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The Boys - Season 5 ep 4-5.
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Join us as we analyze episodes four and five of The Boys, exploring character development, plot twists, and thematic symbolism. We discuss the show's narrative choices, character arcs, and the implications for the upcoming episodes.
Hello, everybody. Welcome to Too Much TV. Today we're talking about the boys, episodes four and five. And I have to admit, I'm pretty sad that there's gonna there's only three left. Um, but Jeff, what did you think of these last two episodes?
SPEAKER_02All right, yeah, so uh huh. Um I'm gonna say something about episode four, and it doesn't take away from how much I like this show. I love this show. Sure. Uh but I didn't really give a fuck about episode four. Episode four kind of felt like a filler episode to me. Like one to uh haunted house where there was like a ghoul and his whole thing was driving them crazy. But we all everybody watching knew that none of them were really gonna kill each other. That's what I'm saying. Like, yeah, okay. Haunted house. They go through a little chasey chase, and that's it. And then I also didn't really give that much of a fuck about Starlight's like family thing. And usually like the dad thing, dude. It's just like, yeah, whatever. I don't know. I I I didn't I that's just me and I understand that I may be going out on a limb there.
SPEAKER_00I just watched that one and I was like that's one of those like nondescript episodes. Yeah. Like something you're what if you're re-watched The Boys, you will have forgotten that episode.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Yes. And I like the good news, we're not gonna jump ahead, but the good news I will say is I felt like they they saved it up, at least for what I enjoyed, to fully the other end of the spectrum for the next episode. Like I loved what they did in five. So that's what I'm saying. I still absolutely love the show, and and I think it it does happen even in the best of shows. There are episodes that are a little forgettable for you know some of the audience. That's me, for four. I just didn't it didn't hit with me. But let's talk about it. Did you like it?
SPEAKER_00I it was yeah, I agree with you on a lot of your takes, but I also I liked it. I liked what it did. I guess how do I explain this? Sometimes if an episode isn't amazing, I can see why it's in the season. For this, the the idea that the the the soup that's stuck in Fort Harmony, where they went, his power is is to kind of make every living thing around more hateful. I thought that was very, very I think that's a cool little thing. And and it then causes the boys, uh, Butcher, MM, Huey, Frenchie, Kimiko, all of them, to start sharing legitimate grievances about each other and everyone's thoughts. Like fuck you, I hate you, no one listens to me. It's it's both insecurities of themselves and anger at everyone else. And I think it's a good way of letting that air out as the stakes get higher, as we get closer to the ending. I think it was necessary for the show in general to do something like that. But I think you're right. Overall, the fourth episode didn't really, it was a lot of character stuff. It was just character stuff. There wasn't anything crazy exceptional about it.
SPEAKER_02Right. I I actually I agree with what you said. There were probably some social dynamic progression, like that there was some social dynamic progression that they needed to do within the group. Like you said, it's kind of airing those grievances, like getting some of the stuff out in the open that everyone watching kind of knows is going on between the different characters in their sort of core group, but they don't say it because they can't a lot of the time. But this power that the guy stuck there had kind of forced it out of them. I I get it. I get it. And it I guess I I just for me, a big part of watching the show, and this is part of why I loved Five, is not knowing it's kind of what we talked about already, not knowing if somebody's gonna make it out of a scene or like you know, that like that that weight and the risk, like the tension, the tension of wondering like, is this person gonna survive? And I just felt like in that little haunted house thing, that's why I keep calling it a haunted house, because I was like, it all just felt kind of like fake-ish. Like, I know they're gonna make it out of this, they're not gonna kill each other.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I know it it it's it it it was like an action scene to have an action scene, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, they it was cool because uh Kimiko is always awesome in the action scenes, like she's she's great in all the fighting scenes, even going against like Butcher and stuff. Like those were some really good action scenes, but it didn't feel like there was a lot of weight behind it because it was just like they're gonna beat each other up a little bit here, and then probably gonna be I like I liked how Frenchie was not affected by it because he has done so many drugs in his life that it doesn't affect his brain.
SPEAKER_00And it's just also again, we talked about the absurdity of the boys. That's just one of those things where he's like, Oh, Frenchie's immune because he's a recovering heavy drug user, and it's like, oh yeah, that makes sense. Sure.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. That was a it was a funny twist on it. I think they needed to have somebody kind of keep their head through it, so it was a nice way to bring that in to balance it, to balance it out. You gotta have somebody who kind of can, yeah, keep things moving forward, and it felt like that's what they did with Frenchie. I also in that same scene, we've got Soldier Boy trapping Homelander in the vault, in like the soup proof vault. Um what was he being exposed to? Like uh enriched uranium or something, radiation. Um, and that was a cool concept, but again, I guess that further goes towards what I was saying before. It's like we knew Homelander was gonna make it out of the dang thing, it's just gonna slow him down. So, you know, it was like and then what was weird to me, dude. I don't know if you like feel this sometimes, Josh, is like a scene like that happens, and then in the next episode, it's almost like in a sitcom when it's just forgotten. It was like there Soldier Boy and Homelander were just like good again.
SPEAKER_00Like, even though I think well, their their relationship is perverse. It's a very uncomfortable, strange, sadistic relationship. And I wonder, though, if maybe Soldier Boy explains the whole hatred thing or or there's something there behind the scenes. But they do mention it in the fifth episode where he's like, I don't quite, I don't trust you to interrogate Stan Edgar. You you locked me in this thing. But I I I think a part of me thinks that Homelander gets the game that Soldier Boy's playing. Like they're both fighting for you know, top dog, as they would probably put it. So maybe in a way, Homelander kind of respects it because that's maybe what he would do. Yeah. And then also, I mean, we talked about Homelander, he's so desperate for a father figure. He is, yeah. Yeah. That he's gonna let his daddy punish him like that in a very strange way. Yeah. So I but I agree with you, and it does have that sitcom element that's oh, it's just kind of forgotten. You are right. I was watching the whole episode and I and I didn't feel like there was anything really at stake. The only thing I would say, I thought maybe um Starlight's dad was gonna die, or like when the officer comes over and is like, hey, I heard a tip that Starlight's here. I thought maybe they would do the predictable thing, but they didn't. And I thought that I thought that worked very well. But you said you didn't really care about that storyline.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, dude, I don't know, man. I like I'm not trying to hate on the show because again, I love it, but it's just like critical. No, I was just like, I was watching and it was like, I just met, like, I know we've mentioned Starlight's dad before, and there's some trauma there, so I understand that that was again kind of like a little bit of character development, moving that forward. And she obviously did learn something from that whole interaction that she had with her well extended family, her second family, you know, to go back to Huey, right? And like so that was important. It was needed, like you said, it it the episode was fine to belong in the show because it did move certain things forward, but it that's all it felt like to me was just like, okay, we're kind of watching, you know, a little bit of progression here. Obviously, Starlight was always gonna go back, but that's what I'm saying. Oh, she was always gonna go back to the group, right? There was no world in which she didn't go back to the group. So all we kind of I felt like we got from that father scene was like a kind of a reason for her to go back and not give up on the people she loves or whatever he says to her. It's like yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_00I thought the father was actually a pretty cool dude. I thought he would be some kind of piece of shit, like leaving her behind, abandoning her. But her reasoning or his reasoning for abandoning them was I I was listening to that whole thing. I was like, oh my god, he might be right. Like he wasn't an asshole at all. He was very caring when she was there. He's and you know what, dude? And I love this, it wasn't this overblown emotional scene. He just says, I'm I'm sorry, and that's it. Yeah, like he was kind of forced into that situation and he had to make a very tough choice. Um, no, I I I I know what you mean though, that this was like a filler episode, and I get it, but don't you think that this episode was necessary to happen for then f the episode five to get in there? Do you know what I mean? Like it need we need these types of episodes, even if they're not the most exciting.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, we do, we do. I think that's what makes it tough about being released like week by week, too, is like for for that week we just had four, which is always tough, you know, if you're not like binging a show. If you're binging it, say you just watched one through five, who cares? Four is fine because it moved the plot forward and yeah, and it was kind of I thought it was kind of fun.
SPEAKER_00Like it was fine. It's fun, it's fun, fun enough. You know, but nothing really essential, but fun.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, nothing essential. But when you just have that one episode for the week, I end up feeling like uh come on, just get us to next week. Like I'm ready for come on, give me give me a big one. And that was what five did. Like five delivered over the top two. Do you wanna uh you wanna move on to five? Yeah, more than anything else in the world. Yes. Let's go for it. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_00So you I loved five. I thought five episode five, if I were to give it like a rating out of ten, like a nine out of ten, it was very good. Yeah. Yeah, I mean not going nine, five.
SPEAKER_02Like it was a great, that was a great all-around. I'm a sucker. I'm dude. Can I just say real quick, I'm such a big sucker for the multiple perspective thing that like TV shows or movies do. I just love when you build a scene through the perspective of different characters, like one by one. I love that.
SPEAKER_00And with like some time jumps and a bit of like, why is why am I feeling like this? Because you know, we get the beginning with Firecracker, and she looks at her phone and it's just a miss call from Florida, and you're like, oh, who what maybe it's one of those spam calls. And then you find out it's actually her pastor that she says on TV, she insinuates molested her, or or or no, she insinuates that he was doing that to other children and stuff. And it was this strange thing, because you know, when we when we see the news and it's some you know priest gets you know in trouble for this sort of stuff, we just kind of assume it. But in this, it was the opposite. It he didn't do it, he was a really good guy. And how how the church the church in our society, I would argue, is very controversial. I mean, you know, but in here it seems that the church is this pure place to go. And I think that's a very cool in and interesting contrast because you know they want to make their own church. What is it called? The Democratic Church of America, by the way, a great name. Like it definitely works. It definitely works. But um it no, I really liked the the switching of perspective because you also had what was that, the dog terror? Terror. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02We got a couple good ones there. We got terror, we had Black Noir, um, Firecracker, like that's her name, right? Firecracker? Why did that be like? Yeah, thank you. By the way, by the way, before we jump from Firecracker, I thought that was maybe her best scene in the show uh when she is one on the pastor? No, on the on when she's making the announcement. Um like oh dude. Yeah. That that the actress, I gotta look up her name. Uh, I usually have them in front of me here, but she, man, yeah, please, please get it. She, I just want to give her some flowers here real quick because that scene for a show that doesn't like I wouldn't say it's a heavily like emotional show, like it's not showing like deep emotion a lot of the time. That scene where she was kind of in the process of realizing, okay, I'm gonna go through with this. I'm going to say these things about my former church, who she you could tell she like which pretty much saved her as a kid, it sounded like she was you know struggling and and he helped her.
SPEAKER_00Was it mac and cheese Fridays or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fish Fry Fridays. Um Mac, what the fuck? Yeah. No, yeah, yeah. Fish Fry Friday. Yeah, it makes more sense. Mac and Cheese Fridays.
SPEAKER_02Um, but she like that that scene where she's making the announcement and and I mean the tear runs down her face, but even before then, the the mixed emotion on her face, like the trembling, she's repeating what she's saying because you can't quite get it out. I thought that was probably the best scene that that actress had in the show. And it's incredible the way that they did it with it being, spoiler guys, her final episode, assuming.
SPEAKER_00So why do you think she did it? Do you think she's like stuck or she's she's in too deep? Yeah, so can I or she's scared of Homelander or uh or an amalgamation of all of it?
SPEAKER_02I would say some of some of all of it. You know what it really reminded me of, and I'd I'd love to get your opinion on this, it it kind of reminded me of when you see like a cult depicted. Uh, because a lot of the shows kind of has like cultish overtones, right? Anyway. For sure. And it's kind of like when you it it's I've never been in a cult, but I have watched some shows where people talk about being in them, and it kind of sounds like sometimes when you first when they first like bring you in, when you first get in, it everything seems like really positive and really appealing. And then as things kind of progress and go on, you kind of get exposed to more and more maybe like radical ideas or things that but you've grown to know and trust some of these people. And I feel like that's what's going on with her almost. It's like, okay, she's gotten in kind of deep with like the Homelander crew, uh Homelander himself, and now it's really going against a lot of what she's grown up believing, and she doesn't quite know, like she she I think you're right, she's afraid of Homelander, but how far does she push herself to throw away the things publicly that she has loved for so long? And you know, she's struggling with that as she's making the announcement, but she chooses to go with Homelander, right? I mean, she chooses effectively, she trashes the church.
SPEAKER_00And I really like your comparison to cults because you're right. At first, it's like, oh yeah, this is great. But then, but then I mean, this kind of reminds me a little bit like like uh like Nazi Germany. Because at first, like the first step, it's like okay, it's not that bad. And then all of a sudden you're at the Holocaust at the end, and you're like, whoa. And it people forget that these things take years. Firecracker's been in the show for two seasons now. I think she was introduced in season three. So she like at the beginning, she was probably like, Yeah, I agree with all this stuff, but now when it's so far down the path, she's even her, even she who she was all about the propaganda, she was all about everything. Now she's like, Homeland, there's not God.
SPEAKER_02Right? Yeah, man. I think you're right. I think she's still, I mean, you can tell from all the hesitation and little breaks in her speech and stuff like that. Even when she's talking to him, you can tell she doesn't really believe it in her heart, but she's the one pushing it. So that's what's kind of a crazy concept, right? She's in the media driving these campaigns, yet she herself, you can tell, is like really struggling internally with what she believes.
SPEAKER_00Dude, she's she's just Megan Kelly, is is who she is. But dude, yeah, you were right about the acting, the subtleties in her face, the one tier. It's it's really good. Yeah. And it it's it's it's uh it's a little heartbreaking. We could let's jump ahead here, because you know, she obviously she dies. We're still on Firecracker. I just had to re-watch the scene before uh before we started recording, because I wanted to kind of figure out at what point her life is done. And I I had a tough time trying to figure it out because she tells the truth to Homelander a little bit. And she says, you know, everyone here is scared of you, which is the truth, but then she lies about her faith in him, like the heartbeat, you know, she he's like your heart is beating like a hummingbird. And then I really love this too. That little Jesus figurine that she had, she literally throws in the trash. She chooses to betray her faith and to but and then to lie about having faith in this one. And I thought maybe that's what killed her, but I think what kills her is the line she has right before Homelander kills her. And uh she says, Doesn't everyone need a little love, even God? And if you look at his acting too, the subtleties in his face just change a little bit. Because I think I think because that it means that Firecracker, Homelander doesn't understand what it means, like what God is, and like the that love that you're supposed to get. And she he thinks that this God is can do anything he wants and is all powerful, all that stuff. Nothing about love, right? So I think Homelander then thinks that Firecracker is still mentioning the old God and not him. Yes, dude. Do you see where I'm going for with here?
SPEAKER_02100%. And I think you're right. Even if you if you go back earlier in the episode to when he's speaking to you, just gave me his name. Sorry, who's the religious um soup who Oh Father. Oh father, thank you. Oh father, great, great name, like you said. Great name. When he's talking to him, isn't he is he the one who's who says to him in the meeting beforehand, they're like, a lot of people think of sort of it's it's one being, like it's it's Jesus and God, like one entity, right? Yeah. He's like, that's confusing. That's can but doesn't he say that's confusing? He's like, all right, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00He's like, that's too much.
SPEAKER_02I don't know if and I almost feel like what you're saying may be exactly right because she may be saying it like even God needs love, referring to him in her little speech there, but he's like kind of disconnecting that and thinking that she's talking about God, like because he's thinking of himself as this sort of Jesus figure, and he's like, Oh, you know, and then and then kills her.
SPEAKER_00But but I also I also don't think Homelander understands any of this. No, dude, no, none of it.
SPEAKER_02I mean, his at this point his his whole thought process is pretty deranged, like in in all kinds of different ways. So yeah, I I think you're right. I think you could that you could be spot on. And I act when I watched the scene, I thought the same thing. It was like, does he not even realize that she could be referring to him as God? But I also just think he's in that he's he's so you know messed up in the head at this point that I'm gonna do once Homelander's not reading history or theology.
SPEAKER_00You know, he's not trying to understand any of these things. I one more thing about her death that I that I thought was amazing and and a great metaphor. He bashes her head in to the side of a like a bronze eagle.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So if we're looking at it as you know, the eagle is a representation of the United States, she died upon the wings of that. And her bolstering up Vaught and trying to make America into this different thing, yeah, it kills her. Uh-huh. It's a really, really cool metaphor and not super subtle, but I I you know, I think some people, if you're not super media literate, I could see some people not getting that and it flying over their head. But I I thought that was a really, really cool small little wink that she she died on the wings of her of her rise, I guess. It was so good.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, that was perfect. I thought that was great. And the fact that they kind of hang on that shot too, as you know, as this the episode is is concluding, they kind of hang on the shot of her on the eagle there. Yeah, oh yeah. Come on, maybe.
SPEAKER_00I'm gonna miss her as a character. She was great. I mean, we only have three episodes left, but I am going to miss. She she gave a very cool, like, small town media perspective. And uh it it really helped three-dimensionalize the show. I really did like her character, but you know, she's one of we didn't even talk about if she was gonna die. Our prediction last week when we talked about who was gonna live or die, we didn't talk about her.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I would have been pretty 50-50 on her, but but honestly, she just I think she was too close, too involved in the game. Like I did, I I probably would have leaned her dying. So just because I think, you know, it's like one of those doomed characters that just gets in too deep with I mean a homelander. Like, she's too close to Homelander, and the fact that she was also sleeping with Soldier Boy. It's messy. Yeah, that was gonna be a volatile situation either way, so it doesn't surprise me.
SPEAKER_00Let's move on to the deep. Yeah. I don't know if it's he's still your favorite character. Dude, he's yeah, come on.
SPEAKER_02No, I I don't care. Still, yes, dude, because honestly, like what a pr what a douchebag.
SPEAKER_00He's a complete fucking asshole.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he is. God he is, he is, but he's it. I mean, again, I still laugh almost every single time he's on the screen. Like there were multiple even in that um in that opening scene, the religious scene where they're talking about like they were. Religious propaganda and stuff, and he's like reacting to it. Um, he's like, Oh, it's so dope, bro. Like he he's got the lines, and then the podcast scene after that with Oh Father, and like he says, Josh, he says the line totes my goats, which I think I said in high school, like and he just he just lets it roll. Like he's the delivery. That's so serious. Yeah, like his character's still awesome to me. Yeah, I mean, he's got a pretty dark side, but we've always kind of known that he's been a fucking douche even from the beginning. Remember, he was like, yeah, like he the stuff with Starlight way back in the beginning. Like he's a dick. He is a dick.
SPEAKER_00He has no morals, no, and he's a fucking idiot. And he's a sellout, and he's a pussy. It's like he's a he's just this, but for some reason it works so well. Yeah. I really like his relationship with Black Noir. We talked last week about like the comics and like how it's different. Black Noir doesn't say anything in the comics until like the last, like very last scene. So not no spoilers. So Black Noir's character is totally different in the comics than now. But I do like his reverse, he's he also seems to be like a pretty good dude.
SPEAKER_02Like this new replacement one. Yeah, I think he's just a normal good guy, or at least, I mean, as good as you can be being involved with these people.
SPEAKER_00But like he obviously power.
SPEAKER_02Like Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't know. I'm not really sure if this guy has one or if he's just literally playing the part of white or it's like a shitty ninja.
SPEAKER_00Like, I don't know. But it god, it was so bizarre watching him go to like theater rehearsal because with that wash up, washed up director from the last few seasons who did like those those superhero movies, Dawn of the Seven. It I really do again mentioning just how the boys is so tongue-in-cheek, it's kind of it's poking fun at DC a little bit and Marvel, just being like, guys, this is pretty easy shit to kind of make up. You know, but no, I I did like it a lot. But yeah, that guy, the the the director, bro. His death is I we hadn't seen anything pretty disgusting yet this season. That was that was foul. That was absolutely foul. He's sitting on the toilet and an eel goes up his ass and kills him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What what were his last words? Go ahead, Jeff. Like that's the last things that he said, dude. It it's again one of those things. Like, if you're in a writer's room writing this show, it's just like you can write whatever you want. It's just like, but yeah, what the fuck is this? Yeah, it's so dumb, it's so stupid. Uh fantastic. And I mean, the dude, the deep is an asshole. Also, I the logistics of getting a deep uh an eel up a toilet. I I mean, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02That's why the deep is my favorite character, dude. He's creative. He may be an idiot, but he's got some creativity too.
SPEAKER_00I mean, that's my prediction has changed.
SPEAKER_02He's definitely dead. The deep is I think so too. I think you're right. I'm I'm with you there. I don't know if I said he was gonna live or die in the last episode, but I think that's a good idea.
SPEAKER_00If he had just stayed, you see we both said he was gonna stay alive. Yeah, if he remains just a I thought he would stay alive if he remained like a bumbling idiot. Yeah, but he's getting too dark. Yeah, now he's just an asshole. And it's it's pretty bad just to ruin this guy's theater practice after a very emotional scene. Like it was like a very nice scene with with Black Noir and the director. It's like, hey, I believe in you. We're gonna do great things. This is gonna be awesome. Very sincere and very genuine. Not two things you can really say about the boys very often. Yeah, but did did that not cue you?
SPEAKER_02I was like, okay, with this that like that that uh sentimental music playing in the background, it was almost too much, like, okay, here we go. I felt like I was getting teed up, you know. It was just like, all right, and here comes the the knockout. Like and he's dead. Yeah. Because this stuff does not last in the boys for more than five minutes. Like, no, no, just gone, dead, out of the way. In the most just like violent, disgusting, awful way possible.
SPEAKER_00So bad, dude. So bad. But good things don't last in the boys, bro. No, definitely not. Um all right, let's move on to let's do Sage's Sage real quick and Ashley, and then we'll move on to the end of the episode, and then we'll we'll call it there. Because I really liked, I mean, the ending is amazing, but we'll get there. But I really like Sage's reason for why she wants the virus. She is the smartest woman on the planet, and she wants humans and superheroes to kill each other so she can sit alone somewhere and just read for the rest of her life. Yeah. And I was like, that is such that's so in character. Yeah. That she just wants to be who she is by the most intelligent woman in the world or person in the world, and she wants to spend the rest of her life reading. Of course it's great. This whole thing is just for her to get peace and quiet. She'll end the world just so everyone shuts up and she can read a book. I I thought that was amazing, and I thought that fit perfectly.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, it does. It does fit with their character really well. It reminded me, did you ever remember that show The Twilight Zone? It was like was big probably before both of you and I were born. Yeah, I never watched it, but I've heard of it. There's an episode where I think all a guy wants is to be able to like sit alone and read forever. Like he has books, and then I think he breaks his glasses at the end of the episode, so he can't read anymore. And it's like, okay. But that's very, yeah. It is like for her character, it's like it's spot on because she is so brilliant. And it's it's funny watching her like talk to Ashley, and obviously Ashley has picked up on her methods at this point. Like, Ashley knows that she's only bringing certain things up to get what she wants out of the conversation. But it's funny because even even knowing that about her character, she's still very charming. She's good, she's so brilliant. Stage. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, we talked last episode about that like emotional intelligence that she also has. She's able to kind of swoon her way into what she wants. She knows the right things to say. But you're right, Ashley's not stupid. So she has some like smart, like, okay, you're you're clearly messing with me, or you're trying to get something out of me.
SPEAKER_02Well, and the Voldemort in the back of her head may even be smarter, right? It seems like her and Sage, the the back of the head, the tumor is like Well, the tumor, so the tumor's psychic.
SPEAKER_00The tumor can read thoughts. Right. So it's there, I it's a cool combination with Ashley and Sage because they're like a a team that's perfect. Yeah. Because Sage needs Ashley's superpower reading minds to get really what she wants. Yeah. I do you think that Sage was serious about like, hey, you can join me in the bunker as like a friend?
SPEAKER_02No. No, you know. You don't think so? Oh sure. I thought it was No, but I I that's just my I I mean, I'm I'm looking at the show from a very cynical lens. I just don't really trust Sage to me is a and I don't know if we talked about Sage. Maybe we did when they when we talked about our live or die people. Sage is a really she's a really tough one for me because I feel like every time I watch a scene with Sage, I feel like she's one step or maybe multiple steps ahead of everyone else in the scene. So I really don't know what they're gonna do with her. Like they could either have things fall apart for her and she, you know, is finally like she can't think ahead fast enough to get and she ends up getting trapped, or maybe she is somebody who gets to do what she wants at the end and like just goes and fucks off and gets out of there.
SPEAKER_00I don't know. I think what would be the most likely way she dies is she dies on accident because she can think about every possible scenario and manipulate it all to her benefit, but maybe she walks outside and she's just like, I'm getting away, and then a concrete slab lands on her and kills her. Like it's a completely nothing she could ever predict. No, it's it's it just is this unbelievable chance thing that you can't logically think your way out of that that will kill her. I can see that. We'll see, but I can also see her getting what she wants. I I really don't know how this is gonna end because we have the V1 and the virus. I have a thought that the V1 may become the virus, like it's not gonna work, it's gonna be too old. You know, like some or like when it mixes with the virus. I I I don't know, but it feels like some massive chemical or biological weapon is gonna come out of this. I have no clue how it's gonna work, or or or maybe maybe Homelander takes it in like the the last episode. He gets it and he injects himself right in front of Butcher or something, and he turns into this like massive monstrosity. I I have no clue how this is gonna go, bro. I have no idea.
SPEAKER_02I don't know either. You want to talk about the end though? You want to talk about sort of the before the scene before Firecracker?
SPEAKER_00So so Soldier Boy and Homelander go to LA to what's this guy's name? Mr. Marathon. He's the A-train before A-Train, but then he loses a race to A-Train and he gets replaced. It's like we can't have the second fastest man in the seven. Hilarious. It's great because they had so I didn't know Seth Rogan is an executive producer on the show. Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. That's that's so he's been behind the scenes this whole time. Yeah, so it's him, Will Forte, Christopher Minz Plaza, um Camille. Who's the other Giani?
SPEAKER_02I always have a tough time with his name, but yeah, that's it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I can't pronounce his name either. And then uh Craig, Craig Robinson, yeah, are all there like what, playing poker? And they're also such slimy pieces of shit. Yeah. They're like, oh, can we can we turn in this other actor so I can get this role? I really love how much that they make fun of actors just being sacks of shit. It's so good. But they try to take down Homelander. What is it? Malchemical is one of the other into his face.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, who's got, I guess, like a gas breath power.
SPEAKER_00I don't know. He's powerful. Dude's something, man. These powers are they're demented, but knocks out Homelander for a second, and Soldier Boy's like, hey, if anyone's gonna fuck my son, it's me. And it's like, uh, okay, that that came out wrong.
SPEAKER_02Soldier Boy had a couple of great one-liners.
SPEAKER_00Oh, dude, so dude, that's what I'm telling you. Like, I was telling you last episode how I think Soldier Boy is super funny with his lines. Yeah, you're right. And then where Kimiko isn't quite as funny because she's like a newbie, but he's just this well, he's actually not a boomer. We talked about this. He was in the greatest generation because he fought in the second world war. So he's the generation before. Anyway, but uh oh god, so funny. And um, but the the episode had so the ending there had so many references. Mr. Marathon, they go to his like bunker in the basement, and there's just a bunch of baby oil. Yeah. And I wonder if they wrote that right around the Diddy trials. I think so.
SPEAKER_02Didn't it say puff something on it, like puff baby or something? It said it literally said, yes. If you go watch it, I'm pretty sure it literally said Puff Baby. I'm pretty sure it says puff somewhere. Like you gotta go look it up, dude. Okay, no.
SPEAKER_00If that's true, 10 out that's amazing. If that's true. And it's also like, I was like, are they referencing the Diddy stuff? And clearly they were, but then again, they use it at the end. Uh, Soldier Boy puts on the floor and he slips, and then he breaks both his legs. Uh-huh. But the chase with Soldier Boy through the house, I can totally see Seth Rogan smoking a joint and then discussing that idea with someone. Hey, do you guys want to come shoot an episode of the boys? But all of us are gonna die with in this scene. What a what a great fun day. Like, you know what I mean? Like, hey, all of us are dead, and this is the scene. Soldier boy is running around the house, and this speedster is running through it too, and he runs through all of us.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it was so good. It was so good. That's where the boys nails like comic gore, where it's like if you watch a good way of putting it. You know what I mean? Like, if you watch that scene without like knowing the show, you would maybe, and especially people who don't handle gore well, would probably be disgusted because I think at one point he like picks a piece of like human flesh off of his face. And he's obviously like covered in like everything bodily, whatever. But like it's so over-the-top gross, and it's also just hilarious that that it's all these incredibly famous, successful actors just getting exploded on the screen, like one after another, and you realize the theme. And so that delivery of like Craig Robinson coming in, and just within like 30 seconds or less, he's just like dude.
SPEAKER_00It was actually, I'm not kidding. I think the scene is five seconds from when he like he comes out of the bathroom. I think he says something like, Oh, I got I I I can't have Taco Bell again. Yeah, and then and then Soldier Boy just moves him. He just it's so funny, he just grabs him and just moves him over a little bit and says, just and then he walks away and then just boom, gone. Just just missed.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but they all die. Oh god, it's so good. And Seth Rogan at the end, Seth Rogan being like sliced in half. Oh, yeah. Oh god, what does he say? Remind me? No, yeah, he says, I'll watch, I'll I'll think of you. No, what does the guy say to Seth Rogan? He says, I'll think of you every time I watch something, and I was like, Wait, wait, what? But obviously it like confused Seth Rogan too, and then Seth Rogan just gets his neck snapped and he's dead. Yeah, he's like, Oh, I gotta end this mystery. It it is it bad?
SPEAKER_00Is it bad?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you don't really, yeah, your bottom half is gone there, champ. Yeah, dude. But it was it was great. It was a really fun scene. I thought that was that was well done. And then it's funny watching like the the interaction between Homelander and Soldier Boy too, towards the end, because it is kind of like that it they have been going back and forth and and I you know what it reminded me of? This is a really obscure reference, so I apologize for this part, but it kind of reminds me of like in the Hunger Games when you kind of know almost everybody's gonna die, but like they don't kill a lot of the time they work together before like it's the final like they work together at times, knowing that they're eventually gonna go against each other.
SPEAKER_00That's kind of what it feels like with it's advantageous right now for them. Like there are bigger enemies and bigger fish to fry, but they both know that at the end it's gonna be them. Right. But I I I kind of like that though. I I love that stuff.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you're kind of watching knowing the entire time, like, hey, the this world isn't big enough for the two of them, and the whole business of like running the seven or any of that stuff, like it feels like okay, we know that they can't exist together long term, and it's it's repeated with the fact that Sister Sage constantly is saying to Soldier Boy, like, isn't it gonna be great when Homelander's immortal like you? Like, right? It's like the same kind of thing. He's poking the bear, poking the bear a little bit. Repeatedly planting that in his head, but at least at the time, and that's why it's fun to watch the scene. Soldier Boy kind of concludes, at least at that point, I'm not you're not gonna fucking kill him. If I'm I'm gonna kill him, if I'm gonna do this myself. Yeah, if it's gonna be somebody, it's gonna be me, is kind of what it feels like. So I don't know. It's a funny dynamic, but it was cool. It's a great scene. I'm very well, we only have three episodes left, Jeff. I know. It does make me sad too. I agree with you. It's it's it's sad to think about.
SPEAKER_00I think they're really gonna have to ramp up the plot, though, these last three. Because they definitely, I think it's gonna have to be some major shit. I mean, they started with the killing of people. I mean, Firecracker, I think Firecracker is the first domino because she's uh like we talked about, she's the media head. So I wonder what the dominoes of that are gonna be that you know, Homelander killed her.
SPEAKER_02Well, yeah, what are they gonna say? I that's a great point. Going into the next episode because she is this huge figure in the media that people are looking to. Right, right. They're looking to her at this point throughout most of what we've seen in the season. She's leading the charge on TV and in the media, promoting all of this stuff about Homelander. What are they gonna say about her death? And I know that they kind of brush a lot of this stuff under the rug, you know, or they'll put it, they'll put it on somebody else. Like, who are they gonna say killed her? Because what Starlight, I'm assuming, right? Yeah, she's everywhere.
SPEAKER_00She's the she's the electric assassin.
SPEAKER_02I mean, didn't they do the same kind of thing with A-Train? What is it had I thought didn't they say Starlight killed A-Train or something like that? Yeah, dude. She's Homelander, did it? She's their scapegoat. Yeah, exactly. So I'm guessing they'll do the same with her. But anyway, uh, it does make me sad, and I think episodes like this make it doubly sad because it's like these episode five was everything that I love about the boys, and so it's hard to feel like okay, we're saying we're gonna say goodbye to that in a couple episodes here.
SPEAKER_00So I think I actually might start a rewatch. I might start from season one, I might restart the whole thing because so much. I mean, the first season started in 2019, it's been a long time. It'll be it would be very interesting to go back and rewatch as you know, kind of like a silent gem on Amazon Prime. Like it does well, but when you watch it, you sometimes forget how good it really can be. Um it's amazing. I'm really looking forward to these next three episodes. You have any predictions coming up? Any more deaths, you think, or anything that you've changed your mind on?
SPEAKER_02We kind of covered the ones I would have said. I think the deep we already covered. I think the deep is probably pretty doomed at this point just because he's becoming a pretty bad I mean he is a he's always been a bad person, but we're seeing an even darker side, so it just feels like it would be appropriate for him to die. Like I said, what about um Stan Edgar, the the former head of VOT? That's a fun one too, because it it's I I feel the same way about him that I do about Sister Sage, where um he feels like he's always got something in his back pocket, like he's always got a little bit of a plan up his sleeve. Ahead of the game. He still feels like even though he's in a cell, he's got some power and he's kind of manipulating the way that Soldier Boy and Homelander interact, even a little bit, you know, that he can't.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he is very quiet, very patient, so he's very calculating.
SPEAKER_02He's another one, dude. And the way that they like the way he talked to um MM in what was it, episode three, two or three, when he was talking his plan to run VOT after everything like shakes out, it's like maybe that's his plan, and I could see that being something that happens.
SPEAKER_00I mean, well then M MM said, you know, if that's true, I'll put a bullet in your skull.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, maybe we've had a fair amount of foreshadowing throughout, dude, because like Butcher, that conversation between Butcher and Homelander from a couple episodes ago when he's like, I'll make sure if I'm going out, you're going out too. He says something to that effect. It's like, we've had a lot of foreshadowing, and I'm really curious how much they follow through with some of the stuff we've been lining up.
SPEAKER_00The Butcher I I had the Butcher finale with Homelander, which is obvious where it's going. Yeah. I wonder if they'll keep it. I I'm not gonna spoil it for you, but I wonder if they're gonna keep it in the same place they did in the comics. Yeah. And I think they will. I think they will. I'll let you know when we finish and do the last episode, we can talk about I'll talk about the comics and like how it worked.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I love hearing about that stuff. I love like getting to know okay, how much did they actually follow, you know, what happened.
SPEAKER_00But yeah, I'm excited, man. All right. Well, I think this is a good place to stop, and we'll be back next week for more of the boys. See ya.