The Kathie Owen Perspective
Human Patterns. Real Leadership.
Leadership isn’t a performance problem — it’s a human one.
The Kathie Owen Perspective is a quiet, discerning look at leadership through the lens of human behavior, emotional regulation, presence, and pattern recognition. This podcast is for leaders, founders, executives, and advisors who sense that something deeper is at play in how people lead, relate, and make decisions — but haven’t had language for it.
Kathie Owen is a consultant and observer of human systems. She studies what happens beneath strategy, titles, and metrics — the unseen patterns that shape leadership outcomes, culture, trust, and power. Drawing from real-world consulting experience, executive conversations, and years of studying emotional regulation and human dynamics, Kathie offers perspective rather than prescriptions.
This is not a coaching show.
This is not motivation or hustle culture.
And it’s not therapy.
Each episode offers calm insight into:
- How leaders regulate (or don’t) under pressure
- Why capable people repeat the same patterns
- The difference between performance and presence
- How clarity emerges when noise is removed
- What real leadership looks like when no one is watching
Some episodes are reflections.
Some are observations from the field.
Some are quiet truths leaders rarely say out loud.
If you’re drawn to insight over tactics, clarity over control, and leadership that starts with self-awareness rather than force — you’re in the right place.
This is perspective — not advice.
And sometimes, perspective changes everything.
The Kathie Owen Perspective
258. Leadership Without Attachment
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Non-attachment is one of the most misunderstood principles in relationships, leadership, and life.
Many people believe non-attachment means caring less, pulling away, or becoming emotionally distant. It doesn’t.
In this episode, Kathie Owen breaks down:
– Why attachment is not the same as love
– How attachment leads to overgiving and self-abandonment
– What non-attachment actually looks like in real life
– How to love deeply without collapsing your boundaries
– Why non-attachment creates clarity, safety, and stability
This conversation applies to:
– Romantic relationships
– Parenting
– Leadership and workplace dynamics
– Anyone who struggles with overgiving or emotional responsibility
Non-attachment isn’t withdrawal.
It’s anchored presence.
It’s loving fully without betraying yourself.
Kathie Owen is a private, invitation-only consultant working with leaders and individuals around emotional regulation, boundaries, and clarity in high-pressure environments.
A companion blog post with bonus resources is available at:
https://www.kathieowen.com/blog/attachment-isnt-love
More information at Kathie's website:
https://www.kathieowen.com
One of the most common questions I get asked, and I've been asked this for years, is this, how do I not attach to something I love? How do I love my child without attachment? How do I love my partner without attachment? How do I love deeply and still practice non-attachment? And the reason this question comes up so often is because most people misunderstand what attachment actually is. Non-attachment does not mean loving less. It does not mean caring less, and it definitely does not mean pulling away from the people or things that matter to you. Non-attachment is about how you relate, not how much you love, and once you understand that everything changes in relationships in leaderships and in life. If you are new here, my name is Kathie Owen. I'm a private, invitation only consultant, and I work with leaders, teams, and individuals around emotional regulation, boundaries and clarity, especially in high pressure environments. This channel is about principles that hold up in real life. Not motivational ideas, not spiritual bypassing, but grounded practice you can actually live by. Here's the distinction most people miss. Attachment is not love. Attachment is being emotionally tied to how things should be, and attachment almost always shows up in three ways. Number one, tolerating harm. Number two, abandoning discernment. And number three, collapsing boundaries. All three come from the same place. This shouldn't be happening. That word should is where attachment lives. Think about how this shows up in everyday life. A parent who has no boundaries because they believe sacrificing themselves is love. A partner who tolerates behavior that hurts them because they're afraid of loss. A leader who over functions, over explains and absorbs emotional chaos to keep everyone comfortable. That's not love. That's attachment. And attachment always leads to self abandonment. Non-attachment does not ask you to stop loving. It asks three very specific things. Will you stop letting fear decide your posture? Will you keep your heart open without hardening or collapsing? Will you stay steady even if others don't change? Non-attachment is loving fully without betraying yourself. It's the difference between love with presence versus love with self erasure. Here's what non-attachment often looks like in real life. Someone you care about becomes uncomfortable when you stop overgiving. They may feel neglected, they may feel threatened, they may say you've changed, but what actually happened is this. You stopped abandoning yourself to regulate their emotions. Non-attachment is not withdrawal. It's anchored presence. You're still loving, you're still available. You're just no longer collapsing your boundaries to maintain an image of how things should be. There's that word should. And when you do that pattern surface. Projections appear. Oh yeah. Projections. Truth becomes very visible. That's not cruelty, that's clarity. Non-attachment is loving without abandoning discernment, safety, or boundaries, even when it would be easier to sacrifice yourself. This principle applies everywhere. First of all, in relationships, you don't disappear to keep love. You don't tolerate harm to avoid loss. In parenting, you don't confuse self-sacrifice with devotion. You model boundaries as safety, not rejection. In leadership, you don't manage emotions for others and you don't collapse clarity to keep the peace. Non-attachment creates real stability, not control, not compliance. Non-attachment is one of the three core principles I live by and I teach. Non non-attachment is the first one. Radical responsibility is the second one, and courage is the third one. These are not concepts, nor are they core values. They are standards for how you relate to people, power and pressure. I work privately with leaders and individuals who are ready to stop self abandoning and start leading and living from clarity. My work is invitation only. If this perspective resonates you can learn more about my work and read related articles on my website at www.kathieowen.com Uh, K-A-T-H-I-E is how I spell Kathie. And by the way, I will be talking about this a lot more on my channel, so be sure you subscribe so you don't miss a video from me. And I always include a blog post with every video that I do that includes bonus resources, including guess what, links to more non-attachment articles inside the article. And if you've ever wondered how to love deeply without losing yourself, this is the path, not detachment, not withdraw. Self loyal love. All right. That's my episode for today. I trust that you found it helpful. If you know someone who could benefit from this, please share it with them, and until next time, I'll see you next time.