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Lanterns S1 E5: Lights Out
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Jeff genuinely thought he was watching the finale by accident. He wasn't. But this was, hands down, the best episode of Lanterns so far, and the first time we both actually felt the urgency.
Zoe is dead. Will Macon is dead. The whole town is basically wiped out. And somehow the goodbye scene between them landed even though we didn't care about Will three episodes ago. Turns out he spent his entire life hiding her, learning her language and backstory well enough to impersonate her as a decoy, fully knowing it wouldn't fool anyone who checked for a heartbeat. That's love, apparently. Or something.
We're still not totally sure who the good guys are here, which might be the show's whole point. There's an "alien hit squad" (Josh's words, not the show's), a former lover of Zoe's who couldn't conceive with her, Guardians who call an entire failed civilization "a mistake," and a small town that's apparently just an armed militia loyal to Zoe because she heals everyone and nobody there gets sick. We counted the factions out loud on mic and lost track somewhere around six.
Also covered: the funniest scene of the season (Hal fake-flirting his way into an alien squad by claiming he and Will "did a lot of coitus"), the genuinely great green-goggles action sequence, Hal using the ring to protect John mid-fistfight (a small moment that tells you everything about who he actually is underneath the bitterness), and John rejecting the ring at the end, which might be the season's real turning point disguised as a throwaway beat.
Then we went down a full Green Lantern lore rabbit hole neither of us saw coming, including the exact year the character was created, how many Lanterns exist across the whole Corps, and the full color spectrum of lantern rings, up to and including a literal Sorrow Lantern powered by a man whose fiancée left him at the altar. We did not make that up. Also, some fun Batman easter eggs buried in this episode that make us wonder how connected this DC universe actually is.
Stick around to the end, because Josh's rapid-fire lantern color rankings are genuinely one of the funniest tangents we've recorded.
Hello, everybody. Welcome to Too Much TV. Today we're talking about Lanterns season one, episode five. And Jeff, it's it's this is better. We're finally sort of, you know, picking it up here. Opposition for my mic by right here. Well, there's finally some action. Yeah, and a lot of it. I will say, I'm not I'm kind of struggling to know who's on whose side anymore. I don't know about you, but like the alien hit squad. Why did Hal lead him off the wrong direction? Was it maybe two birds, one stone by doing that and sending him to what's his name? Will Macon? Sending him there. And then is the Manhunter bad? Like I don't am I dumb or am I just I don't think you're dumb.
SPEAKER_03I was kind of confused about the whole thing as it was playing out. Um I don't know for sure. It's I mean the um Guardians call it like a mistake. The the man making the Manhunters? Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Because I guess it turned out bad, but I still don't really fully get like the history behind that yet.
SPEAKER_01Right? Are we I I wonder if it's like we're not versed in comic book sort of lore.
SPEAKER_03That's what I felt like. I felt like I was being told a story and like I should appreciate the backstory and I'm not getting it yet, which is kind of frustrating because it feels like there's these moments where I'm like, it's this should be like heavy. Like, you know, when when Zoe's talking about like um who did she kill? She killed the one, I guess, the member of the Guardians.
unknownRight?
SPEAKER_03I think so. Is that what she's able to? The Abu, whatever his name was. When when John is saying, like John is saying, like, you killed this person, and I gotta get the name. Um, because otherwise you would be worried that they would have a change of heart and like give away your location, you know. Sure. Let them know you're in hiding. And then she killed this individual who can you pull up the name while I or can I find it? Um that felt like a moment where it was like, oh wow, like she killed them, and that's why she's hidden here. But I still I just felt like I was lacking some like I needed to read some further context. Like you were saying, the comic books or something, I would have gotten these moments more.
SPEAKER_01I'm seeing a I'm seeing a Reddit post here and it says What exactly is the problem with Zoe and the Manhunter?
SPEAKER_03Like what's what's the issue? Yeah, no, it's it's it's a I like it because it's right to your point, and it's like, who's the bad guys here? Like, what did Zoe do? That's I mean, I guess the idea is um from what's his name? Uh sorry, now I'm I'm names are killing me here, but it's Anton. Anton. Um the the the vigilant, the guys who are hunting the man. Yeah, the the alien like hunter squad. Yes. Who we now realize Anton was partners with Zoe romantically, right? Because he's saying, like, what was the last thing that I said? All this like why what were the name of our kids?
SPEAKER_01And was it our kids or was it like her kids? Did I not did I miss that scene? Well then then he says we couldn't conceive. But then that he could also be like, we as in me and my partner couldn't, like, or manhunters in general couldn't conceive. Oh. Do you know what?
SPEAKER_03It could be. I took it as they were former lovers. That's I don't know. Okay. But this is the whole point that we're saying, right? We're going back and forth and we're like, what's going on?
SPEAKER_01Like, we're not dumb, but this show has made me feel like I don't get it. Yeah. And maybe at and maybe it's just because like the first couple episodes, I mean, four episodes, was just a little, a little slow. And let's be perfectly honest, not the most interesting TV I've ever seen. I'm I like I liked it, but it's not like I was super excited to watch the next episode. So maybe we're just kind of like it's been a lukewarm experience, so we're just not really putting in the effort to figure out what's going on.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's fair. Like there are shows where I'll go and try to research the backstory without getting spoilers, so just so I can understand more of like the lore. I haven't done that with this one. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So I I don't know. But the problem is with like any superhero thing, right? Is that it's always there's always just so much with superheroes. There's there's always like, if you look up Green Lantern right now, the Wikipedia page is like a mile long. Yeah. You're just gonna still be reading the whole time, right?
SPEAKER_03Because the character's been around for so many years and they've come up with so many stories. Yeah, I would love to know that. Look that look that up. Like, when when was the concept of the Green Lantern, like the character of the Green Lantern created? I'm looking it up. Uh do you want to guess? Oh, this no, no, because this will I don't know. I I always get these fucked up with like when like it was Superman. When was Superman?
SPEAKER_01Superman was uh 1939. So yeah, I was gonna put something in the 60s, and that's yeah, now that's in the Well, that's when I think that's when superheroes really took off, was in the 60s.
SPEAKER_03Why did I think superheroes were like uh like a um like a war propaganda thing to like make us Oh they were?
SPEAKER_01I mean they absolutely were.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I guess that date makes more sense then. Okay.
SPEAKER_01I mean, bro, Captain America. Yeah. Come on. He literally punches Hitler in the face. Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_03All right, yeah. Never mind. That does make a lot of sense.
SPEAKER_01And I think Superman, there's definitely an image of Superman like join the war effort.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01That's what I thought. I thought it was all things kind of based around that. All right, well, give me give me an estimate then for Green Lantern.
SPEAKER_03Well, you said Superman was 30s, 1939?
SPEAKER_01I think Superman was 39.
SPEAKER_03Well, then I would imagine Green Lantern wasn't that far behind, so 48. 40. Bro, 1940. Oh, okay. Green Lantern got on the scene not long after Superman. I'm actually pretty surprised about like how early that is. Well, there you go for the freaking Wikipedia page, dude.
SPEAKER_01That's why it's a mile long, because they've had 80 years to Oh, incorrect about Superman. Superman's 1938. I was off by a year. Okay. All right, dude.
SPEAKER_03Well, I'm still giving you full credit, 99%. Um, but it's been around for freaking 85 years. Like, no wonder there's a mile long because the stories are endless. Like Yeah. Um But anyway, getting back to this episode a little bit, uh my can I tell you just my very first impression of like towards towards the end? Yeah, give it to me. I had to look up how many episodes were in this season because I was like, am I watching the fucking finale? Is the finale? Is this the finale right now? Dude, there's three left. I I looked it up and it said eight, and then I'm still watching it and I'm like, no, this is the fucking finale. Like what they they they they missed. I thought they messed it up and they like published the last one. On accident. Oh my god, we missed so much. It's like, no, this is it. Like, this is the end. What are we talking about? Zoe's dead. You know what I mean? Making dead.
SPEAKER_01I I think now they're gonna completely focus on the Hal and John sort of conflict. Because it seemed to go kind of both ways here. John helped Hal, Hal helped John a little bit, but both simultaneously being a little selfish. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I I thought it was a yeah, it was a really funny episode to watch that back and forth because they were really key moments. Like the one that comes to mind immediately is Hal using the ring to protect both of them when the blast is coming in. Very key moment to notice, okay, they they literally just fought and they are in the midst of fighting. John has him in a has Hal in a choke, yeah, and Hal still uses the ring to protect both of them. I think that's a pretty telling moment towards the, you know, when you get to the real root of things, um w where where Hal's, you know, intentions are or his feelings are. He's not a bad person to the core.
SPEAKER_01You know, I I agree, and I I think we still haven't seen his full backstory. Like we don't know why he was sort of his bitterness is there. I mean, we got another version of him like that earlier, the century version, which is ten a ten-year younger version of him, who seems like very chipper and happy, and he's like, Oh, I where's John Lica? Yeah. It's just like what happened to cause this issue. What I think is gonna happen now is that I think this storyline with it within this small town, I think that's gonna be mostly over because Will Macon is dead.
SPEAKER_00Zoe's dead.
SPEAKER_01Wiped the heck out. Yeah. The town is destroyed. I think this is gonna be the catalyst moment for expanding the universe.
SPEAKER_03You must be right. You must be right, because they really don't have much they they don't really have anywhere to go in the town at this point. Like the town storyline is played out.
SPEAKER_01I mean, the town Well, the only thing is the the sheriff. Right. But what else is she gonna do? And well, well, actually, you know what, dude? Um Hal being frozen in the stands. That's that's the only other thing.
SPEAKER_03You're right. You're right. I think our story has to come back to the town, but it doesn't and by the way, that theory that you shared uh is wrong. Wait, which one? The one about I thought it was Hal being a manhunter. No, no, no, no, no. The one where um Oh, wait, yeah. I okay. Did we talk about one where it was also the what's the projection thing? They're not the sentry. The sentry is the one. Yeah. On the oh I don't know, but that was that I I don't know if we talked about that or if I read that somewhere. I was like Interesting. Well, yeah. Or maybe that was just one I was thinking could be. I don't know. I think the town is gonna end up being like maybe towards the end of the story that we see, because obviously it's 10 years in the future from from the timeline that we're watching play out. So maybe think somehow it kind of comes back to the town with you know potentially Hal's final resting place and like why is he there? But I don't know. I don't know. Um I thought overall, like I said, I thought this was a great uh uh sort of a breath of fresh air for an episode because it was like, wow, we're getting it's like stuff's happening. Finally, finally, and it was pretty brutal, man. Yeah, I have a few notes where I'm like, that was a rough scene, the ripping out the heart scenes, both. I mean, he's like, oh, he omitted.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_03Dude, but yeah, I mean, just like the the tearing the chest open was like, wow, we're just all right, we're going right for it here. And you know, their final goodbyes were interesting. I loved that, man. That was probably if I were to rank like quality of scenes. That final goodbye, I have noted that too. I was like, that was one of the best, just from a from like an artistic standpoint. For me, that was one of my favorite scenes. I was like, Yeah. Wow, for characters that I I mean, especially uh Will Macon, I was like, I don't really care about this dude, he's a really weird dude, but somehow that good.
SPEAKER_01We got a bit more now. We understand him a bit better. She saved him. No wonder they're together. Oh, yeah, protecting her. It makes complete sense.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I still don't really get him getting sketched with his dick out. Um, but that maybe that's just his weird thing, man. That being aside, weird. That being aside, he seemed like a fine guy because he realized, oh my god, so much of his life has been kind of dedicated to hiding her, and also he's fully prepared to sacrifice himself to the point of playing the part enough to learn her like language and the backstory enough to like imitate her. Which, by the way, question for you, she had to know that wasn't gonna work because of the heart thing. So he was literally just a diversion. Yeah, decoy.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01All those defenses didn't do shit.
SPEAKER_02Against like non like these people that Anton is uh they are aliens, right? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01They're suicid Bro, they're ISIS aliens. They blow themselves up.
SPEAKER_02Do they have to run them like suicide like bombers? Well, yeah, and just like couldn't they I don't know, just be like a diverse group of dudes rather than like Oh, were they all Middle Eastern?
SPEAKER_01I guess I didn't pick up on that.
SPEAKER_03It just kind of looks like they are, and it's like, couldn't you just pick like a diverse group?
SPEAKER_01You're an alien, like you're just expecting them to yell out Al Akbar, halfway through.
SPEAKER_03Like, why do we need the visual of this? Like, why can't we just make them like it's a one white dude and a black dude and like little close to home here, fellas?
SPEAKER_01No way, the aliens they had to blend in.
SPEAKER_02I was just like, can we do anything different here?
SPEAKER_03But no, like it was way too all right. Anyway, anyway.
SPEAKER_01Well, they they talked about she talks about um why she picked the the the image that she did. And my favorite quote was uh the fastest way of understanding a culture is to start with a disadvantage. Yeah. And I was like, that's a pretty that's a pretty good line. There was also that really funny homosexual speech with with Hal.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's in my notes too. I thought that was really funny. The like they pick the alpha of the group, and he's like, uh, oh, no, yeah, that's yeah, we that's me. We we coitus a lot.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we did a lot of coinas. It's like, oh, okay. Hal, you know, Hal is pretty on his feet most of the time. Like he's not deterred by much, but that he was a little like you you could see him hesitate there for a second. He's like, Am I gonna admit to being gay here? Just for the pride. Yeah, he's like, okay, yeah, I'm just gonna go with this. I'm Lou is sending this guy to his death anyway. I think he also did it. Sending him up in that little tornado above the sky. Amazing.
SPEAKER_03No, that was cool. That was cool. Like we were kind of talking about in episodes before, we were like, the ring's gonna, like, he's gonna use the ring. He's gonna really use the ring. They upped it. And he flew a lot more. He flew the shields. By the way, how trigger finger on the ring, pretty freaking sweet. Like when they are shooting at him in the diner and it's instantly snaps that thing up, like the shield. Yeah. You're like, okay, yeah. Like you kind of get to appreciate the ring's power a little bit more in this episode, didn't you think?
SPEAKER_01Well, I think I was right in my prediction that we were gonna slowly get more and more. Like in the first episode, they gave us a little bit. Yeah. And then like episodes two and three, almost nothing. And then, you know, four a bit more, and then five, like completely. Yeah. Let's just keep going. Um I have a question for you about the town. Okay. The whole town went on lockdown? The town was shooting who? The alien people? Like who was who were they f or were they fighting Hal?
SPEAKER_03No, no, no, no. I think the town was going I think it was Anton's crew coming. Sure.
SPEAKER_01How big is Anton's crew?
SPEAKER_03How big is Anton's crew? Uh I think we saw them pretty much. I think that was I think they just wiped out those like townspeople to go into the diner and wait. I think it was basically like I I think the town, that's kind of the funny and kind of cool, I guess, element of the town is like it's just a big militia, I guess. Like basically everyone is loyal to them, I guess. Loyal to Zoe. Zoe and Will. Yes, yes, yes. That's what I'm thinking is that Zoe came into the town, saved them, saved them, fixed a bunch of shit. They're not they don't get all like the tech. They don't get sick. Like, yeah, no, this hospital, like there's nobody in there. They don't get sick. She heals them, like all this alien tech can just like heal anything. Because clearly, I mean we gotta talk about John and the fire, but keep going. Yeah, we no, but I mean, so if you think about Zoe is kind of like a what is the phrase? Is it like demigod? What's the thing where it's like that it's like a lesser god, but they're still seeing it as like, yeah, demigod like where it's kind of just like, oh, this thing, this alien thing has like created almost like a sanctuary of our town, so why the heck wouldn't everyone, you know, work to defend it? Yeah, be loyal to her.
SPEAKER_01Okay. I mean, I guess that makes sense. I guess I was just kind of confused at who they were fighting. But I guess they were fighting the Anton's crew. But then how could they tell who whatever.
SPEAKER_03I agree, because it is weird. Why did why did why were they fighting and then the death um amber alert, the death amber alert, whatever it's called? Yeah, then it goes out and it's like, oh, now it's time to kill Hal. So I guess they were on alert before they had the alarms going off because aliens were coming. Dude, maybe maybe I should have watched this episode twice. Is this one that we might maybe should have given a second watch? Yeah, we usually watch episodes twice. I have only been watching these episodes once. Yeah. This one I only got to watch once. And I yeah, I agree. Maybe this was one that but anyway, I still think it was cool. I I'm still sticking by everything I said. I I think in general, um, it was the best one of the of the series so far. Um but let's talk about let's talk about John too, because John. So we so we see the aftermath of the ending scene to last episode, right? We see the car.
SPEAKER_01I was very surprised that when it blew up and he was stuck in it.
SPEAKER_03It was a cool little like jump scare because it was like, you're just of course he's gonna get out. Here comes Zoe, here comes Zoe to get him out of the car. And unless he's gonna you know, crisp up. Which is honestly kind of freaking badass as an alien that can heal people to know like, hey, you like I'm if I'm gonna like manipulate you and influence you, how about I let you burn to death basically almost, and then and now I'll bring you back. Like it was I think it was to show it was to show this power that she has.
SPEAKER_01That's what I mean. So earn his loyalty. Right. Or or at least like try to make an effort to how she has earned a loyalty of everyone else.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but that's that's why it's such a like that's why I think the scene is so cool, because it's like, oh, you know, you want me to help you? How about you like burn alive for just a minute or two? And then let's see. Oh, now I'll fix you. So I don't know. It was a what what a cool power to like hold over people.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so let's let's finish up with John because my question is, why did he shoot her? Mark, I still don't quite understand the threat of the manhunter.
SPEAKER_03Okay, I have to keep coming back to the vision that Anton showed him, the history of his people. So, so so yeah. Remember Anton like brainwashes him with the thing. Oh yeah, that little Yeah. You will see the trauma of our like race of people for years and like all this stuff that we and he like basically like uploaded that into John like for a minute, and you know, he's like, that'll stick with you. I gotta keep thinking that he saw something. He saw like the destruction and the death that the manhunters caused, manhunters caused sure. So uh it was I guess the whole idea is that the manhunters were created as like a security system for the guardians, guardians in the universe.
SPEAKER_01Almost like a Green Lantern 1.0.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like a test run, you know, like in if we were gonna compare it to to Marvel when like Iron Man creates the fleet of people. The first one. Yeah, and they and then they go bad. It's like, of course they go bad, dude. It's version one, like you're saying. Like, but anyway, same kind of thing where it's like, okay, so they created them, they fucked up the experiment, didn't work, and they did a lot of really bad stuff. And so now they're this like exiled group, you know. Okay. And I I can see that. Yeah. That's my that's my uh loose understanding of it.
SPEAKER_01I guess I forgot about that. Well, and then also she seems fine to me. Oh, yeah. So she's been sleeping with him, and I guess I would have been like, I don't really care what you did, sweetheart.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah, no, I I think uh it's the the what this show does well, and what we've said kind of all along is we're not really sure who the good guys and the bad guys are. We really don't know. We have you kind of have like you're side-eyeing everyone in the show, right?
SPEAKER_01You're like Well, because there's like how many different factions are there? Let's let's list them off here. The Manhunter one Hal is his own faction, John is his own faction, the Guardians are their own faction, Anton is his own faction, the sheriff is her own sort of faction, John's parents. But it it not quite, but you it still seems to be like there's so many different groups that it seems a little difficult to understand how they're working.
SPEAKER_03And you know that the Guardians in themselves probably have split quite a bit differently because we know that like Sinestro, we're we're not really sure, you know, oh Sinestro's his own thing too.
SPEAKER_01I hope he escapes jail. That'll be awesome, buddy. Like let's get something cool. You you think so?
SPEAKER_03I'm pretty dark Jerry's gonna escape. Yeah, I think we're gonna get to see Sinestro in action at some point. I hope so, dude. Sinestro's actually a pretty good villain. I could see that being the end of this season. That would probably be my prediction, would be like, okay, so maybe they'd kind of deal with some of the stuff that's happening on Earth, and then the, you know, Sinestra breaks out, and it's like, oh, that could be where we go.
SPEAKER_01I've seen a couple things online that this show is trying to set up another DC like universe. Because I don't know if you heard this, but there's a couple mentions of Batman. Have you seen these things online? Oh, not online. I was thinking of in the show when like she's from Gotham. There's that. And then um the sheriff also says, Um, why you can't start a hero's journey unless both your parents are dead. So that's Batman. Okay. And then there's one really sneaky one where she's on the phone, the sheriff, with Gotham PD, and she says, Oh, thanks, Barb, and hangs up the phone. Barb is uh Gordon's daughter. Oh, cool.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01Like Commissioner Gordon? Yeah. Commissioner Gordon's daughter. And she eventually, at some point in some of the Batman Laura, becomes um Batman's sort of like I don't know, tech girl. Like he's in she's she's behind the scenes, like with the cameras, and like sure. Well, because she gets like I think she gets shot in the back by the Joker and she becomes paralyzed.
SPEAKER_03Oh, I think I've seen this character before. Yeah. I mean, I know Barbara.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, okay. Yeah, sure. So it there's little hints there, and I I really think that they're trying to set up another DC extended universe. But but then I'm like, does that then tie in with the Superman movie that just came out?
SPEAKER_03I think it would have to, right? I mean, if we So if you think about what we've gotten recently, we've gotten a new Batman, we've gotten a new Superman. Now we're doing it.
SPEAKER_01I don't think the Batman is a part of it, though. I think the Batman's its own thing. I don't know. You think that it's just too like I don't know. DC is a mess. I mean, they're doing some cool stuff, but but Marvel is so like homogenous.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, Marvel just had the same actors play the same character for so many years that it was like, oh, this is who I know. Yeah. I mean, yeah, they did some stuff with Spider-Man, but realistically, like, you know. It works, really. It's really like fluid. Yeah, for the most part, they stayed pretty consistent. I think this is what's tough for me. Exactly, this conversation that we're having where I'm like, wait, but that's the new Batman. Like, shouldn't he be in this? And then it's like, or do do they not overlap? I I I don't know. That's what gets confusing for me is it's like, okay, but so where do they fit in? Like w It's Ben Affleck again. Yeah, yeah. Are they gonna bring back the other Batman? Henry Cavill again. Yeah. I don't know, man. That's what I think gets tiresome about DC. But is they restart seven times?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Yeah. Just like get like sign them to some crazy deals and get them locked in for like 10 years to be the same character. It just seems like they've just had a couple stutter starts.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I still like DC a lot. I've always like enjoyed it, but Marvel just seems to be getting it right better to me. Um let's talk about two more scenes. I want to talk about the coolest scene of the episode, and then I want to talk about the very end because I want your opinion on it. Okay. The goggles scene. Oh, yeah. With the green goggles. Like the kind of like pseudo-night vision with smoke vision. Kind of look like a video game to me. Yeah. That was certainly the best scene, and it also shows that Hal can really think quickly, like on his feet. And and his pilot expertise came out.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01Helicopter. Yeah. I thought if you were a pilot, you could only pilot one like a p like a jet or something, but then whatever. Fuck it. Like who cares? Yeah. He could do a helicopter too. He's Hal Jordan. Um, I mean, just a cool scene, really.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah. The it it did remind me of like a video game because it it it had like his POV as he's in the fight, and then it's honestly that that whole um I don't know, smoke grenade thing that they use where it's like it's it is cool because it's like contained in a space. Yeah. That's a really cool idea in like to for exactly the purpose they use.
SPEAKER_01They put it in the water tower?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that was just planned ahead. That was a little just convenient, I think.
SPEAKER_01That was just gonna be right here.
SPEAKER_03There were a few, honestly, dude, there were a few scenes where I've I'm I gotta put away my you know nitpicking tools because like the business with the sheriff shooting at Hal, uh uh just shooting at the same spot on his shield. Uh and I was like, uh okay, all right, we could make this look a little more realistic than her just standing still like still out in the street. I have to do this. Bang, bang, bang, bang. It's like, yeah, okay. No, Zoe's really convinced that you're trying to kill him as you're just like emptying a clip into the s I don't know. Yeah, whatever. Whatever. Nitpicking cool scene. Cool scene. Water tower, cool scene. Just a cool scene.
SPEAKER_01Well, how about the let's do the end then? John rejecting the ring. Did not see that coming. That that is like the final test.
SPEAKER_00Mmm. Mmm. I like that idea. I didn't think of that.
SPEAKER_01Would Hal have rejected the ring? Maybe his younger self might have.
SPEAKER_03Could be. It could be. I mean, I like it just as a t as a test in general, because it's like, okay, so you know, the ring is supposed to be almost like it reminds me of like a religious thing where it's like you like follow the ideals of the it's like a code. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice. It's a code, yeah. And so the whole business of being the Green Lantern is like you're always gonna, you know, put others before you or something like that. Like you can't let the ring become too what? You know, like what's the Lord of the Rings kind of thing? You know, where it's like don't let the ring over consume you. Like don't let it, you know, don't let the power consume you, that kind of thing. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I like that. I do like that the Green Lantern, it is like a a core of them, and it does abide by this code. Um I just remembered this, but the um the Green Lantern from the Superman movie, the one with the terrible haircut, the the bowl cut. Yeah, yeah. I think his name is Guy Gardner or something. Yeah. He is supposed to show up in the next couple episodes. So this is within the universe of the Superman.
SPEAKER_03Well, that's what I was gonna ask you, because I was like, okay, well, but if we get that Superman, then he had a Green Lantern too.
SPEAKER_01So we have three Green Lanterns as of right now.
SPEAKER_03Well, how many fucking rings are there?
SPEAKER_02Because he has his own ring.
SPEAKER_03I've got the Green Lantern wiki up, dude. That's what that's what I guess is um tricky for me, is it's like so there's this limited number of rings, but I mean there's clearly multiple on Earth. Okay, do you Do you want to know how many Green Lanterns there have been? No. Oh, how many there have been? Yeah. I don't know. Some stupid number. Eight. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01I mean human ones.
SPEAKER_03I think there are different like it's like I remember that from like cartoons that there would be like alien. Injustice, also, the game. Right. Yeah. There's like dip more of you can tell there's more of them. Yeah. Well, dude, I mean, what what is Sinestro? He's not a human. He's got like evil devil ears. He's got like elf ears, devil ears, pointy ears. Red. Right. He's not a human, but he I mean he's human-like, but he he looks like a goblin or something. He does. He does. So, like, I mean, yeah. Um, but no, I I do think that there's gonna be something where that the fact that John walked away from it is gonna have an impact. And I also think, even if it isn't exactly what we're saying, where it's like a test being played out, um it could say something to Hal that John took the ring but didn't like keep it. Like I I wonder if that I wonder if Hal will hear or will like find out that John.
SPEAKER_01I think that'll I think that'll give him the respect. I think that might be the moment. Like this is Hal's. But also Hal being like, you know, if they replace me, they're gonna replace you. Yeah. And he's not wrong there. I mean, dude, Hal's an asshole. Mm-hmm. But he's not wrong.
SPEAKER_03He's very rarely wrong about anything. We've learned that. And he knows that. Yeah. But it is it to me, it's like, okay, so I think Hal if Hal learns that John took it, Hal is so worried about John taking it for himself. If he realizes he took it and then he didn't keep it, I think you're right that that could be a big moment where it's like, oh, okay, I might look at this guy a little differently. He's not trying to steal this from me.
SPEAKER_01Alright, to wrap up, I I found how many uh Green Lanterns there are in the Green Lantern Corps. In the guild. Do you want to do you wanna guess? How many there are? You're never give me just a number two hundred and four. I'm so close, dude. Dude, you were right there. Well, so it's it's thirty six hundred sectors, so then seven thousand two hundred and four members, and each of them has a ring. Okay, so sorry.
SPEAKER_03So Hal and Bowl Cut guy are our Green Lanterns. Is Earth one sector? Uh bro. Yeah. I'm asking questions I don't really want the answers to, and I don't want you to spend time, and I'm not I'm not gonna spend time looking them up. So I don't care.
SPEAKER_01Oh, there's so many different there's yellow. Oh my god, they have a bunch of different colors.
SPEAKER_03Isn't Sinestro yellow? I thought Sinestro was yellow. There's yellow, red, orange. Okay. Well, so okay, sorry. Wow, I was about to ask a really dumb question, dude. Really, really dumb question, but I'm assuming that they are a red lantern. They're red, they're red rage. Okay. Because I was about to be, dude, uh what almost came out of my mouth was so they're a red green lantern?
SPEAKER_01It's like that's their name. Okay, I'm looking, I'm looking at wow, dude. Okay. Dude, this is a lot. Okay. This is totally off, but here we go. There's the red one, the red lantern core. Red power rings are powered by rage and charged by the blood of those that they've killed. Fun group? The reds. So red is rage, orange is avarice.
SPEAKER_03Yellow is that you're gonna say average, and I was like, ah, that's fucking let down. Yellow is fear. That's cool. Cool as fuck. Then Sinestra is a yellow one. That's fucking cool. That's the coolest one by a mile. What's green? Good. I so actually, what is green? Let me give me a second. Why? That's gonna be really weird if like red is what'd you say? Rage? Rage. What is the what is the avarice? What is the word that you use? Avarice.
SPEAKER_01An orange ring is powered by av- Oh, greed. Greed? Okay. Unlike other cores, only one living individual can wield the power of the orange one. Oh, I guess because it's greed, only one can get it.
SPEAKER_03That's cool. That's actually fucking cool. I'm gonna give it a nod there, but I also think it's funny that three of them are like angry bad things, and then what green is the good one. So there's three versus one of like Well, hold on, Jeff.
SPEAKER_01There's blue. Of course there is blue, which is hope.
SPEAKER_03Oh fuck yeah. Yeah. Hufflepuff.
SPEAKER_01Blue is Ravenclaw, you fuck. I know, but I'm saying conceptually. Oh yeah, yeah. Uh blue rings can also grant precognitive visions to their wielders. Okay. There's also indigo, which is compassion. Okay, never mind.
SPEAKER_03This is getting lame.
SPEAKER_01Violet is love.
SPEAKER_03Okay, alright. I I'm gonna stick. Fear was the cool one. I think that's cool. Okay. Wait. There's a white is life. I'm not even making any of this up, bro. I thought you were about to say you were, and I was like, oh, you're doing a good job because these are kind of on point, but it's ultraviolet, which is self-hatred.
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SPEAKER_03That's a dude. That's a lantern core, isn't it? Also, this is hatred. This is Wikipedia Dog. Okay. Yeah. I I'm sure, well, some of the you know how this goes. I've looked up Marvel stuff before, and it's like you it talk about never-ending rabbit hole, like a literal into the center of the earth rabbit hole. Like the because there's been so much with this stuff.
SPEAKER_01But yeah, dude. There's still three more colors. There's gold, navy, and gray. And gray is just being sad.
SPEAKER_03That's what I was like. For some of these depressed ones, like self-hatred or being sad, like they have the qualifying events of like getting the ring. Yeah. I was about to make a theory. Bad joke. That's okay, buddy. We've we go ahead. How would you qualify for a self-hatred like core thing? What's the qualifying event?
SPEAKER_01But it there is plenty of competition up short.
SPEAKER_03No, never mind. Just I hate myself. Don't do it. Gun to the head. Just like oh, you made the core. He's our guy. And you made gray team.
SPEAKER_01Welcome to the ultraviolets. Dude. This is way more entertaining than I thought. Oh my God.
SPEAKER_03Look up Green Lantern lore because it's pretty fun.
SPEAKER_01Dude, this is what we're talking about, though, when it comes to superheroes. Like it just goes off the rails.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it does. It does. I mean, if it's been around for 80-something years, dude, they're like, where do they go with these stories at this point? How do you write new stories?
SPEAKER_01I mean, eventually you run out of colors. Ultraviolet. What? The anti-green lantern core. Dude, what the fuck is this?
SPEAKER_03Okay. All right. All right. If people have stuck around this long, thank you for listening. The sorrow lantern.
SPEAKER_01Dude, I just I don't get it. Okay. Oh, it's upcoming. It's not even out yet.
SPEAKER_03What is this is? The sorrow lantern? Okay, dude. Yeah. Okay. All right. This makes me depressed to think about. Well, whatever. It's I I'm sure it's cool if you get into it. Um it's just people, I can't like this is a long, long rabbit hole, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_01Are you ready for this? Can I read this to you real quick? This is the last thing. All right, all right, let's go. Nathan Broom was Carol Ferros' boyfriend and later fiance. The two were to be married before she left him at the altar to save Hal Jordan. As a result, he infused his ring with sadness to become the sorrow lantern. As the sorrow lantern, he has the ability to force sorrow onto others via gray mist emitted from his body.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Yeah. Cut it. I'm done. I'm fucking done. I'm fucking done.
SPEAKER_01All right. Well, this has been uh too much TV, and we will uh we'll see you later. Bye bye.