Kid Cudi Once Said "It’s Easier to Just Do"

In this episode, I'm joined with multidisciplinary artist Ashley Trabue to talk about the gap between ideas and action—and why so many creatives get stuck living in their heads.

Inspired by a quote from Kid Cudi, we dive into what it really means to stop imagining and start creating. From overthinking music videos to navigating perfectionism, social media pressure, and creative identity, this is an open conversation about choosing messy action over waiting for the “perfect” moment.

We also explore:

•  Why your ideas don’t need to be perfect to be shared 
•  How taking action actually creates clarity 
•  The pressure of social media—and how to move past it 
•  Letting go of perfection and embracing imperfect art 
•  Why creativity grows the more you use it 

If you’ve been sitting on ideas, overthinking your next move, or waiting until everything feels “ready”—this episode is your reminder to just start.❤️

Transcript

Zoom Return And Warm Up

SPEAKER_01 0:00

I I'm gonna hit record because I don't forget. But um I'm so good. I haven't recorded a video podcast in forever. Oops, I didn't mean to do that. And this is so crazy. I haven't even why it's like I can see you, but like they've changed things. I haven't even been on Zoom in like forever. It's like Yeah, it's like I'm used to like side by side, but now it's like I don't know. All these things are okay. Gallery. Okay, there we go.

SPEAKER_00 0:33

I love the color of your room. It's like um what like a mint kind of sea foam color?

SPEAKER_01 0:39

Yeah, I actually hate it.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

Oh, you do?

SPEAKER_01 0:42

I um I love it. It's funny because uh I was showing my coworker the other day and because I was telling her that I hate it. She's like, I actually love it. She's like, I think you just need better curtains. And I'm like, okay, because I have um maybe I could say I have like oh you can't you see those orangey ones up there? Uh-huh. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, I think those don't do just I don't know. I'm like, you know what? I'll I do like the color, but I did I got it in flat because I didn't know any better. I thought maybe no glare would be cool, and that was a mistake. Anyways, thank you though. I appreciate it. I just think it's funny. I'm like, okay, maybe I should reconsider this color. No, I always tell me it's nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

You can trust your gut, just because I like it means fuck all for your perspective, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:25

Like I know, but it's still, you know, I'm like, okay, what am I not seeing? You know, or something.

SPEAKER_00 1:32

Yeah.

Meet Ashley Treburo And Her Work

SPEAKER_01 1:32

Um, but thank you, thank you for joining me. Um, yeah, when I saw your video, I was so excited. You know, okay, funny story. Funny story. I was gonna talk about this on YouTube, but I hated the first video I made. And then the second time I tried to re-record it, my mic took a crap, crap on me. So then I saw your video and I was like, is this meant to be you know what? You know what? I think this was meant to be, so I'm gonna ask her if she wants to. Yeah! I mean, third time's the charm, right? Yes, yes, exactly. And I love I love your take on on this because I didn't have your point of view. So anyway, I guess I'm gonna give some context now. Um for everyone tuning in. This is Ashley Tri Trebu. Treburo. Triburo. Okay, Ashley Treburo.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

And do you wanna introduce yourself? Sure. Yeah, I am a multidisciplinary artist and I write, I paint, I do all kinds of different media, and then I also coach and mentor other artists. I have a background in Montessori education. I live now, right now, in Portland, Maine. I don't know. I like to yap on the internet. I had no idea you were from Maine. I don't know, I thought like Utah or Arizona or something. No, I definitely so I'm originally from Southern Kentucky, lived in Nashville to Nesse my adult life, and then I had to get the fuck out of the Bible belt. And so I tried Utah for a minute, I tried California for a minute, and then we came to Maine, and I kind of like Maine. Or the the area I'm in in Maine, I really like.

SPEAKER_01 3:13

Interesting. Yeah, I saw you you had snow up there recently. I saw there was like snow.

SPEAKER_00 3:18

Yeah, there's like no snow where you are, right? It's like what is the temp out there?

Turning A Song Into A Video

SPEAKER_01 3:22

It's like yeah, it's like it it varies. Like we just had like 80, high 80s, 90s, not too long ago, and it was so hot. I'm like, we're February. I haven't like the summer's gonna be insane. It's gonna be today's cool, but yeah, no snow. We did get a little bit of snow this year actually, but I lived in Denver for a while, so I'm used I lived it for a while, but anyways, uh so I I'm gonna tell you what I was thinking on this on this topic and why I failed to share. Um, as someone who like lives in their head a lot, not really, I I think I just have a lot of downtime at work. So when you're at the office, you have like nowhere else to go but your head, right? And as I was creating my album before I even released any of the songs, uh there's a song that I released called Men Are for Mars. I don't know if you heard it. Have you heard any of my music, by the way?

SPEAKER_00 4:20

Just not like on Instagram, yes. Yeah, I like I'm not sure if the audio was on for that one, but I definitely like I remember reading it, anyways. Yeah, it's okay. I'm gonna listen it to you.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Yes, please do. So, anyways, there's a song. Uh, this is honestly, I think it's so funny how let me put a pin on the other thing. Is that how when you're doing what you love, you like unbashedly, unshamefully will promote yourself, and you really don't you're like yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

I mean, maybe we should be like listen to the song right now.

The Kid Cudi Line That Clicked

SPEAKER_01 4:50

I don't know. I I wish, but I don't even know. I don't want to mess up anything on this. Okay, yeah. But anyways, um it's a song called Men Are from Mars, and for some like I every single day, at least once a day at work, I would sit there and I would just imagine it. Like, how would I make a music video? What would the story be? What would the theme be? What would I be wearing? What would the narrative be? Like on and on and on. And like I just I pictured a hundred different worlds for this song. And in the end, when it came down to like actually making a music video, I didn't even hire a videographer or anything because just the logistics of it didn't work out, and I knew the longer I waited, the more I was gonna get discouraged and nothing was gonna happen. I just needed to take action, right? So I was like, huh, like what would this look like if I did it myself? So I recorded myself. Um I just one day at night, I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna get a little dressed up, record myself, and see if I can like remove the background, do some funky stuff, and um I was able to a little bit, but then it was taking me forever. I'm like, I'm just gonna hire somebody and see if I can find somebody online who can edit it for me. And I did, and it turned out great. Like, I'm like, you know what? I I didn't obviously I could have I could have done better, but I knew that I needed I I couldn't do I couldn't wait for perfect. I had to get done. I was like, perfect can come later. Right now we just need to really get this, you know, like get that first jitters out of the way. Anyways, and um so then I was like, huh, like this is what ended up being the final version of like like all these ideas that I had in my head for it never came to be. Like in the end, it was like totally something completely different. And it made me think of this quote from Kid Cuddy. I don't know if you ever listened to Kid Cuddy. Okay, he has this song called Intergalactic, and there's this I there's this verse on there that I always heard, and for the longest time I cannot get it. I'm like, I I I don't know if I I don't agree with him. I was like, why is he saying this? I don't understand it. I'm like, there has to be a reason he's saying it, but I just I don't get it right now. And it finally clicked, and this is the this is the verse. He says, um He says, I know it's easy to imagine, but it's easier to just do. See, if you can't do what you imagine, then what is imagination to you? Just a waste of space in your brain to take the place of hate or other things of the same. But just that, like what's he's like, imagination is a waste of space in your brain. I'm like, how is imagination a waste? Then I was like, Oh, because if you don't do anything about it at the end of the day, then it's just what's the point?

SPEAKER_00 7:37

Yeah. Um love that album. Um it's that's the Man and the Moon album, right? And yes, yes, yes, yes, it is.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

That's because he ended up doing a movie called Intergalactic, but yes, that one is off that album.

SPEAKER_00 7:50

Yes, okay. I haven't seen the movie, but I'll have to because he like animates that doesn't he like get into animation and stuff?

SPEAKER_02 7:57

Yes, yeah.

Shrinking The Gap From Idea

SPEAKER_00 7:58

Oh, he's so cool. Um, yeah, right, exactly. Like, hmm, yeah, what's the use of like having creative ideas? Well, like the magic of it, the juice of it is like comes from making it. And I don't know, I mean, like exactly what you were saying. Like, I have found it is so rare. I don't think it's ever happened where I've had an idea and then just like immediate, like, make the exact thing, it always changes. And that can be really maddening sometimes, but also like the only way to get better at creating and to bring things to life that we really enjoy is to like muddle through and to learn. Like, that's where we build our skills, is in the doing. I love that you were like, I know if I just keep thinking about the perfect version of this music video, it's just like never gonna happen. And you were initially like, I'm gonna hire someone, and then you're like, fuck it, I'm gonna do it myself. And then you ended up hiring someone, but you couldn't have if you hadn't have made the footage. Yeah, I just think that there's like a lot to learn there. And I see so many creatives get like caught up. Like, there's all these stories we can tell ourselves about that sound really like logical and like serious, and like, oh yeah, that's just like the practical thing is to wait until you have money or time or whatever. But no, it's bullshit. Like, we go to work when we're tired. I don't have a lot of time, but I'm still gonna have to pay my taxes. Like, even if I don't have a lot of funds, I'm still gonna celebrate my like partner's birthday. Like, we don't have to have funds to do the thing, we don't have to have time to like do the thing. We can just like make the time, find the way.

SPEAKER_01 9:36

Yeah, yeah, like use our resources because so then the second music video that's not out yet, but I'm going that my it's actually getting edited right now. Um, I had been talking to my brother for like ever. I was like, because he likes to do video, and I just knew he really relates, he loved this song, the song Daddy Warned Me. He he's just been a big, a big fan of it since I shared it with him, and he's like, I want to do a music video for this song. Like he's like, I know what we can do. But even then, it was like pulling teeth. I'm like, yo, like, come on, we need to do this. So then randomly, one afternoon, I was like, We were in this house that my brother had just moved out of, and it was kind of like empty, and I'm like, This this is perfect. Like, what are you doing right now? I was like, Let's do it. He's like, Okay, like anyways, I went home and it changed real quick, and we just started filming, and and it's I mean, I don't know what's gonna I love what we filmed, I have no idea what it's gonna look like edited, but it's like and it's because there's no budget in that. Like, I that cost me zero money except what I'm gonna pay the editor or what I have paid, but it's gonna that's I don't know, it's like I think the more we practice this, the the the more we practice um decreasing the time from idea to action, it's like I feel like the better we get. Um anyway, so did you hear that? Was that me or was that you?

SPEAKER_00 11:01

This guy behind me. I like went on mute so that it hopefully it cut out, but I here I wonder if it'll help if I put these on. Can we try?

SPEAKER_01 11:09

I mean, it was just for a second. I was just like, I just didn't know if it was me and like okay, but it wasn't too distracting, it wasn't nothing. I was just like, I hope I didn't, it's not my mic. No, um but yeah, anyways.

SPEAKER_00 11:20

Well, so um you and your brother did it. Um wait, what was your brother's like role in this? He was like, oh, he was he was the cameraman.

SPEAKER_01 11:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause he's so great at angles and I see I hate I don't want to say I hate film, but that's just not my thing. Like I don't have any interest in it at all. Which has been like the hardest thing about being a musician now is that a lot of there's a visual component to music. And I can it's it's beautiful, it's actually really fun to also it's fun to be beh to act it out, to act out the music. I thought I was gonna be like shy, because I was for men or marsh. I even in my own room, in my own room, I felt really uncomfortable. But for this song, I got into character and everything. I'm like, oh my god, I think I can be on stage. I was like, maybe because I've never tried my own music, it never felt natural. But now that I I know the stories, I know the inspiration behind it, I know what I want to convey. I just I felt so cool. I'm like, hmm, maybe maybe I could perform one day on stage. But um, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:29

Oh my god, I just said that that would be a given. I'm so glad that like you had fun with it. It also wait, did you say that you aren't visual?

Using Action To Design A Life

SPEAKER_01 12:36

I feel like are you like yeah, yeah, I mean uh you're a painter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I am, but not film wise, like yeah, it's just recording. I don't have an eye for it. I have an eye for photography, like people. I I'm sure I could be a great like portrait photographer, but as far as as far as uh recording a scene, I just I I look at my brother's work and I'm like, you have an eye for it because he can take a simple he can take this room and find a a point of view that I would have never he can make it look interesting. Anything interesting. And I'm like, how do you I don't I don't know how he does it, but I am truly a fan and I'm just thankful. I'm like I have to utilize you because like you're you're so great, like you know, you can help me. And anyways, um but I I also I mean kind of on the same note, I was thinking about just now how we can apply the same thing to life. How we always have like we want we have all these ideas about how we want to live our life, and I want it's like we can easily do the same thing, get stuck on our head, or movement. Movement is the the answer, like action, any action, really.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

Right, because that's how you get clarity, right? Like, I think a lot of people, myself, like I am like first for so like so much of my life, I'm like, I'm gonna think my way to this answer. And it's like, no babes, you gotta just like messy action. And like as you take action, you'll learn, like, okay, like um, like it's hard for me to like leave the house past a certain time, but I want to go dancing, and so I'm like trying to find the thing that's like before it gets too late where I turn into like a grandma, you know. I'm like this like line dancing class, and it's like gonna be at 5 30, and I'm like done, I can do that. Five thirty like my grandma asked can do that. Um and so it's on my calendar now because I've had it as an idea, and it was just like living as an idea for far fucking too long. And I saw a girl, an online friend, dancing, having fun. She's like, This is better than therapy, and I'm like, I'm done thinking about it. I'm gonna go dancing. And then once I decided, I like saw the thing, right? Like the class was on my Instagram feed. I would have probably scrolled by it and not noticed, but because I had decided I'm gonna take action on the idea, the next step came a couple days later when I saw it. I'll report back. Like, let's let's see if I actually go. Like it's on Thursday. We'll see. I'll be I'll be waiting. I'm sure you're gonna go, especially if it's the right time. Yes, you know. 5 30, I can go.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

Some things when it's like eight o'clock, anyways.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

No, I that's how I feel. Like out of yeah. Um, sorry, my head just went in like a million directions. Yeah, I'm like, what was I even gonna go with this? I'm just really oh yeah. Um, I was thinking about the video you posted and how you were saying how the ideas manifested and like how how once we birthed them into existence, they all obviously have the limitations of this physical world, but that you think it's even more beautiful, even if it's not what we imagine it to be, even if it's imperfect, you think they're more there's more beauty in that?

SPEAKER_00 16:05

Totally. It's like um we all know people who are like trying to present as perfect, and they're like, I'm gonna tell you all the right things, I'm only gonna be like show my like most pleasant emotions, and you're just like, I can't connect with you. Like I'm like what? Like, can you just be real? And so I feel like there's art like that too, where it feels like it's like a facade. And I mean, I don't know, I think all creativity is good creativity, and like we all gotta make art that's like not gonna land or be flat, but like it's so much more enjoyable when you have friends that are like, I've just had this crazy thought, like, what do you think about this? Or like, oh, I'm so annoyed because I did this, like, who are real about how we feel and who are real about what's going on. And I think that like when we make art, it becomes more real um than this perfect idea, which like I don't know if I'm making sense. Does any of that land?

SPEAKER_01 16:59

Yeah, and I I I was thinking about how we can relate that to social media because I know I it's okay. So I asked Jet TPT to roast me recently. I'm like, I don't know what I know it's gonna roast me off whatever information I give in it. I'm like, I don't really talk to it like that, but I saw somebody else do it online. I'm like, I was bored out of time, like I'm just gonna ask it real quick, like, how would you roast me? And it says, you it was kind of it was lame, but uh it caught me thinking. It's like you you fixate on the details, like on like on the thumbnail, like if it's gonna break or make you. And I'm like, that's not even funny, but like whatever. And then I was like, wait, I do do that though, and I'm like, and that is how I feel. Like, how does that was actually really weird? I'm like, how do you know that's how I feel? Because I'm like, I always overthink the thumbnail, the title, because I feel like it will make or break the video, but at the end of the day, if it's a good video, it's gonna hit, and if it's not, I don't think a thumbnail is gonna save it. So I so then I was thinking about um uh an Instagram and stuff and how I I have the same I have the same uh belief around the reels I make. It's like it's either gonna make me or it's gonna break me. And it's just like what a weird belief to have. I'm like, that is so stupid, like make me into what? And bring me into what yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

No, you're like, I mean, it's so real, right? We give like so much power to these little decisions, and then it makes the decisions have way too much pressure, and then it's not fun anymore. And like, yes, and I think that like for me it's like help like it's helpful because sometimes in seeing other people, like there are a lot of accounts that I love, and when I go into their feed, I'm like, oh, this is chaos, it looks so chaotic, but they also like I don't care, like I love consuming the content, or like I love paintings that are just like messy and raw and feel undone almost, but then when I make something like that, there's a voice in my head of like clean it up, make it pretty, and I'm like wrestling with it because I'm like, no, I want to make things that feel real and honest, and um anyways, that is like my take on the like the way that we put a lot of pressure on ourselves, and I don't think we like put it on others, or when we look at others, sometimes it's easier to see I'm not applying this to them, and I still fucking love them. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

We're we're more willing to accept them as they are, right? Like, I was I uh I was I I'm constantly like analyzing social media. I'm a little obsessed with it. I'm obsessed with the psychology behind it, but I went to somebody's page recently, and I'm like, I wonder how many views they get. I'm always wondering, like, I wonder how many views people get, just to give myself context of what I should be expecting, I guess. And there's people with thousands of followers, and like they'll have 200 views, 300 views. I'm like, what? Like, I was for sure thought more people were watching them, but I'm like, I'm so glad they haven't stopped posting though, because I enjoy their content. Like, I I mean I don't really give a fuck that if they're getting 500 at that or a million. I'm like, I love their content. And I also realized that what does it a like even mean? Because I'll find myself scrolling and I will not even watch a video. Like, I'll just think like, oh, they're pretty, like, oh, this is cool, like, and then like a video that I actually do like, I'm like, oh, that's good. And then I forget to like it, and I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm like, why do we even base anything off this stuff? Like, it really can people can like your video and not even watch it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Like, it's just yeah, no, there's like a million reasons why people like interact and like the story in my head about people not liking and the actual reality, like you said. Um, yeah, you had just like, I think had done a post, maybe it was this morning or recently, of like the difference in shit we share that we like feel good about, and you're like, I don't even fucking care how this is received, I like it, versus when it's like trying to to do something, right? To help or to like serve, uh, and then just the way that it becomes more you become more attached to it.

unknown 21:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:13

And I I think like our ideas are similar, right? Like when I do an idea because like I I fucking back it 10 toes down and I'm interested to see what it can become, I'm less precious about it needing to be a certain kind of way, like it can be a surprise, right? Because I feel like the best ideas, like like you were saying with your like you don't know like how your brother's gonna shoot it, and now you're like giving it to the editor, and like hear that. You don't know if um, okay, if how he's gonna do it, anyways. It's just um it's more fun when we open ourselves up to the process, but when it has to be a certain outcome or I'm like, this better make me money. No, it's just gonna kill it, kill the joy.

SPEAKER_01 21:57

It's such a weird machine in social media because it's like None of us I mean now this other generation probably I mean they are being raised with it, but we were kinda like here for the beginning of it and we're like it's been such a mind fuck, honestly. Because we didn't grow up with this. We grew up with like just very simple internet, you know what I mean? Nothing crazy, and it was fun, but now like it turned into this monster, huh? AOL instant messenger. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Um so I'm constantly like I I'm fascinated by it. As much as I sometimes hate it, I am so fascinated by it. Um and I don't know why I feel like weird by being fascinated by it. But anyways, um no, uh more to that, the what I was speaking about on that video, how when I post what I want, I don't care about the views, and I've been doing that more often now. Like something that I would originally just post on my story, I've been posting it as a real now because I'm like it has bigger lifespan, you know? So I'm like, I might as well post it there. I'm like, whatever, like if 10 people will see it, like I don't care. And there's been some like something's been clicking now that I've been doing that. I'm like, oh, it's really doesn't have to be that serious. I'm like, it yeah, yeah, I'm like, okay, so I think this is what I'm supposed to be doing.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

Mm-hmm. Because then it's more sustainable, the more that we can like find ways to make it fun for us, and then like the people who are only there for like the polished perfect shit, their algorithm will just serve them that, or they can self-select out and unfollow, and it's like, you know, bring our people to us.

Fear Of Being One Thing

SPEAKER_01 23:41

Exactly. And I was um uh oh, I saw this video. I saw this video today and I reshared it, and it was talking about how like saying if you if we if I if we resonated with it, and I did resonate with it, and it was that we show up consistently and then we kind of get burnt out because we're afraid that if we keep sharing this thing, we'll be it'll become our identity, and then we'll be stuck to doing this thing over and over again. And that's been I didn't realize I realized that's been my fear that I'm like I don't want to become known for one thing because I get bored. I'm like, I'm not I was like, I don't even make the same music, I don't make the same anything. I'm like, why would I continue making the same videos? And I'm like, oh okay, this is why this has also been more fun to just post whatever because it's random. Like I don't have to commit, like, I just have to show up and be like, okay, today we're gonna talk about this, and tomorrow we'll talk about this.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

And I'm like, anyways, um what like what you're doing there is like you're building the skill of like having a fluency of an idea, turn it into a thing. Idea, turn it into a thing. And you're not being pro-I feel like when people like collect or hoard ideas and they're like, This is my best idea, I need to like do it justice. And it's like, oh babe, like nothing's gonna kill the joy and the flow, quite like sleeping on an idea until you can quote unquote do it justice. Um, oh, just like I can feel the pressure because I've been there, you know. Like, yes, and actually I don't have things like that.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

Yeah, I that I did I something else that you had mentioned on the video is that we treat ideas like they're rare when they're like a dime a dozen, you know, and that's so true. Like it it is. I I thought about that today. I'm like, hmm, like what how would I act if I knew that there was just gonna be more and more and more and more where that came from, you know?

Creativity Is Not Scarce

SPEAKER_00 25:46

It's never gonna run out. No, and you're like your best work and your best ideas are like in front of you. Like you you're gonna find them by acting on your other it's like um I think about I always go back to nature analogies, but I used to um have a garden with my kindergartners with like uh we grow zinnias, which are like really hard to kill flowers. But the thing about zinnias is the more that you cut the flowers off, the more flowers grow. And that is how creativity is, right? Like the more ideas we have and act on, the more ideas come to us. Like art begets more art. Um, but the same amount of or the same zinia bush, if you don't cut the flowers, those the ones that are in bloom will just die. And then like it won't sprout more, or it might have a couple more, but the way to really like generate new growth is by cutting it. Um, anyways, it's like the opposite because a lot in this culture there are ideas of scarcity, right? Like if I well, and it's like it's real too, right? Like we have a certain amount of time or a certain amount of funds, and we have to make choices with it, but creativity, you can get scrappy with it. You can like make art, and it's just gonna make more art. Um, the more you you use, the more you have.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

I love that. I feel like I'm never gonna forget that analogy now. I'm gonna be like, you know, I need to cut off some of these.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

Yeah, get some like because it's like that's what you're doing with your post. You like have an idea for a post or a story and you're like shooting it out there.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

Um just getting out of getting getting it out of the system and some more can regenerate for sure.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

Yeah, the other analogy is like poop. It just like you don't want to hold your poop, you want to let it go, let it pull. Yeah, that's why I call it the shitty art challenge. I am like, babe, you're constipated. Let's get some art out. Uh it's a much less beautiful analogy. I will keep that. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Sewing Dreams And Sustainable Fashion

SPEAKER_01 27:46

No, but I'm just I'm just thinking about it now because I feel like I don't know, creativity is this. I have so many ideas that I'm like, I don't even know. It's like the curse. I don't want to say the curse, but the the curse of being multidimensional is that you want to do it all, but like realistically, you you can't at the same time. So it's like, where do you go? Like, I've been being called to sew forever. Ever. And like it's funny because before I knew I was an artist, a painter, a flower crown maker, a musician. I wanted to design clo, I wanted to learn how to sew. That was like my mission. I'm gonna go take a sewing class. The first thing I wanted to do when I moved to Denver, like at 19, I'm gonna take a sewing class. I never took the sewing class. And I'm like, I know I see people online repurposing clothing, and I'm like, I wanna do that. I want to see what I can make, you know. Like I spent dying, like I feel it. It's like, please, we want to make cool clothes. Please get us a sewing machine. Like, oops, hold on, my my screen. I'm like, my hands are like begging me, like everything's begging me, but I'm like, I don't even know what sewing machine to buy, and doing research feels exhausting, and then I have to spend hours just searching, just so I can like there's so many other little steps I have to do before I can do anything.

SPEAKER_00 29:08

Yeah, okay, can we go back and forth on this? I'm like, we gotta get you sewing. Wait, are you open to an idea? Because it's like you don't need to buy a sewing machine. That yeah, that sounds like a lot right now, right? But you do need to find a friend, like find someone with a sewing machine or like a class, like there has to be something out there where you could like use a sewing machine to like learn it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

No, I was I I'm there has I think I have searched up a class here around my area, and I think I need to just commit to it because I know once I do, I I just need the guidance. Like if someone can be like, this is how you do with this, and I will get over my fear because I also have a fear. I'm like, I don't want to hurt my fingers, I don't, you know, it's a machine. Like I I'm a little I am very sensitive to machine, like I'm always scared something's gonna happen. But anyways, um like I need to get over that, and I know once I do, I will be like, okay, I know I know what I gotta do now. And yeah, you know what? That's gonna be my goal. I need I'm gonna I'm gonna book a uh sewing machine. You're gonna go to your dancing class, I'm gonna book a sewing machine.

SPEAKER_00 30:20

You have decided, so now you're like in the next few days, you're gonna see the thing that you need. It's coming to you. Um yeah, I'm like, yeah, no, let's get this girl a sewing machine. Like, and I had totally forgotten about your flower crowns. Yeah, no, I mean it's like right in there. It's like textiles and like wearable art and just like expressive magic, right? It's like you making your music videos and like getting into character and having a ball. It's um are you gonna like make costumes for yourself in the future? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

I don't know either. I I have no idea where it would take me. I just know I need to try it. Yeah, like maybe I don't even like it, but I'm like, I at least need to try it. I want to know what it like. I see it as art. Every single time I see people repurposing clothing, I'm like, that is just I I think it's so amazing, especially since we live how I really hope that as a as a society we can not lean in. We are already, but even to get the collective really to stop shopping new because we don't need any more. Like it's I um back like 10 years ago, I remember reading a statisti statistic that fashion is the second most uh pollu pollution contributor, contributor to pollution. And I'm like, why are we still making clothing? I don't understand it. Like I I worked at Macy's for a brief second, and I was so disgusted. I actually I think it's one of the reasons I quit because I was so disgusted at how much clothing we would bring in for each season, and it wasn't even beautiful clothing, it was like I feel like it was fast fa exactly fast fashion. Um just here, here's this, put this out there, even though I'm like, who the fuck is gonna buy this? I mean, I'm sure there was one person out there who was gonna buy one thing, but then you have this excess amount of clothing, and I'm like, this is this is awful. Like, what are I just anyway? So now I'm like, I would love to I think it's a law skill. I think we all we should have learned these skills at at school, like they did in the olden days, how to sew and and just make our own it's more, it's cooler, anyways.

SPEAKER_00 32:30

It's so cool, yeah. No, I definitely I like I know how to like hand stitch and like mend, but I don't know how to like make clothes, and I I would fucking love to learn how to do it, right? I have had the same thought and and just like I don't know what same thing, honestly. Maybe not quite as drawn to it, but like I want, yeah. I mean, so much ends up in a in a landfill, you're exactly right, and it's like anyway.

SPEAKER_01 32:55

Yeah, no, I'm gonna I I sometimes like you don't know how much you want something until you start talking about it, and I'm like, why are you ignoring this? Like, and it's just like then you start thinking about I've been the more I talk, the more I realize I've just been too in here, and I'm like, I just need to stop. Just do, just do and worry about the rest as it comes. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 33:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

Um but oh go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 33:23

Well, I was gonna say, like, I think that um, like for me, the thing that I've noticed between like the doing and the ideas is like like my creative blocks are really just emotional blocks. Like I'm avoiding doing because I'm avoiding whatever it's gonna bring up in me, like feeling, right? You were talking about like the sewing thing, but then I'm like afraid, right? You're afraid of like hurting your hands, and like I relate to that so hard. I'm like a neurotic little sweetie. I'm quite anxious, you know. But it's like learning how to like feel afraid or feel disappointed and not be paralyzed by it, but like move through it, right? Because emotions like they're like a wave, it washes over you, and then if you can like move through it, it like subsides. Um, and so the more we can kind of be with our feelings and move through them, I think it helps us taking action to take action and to create. Um, you know, like people talk about like, oh, I'm afraid of like wasting my material. And so it's like yeah, yeah, no, I get it. I get it. I had like a special canvas I didn't touch for like years. It was my big fancy one, you know, like oh, but it was literally like okay, I'm gonna use this, and if I'm disappointed by it, I can be with the feeling of disappointment. Just because I feel disappointed doesn't mean I'm a fucking disappointment. Like, it's just an emotion.

Final Thoughts And Goodbye

SPEAKER_01 34:48

You got so many things going off on this going off in my brain right now. I'm like, huh. Like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna leave this just in my head thinking in a good way. Um yeah, I'm gonna wrap these things wrap this up just because it's telling me I'm only four minutes left. But um, thank you so much for having this conversation with me. I really enjoyed it and I'm really excited to put it out there. Um, do you have any last thoughts?

SPEAKER_00 35:19

No, I'm just excited. I feel like um we have like I'm like see like we've followed each other online for years now, and it's so fucking fun to get to chat in real time uh and just get to know you. And I'm gonna go fucking listen to your music. I'm excited for that. Thank you for letting me come and talk. Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

Yeah, I I feel like I've already in a way have spoken to you, even though I'm like, I feel like at one point we even probably talked about doing a podcast, and it just never I don't know. I feel like we've been in a little circle for a while. So yeah, it is it's also like spontaneous, spot spontaneity sometimes is key. But yeah, I'm so thankful you you're here with me in this moment, and um yeah, uh thanks for everybody for listening. Sorry I haven't done this in a while, forgot that I have to do that. I'll see you on the next episode. Bye.