A Show of Faith
Millennial, Priest, Minister, and Rabbi walk into a radio station...
A Show of Faith
May 11, 2025 The American Pope: Leo XIV's Unprecedented Election
The surprise election of Pope Leo XIV has sent ripples through the Catholic world and beyond. Born Robert Prevost in Chicago's south side, he represents a historic first—an American Pope—defying longstanding assumptions that the universal church would never select a pontiff from the United States due to concerns about concentrating too much influence in one region.
What makes Pope Leo XIV particularly fascinating is his dual identity. While American-born and educated at Villanova University with a degree in mathematics, he spent over three decades serving as a missionary and bishop in Peru, eventually becoming a dual citizen. This unique background positions him as a bridge between North and South America, between wealth and poverty, between the developed and developing world. His multilingual abilities—speaking English, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, French, and reading Latin and German—further emphasize his global perspective.
As the first Augustinian Pope, he brings the spiritual traditions and values of his order: charity, unity, prayer, worship, and community living. The significance of his chosen papal name shouldn't be overlooked either. Pope Leo XIII guided the Church through the Industrial Revolution with influential teachings on social justice and economic systems. Similarly, Pope Leo XIV appears positioned to address our modern technological revolution—the challenges of artificial intelligence, digital interconnection, and rapid information exchange—with his background in mathematics potentially offering unique insights.
The discussions surrounding his election reveal fascinating theological differences between Catholic and Protestant understandings of the Church. From the Catholic perspective, there is fundamentally only one Church, with all validly baptized Christians being part of that single body, even if some "bones" are broken. This understanding means the Pope sees himself as having pastoral responsibility for all Christians, not just Catholics—a concept many Protestants would find surprising or even objectionable.
Whether you're Catholic, Protestant, or simply interested in how religious leadership shapes our world, Pope Leo XIV's unexpected emergence on the global stage represents a fascinating moment worth following. How will this American-Peruvian mathematician Pope guide the world's largest religious institution through the challenges of the 21st century? Subscribe to hear more analysis like this on religious developments shaping our world.
There's something happening here, what it is ain't exactly clear. There's a man with a gun over there Telling me I've got to beware. I think it's time we stop. Children, what's that sound? Everybody look what's going down. The satellite's being drawn. Nobody's right if everybody's wrong. Young people speak in their minds. Are getting so much resistance From behind every time we stop hey, what's that sound? Everybody look what's going down.
Speaker 2:Rudy. Nobody is picking up on Rudy. Oh, hello, and welcome to the show of faith here on KNTH 1070, the Answer where professor, priest, millennial and rabbi discuss theology and philosophy and anything else of interest in religion. If you have any response to our topics or comments regarding what we say, we would love to hear from you. Love, love, we really wouldn't. You can hear our shows again and again by listening to pretty much everywhere podcasts are heard. Tonight with us is Professor David Capes, who is our Baptist minister. He is the director of academic programming for the Lanier Theological Library.
Speaker 4:Good to see you, Fr. Mario.
Speaker 2:Our priest me. I am Fr Mario. I am retired pastor, senior pastor of St Cyril of Alexandria Catholic Church in the 10,000 block of Westheimer. Rudy is our millennial. He is a systems engineer and has a master's degree in theology from the University of St Thomas. And tonight he is on the air with us, with his lovely wife Natalia. He is not yet on.
Speaker 4:He's not yet on. Wait, we've got a thumbs down, so hopefully he will call in. He says he's trying to call in, so hopefully he'll get through here. Okay, yep, and.
Speaker 2:Stuart is not with us.
Speaker 4:Stuart is not Our friend Stuart Federo. You know he's not really dedicated to the show. I know he is up. He's up in Dallas spending time with his daughter. Can you imagine? Geez, yeah, rather than me.
Speaker 2:If I had to choose my child or the show, you know what I'd choose? You would choose the show. I would choose the show. Of course, I have no children, so that makes it an easy choice.
Speaker 4:You have lots and lots of children. All right, rudy is on. We do have him on, we're on rudy rootster he's not on yeah, oh, there he is, we hear him. We hear him now. Okay, hey, rudy is here and he has. I guess the thing that you need to know about rudy is that he married way over his head way out of my league way out of your league.
Speaker 4:Yeah, league, a league of her own, a league of her own. So anyway, but he lives in guatemala and so we are missing him up here in Houston.
Speaker 2:And, rudy, do you realize that I am sitting here with David Capes, who has bright red shoes on Bright red? You know why he has bright red shoes?
Speaker 3:I'm afraid to ask you to tell me.
Speaker 2:Well, I yeah, because the Pope normally wore red shoes, but now he's chosen not to, and so, in his honor, david Capes has worn red shoes, red slippers yes, they're actually tennis shoes red tennis shoes and they look like they're pretty brand new under armor.
Speaker 4:Yeah, just went out and bought them this weekend just in honor of Pope Francis. Why did you choose red? Oh, I just like the color. I just like the color May.
Speaker 2:God forgive you.
Speaker 4:Yes, he will. Hey, listen, we're going to talk about Pope, the new Pope. Pope tonight, Pope Leo XIV, who is an American of all things. Who is an American of all things.
Speaker 2:Let me tell you, nobody, nobody expected an American, because the common wisdom has been that the universal church would prefer not to have. See, this is kind of like the way that, shall we say, the common rumor, the common, not wisdom, but the common story goes, and that is that the American church is considered a fairly wealthy church and contributes quite a bit to the Vatican and the rest of the world. And so since we are an outsized block, shall we say that the normal accepted, the accepted story was that the cardinals of the church of the world would not want to couple that with an american as pope because it would give too much weight, too much power too much power to the united states.
Speaker 4:You know trump is the one to pull that in. You know he made a deal with conclave. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I know, of course, uh, but you know it is unusual and I I don't think I had heard anything quite like this before uh happening. Now we did have an america, I mean in terms from this hemisphere, that's true, that is the Western Hemisphere. First time that that had happened, yes, right, and so now we've had the second one from this hemisphere, that's right.
Speaker 2:So when everybody, when they said Robert Pavon, what was it? Prevost, prevost, and he is. Everybody knew he's an American, I think half the world fainted. Half the world fainted. But here's the interesting part, that is the Catholic world. Yes, okay, but here's the interesting part, that is the Catholic world. Yes, but here's the interesting part. When I've heard the cardinals speak, the cardinals that were on the conclave, they said that his Americanness was hardly ever even a factor.
Speaker 4:Is that because he was also a citizen of Peru?
Speaker 2:Yes, I think it's because he has spent a large amount of his time as a missionary in Peru. He was a bishop in the diocese in Peru and he has been working in the Vatican and he is largely unknown in the United States. Okay, and he is largely unknown in the United States, okay, so he was never considered when we talked about the American cardinals. He was never mentioned Among the cardinals, because he's a cardinal, technically born in the United States, but he's not. He wasn't a cardinal in the United States, okay, yeah, and so Was he ever a bishop in the United States? But he's not. He wasn't a cardinal in the united states?
Speaker 4:okay, yeah, and so was he ever a bishop in? The united states no, okay, so he's never a bishop or a cardinal in the united states, so his leadership took place primarily in peru, south america, yep, majority world country, and then also in the vatican cells, okay what you got anything else to add to that.
Speaker 3:No, I think it's frankly. I think he's a great bridge, if you will, between the Americas, because he is American. He is Chicago, south Chicago, born and lived there for a bit and lived there for a bit, but a lot of his ministry and missionary work has been in very, very poor areas, if you will. So he has family in the United States. He has that perspective of America, if you will, but he's also lived, touched, breathed in really remote and poor communities, if you will. So I think it's going to be. You know he's already gotten some heat out of some tweets. I don't know if you guys saw that already, but we can get into that later A little bit.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm curious what are people in Guatemala I mean, guatemala is mainly a Catholic country, right? I mean in terms of religious, what are they?
Speaker 3:saying down there, there's a lot of evangelical churches here. I don't know what we would call it Father Mario, there's a word but it's where they mix sort of like indigenous culture with Catholic teaching, if you will syncretism yeah, syncretism yeah syncretism.
Speaker 3:so there's, there's, there's a bit of that too, um, but for the most part I think I think people have this kind of optimism about his perspective and his work. Really, for the most part, I haven't really heard too much. I mean, as Catholics, we're glad that the seat is no longer empty, right, and we trust in the Holy Spirit that's guiding the Church. So to some large degree you know, regardless, if we would have been Italian, american, chinese, like African, it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:That's the man who needed to be in that chair right now. I heard that in the conclave there was really hardly any sort of weight given to where a person's from. It's more of what does he bring to the direction of the church, and I think that when they saw him, he's well known among the cardinals. And the reason he's well known is because for the last year and a half to two years, he has been in charge of recommending to the bishops who should be picked as bishop. Yeah, yeah, who should be picked as bishop.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, so he's involved in a very significant place, influential place within the Vatican, right? Yeah, rudy, you said that he was originally from Chicago, south side of Chicago. I'm wondering well, I'm not going to wonder about that, I was going to say something rather silly, you know, but I'm not going to say it. Does he like the deep dish? Well, no, I thought maybe he. You know, in his former life he might have been known as Bad, bad Leroy Brown, but I don't know about that. But then Jesus did a big work in his life and he's now a cardinal. But no, I mean, that is a rough part of the city. I've lived up there. I know it's a rough part of the city and a lot of crime takes place up there and it's a very difficult time. But he is a Chicago White Sox fan, I found out.
Speaker 2:That's what I have I heard?
Speaker 4:You heard about that.
Speaker 2:That is a basketball team. No, that's baseball actually. Oh Base.
Speaker 4:That is a basketball team. No, that's baseball actually. Oh, baseball. They have two baseball teams Chicago Cubs and Chicago White.
Speaker 2:Sox, okay, okay.
Speaker 4:The White Sox beat the Astros a few years back in the World Series. Oh, they did, yeah, they did four games straight. It was very tough, was it five games?
Speaker 3:I think it's 05. Was that 2005?
Speaker 4:It might have been.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was back in that era, yeah, I think there's a video of now Pope Leo XIV attending the game Of that game really.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Whoa, whoa. Did he dance? Did he get up and do a holy dance when they won the Astros?
Speaker 3:That's probably why they won to be honest.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right, I don't know.
Speaker 4:You have to. I mean, you know some people.
Speaker 2:I know it doesn't fit your profile exactly, but some people enjoy sports you know, yeah, Some people do Especially well the World Series, that's golf, right.
Speaker 4:No, no, that's also baseball. World series, that's golf, right? No, no, that's, that's also baseball. Well, that's baseball, baseball. Yeah, the rider cup, now, that's, that's that's I thought the rider cup was horse racing. No, it's actually not. No, it's called the kentucky derby oh, oh gosh I thought that was football the derby no, that's darby derby, derby, derby. Yeah, they play football, but football is really soccer over there.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I'm really not that dumb people, I just have a reputation.
Speaker 4:You have a reputation to live up to. Hey, listen before we go to break. One of the things that I did in preparation for the show is I was curious to what Pope Leo has been saying about Protestants all this time. Interesting, yeah, and he made a statement a few years back, if you help me explain it to us, that he thought that Protestants were barnacles on the bark of Peter. I don't think he said that. You don't think he said that. I said that. You said that. You don't think he said that. I said that, you said that. Well, I think he's quoting you, but I don't speak Latin, so what does that mean exactly?
Speaker 2:A barnacle on the bark of Peter. Yes, Barnacle.
Speaker 4:Aren't barnacles sort of low?
Speaker 2:in life forms. No, no, barnacle.
Speaker 3:That does sound like something Mario would say to the audience.
Speaker 2:It was, yeah, was. You guys know what a barnacle is? Yeah, I know what a barnacle. For those of you who don't know, they are crustaceans, I think, or are they that attach to the hull of a boat, and uh, they're mollusks or something, yes, so, and they attach themselves that way. And the bark of peter's considered the uh and they attach themselves that way and the bark of Peter is considered the ship of Peter heading.
Speaker 4:So bark is the word meaning ship, ship, yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, barnacles, on the bark of Peter you attach. Yeah, we have to go to break, but the barnacle attaches itself to the hall of Peter, so you all are in for the ride.
Speaker 4:We're in for the ride, but we're lower life I will explain that when we come back.
Speaker 2:This is KMTH 1070, and we'll be right back.
Speaker 9:AM 1070, the answer. We've just witnessed an historic election where over 75 million people mandated that the United States focus on the economy. More people than ever are moving to Texas and we're growing at a rapid pace. With that growth comes more opportunity than ever to reach new customers. So is your business positioned to boom in a better economy? Can customers find you when they search online? Do you show up properly in local search so that you're not losing to your competitors? Do you have a strong message and strategy to help you win new customers in 2025.? If not, it's not too late. Contact Salem Surround and AM 1070 the answer. Today by emailing us at info at SalemMediaHoustoncom. We'll provide a free digital audit and a plan to help you win in 2025. That's info at SalemMediaHoustoncom.
Speaker 1:Salem, what a job you do. It's great. I'm telling you. Salem has really done a fantastic job. I just want to thank you. You have courage. You have really courage, because I know it's not easy. Congratulations.
Speaker 7:Don't miss this once-in-a-lifetime adventure. Set sail August 16th through the 23rd on the Patriots Alaska Cruise. With me, mike Gallagher, and our friends Larry Elder and Jennifer Horn, joe Piscopo experience breathtaking glaciers, fjords and wildlife, all while diving into critical discussions about America's future with hundreds of like-minded patriots on the ship. Cabins are going fast. Text TRAVEL to 94878. Right now, to secure your spot before it's too late, just text the keyword TRAVEL to 94878 for the Patriots Alaska Cruise, charlie Kirk here's the chatter.
Speaker 6:There might be dips and there might be little speed bumps and there might be corrections, but there is an even private agreement amongst people who hate President Donald Trump they believe that this long-term economic realignment will work and finally, we have a president that is rejecting to indulge and engage in immediate gratification.
Speaker 9:The Charlie Kirk Show weekdays at noon on AM 1070 and FM 103.3.
Speaker 2:The Answer Okay, well, welcome back here to the show of faith.
Speaker 2:I know not everybody has got a body like you, because you know we're talking about the Pope tonight and when you get into serious theology, especially serious theology from the perspective of the Catholic theology. I don't know if many of our listeners know this, but let me give you an example. Several years ago there was a gentleman here who was a pastor of a protestant church, and I'll never forget it because as we were walking out the building he asked I don't remember the gentleman's name he said father, what is the process that a person would have to would go through to leave the Catholic Church and become a member of another church? And because I have several men I mean several people in my congregation that would like to formally leave the Catholic Church and become members of my church, and he asked me that question Is there a procedure that you go through? And so I looked at him and I said do you have any children? And he says yeah, I have two children.
Speaker 2:I said what's the procedure for them to unchild themselves from you, to unchild themselves from you? Is there any way for them to stop being your children and stop being related to you? And he goes uh, no. And I said there's no way that you can unpart yourself from being part of the church. Once you're baptized, you are part of the one church. I was just telling David that my best image of the brokenness of the church right now between Protestants, catholics and different parts of the body of Christ is the image of a body, but imagine a human body that has a broken bone.
Speaker 4:Or two.
Speaker 2:Or two. Okay, you still are one body. The union of the body is not perfect because it has some broken bones, but it is still one body. You would never say that the arm say the arm that is broken is no longer part of the body so by by joining another church or protestant church, you're still part you're still part of the catholic church still part of the catholic church.
Speaker 4:But you, you're a. Is that a point?
Speaker 2:a broken arm at that point yeah, but like, for example, you still you're a Baptist, but you are still, in one real sense, part of the Catholic Church. We may be, you know, have a broken tradition, but you're still part of the one body of the Church.
Speaker 4:Well, every week in a lot of churches around the city and the world, there's a thing called the Nicene Creed. That's correct, and after scripture is read and after the sermon, and such people will stand up and they will recite the Nicene Creed. Part of that recital is we believe in one holy Catholic and and apostolic church. Now, the word catholic there means what I mean in.
Speaker 2:In that sense I know the word catholic there means remember where the word comes from. It means catholic meaning in relationship to the whole. Christ came to establish one church, okay not 33 not 33 000 or you know. So when we use the word catholic referring to a denomination, that's really a full sense of the. Catholica is the one body of Christ. You can't be a denomination and be Catholic, because it's not a denomination, it is the one church, and we recognize protesters as part of the church.
Speaker 2:Now we were saying I was just telling David that when a Protestant wants to become Catholic in the Catholic Church, we cannot re-baptize, because you are already baptized.
Speaker 4:So if you're baptized in the Baptist Church or Lutheran or whatever.
Speaker 3:That's if they use the same Trinitarian.
Speaker 2:Well, no because yes and no Because, Rudy. The problem is this. The problem that is, if you don't baptize in the Trinitarian formula, you're not Christian, You're not part of the body. Just start. For example, Mormons are not Christians, they're not Christian, You're not part of the body. Just start. For example, Mormons are not Christians. They're great people, wonderful people. Jehovah Witnesses are wonderful people, but they're not Christians.
Speaker 4:Because their baptism they don't confess the Nicene Creed.
Speaker 2:The Creed and the Trinity and the Incarnation. So from that perspective, uh, you can't even consider yourself a christian unless you are baptizing in the name of the trinity and in the incarnation and belief, believing in the trend that's right so at that point, but that's why the pope is. It's really interesting because in one level he is still part, even though maybe not recognized in different understandings from our understanding. He is the vicar of Christ for the whole body of Christ. So he would consider himself still, pastorally, your pastor as a Protestant.
Speaker 4:That's interesting. Yeah, because a lot of Protestants wouldn't recognize that.
Speaker 2:No, they would not. But from our perspective, meaning the Catholic perspective, we, at the deepest level, understand that there is one church, and because I mean think about it that's what Nicaea said.
Speaker 4:We believe that we're one. And that's what Jesus said in John's Gospel. That's right.
Speaker 2:And so, at the deepest theological level, we can't say that there's more than one church because there's one body of Christ. You can't do it. We may be broken, we may have had problems in history.
Speaker 4:But so is every family so is every family yeah.
Speaker 3:This is why David bought those red shoes to be part of the one Catholic family.
Speaker 4:There you go. That's why I'm wearing red shoes. There you go. We'll continue talking'm wearing red shoes. There you go.
Speaker 2:We'll continue talking about this because this is an interesting point of what's called in theology. This is the area called ecclesiology. Ecclesiology is the study of the theology of the church and it's an interesting change between David, who is a member of the Baptist tradition, and me, of the Catholic tradition, known from perspective of a denomination, but at the deepest level those are actually misnomers, but we'll get into that when we come back. This is KMTH 1070, and we'll be right back.
Speaker 8:AM1070, the answer to great prices and discounts at over 500 different airlines, plus 300,000 hotels and rental car companies. Their prices are too low to publish online. With the extra money you'll save, you can book another trip or treat yourself to dinner or shopping. So stop searching all of those travel sites to find the lowest price on your next flight. Let one of our SmartFares expert travel agents find the best price for you. Call SmartFares today and get ready to see the world with a fat wallet 800-915-2644.
Speaker 1:800-915-2644. That's 800-915-2644.
Speaker 7:I can't get my computer to work.
Speaker 5:Let me help you with that. How'd you do that? I just got techie with Geeks On Site, our geeks literally come on site.
Speaker 10:No need to stop what you're doing or block off time. We come to your home office or wherever you are and we don't just fix whatever computer issues you might be having.
Speaker 9:We explain and teach you along the way. We'll help you instantly.
Speaker 4:Call 800-837-3075. That's 800-837-3075.
Speaker 9:If you're a Charlie Kirk fan. Your lunch hour has just gotten better. The Charlie Kirk Show airs now at 12 noon. You'll hear the full three hours of Charlie Kirk on the Big 1070, the Answer before Hugh Hewitt at 3. You've seen Charlie on SNC TV, youtube and many other platforms. Now we give you lunch with Charlie every day. You're welcome Charlie Kirk, weekdays noon to 3, on AM 1070 and FM 1033.
Speaker 1:The Answer, enter.
Speaker 6:There is a season, turn, turn, turn and a time to every purpose under heaven. A time to be born a time to die, a time to plant, a time to reap, a time to kill, a time to heal, a time to laugh, a time to sing.
Speaker 2:Welcome back to the show of faith.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you forgot where you were for a minute. I did that's because you've done four masses today, yeah, and you're tired, I can tell. I can see it on your face, rudy. What is it? Is there any particular draw to Pope Leo XIV? Because he is Spanish-speaking and because he is also a Peruvian citizen. He's an American citizen, but he's also a Peruvian citizen. He's an American citizen, but he's also a Peruvian citizen. Is he deemed from that part of the world? I mean, how do people look at him from that part of the world?
Speaker 3:I think people really see him as American. But the fact that he spent what? Over 30 years, I think right, father Mario outside the US and I think they're very comfortable in, he has a dual citizenship but I mean I see him as American, you know, and he may not feel too American, I'm not too sure, but I think he's in America. I mean people see him as American. Everywhere you go everybody says oh, the American pope, everybody was elected as American pope, great. They don't say oh he's, but they also say, but he spent a lot of time outside the US, in Peru, so people are recognizing that, but he's very much American.
Speaker 4:He went to school in Villanova. That's where he went to college.
Speaker 3:I have a joke about that, about Villanova. No, no about, because he got a. It's a math joke, though, so I don't know.
Speaker 4:Oh, it's a degree. He got a degree in mathematics, didn't he?
Speaker 3:He has. He does have a degree in mathematics.
Speaker 4:Well, Father Mario won't be able to appreciate this, but I will Go ahead with your joke.
Speaker 3:He, because of his degree in mathematics, he definitely understands. He not only understands sin, but he also understands cos Cos, cosine, cos and sine Cos oh.
Speaker 4:Got it. Got it Sin. Yes, what is sin? Sine and cosine.
Speaker 2:Sine and cosine Sine and cosine.
Speaker 3:Yes, what is sin?
Speaker 2:Sine and cosine, sine and cosine, sine and cosine yes, Okay, that just went over like 98, 99% of our audiences. Now what the heck are they talking?
Speaker 3:about. I think our audience is very smart.
Speaker 2:They are smart, but I bet 98% doesn't know what sin and cosin. Whatever that is Sine and cosine. We've got to go back to our math training for that 98% doesn't know what sin and cosin.
Speaker 4:Whatever that is Sin and cosin, we've got to go back to our math training for that. A math major. But Villanova Now that leads me to ask the question about he is the first Augustinian pope, right, I mean?
Speaker 2:You have to remember that in the Catholic tradition, the development of small communities or communities of men or women that came together as followers of a particular saint and, for example, pope Francis was a Jesuit, okay, but he took the name Francis Francis. The order that came together around St Francis was called the Franciscans, and the Franciscans came together around saint francis was called the franciscans, and the franciscans came together as a group of people, men and and women, some franciscans well, franciscans are men that presented themselves to the pope and said we would like to practice our faith in service constantly to the poor, and so they started what was called the franciscan order, and so that is a group of people that follow, that are disciples of christ and they're in the catholic church, but they follow the franciscan way of life.
Speaker 2:okay, and the Pope is a member of a group that follows St Augustine, and they're called Augustinians.
Speaker 4:St Augustine's earlier. That's right, yeah, yeah. So what would be the characteristics? What would be unique about them, Augustinians compared to the Franciscans?
Speaker 2:let's say Rudy, do you have anything in there?
Speaker 3:So the Augustinians tend to be. Look, there's a lot of nuances between them. They're similar If you're looking at them from kind of overhead. They do a lot of pastoral work. Augustinians are a little bit more known for do a lot of pastoral work. Augustinians are a little bit more known for doing a lot of contemplative prayer. So they're known for a lot of what we would call community life. So they live in these communities and they share most of their possessions, if not all. They live together. They're known a lot for missionary and pastoral work in a lot of remote areas, which you would find also in Franciscans and man. There's just a lot of different orders and man, there's just a lot of different orders. So a lot of it kind of boils down to really the amount, for example, of service work that they do or the amount of contemplative work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for example, that's what's called the charism, the charism of an order. Say, for example, the Franciscans would constantly have a charism, meaning a gift to serve, especially the poor. Augustinians would have that too, but in a different spirituality. They have a different kind of spirituality. The Jesuits, for example. The Jesuits would be like Francis Pope Francis was a Jesuit. They would be like Francis Pope Francis was a Jesuit. They would be very academic, they would be focused on the academic fields, and so you have that's their charism. They are teachers.
Speaker 4:And education. Education. That's right, because I mean some of the greatest schools in the country and around the world have been Jesuit schools.
Speaker 2:And so you have the Pope being Augustinian and we could do a little more research on the charism or the taste Shall we say the flavor of the Augustinians.
Speaker 3:I pulled up some of the values here. It's essentially charity and unity, prayer and worship, moderation and self-denial, care for the sick, obedience and governance. So those are essentially the values that they kind of fall under these Augustinian rules which were written by Augustine in the year around 400. Written by Augustine in the year around 400. Now the order itself wasn't formally established until 1250s, I think 1244. So it came out a time later, but it wasn't necessarily. But that doesn't mean that there weren't people living according to those charisms or those values for hundreds of years before that. That's when it was sort of recognized officially by the Pope.
Speaker 2:I find it, though I was listening to him, to the new Pope, and when he celebrated Mass with the Cardinals and he began by speaking English, and boy, you could tell it's an American English. It is.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, yes, yeah and boy you could tell it's an american english. Yeah, it is well. Yeah, it's like, for example, if I started speaking to you in spanish, okay, I would immediately know how to speak spanish with a cuban accent, because I was born in cuba. Now, even worse, because I was born in Cuba, but I came to the United States when I was 10 years old. Now the Pope got his entire education here in the United States.
Speaker 4:And it was later in life when he went to Peru. That's correct, yeah, and so he learned it.
Speaker 2:So he's. I think Rudy is very correct in this. He's got a strong American core to him.
Speaker 4:But you know, he speaks Italian, he speaks Portuguese, he speaks French, he speaks Spanish, he reads Latin, he reads German, he reads. I mean, you know other languages as well. I mean, here's a guy that he's had to, maybe, but he's needed to study these languages, so he's not very American when it comes to that, because Americans usually know one language and we don't know it that well.
Speaker 2:I think that this is a guy who's American but he's exposed to himself to a tremendous amount of international culture. I have high hopes for him.
Speaker 4:I know we've got to go to break here in just a minute, but what I found interesting is, as I was reading about him, almost all sort of the news reports initially were what does he think about Trump's immigration policy? What does he think about the LGBTQ questions? What does he think about diversity and such? What does he think about climate change? I mean, it's as if these are the sort of the litmus test. You've got to ask these questions because these are the things that are on the mind of the reporter, let's say Of American reporters, Of American reporters. But you go around the world and I would think that some of those things might be the same, but but the majority are not. A lot of them are very different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, when you're talking about LGBTQ stuff and DEI and stuff like that, that's not a world priority.
Speaker 4:That's pretty, yeah. Well, climate change is Climate change. Climate change is a little different, because a lot of people around the world are concerned and they feel that the poor of a country are those who are going to be paying the highest price for whatever happens.
Speaker 2:Rich people can take care of whatever, but people who are poor are going to be the ones left holding the stick on that We'll have to see, because between India and China they have a lot of poor people and they're not very concerned about climate change. Well, that's true. This is KNTH 1070, and we'll be right back.
Speaker 9:AM 1070 and FM 1033, the answer.
Speaker 10:Let's be honest, no one ever thinks about their garage until it stops working. The problem is worn-out springs, cables and rollers can break before they give any sign of trouble. Don't wait until a simple garage door repair becomes a major problem. If your garage is noisy, if bugs are getting in or if it struggles to open, your garage door is in need of repairs. If bugs are getting in or if it struggles to open, your garage door is in need of repairs. Recommended all over Houston, garage Door Doctor is your trusted partner for all your garage door needs.
Speaker 10:Every time your garage door opens and closes, there is wear and tear taking place. If not properly serviced, each year a simple fix could turn into a costly repair. Let the experts at Garage Door Doctor tune up your garage door and keep it running for a lifetime. The Garage Door Doctor motto honest quality work at a fair price isn't just words. It's the Garage Door Doctor promise, because when you're with Garage Door Doctor, you're family. We never employ subcontractors to do our work. Our staff, including our own family members, will treat your garage as their own.
Speaker 5:Schedule an appointment today at garagedoordoctorbiz or call today. When you're a caregiver, you give all of yourself to those who depend on you, but sometimes even caregivers need a break, which is why respite care options are available. Respite care offers assistance through child daycare or adult daycare, in-home or overnight services, allowing caregivers the opportunity to rest and recharge. Taking this time for yourself is essential, because when you rest, you care best. Explore resources at TakeTimeTexasorg and learn how you can strengthen the care you give through well-deserved respite Brought to you by Texas Health and Human Services.
Speaker 9:You aren't the only one who enjoys listening to Salem Media.
Speaker 1:Group Everybody at Salem Media Group you've been incredible, you really are, and you're very popular. More group you've been incredible, you really are, you're very popular, more popular than you would even know. We'd say you're in pretty good company and Salem, what a job you do is great. I'm telling you, Salem has really done a fantastic job. I just want to thank you. You have courage. You have really courage, because I know it's not easy. Congratulations.
Speaker 9:Payout 1070 and FM 1033.
Speaker 8:The answer You're an angel to me.
Speaker 4:This is Pope Leo's favorite song, oh yeah.
Speaker 8:Every time he says hello, how I love him, how I tingle when he passes by. Every time he says hello, my heart begins to fly. Johnny Angel, he's got something that I can't resist, but he doesn't even know that I exist. I'm in heaven. I get carried away. I dream of him and me and how it's gonna be. All the fellas call me up for a date, but I just sit and wait. I'd rather concentrate on Johnny Angel, cause I love him, and together we will see how lovely heaven will be.
Speaker 2:And together we will see how lovely heaven will be and welcome back to the show of faith, david. Let me ask you now, mm-hmm, from the perspective of you, of course, have to represent all Protestants, all the way from the clean and dead. How do you think the overall Christian Protestant world is seeing? Because the moment you see all this hubbub going in the Vatican, all the pageantry and the Pope coming out and the election, how's that going over in most of the time?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean that's a great question and it is a huge, huge expanse of different responses. Part of it is there are people that don't get it. They don't understand it, they don't understand that world, they don't understand the significance. They feel like too much is being put upon a man like that. So, and they, they look at Christ as being the head of the church and not somebody else, and they don't understand this language of the vicar of christ, for example. So you have you have a whole section of, I think, protestants and I don't know if this majority or not but who don't really understand the significance and and would themselves look a little suspiciously at it as if it's it's wrong-headed right, a theological aberration, if you will.
Speaker 4:Okay, yeah, and then you have a lot of Protestants, I mean, who are maybe Lutherans or Anglicans and others who understand the significance of the Pope as the head of the Catholic Church. The Pope as the head of the Catholic Church, which is the largest Christian group denomination body, go back to our metaphor body and the world, and they recognize the gravity of that to some degree. So I think you have all sorts of different variations of themes, I mean, because I know Protestants that think Catholics are heretics. You know every Catholic is a heretic and they're not really Christians and those kind of things. And then I know those who are sort of almost on the verge of converting to Catholicism as well. So you've got a really wide expanse of that.
Speaker 4:So I mean, a part of what we do here is, I think, we try to explain the worlds a little bit to give each other a better understanding, and we do that in a kidding way a lot of times, but it's a very, very serious matter. Very, very serious issues and, yeah, very serious issues. And yeah, I'm excited for the church to have a new pope, a new St Francis. Sorry, pope Francis had been ill for a while and I was concerned that he would not be able to make it very long or in a robust way, and I think one of the things for sure is that the pope must be a robust individual.
Speaker 4:Yes, I mean he's 69, right, so he could have a 10, 15 year papacy or longer. Yeah, it's always possible.
Speaker 2:Yeah and really you said that in Latin America, around the Catholics that you're around in Latin America, is there any sense of excitement? You said that mostly it's the American Pope.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean that's really how they see him. I mean, he was born there, his formation is there, he went to school there, he went to college there. I mean he's American.
Speaker 2:The fact that he's also a Peruvian citizen make any difference.
Speaker 3:I mean, I think, I think it has, like I said, I think it's maybe like a, like a plus, if you will, father, but really he really is, if you think about it, the amount of people with immigrants and immigration being a global let's call it point of concern or sort of focus.
Speaker 3:I think they picked somebody, I think, that really sort of understands the nuances of this because he's seen it. He's been growing up in America for a long time but he's also spent outside growing up in America for a long time but he's also spent outside. Now, of course, his missionary work has been in a lot of kind of remote areas, but he is exposed to a lot of people that are moving frontiers, that have been sort of displaced and forgotten about. And I think there's a lot of optimism about the Pope and I know if he's kind of been and.
Speaker 3:David, you were alluding to this earlier. He's kind of been put through the litmus test right as to what he says about immigration and then LGBTQ and gay marriage and this and that. And look, if you just do a little bit of research, what he says parodies exactly Church teaching and doctrine. So he hasn't come out and said anything different that Pope Francis, that Benedict, that JP II would have said in their time. So I actually find it quite interesting that he picked I don't know if you guys know too much about the history of Pope Leo's, but there have been four or five Leo's in the past that have really led the Church into kind of new age, especially Pope Leo XIII.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because Leo XIII was really into. It's interesting because Leo XIII brought the church into having a tremendous amount to say during the latter part of the Industrial Revolution oh, that's right, the 1800s. That's right because I think that Leo XIV sees himself as saying a lot about the AI revolution, the information revolution, the Internet, because we are going through, you know, we went through an industrial revolution, but now we're going through another kind of revolution, which is in terms of information and interconnectedness and the whole issue of electronics.
Speaker 4:Now, earlier you said AI, is that Anthony Ingersoll? Yes, it's Anthony Ingersoll.
Speaker 2:Okay, I was just wondering, because he's a friend of mine too. He's also artificial intelligence. Oh is it?
Speaker 4:But Anthony Ingersoll is very good, okay, he's a good Swedish friend of mine. He loves those meatballs over at IKEA. Love those things. Yeah, yeah, no, hey, did you know that that that pope leo the 14th, now known as robert prevost, uh watched the movie conclave before his own conclave? I heard that he had watched it. I mean, it was almost, you know, just a few days before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I heard that he had watched it.
Speaker 4:I thought you were warning us off of that.
Speaker 2:I did and I still would. I still think it's a disgusting movie. Okay, but I think that the issue is that it's been praised for the acting and for the kind of giving you a little bit of the procedure, but at the same time it's really when you really talk to the cardinals that were participating in conclaves, the temperament is not as political. Conclave was a very political kind of intrigue as who's going to get it, who's going to get it. That's not the way that it is in the real conclave.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah it is secretive, as people have said, but sometimes you need to be secluded and not prone to the internet and prone to phone internet and prone to phone calls and prone to emails and those kind of things.
Speaker 2:It's not a political process at all. Every cardinal that I have heard has said that the one thing that people make a mistake on is thinking that the conclave is kind of like who's running for pope. That's not the way it is. There's a saying that says, if you enter the conclave, a pope you will come. You will come out a cardinal, meaning whoever the favorites are and listen, look at it.
Speaker 4:Nobody saw this guy in terms of the favorites he was a, as they to use a racing analogy horse racing the, the dark horse. If at all Use a horse, that would not be.
Speaker 2:But even the people who were handicapping, who it could be what is called the papabiles, the guys who can be Pope he wasn't even counted.
Speaker 4:So Came out of the back of the pack. They went in. Hey, did you know? One of his favorite games is Wordle. No, did you know that? No, I wonder what languages he plays. What languages?
Speaker 2:I have no idea what Wordle is.
Speaker 4:Wordle. It's a word game that a lot of people like I think it started in New York Times. Okay, I like it.
Speaker 3:Do you like.
Speaker 4:Wordle it's a good game. I like it. Do you like the wordle it's a good game? What is it, tell me, for?
Speaker 3:those who don't know real quick 20 seconds. It's a good game that you get to play. You have to guess the word that it's trying to based on. Just play it. It's kind of a weird game, but it's a game of sort of guessing the word by them giving you different letters, certain clues or something.
Speaker 4:Okay, all right. So I bet he would be tough to play Scrabble with a guy that knows that many languages. Yeah, wouldn't he be tough, I mean, if you say, okay, any language that I know, okay, it could be a name language.
Speaker 2:Well, I would make up my own language.
Speaker 4:Well, okay, folks, pope, leo bless him.
Speaker 2:God bless him. We have a new pope and it's going to be an interesting thing for every part of the world because he'll start making the church and applying the church, teaching to all kinds of different things and coming out with encyclicals and stuff like that. So it will be interesting, Okay. Well, thank you very much for having been here at St Cyril At KNTH 1070, we are here every Sunday night and we'll be here again next Sunday night. Thank you, Rudy, Thank you, David, Thank you, Thank you and hello to all. David, Thank you, Thank you and hello to all the mothers of Mother's Day KMTH. God bless you.
Speaker 9:Have a nice night.