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A Show of Faith
June 8, 2025 Challenging History: Cycles, Progress, and Transgression
What happens when a society rejects both cyclical fatalism and divine purpose in favor of progress defined solely by transgression? Our panel dives deep into the philosophical roots of today's cultural battles by examining how our understanding of history shapes everything around us.
Before Judaism introduced its revolutionary concept of linear time, ancient civilizations were trapped in either endless cycles or nostalgic reverence for a lost golden age. This transformation – what Thomas Cahill called "The Gift of the Jews" – gave humanity a future-oriented perspective where history had meaning and purpose under divine guidance.
The Enlightenment secularized this progressive view, with thinkers like Hegel and Marx removing God while maintaining the forward momentum. This created what our panel identifies as the modern "culture of transgression," where breaking established norms becomes celebrated as heroic resistance against oppression. Without moral anchors, progress becomes defined simply as whatever destroys the current order.
We examine how this philosophy manifests today – from identity politics that frames biology itself as oppressive to the celebration of behavior that deliberately violates traditional boundaries. The destruction of childhood innocence through premature exposure to adult concepts represents another troubling aspect of this transgressive worldview.
Yet amid this cultural upheaval, our panelists note significant indicators of potential pushback: rising Bible sales, increased religious conversions across denominations, and a growing hunger for meaning that material progress alone cannot satisfy. Could we be witnessing the early stages of a spiritual revival?
Join us for this thought-provoking conversation about how competing philosophies of history continue to shape our understanding of progress, morality, and purpose in the modern world. Subscribe to hear more discussions that explore the intersection of faith, culture, and contemporary issues.
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Speaker 3:Welcome to A Show of Faith on AM 1070 Answer, where a professor, priest, millennial and rabbi discuss theology, philosophy, morality, ethics, anything else of interest in religion. If you have any response to our topics or any comments regarding what we say, we would love to hear from you. Email us at ashowoffaith1070 at gmailcom. Ashowoffaith1070 at gmailcom. You can hear our shows again and again by listening pretty much anywhere podcasts are heard. Our priest is Fr Mario Arroyo, retired pastor of St Cyril of Alexandria in the 10,000 block of Westheimer. Hello of Alexandria, in the 10,000 block of Westheimer. Hello. Our professor is David Capes, protestant minister and director of the academic programming for the Lanier Theological Library.
Speaker 3:Great to be with you guys, tonight Rudy Kong is our millennial. He is a systems engineer, master's degree in theology from University of St Thomas.
Speaker 4:Howdy, howdy.
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Speaker 5:I sent you guys an article yes and uh.
Speaker 5:That article is just going to be the basis, because I'd like to amplify. We're going to be talking tonight about culture and culture and about the world view, how it influences culture of any nation. I would like to start by not necessarily what the title of the article I sent is called A Culture of Transgression. But before we get into a culture of transgression, I would like to look at a certain aspect of the philosophy of history. What I mean by the philosophy of history is the whole idea, like when President Obama would say you're going to be on the wrong side of history, as if history had a right and had a predictable moving forward.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's why I was wondering what you mean by the philosophy of history.
Speaker 5:Well, the philosophy of history is just what do you mean? By what do you understand the meaning of history to be? Is it literally one damn thing after another, pretty much, or does it have a pattern to it? Like Hegel, the philosopher, hegel argued that the whole process of thesis, antithesis and synthesis, antithesis and synthesis, and that, slowly, culture is moving forward by means of a certain amount of conflict. Then also you have Marx, marx's understanding, which is based on Hegel and Marx basically saying the proletariat against the bourgeois.
Speaker 3:But these are the way in which we analyze history. History itself is just what happens?
Speaker 5:Well, yes, but that's why I'm saying the philosophy of history. In other words, see what you're saying is when you're saying just what happens. Is what happens connected to any kind of pattern or is it random? Because let me give you an example In the ancient world, before the Jews, history was considered to be cyclical. Now notice, the cyclical understanding was contrasted with the Jewish understanding.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 5:And the Jewish understanding.
Speaker 3:Linear.
Speaker 5:Not only linear but progressive. Yes, because it was progressing towards the Messiah coming Right, okay, the messiah coming right, okay. So, um, well, the whole notion of um, how, how that shift has has affected us, because I think it's affecting us right now. I think that that issue of those, the cyclical and the progressive, is affecting us because of Karl Marx's understanding, and that's why we have so much what's called cultural Marxism. We're going to be talking about that, okay, and that leads to the society based on transgression, because transgression is built, is made to destroy the current society and let a culturally Marxist society be born.
Speaker 3:Okay, you're going to have to explain some vocabulary there.
Speaker 5:Yeah, but I want to start by. I think a lot of what we do here is teach people. I hope Okay. So I want to go back a little bit to the ancient world and talk and explain to people the difference between a cyclical concept of history and what that means for people.
Speaker 3:Progressive one.
Speaker 5:And then the progressive concept of history. David, do you want to say anything, Rudy, on that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I think there are different nuances to all of these, certainly, and it gets more complicated than that. But I mean, from the Christian point of view, we have always understood that history was headed somewhere, that history is not just one darn thing after another. Yeah, I mean, it may appear that way when you're down on the playing field and things are happening in certain ways, but when you get up and you take a 30,000 foot level, look, and you sort of look and see the whole of it. You're able to see patterns, you're able to see divine.
Speaker 3:Right, but that's the analysis of it.
Speaker 2:Well, that's not just the analysis, but that is a predictive element.
Speaker 3:There's a predictive element Because when you analyze, you are seeing the pattern that will lead somewhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but my point is not just that we are analyzing the past, but that we can expect for and hope for a more glorious future, and expect for and hope for a more glorious future, and not because of just analyzing the past, but it comes about as a result of just understanding that, as kind of a philosophy of history, history is getting similar. There is a telos of history, there's a purpose, there's a reason for it all. It is not just a random bit of accidents.
Speaker 5:But what I would like to do, just so people learn a little bit, is compare progressive history, linear progressive history, with cyclical history and also with history that sees the golden age in the past and the, the golden ages in the past. And ever since then we have been decomposing because notice the, the, for example, a lot of oriental cultures uh, see the golden age in the past, which is why they worship answers to ancestors and and things like that, and so, uh, it's a. To me it seems like a very strong difference between past oriented societies and because they worship the past and they think that everything in the present is not as good. It's interesting, rudy, I don't know if you probably will be understood, but let me give you a word and ask you if this word to you is positive or negative. The word in Spanish is novedades. Eso es una novedad.
Speaker 5:Eso es una novedad es una novedad. Yeah, it's like something new. It could be good or it could be bad, it's more, but I I say the weight is see, in spanish I'm saying novedad, novedad is no, though new, new, okay, but in the Spanish culture, when you said novedad, it means something new, but something new is considered to be inferior to that which is wise. Really, yes, would you agree, rudy?
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say my grandpa would always say in Spanish, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I would say my grandpa would always say in Spanish, right, a good day is when there's nothing new.
Speaker 3:I know that feeling, however.
Speaker 2:Well, but you know, there's a sense. Let me sort of argue it this way there's a sense in which there is we all have that sense of nostalgia that the good days, the things that we used to make, are better than the things that are made today. I'm trying to think of other examples a piece of furniture made out of you know, handmade, or something, uh, books that were written a long time ago, those kind of things are greater, and we even have the sense that the the garden of eden was a kind of a um, a place and a time yes when all things were a delight.
Speaker 5:But I, I would argue, I would argue, david, that that is um a kind of a religious, uh christian specifically uh issue. But think about the secular culture that we live in today so you know you're right about that.
Speaker 5:Yeah yeah, the secular culture sees today as as something that we are constantly wanting to stay. What's next? What's next? What's next? Because we see the progressive uh, understanding as always better, as always better. What is new is better. Okay, now for people in. In the ancient world too, not only were there people who, who saw the past as better and us living in a decomposition or deconstruction of the, of the, the future is never going to be as good as the past. We. There was also a group of people who understood that history wasn't going anywhere, that it was totally cyclical and it would be like and that's why, by the way, several authors have pointed out that, that's why we don't have a lot of very ancient history the Jews were ones that began writing a lot of ancient history, but independent of the Jews, the reason people didn't write too much history. It would be like me asking you to sit in a bench before a merry-go-round and I'm going to give you a pad and paper and I want you to write the history of the merry-go-round.
Speaker 5:For the next hour there's no history. It just keeps on going. People say it doesn't go anywhere, and so why write anything?
Speaker 3:But, mario, isn't there also the element of cyclical history that you can't do anything to change it? That's right.
Speaker 5:It's boring, it's very fateful. Yes, yes, and it just keeps going around and around. That's why, as long as human beings have been alive very few before Judaism and Christianity very little history was written, because the general mood was what's in the future is never as good as the past, and it's always been a cycle. It's just been one thing.
Speaker 3:It'll be the same thing anyway. We can't do anything about it, so why write about it?
Speaker 5:That's right and the gods are in charge of it. So why? Why even do anything? Because we're not in charge of anything.
Speaker 2:You know, you know again. Let me throw in this kind of about a minute. The idea, yeah, is that history repeats itself. We'll often hear that phrase history repeats itself. Well, a lot of people have moved away from sort of saying that these days and say, well, history doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes, in other words, that that events, the same events, don't occur over and again, but you might have similar things happening again and again.
Speaker 2:They're not exactly the same. It's not saying the same, but it has a tendency to rhyme. It has a tendency to sort of sound like something earlier as well. So, anyway, I'll leave it with that for now.
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Speaker 5:Okay, we're talking about right now the understanding that we try to achieve of history, the meaning of history, and for the last few minutes we've been talking about cultures that see that the best part of all of histories has been in their past. And then we have also talked about cultures that see history as having absolutely no meaning, because it's just like a merry-go-round it goes around and around and nothing changes and there's nothing you can do to change it.
Speaker 3:On a carousel gonna catch up to you.
Speaker 5:I don't know if our listeners know this, but the big change in the understanding of history came with the Jews. There's a book actually called how the Jews Saved History, or something like that. I have it at home.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's called the Gift of the Jews, the.
Speaker 3:Gift of the Jews. Oh, oh yeah. What's his name?
Speaker 2:Thomas Cahill Cahill right, yeah. It's a great book. I recommend it. First of all, he's a great historian first, and second he's a great writer.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Thomas Cahill. Yeah, amos K, why don't?
Speaker 5:you explain a little bit of that book, Because I think that book and let's talk about where this whole idea that history was moving towards something, because that changes a very prevalent understanding of history, of history as cyclical or based in the past, but mostly as cyclical.
Speaker 2:And it was the Jewish understanding that began the process of allowing history to be seen as something to look forward to and brought into culture that have been, in a sense, blessings, benefits, good aspects that are still with us today in many cases, and one of those is a philosophy of history that is a linear philosophy of history that says that history is headed somewhere, that history had a beginning and it has, in a sense, a conclusion, let's say, or a goal. Not necessarily a conclusion, as if the end of the world is coming, but more so the idea that history is headed somewhere and that God is in control of that. That is a Jewish idea, it's an idea that's adopted in the Christian faith and taken as kind of our own as well, not necessarily replacing that, just simply saying yes, we agree with that, that's exactly right.
Speaker 3:It's really simple when things turn bad, you have a choice. You can look backwards and say we need to go backwards, we need to go back in time, or you can say there is a better future and what happened is after the northern kingdom I'm sorry when the kingdom split into the northern and the south, when you had the Assyrians take the north and the Babylonians take the south, when you had Greece, rome, all these bad things happen. Instead of saying we need to go back to King David's period, which was considered the best kingdom, best everything, what they did was they projected the kingdom of David into the future with the concept of the Messiah, and that the world and history is heading towards the final redemption. The redemption.
Speaker 5:Now let me say, just ask a clarification what they did, what is that? Who was they?
Speaker 3:The Jewish community, the Jewish people, the people who developed the idea, the biblical interpretation that is Would you?
Speaker 5:say that that was of divine origin. Ultimately, yeah, yes, yes, ultimately, yes.
Speaker 3:Because you have these concepts. Isaiah 11, which talks about a better time, isaiah is clearly after King David by hundreds of years and at or around the first destruction of the temple. So when Isaiah starts speaking of come to pass in the end of days, that a mountain of the house of the Lord will be established at the top of the mountains and all nations shall flow into, it is setting to the future a better time and a time of a final redemption.
Speaker 5:So it's the prophet Isaiah. It's really divine intervention through the prophet Isaiah.
Speaker 3:And other prophets too, and other prophets too.
Speaker 5:Right and from the Christian perspective, jesus talked about. Every Sunday, when we celebrate our Sunday worship and I think this would be true of many Protestants and Catholics, be true of many protestants when we say and catholics when we say the creed, uh, we say I believe in jesus christ who will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and of his kingdom there will be no end, and so he will. We also believe in a forward moving of history that will be a better and ultimately the whole idea of the kingdom of heaven, the new Jerusalem and the kingdom of heaven. That is part of the Christian tradition. Rudy or David.
Speaker 3:Two minutes.
Speaker 5:Rudy, you want to say anything?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think people really underestimate how much ancient cultures saw history as absolutely cyclical. I mean, when you look at Hindus and Buddhists and Chinese and Egyptians and Norse and Greeks really the Greeks, everything is is they have a word, it's called ectopirosis.
Speaker 3:Say it again Ectopirosis.
Speaker 4:I've never heard of it. Yeah, so it just means like there's this kind of like cosmic harmony that exists and everything is kind of and you've got to remember too, back then it was a lot of astrology, right. So a lot of movement of bodies and things were very cyclical, right, like even from the earth, um and and and the cycles of the moon and the sun. You would see the planets. There were some alterations, right as as they would see, but they would always come back right. The winters they would always position at the same place and the summers at another place. So everything, the seasons too, right. So. So it makes sense that that, without some sort of divine authority let's call it to break that sort of cycle of understanding, the natural course of human is to think things in a very immediate and particular way within their creative understanding that they see in their environment, right, so, until you get a burning bush or God speaking directly to Abraham, telling him you know, and starting down this path in a completely different sort of About 15 seconds.
Speaker 5:Oh well, I found a good definition of ekpidosis, but we'll come back.
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Speaker 5:Okay, I would like to kind of round out this last hour, which we've been talking about philosophies of history from the past, by you know, rudy, I thank you for the word that you very strange word that you gave us and I looked it up and this is we'll wind up this area by just giving you this definition of ekpirosis, that's E-K-P-Y-R-O-S-I-S. This is a very interesting definition. It's a stoic physics. Ekpirosis is the periodic destruction of the cosmos by a great conflagration of fire every great year, in order to cleanse the universe. Then everything would be rebuilt in the exact same way, in every detail, before the fire, only to be destroyed once again at the end of a new cycle.
Speaker 5:This form of catastrophe is the opposite of the word that we use cataclysmos, the opposite. No, cataclysmos is a different word. The cataclysmos well, it says here, catastrophe is the opposite of cataclysmos, the destruction of the earth by water instead of by fire. So, okay, but let's move forward now, because what I'd like to do now is to move forward into taking for granted the taking for settled that christianity and judaism have pushed forward an understanding of history, of moving in a linear towards a great future.
Speaker 3:And therefore the idea of progress and progressiveness, that's right.
Speaker 5:So the next part that I want to do because ultimately I want to get to the final part is to talk about the philosophy of transgression, and I want to get there by moving this way, in the sense that you notice that the whole idea of history moving forward towards a destination was born out of a religious understanding of history.
Speaker 3:And earlier I said, it was the Jews. More specifically, it was the Pharisees.
Speaker 5:Yeah, okay, but they noticed it was a religious understanding that there was a God moving history towards a good understanding, a goal, something good in the future. Okay, but what happens is what we're living now. You see, what we're living now is the result of people thinkers that occurred in the Enlightenment, which was what 17th century, 18th century, the 1700s, 1800s, I thought, maybe as early as 1600s. Yeah, the 17th, 18th, 19th century, okay, but what began to happen is that people, philosophers, began to take god out of the picture god is dead god is dead.
Speaker 5:That was well. That was the 19th century, nietzsche it's still part of the same yeah, but hegel, a philosopher by the name of Hegel, described a process of what he called the whole progress of thesis antithesis and synthesis. And that history moved from one group colliding with another and then a synthesis being able to be developed.
Speaker 3:And it's this collision. What was the word that you were using? Where?
Speaker 4:you destroy you. You destroy Cataclysm, no.
Speaker 3:No no.
Speaker 2:Echphoresis.
Speaker 3:The idea that you have to tear down the present to progress.
Speaker 2:But you had a. I see what you're saying, yeah.
Speaker 5:It doesn't matter yeah go ahead, you'll come up with a word again too, so, but it's interesting, because see the way that it's affecting us now is what happened with Karl Marx, and we've talked about this a long time ago.
Speaker 5:With Karl Marx, and we've talked about this a long time ago, Karl Marx felt that history could only move along if the people who were in charge of the reality of history since there is no God, the only thing that was left was material Transgression, Materiality, okay, was material Transgression, materiality.
Speaker 5:And so whoever had the ownership of the material, of the sources of production, which he called the bourgeois, were exploiting the proletariat, and he was trying to have a revolution of the proletariat against the bourgeois, so that we would develop in the future a nation of workers, a paradise of workers. And what happened in Russia and that is, by the way, that is what communism began as, but what happened is that revolution of the proletariat did not come through in Russia or in any other place. It happened in Russia, but not for very long. It didn't go very long, and a group of people, a group of philosophers, started asking why did the revolution, the Marxist revolution, never, never occur? And they began to understand that they had put the emphasis on the wrong place. Instead of materiality, they needed to find whatever groups were considered themselves oppressed Right.
Speaker 3:Oppressor and oppressed.
Speaker 5:Oppressor and oppressed, and so that's where we get the term cultural Marxism, because what you're dealing with is people making other people believe, especially those who may be oppressed, that they are oppressed and they need to rise up against those who are oppressing them and that's the transgression and that is where but see, what's interesting here is that the whole you can ask this question.
Speaker 5:You can say well, once you tear down what you have, because that's the. The cultural marxism is basically an understanding without God, and it has to be understood without God that you must rise up and destroy whatever those who are in control, because they have been oppressing you and they have no sense of what will replace it, but they basically are saying anything is better than this and we'll find out what happens when we destroy this. And that's where obama and others would come up with saying if you choose a or b, if you choose the wrong one, you're on the wrong side of history as if history had a side, because that's what you, what you're basically saying is that you, that history is going to have a right side and a wrong side.
Speaker 3:And history will frown on you if you choose the wrong side.
Speaker 5:Yeah, David Rudy.
Speaker 4:I just wanted to say it's interesting when you have that type of ideology and then you read somebody like I don't know if you guys are familiar with Georges Batallet, no, no, okay. Well, he kind of he has this kind of famous quote. The article kind of talked about some of the kind of sexual revolution too, but when you look at sort of where we are culturally right, he kind of looks at transgression and he equates it to something essential to sacred, because in his mind the sacred is what essentially is prohibited. Thus, to experience it once, one must transgress right and be it cultural norms or right, that's.
Speaker 3:That's the word I was, yeah, right.
Speaker 4:Right. So these desires, even erotic, or violence, or even mystical, right? I mean, you see things like some sense.
Speaker 3:For so long, right, it's been let's call it taboo or just, and by doing the taboos, by having the transgression, it becomes a worthwhile act to be rewarded.
Speaker 5:I don't understand that.
Speaker 3:The people who transgress are the ones who become popular.
Speaker 5:Yes.
Speaker 3:They're the ones who get the reward for having transgressed against the status quo. They get a following on TikTok or Facebook or whatever. They get money for it.
Speaker 2:Well, let me give an example of this. If somebody had taken a handgun into Colorado, into a school, and had shot a teacher killed a teacher. Let's say that person would be vilified. But if you go to the city of New York and you take a same or similar handgun and you shoot a UnitedHealthcare executive, that person can take on a heroic status. A terrible transgression. I mean the same act has taken place, it's been a murder, but one is vilified and the other is.
Speaker 3:Sanctified.
Speaker 2:It is innocent, that person is rewarded, as you said, stuart, but it depends on the time and the place and the action itself doesn't it Right?
Speaker 3:because the latter is seen as a transgression against the norm, which is we're all getting messed over by the insurance companies, and the former is seen as an act of evil because it's kids.
Speaker 5:It's interesting because remember the whole idea.
Speaker 3:Less than a minute.
Speaker 5:Yeah, the whole idea of progressive can take different forms. I've mentioned one is communism, of course, with the proletariat, the kingdom of the proletariat. But we also have to remember Nazism, because Nazism was trying to create a future.
Speaker 3:And heaven on earth. That's right.
Speaker 5:Utopia and notice what is happening that the whole idea of progress was in the ancient world was guided by the Jews, but by God God under the religion of the Jews and of Christians. Okay, and it was guided by God and so it had a moral core, exactly. But now, when you remove God, you don't have any moral core, and we'll talk about that and when we come back, because they also want to talk about is the whole idea of social Darwinism, so that we'll talk about that when we get back. This is 1070 KMTH and we'll be right back.
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Speaker 5:I'd like to spend the last 12 minutes that we have talking about the present. How do we see and I want each of us to say something how do we see this whole idea of transgression, in other words, viewing all of culture as between oppressor and oppressed, and transgression, because we see it today? First of all, the sexual, the whole idea of the revolution as traditional sexuality. What you're seeing is not only do we have people who are saying, well, there is economic oppression by oppressors versus oppressed or colonialism, people who conquered each other's lands, but now I'm seeing a tremendous amount of the idea that biology itself is oppressive, because, you notice, when people say I was assigned the wrong sex at birth, I mean listen to the word assigned, which basically has a presumption that someone forced it on you.
Speaker 3:And if not someone, then it's nature or biology. Biology forced it on you, and if not someone, then it's nature or biology.
Speaker 5:Biology forced it on you. And notice, the whole notion of transsexual is saying not even nature, not even biology, let away. God has the right to tell me what sex I want to be or what I want to do in sexuality. Right now we're having Juneteenth. I mean not Juneteenth.
Speaker 3:Gay Pride Month.
Speaker 5:Gay Pride Month and when you see some of the floats that are going along and some of the perversions that are being paraded in many different places, it's a way of saying normal, safe, normal sexuality.
Speaker 3:western sexuality does not apply but it's the outlandishness, it's the transgression and it's that's I couldn't hear the word again. It's the transgression, it is the destruction of the norm. Yes, and it means that the more outlandish you can be, the bigger the applause, the better the response you're going to get. So the it's not it. To me, it seems that it's not so much getting up the point across it's.
Speaker 5:I want to bask in the sunshine of the adulation because I've been so destructive and the reason you're getting adulation is because the society has bought into it that the person who transgresses is the hero. Right, David Rudy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let me just say that you know, I have never been to Mardi Gras in New Orleans. That's not a point of pride or anything else, just the fact I've never been. If there were parades that celebrated in a very obvious way heterosexual sex and sexual relations and those kind of things, I wouldn't want my sons and daughters to go see those, right, I wouldn't take my kids to see that. I wouldn't want that. But and one of the things we do see is that on parade routes, people taking their children yes to see these parades.
Speaker 2:But but even if it was just a heterosexual sexuality, I don't know. I think we're losing childhood in a sense, we're losing the possibility of naivete, of children just being children but forcing upon them these kind of ideas very, very early and you've got the possibility of you know, of a 10 year old discovering porn, you know, at home, on the computer or younger, and all kinds of, or on instagram or anything like that.
Speaker 2:so, um, I mean, I think part of the point is is that, when you look at this point is is that, when you look at this, do I have a right to go out and advertise my heterosexuality? Yeah, I guess so I do, but I don't know that people should do so, should want to do so, as a matter of transgression, simply because of the fact that I'm free to do so. Freedom doesn't mean that I'm going to engage in the best thing. Paul said all things might be lawful, but not all things are beneficial.
Speaker 5:But you know, david, I think the exact thing is that.
Speaker 5:That's why the attack on religion, because the society that is being assaulted by this kind of pathogen it's an ideal, pathogen idea and that is that they destroy religion, because the moment you have religion, you have a standard of behavior, and they do not want any standard of behavior or moral. And they do not want any standard of behavior or moral and the ultimate idea of especially cultural Marxism is the destruction of the family. They do not want anything between the state and the child to be able to tell them what to do. Rudy Rudy.
Speaker 4:You asked where we saw it within modernity, and I 100% agree with what David is saying. I think he's absolutely right. I also think that we're kind of on the. This is, of course, my opinion. I think we're kind of on the tail end of this and I think a lot of people are getting really pretty fed up with it because it's led to things like child mutilation, right.
Speaker 5:Yes.
Speaker 4:But where I really see this kind of going is and not that that's not happening. I'm saying this is, I think, the mutilation is what I've seen lately. I guess a way to describe it is like immortality projects. It's things like genetic editing. Especially with the advent of artificial intelligence, I think we're going to start seeing a lot of technology and a lot of effort and energy being put into these kind of transgressive activities of nature itself, of death itself.
Speaker 5:Yes. Which is kind of like cryogenics and stuff like that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, cryogenics and gene editing and these kind of I mean, you see that I don't know there's this guy, forget his name, but he's like the most measured man in the world. I don't know if you ever heard of this guy. He spends like $2 million a year measuring all his vitals and he takes all these different pills.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, I've heard of him. I don't know his name. You know I forget his name, but do you think that there's a rebellion against that? You said we were at the tail end of it.
Speaker 4:I think there's a rebellion against death itself, the natural cause of, or the natural progression of nature.
Speaker 5:right, that has always been true, yeah, but you see, here's where I kind of would like to be ending this year 2025, no 2024, every article that I've read about conversions in the Catholic Church I don't know if you've been reading them, rudy, but every diocese, almost every diocese in the world has experienced a 30 to 50 percent increase in baptisms, and conversions. Yes.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 5:Everyone, and I also see a little bit of the election of Trump as a kind of a secular rebellion against that. I think that, and why the Democrats these days, which are seen as the progressive party? They're lost in the wilderness, david.
Speaker 2:What's happening all over the world really is kind of interesting. Read an article that the sale of Bibles in the United States have gone up 23% in the past I think three years and this among people who claim to be first-time Bible purchasers. I know Bibles and conversions aren't the same.
Speaker 5:They're related, they're related.
Speaker 2:They're pointed, they're related, they related, they're connected, right? So I think what we're seeing is that people, in searching for meaning and permanence, and understanding that science can only take us so far, ai can only take us so far. Our genetic, whatever that comes along next, can only take us so far, but it cannot give us meaning and purpose, it cannot give us a good life.
Speaker 5:We're going to say something, David. I mean, go to your name and story, hey you.
Speaker 4:What I would like to.
Speaker 3:I mean, we don't have that much time left, but it goes back to something I think David said, whoever said it, but the point is that you were talking about or maybe Rudy said it, but it was about we could be flagrantly heterosexual. No, we can't. No, we can't. Pda. Public displays of affection were considered something bad, and it did not mean within the gay community. That meant in the heterosexual community. You did not display sexuality. You know, holding hands was about the most you could do. There were certain places you would go to make out, there were certain places that were known to be make-out spots, but away from the public.
Speaker 3:And I don't know how the heterosexual community can be accused of being as bold for lack of a better term as what we find in our modern society. I just, I don't. I don't Like. They were talking about what you call it Gay Pride Month. Well, all the other 11 months is heterosexual pride, really, is it? No, I don't believe it, because you can't be as bold heterosexually if that's a word as you can with the gay community. I just, I don't think it's equal, that's all Okay.
Speaker 5:Any closing thoughts. One minute. We have one minute Ten-second closing thoughts. David or Rudy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think we're in a really interesting cultural moment. Right, I think a lot's going to be coming out in the next two to three years. Research will demonstrate it.
Speaker 5:I agree.
Speaker 2:A return to faith, a quiet revival.
Speaker 5:I think so too. I think I predict that too, rudy anything.
Speaker 4:No, I agree. I see that especially in countries that are highly secular, like France, the numbers are astounding.
Speaker 3:Yeah, 20. Seconds.
Speaker 5:You.
Speaker 3:Anything, I just said it.
Speaker 5:You just said it, yes, okay. Well, we tried to give you a kind of a sense, a religious sense, of what's going on in our culture today from a perspective of a philosophy of history. I hope you found it great and we will talk to you next week. Keep us in your prayers. You'll be in our Find us at am1070.