Kevin Kendellen

What if your childhood passion could shape your career? Kevin Kandelin, Construction Technology Manager at Riley Construction Company Inc., joins us to share his fascinating journey from building intricate Lego models as a child to managing complex construction projects as an adult. Kevin's story is a testament to how early hobbies can influence professional pathways. He shares anecdotes of creating detailed Lego cities and stadiums, revealing an innate understanding of lean construction principles long before entering the industry.

Discover how architectural wonders and family traditions have played pivotal roles in Kevin's growth, both personally and professionally. Kevin recounts his awe-striking encounter with the Calatrava expansion wing of the Quadracci Pavilion at the Milwaukee Art Museum, emphasizing the sophisticated problem-solving it involved. Additionally, Kevin sheds light on his family's deep-rooted involvement with the Milwaukee Irish Fest. These experiences have fostered a sense of community, adaptability, and leadership that Kevin applies to overcoming challenges in his career and life.

Stay tuned as we delve into the future of construction technology and the importance of engaging youth in the industry. Kevin underscores the value of STEM education and the myriad of career paths available within the construction sector. Learn about Riley Construction's approach to incorporating cutting-edge technologies that boost efficiency and scalability. Kevin also shares his visionary concept of modular, sustainable housing that adapts to the occupants’ needs, much like a Lego set. It’s an inspiring conversation that looks ahead to the innovations shaping the future of living spaces.

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Chapters

• 0:23 Innovations in Construction Industry
• 10:52 Family, Festivals, and Building Inspiration
• 17:39 Advancements in Construction Technology
• 29:20 Future of Modular Housing Innovation

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:23

Welcome to the Future Construct podcast, where we delve into the innovations and insights shaping the future of the construction industry. Today, we have a remarkable guest with us, kevin Kandelin, construction Technology Manager at Riley Construction Company Inc. With over two decades of experience in the field and a passion for advancing construction technology, kevin has spearheaded transformative initiatives at Riley, elevating their construction processes to new heights. From his childhood love for building with Legos to his dedication to STEM, to education, kevin embodies the spirit of innovation and growth that defines the future of construction. With all of your experience, you're continually and positively influencing the digital construction market. Thank you for all of your many contributions in the AEC space, kevin. Well, let's get started. So, kevin, I mentioned in your introduction your childhood fascination with Legos, which sparked your interest in construction. Could you help elaborate on how playing with Legos influenced your career path?

Speaker 2: 1:20

Yeah, absolutely so. Yeah, it's kind of fun looking back at that a little bit. So I was definitely not your normal Lego kid in that regard, so I was always trying to recreate real buildings or real looking buildings with Legos. I wasn't interested as much in building spaceships or cars or anything like that. I was trying, you know, trying to build um, actual, you know realistic, you know city type building. So I think I built a baseball stadium ones, uh built a full city kind of mock-up, kind of things like that. Um, so that was that was kind of more the uh going after at that point. So, um, you know, it was uh, it was definitely uh took a lot of inspiration from, from the built world.

Speaker 1: 2:05

Uh, in my lego building days so, uh, what age range were you? And, and I'm also curious, how long did it take to build a full city or a baseball stadium?

Speaker 2: 2:15

um, I think I got my first lego set when I was like four, you know, I think it was a castle set. So I still remember that, um, the um you know these projects. I would probably ask my, my parents I would have been like locked in my room building for hours and days, um, at this point, like they'd like they wouldn't be able to open the door. There was just Lego in the way. Um, you know these things, and I wouldn't stop till I was done either. So I had a schedule in mind, um, as I'm building through this. So it was definitely um again, not just uh, not just building the sets. It was uh, taking, making the creations kind of take on a life of their own.

Speaker 1: 2:54

Now did you find yourself? For example, was the baseball stadium, was that preset or um, or you know? Did you sort of innovate around that and the creation of that?

Speaker 2: 3:01

Oh, that was fully my own doing. So I think, recalling myself, my dad from his childhood had this painted baseball field board that his dad had made. So my grandfather made it. It was really cool and painted playboard, um playboard and it was. So I actually ended up using that as the baseline and built the stadium and kind of around it, um, at that point, and and made modifications and kind of took inspiration from other ballparks out there and went, uh, probably went, went above and beyond what, uh, what would have? You know, put people in the seats, you know, make sure they had good sight lines. They had good sight lines, things like that. You know the important things you think of when you're 10.

Speaker 1: 3:40

For sure.

Speaker 2: 3:48

So, if I'm picturing this correctly, it sounds like you took a 2D model and you made it a 3D model out of Legos. Yeah, I mean, it was literally just the playing field, right. It was the only thing that was not Lego in that regard, and you know, of course it was. You know, it was probably a three foot by three foot piece of wood that was painted on too, so it was no small scale either by that point. So it took up a good chunk of my room. Um, you know we had to. You know couldn't take it apart either for probably about a year and a half that you wouldn't allow it to be taken apart.

Speaker 2: 4:12

We're not. No, we're not allowed. Siblings weren't allowed to touch it. You know it was one of those creations very cool.

Speaker 1: 4:20

Um so, with being an avid lego fan, um, uh, what are the parallels that you find between building legos and managing construction projects in the real world? And and I loved how you mentioned earlier that you had the schedule in mind. So that's one of them yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:32

So it's kind of funny along those lines too, where it was um, again, not normal 10 year old building of lego, um buddy stretch. So I was, I was the one who sorted out all the bricks prior to um building any set and then, after they were, after I took those heads apart, they were then sorted by color and type and you know, early, early levels of ocd are kicking in at this point and um, but really so I was. I was really implementing a lean before it was cool, um is the way I'm gonna preface that one. And it was um, you know, really understanding just how things were assembled, how buildings went together, understand, you know, built, you know and tried to tie more realistic appearances into these. You know you kind of have to think through um, a lot of those different aspects as long as we go with it. So you know, even now, my, my kids probably hate building with me because of that stuff. So they're much more like normal kids.

Speaker 1: 5:29

Well, in fairness, you know, I think there is no normal anymore, but I love that your kids are exploring. You know other alternative. You know tools and hobbies, um, but, uh, I also love that. You. You also think that lean is cool, um, so let's, let's talk a little bit about lean and your experience and implementing lean.

Speaker 2: 5:49

Yeah, absolutely so. Um, yeah, so Riley's really been lean focused um for for before my time even at Riley. So they were kind of started off that lean journey um early on. So, um, we have, uh, we have a process in house called in step, which is uh, basically our, our, our lean planning process procedures that are that are built into our everyday project lives.

Speaker 2: 6:15

Um, so there's a lot of, you know, planning tools involved with that. There's a there's the cultural aspect that's involved in that too, because it it's it is a cultural shift in a lot of regards, um, but really kind of focusing on making sure we got the right right people, the right material, the right right items at the right time, um, throughout the job and in the communication aspect. It's it is a huge part of that. Um, whenever, whenever we talk project schedules, our most current up-to-date project schedule is always the pull plan that's in the job trailer. That is, first and foremost, you know, that's your, that's your pulse on the job, Um, and that's meant to be both a collaborative method as well as, um, you know, just kind of making sure that you know everybody's on the same page throughout the team, no matter, you know, subcontractor, general contractor, owner, anybody who's involved in that process.

Speaker 2: 7:07

So it really drives a lot of our planning and a lot of our, you know, implementation on job sites. As far as that goes and understanding you know what's coming next, next, what has to happen before the next item and items like that um, and also from a pers, from a personnel standpoint, we we tend to run lean um in that regard too. So we do a, we do a lot of work with probably the least amount of people um possible, and that's by design. That's not intentional um, or I should say it is intentional intentional um, or I should say it is intentional um, it is um. So our project sites, you know we're we're really trying to emphasize that efficiency side of it too and make sure that you know, hey, we will, we'll bring in resources when needed, when they're needed um. We're not going to overload projects with with um unnecessary resources.

Speaker 1: 8:00

So do you apply the practices of lean to have a lean resourcing schedule or staffing schedule?

Speaker 2: 8:08

We, we do um to, we're getting. We're getting that. One's kind of starting to get a little bit better um, as you go through, and again it's it's a journey, it's it wasn't, uh, you know, a flip of a switch or anything like that, so, um, but that continuous improvement process is always part of what we do and I think that's that's a huge part where we're really starting to understand. You know, understand. You know it's like okay, well, this, you know from a personnel standpoint, yeah, let's plan that out a little bit.

Speaker 1: 8:45

We're not going to go in with. We're going to make sure that we have the right people in the right spot. Great, and before we jump back into your childhood, just a question about the implementation of lean, and you mentioned continuous improvement. So you said that lean was already being implemented before you had joined Riley. So do you know how long that lean has been a critical strategic component at Riley?

Speaker 2: 9:07

I'd have to verify that one back in my history lessons here, but I believe it was probably around the 2014-2015 year. Great.

Speaker 1: 9:12

Yeah, so almost going on nine, 10 years of implementing a core strategy. So I just love to emphasize that because it's know, it's a reminder that we're all not alone and that it takes time to take a great idea and put that into. You know execution and see that through and still there's learning and continuous improvement on it. So, jumping back into your childhood, I'm just wondering if you could pick a few different specific architectural influences or favorite buildings. Maybe the baseball stadium or the city that you built, but you know that inspired your passion for construction.

Speaker 2: 9:48

Yeah, absolutely. So probably the first one that comes to mind right around that that I think probably my middle school years was Miller park, so now American family field home of the Brewers in Milwaukee. That was, you know, for me the first time that we saw a mega project kind of in the area and that was that was really exciting to see. I was lucky enough because my, my cousin was actually an interior designer for one of the firms involved at that time and she was able to actually get me a job site tour during the construction and so great, it was really cool. So, actually being able to see that kind of scale you know we had just seen renderings from, you know, in the newspaper at that point of what the stadium was going to be. I think they actually built, like you know, the actual 3D model with the moving roof on it for the design competition, so you saw all that kind of stuff. But actually seeing how that comes together and the different components in the in the ballpark I was, was fantastic, um, so that was number one. Um, just just really, really really started appreciating commercial construction a lot with with those types of projects, the.

Speaker 2: 10:52

The second one probably would have been the, the uh quadraki pavilion, uh, so walk, your art museum was the. That was the calatrava expansion wing, uh, that they put on, probably around the same time, a little bit before that, but it was the first time we had a international renowned architect. You know, come to milwaukee and design something, um, in years, and it was, um, you know, just understand, you know, seeing the building and seeing how, you know how you would actually build something that moves, um, that flexes the way that that structure does, um, I still walk into that building now and I still still, you know, just get goosebumps walking into that to that main pavilion and seeing just the white lines and the repetition within that building. So, um, but for me it was really the, you know, the problem solving aspect that came to light, which was okay, well, how do you actually build something like this, like, yeah, it's a cool design? How do? How do you actually build something like this, like, yeah, it's a cool design? How do you, how do you get all these pieces, components, to work together and and and understand that? So it was, uh, those were.

Speaker 2: 12:04

Those two were definitely um, inspirational in my career.

Speaker 1: 12:08

Beautiful. Thank you for sharing, kevin. So, kevin, I also understand that you have a strong family history and and working at the uh. Our involvement in the Milwaukee Irish Fest.

Speaker 2: 12:20

Yeah, absolutely so. Our involvement with Irish Fest started off my parents. When the kids were younger, they signed us up to volunteer with them on a more family-friendly atmosphere. They had been, I think, bartenders down there for a couple and eventually we ended up the family was. My parents were asked to kind of become coordinators of an area during the festival.

Speaker 2: 12:54

And for those of you who don't know, irish Fest, it's a four-day long festival in Milwaukee every year. It's the world's largest Irish music cultural heritage festival, so built, and it takes place on the Summerfest grounds right on the Milwaukee lake front. So it's, it's a really, really cool um infrastructure, as far as that's, as far as the festival goes. It's not tense in a in a field, it's, it's permanent structures and real stages and stuff like that. Um, it is, uh.

Speaker 2: 13:21

So family's been involved in, in running you, in running a couple of different areas throughout the years with that.

Speaker 2: 13:27

The Tipperary Tea Room is one, and then we were actually coordinating a similar venue, patty's Cafe, for a couple of years as well, and those you know, serving Irish coffee, serving scones, things like that during the festival. The festival, uh, but became more of a, of a of a family activity more than anything else. So that was that was really the start of it and, um, you know, obviously that kind of grew to um. You know, I was on the, I was ended up on the board of directors for for three years and and with the festival and and siblings have taken on leadership roles within the festival as well and things like that. So now we're now we're third generation and into it and our kids are volunteering as well. They kind of grew up and we joke around that my brother learned, you know, my younger brother learned how to walk down that irish fest um during setup, um more evidence imagine a lot of people we learn how to walk there too.

Speaker 2: 14:21

Right, right, right stumble first, then walk um, yeah, the um, yeah, it's, uh, so it's, it's. It's kind of just been a real, a real fun, you know, volunteering aspect that we, that we've been involved with, and it's a great community as well. The irish community, you know, you don't really normally don't think irish when you think milwaukee, um, but it, it there's. There's a pretty big, uh, irish population here as well and and pulling in from from nearby areas as well, from from Chicago and things like that to our our, you know, really drive up attendance and all that. So, um, plus, we have better music. So there's, I can't, uh, can't deny that.

Speaker 1: 15:01

Well, thanks so much for sharing that. I mean, it's absolutely incredible Three generations. Our work is often with union members and it really touches my heart to see the multi-generational approach to the union and the construction industry. I'd really love to hear from you how the Milwaukee Irish Fest that has impacted and contributed to your personal and professional growth and and maybe even encourage some thoughts in the in the construction space yeah, um.

Speaker 2: 15:30

So think about that question a little bit too kind of. Before this was, it was um. I think it's learning how to adapt to change. Uh was probably the biggest, biggest parallel uh between working with irish fest and in construction and things like that and not letting the little things you know get you know, bother you as much um it. You know the festival grounds change every year. There's always improvements being made, things that we have to adapt to um as well. And and understanding how different setups work, how logistics work, how you know different aspects of of uh, of the festival management kind of work.

Speaker 2: 16:09

I think that really, you know, helped me at least you know, understand that. You know we're not, we're not going to sweat the little things. I'm not going to sweat that. You know this one little, this one thing, doesn't working right now. We're going to focus on other things, um and prior to prioritize those areas, um, you know. But also being able to adapt on the fly. You know we can. We got to make the best of what we got at the time. We got people lined up. We got, you know, customers out there. We got to make sure that we're giving them the best quality you know, experience that they have. As well as you know, as far as as well as keep you know, keep our festival area running smoothly.

Speaker 1: 16:45

Very cool. I also understand that you're a huge proponent of STEM and and I am as well, and and so I personally love your dedication to STEM education groups. Can you tell me about how you're, how you're involved in STEM and how you show your time there, and then to expand on that, how do you believe early exposure into construction and technology at a young age influences the next generation?

Speaker 2: 17:08

Yeah, absolutely so. The my start with my, you know, my involvement with STEM has really been based off of my early involvement in the industry itself as well. So when I was a senior in high school, I started my first internship. Well, so when I was a senior in high school, I started my first internship, um, so it was. I had the opportunity to, you know, get high school credit for working with a architectural firm, um, in the area, and that was, you know, that opportunity. I will swear by um for the for the rest of my days.

Speaker 2: 17:40

And it's, it's, it's just that aspect of of being involved in something that's real, that's you're part of the industry, part of the project team You're part of. You're actually, you know, helping build up your local environment and it's, you know, allowing those opportunities to you know. Return those opportunities back to high school, I think, is a huge aspect, for that back to high school, I think is a huge aspect for that and really pushing. You know why we need more and more, you know, smart people and really doers within the industry itself. The STEM involvement too, and it's been great to see that kind of grow in the last 10 years, where, you know, I think we're still living under the mantra of you know you have to go for your college, you have to do that, you know you have to. There's a certain way you have to do things in order to succeed in life, and now that we're seeing more of the emphasis on the trades themselves and being able to have those aspects into their education, I think is huge. I think, also, changing the mindset as far as that goes is a huge aspect as well, and it's, but being able to actually to help from the industry side of things now and, you know, being able to be involved and showing what else is out there for these kids is great, and helping them kind of think through more real-world problems and things like that that they're going to be finding on job sites and design phase, any aspect of the construction industry itself.

Speaker 2: 19:20

I think the biggest goal that we have right now is to show them that, yeah, trades are important. No one's denying that one. We need to keep, you know, trying to get more young people into the trades. I think the other part, though, too, is that there's so many different opportunities in construction that are out there that are overlooked, you know, within the company you have, obviously, we have marketing, we have construction technology. You have, obviously, we have marketing, we have construction technology. We have, you know, so many different levels of that are abound within the company. That it's you know.

Speaker 2: 19:49

We don't want to have the mantra be, you know, it's not just swinging a hammer. Yes, that's important, but if that's not of interest to you, there are other things in the industry that you can excel in your professional life. You know things that you know. I'm doing things today with construction technology I never would have thought would have been anywhere in my on my radar, you know, 25 years ago. So this is the industry is constantly changing and it's not going to stop changing, and so it's our job as, as professionals in the industry to show the next generation this is where we're heading, this is what we're doing, this is what you know. If these are of interest to you, there's a spot for you here, um, and we want to keep improving.

Speaker 1: 20:33

I love that. Thank you for your dedication to STEM, um. I know that I also was very personally um impacted by uh on the job training in my high school and college days, um, and I'm so grateful for those opportunities and I think it's great that you know you're focused on providing that the lessons learned and the spirit that you have you know, to the next generation and you hold that responsibility dear. It's incredible. You had mentioned a couple of things that take us to today which you know. Earlier in the call we had talked about continuous learning. Just now you had talked about the importance of educating ourselves and others on construction technology. So I'm really curious you know what do you do at Riley to stay so up to date and up to speed and expand on? You know latest breaking technology that you're considering and how that's brought an impact to Riley?

Speaker 2: 21:27

Yeah. So we have a saying here that we're not interested in it, we're not really interested in being on the cutting edge, but we want to be right behind it and so what that the meaning behind that is. You know, we're we're a regional general contractor, construction manager. Right, we have, we have our home area that we operate in. We'll travel for clients outside of the area, but you know, we're really interested in making sure that we are looking at value-added tools that are out there. So these are tools that, again, you know we want to make sure that they're adding the value to the project, adding value to the team, the process, whatever the case might be, but also that they can scale when needed. So we're not looking for the shiny object, the one-hit-wonder kind of tools that are out there. We're looking for something that's going to have tangible value over the course of multiple projects from that perspective, and it also has to be a solution If it's a software tool that adds a step in the process, that's not again go back to Lean.

Speaker 2: 22:28

That's not exactly a solution in our book. We want that, you know. Ideally we want a new technology tool to eliminate two steps instead of, you know, adding more. So being really selective in how we look at technology and how we look at those solutions that are out there. We really kind of put it under a microscope and try to put it through the ringer a little bit in the planning. You know, before we hit, you know before we, you know, purchase the equipment or purchase the technology solution.

Speaker 2: 23:02

So there's definitely a process involved with it. It's not just, you know, on a whim kind of thing. I mean, those do come up. I won't lie. You know, sometimes we do see a shiny object, we get really excited about it, and that's just our job as technology professionals. But we do really try to have a plan for that tool, have a plan for its use and make sure that. You know, at the end of the day, technology is a tool in construction. If it doesn't work for you, it's not working, and I think that's a mindset that we've really tried to stick with looking through those. So you know, if we do find new technology at conferences, if you know vendors come to us with new stuff, we'll try it out, we'll be honest with them and move on.

Speaker 1: 23:50

Yeah, thanks for sharing that Very, very practical vision that you know really shows that you're going to bring the most most pragmatic, most valuable approach to your clients. You know, ensuring that everybody's resources are used the most efficiently, you know, while also staying ahead of the curve. So, yeah, really I love that business minded set applied to applied to technology Brilliant. So what are some of the advancements that you've implemented over the past six years at Riley?

Speaker 2: 24:18

Yes, we've probably are one of our larger ones. We've switched our model viewers, so getting a bit into the field has been a solution that we've worked on for a couple years. We've settled on products that really help push out the use of a model to anyone, so that's regardless of hardware setup that they have. We want to try to make this as user-friendly as possible, so we're trying to keep users on the forefront of this. We don't want to make it too complicated. We don't want to make it that it's only something that the VDC staff knows how to do, so they're the only ones who own it.

Speaker 2: 24:57

We want this to be again that useful tool for everyone to help build a better building. So, along those lines, you know, so the 3D model viewer, you know upgrading our layout capabilities over time, getting more of that direct connect from the planning design phases into the field um as well, um really looking at those at those uh aspects of it as well. So, um from the self-perform side. So we do self-perform but really try to help, you know, our field crews um as much as we can with those, and so if they have ideas too, we we really want that feedback, we want that collaboration with them along those lines. So you know, if we find that shiny object, we'll throw it to them first and kind of get some feedback on it and see if you know it's something that they feel used or if it's just a gimmick, you know, but really involving involving that aspect too, because again, if it doesn't work for them, it's, it's, we're not going value in it, it's just going to gather dust in the corner.

Speaker 1: 25:56

Absolutely. And how have these advancements impacted Riley and not collected dust in the corner?

Speaker 2: 26:04

Yeah, over time. Obviously we're still not flipping the switch in that regard, but over time it's allowed us to keep that lean mentality as far as that goes. So if we're trying to implement a new layout tool, you know we want it to go from, you know, a three-person crew down to it's one person and a piece of equipment, right. So what that allows us to do is, you know, we're not laying people off. We obviously want them to do something that's more productive of their time on the job site, and so that's allowing them to do something that's more productive of their time on the job site, and so that's, that's been a lot that's allowing them to to do that. It allows us to to really emphasize better planning as well.

Speaker 2: 26:44

So the more, the more conversations, the more collaboration, the more planning that we can do ahead of time. That actually actually translates directly to the field at this point. So it's not, you know, we don't. We eliminate the, the. We're trying to eliminate the. The foreman have to go, you know, spend a month looking through all the drawings and trying to get his, his or her process planned out. We're taking, we're making a lot of that digital, make a lot of that seamless seamless as we can within within the tools we have.

Speaker 1: 27:14

Yeah, thanks for sharing that experience. So, speaking of how technology has advanced Riley and the way that your organization views adoption of technology, is there a special project in your time at Riley that holds a very special place in your heart and is particularly memorable for you?

Speaker 2: 27:34

Yeah, absolutely. So. Probably my favorite one to date would probably be the first project we did with Milwaukee Tool, so this was 2019. And we did. It was the first expansion project on their campus here locally.

Speaker 2: 27:53

That one was really fun because I was involved from interview prep through interview through project through closeout with it, so I got to see all different facets of it and it was really the perfect alignment for us. You know, project size was right in the wheelhouse, the ownership team was fantastic. The project type was complex complex that you know you. You still had to think through um a lot of different aspects of it and and the components that went into the building were, um, you know, really allowed us to make technology shine. It was just set up really well for that and it was a. It was the customer who cared um about technology, which is which is great, you know. Usually, you know, oh cool, that's a nice visual Check the box. There. We actually had customers and personnel on the job site that were legit interested in what we were doing and how we were doing it and focusing on that aspect of it. So that had to be my favorite one so far.

Speaker 1: 28:51

That's great. I really love that no-transcript. And as the final question of the show and a traditional future construct if you could project yourself out 25 years and wanted to have any device or technology that would benefit you personally, what would it be and what would it do?

Speaker 2: 29:33

Yeah, absolutely. So this was a fun one to try, I think, through a little bit. So this was so recently we've been toying around with the idea of a couple of home improvement ideas at the house and you know, four kids and we love our area but we just need more space, right? So, trying to figure out how to make this work. So, you know, my dream idea would here would be, you know, the idea of a flexi space home, so a modular house, adaption um adaptation.

Speaker 2: 30:01

You know. You know, so you can order a new component for your house, have it dropped in, take another component away that you don't need anymore. You know your house can grow and and flex as you, as you need it, without changing your, your footprint too much. And you know, allowing you, allowing you to stay in the same area. I think that if you want to pool one day, order the pool. I get that six months of the year because we're in Wisconsin, and six months of the year I'll take a heated sunroom. So switch things out here and there, make it really, celebrate the modular aspect of a house.

Speaker 1: 30:34

That's really wonderful. There's a sustainability component to that, there's a green component, there's efficiency, and then it's a callback to Legos, right? So it's bringing that into our practical day-to-day world. So I hope that the world sees that and I hope that you're a big part of that come the future. That'd be fun. Well, thank you, kevin, for sharing your journey and insights into the future of construction technology. Your passion for innovation and dedication to empowering the next generation of construction professionals is truly inspiring, and it's been a joy and a pleasure on having you on the show. Thank you so much, kevin.

Speaker 2: 31:12

No, thank you, Much appreciated.