Uncover the threads that weave the fabric of our society as we dissect the five foundational pillars shaping our world. Join Father Mario Arroyo, Rabbi Stuart Federow, Dr. David Capes, and Rudy Kong in a riveting conversation that promises to challenge your perspective on respect, family dynamics, and the very framework of education and law. Together, we confront the erosion of these societal cornerstones and explore the implications of cultural Marxism's subtle yet pervasive influence on our culture.
As we navigate through the complex intersection of secular debates and family values, witness how politics, education, and economics intertwine to support or undermine the health of our communities. This episode is not just a discussion; it's an urgent call to recognize the significance of nurturing respect for the individual and the pivotal role of the family unit in mitigating negative societal outcomes. We examine the current socio-political landscape with a critical eye, addressing concerns such as the suppression of free speech on college campuses and the contentious realm of gender studies, all while grounding our dialogue in the Judeo-Christian ethic of equal dignity.
Finally, we cap off this riveting discussion with an announcement that is set to energize our community – Rudy's much-anticipated visit. We reiterat the connection shareed with our listeners through prayer, engagement, and continuous dialogue. This is not just another episode; it's a beacon for those seeking to understand the delicate balance of progression and tradition in our culture. Join us, and be part of a conversation that's critical to the heart of our society's future.
Uncover the threads that weave the fabric of our society as we dissect the five foundational pillars shaping our world. Join Father Mario Arroyo, Rabbi Stuart Federow, Dr. David Capes, and Rudy Kong in a riveting conversation that promises to challenge your perspective on respect, family dynamics, and the very framework of education and law. Together, we confront the erosion of these societal cornerstones and explore the implications of cultural Marxism's subtle yet pervasive influence on our culture.
As we navigate through the complex intersection of secular debates and family values, witness how politics, education, and economics intertwine to support or undermine the health of our communities. This episode is not just a discussion; it's an urgent call to recognize the significance of nurturing respect for the individual and the pivotal role of the family unit in mitigating negative societal outcomes. We examine the current socio-political landscape with a critical eye, addressing concerns such as the suppression of free speech on college campuses and the contentious realm of gender studies, all while grounding our dialogue in the Judeo-Christian ethic of equal dignity.
Finally, we cap off this riveting discussion with an announcement that is set to energize our community – Rudy's much-anticipated visit. We reiterat the connection shareed with our listeners through prayer, engagement, and continuous dialogue. This is not just another episode; it's a beacon for those seeking to understand the delicate balance of progression and tradition in our culture. Join us, and be part of a conversation that's critical to the heart of our society's future.
But I gotta think twice Before I can throw my heart away. And I know all the games you play Because I play them too. Oh, but I need some time off From that emotion, time to give my heart a knock on the floor. Oh, and that love comes down with Abdomen. Oh, son, well, it takes a strong man, baby. Oh, and that love comes in with I've been lost, son, well, it takes a strong man, baby. But I'll wait for something more, cause I gotta have faith. I gotta have faith Cause I gotta have faith, faith, faith. I gotta have faith, faith, faith. Welcome to A Show of Faith where professor, priest, millennial and rabbi discuss theology and philosophy and anything else of interest in religion. If you have any response to our topics or any comments regarding what we say, hey, we'd love to hear from you. Email us at ashowoffaith at hotmailcom. You can hear our shows again and again by listening. Pretty much everywhere podcasts are heard. Our priest is Fr Mario Arroyo, pastor of St Cyril of Alexandria in the 10,000 block of Westheimer.
Speaker 2:Hello and hello Linda, especially she's listening.
Speaker 3:Hi, Linda.
Speaker 2:She's listening to me from. No, she's listening to us. She's listening to us from Florida, but I can't remember where. I think it's Tampa, I don't remember, I have to ask her. Well, we welcome her to our show. Yes, he just wrote me when are you? You weren't there last week, uh-oh so. So where were you? I was last week in Louisville, kentucky. Oh okay. With my brother and my sister oh your annual, my annual reunion with my brother and my sister Mario.
Speaker 1:I talked to my brother about doing that and we still haven't gotten it organized. But it's one weekend, no spouses, right, and you're just sibling love. Yeah, right, right. Our professor is David Capes, baptist minister and director of the Linear Theological Library.
Speaker 5:Hey, good to hear from you tonight, guys. By the way, I'm not the director anymore. I am the director of academic programming.
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Speaker 2:Tonight we're going to talk about an article that appeared in and well, it's not an article, it's actually the description of a website that I highly admire, and the website is called Public Discourse, and they base themselves on what are called the five principles of a society. Principles of a society, and one of the things that has been really the the five some the five pillars of a decent and dynamic society, and what has been troubling me lately is precisely the whole state of social discourse and the perversion of each one of those five.
Speaker 2:Okay, I said yeah, the perversion of each one of those five, and so for me, I thought it would be important for us, as members of the clergy and juniors, to be ableunciate a little bit about each one of them. So let me read them off, and then we'll get going on the first one and try to do one for every break. First of all is the first of the five pillars of society.
Speaker 1:Of a decent and dynamic society.
Speaker 2:Decent and dynamic society. It's really Respect for the human person. The second one sexuality and family, understood correctly. Third one politics and law. Fourth one education and culture. And fifth one, the business and economics. Now, what we're going to do is go through each one of those and kind of talk about where they came from, where those pillars stand, what's happening to their foundations and what concerns us about what's happening to their foundations. So let us begin with the first one, which is really the first, the most important one, and that is….
Speaker 1:That's what I was going to say.
Speaker 2:Respect for the human person. Rabbi, why don't you take it?
Speaker 1:The human person is…. If you don't respect the human person as an individual, then society is going to fall. It's that simple. But I got to tell you, okay, before we get into it and the topic and I just lost on my cell phone, the topic of the five pillars of a where'd it go? Yes, the five pillars of a decent and dynamic society. I have to tell you that I do not sleep on five pillars, I only sleep on two pillars.
Speaker 4:Oh boy.
Speaker 1:I've been waiting, oh my God, I've been waiting to do that for three days. I've been waiting to do that for days.
Speaker 6:Okay, fine, I said it, I got it out of my system.
Speaker 1:All right, thank you. All right, all right.
Speaker 2:So the Bible, everybody's Bible, our the bible, let me, let me, let me bring, bring a fresh so you can jump off of this. Okay, our founding father said that, um, there are things that are self-evident right that all men are created equal. Is that self-evident?
Speaker 1:it is self-evident for those people who do one thing, and one thing only, except. The Bible is authoritative. Once you do that, it is a natural, I would argue, logical conclusion.
Speaker 2:But it is not self-evident. It's evident because of the scriptures.
Speaker 5:Well, let me jump in here, because I think what they're saying is it's not self-evident if you study just simply nature. It's self-evident if you have been groomed and brought up in a Judeo-Christian universe, exactly which our forefathers and three mothers had been brought up in that kind of world. So it became self evident.
Speaker 2:it was not self evident to the Roman generals, it was not self evident to the people of Spartica and Rome and such, I would argue it is not self evident to people in Islam well, I mean that, just a whole other conversation. And it's not self-evident, but it's also not self-evident to people in communism.
Speaker 1:Well, it's to people who are communists Just because they're under communism.
Speaker 2:It's not self-evident to fascists. It doesn't seem to be self-evident to fascists. It doesn't seem to be self-evident to anybody except those people who believe in the.
Speaker 1:Bible Right, which was my original point. But then you have to ask the question why? Why is it if they have the Bible as authoritative? In my opinion, they must conclude respect for the individual, Because each individual is made in the image and likeness of God, little lower than the angels. And if you begin with the premise, the biblical premise, then it means you have to respect the individual, you have to have the respect, you have to respect the individual.
Speaker 2:I guess I would argue against the both of you that it is not self-evident. Notice I'm putting the accent on the self.
Speaker 1:Let me ask you that.
Speaker 2:Apart from anything else self.
Speaker 1:Okay, but do you?
Speaker 2:Nietzsche did not think that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he was Nietzsche. Let me ask you a question then. Yeah, but he was Nietzsche. But let me ask you a question then how then does the idea of self-evidence enter into what Catholicism explicitly calls natural, natural law? Thank you.
Speaker 2:If you have natural law, there's a part of us, as in the human condition, obscures the self-evidence of that principle. In other words sin itself obscures, because it wasn't self-evident to the ancients.
Speaker 1:Even to the Greeks it wasn't self-evident to the ancients, even to the Greeks, it wasn't self-evident. Okay, because slavery Okay. So you still have to have the Western Judeo-Christian mentality before you can reach that.
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 6:So it's not self-evident Rudy.
Speaker 9:I was going to add that also there's something as natural revelation and then supernatural revelation, right, and I would probably make the argument that the initial sort of evidence, if you will, came supernaturally to Abraham. Right, like for hundreds of thousands of years we have remains of human beings and everything before that. We don really find any any type of any type of uh evidence where they treat each other in any particular uh type of equitable way, unless it's particularly within their tribe, and even that is is up for a lot of debate. So it depends originally, I think maybe this is probably what you were getting at is is that there is a supernatural or a divine revelation that sort of triggers, this, I would say this cadence or this sort of chain of events that reaches to a scene within nature, the imprints of God, if you will.
Speaker 1:I don't believe, Rudy. Your phone call is bubbly, but we could still understand you.
Speaker 2:I don't believe that it is self-evident at all. I think it is evident.
Speaker 1:Only if you start accepting certain premises from that.
Speaker 2:Yes because if you look at all of the ancient world, all of the ancient world even Socrates and Plato and all of those great philosophers believed that some people were born to be slaves you know that there was a difference in the quality of each human being.
Speaker 1:Right, and it was not inherent in every human being. That's correct, right. So you would have to have the premises of the biblical view of man, view of human beings and view of the individual human being, not just as a collective. Yes, right.
Speaker 2:Where do you think we're at with that everybody, so we can move forward.
Speaker 5:Yeah, let me bring this back to the article for a second, because you know what's interesting about the article is the article is a publication of the Witherspoon Institute, which is a think tank at Preston University. It is not overly religious. In many ways it's very much philosophically driven. In fact, very little in there religious in many ways. It's very much philosophically driven. In fact, very little in there has to do with the Bible. That is correct.
Speaker 5:It says that people as individuals have dignity because they are human beings simply and that is, it goes on to say, animals whose rational faculties allow them to know, love, reason and communicate, and they belong to communities in which they are designed, in a sense, to flourish, or they should be able to flourish. So there's not a lot of religious focus to this article. And Robert George, who was at our library recently, was talking about some of these matters. And it is an institute that welcomes people of various faiths. They don't have to be Christian to be sort of involved in much of that conversation. So if they're willing to accept the fact that the idea that human persons deserve respect, if they respect that idea, then they are willing to be a part of it, regardless of their faith tradition.
Speaker 2:But David, I would argue that that itself is a religious tenet, which is wait a minute. The equality of people is a religious tenet. It is not obvious, it's not self-evident, no, it's not Right it comes from. All men are created equal, and so if you have, for example, in Hinduism in Hinduism up to the late 19th century, wives were burned in the pyre no, they would throw themselves into the power sometimes, husbands well, that's arguable, but but all I'm saying is you're not talking, we're not talking about.
Speaker 2:I think a lot of people, a lot, have had to to accept the, the, the dignity of the human person, because the world has become westernized to a large degree. That's where the, the united nations charter, gets its, gets most of its human rights ideas from the christian tradition and I would agree.
Speaker 5:I don't, I don't debate all no, I think that's exactly right, but that's just simply that's a matter of history. Yes, that it has been the Christian tradition, rather than other traditions, that have been feeding into the Western culture for so, so long, even though we're unable to sort of detect that anymore is having this transcendent element to it.
Speaker 2:We're now to go to a break and when we come back we're going to be dealing with a second pillar, which is sexuality and family. This is 1078 K&TH and we will be right back.
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Speaker 2:The Answer Welcome back to a show of faith here on 1070 KNTH. The Answer, and now we are going on to the second pillar of a decent and energetic society. And the second pillar is sexuality and family. And, rudy, you're going to get first crack at it.
Speaker 1:Hello, is that because he's cracked?
Speaker 5:That's because he's getting married soon.
Speaker 9:Yeah, mazel tov. So I think, thank you, thank you. I think part of what it says, though, is your family, let's call it unit, if you will, or your familiar sort of upbringing. This is, primordially and fundamentally, where you learn a lot of values, morality, right, what's right and wrong, and, across history and we actually have a lot of data regarding this is when you grow up in these familiar settings, especially for men, but they're less prone to dropping out of school, they're less prone to ending up in jails or sort of behavioral institutions, more prone to violence.
Speaker 9:So you learn how to be cohesive with a society, while doing this in the micro, if you will, within your family, so by dealing with conflict.
Speaker 9:These are sort of the first lines of defense that you have as a child.
Speaker 9:Like being brought up is the correction that happens from a parent, from a dad, from a mother, and these are the things that teach you how to kind of engage correctly, or positively, if you will, with your community. And when you have a good example of a female and a good example of a male, then you grow up with this sort of equal understanding that they're both of equal dignity, if you will kind of go back to what we were saying in the first pillar, that each one of them has sort of their own I don't mean to say role, but their own place within the family right. I mean we have different characteristics, we have different temperaments, and it's for a reason. And so when we kind of rely on that pillar, I think it's kind of one of the fundamental things of a positive society, if you will. But I really think you can't get to the second one if you will. I mean, it's kind of interesting that the first one is the human dignity right, because without that then the second one just doesn't even make any sense Exactly.
Speaker 1:That's why Mario said it was the most important of the five.
Speaker 2:Yes, Now let's go to the second half of this. We're talking about family. What about sexuality, david, especially with what's going on today?
Speaker 5:Yeah, well, I mean, part of the real question is and part of what the article is intending. And part of what the article is intending is it says that it's been looking at the legal and it looks at the sociological and the psychological, all of that. I mean, there's nothing more complicated about human beings, I don't think, than their sexuality. It's the thing that often goes off the rails at some particular point, is the thing that often goes off the rails at some particular point. And I think that one of the big challenges these days is that the idea of family has been truncated to say that a single parent or parents of the same sex, or something like that, are roughly equal to and I don't know that that's been demonstrated yet.
Speaker 5:I mean, when you look at all of nature, all of nature beyond us, let's say the mammals and the birds and those kind of things, the birds and bees what we find is that most intact families that raise the next generation correctly and well are those of different genders, different sexuality, male and female, and I think that's a part of what the question is for this organization.
Speaker 5:They want to understand and look at all of the real good science that is behind what's going on right now in the gender studies movement and the gender dysphoria and the issue of sexuality and such. So at the very end, this is in assessing the many measurements and animated decisions that fallible and equationally politically motivated scientists make. In other words, there are some scientists that are out there that are politically motivated and there are some that are fallible, some that make mistakes, and not every thing that can be said now from a Christian point of view. I have to maintain, as a Christian and as a believer, that God has made us male and female and that we live in a complementarity of graces go back, to use Rudy's terminology and that the family is ideally set up to bring those two things together in a beautiful, meaningful way for the raising of the next generation.
Speaker 2:And you know, david, what's happened. We have to go to a break in a minute, but I don't know if you've been reading, but it's affecting the churches, because I was just reading an article today about the Methodists splitting up, and the splitting up has been the acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle as an authentic lifestyle, representative of the Christian community, and of course, that's what split them up. And you know, there's no question about people loving each other, but loving each other and having gay relationships is very, very different. You can love without involving sexuality, okay we've got to go to a break.
Speaker 2:This is 1070 KNTH and when we come back, we're going to be dealing with the next one. Which is what's the next one? David, do you remember? The next one is education education, education and no, the next one, yeah, the next one is education.
Speaker 1:Okay, I will do it quickly, but I want my two cents on sexuality and family.
Speaker 2:Okay, got it. Well, when we come back, this is 1070 KNTH and we'll be right back.
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Speaker 1:Okay, Stuart, you wanted to say a quick one, just real quick, and maybe this is a sidestep.
Speaker 1:But my greatest worry between the society and the K is not the sexuality part, it's the family part and it's not related to the dysphoria and all that other stuff.
Speaker 1:That's to me a different world that I'm not necessarily that much a part of. Okay, what worries me is the family decreasing in numbers because the society and the way in which they have, first of all, painted males. Second of all, they've placed males in a position where they have to be the instigator of creating the family, like asking out on a date, and the fact that our society is so crazy now that there are more and more and more men who will not even start dating, which means they don't get to create a family because the society has made divorce and everything else so skewed against them that they are just simply not. They've just taken themselves out of for lack of a better term the marketplace that creates the family. And what does that mean? It means that populations decrease the family as the center of the society goes away and it crumbles. And that has nothing to do with gay rights and glb key to you know the whole.
Speaker 2:none of that okay that to me is a greater worry okay, let's go on to education and culture. Let me read this sentence no society can maintain its coherence or existence without a place for tradition in education. No progress would be possible if we had to begin afresh with each generation and could not stand upon the accomplishments of those who preceded us. It's my sense that what's happening, especially in public education and this is something that goes on with this, which very much is starting in June, because in June is Gay Pride Month and what happens in education, is that a lot of schools are are educating not only in the issue of sexuality, but also in the issues of values, relativism, in other words, we are, we're talking about the different. You know, it's kind of like tradition has nothing to offer and we are cutting ourselves off.
Speaker 1:Tradition is what created the problems in our universe. We have to get away from the bad tradition.
Speaker 2:That's the point.
Speaker 5:David, you want to come in there, yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, as an educator all these years I have a kind of vested interest in all this and all this, and I think part of the issue is that, you know, the Western tradition has been sidelined in favor of other kinds of studies. And let me just give an example. That happened about 30 years ago. There was a very wealthy family, inas, that wanted to give yale university 200 million dollars to start a western civilization program, western tradition, western study of western history kind of thing. And initially the university took the money and they went to the faculty and they said, okay, now we need to have this program. And it was so opposed by the faculty. They didn't want to teach the Western tradition because the Western tradition was the problem, got it, it was colonialization, it was this, it was that. And so the study of Western history was set aside and Yale University basically ended up giving the money back to the family. It was a huge kind of embarrassment, but it was kind of a coming of age of the story of what's happened.
Speaker 5:In a lot of universities around the country. That whole idea of teaching the tradition has become anathema. It is, yeah, because the tradition has become anathema. It is Because the tradition has been what has gotten us here in the first place, and I would argue so. I think what the Witherspoon Society is about is saying look, there is a place for exploring and critiquing the past, but there is also a place for us trying to understand the past as well and to appreciate what it has brought in terms of positive function, positive values.
Speaker 2:But I would argue here that what has changed it is what many are calling cultural Marxism.
Speaker 1:See now yes.
Speaker 2:Marxism. See now, yes, cultural Marxism is what develops Marx. Under the, the Marxists of the early 20th century understood that the reason there was not an economic revolution in England and in other capitalist countries was the fact that the proletariat had been dulled in their almost drugged into a kind of a superficial and stupefied satisfaction, and so they began to ask what can we bring about to bring the at the revolution, the Marxist revolution that overthrows everything the Western stands for? And they began to go to culture. That's where you get critical race theory, that's where you get this colonialism.
Speaker 1:No, every part of the list you're now giving is derived from changing two simple words in the Marxist, exactly derived from changing two simple words in the. Marxist, exactly Oppressor and oppressed. They went from the bourgeoisie and the proletariat to the oppressor and the oppressed, and then they could take the idea of oppression and make it.
Speaker 2:And now the Western civilization is considered the oppressor.
Speaker 1:And, by the way, that, to me, is a modern, greater issue than what had been college campuses indoctrinating on sex and sexuality. Now it's oppressor and oppressed. That's right, rudy.
Speaker 9:I just think that nobody's playing by the same rules anymore anymore. I mean, if you think about what sort of going back to this I know it's kind of this sort of Judeo-Christian mentality right, equal dignity of man okay, the equal dignity of person, that means that you and I, when we go to have a discussion, when we go to have a debate or something, then we both agree on certain fundamental principles while we engage. This right, but the reality is that so much of our culture doesn't even acknowledge the fundamental basics that when they go to engage in any type of dialogue or any type of exchange, then there's just no more charitable, it's just not charitable anymore. It's just like a kind of attack and utter destruction of that type of opposing ideology.
Speaker 2:But, rudy, that comes from the whole premise of Marxism. Marxism understands that Western civilization has to be overthrown. They don't necessarily know what's going to happen. They don't know what's going to happen afterwards. It's a sort of a utopian thing. They just know that western civilization, in all of its expressions, all the way from sexuality to the family, to private property, to colonialization, to culture, all of that is being attacked because it is seen as oppressive, as a as the oppressor.
Speaker 2:The ones who have gained any advantage or the advantage, and so they are trying to overthrow everything. But when ask them, what are you going to replace it with? They have no answer.
Speaker 1:They just think something is going to happen. They do have an answer. Their answer is socialism, because they don't understand what that is.
Speaker 2:They don't understand what that is. But at the same time, when you really read the literature, you're not just talking about socialism, which means the economic part. We're talking about socialism, which means the economic part. We're talking about the family. What? Why do you think this whole issue of the family overthrowing the family, of overthrowing sexuality, overthrowing everything that?
Speaker 1:absolutely. The family becomes the oppressor.
Speaker 2:Having a family becomes the oppressor yeah, because instead of allowing your children's women that's right oppresses children.
Speaker 1:because you can't tell parents about the sexuality of their children, who still believe in Santa Claus. They're still old enough to believe in Santa Claus but don't tell their parents.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you see these things, these parent meetings going through all over the nation, with parents getting up to challenge school boards because they are bringing this oppressor versus oppressed into the sexuality.
Speaker 1:And then those boards see the family and the parents as the oppressors. That's right, and they get rid of them and you're just you know that's part of what you're.
Speaker 5:What you've got to do with here is the people who are in power become the oppressors. Yes, so if you're on the school board, then you can oppress or you can deny or you can silence people with whom you don't agree. That's one of my name. George Gancy is a professor at Baylor University. He's African and he's Christian and he said he said far more trouble in the academy being Christian than he has being black. So the idea of being a Christian and being in an academy, in a state school, particularly where he was teaching before he came to Baylor, was he was silenced, he was put aside, he was marginalized as a Christian Because being a Christian is the oppressor, so the oppressor the people who claim to have been oppressed end up becoming the oppressors the next time around, and so they will naturally simply oppress those.
Speaker 5:What's next is the oppressed supposedly become the oppressors, and so there'll be a whole new group of oppressed after that.
Speaker 1:That's standard operating procedure when socialism takes over and it becomes the rule by the elite. I forgot what that's called Oligarchy. No, I can't remember.
Speaker 2:Rudy Rudy, Last call on this topic. Rudy On the next topic. No on this topic. On this topic.
Speaker 9:Oh, I think we covered it pretty well. I mean, I just find that when there's, I just find that people aren't playing, and as Christians, and as christians and as jews, we sort of expect to keep turning the other cheek. And to keep turning the other cheek. If they keep turning the other cheek until what? Until another holocaust happens? Okay, like when you know, until when do we just expect for jesus to come back right and then the world's going to end, because that's sort of the apocalyptic.
Speaker 2:But that's why, especially that's why this whole notion of turning the other cheek is balanced, especially in the Catholic tradition, is balanced with what's even called the just war theory and the right to self-defense, and so it's the turning of the other cheek. You can turn your other cheek, but you can't turn another person's cheek. Now, that's the big difference. Okay, and when we come back, now we're going to go to a break, and when we come back we're going to be dealing with two topics but I'm going to give, because there's five of them and we only have four sections and the next one we're going to be dealing with is politics and law, and the one that we're sort of going to have to give short shrifts to is business and economics. But right now, next time we're going to talk about politics and law on the other side of the break, 1070k and th the answer, and we'll be right back am 1070 the answer?
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Speaker 2:The answer? Oh, I'd miss this song. What's happening here? What? It is ain't exactly clear. There's a man with a gun over there Telling me what I've got to beware. Think it's time we stopped. What's that sound? Everybody? Look what's going down. Let it go. One more verse. One more verse.
Speaker 2:There's bad lines being drawn, cause nobody's right, cause everybody's wrong. Young people speak in their minds. They're getting so much resistance From behind Time to stop. Hey, what's that sound? Everybody, look what's going down. That song is, to me, extremely appropriate for what we're discussing. The last one here is politics and law. Let me allow me to read something from a great thinker, robert P George. He says politics and law, as Robert P George observes, are necessary because none of us is perfectly virtuous all the time and because some overarching authority must be responsible for the common good. There's a, as I think it's Plato. Who said the definition? I think Plato or Aristotle, I can't remember. Who said the very definition of politics is basically how ought we to live together? How ought we to live together? Stuart want to kick it off. How ought we to live together?
Speaker 1:Stuart want to kick it off Again. I can't help but wonder if certain topics are just diversions from to divert our attentions from more central things. When you have, when you're supposed to have, politics and law as a central need for a decent society, and then you have district attorneys, prosecuted attorneys who run for election on the premise that they will not put people in jail for certain crimes. Yes, where's the law? What was the power?
Speaker 2:and it's all political I want you to notice the Marxist origin of that. You know why?
Speaker 1:Because the law is the oppressor Right and the criminal is the oppressed, and the laws were made by white men anyway, and they're oppressor and oppressed. And there's oppressor and oppressed.
Speaker 2:When you get that, when you begin to understand the whole notion of cultural Marxism that everything is divided into oppressor and oppressed.
Speaker 1:Once you begin to understand that it used to be the bourgeois and the proletariat.
Speaker 2:Now it's the oppressor and oppressed, oppressor and oppressed.
Speaker 1:Because the bourgeois were the oppressors. That's right, david.
Speaker 5:Well, a part of what our founding fathers said many years ago. I think it was James Madison who made the statement that this Constitution and this country that we're building is going to be made for people who are virtuous, virtuous people. So there was an assumption going in that people were sort of hardwired to be virtuous, to be good, to seek the good, and they had been trained that way in the Christian and Jewish traditions to be good people. And so law comes along and says, okay, well, when people aren't good because we're not all good all the time, when laws aren't good or when people aren't good, then therefore their laws just sort of stop them and open them away.
Speaker 5:But the whole idea is I think that is right is that we have to have politics to live together and we have to have law in order to help us, because we're not all going to be good all the time. We're going sometimes to make mistakes and we're going to sometimes go against the law, and when that happens there is recourse for the common good. And that's what the point is. This is for the good of everybody, not the good of one person over against another, but for the good of all. So it is good for all the people who are thieves and who break into stores, let's say, to be jailed. It's good for all the people who engage in violence, let's say domestic violence, for one of that party to be separated from their other party, the other spouse, you know, for a period of time and perhaps that might be in jail, perhaps that might be a time of separation.
Speaker 1:It seems to me that the condemnation of the law is that they see the law as in and of itself as condemning and they are forgetting the fact that it's the law itself which tells the burglars and the thieves and whatever how to get back on the right side of the law. The law itself says you have been found guilty, serve your time done. Now you're okay with the law again until you break the law again. Yep, exactly, really that.
Speaker 9:I had a conversation this weekend.
Speaker 9:I was at the first communion of a family member, my cousin's younger son, and there was a lady there and she asked me we were talking and then this conversation came up and I told her yeah, I was on a radio show and it's kind of funny because I think that most people want to know how sort of the interaction is between the rabbi and sort of the Christian group right and sort of the Christian group right.
Speaker 9:And I always say I'm like you know it's interesting because of course there's a lot of fundamental things that we disagree on.
Speaker 9:But when we actually reach the point of the application of a sort of communal coexistence, I think that Jews and Christians kind of are the only two groups that can kind of find common ground and what we have is sort of the fruits of this kind of labor right the society and culture that we exist in today. And I think that's where they kind of you know, because it's easy to kind of get into the details and I think there's a lot of abuse that happens within culture and kind of sorry, kind of going back to what you were saying, father is when you identify the people right, the sort of inherent tradition, these people that impose this law on you, that carry it over for you, where it's this thing against your father or your grandfather, or the more privileged one, or the white man or whatever it is, then you relate everything that they sort of stand for or try to fight for as something that is keeping people down, and so again to me. I keep thinking that I think we're the only ones playing by the rules anymore.
Speaker 2:Frankly, when you keep saying playing by the rules, I agree with you because you know, and I keep on going back to this, because the whole issue of cultural Marxism is the changing of the rules. It is the basic presumption of guilt on those. For those who are in authority or power, the presumption of guilt of oppression has has shifted.
Speaker 1:And that's why they can cancel people. There is no such thing as forgiveness. If a person did something as a 20-year-old in an email or something, they can still be held accountable in their 60s, 50s, decades later. Held accountable, canceled out, because they don't believe in forgiveness. They don't believe a person can change David.
Speaker 5:I think that's right. I think that there's not much of a belief in redemption. There's only redemption for people of your ilk, for people who believe what you believe and think what you think. But if somebody comes from a different point of view, then there's not much forgiveness there, nope. But there's plenty of forgiveness for those who are going to be in agreement with you and accepting you regardless?
Speaker 1:And where's the law and justice? Where's the justice in the law when they do that? Where's the law when they do that? Where's the law when they do that?
Speaker 5:Well, you know, part of what this article says and I think it's right is that, when we go back to these five pillars, the law is to guarantee the dignity of all people. It's to guarantee the safety of the family, the good of the family. It's to guarantee the educational system that it be available to as many as needed and such and that it be as equal and fair and such as possible. And that, going back to the area we didn't discuss, business economics is that you know that business be conducted correctly and well and that any bad actors in business are ultimately called into account. Honesty in business, instead of condemnation of any particular kind of business you know or any particular kind of economic system. You know socialism and you know. It seems this particular article seems to merit economic system socialism. It seems this particular article seems to merit of a capitalism that is brought to heel by a virtuous people. Virtuous people will lead virtuous companies to do good products for the most people and not harm the environment, not harm people in the doing of it.
Speaker 2:And that's why this democracy is made for virtuous people. It cannot stand when it's being used for just gain or any other purpose.
Speaker 1:What a scary future we have.
Speaker 2:Yes, we do. I want to begin to close our discussion tonight by recommending two books that I highly recommend for all of our listeners. One is extremely fat but it's excellent. It's called dominion, by tom holland domin, how the Christian Revolution Remade the World. And then the other book that I highly recommend is called the Air we Breathe by how we all came to believe in freedom, kindness, progress and Equality, by Glenn Scrivner. I highly, highly, highly recommend both of those books.
Speaker 1:And that second book is the book, not the song, that's right. The Air we Breathe by Air Supply right.
Speaker 2:The Air we Breathe, yeah, so okay, well, just to know.
Speaker 5:Rudy's in town next week.
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