A Show of Faith
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A Show of Faith
August 1, 2025 When Robots Write Your Sermons
The fourth great revolution of human history is already here, and it's transforming every aspect of society faster than we can comprehend. Artificial intelligence has arrived barely two decades into the new millennium, following the printing, industrial, and digital revolutions that reshaped previous centuries.
Our panel explores the profound implications of AI through the lens of faith and ethics.
How does AI impact education when students can generate papers without absorbing knowledge? What happens to workers displaced by technology? Can artificial intelligence truly create meaningful sermons or is something essentially human lost in the process? And what does Pope Leo XIV's recent message on technology's dehumanizing potential mean for people of faith?
We discover both promise and peril in AI's rapid advance. Medical applications that analyze millions of scans to improve diagnoses. Construction tools that detect dangerous structural flaws before they cause harm. Productivity enhancements that free humans from mundane tasks. Yet alongside these benefits lurk serious concerns about deep fakes, scams, and the fundamental question of whether machines can truly replace human creativity and wisdom.
The conversation takes a particularly fascinating turn when examining work through theological perspectives. As beings created in God's image with an innate drive to create and contribute, what happens when machines take over traditionally human roles? Our panelists argue that regardless of technological advancement, humans will always need meaningful work and creative outlets to fulfill their divine purpose.
As we navigate this brave new world of artificial intelligence, join us in exploring how faith traditions might guide our relationship with these powerful tools. Will we harness AI to enhance human flourishing, or will we surrender essential aspects of our humanity in pursuit of efficiency? The choices we make today will shape generations to come.
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Speaker 3:Welcome to A Show of Faith where professor, priest, millennial and rabbi discuss theology, philosophy, morality, ethics and anything of interest in religion. If you have any response to our topics or any comments regarding what we say, we'd love to hear from you. Email us at ashowoffaith1070 at gmailcom. Ashowoffaith1070 at gmailcom. You can hear our shows again and again by listening. Pretty much everywhere podcasts are heard. Our priest is Fr Mario Arroyo, retired pastor of St Cyril of Alexandria in the 10,000 block of Westheimer. Hello, our professor is David Capes, protestant minister, director of academic programming for the Lanier Theological Library.
Speaker 4:Great to be here.
Speaker 3:Rudy Kong is our millennial. He's a systems engineer. Master's degree in theology from the University of St Thomas.
Speaker 5:Howdy, howdy.
Speaker 3:I'm Stuart Federo, retired rabbi of Congregation Sha'ar HaShalom, the Clear Lake area of Houston, texas. Miranda is our board operator and she helps us sound fantastic.
Speaker 4:All right, miranda, go, go, go, david, you're up, I'm up. Tonight we're going to be talking about artificial intelligence, ai and some of the issues associated with it. You know, back in the last millennium, that's the last thousand years, so it was 1000 AD or CE, if you prefer, to 2000. There were several big revolutions. One was the printing revolution. Up until 1450, all books had been created by hand. Every letter and every word that was written had to be written by hand. It was a slow, laborious, expensive proposition. Then, when the printing press became a reality, it was possible to make multiple books, many, many books, fast, fast and faster. That changed fundamentally the, the way people think and their access to knowledge.
Speaker 4:Well, back in the 19th century, there was a thing called the industrial revolution. It wasn't so much about learning, it was about how things were made and manufactured and came to our homes, let's say, and that fundamentally changed economics as well. Now that came with all sorts of ups and downs and hard, hard times, because a lot of people were taken advantage of in that time. Well, in the latter part of the 20th century, we had a thing called the digital revolution. And the digital revolution came about oh, between the 70s, I guess, or maybe between the 50s and about the year 2000, when the millennium came to an end. And when that millennium came to an end, the world was fundamentally different, because of computers, because of the internet.
Speaker 4:And now, after three revolutions in the last millennium, we're at the very beginning of this third millennium common era. And guess what? We already have a revolution. It is the AI revolution, artificial intelligence revolution, and it is changing a lot. It's changing everything and it will change everything. It'll change learning, it'll change universities, it'll change economics, it'll change universities it'll change economics.
Speaker 4:It'll change entertainment employment, all different aspects of that. So tonight I thought what we would do is we would kick around a little bit some ideas that are circulating around about AI, artificial intelligence, and what it is doing. Now, Stuart, let me start off with this have you used artificial intelligence yet?
Speaker 3:David, I don't know if I have the intelligence to use the artificial intelligence. When I first tried a couple years ago I guess, when chat GPT yeah, I don't know what I did, but I downloaded a virus or something with it, because every time I tried to get on the chat GPT it gave me a totally different website and tried to, so I just stayed away from it. I really haven't done AI.
Speaker 4:All right. Well, let me go to our millennial down in. Where are you these days, Rudy?
Speaker 5:I am in Guatemala.
Speaker 4:In Guatemala. All right, home you are a younger man, guatemalan, he's a kid. He's a child, yes, and you're probably the only person here who has Bitcoin in our group. I do, yeah, okay, well, I, I mean, I have no idea, I don't even think I, I don't have any clue what. That is all right, so so, rudy, have you used artificial intelligence?
Speaker 5:I use it every single day okay, tell me about every single day how I use it.
Speaker 5:So I I'm a systems engineer by trade, okay, and so what that means is early on in my career as a budding engineer, I dealt a lot with software and how software can be molded, applied, configured to help control let's call it production, if you will. So I worked a lot with what's called ERPs Enterprise Resource Planning softwares which help you control, let's say, purchasing, accounting, invoicing, quality, yada, yada, yada. So today, what I've done is I've built using AI, because it also speeds up my coding. Now, to me, it helps me a lot because I already know and have some good fundamentals, I would say, on how hardware and systems work together. So I use key prompts to speed up, if you will, my coding to build tools.
Speaker 5:So, for example, I do consulting work right now and I'm working at a construction firm and we're building a residential building, 24 floors, and there's a lot of purchasing. There's a lot of purchasing that happens, there's a lot of production that happens, and so I've created essentially an online tool, which is essentially a website you can go to, that's linked to our production software, our ERP, and what it's doing every single day is it pulls purchasing data, inventory data, production data, and we review it every morning with our team to make sure that we have the right hardware, that we're purchasing the right things.
Speaker 5:It helps me look at Go ahead.
Speaker 3:Robert, the right things, um, but it helps me look at go ahead. Well, excuse me, but is that? That's a program that does these things for you? But is it, for lack of a better term, artificially intelligent? Is it? Is it thinking or is it just doing the program it's told to do?
Speaker 5:that's. That's a good point and and I think maybe that's something that we should talk about too because what we call today artificial intelligence isn't really artificially intelligent. It relies on a lot of input from organic intelligence, if you will, to kind of guide it to that. Now there are certain things that I've developed too. For example, our sales pipeline, because we sell these apartments. I created a chatbot that you can talk to, essentially, and it gives you particular details about apartments, what's going on, and this all happens through WhatsApp.
Speaker 5:But I wouldn't call it essentially artificial intelligence. It's just sort of a set of prompts, if you will, figured around. Some machine learning, that kind of guides it. But, to answer your question, tools like ChatGPT, like Cloudy, like Sona, those tools I have configured in such a way that I use to kind of help me in my daily tasks. Here's another example I built another tool that patches into my email and I run this every Monday morning and every Monday morning it goes through my emails and it gives me a summary of emails that have gone in and come out that haven't been followed up on. So it kind of emails me back this executive summary. Now I wouldn't say it's doing anything. How do you say artificially intelligent, because it relies on a lot of my prompts. So those are kind of a few of the ways that I use Father Mario, what about you?
Speaker 4:Are you using artificial intelligence at all?
Speaker 8:Well, you know, I agree with Rudy in terms of how you define artificial intelligence. But let me give you an example how you define artificial intelligence. But let me give you an example. Just right now I walked into the studio here and David asked me did you read the article? And I said no, I didn't know that, I didn't see it, and so I was on my iPhone and, while we were getting ready to start, I copied the article and I put it into a program called Recall that's on my iPhone, and it gave me a semi-brief outline of the article.
Speaker 4:So you could read the outline of the article. So you could read the outline of the article.
Speaker 8:Yeah, but I still thought it was too long for me to read before I was on the air, and so I said to the artificial intelligence please summarize even this. And it gave me a summary which you can see right here. This is the entire summary of the whole article.
Speaker 8:So it's about 600 words, yeah and so, while you guys were talking, I was able to read it, and so you got it, you got a sense of it, yeah, so um, see for me, um, I I learn a lot on on youtube because youtube has a lot of lectures, all kinds of very interesting stuff, but I don't have the time to spend an hour and a half reading it, so I put these videos which don't tell all the words to them. I mean there's no line. I mean not line by the line, and so I put it into an AI thing called again, it's called Recall and it gives me an outline of everything that is said. It gives you a written outline of the spoken word. Yes, that's right, it gives me a written outline of the spoken word and then, if I still too long, I take that outline and I ask another program to summarize it for me and it gives me a very good summary of what it says.
Speaker 4:So how many people do you think you could employ to do all that for you? I couldn't, you couldn't, I couldn't, okay, but let me ask, rudy, because you're in a business, you're getting consulting money, which is big money. I know that I'm just kidding about that, but you're getting consulting money, which is big money. I know that, uh, I'm just kidding by that, uh, but you're getting paid. How many could you have people do what this ai is doing? Are people losing their jobs in guatemala because, because of this technology?
Speaker 5:uh I? The short answer is yes, but the more nuanced answer is the people that know about it are learning about it and are becoming more efficient to doing more things in their tasks. So, because of AI, because of these types of tools it's called, and because I don't think it's kind of fair to call it like a true AI but I know I mean we can continue using that term it's okay. I think we kind of get where that's going, right. Right, I'm able to expand the amount of work that I'm able to do within, let's say, an hour. So I'm probably three or four or five times way more productive, um, in my analytics and building reports and analyze, I mean just all sorts of different, and I've been and I've been able to build tools specifically that I probably would have had to hire a programmer to do. So I have essentially in-housed what would have cost me money to do but you know.
Speaker 8:We need to go to a break.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I mean it's definitely.
Speaker 8:We need to go to a break now. Okay, yep, this is 1070 KMTH and we will be right back.
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Speaker 3:Answer They'll have an AI that will reproduce her voice with any song you can name. Oh, I know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I can do that for sure. Deep fakes are happening all over the place, right right, and that's part of the challenge. Now, tonight is not about dissing AI, but about raising some questions and issues. You know, I come from a university setting and I know that university professors all over the country, in fact all over the world, are now really concerned about what's happening, because university students are letting AI do their work for them. They are not writing their papers, they are not reading the textbooks, they are having those summarized by AI in some ways, but professors are doing the same thing. The professors are getting AI to grade papers.
Speaker 8:The professors are getting and so this is what's happening. Do you know what the answer is?
Speaker 4:Well, tell me.
Speaker 8:The answer is oral exams.
Speaker 4:Well, that is.
Speaker 8:That is the answer.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but there are some universities that I can think of, ivy League universities that would say that's harassment.
Speaker 8:Harassment. The question, the real issue is because, you sit in front of a professor without notes. Yes, you have to understand what you're talking about, but it was still written by AI. No, but it doesn't matter what you write, you have to be able to see. When you have an oral exam, you have to explain and the professor is able to, not an AI piece of paper, that's right. The professor is free to ask you to explain any detail and if you just presented it, Now, what is your source for X, y and Z?
Speaker 4:Now I may know where that source came from but. If you don't know the source, if you don't know the person that wrote the article or the person who wrote the book, let's say then that's yeah.
Speaker 8:And you can't, so it can crash and burn.
Speaker 4:But if you have a class of 300 people, how long is it going to take to do oral exams for 300?
Speaker 8:people. I agree, I agree.
Speaker 4:I mean it's a big mess.
Speaker 8:Oh, here's an answer to that. Okay, the answer to that is you build about seven or eight or ten little rooms with computers and then the professor asks each one of those people going through a microphone to answer this question. Okay, all they have to do, they have a computer, not a computer, or they have a typewriter or something, a microphone, a microphone, or do they have a typewriter or something, or a microphone? They have to answer, but I would answer. They would answer them, but they couldn't have anything else on their person. They would have to answer.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and you're going to get an AI to grade it all.
Speaker 4:Yeah, okay, that's great. Well, I mean, these are just some of the many, many problems. Yeah, rudy, go ahead. I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 5:Well, I was going to give an example of what happened to me. So, for my master's the final we had to prepare for over 30 questions, and I used AI to help me prepare for the 30 questions, but the final was only four questions and I had to sit in front of a professor and he would ask me these questions. Um so, so I used it to help me study, but it didn't take away from from me having to transmit this information to another person in a coherent way.
Speaker 5:So that's kind of exactly how we did it at St Thomas for the Masters in Theology.
Speaker 4:It's actually kind of nerve-wracking yeah it's tough. It's tough to do that. Here's the challenge with AI. One of the many challenges is AI is only good as it sources. A lot of the times it goes out onto the internet to grab stuff, and a lot of what it grabs is not very good and wrong, because not everything on the internet is true.
Speaker 3:Did you know that Blasphemy? How can?
Speaker 4:you say that, alright, we've got to go to it. Is that what you're telling me?
Speaker 8:No, you're pointing to heaven. I'm telling her to turn up the volume.
Speaker 4:Oh, I thought you were pointing to heaven, because you're saying I'm going, that's not what you were saying.
Speaker 3:No, he's saying we're number one on the air.
Speaker 4:Oh, is that what he's saying no, we have a few minutes.
Speaker 4:Okay, but it is. It's a huge challenge today in the university environment. Now, part of the problem is this you ask students from any university why are you going to college? Why are you going to college? Well, I'm going to get a job. Get a job. And even college marketing programs say, yeah, we'll help you get a job, we're preparing you for your future work, that kind of stuff. All of which is nothing totally wrong with that. But guess what? Ai can prepare you for almost any job in the future that a college or university not a vo-tech school, but a college or a university is preparing you for.
Speaker 3:Wait a minute. How does AI teach you to critique, to criticize, to challenge?
Speaker 4:That's no longer a part of the problem. That's no longer what they think a university's for. Oh there we go Nobody well, few people today go to the university to say teach me to critique, teach me to think, teach me to analyze, teach me to seek truth, all of which used to be what a university was all about.
Speaker 8:Well, you're going to have to. You're going to have to change. The universities are going to have to change. I don't think this is work. I can't hear myself.
Speaker 4:I hear you Because I don't hear myself. That's probably a good thing, father Mario, excuse me. Probably a good thing, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 8:This is 1070 KNTH. Here with Rudy, with Stuart and Father Mario alone, We'll be right back.
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Speaker 4:Hey, tonight we're talking about artificial intelligence and we're talking about some of the challenges associated with that. Father Mario, earlier today I know you got a chance to read some things that the new Pope has been saying to the College of Cardinals, and maybe other places as well about AI.
Speaker 8:Well, I don't think that Pope Leo was saying anything that hasn't been said in other places, but it's a whole issue of it sounding the alarm, because you've got to remember that the only thing that the Catholic Church has is some kind of moral weight and, second of all, a big pulpit to speak to the world. And so he was talking about the dehumanization because he chose Pope Leo, chose his name. And he was talking about this because Leo XIII, which was in the late 19th century, chose his name. I mean, he was the one who wrote an encyclical when the Industrial Revolution was totally messing up. You know, people's farmers were going out of business and different people who made things by hand were going out of business because machinery was replacing them all. Everybody was moving into the city. That's right, people were moving into the city. So he wrote Leo XIII, not XIV wrote an encyclical which is a letter to the world on the respect for human labor and the whole notion of not dehumanizing and treating people justly.
Speaker 8:And what Pope Leo XIV is talking about is trying to be a conscience to the world and saying let's not let just pragmatism. You know what can we do? Because we can do it and just forget about the effects that this is having on people, and so we need to move carefully, moving into the future, to see the impact that it's having on people and allow the system to begin to adjust to it. He's not saying no, don't do it. He's just saying do it with the conscience of the individual that it may be affecting and so that we can do it in a way that minimizes any kind of damage.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't think anybody's saying don't do it at this point, because there are some amazing possibilities that are coming about through. Just one medical example is that if you go and you have a CT scan to a hospital and let's say you're having some issues, there can be a million CT scans in the database that is being appealed to, along with all these doctors and pathologists' explanations and such, and AI can go through that very quickly, yes, and it can view all of those it can view. Say, this X-ray is the most like, or the X-ray this CT scan is the most like this one. Therefore, we think the diagnosis would be this. Therefore, you know this would be the treatment schedule, that kind of thing. Now, that never gets to you. That goes to a doctor, Right, and a doctor looks at it the same way and he or she makes a determination.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I agree that this is exactly. Very seldom is there information that's not included at that point. So it's speeding up the possibility of diagnosis on very complicated kinds of conditions. That's an amazing positive thing. What Stuart's shaking his head like? He is Rudy, go ahead. Go ahead, Rudy. Yeah.
Speaker 5:Well, I was going to say it also expands to machinery and hardware, so, for example, stress fractures on frames and pulling machines. Something that's getting used a lot is you grab these images and you're able to code them with AI tools, if you will, with much more detail. In the construction field, microfissures that start forming in, let's say, columns or, in particular, contention walls you can detect them earlier and thus preventing a collapse of a building, if you will.
Speaker 4:So there's a lot of application that is for good lots and lots of good and yeah so now the question is let's, let's, let's kind of turn the corner. What kinds of of of concerns should we have for what pope leo was saying about the kinds of jobs in the future, the kinds of people who are not going to have work in the future? Stuart was talking earlier about the Wall-E movie, about how everybody sits around on this kind of luxury spacecraft.
Speaker 3:The space liner. It gets bigger and bigger and fatter and fatter. The pictures on the wall of the captain of the ship, the captain's each generation, gets fatter and fatter and lazier and lazier, because the machinery is doing every single thing for them. There's no exercise, they sit in a chair and it takes them to a different part of the ship. They don't do anything.
Speaker 4:They don't even walk. They don't even walk. I mean, they get rolled into bed Right pretty much. It was really a pretty funny kind of thing.
Speaker 3:But it's also a warning. I think that's a warning to us, yeah, and could be a warning about it could be applied to AI? Yeah, because if it does everything for us, you know brains need exercise too, and if it does it for us, where's the exercise for their brain?
Speaker 4:the new york crossword times. Crossword right. This one is right.
Speaker 8:No, father mario, as you think about jobs that you you hear, about things that you maybe have read over the past few years, see, I'm not I'm not as concerned, and here's the reason why because there are going to be jobs, and I think that the Holy Father was not saying that society can't change We've experienced tons of change but that we do it consciously and not just haphazardly. I mean, we have the whole thing also going on in terms of creating biological entities that are mixed you know, animals that can be mixed or protest to babies, or all kinds of different things that can be done with science, and we've been discussing that and we've been discussing that and ultimately, society is going to I think it's going to self-correct, because I think the technologies somebody will come up with a technology to see if this is authentic or not. Companies will spring up to test stuff to see if it's AI produced or not You're talking about okay AI, up to test stuff to see if it's AI produced or not.
Speaker 4:You're talking about okay AI, and that's even true now in the university. There are utilities that have been developed that can read an AI paper, a generated paper, and say yes, 92% of this paper has been generated by.
Speaker 8:AI. I think AI will turn on itself.
Speaker 4:It can. What does that mean?
Speaker 8:It means that, remember, ai is human produced. You've seen Terminator? Right, I'm thinking about Terminator with all this conversation. No, no, but imagine some student faking a paper with AI. Well, somebody's going to develop a program that will tag that AI, will tag another AI, and see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:I see what you're saying, but let me ask you both something, and this is for you too. Okay, but ai can produce papers, but ai can also produce sermons. So if, when you were the like the head of the who gets to be a priest for the diocese, okay, would you be upset if a potential priest said you know, my sermons are all AI produced or something? Would it affect congregations? Would a congregation be upset if they found out that the minister or priest or rabbi did a sermon that was AI produced and said it from their own head and heart?
Speaker 8:The answer is no, but here's from it. For us as Catholics, okay. For us as Catholics, the shortest you would be able to get through our seminary is six to seven years.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 8:And in those six or seven years, if you're using AI for everything you're going to come across. You're going to be great in turning in a paper, but then you're going to be in a discussion group and you're going to be an idiot.
Speaker 4:Okay, let's say hold on.
Speaker 3:But that's when they go to seminary. What about when they're in the church? What?
Speaker 8:do you mean?
Speaker 3:in the church. I mean, they're on the pulpit, they're already an ordained priest and if they create a sermon that's AI produced, Perfect.
Speaker 8:I would rather have a priest who cannot speak, who can't preach, create an AI sermon. That was really good. The object is not that the priest be any that be able the object is that the message is good for the congregation.
Speaker 5:That's how I look at it too, I think I think, all right, rudy, what do you think? I think, at the end of the day, and what the Holy Father kind of speaks about is what, fundamentally, with all things like the splitting of an atom, right, we could have created fission and fusion energy. Right, we could create more nuclear reactors One of the things that most is the greatest, how would you say the greatest indicator of a civilization sort of moving out of poverty, is the access to energy, is the access to energy, and so we're able to create vast amounts of energy with it. But we're also able to create gigantic bombs to kill ourselves 1,500 times over, right, and so I think it kind of applies the same to AI. I mean, they kind of let loose chat GPT, if you will, and the first thing that it did is it recreated another chat GPT, so it sort of mimics the.
Speaker 4:You know I hate to say this, but all three of you are wrong. How? You're totally wrong. How I mean? Look, it is a human being wrestling with the text of Scripture. That is what constitutes most of our sermons. Yes, Okay, it's a human being. Paul says we have this truth in earthen vessels. Not, we have this truth in AI, right?
Speaker 3:In steel and copper.
Speaker 4:And it is these earthen vessels that are frail, that will break one day. That are the instruments of God's mission. I don't want Jesus. I would not have wanted Jesus showing up and saying let me go get an AI sermon and preach it. All right. Sermon on the Mount. Ai produced.
Speaker 3:You are all wrong.
Speaker 4:I want a human being who's wrestled with the text and speaking from the heart. And speaking from the heart Because AI can't do that.
Speaker 8:You're wrong. You're wrong, you are wrong. Why can't it? I will talk. I will talk when we get back.
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Speaker 8:Okay, well, welcome back. Now. The reason I said you're wrong for this is because I think you're presuming a purely AI sermon or a purely individual human sermon. What I would say is anybody who is worth their salt. Now, you're always going to have the tendency to be able to do either way, but most people, like I, would ask AI to give me answers to some issues that I'm dealing with in a sermon, and so, partially, the sermon is coming from AI, but it's going to be filtered through my decisions, my whatever I think is important, whatever isn't important. But we get ideas from all kinds of places. You know I cannot tell you what ideas came from where every time I speak.
Speaker 3:And do you really think that your congregation wants to know where it came from?
Speaker 8:They don't want to know Exactly. That's what I mean. That's what I call credentialism is that we are so obsessed with the ownership of our ideas, as if that we have. It becomes horribly wrong to use an idea without giving proper credit I will grant you that.
Speaker 4:my concern was when you guys were saying let a I do the sermon, just kind of ask the question, punch a button, print it off and go up in the pulpit, like that. That's I'm opposed to, but I would not be imposed to the idea that said okay, I'm having trouble kind of understanding kind of the nature of this whole problem. So can you run me a scan of four different opinions?
Speaker 8:about this. It would be the same thing as asking a professor. Could you please re-explain that to me?
Speaker 4:Exactly, and it'd be the same thing as trying to find the answer in a published book. If you had a published book around, it's called research. Why is it different?
Speaker 3:Asking AI to find the information, put it together and then edit and go over it and change it and add and subtract.
Speaker 4:To be research, you've got to go into a library, sit among dusty books and take your Claritin among the dust and just read the book. And it takes you an hour to get through a page.
Speaker 3:And in the age of Google you have to do that.
Speaker 8:He's being cynical.
Speaker 7:I'm being cynical, of course, oh, okay.
Speaker 8:Yes, I'm not being serious to it, of course no, I mean you can't tell from david after all these years that we've known each other because he's so serious all the time he's a professor yes, as if all professors are serious all of the time.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, let's get an ai professor, see what they do. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8:And, by the way, in doing my research on YouTube, I looked at a couple of programs. I mean videos. One of the videos was showing an AI Pope, leo, giving a talk that he had never given.
Speaker 3:Did it really look like him? Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 4:They use legitimate footage and they're able to change the movement of the mouth they're able to change the mannerism. Not change it, but to bring the mannerisms into consistency with the real person. Use their voice, change to internal. It's amazing.
Speaker 8:They can have actors who are dead be leads in movies.
Speaker 3:But they don't look like.
Speaker 8:They do look like.
Speaker 4:They look exactly like them.
Speaker 8:That's what they're supposed to look like. Yes, yes.
Speaker 4:They look like they did in 1967 because they have that film together. Yeah, so you have to start with something. You can't just make it up.
Speaker 3:You've got to start with a film from that period, because only God starts with nothing and creates from nothing. There you go, there you go.
Speaker 4:Stuart. So, rudy, engineering. Let's talk about engineering really quick, because we're just about out of time here. Talk about engineering really quick because we're just about out of time here. Um, how many engineers are going to lose their uh ability to practice engineering over the next 50 years, you think, because of I think.
Speaker 5:I think I think only, as with all things uh, david, the, the lazy ones, because with engineering and with philosophy too, I mean, and just as a kind of a fundamental human initiative, if you will, I always want to keep growing and knowing. So I'm always seeking, especially as a business owner, right? So I'm always thinking, especially as a business owner, right, you're always wanting to happen, is it's going to become more specialized and the people that get more specialized are going to take those top-tier jobs, if you will. I mean, I'm sure maybe there will be some downsizing. It'll take 10, 15 years.
Speaker 4:Well, if Stuart has his way, there'll be a lot of rabbis out of work, because all he needs is AI to do all these sermons and such.
Speaker 3:Right to do baby namings and everything else.
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly, exactly. So I mean there are some jobs that only a human being could do.
Speaker 3:it seems like human being could do. It seems like, david, you know, 20, 30 years ago I remember they had these programs that would act like a council, like a psychologist, and they would respond. You would type in something and it would say well, how does that make you feel?
Speaker 4:So this was typed in. You type it in and it was all typed back.
Speaker 3:Right. But people would say, who took part in this program that it really helped them, that they really felt like they were being helped psychologically by these programs. Who were like, if they use this word, ask this, if they use that word, ask that you know this kind of programming Right. But they said it felt natural and they felt like they were helped.
Speaker 4:Well, there are all these chatbots that are trying to get into our brains. You know, today earlier, I got a text message. I said hey, I'm looking forward to seeing you tonight at six, something like that, and I have no clue who it was. Now. If I had responded, I didn't, but if I'd responded to that, I would be connected to a chat bot and that chat bot would be learning about me and be also learning about conversation. So it's very well possible that millions of people have been chatting, even briefly, with persons Scammers, they're not scammers with persons Scammers they're not scammers.
Speaker 3:They are scammers.
Speaker 4:They're bots. They're not trying to get anything out of you. What they're trying to do, they're trying to learn how to have conversations that are human-like conversations. That's not throwing up a bunch of mumbledy gook or something.
Speaker 4:The ones you're talking about, I'm sure, but there are also horrible uses of AI out there that are only for the purpose of scamming people, absolutely absolutely yeah, You've got to be careful, but I'm just saying that they have been learning from us how to speak. You know, I go to this dealership, car dealership and all of a sudden a little chatbot jumps up, say I'm Michelle, how can I help you? And I start chatting with, say I'm looking forward to doing to, you know, having my car in for service or whatever. Well, what can we do to help? What time do you want to come? You know, and so it's learning. It's not intelligent in the same way that there is conscious intelligence. It's responding in a particular way. It has been programmed, In a sense programmed to respond.
Speaker 8:It's mimicking human output.
Speaker 4:It is, it is yeah, and it can do it at an amazing pace. Right, it can do it so much more efficiently in some ways than we can do.
Speaker 3:That means some secretary and some auto dealer lost their job to a chatbot.
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly, and that's part of the Pope's concern, I think, is that most of the people that are going to get hurt by this will not be white-collar professional people generally, collar professional people generally. It's going to be people who are um in in middle range jobs, you know who?
Speaker 3:maybe it's their first job or second job, but, boy, it goes away because there's the chat bot that can do it instead you know they used to say that whenever there was a technology, people would lose their jobs because of the new technology, but new jobs would come in their place. So if we have AI doing things and then AI correcting AI, will there be new jobs for people to take?
Speaker 4:In 50 years from now, I won't be around, none of us. Rudy might be around, okay, but you don't think he'll be around. Okay, 30 years. But there'll be jobs get physically fit get physically fit that's physical therapy um, there'll be jobs that we have never imagined taking place in 30, 40 years. A lot of that's because of the pace of technology when we think about 30 to 40 years from now, jobs that we could never imagine will be happening, and they might be good-paying jobs, who knows?
Speaker 3:And some of the jobs we absolutely rely on now will go the way of the buggy whip manufacturing companies.
Speaker 4:Yep, yep, exactly, all right, very quickly. How important is it for human beings, made in the image and likeness of God, to work Stuart?
Speaker 3:being I might get flack for this, but I think mainly males, but females too have need work, needs to do something productive and and that's how they find meaning, you know, in, in, in, in what they do every day.
Speaker 8:Paul mario oh, I I think in human. The human being, made in the image and likeness of God, has to be in some way creative. You need to create, you need to do something meaningful, rudy.
Speaker 4:So it could be creating music.
Speaker 8:It could be art, it could be yeah, rudy.
Speaker 5:I think as long as it continues to serve that creative endeavor of humanity, I think we're going to be okay with AI.
Speaker 8:Yeah.
Speaker 5:It's when we start playing our vices with pornography and addiction and other things like that that I think it's going to really turn ugly.
Speaker 3:Go see the Terminator again.
Speaker 8:Dime it, okay. Well, who's up next week? I am Okay, stuart is our student. Rabbi, remember to send the show. Okay, well, who's up next week? I am Okay, stuart is our Rabbi. Rabbi, remember to send the show. What did?
Speaker 3:you say I don't know. Say it again.
Speaker 5:Remember to send the show that Miranda sends the show.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, absolutely.
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