The Boys - Ep. 6: Though the Heavens Fall

In this episode, hosts analyze the philosophical and moral dilemmas presented in The Boys Season 5, Episode 6, exploring themes of immortality, power, and morality through character analysis and predictions for the series finale.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

All right, hello everybody. Welcome to Too Much TV. Today we're talking about the boys season five, episode six. And we're really right there towards the end. And the V1 finally, dude, that finally that plot line is done. Because I feel like they've been chasing that thing for a long ass time. Um I was wondering, and my first question to you, Jeff, is like, would you take the V1? Because it makes you immortal. And I was really wrestling with that concept because I'm not sure if I would take it or not. And I mean, I want to hear your thoughts, and then I'll tell you what I think I would do. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:43

Um so uh my initial answer is no. Um, in the episode, they sort of already cover why, like the baseline reasoning, why I wouldn't. Um, and I think that the analogy they use is that summer's only beautiful because you know winter's coming. Did you write that down, Jeff?

SPEAKER_01 1:00

Did you write that down?

SPEAKER_00 1:01

Because I wrote I did you write it down? No, that one just dude, that one just was so powerful it stuck right in the dome. I just remember that one. But it it is honestly, it's the same reasoning I would give. I think life is beautiful because it's fleeting. Um that's sort of the whole idea behind it is that even when you live for a long time, your time is always limited on Earth. So some of what makes everything in your life meaningful is because you know it's gonna end at some point. Even your best friends or you know, your partner, it's all fleeting. And so you have to take, you know, each moment um and and value it and value all those interactions and relationships you have because you know you'll one day you won't have them. So and one day you'll be gone.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

It's it's yeah, that's some pretty core like philosophical ideas. It's just like, this is it, guys. We're only here for a little bit. Do your best and you know, exit the stage correctly. It is interesting when it comes to the V1 and and like home, like obviously at the end of the episode, Homelander gets it. And I want to get to that point because I do want to talk about that because I have a few ideas of what's gonna happen. But it's like, let's say he takes it and let's say he lives a thousand more years. In a thousand years, the crimes he's committed in this time period would essentially be expunged, don't you think? Like when we think about ancient history or whatever, there are in just astounding massacres of people that no one today can really remember. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 2:34

Yeah, I mean, for sure. I think uh obviously, as we develop as humans and as a human race, our standards for society change pretty drastically uh when you look at it on a on a sort of a grand scale. So uh it would be very difficult to hold someone accountable for the crimes that they committed a thousand years ago if we as a society were completely different than what we were back then. Yeah. On the flip side of that, you have to live for a thousand years and live through a thousand years of those terrible things and and just life in general. I just can't imagine thinking about living for a thousand years. That's just crazy. She said it was torture.

SPEAKER_03 3:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Like she said it would be torture. Like I the only, and this made me think about this. Um, we talked about Invincible a little bit last episode, just how it's kind of the flip side of the boys. Like, what did we say? Different sides of the same coin. And there's a character in Invincible, and his name is Immortal, you know, and he's, you know, fucking immortal. And there's an episode where it's like there's a massive time jump. I don't know if you remember this one, and and Mark goes into the future, and the immortal rules over the earth, and he's like, I am in so much pain. I have lived for so long. Everyone I have ever known has died, and everyone I've loved is gone. End my suffering. I think the problem with this sort of question is I think it would be fun for maybe like 300 years. Yeah. Maybe 500. But then after a while, I mean, because that I mean, I mean, we're getting deep into some philosophical ideas. Like, would your mind break? Would you eventually lose it, or would it keep on growing and advancing? Or would you eventually just sit in a cave somewhere meditating forever? Do you know what I mean? Like, I just wonder where it would go.

SPEAKER_00 4:32

Yeah, it's really hard to it's hard to tell. If I can draw one more parallel to things that you and I really like. Um remember when we talked about uh Sinners, like the movie The Vampire. Yeah, Sinners, great movie. Similar kind of concept where it was like vampires like live for a lot longer and don't like are vampires immortal immortal in like typical or do they just live like a really long time?

SPEAKER_01 4:53

I think most of Oh God, that's a great question, Jeff.

SPEAKER_00 4:57

Okay. Either way, either way, I think the concept still stands. So like that cut that thought of, hey, I'm not gonna age and I'm gonna stay this way forever, it's i you're you're you're free in the sense of you don't have to worry about dying. But at the same time, if not everybody you know is a vampire too or whatever, immortal, you're gonna lose everyone that you know, including people who are a lot younger than you. Like you're gonna see kids grow old and die. That's a really hard you know, for anyone who has their own children, they're gonna lose that that stuff is all the things that go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 5:32

Would you do it if your family could also do it? Like you could pick people to keep with you.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

That's an interesting question. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 5:39

We can come back to this because in sinner in sinners, it's the two of them. Right. And if I had, you know, me and my girl forever, like that would maybe make it a lot better. But alone, that's a that's a whole different story. I'm not sure if I could do it alone. Yeah. Like I said, 500 years, and then I'd be like, all right, I've I've seen enough of this.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

Yeah, you've done enough in your 500 years.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

Well, so going back going back to the boys, they find that character that what's the name of the actor again? Paul Riser. Paul Riser, and he's legend, which is a great name, but he's not a superhero, he's just some studio executive who likes to, you know, bang his way through everybody. Yeah oh dude, just some of those lines are so good. The soldier boy line this episode too. It's like, oh, they can shave my nut hair. It's like, bro, but he he's got the same thing. It's like, oh, she had a she seems like she's got a tight ass. And and he goes, Oh, yeah, I dined at that establishment back in 78. The service was exquisite. It's just like, bro, like you're in your mid-60s, man. We don't need to hear about you having sex with everybody in this room.

SPEAKER_00 6:51

Yeah, it's definitely his thing. It was definitely like that was that was his character. Um, yeah, he was a he was a funny addition to this episode because he provided a couple different dimensions, right? He he was helping them find the V1 and then is seen he's kind of helpless to a certain degree, because you said it, right? He's not a soup, so he's he's kind of just a pawn to some degree in this whole you know uh situation that's playing out. And then sort of ironically, at the end, he influences Homelander in a way that a lot of characters haven't really been able to touch him, right? I mean, he seems to almost get through a layer there that most people don't seem like they get through. Did you feel that when you were watching this?

SPEAKER_01 7:35

And we dissect that a little bit, actually. Because I was very intrigued by that because I think that Legend, I mean, this goes back to when Firecracker dies. You know, Homelander says, Oh, your heart is beating like a hummingbird. I think Legend, I dude, he's an older guy, he's seen it all. He I think his sort of viewpoint on life is just like, eh, yeah, fuck it. Like, we'll see what happens here. And when Homelander walks in, he's he makes full acceptance immediately that he's probably not gonna make it out of there. And he's just gonna be himself till the end. And I honestly I respected that because I think it's true. I think I think the problem with Homelander, like, dude, if you f if you met fucking Superman, you know what I mean, you would be freaking out. Think about like any celebrity. For the most most people freak out when they meet a celebrity, and that that's just a normal person who's just famous. This is the most powerful being on the planet, and he's keeping his cool, treating him like a normal person. And I think deep down, dude, like, and we go back to like the the milk thing with Homelander. That's all Homelander wants. He just wants to be treated, he wants to be a normal person. Like it's it's it's a pretty horrifying thing for him. He just wants to be a normal guy, but Vaught fucked him up. No parents, nothing. He had nothing. And no wonder he's psycho.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

I was gonna say, I think he's he's extremely confused. I think he at the heart of it, I think you've probably you're probably right. He he wants to have some feeling of being treated like he's obviously lacking in the the parental relationships, right? I feel like some of where Legend might have hit through the wall was talking to him almost like a father figure. We've touched on that before. Homelander's really like That's interesting. Because your dad generally, you know, isn't afraid of you and is going to talk to you like a normal person and give you some you know sound advice, which is what it felt like Legend was doing in that scene. I think you're right. Homelander kind of fluctuates between wanting to be treated like a normal person and have normal relationships, and then at the same time, some part of him wants to be treated like a god and above everyone else, and he can't really figure out w what he wants, where the balance is there.

SPEAKER_01 9:53

I think he thinks the God part will get him the other part. Yeah. Like the family side. Like he's just he thinks that if he thinks the higher he rises, the more validity he'll get in his like relationships. But I think that's kind of like the irony here is that the further he rises, the less people will like him or care for him or anything really. So it's like this sort of like um what dramatic irony, not dramatic irony, like a tr- oh it's a tragic irony to his character, is that he's just gonna keep going through this route and it's just gonna get worse and worse.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

Yeah. But I think one thing you said was spot on, which is pretty cool when you think about the dynamics of the scene. I don't think Legend, Paul Riser's character, was afraid at the end at all. Like he accepted, he says it out loud. He says, You're not gonna let me walk out of here. So he's pretty much accepted that. And that realization and and the way that he interacts with Homelander after that, it it has to be so refreshing for Homelander to be talking to somebody who he actually might think, Hey, you're not just saying this because you want me to let you live. I know you might actually be talking to me. There's no angle for you. You have nothing to lose at this point. So you actually might be talking to me more directly than most people I've talked to for the last, you know, however many years, whatever you want to say.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

Like, because everyone's trying to manipulate him because you know he is Superman. Oh God, yeah, it's good. It's good. And he lets them go. Yeah. He lets them go. And but you know, legend though, too, he's a he's a very charismatic man. Even though he's a pervert, yeah, or you know, he's he's very, very charismatic with when he talks to people. And he also seems to like cut to the core of a person's personality. He does it with MM, if you saw that. Yeah. Oh, you're now you're acting like Butcher. That's not you, kid. Like, and it's just his ability to really get to the crux of it very, very quickly, I think is what yeah, let's that's how Homelander lets him go. While we're on Homelander, we might as well, we're gonna jump all over the episode. Let's talk about the ending. He clearly gets it, and I and he was shooting the lasers out of his eyes. I dude, it was terrifying. I really do like the scary Superman thing. Yeah, I I think because if if Superman wasn't such a good person, he would be one of the most terrifying entities ever. And Homelander is definitely starting to embody this. I have a prediction with Homelander, and I know we're only, you know, 13 minutes into this, but I want to give a prediction real quick. I think the V1 is gonna push his psychiatric, you know, like flaws and and difficulties. I think that's gonna increase exponentially. I think he's gonna start losing it even more. Because we've talked about this Homelander with regular old, you know, V has some very, very bad mental health issues and everything. I think the V1 is gonna exacerbate that exceedingly so.

SPEAKER_00 12:59

Yeah, I mean, I I was gonna say he's not exactly coming from a place of stability in the first place. So, you know, it's like I I don't know how much he has to lose here, but I agree that there's a chance that he could pretty much lose whatever tiny little bit of grip he had left. Uh yeah. Yeah. It definitely feels like we're heading, we've said this kind of from the start of covering this season, that it's really heading towards um uh a pretty calamitous, what's the you know, it's it's the it the ending is gonna be there's it's gonna be fireworks.

SPEAKER_01 13:34

Yes, yes. It's gonna be massive. And I I wanted to actually touch on that with you too, because it seems to be pretty under wraps for now. I mean, up until this point. Because I they haven't really done anything like a massive thing, like a big story, like a huge tension. Everything just seems to be building and building and building. I think the last two episodes are gonna have that like massive release. And I mean, I know I know I've talked to you, I know how the comics end. So I think I know what he's gonna do next, but I'm not sure. And this also then how is how are they gonna kill him? Yeah. My theory and my prediction is that Butcher gets V1, but but it will like there's gonna be some warning. It's like if you take this, you'll die in like a week or something. And Butcher is just gonna take it and be like, uh, however, he says it or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 14:35

Yeah. Well, that the funny thing is, dude, I I mean, I like your prediction. I feel like that was sort of the the situation, the setup that I originally thought with compound V that he took, right? That's because didn't Butcher take compound V to get the powers? So I thought it was kind of the setup was, hey, this is gonna kill you. It's almost exactly what you just said. Like it's hey, this is gonna kill you, but you're gonna get the powers.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

Um and but he had a he had like a year with the compound V or something, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:04

Right, yeah, something like that. Uh and so we've already kind of been through that dynamic with Butcher a little bit, and we know what he would choose if it was necessary in order to like stop Homelander, whatever, you know. At this point, I think he's just about ready to do anything anyway to stop him.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

So you think Butcher is just as evil, but almost on like, okay, hold on. Let me let me you know, our our American politics is pretty split right now. It's really bad. Would you put Homelander as like conservative Jesus and an awful person? Is Butcher like the liberal version? Do you know what I mean? Like he's an argument for it, he's like on the opposite end of the evil, but he's just like because like they they go to that nursing home and he's like, they're not people. And I'm like, oh dude. I mean, like, whereas in Homelander doesn't think human beings are people, Butcher thinks the same thing about soups. So it's like, is he just as evil, just on the other side?

SPEAKER_00 16:06

Yeah, it's definitely. I mean, I think they have what's funny about the two characters is they have a fair amount of parallels between the two of them, where they they in terms of behavior and the way that they approach uh the parties that they don't respect or they don't value, they sort of treat them the same way, right? That's kind of at least at the root of it, they they don't um have a ton of uh they won't put a lot of value on the people that they've been pitted against. So yeah, I think it's a funny, it's a funny balance in the show and why they've always sort of circled each other in the show. Like a lot of what they might be angry at the other person for, they probably also kind of see in themselves a little bit. Like, yeah, I think you know, maybe neither of them would admit it.

SPEAKER_01 16:56

Actually, I think Homelander would admit it before Butcher, but I think that there is a small bit of respect. Yeah, I think definitely much more for Homelander towards Butcher. I think Homelander at some point is like, damn, dude, you just keep stopping here. You really are upset about this. Like you are not stopping. But I think Butcher Butcher fucking hates Homelander. He is so excited for him to die. But then he's he's gonna have it, there's gonna be a genocide. He like I maybe this is another philosophical question I can ask you, Jeff. Would you release the the uh virus? It would kill, I think it was 10,000 superheroes. Would you stop Homelander? Just Homelander. And I mean, sure, let's just say a thousand of the soups are awful people, right? That's still 9,000 people who are getting. You know, that's three 9-11s, Jeff.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

Yeah, yeah. I I think uh unfortunately, the number that we're looking at if Homelander wasn't stopped and is immortal and able and sort of all powerful and able to just do whatever he wants, the number that you're looking at in terms of casualties, especially if he can live forever, people that he murders is gonna be way, way, way higher than 10,000. That would be my answer. It just comes down to the numbers, and I I know, but it that's so cold. It's so cold. Oh yeah, it is, dude. I'm not saying it's an easy to call, and I'm pretty darn happy I'm not the one to make it, but at the end of the day, I think that's probably what Team Butcher is holding close to them.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

You know, that's yeah. It's it's it's they did this um that trial for the uh for the V1. They tried to replicate it with those like test subjects. It's like, oh, here's test subject 35. Yeah. That's 34 people they killed just to test this thing, and Homelander doesn't give a fuck. No, dude. Uh it is that's such a tricky question. Do you kill the people or those soups to save everybody else?

SPEAKER_03 18:54

Yeah, it's awful.

SPEAKER_01 18:55

It is awful. Awful question. Um, let's move on to something a little bit more fun. Your favorite character.

SPEAKER_00 19:01

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My guy just keeps getting darker and darker.

SPEAKER_01 19:07

Dude, the deep. Also, okay, I've got a lot to say about the deep. The PSA he made about that pipeline. Yeah. I I I it was so fucking funny. I had to write it down. What did he say? He said, uh, for all my eco, bros, oil is organic and comes from the earth. Dude, I I was just giggling.

SPEAKER_00 19:29

My uh doesn't he say if we don't use it, the dinosaurs died for nothing or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 19:34

That was so good. That's what a great twisted way of drawing the work.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

No, it's not at all. Oh god, it's all yeah, but it it was perfectly it was perfectly written that you know for him whenever yeah, for him and also, you know, whatever way uh big corporations or the government wants to try to justify, they will reword something or try to draw like some kind of convoluted logic to make it seem justified in whatever means possible. What a what a great spokesperson, the deep, who is just like you said, a complete sellout and will just say and do whatever. Like, what did I call himself?

SPEAKER_01 20:13

I think I called him a coward. Yeah, you had a couple good ones. A sellout, a pussy, and an idiot, and an idiot. Yeah, oh, and an asshole. He was all of those things. Oh god, that's why he's so good. Okay, but then the funniest scene was like they did what's her name, Ashley with Voldemort on the back of her head. Oh, her the Voldemort taking over her body and walking back. Pobbling around. Yeah. Oh, dude, again, you know, you we've talked about the boy's creativity. That's just another one of those excellent little scenes that's so stupid. It's so good. But um, her being like, uh yeah, the deep has it under control, and then he's just slathered in oil. Oh yeah, just talking to the fish. Oh, the grouper, it's like, we know it was you, Kevin. He does DPR on the fish. He does. Also, why is he so he's so nice to fish?

SPEAKER_00 21:06

Yeah, that's why he's so he's such a hilarious character because the only people that he seems like he has real empathy for are the fish. And then fish. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

And listen, I love that actually. I like fish. I mean, I like to eat fish, but I also like fish in the ocean. But he's the that's the only time he's ever nice is to fish. I don't know why it's so funny. No, he is funny.

SPEAKER_00 21:30

Well, yeah, he had. I mean, that that scene with the uh doing the CPR and then and then realizing that the fish know that he was, you know, partially responsible for for okaying all this stuff. And uh it's it's a very like his character again throughout has provided enough like comic relief for me that I just I I can't I appreciate him in the show so much. But he, to your point from before it has gotten more and more dark. That's that's what I was saying when we first. Started talking about him. The way I mean he kills Black Noir in one of the more like issues with killing. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Well, uh, I mean, that was that was definitely I mean he's don't get me wrong, he's done some really bad things throughout uh and and obviously like even just in some what the episode before uh this one, one or two before this one where he's killing the guy with the eel, right? I mean, that's a terrible but he didn't do it. That's the difference. And I I need to re-watch to see how many people he's actually like killed that are close to him. Yeah. That are close to him, like Black Noir, somebody that he worked with like that. Because he he kills him in a pretty intimate way, right? He you know, first starts with the strangle, then takes the knife, and yeah. And the line again, yeah. Go ahead. You wouldn't have to go. Come on, you were my never my bro, bro. Come on, dude. Come I know you laughed at that. It's impossible like, come on. But but he is obviously really affected afterwards. He's like breathing, you know, he's he's hyperventilating and it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01 23:00

My question is Okay, go did they forget that Black Noir is a superhero? No, but dude, like this guy's been shot at with bullets and he gets killed by a knife?

SPEAKER_00 23:09

No, but yeah, I think well, but you think that he's a double? This is the double. This is the double after Black Noir, like the real Black Noir died. So like I don't know how many I don't know even if this guy really has powers. Like, does this guy have powers?

SPEAKER_01 23:26

They they had that scene, I was it last season or the season before, where they're in that apartment, butcher's apartment, and then he flies, and then someone says, Oh, he can fly now. Oh, yeah, maybe you're right. Also, but is that the same guy? I don't know. Dude, I think they're I think they're I think they're playing with something there. Yeah, maybe maybe they are, maybe they are. And also, no spoilers, that is a end of the comic thing. Like Black Noir is pretty involved in the end of the comics.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

Yeah. So I I gotcha. Well, then I mean, by all means, I you know, I could see that playing out. I just felt like I agree this did the the way that the deep was able to kill this guy didn't seem very like practical if this dude is really powerful. Um, but it also some of the stuff I just I kind of give him a pass because they have to write it a certain way. And if they, you know, are wanting to kind of pick off some of these characters as we go along. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:24

And it's also how hard it is to shoot that, like him flying up into the ceiling and then having no continuity errors with that. Just having him die at the desk is a little just it's much easier, easier to shoot. I also thought it was funny. He Black Demoir causes the oil pipeline to be like broken. That's a horrible thing to do. Yeah. That's like that's an ecological disaster. What did they say? This is worse than uh what was the one BP? When was that one that happened? BP? Deepwater Horizon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Was that back in when we were in high school? Was that in like 2010?

SPEAKER_00 25:03

Uh I think that's around. It's around that time frame. Yeah, something like that. That's the really bad one. That's like the the one that was all over the news.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

And and yeah, um, and they were like, it's significantly worse than that. And this is oh bro, it was so good. But yeah, but when he died, I was like, listen, Black Noir was a good character. But he was like, Yeah, you kinda, you kind of deserve that one, buddy. Oh, yeah. What do you say? All you care about is fucking fish, man. Yeah. Oh, dude, I don't get it. It's so good. It's so good.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

They're having to cross off different characters, I think, as we go along here. I think they're just I think a lot of them are just gonna meet their end in in various ways.

SPEAKER_01 25:47

I wanted to ask you about this because they're introducing new characters. They introduced Bombsite. I don't know if you know this, they're making a prequel show called Vaught Rising. So it's it's in the 50s. So Soldier Boy is in it, which is gonna be great. It's gonna be fantastic. And it's gonna be during the 50s, and Bombsight's gonna be in it. Do you think do you think it was cool that they introduced him like this towards the end and it's not like marketing for the next show? Or do you think it worked? Because I think it worked.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

Uh no, I th I yeah, I think it was pretty cool. I I felt like um the only the one and only like visual that I didn't love was Bombsight sort of scampering away when Homelander showed up. But I just he's also just just yeah, to be clear, he did just lose his powers, so he kind of knows, like, hey, I gotta get the heck out of here because I can't really play in this arena anymore. Um but it was a funny visual after a pretty epic standoff between him and Soldier Boy, kind of you know, towards great lines too. Yeah, right. Some great lines. They they kind of had a um a head-to-head scene confronting a lot of the beef that they've had for a long time.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

It's gonna be that already is gonna be a bit of a teaser for the next show. So it's gonna have like that, oh, we have a little bit of character development already, and we're gonna see how that sort of played out. Yeah. Um bombstein arriving was awesome too.

SPEAKER_03 27:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:13

Like you could hear him. Yeah, like just that that that shaking of the walls. It was real quiet at first, and then oh, that I love that type of shit. Yeah, that was yeah, amazing.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

I made a I made a note just real quick because you you you touched on something that I think is cool in the show. There's always it feels like levels to the different superheroes, like soups have different levels, and it does feel like he's on a bit of a higher tier than a lot of the ones we get introduced to. Like he was obviously able to go head to head with Soldier Boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, of course, Homelander is is this like S plus, but for the most part, it felt like Bombsite was one of those when you get introduced to a character, you can tell that they're a bigger deal. He's gonna be like an A tier.

SPEAKER_01 27:56

Like if Homelander is the cream of the crop, Soldier Boy is like directly underneath him, and like all the rest of the people in the seven, I would say, are in that tier, Homelander's just one one step up. Yeah. Um I have one last question for you, and then I think we can wrap it up. Why do you think Soldier Boy gave him the V1? Is it because of Clara? Is it because of the Stormfront, the Nazi from season two?

SPEAKER_00 28:25

I mean, that's the reasoning that he uses. I can't tell if that was the real reason. Like if if he really, if Soldier Boy loved her enough that he was saying this is what she would have wanted, yeah, maybe that is the real reason. Maybe he was being genuine in the in the thought. Because she was always under the she like believed in the sort of elite power of the superheroes, right? Like she won't like Yeah, dude, she was a superhero Nazi. Right. That's kind of what I was yes. So she she uh what he said, what Soldier Boy said to Homelander was that she would have basically appreciated, and and obviously did when she knew him, but she would appreciate like uh how incredibly all powerful he is, and especially he would be with the V1, right? That's like almost like a dream for the for the elitist superhero people, right?

SPEAKER_01 29:20

Like food male superhero, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:22

Yeah, exactly. So it's kind of like maybe he really was trying to honor her vision, and it's like this is it, but it feels like I don't know, I'm a really like I always feel like there's something else going on whenever I'm watching a show, and I always feel like there's another, like some other element at play, some other angle, some other angle still, and I don't know if that's maybe still present.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

Maybe, maybe when a show builds up those like angles so much, sometimes the angle is that there is none. Like, when do you not do it? Yeah, right? Yeah. And dude, it was pretty cool to see Sage surprised.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

Yeah, dude. That was big.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

And she was funny too. She was like, Stage three, I'm out of here. I'm never coming back here again. Sorry, what were you saying?

SPEAKER_00 30:10

No, no, it's okay. I just I was sitting there thinking the same exact thing. When she's surprised, I was like, Are you really surprised? Like, I'm like doing the you know, the side eye at the screen.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

She never says she's surprised. Yeah. Like she has always she even in this episode, she's like, Oh my god, people are so predictable. And like she's gotten very confident, almost arrogant, but freaking Taco Bell receipt, dude.

SPEAKER_00 30:35

Like she's getting like a yeah, like a like a complex where she thinks she can, yeah, she thinks she can basically taunt Homelander.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

Yeah, I think an issue with super intelligent people sometimes is that they think that they're smarter than everybody else, and not quite realizing sometimes that you know you can't get sloppy, and she did with Taco Bell receipt. The fact, by the way, the fact that she loves Taco Bell also is such a it's such a nice little bit to her character. I don't know why it works so well. It's so funny. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, we have two episodes left, and I I really think these last two are they really have to up it here, I think. Because it's it's it's gotten to this point, but I think now it has to almost be like a war. I think there has to be something massive that's gonna happen in these last two episodes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

It's like I was saying earlier, it feels a little tame right now, a little bit. I agree, I agree. It feels like we've had a ton of tension building up to this climactic ending, and they gotta deliver here. Well, that's what I was saying earlier about fireworks. We gotta get some serious fireworks in the last two episodes here because we have built everything in the series pretty much leading up to this kind of final conflict, it feels like. And I think from a sort of a critical standpoint, you and I are sitting here going, they better bring it home like big time. I yeah, stick the landing. Yeah, I hope so.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

Yeah. But don't be wrong, it's been very fun. I I still love the boys. Yeah. But it's just like I want like the the war. I want the everything out on the table. Let's do it, sort of thing.

SPEAKER_00 32:10

Yeah, we want the ending to do it justice. It's been a great show. So it's like let the ending be as awesome as the entire show has been.

SPEAKER_01 32:17

Well, apparently, like I told you, the whole cast says that episode eight is is astounding. So we have one more and then we're on to eight. Dude, I think all the superheroes are dead, actually, man. Like, I think that's my quote. Like, I don't think anyone makes it. I I think Kimiko and Starlight are done. I actually think they're not gonna live. Because it they seem pretty like if this is what it takes, this is what we're gonna do. So yeah, I don't know. But um, any final thoughts, Jeff?

SPEAKER_00 32:47

No, I'm excited, man. I like I just said, I I really just hope it delivers because I've loved this show. Um I I we say it every single time. I'm gonna miss it. I I really am gonna miss it. But I'm looking forward to the end, and I I do I I have some high expectations, man. I'm I'm excited. All right. Well, this was Too Much TV, and we'll see you next week.