The Boys series finale

The Boys finale left many fans feeling lukewarm—but what if the show’s biggest lessons lie not in its plot, but in what it could have been? This episode dives deep into the season's missed opportunities, unraveling why the ending didn’t deliver the explosive crescendo we expected and what makes the series truly legendary.

You’ll discover how the show's masterful satire and iconic characters, especially Anthony Starr's chilling portrayal of Homelander and Carl Urban’s gritty Butcher, cements its place in TV history. We break down the characters’ arcs—from Frenchie’s sacrificial moments to Starlight’s surprising evolution—and reveal why these performances are truly unforgettable.

Get insights into how the finale’s rushed storytelling, underwhelming twists, and missed dramatic opportunities impacted the overall impact—and why that matters for the show’s lasting legacy. We reflect on the parallels to Game of Thrones and explore whether The Boys will stand the test of time, or fade into meme-worthy obscurity.

Perfect for fans longing for a smarter superhero series, and anyone curious about what makes a satisfying ending—or how The Boys might be remembered decades from now. If you've loved the satire, the chaos, and the complex villains, this episode will give you a whole new perspective on the series’ wild ride.

Join us as we unpack the highs and lows of Season 3, the series’ cultural influence, and what this means for future superhero stories. This isn’t just a review—it's a celebration of the show’s impact and a hope for what’s next in this dark, hilarious universe.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hello, everybody. Welcome to Too Much TV. We have finally made it to the Boys Series finale. A show since 2019 is finally over. And Jeff, your first thoughts about the finale. Overwhelming, underwhelming, middling? What were your thoughts?

SPEAKER_02 0:23

I think middling is the one I would pick. I don't I would not say that I hated it. I didn't hate it. I've seen far worse finales to shows that I really loved. Um are you talking about Game of Thrones? That's one that comes to mind.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

That's an easy one that comes to mind. That's probably the most famous one. I I saw a clip on Reddit, and it was like the subreddit for Game of Thrones consoling the subreddit for the boys, being like, oh, first time. And it's like it it listen, the finale was fine. It wasn't nearly as bad as Game of Thrones's finale was. Like the Game of Thrones finale is it's so bad I haven't seen it since I watched it. Yeah.

unknown 1:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

So this was fine. This was fine. I felt, I think the word that comes to mind, and it might be a little too strong, but like unsatisfied with I think I just had really high expectations.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

I think so too. And I think I mean we we talked on the phone yesterday for a little bit, and we talked about how the boys had such potential to be to have this incredible ending because the show is so it's so unique, it's so fresh. The parody and the satire is so good, and it's also so funny, and and when it's well written, it's very well written. And then to get to the finale, and it's just it it I I didn't really feel that there was that much at stake. You know, Homelander kills one guy, yeah. Right, I know that's what yeah, I know, dude. The Jesus the you know, the whole season they've been doing that Jesus God angle. Yeah. And then like he doesn't snap, he doesn't fight the U.S. military. There's no war, there's no like massive thing. And then they yeah, anyway. Wait, wait, okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:21

Well let's why don't we spend a couple minutes on episode seven? Because I think you and I both were not um over the moon about that one either, but we should talk about how we got to the finale a little bit first. Uh yeah. What do you think?

SPEAKER_00 2:33

Yeah. Uh uh a few standouts from Seven. Uh the funniest one part of that was Samuel L. Jackson as the what the hammerhead shark. The hammerhead shark. He was amazing. That was awesome. And with the deep being like, hey, motherfucker, if you ever get in this water again, we're gonna kill your ass. And like, and also it was so clearly Samuel L. Jackson, which was really, really funny. Because I wonder what like I wonder how that pitch goes. Like, like the call to him, hey man, uh you want to come in and do I I um bro, I I bet that took, I'm not kidding, 10 minutes. Like he showed up, did it, left. Here's a hundred thousand dollars. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 3:19

Yeah, yeah. Well, but it makes uh it's so funny because you're right that it probably didn't take a lot of time, but it made for such a great scene, like it that was a really nice touch, especially towards the end of the deeps kind of story arc, and to have the hammerhead shark that he's been kind of like we've seen him a couple times this this season, right? Him like you know, partnering with the hammerhead shark and the fish, yeah. And then just to be like punked out of the water, basically, by Samuel Jackson as a hammerhead shark was an awesome and and then there's a later scene where there's a guy drowning like right off the shore, and people are like, Oh my god, hey, it's the deep.

SPEAKER_00 4:03

Go save him, and he's like, uh no, I'm not going to. And someone's like, dude, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, get in the water. That's like your one thing is the water.

SPEAKER_02 4:16

It is. Oh, it's so good. Yep. Yeah, the uh my boy The Deep, um he he he had a rough final couple episodes. He uh, but it it was deserved, right? I mean, he was a pretty shitty dude towards the end. He was a shitty dude the whole time, but I would say he stuck with it, bro. He stayed shitty.

SPEAKER_00 4:39

Like, yeah, he he kept to his like him who he was. Deep down, dude. He didn't betray his shittiness. I guess that's one good thing we could say about him. Yeah, but maybe holy shit. Do you want to just jump into the finale then? Because I think seven was just like a setup. I I can't really even think of anything else.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

You want to talk about Frenchie's death just real quick? Because that was probably another big thing. Of course.

SPEAKER_00 5:03

Yeah, go for it.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

Um, so this was the start of uh a relatively long list of things that I felt like didn't quite fit with the show that we had come to love for these past few years. Um I've said, if you think back to our previous episodes, I think I said like two or three times that I couldn't see a world where Kimiko and Frenchie didn't like go out together. And that was just because of the strength of the bond that they had. I felt like they would have always chosen to go out defending each other, uh kind of no matter what. And I think the it's still represented in the fact that Frenchie sacrifices himself for her. I guess my biggest um complaint with the the writing of that scene is that I still can't see a world where she would not have. I know she was really weak, but she would have tried to get out of there. And and I just can't imagine a world where she hides and lets him confront Homelander on his own. That also goes back, I think, to her origin story.

SPEAKER_00 6:11

Doesn't she have a brother? And doesn't she attack people when they like try to hurt her brother? And this is now and now now she's just not going to do it?

SPEAKER_02 6:22

Yeah, dude, that's where like I know that they have to write it a certain way so that it can play out the way that they've imagined. But yeah, I I and I know that I'm hyper-critical of this, but when I come to really appreciate some characters in a show, I like when the writing kind of sticks to who they've built. And I think they built Kimiko to be somebody I mean, she was a badass, and she to me she would fight like tooth and nail to the death to protect Frenchie, and she's hiding in a vent thing. Like, yeah, I just didn't see it, man. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 6:57

You know, it's like I have I agree with you, and I have another sort of issue with with the whole scene is that you know when Homelander kills someone, he doesn't really like like let them dangle. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:13

That is not his style.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

Yeah. He he like rips their heads off, cuts them in half. You know, he does like pretty, you know, not to, you know, diabolical shit. And now Frenchie, I mean, I don't even know what happened there. Did he just punch him in the stomach or something? Dude, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

I was expecting to have them walk out and Frenchie was exploded all over that room. Like, that's what I expected from a I I know that like they had to write it so that they could have a dramatic final scene between the two of them.

SPEAKER_00 7:45

The dramatic scene falls on deaf ears if the scene doesn't feel like it fits within the the sort of you know, within this like the writing of what we've come to expect.

SPEAKER_02 7:59

Right. One million percent agree. One million percent agree. I I still thought the scene was sad. It was sad to watch Frenchie die because he's a character that we've liked. I mean, I like Frenchie as a character just in general. He had a lot of depth, he brought a great element to the show, so it was still sad to watch him die uh you know in in Kimiko's arms, but I did feel like there was a we keep using the same phrases, but that there was a lack of weight there because it was like, wait, he's like how Homelander kind of left him like half dead, half alive. Like what happened here? I I don't know, man. It just like it just doesn't, it it doesn't quite fit.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

So therefore the scene is not nearly as impactful as they wanted it to be. And I think that's kind of what we're what we're struggling with. So I mean it was it was sad, but it was like sad in a way that it was like, oh, yeah, sad. Like it wasn't really I also I mean jumping to the finale real quick, a lot of people lived life. Way more people lived than I expected. I really thought it would get way worse. So and and again, like we were, you know, talking about seven, we wanted home like it to be this global problem. We wanted it to be this massive issue, and it just felt like they were boiling and boiling and boiling, and then that's it. Like it just ended. So don't get me wrong. I I really like like every time I watch an episode of the boys, I am thoroughly entertained. But that doesn't that doesn't necessarily mean that the writing this season was perfect, maybe. Like I I think I talked to you about this yesterday. It just felt like a bit of wasted opportunity. Wasted wasted potential.

SPEAKER_02 9:46

That was your word. I love that phrase that you use, man. Wasted potential is uh to me a perfect way of putting it because we had a boatload of buildup here to I mean for what I just to what I don't I don't know because I was I was looking for fireworks. I mean, I was looking for a crescendo for for a climactic, I mean, uh and we I think we got an attempt at that. Yeah with the with the final fight with Homelander, but it it just didn't deliver the punch that I was expecting. Does that it make sense?

SPEAKER_00 10:16

Yeah, I agree with you. It it just felt like the punch should have been harder. Yeah. It should have been worse, it should have had a bit more of this gravitas to it. But instead, it just kinda it just kinda happens. And and don't get me wrong, like the fight was great. It was cool. But I was thinking to myself, Hero Gasm was better.

SPEAKER_02 10:40

Yeah, dude. That's their highest rated episode still. Uh here I think it's I think it's their highest rated episode of the whole show. Um did you, by the way, on that note, did you look up the ratings by any chance for any of these episodes that we've covered? Because I I've tried not to prior to watching, because I think it's good to have your own opinion, but I looked them up after. You curious?

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Yeah, I think the finale, I think I think I saw something on Instagram. I think it's like sitting at a 6.8 or something, maybe a little lower.

SPEAKER_02 11:06

So um, yeah, it may have it might have moved since you looked, but I believe seven is a high five right now, so it's like a five eight or a five-nine, and I believe the finale is right there with it, five eight or five nine. Um in contrast to the rest of the season stuff, which was the even this season, a lot of it was above a seven, mid-sevens, low eights. I mean, yeah, the last two episodes really seem to have, at least from the ratings on IMDb, you know, disappointed a fair bit of the audience compared to the other episodes.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

So I I I think that the satire and the parody has still been amazing. All of that stuff is great and and just as potent as it's always been. But yeah, the plot, like they were looking for the V1 forever, and then Homelander gets it, and then it's like, oh, fucking okay, cool. Now Kimiko then just gets rid of it.

SPEAKER_02 12:04

Like Yeah, what did that do, man? I I I really was trying to I think I might have said this to you when we were on the phone, but what did him getting the V1 do when it didn't do?

SPEAKER_00 12:15

It was do the The V one prevented him from the like dying from the virus that Butcher had. Okay. And it would have made him immortal. So kind of going into his whole God thing that he was trying to make himself out to be. That's it.

SPEAKER_02 12:34

Yeah, it just didn't it didn't feel like for as much time as we spent uh building up to him whether or not he would get it, whether or not you know they were gonna be able to stop him or kill him beforehand. The impact of him getting it and then the following episodes, it just didn't feel like there was much there. Like we to me, that final fight, you could have told me he never got it, and I would have been like, yeah, that looks the same. He fought really well. He's really he's incredibly strong, took a bunch of soups to take him down. But at the end of the day, did it really it didn't seem like it changed his his strength or any of it had a real impact on the strength?

SPEAKER_00 13:08

I think he was stronger in that fight, but again, it it it just didn't you couldn't really feel that he did it. Yeah. Right? It just felt again, man. I uh it just all felt and fell a little flat. Just a little flat, a little lukewarm. I mean, we should, I mean, we've been criticizing it, and I I we should talk about what we did like. I did like how it was all televised. I thought that was really cool. Like the the camera falling over and and and also showing it to the the the church people. Like it was like, oh, and it's live and it kept on playing. Um I do like the that Butcher had that crowbar, because that is directly from the comic. And I think this is what we nice, we should talk about the comic ending because I've been tit I've been like teasing that to you a little, how the comics ended. So in the comic book version of the ending, and I the I've only seen a couple of things. I'm not quite sure on this, but I don't think Butcher ever gets powers. I think that Homelander isn't like impenetrable or like like he anyway, anyway. Homelander meets Butcher in the Oval Office, like, and he's holding the head of the president in the comic book strip, and Butcher's like, you know, you killed my wife, you did this, and Homelander's like confused. He's like, What the hell? No, I didn't do any of that stuff. But then Black Noir walks in and takes off his hood, and it's a clone of Homelander. Oh and and but the Black Noir, the Homelander clone or Black Noir is stronger than Homelander. It's like a it's like an insurance policy.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

So all all the horrible shit that Home Homelander has been doing has actually just been Black Noir doing it. Like, don't get me wrong, Homelander's still doing awful things. But like the really diabolical stuff has been Black Noir. Um that's a cool twist. Yeah, it is a cool twist, and that's why I thought in this, I thought that that's what would happen here with the Black Noir, and then he's dead, whatever. But um, and then in the in the comic, they Homelander fights Black Noir, and I think gets like pretty badly wounded. And uh I think oh no, I hope Black Noir's Homelander kills real real Homelander, and then Butcher takes the crowbar and sticks it in his eye and like like twists it out the his forehead. Like it's really pretty gruesome.

SPEAKER_02 15:57

They they gave a pretty direct um callback to that then, with the way that he did die in the show. I mean the crowbar. Okay. Well, that's I think it's a it's certainly a bigger twist in the comics than what we got in the show. But um I can understand if they wanted to get away from that direction. That's that's well dude.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

It gets it gets really dark after that. Butcher then kills all of the boys. He kills MM, Frenchie, Kimiko, and Huey, like in the comics series. Like the the the comics, I I I you know, I recommend you to read a lot of shit. Yeah. I've been told not to read the comics, and I've I haven't read I haven't read them. Uh-huh. So I could be wrong on a lot of these details, but from what I've seen, it's it's really, really dark. Sounds like it. But going back to to Butcher, also his his death was also just a little like, okay. It would have been better if he died fighting Homelander.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

I thought so too. I really thought he was gonna go out die. I really, really thought he was gonna die fighting Homelander. I was I was I would have bet a lot on that. Um I I it's funny, I was talking, I think I've told you before, my my dad likes this show a lot, and I had a phone call with my dad just to hear get his thoughts on the finale and stuff like that. Sure. And um we both were saying we didn't we didn't dislike what they did. I almost would have liked if they had taken that final episode and the plot and kind of blown it up and done one episode dedicated to the Homelander finale, maybe in seven, and then eight being sort of the fallout and Butcher's ending. I just feel like it might not have rushed might be too strong of a word, but it that's close. Like it felt a little bit rushed to me. Like having all of that in the finale, in an hour-long finale. Uh I really feel like they could have done a little bit more justice to the build-up by breaking it out into two different episodes and giving enough screen time and and doing it justice, you know, giving each each one its own episode, and then that might have felt like it had a little bit more weight to it. Does that you know what I'm trying to say there? I I had a lot of scenes that I felt like we didn't need in uh one of the things that another part that we talked about was um the the scene with Homelander and his son, like in the beginning of the final episode where he's like did that do we need that scene where he goes to him and he's like, Hey, you can come live with me? It's like we already knew they were not really squared away. Like, did that advance the plot enough to have a advance in the finale?

SPEAKER_00 18:33

Maybe it was a reminder. Like maybe it was like that on the preview. Yeah, I don't know, man. You're so right. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

I didn't feel like did it deserve five minutes in the in the final episode? I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 18:48

No, I yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

Yeah, man. It's hard. You're right, all this. It it is really hard. I'll say you you brought up a good point talking about the things that we enjoyed. I will say, overall, it's a really hard thing to write a great ending to a an awesome show like this. I don't claim to be able to do it, so I get the easy job of sitting here with you and picking it apart and saying all the things that we didn't like. I recognize this. This one is better. I recognize it's really, really hard to put a bow on a show like this that's had years of of success and a lot of buildup and a lot of love. It's really hard to wrap things up in a clean way and a neat way that's gonna make a huge part of the audience happy. I know that's really, really hard. But uh at the same time, when you've set this excellent standard that they have um of writing throughout the show, it's an unavoidable circumstance that people are gonna expect it in the end too, you know? And I just don't know if they delivered the way that I thought they would.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

Uh again, it was fine. Like it's this lukewarm ending. But you know what's so funny? The act the ending ending with Huey and Starlight, like with the Billy Joel playing and the piano man, I'm a sucker for that shit, dude. I loved that.

SPEAKER_02 20:13

I don't know if I was you can read my screen. I would love to I know my second to last note is best part of the finale was piano man with Billy Joel. Honestly, dude.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

That's that was a fantastic choice. First of all, I mean it's also but it also is like a reference to the very first episode where you and and he's sitting on the curb, if you notice that. They're standing on the curb, and then she's clearly very pregnant. And it was it was a happy, it was much happier than I expected it to be, and that was nice. Like the fact that it was wholesome. Huey lived, Starlight lived, MM lived, Kimiko lived, Ryan lived, Ashley lived, Voldemort lived.

SPEAKER_02 21:01

I know. That's another when you were gonna talk about things we liked. I have a note of Ashley's Ashley's turn there. Um her character art coming all the way around and the and the Voldemort head helping her in the end. Uh that was a big bitch. Big big uh applause from me there. I thought Ashley's story actually overall was was great, was really well written. And that's that ending, like to a to a character like that, I thought was masterclass. I thought it was beautiful. I I loved it. Yeah. I I loved her She's like, I'm just gonna do the right thing now. Finally, yeah. Yeah. I thought that was great. She got away with it. She got away. She got away with it. She got away with it. And they didn't, but they didn't spend too long on it. You know, it was just like perfect. She came in when she was needed, helped them get to him, and and that was it. It was perfect.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

The funniest part about that was like the um she's announcing like her administration or whatever. And then it was like the first female president has been impeached today. Almost, and it's like an instant sort of jump cut to her. Impeachment. And it's like, oh yeah, she didn't uh she didn't last long. And that was like the end of her storyline. She was over. Um, I was surprised that Sage lived. She just went to Harry Potter World. Talk about someone who has done some of the most evil stuff in the show, got away with it. But I guess that's part of this show, is that there like Stan Edgar lived. Like the there's no justice really. I mean, we got justice for Homelander, but that's like that's to be expected. Also, superheroes clearly still exist. The problem hasn't really gone away. You know what I mean? Homelander is just gone. It's just like this is just gonna happen again.

SPEAKER_02 22:42

And that's I think the maybe some of the best parts of the Butcher ending writing is that he still has a great point that it is that have they really solved the problem? Is there not just not gonna be another like version of Homelander that comes along at some point in the near future? Who's to say? But it does feel like that's a very real possibility.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

So just going back to Butcher's death, it's just like a little I mean, again, we've just keep referencing this statement. It's just a little lukewarm, you know.

SPEAKER_02 23:15

Can I can I ask you a question really quickly? Yeah because I have not looked it up on purpose, and I actually wanted to get like your raw reaction. What is his final line to Huey? You you really are just a little you are you really are a little I have the words spittle-in-y, because that's the best like phonetic spelling that I could you he says something, you really are uh something, and I believe that's his final line, Josh, or very dear near close to it, and I have no fucking clue what he said.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

It might be like uh something with his brother. Maybe also also, dude, butcher has a very heavy Cockney accent.

SPEAKER_02 23:58

He does. I know he does. I think that might have been the point. It might have been like to be funny because you still can't really fully understand what he's saying. And it also very well could have been a callback to an earlier um like episode, maybe from the beginning. So that's why I purposely didn't look it up because I actually wanted to know like, did you know what he said? Yeah, I didn't know. And I did not know.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

I I no, I did not. Speaking of his voice though, and like how he talks, talk about Huey doing did you hear him mimicking Butcher when they were running in the White?

SPEAKER_02 24:30

When they're running in the f in the steam and stuff, yeah, dude. Great impression.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

It was perfect. It was so good. I almost looked it up to see if it was like a voiceover. Yeah. But it was so good that I was like, that is that you know, Carl Urban saying that? Because it was so accurate. Um one thing we didn't talk about was the oh father death.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

Well, that was a classic boys. That was a good, that was a class. That was another thing I I liked a decent amount. That was a very classic boys' death. Um where he died by like he his mouth. Like the vice that, or whatever, not even vice, but like, you know, the the thing that was the his like deep dark pleasure was the thing that killed him in the what is it, titanium ball gap? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. It can't just it's indestructible, is how she like shows it to him. She's like, Yeah, it won't explode with screaming.

SPEAKER_00 25:27

You were right about the comic gore. Dude, sometimes the boy is really funny, like the how the gore looks. It's it's just head head's just popping off everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

Um it happens so fast. It happens so fast. So fast. It catches you off guard, but it's not like a jump scare. It's just like a, you know, it it it makes you laugh. I don't know. It was I I still liked that. I thought that was a a nice um that made it feel like the the the show that we love. I actually I I said when I was talking earlier, um I said that I felt like for a second the boys forgot what show it was for with the finale. And you explained that, yeah. Yeah. So I just um I think the scene that I was really circling in on was where Kimiko is uh about to blast Homelander in that final fight, and she like hesitates uh and then sees the vision of Frenchie. And I guess I just didn't really understand what was going on in that scene. Uh two things. One, I was pretty set on the fact that Kimiko was like hell bent on killing Homelander because she lost Frenchie, he was the one that killed Frenchie. Why is she having this like pause when it's go time to like wait, Jeff?

SPEAKER_00 26:47

It's not anger, monkey. It is love.

SPEAKER_02 26:52

Yes, thank you. Well done. Well done. We'll clap for you guys. Thank you. Uh I felt like A, I didn't really understand what was going on in that scene. And B, the boys You didn't care? I the boys just like doesn't need to do that like sentimental stuff as much as it did, especially in those moments. Um, I just felt like that was a little bit overdone and also didn't really make sense with where her head was at in the plot and all of that. I just didn't get it. That's why I say that's why I use the phrase, I felt like it forgot what show it was for a second, because it was like that I could have seen that in other shows that I've watched, and don't get me wrong, I like them, but I just didn't think that was the like place for it in this show.

SPEAKER_00 27:32

You know, it's like, yeah, what is the scene doing here? If they were to have if they were to do that again the way I would want it to kind of be done, it would have to be very quick.

SPEAKER_01 27:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

Like maybe, maybe, like, maybe she falls down and like her phone falls out of her pocket and it's a quick picture of Frenchie, like a quick one. Like, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:54

Just a quick reminder for us, because we don't need the whole like he's in the room with me. You know, dude. That's how it's like. Maybe that's also because we've seen scenes like that a thousand times. Like, yeah. Other TV shows and movies do that shit all the time. And at this point, we're like, all right, guys, like we've seen this shit before, and it's not quite as impactful as I wanted it to be.

SPEAKER_02 28:25

Yeah, part of part of why we like the boys is because it's different, because it's a breath of fresh air from the other shows that kind of spend a little more time on that type of scene. This was always a refresher, uh a breath of fresh air to me because it it was okay with being different. It was okay with being a a new take on a lot of these like concepts. And I just felt like tropes, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It was like, all right, we this this is not the show that you are.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

Like, what what are we doing here? Can we talk about your favorite characters, Demise? I hoped we would. I hoped we would. I Starlight finally, dude. Also Starlight's powers kind of suck.

SPEAKER_02 29:06

Like it's just inconsistent as fuck, dude. I don't get it. That's like w why is she fighting by hand for a lot? They're like having a boxing match when they're both soups.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

Yeah, dude, she's a powerful flashlight. I don't really know what it she does. It's fine. I like her a lot. Like the character's great, but the powers I've I just don't. What are you doing here? But flying with the deep to a beach, and then I what he says something. What does he say? He's like, bro, I can't. I know you and like she tries to save him. Yeah, she does. I mean, he was always a loss of the game. Give me the seven. Well, I mean, dude, I I still love the four things I said about him. He's an asshole, a pussy. What else did I say? A sellout.

SPEAKER_02 29:57

He's an idiot. Um and an idiot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:01

Homelander's gonna give me the seven, bro. Why? The seven doesn't exist anymore, man. Like you should have noticed that a long time ago. And then launching him into the water, getting wrapped up by, I mean, I guess a giant squid. That's why, yeah, I think so. And then dying the same way that director died, but with an eel tentacle. I don't even want to think about the intricacies of that death. No, it was it was any arms in the air, slowly sinking down. Oh, it was great. Oh, it was so good. He deserved it though, dude. He's totally deserved it. And I mean, Annie tried, she tried.

SPEAKER_02 30:42

Yeah. And he still had they still what I appreciated the most is they still gave him a great line in the finale because when he comes in in the very beginning and he's talking to O Father and he's like, not your call, Prophet Rohamed. I I was like, this is great. At least they gave him one more hilariously stupid line in the in the end just to make me laugh one more time. I liked that.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

So he loves doing the show. Like the deep is such a good character. He's so funny. He is, it's so funny. And um, and then but then we actually get Homelander telling him, dude, you are a sycophantic piece of shit. I hate you. The only reason I haven't killed you yet is I don't even know what what Homelander said, but he just was like, I I just can't stand you. Get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_02 31:30

Yeah, it was it was uh kind of what we saw. I think uh we all saw it coming. We knew that the deep was incredibly dispensable to Homelander. He just happened to make it to the end, um, but it was never gonna be a great ending for the deep. So uh I give uh uh I thought the writing of the character was great. I really enjoyed him through the whole thing and seeing him go out in a pretty gruesome way in the water in his actual environment. He loved. Yeah, was like, yep. All right, also done.

SPEAKER_00 32:00

Question for you. Is that the first time we've seen him swim?

SPEAKER_02 32:04

Oh. I don't know. Is it? I feel like there'd be there have to have been some scenes where he's in the water. I mean, he wrote up on the shark, right? Or can he I guess are you saying like can he actually swim?

unknown 32:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:17

I don't know. I'd have to re-watch to see, but there's a great chance that he didn't. I mean, he doesn't spend a ton of time in the water anyway. A lot of his scenes are on the land.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

Um he's never in the water.

SPEAKER_02 32:26

He isn't in for a being in for being an aquatic-based soup, we don't see him do a lot of things in the water. No. Uh but maybe that's supposed to be kind of the funny, like the irony of it.

SPEAKER_00 32:36

My my last thing I I want to talk to you about before we give our final thoughts is the did you see the Elon Musk character that Homelander kills? The guy. You know, he's talking to O Father, the billionaire.

SPEAKER_02 32:52

Yeah, then he flies up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, sorry, yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

You said he was an astronaut.

SPEAKER_02 32:57

Yeah, I took him to space.

SPEAKER_00 32:59

Yeah. And it's so obviously Elon Musk, too. It's like, oh, he's got like 17 children. Oh, yeah. One of the kids' names is like a computer code. Um, you're right. And well, he wore that. If you look at Elon Musk, he wore that like black hat, and the character did the same thing. Um yeah, I and and also again, I think we talked about this. That's the only person Homelander kills the whole episode. He doesn't snap, he doesn't do anything crazy. Yeah, yeah. His address though was pretty his address to the nation was pretty good. But again, then it's that's just it. There's no consequences to that where the people are like, oh shit. Like, this is getting bad.

unknown 33:42

Right.

SPEAKER_02 33:42

There's none of that. That was yeah. I I I again I really was uh was kind of looking forward to some fireworks or a crescendo type of moment in the finale. And like I said, I I think they made an attempt at it, but it really didn't feel like it had the same gravity that I was looking for.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

What would you rate the finale then out of ten? And because me right now, it's like a seven.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

Good. It was good. Yeah, I would I would be pretty closely aligned with what I think it has online. I would probably go around a six, maybe six and a half if I really I'd have to sit back and and let this one digest a little bit more before I gave it a full rating, but I don't think it's getting above six and a half, somewhere around there.

SPEAKER_00 34:23

Yeah, I agree. I and it's unfortunate too. Because I and one of my questions for you at the end, it's like, do you think the boys will be remembered in 10, 20 years? I think it will. I think its satire and parody are that strong that I think people wa watching it again in 10, 15, 20 years will be like, oh wow, that was kind of happening at the time because it's so close to what we're going through here, just through that superhero lens, that I wonder if it will stick. It'll be a very cultural moment now, right?

SPEAKER_02 35:03

Yeah. I I I tend to agree with you. I think um it was uh such a powerful show for so long that I can't imagine that it's forgotten, and I think it would probably hold up as well. I I'm excited to do a rewatch. I think I'm gonna let it breathe for a little while, but I think I will try a rewatch at some point. Um because there are so many fantastic episodes throughout over the years that we've gotten over these five seasons, that I think um so much fun about the boys. The boys could be so much fun. Yeah, it it's it's a really, really fun show. I don't think since it really was kind of the only like the final two episodes that fell a little bit flat, I think that it's not enough to detract from the show as a whole that I will go like I I think people will remember it. I I'll be really interested, you know, um, in 10, 15 years to see if people show referencing it and things like that.

SPEAKER_00 35:59

We already discussed Game of Thrones's finale and how dude the Game of Thrones finale was so bad that people for people no one talked about it after. Like everyone was like, this was garbage. And then it it I think it's funny now, it's finding like a bit of it's being revitalized a little bit. I've seen people online watching it because I mean we forget the first four seasons of Game of Thrones are perfect TV. So now it's like getting it's kind of you know flowers again, I guess. But I think with the boys being a lukewarm ending and not necessarily uh just a god-awful terrible one, I think it will be remembered. I think it will be one of those that will certainly go down as a as a great show. Yeah. And also it's because of Homelander. It's Homelander. It's it and honestly, I I I say that 80% of it is Homelander.

SPEAKER_02 36:56

I I was gonna say in terms of final thoughts here, um, talking positively, because I like to end on a positive note, uh talking about the things that we liked. And I would really give a ton of credit to Anthony Starr and uh Carl Urban for their performances. I mean, uh the rest are great as well. I just those are the two that really I wanted to make sure we said something about because um For the leads. I mean, kinda. For the two leads, really. Yeah, I mean, Homelander's character is iconic and one of the most incredibly portrayed villains, I think, of any show. You've said this before. He may go down as 20. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:32

I really I can I he's up there with like Darth Vader. Like that's how recognizable, scary. And dude, the memes. The memes, I know. So many memes of Homelander. And I I honestly judge a character or a show if it has a lot of memes, people fucking love it.

SPEAKER_02 37:54

Well, it's making an impact because it means that there are scenes that are are you know uh iconic and and that represent everyday like scenarios that people can use in conversation. It it is. Um, and it also means that it's resonating with a large audience because people have to recognize a meme for it to be like in mainstream media, right? So Yeah, and it's so memeable. The whole show is memeable. It is, the whole show is memeable, and I think a lot of that is the writing is great, but also also uh Anthony Starr's portrayal of Homelander, and then also Carl Urban as butcher. I mean, Carl Urban, I don't know. I was actually gonna uh I know we're we're running out of time here, but I I wanted to ask you about Carl Urban's kind of like career. Uh I saw something on Instagram earlier that was highlighting a bunch of his like iconic roles. And honestly, dude, you didn't know US A. O. Mayor and Lord of the Rings? It's roles like that that I'm like, oh, of course that's Carl Urban, but he has such a range of characters that he's played and looks too. Like, not you know, he looks so different in Lord of the Rings than he does in this. Uh, I mean, uh, you know, that happens, but it's pretty impressive the different characters he's played. He's he was in Marvel. I mean, he played in the you remember the game you love Doom. He played in the Doom movie. Like he's been in these just very different roles. He's always kind of a badass, of course, but um he's got a great range of here's uh Jud Judge Dredd, I think. Yes, that's right. That was another one. I haven't seen that, but that was another one from the real that I saw.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

Yep. Yep. Yeah, man. He's fantastic, and Anthony Starr is going to get something. I really hope he gets an Emmy nomination for this because he deserves best supporting actor. And that I don't think he's received anything for this. And I it it's gonna he again we we keep going back to this. Homelander is such an iconic villain. It's he's so good. He's so good that it's this show is not gonna be forgotten anytime soon because of how good Homelander is. And I think that that I think that's probably a nice little way to end. And I'm sad it's over. And I know we were kind of criticizing the finale, but it's mostly because we know how good it can be, and we just wanted it to really, really end on that high note, and it ended fine. It wasn't amazing, but it ended fine. And I I'm gonna miss the show, man. Like I really am gonna miss it because it is it was such a fun ride and just so ridiculous and surprising, shocking, and disgusting, and like they said they love to say, diabolical. It's all of these things. And to have that be done now, I'm I'm I'm a little I'm a little upset. It's okay though. No, I'm sad.

SPEAKER_02 40:42

I'm gonna miss it too, dude. I'm gonna miss it too, because it was one that um it always did a great job of holding your attention. It was it was action-packed. You said it great. It's it was shocking. I mean, it was it was a wild throw ride of a show, and I am gonna miss I am gonna miss watching it for the first time. But I do think you're right. I think it will live on. I think it's iconic enough and memeable enough that uh it's not going away anytime soon. I'm really interested to see sort of as um future fans of like comics and superhero themes kind of come into, you know, getting exposed to a show like The Boys, how is it received?

SPEAKER_00 41:16

Yeah, I I completely agree. All right. Well, I think that that's a great place to end. So we will catch you guys later. See ya.