just bought her first condo in a gated Orlando community – chosen specifically because Jennifer was exceptionally safety-conscious. What happened between 10 PM the night before and 8 AM that morning has remained one of Florida's most baffling mysteries for nearly two decades.
The clues left behind paint a perplexing picture. A damp towel in the bathroom. Clothes laid out for work. Two cell phones with SIM cards mysteriously removed. And most crucially, her car found abandoned at a nearby apartment complex with security footage capturing a grainy image of someone parking it and walking away. An eyewitness reported seeing her car leaving her condo complex "driving erratically, as if two people were fighting over the steering wheel."
Jennifer's disappearance occurred while her condo complex was under construction, with numerous undocumented workers on site who reportedly "scattered like flies" once police began investigating. She had previously mentioned to her parents that some workers made her uncomfortable with their staring and occasional cat-calling – complaints other women in the complex had also made. Was this relevant to her disappearance, or merely a coincidence?
Hope for resolution has recently emerged with Florida law enforcement announcing they have "several persons of interest" and are testing DNA evidence that may finally provide answers. After twenty years, could modern forensic technology finally reveal what happened to Jennifer Kesse that January morning? Join us as we examine the evidence, explore the theories, and discuss why this case continues to haunt investigators two decades later.
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Welcome all of you wine and true crime lovers. I'm Brandi.
Speaker 2:And I'm Chris.
Speaker 1:And this is Texas Wine and True Crime. Thank you for being here, friends, for this week's episode the Disappearance of Jennifer Kessie. Hey, chris.
Speaker 2:Hey Brandi.
Speaker 1:Nice to be back in the studio it is nice to be back in the studio.
Speaker 2:I would agree with that.
Speaker 1:I am really glad we're covering this case. Well, we covered this case in a live show because we showed the video, the grainy video that we're going to talk about, but we are traveling out of Texas and to Orlando, florida, for this case, so we are going back to 2006. So January 23rd 24th is the timeline we're talking about when Jennifer Kessie disappeared.
Speaker 2:Coming up on the 20-year anniversary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 20-year anniversary. A few things to note here. She was living in Orlando working as a 24-year-old, freshly out of college finance major, and was working for a timeshare company. Yes, great place to work for those in Orlando. Yeah, and making good money too, making great money. She had just bought her own condo. So her parents were so proud she bought it with her own money, bought her first condo, and she bought this at the Mosaic at Millennia, so that is the name of the condo complex she was living at the gated community with security which is why she chose it.
Speaker 1:Yes, family has come forward and said this is that is like one of the particular reasons that she chose um that location. But this complex was still under construction now, not construction like road construction outside, where there's a lot of workers, you know, laying down cement. These are condos that are being built, that are being renovated and on the inside right. So we know now that a lot of these construction workers who were a lot of them were undocumented, a lot of them. We know that the company, the actual company who employed these workers, actually did not keep great records of who they actually were, and now we know that they were living.
Speaker 2:They were probably just working for a contractor. I would imagine, yes, so the contractor actually probably didn't keep, probably just working for a contractor. I would imagine yes, so the contractor actually probably didn't keep great records. That's right, I would think.
Speaker 1:But, chris, they were living in this condo complex and I, even with some of my research and some of the things that I have talked to people very closely in this case, they think there was actually up to five to ten workers living in one condo. Now was it the only one. We don't really know. Did they have names of these people actually living in this condo? No, so bad records, lack of names.
Speaker 2:Yeah, typically I was going to say if you run a condo or I mean, these are actually purchased, but if you're living there you'd have to have a background check of some sort to stay there on the premises.
Speaker 1:You know, I don't know this for sure, but I almost wonder if the contractor and the owner of the condo happen to have some sort of relationship. Owner of the condo happened to have some sort of relationship. It just seems like you have the condo complex not keeping good records and you have this contractor not keeping good records.
Speaker 2:Oh, I imagine that was part of the deal. You know, probably get a little bit of break. Let some of my workers stay here. You get a price break on the. You know the work.
Speaker 1:I mean maybe. So I'm sure the Kessie family knows the answer to that. But what we do know is that names were not kept. There were multiple people living in the condo that didn't have a lease right. They didn't have a lease there. There was no paperwork on them. So that is something we actually know now that we're talking about this almost 20 years later. So at the time, because there were other condos being built in the complex, they weren't all leased out. So I would say there was probably a bare minimum amount of people living there at the time that Jennifer was living there.
Speaker 1:We also know now that several women who were living in this condo complex had the same complaints as Jennifer Kessy did Now. Jennifer had told her parents that these workers kind of made her feel uncomfortable. Sometimes there was a little cat calling, sometimes there was just a little bit of staring and not saying anything, which as a woman, is the worst, because you don't know what they're thinking. They're just looking at you. But we now know that other women were making complaints about this at the time. This is actually before Jennifer disappeared, so before and after. So we know that this was a problem. Whether this has to do with her disappearance? We don't know. I say the video looks like people have said a painter suit, a working suit, some sort of chef outfit. I mean it's hard to tell by video. They have come out and said that the outfits are you okay. Yeah, keep going, all right. Okay, that's how we roll, that's how we roll, all right.
Speaker 1:So she's telling her parents a little bit about this, but again, well, it's she was very safe, conscious, and so I don't think her parents worry too much and it's a gated community and there's a lot of trust there, right, so I think she had a lot of trust in this place.
Speaker 2:It's not to imply, because they were undocumented workers, that they're immediately responsible.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God no.
Speaker 2:It's just the fact that there are people that were living there that you basically have a difficult time if they're considered as a suspect reaching out to them.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I mean this absolutely 100% hindered the investigation. They couldn't find them the next day, I mean, some of them didn't come back, right so it, I mean her brother will end up next day after the police came correct so this is just finding.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is after I mean we're jumping a little too far ahead, but yeah, so let's kind of talk about the weekend that goes into the days that she disappeared. Because even now, by the way, the Kessie sued Florida for the records. They wanted their own investigation. They hired a PI and decided that they were going to investigate their daughter's case because they felt like there was a lot that the police were not doing, especially in the beginning. I mean, you have the parents that get the phone call that their daughter does not show up for work. So she gets back in town, chris, that weekend from a tropical vacation with her boyfriend Her boyfriend's, living about three hours away from Orlando.
Speaker 2:I think they were in St Croix correct.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they had gone on vacation. They come back, she goes to work on Monday. So she shows up, goes to work on Monday, and then we know she comes home from work because there was a phone call that she has with her boyfriend that night. And then you have her brother, who also spoke to her that night, because her brother's Logan, his friend, had, um, they basically they had been at Jennifer's condo and the friend left his phone there. Okay, so her brother asked her, you know, can you ship it to him? And she agreed basically to overnight it to him.
Speaker 1:So this is where a lot of the timeline is either not clear. When it comes to now. Again, I don't have the police records, but here's what we know. We know that the last phone call to her, the last person that heard from her, it was around 10 o'clock, like right before 10 o'clock, and then again at 8 am when she doesn't show up for work. So we've got a pretty big gap timeline here 10 pm to 8 am, going into the 24th. So, by the way, can I just give props to the company that she worked for, because when that girl did not show up for work, they thought this is very unusual. This is not like her, and they immediately call her parents wondering where she is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was puzzled by that. I just I don't know.
Speaker 1:I love it.
Speaker 2:Kind of going I don't want to say it doesn't sound like going above and beyond, but I'm assuming that she had that as a point like emergency contact. And so that's kind of unusual for even your coworkers to do something like that like call your parents.
Speaker 1:Well, I think that people just don't think. I mean, she's 24, freshly out of college, right, Just not long and so I think there's just a sense of like looking out for her. They know she's living here without family, right, she's got her own place and it was just unusual. But I just want to say this is why I, you know, and Chris, I was even talking to- somebody her boyfriend, you know tried reach out too.
Speaker 2:He didn't even really and I'm not trying to slam on him, but I mean, even he was kind of trying to let it marinate. I guess you might say See what happens, maybe she's at work, maybe she's not answering just because she's busy, versus the response from the company.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think also it's like do you really think something's going to happen to somebody as an adult? I think there's just this. I don't know.
Speaker 2:These people did.
Speaker 1:Well, there's just this sense of like calm about us, I think, as adults, and like our ability to think how safe, how safety conscious we really are. But are we? I mean because this girl you know from, according to her parents and friends, was like one of the safest people ever, right? I mean, she constantly talked about being safe, she would have conversations with her mother about this kind of thing, so for her to somehow be caught off guard and be abducted because this is what we believe happened to her, what was the scenario? You know, that's the puzzling piece of this is like we really just don't know what happened between 10 and eight o'clock. But here's a few things we do know. When the parents get the phone call the brother, the parents, they're coming down different directions, have their own cars, but they both show up at the apartment. You know, within like I would say like mid-afternoon time frame, the apartment manager lets them in the apartment. Okay, her brother will actually use the words, I think, uncooperative, when he was actually trying to ask the workers that he did see there if they had seen his sister. So they're really just trying to get information, but the apartment manager lets them in. So here's a few things that we see in the apartment. She has a wet towel that's in the bathroom, there's water in the shower, she had clothes that had either been tried on or laid out on her bed and it looked like she was getting ready for work.
Speaker 1:So we talk, we go back to this timeframe of 10 to eight. Um, her mother has come forward and said that she did not shower at night. She would have always showered in the morning. And would there still be like a pretty, would there be still a significant amount of water in the shower if it would have done the night before? So we're going to talk about the cell phones being powered off, because we do know that is a fact. They were powered off, and when I say phones, I mean her phone and I mean her brother's, friend's phone. They're both turned off. Both SIM cards are removed at some point. So at first, chris, they said this happened at like 1045. But I think, hopefully maybe the Keseys have a better idea now that they've looked in these police reports. I don't know if they do or not, but I do know that they came out and the family came out and said this we don't actually know that this was taken out at 1045. We actually don't know when they were powered off of the SIM cards taken out.
Speaker 2:That's weird. If you're leaving the phone there, what would be the purpose of removing the SIM card? Well, I don't know, Remember she's bringing this phone to work Now hold on.
Speaker 1:She's taking this phone to work to overnight it. She has a UPS store inside. Go ahead and overnight it. And her mother said ridiculous, my daughter would not have left, she would have gone to bed. She has a UPS store in her building. She would have done the smart thing, which is wait till she's at work the next day and then ship it from there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that doesn't explain the SIM card removal.
Speaker 1:No, it doesn't.
Speaker 2:I could think that somebody would do that as if she was having some correspondence with someone. And you know, with those older phones, if I remember correctly when you pulled the SIM card out, that's for all your contacts or any call history, even your messages, because those six you're probably still doing like alphanumeric messages on your you know click phone or whatever flip phone. So yeah, I don't know, maybe that would be the reason why, because if it was somebody, let's just you know, suspecting that it would be somebody external, not somebody from the apartment, because that would be the only reason I could think of, Because typically you know your SIM card's kind of your tracker, you know where you'd be going around and you're not taking the phone and staying in the apartment. Why go that extra step?
Speaker 1:Well, the one thing I think is she was going to have that phone on her, her brother's friend's phone. Because that's To go to work because she's shipping it. So that is why I believe that did not happen the night before. I believe the reason that both of those phones were found turned off, sim cards removed, was because she had them both on her, and to me I don't see that happening at the night. I see her going to sleep.
Speaker 2:I don't see her leaving the apartment, Having them on her what do you mean?
Speaker 1:Like she had her brother's, friend's phone to take to work, to ship overnight.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just saying even too, with these older phones. I mean, and think about the year. How many people have phones to have that knowledge, to know that this thing has a card in it that you can remove, to remove the data from the phone?
Speaker 1:But what's the other reason to remove a SIM card? Do people remove SIM cards? Who are going to steal phones?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:They weren't stolen, they were there.
Speaker 1:What do you mean?
Speaker 2:The phones.
Speaker 1:They tracked the phone. That's how they knew it had been turned off.
Speaker 2:I thought the SIM they didn't find the phones. But the SIM card you're saying I got you.
Speaker 1:Do you see what I'm saying? It was removed.
Speaker 2:You're saying they removed them so they couldn't be tracked.
Speaker 1:Right. So I'm saying the only If you're a stranger and you find two phones, okay, where are you looking for two phones, unless they're on jennifer?
Speaker 2:well, and also, I think too, then, thinking about just still, with that whole turning, disabling the phone, um suggests that you know, know, I mean, I would think even back then you'd probably have to have you know, that a level of intelligence to know that that's going to keep them from tracking that you so I mean, I would think the average lay person who owned a phone probably didn't realize that walking around with a phone I would.
Speaker 1:I would say I I hope her parents have more information about the phones and around what time this might have happened. But I think what I wanted to make sure we clear up is that police had always said that they were powered down, SIM card removed around 1045 PM. But now we know, based on just interviews with family, that they could actually not pinpoint a timeline of when, of when, this actually happened.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and I would just have to, for me personally to, just if the phone's turned off, how do you know the SIM card has been removed? You know, I think those two kind of go on coordinates.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Maybe it doesn't ping or something. Maybe there's some data that isn't collected when SIM cards are removed.
Speaker 2:That's the only thing I can think of, and me personally. Didn't know that a phone would transmit any data if it was even just turned off I mean our iPhones if it's turned off. Are you able to track the?
Speaker 1:Oh, I think you can right. I think, you can ping a tower. See, I don't know, technology's come so far in these 20 years.
Speaker 2:It's lost in the woods and their phone dies. They can't just track them at the point where they're?
Speaker 1:at if there's no battery.
Speaker 2:So I don't know. I guess that's Sorry to stick. On the SIM card thing, I just think that's an odd note of how they determined that, um, because I think that's just a whole new level of somebody going that extra mile to make sure not found, which would make me lead to believe it's just not the average bystander, or you know that's somebody that maybe knew her construction worker.
Speaker 1:I guess that's right so that kind of if, if indeed this person was communicating with her and you, did this person know she had two phones on her? I don't know, did she know that he that that the friend had left the phone at her apartment? I mean, maybe you know, I don't know, but you're right, typically somebody who was a total stranger isn't going to care about that because they've had no correspondence with the person. All right. So when the parents get to Orlando they're looking for their daughter, they call the police. Police, I would say she's an adult, she'll probably come back.
Speaker 1:They try to tell them this is very much unlike our daughter. They were handing out flyers, they were really pressing for information and police start questioning people. Chris, it's always been said that law enforcement I wouldn't say made the excuse, but to some people it sounded like an excuse that because of the language barriers that they were dealing with with some of the workers it was hard to interview very early on. People always said like really we can't have, we don't have anybody bilingual in the Florida law enforcement, you know so. But so I would say this is kind of an issue and again they scattered like flies right.
Speaker 1:So it was hard to find some of these people even 24 to 48 hours after she went missing.
Speaker 2:And I think a big reason for that is if they were undocumented and police are coming, they're not going to stick around. They aren't so they aren't completely unrelated to any disappearance.
Speaker 1:That's right, exactly, but I think it's. You know. You now have her telling her parents how uncomfortable she's feeling. You know that they are living in the apartments directly across from, or the condos directly across from, jennifer's. The belief is that she had to have been taken by surprise because she was such high alert about her comings and goings that it would have been almost an element of surprise to her. So, you know, did she come out of her apartment and then somebody came up from behind her. You know, as she's leaving, I want to talk to my moms out there.
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Speaker 1:So here we go into the investigation. Now she has disappeared. We need to find her. So they start pulling video footage. You know cameras trying to see what's working, what isn't working, and they actually find a video that picks up what. Now here's what we know the car Jennifer's car is found in an apartment complex about a mile mile and a mile and a half away from her condo. Okay, so, very close, and I want to be I think this is an important piece of this investigation. It's very close to where we are presuming that she was abducted. Okay, so, and this is this is going to be before eight o'clock in the morning and I think that's important for us to think about. Think about this too. So the car is then dropped off at Huntington on the green. Now the car is found because a woman who has been watching the information Jennifer Kessie's car is now out in in the public looking for her vehicle. Um, they find it and a woman calls and says I pretty sure that her car has been parked here.
Speaker 1:That's just another apartment, another apartment complex about a mile, not a very nice particular area. Even though it was only a mile, mile and a half, it's described just a little bit more rough. It's an apartment complex. You can just go right in park a car. Well, because of this-.
Speaker 2:So there's a rough area that's close to where she lives.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there is. There's also, I do believe, bus stations not very far from where she was also living, where she was living. So Huntington on the Green is the name of this apartment complex. So the call comes in. Because of that call, they start pulling camera around where the car's found and what do they find? The eerie, creepy, lucky video of the perpetrator driving Jennifer's car, parking it, staying in the car for about 30 seconds. So not only that, chris, this person pulls back out and then pulls back in to make it look like the car should be parked there. So they were very like. They didn't really look like they were in too much of a hurry, which I found kind of interesting with this. But they pull out, pull back in, perpetrator, sits in the car for about 30 seconds and then they are seen on video walking away from the car and out of sight. So the unfortunate thing about this video and again, everyone you can go watch it. Jennifer Kessie video.
Speaker 2:It's blurry.
Speaker 1:Well, it's not only that, it's blurry. Well, here's a few things about this video. One I think the height can be very misinterpreted by looking at this video. It's like a Bigfoot video, it is. And then the second thing is that every two to three seconds it caught right, there was like a screen capture, and every time, every those two, three seconds, there is a bar blocking the face From the fence yes.
Speaker 1:Yes, of this person. A few things that the family pointed out disproportionate body type. So Jennifer Kessie's mother actually thinks this looks like a teenager or a very young person because of the length of the arms and just the way the body is a little lanky. And just the way the body is a little lanky. There were some people who believed that the hair is in a bun. So there was questions of could this be a woman who dropped this car off?
Speaker 2:Could she have been carjacked too, if she did leave?
Speaker 1:Well, chris, an eyewitness sees Jennifer Kessy's vehicle cutting in and out as it leaves the condo, as if two people are fighting over the steering wheel. That is an eyewitness. They didn't see two people in the car. But when the eyewitness says what they saw, that was. It looks like two, two people fighting over steering wheel right going right, going left, going right going left. And it was. She used the word, they used the word erratic coming out of the condo. So I believe, chris, because they ended up also do like, from where her car's found to her parking spot, the trail went directly back to her parking spot. So I believe whatever happened to her happened in that parking lot. You know, the strange thing, chris, is that nobody heard her scream. I mean you have a first floor and her car, I mean somebody had to have taken the car. Like I can't get past the car If you attack someone in their apartment or if you why, are you taking the car?
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. That's why I think a lot of signs point to that too. I mean it, just that's not the best area around. A lot of carjackings happen in Florida, you know. I mean or you know, I know Orlando's, of course, known for the wonderful world of Disney, but you know it's like any big city. They've got their level of crime and the fact, yeah, why would you take the car In?
Speaker 1:fact, yeah, why would you take the car? Why would you take the car? I mean, unless and then, not only, that you only take it a mile to a mile and a half away from where I believe this occurred.
Speaker 2:But they could have taken it and driven it around, I know, and then dumped it back there.
Speaker 1:I mean just because it was found that close, it could have been somebody in that. Well, chris, we know the car was dropped off at noon, because, who knows? Right.
Speaker 2:If this happened and then all of a sudden I mean what? How long before news was on the, the story was on the news.
Speaker 1:Not long.
Speaker 2:So I mean, I mean, let's just say, somebody Not long Carjacked the car, stole it saw that it was on the news, figured oh this thing's hot, this thing's hot, and then went and dumped it at night. Right, dumped it I mean that's when the video is and so took it out.
Speaker 1:No, it's not at night, it's noon, the car is so noon the video though. The video, I guess, is just so grainy.
Speaker 2:It's just grainy. Yeah, no, it's. But I mean we know the car would just. Maybe they had it and were joy riding around and riding around and realized it was too hot and that we need to get out of this thing and dump it. It's surprising the car would be that clean, though, too. They really didn't recover much evidence from it. We have people removing SIM cards and scrubbing a car, you know, I mean, that sounds more like somebody that's done this before you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know what else. Again, she would have had both phones on her. And this is the piece where, again, if it's just sitting in her apartment, I don't know, maybe you do that, but if you, if she has them both on her, like that's how you're going to get the, that's how you're going to get the brother's friend's phone, because they're in the car or on her, and I just don't believe they would have just got her. Her apartment was not ransacked. Robbery, they don't believe, was the motive. There was a DVD player or like some sort of CD player found in her backseat. They don't there.
Speaker 2:You know, they didn't think this was like somebody trying to necessarily rob her and it was clean inside, right, even they um, you know, carjacking situation, who knows, it just could have gotten out of hand and maybe it got roughed up and then I know you know um oh, she would have fought back so I mean ultimately, uh, she, you know, didn't make it through, but I mean that's I don't know. You just, usually you find stuff in cars, things you know, fragments, something left in there, somebody's jumping the car.
Speaker 1:I don't know if this is a true fact, but I did read that there was a boot print found near the pedal of the driver's side. There was also Chris, and this is something else I find very interesting. Eventually, once they look at the car, it looks like on the hood right that there might have been a struggle, like maybe somebody was thrown on the hood or maybe slammed or an elbow. I mean, it looks like there may have been some sort of scuffle on the hood of that car. Again, though, you don't hear, nobody hears her, like she's not screaming, like this is the hard part for me. It's like, was she tased? Did they approach her and put something over her mouth? But then again, that seems more likely. And is it two people fighting over a steering wheel? Or is it a young person that doesn't really know how to drive? I've thought about that too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I mean almost like a carjacking joyride situation. I mean it could. I don't know, it's tough. The use of the day.
Speaker 1:All right. So this is going on unsolved for 20 years, chris. I think 10 or 11 years after she disappeared, her parents had her legally declared deceased. There were, I would say there was a person of interest at one point. So there was someone by the name of Chino If you go and read about this case, you'll you'll read about him. In fact, I think like 48 hours or something showed up at his door and like interviewed him, but he was very high on the person of interest list. He actually used the words I was in Jennifer's, I was helping Jennifer with something, so this guy knew most of all the women that were in this condo complex.
Speaker 2:Okay, he did maintenance work. He works for the apartment.
Speaker 1:Right. But a housekeeper who had maintained some of the condos went to police and said that looks like Chino in the video. Went to police and said that looks like Chino in the video. So that was the first time that somebody had really given the name. But then a lot of the women came out and said like he's always been nice to us, like he's never really, and he ended up. He ended up being questioned by police. He, you know, he basically told 48 hours like I did my part. I had nothing to do with Jennifer. I liked Jennifer, but he used the word passed away. But I was in her apartment a week before she passed away. So that was always something that that just kind of sat and with his words, you know it did it. Did he meet? Did he know she was dead? Because at that time we didn't know she was dead, right, we weren't thinking she's dead I don't know exactly.
Speaker 2:It was years later correct.
Speaker 1:It was probably. It was years later, but not.
Speaker 2:I think that's just a slip of the tongue, potentially. I mean not even a slip of the tongue, Obviously, this much time has passed and she hasn't been found. I'm just assuming.
Speaker 1:No, but he this was a little earlier on, so it was just a little bit strange. People just thought his wording was a little strange at how he referenced her. But according to other women he was a nice person. But then, according to other people he wasn't so nice and he was, you know, possibly abusive to women, and so you know, you have. It reminds me a lot of like the Amy Bradley guy who worked on the cruise ship kind of thing. You know, he's always maintained his innocence. He says he has nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1:But but we do know that police did collect either some fingerprints or some DNA. Police did collect either some fingerprints or some DNA. They've had some of this, probably from the vehicle. You know, I don't know how much, but I do know that in May of this year the Florida Department of Law Enforcement basically says, like this case is not cold, we are, you know, yes, the Kessies we gave. By the way, they gave the records to the Kessies. Again, they hired a PI. Pi has been working this.
Speaker 1:But law enforcement just came out a few months ago and said that they are, they have several persons of interest is what their words are and that they are now testing DNA and items that may have contributed to what happened to Jennifer, and this is great news, I mean so do they have? Are they doing this? Maybe genetic genealogy? Maybe it's not enough DNA to find out exactly who it is, but maybe it's enough to actually start testing it and see if there's any sort of genealogy behind it. But I mean, this is great news, you know. I mean, maybe we're going to have, you know, some information about this case. But I think the hardest part is, you know, are we even dealing with more than one person? And I think this all goes back to you know, how long can someone keep this a secret? If this was a young person, they're more likely to tell someone that If this is an older person, they may not. They may be able to take this to their grave, but typically younger people have a little bit, you know, they run their mouths a little bit more. So was this just someone?
Speaker 1:And Chris again think about the time of this, this, if indeed this happens, while after she leaves her apartment, by the way, her mother has said she bought brand new 3-inch alligator heels and they were not in the apartment, so she believes that her daughter was dressed and left for work, and that's why those shoes were not found. So I tend to believe the same thing. I don't think she leaves the apartment that night. I think she stays there. I think she knows she's taking the phone the next day to the UPS which is in her building. I think she gets up, she showers, she gets herself ready for work, towels are damp, water still in the shower and she is caught off guard.
Speaker 1:I don't know if she's caught off guard coming out of her apartment and then brought to her vehicle. Do not scream, maybe with a weapon, but I guarantee they would have had to have a weapon in the way that I see this going down. I don't think she would have made it from her apartment to the car and not tried to scream or somehow get away if they did not have a weapon. Or did they wait till she got to the car, approach her there, because, remember, the dog went to the scent, to the parking space? Now did they then abduct her, throw her in the vehicle, which is why nobody heard her scream?
Speaker 1:But then how do you explain? You know the hood of the car, you know? Did that happen while this person was joyriding? All we know they could have done this and abducted her at seven o'clock in the morning and dropped the car off at noon and only a mile and a half from her house. So to me Chris this is someone very familiar with the area they either have to get the car at the apartment and walk back to the condo. Okay, if we're going to talk about workers, if any of them are involved, they've got to stay close because they've got to go back on foot.
Speaker 2:That just doesn't make would not drive along with the carjacking. I know you steal it and then drive it down the road and double it off a mile. That's going to take you all of a minute.
Speaker 1:I know, I don't know, but we know the car got parked at 12. So we know the car got parked at 12. So we know that they at least and Chris, I mean we kind of.
Speaker 2:And when was the time?
Speaker 1:We can kind of guess what was happening between the hours of probably 8 and 12.
Speaker 2:What was the time stamp on the video?
Speaker 1:I don't remember the exact time stamp on the video, but they know it's noon.
Speaker 2:What day was it?
Speaker 1:It was the 24th, which I think is a Tuesday.
Speaker 2:How many days, though, after? I'm trying to. I don't remember exactly, I can't remember.
Speaker 1:I mean, um, I don't remember exactly, but I know the tip came in pretty, you know, just a few days, I think, after she went missing. Well, that's how they found the video, right? So then the the video, go watch it. I mean I, it's the luckiest, I don't know, it's just so lucky that every time the video, you know, turned off and then turned back on, it was blocking their face, and so, you know, was this person? I mean to me, chris? Again, it's like, okay, if she's in the car and they've taken her, they had to she's never been found, so she's somewhere. And that is probably what was happening, you know, in my, in my opinion, from the time she was taken until that car was dropped off. She was taken until that car was dropped off, but they didn't find any, not that I know, of any sort of blood or you know nothing was thrown around in the car.
Speaker 1:So again, it's like, did they take the time to then clean it? You know, did they take the time to clean it and then go drop it off? A mile and a mile and a half away? I just can't get over how close it was to the condo To me. That is someone that is very familiar with the area, that has to get back somewhere on foot because the person walks off. So were they then being picked up by someone else? Or did they live this close and live in the vicinity and they had to walk home and that's why they left it there is, because they had to get back at a short distance? I mean, I don't know what other reason you leave the car so close to the condo. I mean, that's really just been like the bad, you know.
Speaker 2:I mean, it could be the. You know, we see world's dumbest criminals all the time. So who knows, Somebody tweaked out, not even realizing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then well, and then the outfits, right. So if you look at the video, that's why I think that's where the you know the maintenance workers, you know workers idea came in, I mean, but Chris, it's on the property of the condo, right? So they assume whatever happened to her happened there, especially with that eyewitness seeing that car, I can't get over that. So to me they're exiting the parking lot. Something has now happened in the parking lot. Something has now happened in the parking lot. But again you have what we assume to be people awake, and you know, I just don't know how you don't scream unless you have a gun or a knife and nobody hears her and she would have fought back. And so was there an element of surprise to this? You know, I just don't know. And are we even dealing with just one person? We only see one person in the video, but are more people involved in this? And they said multiple persons of interest? I believe that is what came out in May. And, gosh, I hope that maybe they have come and tracked down some of the information they've been looking for all these years, whether locally, you know, or just you know just, or from maintenance workers. But it's the outfit. The painter suit is what someone said it looked like in the video A chef's hat or a net. Somebody even said, maybe a bicycle helmet. Look like maybe they're wearing a bicycle helmet. It's just very hard because the video is just so grainy.
Speaker 1:But one other person of interest I want to mention before we get off the call. Chris, is it actually surfaced that Jennifer Kessie's manager at the time actually some would describe it as mildly obsessed with her that he had continuously tried to ask her out and I do believe he was married. So he actually either I can't remember if he showed up for work like after 12 or if he just missed the entire day, but Chris, he was not there the morning that she disappeared and a coworker called the police and told them exactly how they felt about this guy and the possibility that he could be involved. Now, actually, this was something I recently heard about. I actually didn't know about this until I just started taking this rabbit hole dive into this case. But this person I'm sure was questioned.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I mean, then you have someone who knows her, who has spoken to her, who has contact with her, um, but then again, are we, are we assuming this person would have just showed up in her apartment complex and done this. Seems a little bit odd, but again, co-worker thought it was very strange that they they were not at work that same morning. So just very interesting. All right, friends, until next time, stay safe, have fun and cheers to next time. Cheers, thank you. Bye.