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The Pitt - Season 2, episode 11, 5 p.m.
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Josh and Jeff analyze the latest episodes of The Pit, exploring character development, ethical dilemmas, and predictions for the season's finale. We delve into medical ethics, personal struggles, and the show's portrayal of complex issues.
Welcome everyone to Too Much TV. Today we're talking about the Pit Season 2, episode 9, 10, and 11, but mostly 11, because it just came out. And Jeff, before we got on, we were just talking about how we have like our favorite characters and how those kind of ebb and flow. And I have two characters that have gone up in my estimations just in the last three episodes or so. But I wanted to know what yours were right right about now.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Uh yeah. It's a great question, and I'm glad we're talking about it because it's going to be tough, especially over this last three episodes. Um, because we had some not so great moments for a lot of characters that we talked about in our last year.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Robbie, Robbie's fucking it up just a little bit.
SPEAKER_03Just a little bit. So let's see. I still think Whitaker.
SPEAKER_01Can you guess mine? Can you guess mine? Do you know two characters who've gone up? Like vaulted up? Yeah. And they were ones I didn't quite like before. Ogilvie has gone up for sure.
SPEAKER_03I figured that had to be because he this surprisingly, these last couple episodes, Ogilvie has been tolerable, and I would almost say he's actually improved in like his approach and his attitude pretty well. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01He's been very much humbled.
SPEAKER_03He has. He absolutely has. But I don't know if I can guess your next one. So give me Q me in or Clue Me in, sorry.
SPEAKER_01Uh McKay. Oh, okay. With the with the cancer patient. Yeah. And what really did it was the conversation with the son, the outside, where she was like, you know, you may regret this for a very, very long time. Really, really good advice. Really good advice. It's such good. But then, but then again, leaving the choice up to him. That's something that I kind of learned when I was teaching. It's like, give the child the illusion that it's their choice, even though you told them the right thing to do. And they'll nine times out of ten, they'll do it. So I thought that was very, very well done.
SPEAKER_03It's so much more impactful, right? When you make the choice yourself, even if somebody helps you get there, it sticks with you so much more, I think. I feel like, at least in my own life, that's happened to me. You know?
SPEAKER_01To come to the realization on your own. It's like, oh, they're right. This is the right choice. Yeah, absolutely. So those are my two, Ogil V and McKay. Uh, and thank God, and and I don't want to, this sounds awful, but thank God the cancer patient died. Because that was all like that. You know what I mean? It was just so sad. And it was but it was very well, well done, very well done. But it's almost like a relief. And I almost wonder if that's how the family feels in a very bizarre way. Like that it's over. Is that a bad thing to say?
SPEAKER_03Not in the slightest, dude. I think that's the whole point. That's um that's the whole point that they were the it's the um is it the man, I'm gonna script the name, but I think it's called the doctrine of double effect. That's what they kept referencing. Um it's it's Oh, pain. Right. It's essentially the the the concept that the in introducing more morphine could potentially lead to death, right? But it will also take away the pain that she's feeling. And I think the whole point of it is essentially you can do something that can potentially have bad consequences that you know may happen if the good justifies it, right? So Sure. I I've heard it referenced before in things like self-defense. Like your goal is to stop an attack. If by doing that you harm the other person, that is a predictable outcome that's bad, but it's justified, right? Right? Yeah. So this is kind of similar there. I think it she was suffering so much. I mean, she was saying to him towards the end, like, I've been in pain for a long time. This whole time. The whole time. Why didn't you tell me? Yeah. So she was, I mean, she yeah. I think that was it's very sad, and it's you know, something that you you you really you know the pain that they're feeling, but at the same time, I think you're right. There's probably some some relief on some level somewhere in there.
SPEAKER_01It was an interesting ethics question with with um Javadia and McKay. They said it felt wrong. And I I wonder if it can be both. Can it feel wrong and be the right thing to do?
SPEAKER_03I think so. I mean, it's hard to uh there's so many emotions that are that are circling around in that moment, you know, and they're in a really difficult position because they're trying to sort of facilitate the whole passing and the operation to be as smooth as possible, to be as peaceful as possible, but they also know that what they're doing, they're doctors. So their whole wiring is save a person, save a person's life, right? Keep them alive, do everything in your power to keep someone alive. And in this case, it they're kind of doing almost the opposite, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03So it's gotta be tough. And I obviously was weighing a lot on Javardi. I th I think those scenes where you saw her eyes getting teary were tough, but it also it's yeah, she's a good person, at least from from what we can see, right? She's she seems like she's got a really good heart, so it's it it's hurting.
SPEAKER_01And it I I I I don't know, man. Going into medicine, like you you see these situations so often. How do you kind of I mean it's what Robbie was telling Dr. Mohan, like you keep that shit separate, but how can you? I mean, Robbie also needs to take his own advice, but it it how do you keep those two things separate? I I don't know. I it it's it's quite commendable what they do. And yeah, that the cancer patient death, that was that was not a fun watch. I was actually surprised how quickly she died.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, well, I think that wasn't I I think it's pretty um inconsistent. It sounds like McKay wasn't anticipating it to happen that fast either. I mean, Javardi asked her, you know, how long is this gonna take? And she she doesn't know because I don't think you do. I'm sure it varies case to case. Obviously, it happened pretty quick in this one. Um But again, dude, I think to your point, wouldn't that be on some levels a little easier? Like it I know you know, they've had the time to say goodbye, and yeah, you want as much time as possible, but at the same time, it's a really difficult feeling to know that you know the inevitable is sort of coming, right? And it's like lingering on. Uh I don't know.
SPEAKER_01I wonder I wonder I wonder if there's some like psychological thing where if you've accepted your death, your own death, you you you let go. Like you almost in a weird way choose to die.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I think that's it's that's that's actually like there may be some science behind that too, right? I mean that you you hear it described as like losing the will to live. I think it's common in like very elderly couples, right? Sometimes like a partner will pass and then very quickly after, and it's almost I I think because you think about everything that our brain does to to keep us going, to keep us moving and and living every day. And then if you lose that sort of motivation, I imagine that it sort of floods your system with like, hey, let's go.
SPEAKER_01Like it's okay.
SPEAKER_03I would hope if it were me, I would hope the same thing.
SPEAKER_01And I, you know, just I I don't want to linger too much on the on the Roxy was her name, but you know, even when her very young son climbed into the bed with her, and this is a couple episodes ago, she that was painful. Getting up was painful. Your life is pain. It's a maybe this is and this is where I kind of get conflicted about like assisted suicide. They have that in some European countries. I always wonder the the ethics of that, but I guess in this case, it's it's fine. I mean, uh I don't know. And this is one of those things, and these doctors and nurses, they're making these choices like on the fly.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01They have these people's lives in their hands, and they're they just make these choices quick. Yeah. It's it's pretty astounding. Um, but continuing with McKay, she goes out into the park real quick. Was that the same unhoused woman from last season?
SPEAKER_03It it may have been. Honestly, I I don't want to say yes or no because I don't know for sure. But I would but with the way that this show is written, I would totally buy that it was.
SPEAKER_01I it's like a callback.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah. And Robbie got so pissed at her. Well, yeah. So two separate things, but let's let's stay on that for a second because you were talking about Ogilvie and how much you liked Ogilvie. Um at least he rose in your ranks. Yes. He rose in your ranks.
SPEAKER_01It's funny how like like like um Kwan, what's her name? The the Asian girl. Uh Kwan Ogilvy. Joy Joy, yes. Shit, my bad. Joy at the beginning seemed to be very sort of, you know, lethargic, like, you know, whatever, just I'm kind of here, not really all that interested. And Ogilvie was like, on it. It's this, it's this, it's that. And then he made one mistake a couple episodes ago where he pulls the glass out. And I think since then he's been like stuck almost. He's kind of rattled. He's rattled and he hasn't really found his groove back. And I think he's come to realize that there's a lot of emotion when it comes to this job, which he wasn't expecting, because I think I mentioned this before. I think Ogilvy looks or did look, and this is changing. He looks at every patient like a science project. It it's just the science, it's just the medicine. There's none of that emotional aspect. I think, you know, you know, some people say doctors kind of are emotionless, people, like, you know, some of them. So I think Ogilvie is now realizing that there's a lot more to it than just the diagnosis and the treatment. It's how he goes about it.
SPEAKER_03I was gonna say, I felt like in that scene where they're treating uh Kiki in the in the park, um you could almost watch the wheels turn in his head. Like it's almost like he's he he looks like a little kid, just a little bit, like he's learning to be compassionate. Yeah. I I know that obviously that's oversimplifying it, but it looks like you can watch it on his face, like wash over him.
SPEAKER_01Well, I had this thought that, you know, the the entire exterior is removed. The entire hospital is gone now, and they're outside in the park. And having that sort of connection to nature and that I think he has the thought that, oh my God, these people are everywhere. And we're not just gonna help them in the ER. I can help them anywhere. And, you know, McKay goes, like, hey, you could, you could volunteer. He's like, Oh yeah, maybe. And the way he says it, it's like definitely not. Like it's like, no, thank you. But maybe he's trying to come to that realization. It's very interesting that they decided to do that outside. Because I was um talking to, well, my Kiki, not the Kiki in the episode, but my Kiki, I was like, or she said, uh, this is like the first time we've been outside. Like there's a couple scenes in season one where they go outside, like outside the ambulance bay, but this is really the first time anywhere else. So maybe the end of season one when they have those beers in the park, that sort of thing. But it's really just inside the entire time. But yeah, no, Ogil V, yeah, gotten a lot better. And definitely, I think what fucked him up the most was holding the leg in the last episode in episode 10. And she's like, Did I hurt my leg? Did I break my leg? And he's like, I wouldn't say it like that. Dude, he's hilarious. I think he's so fucking funny. He's another one that's like unintentionally funny. Yeah. All right, give me your uh character rankings now. Either have gone up or gone down. Let me know.
SPEAKER_03Well, okay, yeah. So I mean, I would agree with you. Ogilvie like what he definitely rose in my rankings because of especially the last episode. I thought he had I I like the growth that his character showed. Um I think it's pretty funny. Uh, I'm gonna address Santos because I had kind of gone to bat for Santos in our last episode a little bit. And it's just very funny timing that the three episodes that we watched after recording our episode, especially um not this most recent one, but the what the two before, she has a rough showing. Um, that after I I mean, of course I said I like her for the show. I don't, it's not like I want to be her best friend and think that she's a great person, you know, as a character. Um, but these were some tough episodes for her. I felt like she really took it, she went over the line with some of those interactions with Langdon, especially while they're working, like literally operating on someone, or you know, going through procedures and she's kind of undermining him at each step or reacting in ways that are supposed to be a little provocative and and disrespectful. And it gets to the point where uh who's it, Garcia, who corrects himself she's in there with them, right? And she's like, We we have to talk about Garcia and Santos in a second. Yeah, well, yeah, we can lead into that. That's fine. Uh I just thought that those were tough scenes to watch as someone who typically does enjoy um the presence of Santos in the show. I I like her for the show. I'll say it again. I still like her for the show, but those scenes were tough to watch because I really thought she she crossed a line.
SPEAKER_01And the more we see her character, I think the more I am understanding why she is the way she is. She seems to see everything very black and white. And I mean, we saw, I mean, just that slight glimpse of her legs. Remember that scene with the with the scars? So, and and also what I will say, Santos is fantastic with children in the show. He the the black boy who comes in with the with the fingers blown off. Yeah. He she uh sits him down and is like, hey, you did really good. It it's just those little extra things that you don't have to do when you're in these positions that she does because she I think and and then I remember last season too, with the pot we remember we we talked about this, the potential um uh sexual crimes from the the father the sexual molestation from the father to the daughter. We didn't even know if that was true, and she's still so protective of children. I mean, listen, not that the others aren't, but it seems to me that she must have some sort of potential childhood trauma or some severe teenage trauma, maybe. And I think she adheres to justice in a very like cut and dry way. And Langdon, who she probably views as this good-looking white doctor, male, very successful, very smart, everyone loves him. He fucks up, pretty big, and then just comes back. I think she sees that as a complete injustice. And I I wonder if she maybe thinks that if it if that had she had done that, the penalties would have been harsher, and maybe that's part of it. I I don't know, but she seems to just be like very much like justice. Like she wants the right thing to happen all the time and doesn't quite see the like the nuances, maybe a little bit. Because I like Langdon a lot, but then again, I'm not in medicine. I don't know how serious it is to steal meds. I mean, I'm assuming it's pretty bad, but I don't really know. I I'm just not sure. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I think um I think you're right, or at least you could be right. Um, I also would say if she has dealt with some abuse in like her childhood or maybe young adulthood, sometimes a pattern of behavior that comes with that is somebody who is abusive and then comes back and apologizes for their poor behavior repeatedly. That's a great point, Jeff. That's a great point. It may be hitting her in a tough spot, like a a really deep pain that she has harbored, maybe. So she's kind of seeing that same pattern come through with Langdon and feels like, hey, you can't get away with this.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I and clearly she has some severe trust issues. Yeah. Like, well, and also, I mean, this is a weird jump, but her relationship with Garcia, the few things we've seen, she's like, hey, are we okay? She doesn't even trust her. Yeah. Like she has to, she has to seek that validation and that confirmation. So I think, dude, this is a psychologist's, you know, wet. This is a field day for them for sure. But I think, you know, do you think Al Hashimi heard her?
SPEAKER_03It seemed like the look on her face. The look on her face um was uh one of shock to me. She looked like she was startled by what she may have heard from the conversation and was kind of processing that in that moment. And yeah, I I would assume that she may have heard that because I don't I I need to re-watch it. Obviously, it's pretty fresh on both of our brains. We just watched it, but I felt like Santos was raising her voice at that point enough to the to the degree where I think Alishimi probably caught that.
SPEAKER_01And so Yeah. Do you think Langdon is going to admit the drug thing to everybody?
SPEAKER_03In that moment when we were like watching that scene, I felt like he might because I don't but I don't know. So just backing up for a second, breaking down the interaction on from his end more now. I I didn't man, I'm not sure exactly how to say this. Gut reaction from me, I didn't love the way he handled it because I felt like so. The approach? The approach. Um, I felt like he was a little bit too like justification. Like, um, you don't know what I've been through. Uh, I almost got divorced with my wife. I just I feel like almost got divorced. Yeah, I didn't I I didn't love that phrasing because it felt a little like it cheapened it a little bit. Do you know what I'm trying to say? It was a little too.
SPEAKER_01I know exactly what you're trying to say.
SPEAKER_03Hey, hey, feel bad for me a little bit. I'm a victim in this too. Yeah, and I I think that something that's really important when I mean I've never gone through like the steps like he is, where he needs to like, you know, make amends with each person and all of that. I I haven't gone through those formal steps, but I I I know that when you're trying to show remorse for something like that, it's important to make as few excuses as possible and really own your actions, really own the mistakes you made. And I felt like he he could have done a little bit better in that moment when they finally get the chance to communicate directly face to face. He could have done a little bit better. Yeah, to just because you he knew she was gonna be upset. So you gotta be prepared to take some of that force coming at you, the anger and she's she's also so aggressive. I know that's why it's so tough, man. It's tough.
SPEAKER_01So that's why he reacted the way he did. If if this had happened between any other person besides Santos with Langdon, this would be over. Yeah. This would be completely done. Like imagine if Javadti. Oh yeah. Nothing nothing. Whitaker. No. I agree. Absolutely absolutely nothing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. But that's why it's good writing, right? Because it puts these difficult situations into play and we get to watch them unfold.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Speaking of writing, what did you think of the ice thing? I thought uh listen, listen, I really, really love how the pit deals with modern problems. However, the ice thing seemed a little too on the nose. A little too I mean, the problem, I mean, listen, I don't I don't like ice. I fuck ice, ice sucks. But I sometimes wonder if it's like these shows do some moral posturing uh that's slightly too heavy-handed. But then again, in the same breath, this is what happens. Hospitals get these patients that are in ice custody. So maybe I'm just an asshole. I mean, I don't know. No, buddy, I don't think you're an asshole at all. I I don't think you're an asshole. Oh, I know. I'm just I'm just I'm playing Langdon here, buddy.
SPEAKER_03I know. I well, I'm saying I I think I had the same reaction as you when those scenes were playing out. I was sort of sitting there thinking, like, is this a little over the time?
SPEAKER_02A slight roll.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. But then I and then I think I came to the same conclusion that you probably did, like, just now as well. It I haven't seen, I haven't been in a hospital when they bring someone in like that. I haven't seen that play out in real life. Dude, it may be closer to that than I ever realized. Like it totally could, you know? I don't know. I don't, I just don't know.
SPEAKER_01You're and and yeah, maybe that's our ignorance. Uh I I think we're not gonna cover the pit after this episode until we get to the end. The let the fine. Episode. And I think what that what we'll do then is we'll we'll interview my brother and talk to him about the accuracies and inaccuracies and stuff. I think that would be a lot of fun, but we'll we'll get to that. Um I think we should talk about Mel. Okay. Because I think Mel, I love Mel, but I think she's slightly for someone who's so smart. I I think that we've seen her weakest moments here with her sister. Don't you think?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, this this she's been very vulnerable, especially in the last episode. We saw her lose her grip a little bit.
SPEAKER_01With the deposit okay, yeah. Maybe the double whammy with the deposition and the sister combined is a massive. She's just kind of lost her cool.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and this was a weird dynamic, um, especially in that scene with in the stairwell with uh with Dana. Yeah, with Dana. She she it was a weird sort of reversal. We saw at the end of season one when she's going to take care of her sister, and you you have this serious moment of respect for Mel after she's been through this incredibly traumatic day, and then she's gonna go and like be very present with her sister. Yeah, and like make it a fun time for her sister. You can tell she like really, she really cares about her, so she's gonna, even though she's out, she's gotta be exhausted, she's gonna go and be very present, like in the moment with her sister, make her sister happy, it seems like, you know. And then you have this weird switch in this latest episode and the one before, where you almost feel like, oh, it's they does Mel need her sister more than her sister needs her now? It's almost a bit of codependency. Yeah. A little bit. But she struggles with the fact that her sister is becoming more independent. Her sister is happy, she's found a boyfriend, she's gonna go watch fireworks, and Mel, who you think of as the more as the stronger, more put together, like she's she's kind of devastated that sh they're not gonna watch fireworks together.
SPEAKER_01Well, I think this is a very interesting sort of look at how people with mental disabilities can communicate sometimes. Becca isn't understanding Mel's feelings. She sees Mel as like a as a caretaker and obviously her sister and someone fun, but she also sees herself as someone who can make choices that include, I mean, consent, which is something I I wrote down. I was like, I wonder if Mel can't see Becca that way, like that she can consent. I because I was thinking the same thing. It's like, oh, is this guy taking advantage of her? But no, it's the other way around. Becca was the one who approached him. And I I originally thought maybe it was Mel being a little jealous that her sister's having sex and maybe Mel isn't, or Mel doesn't have a boyfriend. So that's what I was kind of thinking a little bit. And I wonder if there's some unsaid stuff there, maybe. But it is interesting that Mel is struggling with her sister's independence and kind of seeing her as someone who can make her own choices when for the longest time Mel has been the one making a lot of the choices and frankly completely taking care of her. And so to let go, to relinquish that control, I think can be really, really tough.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. And I think it jealousy is an interesting word there, but I don't think it's totally misplaced. Because honestly, dude, the the conversation with Dana where she's saying, like, my sister's gonna get married and I'm gonna be all alone, it it's at least at the bare minimum. I think she's afraid. It's it's like, hey, this there's this constant person in my life who I have to take care of to some degree, but it's also like I said, it's a constant, you know, she's they have extremely consistent roles in each other's lives, and they're always very involved in each other's lives, like you said, codependent to some degree. Is Mel way more dependent on her sister than we realized for keeping her company, having somebody to share the how did your day go? And and she's worried if if her sister, Becca, is is fine and happy. Does she lose some of that part of her life? Like, does she lose that connection or at least that closeness to the degree that they have it now?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And and with how Becca has behaved in these last few episodes, I sometimes wonder if Becca's not gonna understand that. Yeah. And not then correct. That's kind of the issue because it's so interesting that so when I was in fifth grade, I was a buddy to a a kid who was similar to Becca. Everything that we said to him, his name was JT, everything we said to him had to be very direct. And it it there was there couldn't be any sort of um oh, what's the word? Like sarcasm? Yes, no sarcasm. It had to be very, yeah, like I said, just direct and exactly what you meant. Like, because remember, you know, Langdon comes in and, you know, she was like, it's been more than a couple minutes. Like she doesn't quite understand that a couple minutes could be 30 minutes. But no, to her, a couple minutes is anything under five. And it's like, don't say it's a couple minutes if it's not gonna be a couple minutes. Because like it, it because in her mind, it's this is it, this is what that means. And there's no room for any sort of there's no room in the definition, I guess. So I don't know. I mean, I feel for Mel, because it's it's true. When that's your best friend, and I mean, dude, like it's it's almost like when we were kids, and you know, you have a friend, and that friend finds another friend that they like more than you and hang out with them. It hurts. Yeah, it's like what the fuck? It really hurts. It's like, yeah, dude.
SPEAKER_03I'm still here. Yeah, you're like jealous. It is. That's what I'm saying. I think jealous, jealous is not a bad word. There are some elements of jealousy in it, and it's and it's tough. I mean, it you yeah, you're right. You go through it in all different um phases of life, but I I think you're right. I think it's tough, and it's tough for Mel.
SPEAKER_01All right. Uh let's move on to let's see here. Robbie. You want to talk about Robbie? Yeah, Robbie. Go for it. Let me hear me hear let me hear your let me hear your thoughts on Robbie.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so I'm gonna this is my second um point to revisit some takes that we had in our last episode because I think it's incredibly funny that we said uh Robbie always knows what to say, or at least very a lot of the time he does. When I just love that we really were like, yeah, Robbie, Robbie, for the most part, Robbie knows what to say. He knows when to be tough on people, he knows when to give them support. We were like that, like we just fully and I mean, truthfully, we were we were sucking them off a little bit there. We were, but deservedly, because he he up until this past stretch of episodes, he really, I feel like I agree with everything we were saying. Now, these past few episodes, Robbie has struggled mightily with knowing what to say and when to say it, right? I would say he's handled some situations that given the chance to redo them, yeah, given the chance to to try them again, he would probably handle them a little bit differently if he was in a better state of mind.
SPEAKER_01I think the problem with Robbie, it's like when his stress goes up, his ability to talk to people like that goes down. And I mean, that's you gotta do both. Yeah. Because I don't know about you, in a stressful situation like that, I am extra careful with what I say to people. But I but then some people are the opposite. And clearly Robbie is. He was very harsh with Dr. Mohan, even though we don't really know. We didn't really get any more details with her panic attack, heart attack thing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, well, she did have this, I think she had some tests run, right? And they were they presented pretty normally. Yeah. So I think So he got pissed. He did. I just think there's because just because somebody's tests for maybe their heart uh appear normal, she she could be totally healthy, right? That doesn't take away the mental side of this job where there's a very real mental impact, and and things like panic attacks are extremely real. So it the him acting like just because she's dealing with an immense stress, that that means you know, these aren't this is not an appropriate response. He I just feel like he could have given a lot more credit to the fact that she is going through something very impactful in her personal life and also dealing with a very stressful real situation at work. So I just think he was unnecessarily hard there.
SPEAKER_01Don't you think that he I mean, dude, he had a panic attack last season?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. So is there a little bit of that at play here too? Is he talking to himself? I think you're right, dude. I yeah, I would say so. I mean, who hasn't in their life like gotten pissed and and it's like at themselves, and then it manifests into you lashing out when like somebody does similar behavior, then you're actually angry at yourself.
SPEAKER_01If I did this and if I can do these things where I keep the standard for myself this high, why the hell can't you? Yep. Suck it up. I have, keep that shit out there and get to work. Yep. I but then again, last season when Robbie has that panic attack, Whitaker goes in and says, Hey, are you okay? We really need you out there. But then Robbie comes in and says, get off your ass, stop feeling sorry for yourself and get to work. Yeah. And it's just like completely different approaches. Well, I then I wonder if like Al Hashimi is kind of like the angel on his shoulder a little bit this season. Like, hey, you know, when are you gonna get some little empathy back here? When are you gonna kind of make up for this? She's been very interesting this season, too, with him, where she is kind of telling him a lot like, dude, like it's okay. Like, talk to these people.
SPEAKER_03Hey, you want to talk about people who have popped who've gone up in my ratings? Al Hashima has I think she's been great over the last couple episodes. She just she calmed down a little bit. She brought a yeah, she calmed down. She brought uh like in a very stressful situation where I would have thought, like in the blackout, you know, when they're facing the cyber attack, and she's comes in, you know, she's bringing in the AI systems, and we talked about the fact that she's trying to make everything more efficient and like bring it up to speed. She actually handled the fact they went down like really well. She was great under pressure there. She also was did that fucking kick-ass whatever operational. Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, uh yeah, they wasn't a little cheesy with the way that they did that, but I don't care. That was, I'm sure that looked. I mean, dude, you're basically like every time they do this stuff where you're like operating on somebody's fucking neck and like right around the same place where you it looks like everybody like gets their throat slit. I mean, you know how many vital like arteries and everything is just like right here, and they're doing these like intense procedures where they're slicing that part open. I dude, that that is wild.
SPEAKER_01For those who can't see the video, Jeff is massaging his neck for me.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah, all over the place. Just just up and yeah, up and down. But uh, you know what it reminded me of, actually, dude? Uh, the way that she reacted to Garcia saying, like, did you use a what a meat cleaver or whatever she was giving her shit for the way that she did it? Um, she said, like, or maybe they'll thank us for saving his life, which was very Robbie-like to me from season one. Big time. Right? Didn't you see a little bit of that same? And he you kind of see it on his face too.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. He just smirks. It's like, yeah. So, okay, let's I I I love all of this. Let's make a few predictions here because I think the biggest thing, obviously, it's I mean, it's everyone's shift, but it's Robbie's shift. That's really the center here. It's Robbie's shift. Obviously, we talked about how he came in on the motorcycle at the beginning of this season. No helmet. Now we have his friend Duke in here who's sick. Clearly, there's something very wrong with him. And, you know, Robbie says, Oh, I've got two hours left of my shift. Bro, there's 15 episodes. This is episode 11. We got four hours left. So clearly, something is gonna happen. What else could happen? Like, ca it because obviously last season they had that the mass casualty. But what's gonna happen? Like, I can't, I maybe I need to go back and rewatch the trailer for the whole season because maybe there's gonna be something extra there. But I don't really know what's gonna happen. And I'm wondering if you have any predictions.
SPEAKER_03Dude, I don't know. I don't know if we're gonna get more of the stuff with ice, like if we're gonna get more repercussions of that, like, and try to like navigate that situation, if that's the direction they're trying to point us because of this most recent episode. Like, are we gonna continue to have the impact of their presence in the hospital? To, you know, is that where the direction we're going? It does feel like at this point where we are now, we've already kind of hit multiple like big events. The cyber attack, the collapse at the water, like water park, ice coming in. Like we've hit this season where sort of in contrast to last season, where it felt like there was a singular large event that really like the the the the second half of the season centered around that. This we're getting more um like multiple large events. And I don't know, I don't know where it's gonna go. I don't know if there's gonna be more, you know, are we gonna get some more like that?
SPEAKER_01Well, if it's the fourth of July, I wonder, and if if their shift ends at what I mean, what was the time for this one? Do you remember? Was it 7 p.m.? Was it later? Yeah, it's 5 p.m. It's 5 p.m. 5 p.m. Oh yeah, okay, never mind. Because then if their shift ends at 7, I was like, oh, maybe something like fireworks. Yeah. Fireworks don't happen until sundown around nine anyway. So I I mean, dude, I have no idea. I really have no idea. I I love and I hate how they end every episode because it just ends.
SPEAKER_03Like it's we did, yeah, but your prediction is uh is the charge nurse. Is she gonna be all right? You think the headlock?
SPEAKER_01She'll be fine. They're gonna be all right. They'll rescue her, it's gonna be fine. Like it's well, it's just like dude, the the last episode with Roxy getting the morphine, it was just like, yeah, here it comes. End of the episode. Yeah. I'm like, dude, what the fuck, man? Yeah, it always leaves you wanting more. It's it's I really like what we talked about before when we said it's one of those shows that you don't necessarily look forward to watching it, but the second it starts, you're so invested. Yeah. It's an odd, it's an odd beast when it comes to that. It is. Because it was exciting. We're recording this right after the episode. So it was exciting to be like, oh, hey, it's nine o'clock. Let's get started. I yeah, 15 episodes.
SPEAKER_03Oh, go ahead. No, sorry. We were doing predictions and I I wanted to address something that I because I wanted to get your opinion on it real quick. Yeah, go for it. Uh there's been fan theories like circulating about Abbott thinking that um Robbie is potentially like suicidal or like depressed.
SPEAKER_01Well, I think we've seen I think we we touched on this last episode a little bit.
SPEAKER_03What did we got a big scene where it was like, right? Didn't he talk to him?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like uh I actually wrote it down. Uh what did he say? He said, if it's dark, call me. And I j I wonder if Abbott and and and uh Robbie are closer than we think. Like they're they're friends outside of work. Yeah. I mean, even that interaction or like coworker friends, like really good coworker friends, I think so where you see them outside of work.
SPEAKER_03I think so. I think you're right. I think Abbott knows more of Robbie's struggles than we realized initially. Um do you, I guess in terms of predictions, do you think they'll do anything with that? Do you think like we would see Robbie have something like that happen, or what do you think? Do you think they won't go that far?
SPEAKER_01I think we're going to see some sort of addressment or some something with Robbie's mental health. We're gonna hear something about it. He's not gonna do his bike trip, and I think Duke is gonna say, like, it it the the the diagnosis for Duke is gonna be bad. And I think because of that, Robbie's not gonna do what he was gonna do. Like that trip, I think. And I I think he's just gonna No, I don't think he's suicidal. I just think he he is looking for some answers, maybe.
SPEAKER_03I don't yeah, I don't I don't know that I would say he's suicidal either. I've heard that people think he might be like a jay that like adjacent to that. So like taking this trip after he's exhausted, and we see him like riding without a helmet, right? So it's almost like maybe reckless. Yeah, reckless. It's reckless. That's what I'm looking for. It's it's it's like, okay, I'm not gonna actively do anything to myself like that, but if shit happens, maybe it's kind of like a thrill thing, though, for him.
SPEAKER_01Do you know what I mean? Maybe. Maybe you're right. Like it's like you gotta chase something, get some sort of adrenaline pump in. Because I think when you work in this environment, I think it can drag you down. It can really drag you down. And we see it with Robbie. I mean, clearly we talk about how he's not been as consistent with how he communicates to people these last couple episodes, because it's really dragging them down. I wonder if that whole trip is is that that sort of escape, sort of that, that thrill. Um but I yeah, I think with Robbie, I think we're gonna get some sort of addressing of his of his mental health. And I and I if if I were a betting man, I think it's gonna be with Langdon. Potentially.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I like that, dude. I like that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Or maybe a chance for them to come back together on some level.
SPEAKER_01Like Langdon is the one to catch him. Maybe that, or it's an Al Hashimi one, and then he realizes he needs to bury the hatchet with Langdon. Like it's gonna be one of those sorts of things, I think. So yeah, I'm I'm I'm very excited. But I think we're gonna do the end of the season. We're gonna do the last few episodes. Because I think episode by episode, I think, can get kind of you lose yourself because there's just so many different things. I think doing a big, a bulk one would be better. But um yeah, any any any final thoughts, Jeff?
SPEAKER_03No, no, I'm I mean, excited's a funny word for it, but I'm I'm very interested to see how they do these final few episodes. Um very entertaining TV. Yeah, it it absolutely is. And I think I'm riding with you. I'm I'm gonna place my final bet as Langdon is the one to help Robbie. Like I think Robbie breaks down, Langdon is the one to like catch him as he falls. That's my that's my official bet. I'm putting it in. That's my final thought.
SPEAKER_01Okay. I'll I'll join you on that bet. Uh with with a side bet, what do they call that? Parlays? Yeah. Uh with Al Hashimi. Nice. Okay. All right. Lock it in. All right. Well, this has been Too Much TV. Bye.