What happens when the worlds of flavorful cuisine and artificial intelligence collide? Join us on this unique and compelling adventure as we explore the implications of AI on human creativity, meaningful work, and even humor. We'll share our recent culinary discoveries, from mouthwatering wraps made with canned chicken, pimento cheese, and cilantro green creamy sauce to a probiotics and prebiotics-rich Mango Gold drink that will leave your taste buds tingling.
As the conversation shifts towards the future of AI, we'll ponder its potential effects on our career choices, our quest for purposeful work, and whether human creativity can withstand the test of time. Discover how AI can raise questions about intellectual property and plagiarism, and the challenges that patent and trademark attorneys might face in the not-so-distant future. Plus, we'll tackle the complexities of verifying information in the digital age and the role AI could play in detecting fake news.
Finally, we'll have some fun contemplating the possibilities of AI in the world of stand-up comedy. Can machines ever truly replicate the same level of humor as a human? So, grab your favorite snack, a refreshing drink, and join us for an episode that's equal parts appetizing and thought-provoking!
What happens when the worlds of flavorful cuisine and artificial intelligence collide? Join us on this unique and compelling adventure as we explore the implications of AI on human creativity, meaningful work, and even humor. We'll share our recent culinary discoveries, from mouthwatering wraps made with canned chicken, pimento cheese, and cilantro green creamy sauce to a probiotics and prebiotics-rich Mango Gold drink that will leave your taste buds tingling.
As the conversation shifts towards the future of AI, we'll ponder its potential effects on our career choices, our quest for purposeful work, and whether human creativity can withstand the test of time. Discover how AI can raise questions about intellectual property and plagiarism, and the challenges that patent and trademark attorneys might face in the not-so-distant future. Plus, we'll tackle the complexities of verifying information in the digital age and the role AI could play in detecting fake news.
Finally, we'll have some fun contemplating the possibilities of AI in the world of stand-up comedy. Can machines ever truly replicate the same level of humor as a human? So, grab your favorite snack, a refreshing drink, and join us for an episode that's equal parts appetizing and thought-provoking!
Welcome to Help Yourself. Food and Philosophy with Brian and Nick. I'm Nick.
Speaker 2:And I'm Brian, it's not artificial intelligence.
Speaker 1:I'm worried about It's human stupidity. Neil Jacob, stein or Steen, i don't know. I haven't met the guy. What you eating, brian?
Speaker 2:Yeah, i tend to agree with that, and I don't know if it's Stein or Steen either. So I guess we're both demonstrating. He's on what he's doing Exactly. What am I eating? I'm on a rap yo. I'm on a rap fix yo. Rap fix yo. I got like. What the hell. Wow, that was the worst. Anyway, no, I'm just saying that to say that I'm eating a lot of raps recently.
Speaker 1:Sausage wrap the worst.
Speaker 2:What Sausage wrap, anyway, i. That was the worst, oh, the worst, i got it Liver worst. Or like bratwurst No bratwurst, there we go. Okay, not liverwurst, that's something that's like an onomatopoeia the worst, liverwurst. Anyway, what am I eating? So I made a simple wrap today that had two cans of chicken. Like two cans. I had these cans. I know it's canned chicken, but it was like you know, like cantona or whatever.
Speaker 1:Like cantona, but chicken, yeah, but chicken, it's the chicken of the land.
Speaker 2:It's the land of the chicken. Yeah, exactly, and I. So I mixed that with some pimento cheese, just like a tablespoon of pimento cheese, and then I had the This like cilantro, green creamy sauce, like taco sauce or whatever, and I mixed that up and then I put it in a wrap, like a high fiber wrap, and ate that, and it was excelente. It was a chef's kiss. I don't know why I did an accent for that, but anyway it was a chef's kiss. French gesture on a mixed.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I don't know what I was thinking. I went the wrong direction with it, That's all I know. Yeah, so I find that that was First of all. I have a whole bunch of food around my offices and offices. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2:Well, I go because I work at a two different offices So I always have different kinds of food there. So I always have some frozen food just in case I get stuck and I'm like I know I want to make sure it's not something that's going to go bad, And then So I'll have some frozen burritos or some frozen chicken or whatever else that I can make in a pinch. But then I also have things like that, like canned chicken or some of those tuna pouches that are shelf stable. You don't have to worry about them. I always have that stuff around, but then I never eat them because they're shelf stable. So I always eat the stuff that is going to go bad first. So then I just keep buying the stuff that goes bad and then that stuff just sits around. So I've been trying to eat my way through the stuff that I've had for a while. It's not expiring or anything, but I'm just Hey, you just want to recycle your stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm just trying to get through it, because I have food sitting there And I'm like, why don't I just eat this? It's been sitting in here for like four months or something, and so I had those and that's why I made the decision to do that. But yeah, it's interesting when you get to. I had a friend one time that talked about trying to get through to the next time you were going to go grocery shopping because they're trying to budget. So they would basically get super creative with anything. They're like, well, we have this thing in our freezer and then we have this thing in our. They would have to put together and they said, yeah, when you get towards the end, you're like, oh man, this is the worst.
Speaker 1:Peanut butter fish talker. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2:It's just like we have three tablespoons of peanut butter, we've got some honey and we've got some salmon, so let's throw that in the air fryer and we'll be good to go. Mmm, savory Right. So it's a little interesting combinations, but at least you know, like I said, that one turned out good and it's decent in terms of calories and everything else. Brian's beverage corner, though I've got Uh.
Speaker 1:Trapped in. Uh-huh. Yeah For Brian's beverage corner strap in.
Speaker 2:Strap in. Yeah, i do have a bottle of whiskey on my desk right now. A client gave me a bottle of whiskey. I'm not drinking whiskey while I record, because that'd be a whole other podcast, but I'm looking forward to drinking it Now is that a fancy bottle of whiskey Like?
Speaker 1:does that count as nominal value? Do you have to? No, it's not. You're on the record, quite literally.
Speaker 2:In terms of the IRS, it was nominal value. Yeah, so definitely Okay.
Speaker 1:So it's not going to be a good. It was also a birthday gift too.
Speaker 2:It wasn't technically good for services. It was a gift partially.
Speaker 1:Partial, not that you're partial to me Right.
Speaker 2:Anyway so I've got this. I've got a drink that I'm drinking called Mango Gold. That's by a company called Wild Wonder, i don't know. It doesn't have any caffeine in it, so it's not going to get my heart racing or anything, but apparently it has probiotics and prebiotics and it's a sparkling drink. There you go. There's a picture of it. Looks delicious, it's not?
Speaker 1:It looks like a. can You put actual gold in here?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I will say it's not the worst in the world to drink. But this is one of those ones where you drink it and you're like, yeah, this doesn't taste great, but theoretically I'm getting some health benefit because I'm getting like probiotics and prebiotics and all that stuff, right.
Speaker 1:So you sort of power through you know. Well, there's plenty of things that are good for you that taste terrible. Right, there's an apple cider vinegar. Yes, yeah, that's why I do the gummies though.
Speaker 2:I do the apple cider gummies because then it's bearable. They have gummies that are. Oh, I love you. Yeah, Dude they have apple cider gummies. I take two of those before I go to bed in the evening and I've been doing that for a while and it feels great.
Speaker 1:They're gummy bears, right? Please tell me they're gummy bears.
Speaker 2:Well, they're multiple shapes, but it just depends on the type. But there's a couple of different companies that make them and I've tried two different kinds and both of them. It's like I'm eating two pieces of candy, But you get basically the equivalent of a cap full of apple cider vinegar in it in your gut.
Speaker 1:So do that You're going to relisten to this episode and get the joke you missed best.
Speaker 2:I'm probably not going to relisten to this episode. I'm just telling you right now, and where are you telling you? I will never know the brilliance of Nick's sense of humor. Anyway, this is good. It does taste like mango, has 35 calories. The first thing it has in it is fresh brood, and here we go. You ready, nick Turmeric, you said it right. Yes, so fresh brood.
Speaker 2:Fresh brood, turmeric is the first thing, and then it has mango puree and passion fruit juice and agave nectar and Jerusalem artichoke and a bunch of other stuff, right, and so it says it has one billion organisms in it. So get in my bunny, exactly. So I'm choking it down, i'm chasing it with water, which is my second, would you just say it tastes like Brian.
Speaker 2:Tastes terrible. This is what. Hey, you want to be healthy? Good, never eat anything that tastes good. No, i'm just kidding Get one billion organisms or drink one billion organisms. So it is like I said I'm still drinking it. It just has a weird funk, taste to it, slightly Like it's not. Now let me take one or sip for a second It's the after, it's like the first, like when at first it's your tongue, you get mango and then you swallow and you and you're like Oh no, you know, something went horribly wrong.
Speaker 1:So what is it like? is it? is it metallic, is it? no, it's like a tasteless.
Speaker 2:It's medicine II and like that kind of taste.
Speaker 1:You know so like cough syrup medicine II, or just No, just like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like that like sterile, like sort of like I don't know. It just doesn't taste like you should be drinking it. But yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 1:The only thing I'm gonna drink that sterile might be water like right, right.
Speaker 2:Well, i'm not gonna. I'm not going to, probably not gonna get more of these, but it was Worth worth it. And also, it's no caffeine, so it's not gonna keep me up tonight. And then the last thing I'm drinking is an Arnold Palmer, and it's it's my mix that I do in the water bottles that. So I've got the three drinks there. And Oh, there was one other drink that I had earlier today that was called goat. It's goat energy drink and the flavor was gummy bear. So it was so And it was good. The those. I got them at the supermarket and they were good. So that's giving me my caffeine from earlier. And I think that's it for BBC. What do you eat? and then drinking?
Speaker 1:having leftover chicken wings mm-hmm and Corn in the calm, but it was a little too a leftover, so maybe after three bites the corn in the cob, that was enough. Yeah it didn't look spoiled.
Speaker 2:But it tasted.
Speaker 1:That was it like spoiled And this is a turning out to be really negative episode. Yeah, Not terrible the chicken wings were good, and And what else did I have with that? Oh, there was broccoli and cheese. I like oh yeah me and Like it was one of those steamer bag mixes. But Dory doesn't cook them in the bag just because of the yeah residual concerns of Whatever that plastic leaching into the, from the bag into the food. Yeah totally get and I totally agree, like If you don't need to bother, don't bother. Okay.
Speaker 1:But it was. I think she actually added too much water or something, so she added a ton of extra cheese to compensate. Oh, i will. I will have a bowel movement next week. Yeah, i need to push the door. She's laughing.
Speaker 2:She's, she's pre listening to the episode, right?
Speaker 1:now like it's not fair. You gotta wait for everyone else to hear it too, right?
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:But I'm glad she's laughing and, in terms of beverages, i have plenty of water to stay hydrated. I Have Just finished the nitro cold brew with regular amounts of sweet cream. Oh nice but I've been nursing all day dialed it back. Yeah, yeah, oh. Once I get used to that, i'll dial it back to light sweet cream and then no sweet cream. Yeah. Actually I might dial it back to tall Anyway oh really Mini moderation and I Am Drinking the last of my bone broth. Oh.
Speaker 1:Okay, not on the bone broth died, but I'm on the bone broth, try it. It's kind of a modified.
Speaker 2:You guys still have bone broth. So that's, i'm I'm sure, because you guys had like boxes of it and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so gotta use it. Yeah. But yeah, like the cheese and the broccoli and cheese wasn't bone broth right, Yeah we planned, and certainly not the cold or the sweet cream.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's sort of like when I say I do like a intermittent fast, except for when I eat breakfast. You know like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I am in fast.
Speaker 2:I really don't eat anything until noon. Well, i mean, i eat breakfast, but you know I'm not note I did find something really quick I did find something that's awesome.
Speaker 2:Two things, but and I'll this is food related. And then the second thing is something else that I'll I'm gonna ask you about. So I found these things, but they're by a company called legendary foods and they are There's. They look like pop tarts, but they're more like. They're more cakey, like you know, like thicker, instead of it being sort of crunchy like a pop tart, it's more like eating a piece of cake. So it's a protein pop tart. It's got 20 grams of protein in it, it's 280 calories and it has a net like six grams of carbs.
Speaker 2:And So I've been changing that out for my, because every morning, when I'm on my way to work, i'll eat like a protein bar or something like that, just cuz I'm not a, i just haven't been big in breakfast recently and. But I changed that out and man, they have that and they have protein. Cinnamon rolls and dude, they're so awesome They're. The cinnamon rolls are like 200 calories and there, but it's literally like a mini Cine cinnamon bun with frosting on it and it's no sugar. 20 grams of protein, and it does have carbs in it, of course, but the net carbs because, as fiber and everything else in it works out to be lower right.
Speaker 1:And so, anyway, we're tall, or whatever that it has that.
Speaker 2:What is that? erythritol?
Speaker 1:Erythritol. okay Yeah.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm. It uses that for some sweetener, which is you know, there's some recent things about that. But if you keep it in moderation I don't think it's gonna really hurt you that much. But if you, if you're drinking it all day long every day or eating it, it's probably bad. But man, it's crazy. Like just having it tastes like I'm, it tastes like you're eating a cinnamon roll like. This morning I warmed the cinnamon roll up in the in the microwave for like 20 seconds and it was like a warm. I mean it was. It was awesome, fresh baked.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was it was so Okay, so that, and then the second, in real cinnamon rolls.
Speaker 1:Well, i pop a real cinnamon roll in the microwave. Today was today. It was not the same.
Speaker 2:Tell people when we were, when we're recording. But today's national donut day. I don't know if you know that or not.
Speaker 2:But it's also my son's birthday and so I went to go get donuts for his birthday because so that when he woke up He would have some donuts. So I went down to Fox's donut then, which is like big here in Nashville, right, and Got some, got some donuts, brought him back. But when I got there there was a line like out the door, down the down the side of the building. I'm like what the heck man, i had? no, i just thought it was just a Friday. And then I got towards the front and there are posters that said national donut day on this redacted day, you know so. So anyway, they were also selling Because they were having such a hard time keeping up with the line. They were selling a dozen glazed donuts and two dozen donut glazed donut holes, playing glazed donut holes for a quarter. So like, yeah, they were just trying to get people through the line. So anyway, mm-hmm, all right. So my other question is do I see over your right shoulder a really awesome thing? that like That is that organizes your stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a grid it isn't it awesome?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's cool for the people out there listening, it's a little thing that like basically is like a Us, i would say weave of elastic bands on the cardboard on cardboard in nylon. Right, and it has a little pouch in the back.
Speaker 2:You could put some flat things on that. But it also was like literally you can hold all your cords and it's called a grid it. You can look it up. Cocoon, cocoon Company. Yeah, and I Had one, and then Nick bought one because he saw mine and he loved it so much, so I even gave it a fancy purple one as a part of Mother's Day gift.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's awesome. What's Ray? Yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, she's an organizer. I think that we I think we've talked about all we need to talk about. We probably need to get into our subject, since we're like 17 minutes in.
Speaker 1:Sure, well, we want to talk about AI a bit more. We've covered what like really just is. That is that angular and integration.
Speaker 2:Is that what that is? angular integration?
Speaker 1:No, it's a visit Asanine interest.
Speaker 2:Oh, I thought it was alimony insurance.
Speaker 1:That's all integrity. We can do this all day.
Speaker 2:This is the whole episode right here. People, oh man, strap in for just every single, every single thing that AI stands for, except for what we're talking about today.
Speaker 1:It's suddenly devolved into a bonus. Subject right exactly to put this in the deep recesses of the calendar, right? No, so AI is an artificial intelligence right. So we've talked about the general impact notions around AI, and Then we had some fun exploring the dark side of AI. Mm-hmm. I've recently seen articles to corroborate things that we Projected, which is nice and validating.
Speaker 2:There's confirmation bias.
Speaker 1:Little bit. Yeah, yeah, good, good call back to our biases. Now we're gonna do. It's a little. It's less poorly wait, no more poorly defined or less right, well defined. I think we just want to talk about, like AI and creativity, human creativity or Or perhaps What work will look like yeah for people in the next 10 to 20 years. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my first thought on this is actually talking about like finding you know, because I know there were a couple things we read about How this will affect meaningful work. So you know, everyone can do work, but we all try to.
Speaker 2:As humans, i feel like we all want to feel important, like we feel like we're making a difference in something with our. Some people do jobs that aren't that and they don't really care. It's just a means to an end for them. But most people, especially, like a career, something that is, hey, i want to do this for the long term. I think the way that you bear that is by having some kind of meeting. The why behind that, why am I doing this Is. At some point, that question is going to come up in your head and you're going to say, like, if the answer to that is I don't know, i have no idea why I'm doing this, then it's pretty likely you might decide to make a change.
Speaker 1:The question is Welcome back to Maslow's hierarchy of needs. As a society, we've evolved to where a greater percentage of the world's population is higher up on that triangle than back at the advent of humanity, where everyone was struggling to survive shelter, clothing, food. That's why we worked, that's why we hunted, that's why we gathered, that's why we started. Agriculture was just to live. But now it's like we don't just work for a paycheck anymore. We want our stuff to serve a higher purpose, whether that's our community, our deity, whatever. There are people who work for less money, but work in healthcare specifically because they have a very meaningful story around caring for people in that capacity.
Speaker 1:Yeah, make a difference, make a difference for their mother, and they didn't want anyone to feel that way themselves. So, they've gone into that.
Speaker 2:I feel like make a difference is.
Speaker 2:It's like make a difference in your own life, make a difference in other people's lives or make a difference in the world.
Speaker 2:We have this thing of, regardless of what your beliefs are in terms of heaven and hell and afterlife and all this other stuff, most people are, hey, i want to do something while I'm here in this life, because I don't know what the next thing is. So let me figure out what I need to do in order to again find something to do that's meaningful. That either means something to you or to other people, or to the world in some small way, and even if it's just your small little corner of the world, because even people that do jobs that you wouldn't think about, that there are people who serve you know who's like servers, you know wait tables or are clerks at stores, and they still feel like I could make a difference in someone's life, like a small little difference in that person's day every day, and they might find meaning in that, even though it's to some people it might seem like it's just sort of a mundane, like throwaway kind of job, you can still find that in there.
Speaker 1:And I've seen people who've definitely made that like a legit career. Yeah. And I've just, you know there's always I've served a table. I've been a waiter before. I've served her.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:Anytime I've done that, there was always a Pareto distribution right of quality of staff there. Yeah.
Speaker 1:That there's always one guy who was just. he had it down, pat right, he was dressed, the part He never got dirty. His goal was to make as many people's experience top notch as possible. And then there was the high schooler who was 16 and just wanted enough money to pay their car insurance or their video games subscriptions or whatever it is these days. But one person was finding meaning in their work, while another was just looking for a paycheck, and that's where they got their meaning right The means to the end, as you said. Right.
Speaker 2:Right? Well, the question then comes out of how does AI affect that? You know, how does AI affect? if you're like, maybe we can just go down the path of, do we think that that an increased level of AI in any workplace or any workforce does that increase meaning in jobs and other things, or does that decrease it? or is it net neutral? Or is it personal? You know, could it just be? hey, you still have to figure out how to find that meaning, no matter what's going on.
Speaker 2:I feel like it could go a few different ways and it's obviously dependent on what type of job it is, But I think, at the base level, ai takes away some of the things that basically, it strips away some of the things that you would be doing at your work, strips away tasks and other things like that And, quite honestly, many of the things that, like, we can't even anticipate how it's going to do that in any given you know, any given type of career. As I mentioned in like the last I think it was the last episode talking about as an attorney, you know there's a lot of things that that could take, you know, if it gets savvy enough, and they could have specific AIs that are career specific, so they could have something that's like yeah, this is specific, it's programmed in for every different type of statute, every different type of this, and it has all the documents and it can reference them. And it's a very narrow focus in terms of what this AI does, and so, therefore, it can be hyper. I guess. What would it be? What was that Hyper effective? Hyper effective for that, yeah, for that career, because it's it only has to focus on one thing. It's not a general AI. That's just hey, look at the entire internet and the entire world and the entire universe, and then we're going to throw questions at you.
Speaker 2:This is a very narrow, you know very narrow, specific thing.
Speaker 2:So does that take the meaning out of what that, what I do? if I was able to just pop something in and it spits it out for me, i think it takes some of my joy away. Like for me, i actually enjoy drafting and crafting specific clauses and things, and like how am I going to say this so that it's as clear as possible, unambiguous as possible, that it matches the tone of the rest of the document, that it, you know all of these other things, right? So I actually enjoy that If I had an AI that I could type it in and say, hey, give me the document, and it spits it out for me.
Speaker 2:You know and I'm looking way ahead where it's so savvy that it's almost like you barely have to proofread these things because it's a standard document or something else, and you put in the parameters and it gets that and you're like, yeah, it's perfect, i don't need to look at it anymore. So this is something that's not even in existence right now. I feel like it could you know, it could take away. It could actually could actually just take away my job completely in what I do if it gets good enough.
Speaker 1:In theory, i mean, i had to say so let's, let's take down the, let's go down the path of take away your job, completely Like yeah. AI as it stands is not all that quote creative. You know you could argue that we're not all that creative. There's nothing new under the sun. Right. And Brad, you don't need to be all that creative in a law practice, no offense, you exert your creativity elsewhere. But there you know, there's a lot of precedent right. There's a lot of building on that history. That's right Yeah.
Speaker 1:So in a way, ai is optimized for those kinds of activities. Just like when the assembly line for the model T was constructed, created and started pumping out horseless carriages you know like 10 a day, or whatever it was. The need or existence of horses didn't go away, they just got much more niche. You know more of a novelty. The population was greatly diminished. So I think that might happen right. At first it'll be the population of paralegals that will greatly diminish. Yeah.
Speaker 1:That maybe if before, a law firm of three or more lawyers needed at least one paralegal right it will become a law firm of 30 or more lawyers is when you get a real human paralegal, because there's enough volume of things that the AI paralegal can't really do so well that it makes sense to hire a human to fill. In terms of volume to fill that gap.
Speaker 1:You know, similarly, eventually maybe like for you with kind of the legal zoom on steroids you know, where legal zoom goes out of business because there's, there's AI's that do that for pennies instead of dollars. You know, then, yeah, your clientele will be those who still want a human touch.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:You know they still want the at some point. It'll be nostalgia and eventually it'll become novelty right? It'll be kind of like a hipster. You know, whatever the hipster thing is, the next couple of generations, the yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm going to do things retro And in a sense, it'll be you outlasting others who are in your field, who aren't so resilient or who can't find clients interested in what you offer. And that's assuming you don't augment with AI. right, Like AI might help you scale such that you quadruple or whatever your client base and you still offer your human touch. right, the things that you ought to automate can be Yeah. Finally. Well, and it takes. I think it's.
Speaker 2:I was thinking about it one, one of two ways. People who have lots of experience would I think would be would benefit greatly for the people that still want that human touch. Because you're you're saying, hey, this person that has something that AI doesn't have, which is, you know, x amount of years of experience doing this and dealing with people, and I could see how that would chop off the younger generation. But then I could also see on the opposite side that the younger generation again, if they started a law firm, they could scale so much quick, more quickly than the old codgers like me that that they they're like yeah, i got this AI and I can take on X amount of work which is three times the amount of the old codger, kind of that's hiring a paralegal and doing that. So I could see that it would enhance younger attorneys. But I could also see that it would. It could, you know it could decline, and but I guess it's just a matter of what the client wants And I know I'm focusing a lot on just law firm stuff, but it's what I know And so I feel like, but the question still remains is does it take away the meaning Like, does it take away? So here's what I think in that, going back to that question is younger attorneys will struggle, will struggle just like I have a problem saying the word struggle younger attorneys will struggle to find that meaning, because it takes time to find that meaning in your work.
Speaker 2:And so if, if, the only thing is that you come in and you're like, yeah, i set up with this AI, i can scale up and I can make money We know that most for most people, in the long run, your overall well-being or your feeling of usefulness does not come from how much money I'm making, yeah, yeah. And so they may be comfortable and they may be, may be able to get a lot of business and build a law firm so that they are financially comfortable, but then they're going to struggle to find that meaning, whereas somebody who's practiced for a long time the reason why I have a much bigger why than somebody who's just starting as an attorney now is because I've had time to reflect on oh, like things have happened where I've helped people and it's again. I've made that person's life better. I've helped them. I've I've helped them so that something was easier for them, or that they were more comfortable, or that they could sleep at night better or whatever, and it takes time to get that. Those experiences And yeah, it's, you know, i don't know what do you say in your side.
Speaker 2:So, like on your side, because you're very technical like you, you do a lot of stuff with them, you're doing your way in like waste deep in computers all day, you know So. So what is it? What does that look like in general, like for a position like yours?
Speaker 1:So I think I mentioned this in a previous episode. The times that I've used chat GPT to help me with code, it always misses something. Whether it gives me seven lines of code or 70, it's like there's some critical component that it failed to include. If I don't already know how to code, I'm almost stuck. That's going to be technical things that I'm sure they'll work out those kinks over time. I think there are opportunities that haven't quite landed yet with that and say, like data analytics, automating some analyses, doing data discovery, figuring out what this database does and how does it work. I think there's an opportunity there that I've seen some companies promise, does or can do. But there's always the proof in the putting and finding a company who's willing to adopt the technology and try it out and see for themselves. There will always be that slow roll, I think, in organizations and companies. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Maybe not in the startup space In terms of meaning and work, the little way that I've seen it affect meaning for me is with proofreading and idea generation. Yes. That's something that I pride myself on as a skill It's one of my I'm probably above average. At least I know my circle of friends and colleagues. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I seem to have an act for it When I put what I thought was a great email into chat GPT. But I don't quite love it. I feel like it could be better and I give it to it and then it's like, yeah, that's better. I'm not. It's like chat GPT or other AIs can beat me at that game or idea generation, which it's not really idea generation. It has collected and organized the ideas of others.
Speaker 1:Yes, into a format that it can call upon and perhaps do some abstraction. That is something that I guess as part of how I make ideas, get ideas, is, i think about something in one venue or one arena. Try to find various patterns of how things operate there. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I ask myself what other arenas do I see that same pattern? Then compare the activities between those two arenas or departments or industries. Yeah, you see, like hey, there's this thing that lawyers always do and they're going through this workflow of discovery and deliberation and delivery. Well, in programming we also have a method of discovery and deliberation and delivery. It's just with code instead of I can't think of legal documents.
Speaker 2:Pleading Sorry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pleading, there we go. Yeah, that sounds so weak.
Speaker 3:I'm pleading with you, i'm pleading with you. Yeah, you know what?
Speaker 2:happens at the end of the pleading, too, is the prayer. There's a prayer for what you want. You're like you know.
Speaker 1:Well, I pray the.
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, it's all tied together.
Speaker 1:Peacekeepers paradise, yeah, but you know, there's things that in that process that lawyers do, that maybe we don't do in code delivery, that maybe we could start doing that. That's where I get quote. My idea is there's nothing new under the sun, but I feel like chat GBT does that by default. Yeah, and I think that's right.
Speaker 2:Like I was thinking that same thing is like you were saying you put in an email that you wrote and said Hey, what about this?
Speaker 2:Like tell me what you think of this or how can I improve this, or whatever.
Speaker 2:But I also think, like you said, idea generation, meaning sometimes I have to draft an email and like I don't even know where I'm sitting, like in front of my email, and I don't even know where to start, like how do I want to?
Speaker 2:and that to me is I'm not going to add, i'm not going to just grab something from chat, gpt or any other AI and just throw it into an email, a copy and paste it immediately. But what it's going to give me is gives me a starting place, and if I look at it and go, well, that's good enough, then it saved me a bunch of time because it's, in essence, it's like writer's block, right. So you got like writer's block and you're like if the writer's like I have this idea about a story about X, y and Z and I want it to include this, this and this chat GPT can help you, give you a primer, so that you're like Oh yeah, you know what? That's awesome. Okay, yeah, i didn't even think about that. But then it also opens up the can of if all, if AI is pulling from other sources and aggregating that and then responding to you, how is that for plagiarism or whatever else in terms?
Speaker 2:of because if the idea is generated, even though it's being generated through AI, if it's being generated like like if you go in and say, yeah, i want something in the style of Stephen King and I want this and that, so it's going to look at all the Stephen King stuff that it has at its fingertips not really it's virtual fingertips And it's going to you know it's going to yeah it's whatever, it's digits, it's virtual digits.
Speaker 1:A little bit neurons.
Speaker 2:It's going to look at all that stuff. But then the question is, even if you came up with something that was completely different, that idea was originally generated because you said, yeah, give me something in the style of this And it's going to use that as source, you know, as the source material, to come up with the idea Then. Then then you write So then is that plagiarizing or is that stealing, or is that? you know, there's a fine line there for inspiration. I mean, artists inspire other artists all the time.
Speaker 2:And so it, and I think that's a good point, and I think there are and this is we've gotten way off the original question but I think there are a quite a few questions about how we're going to deal with, you know, how AI will affect IP, how AI will affect IP intellectual property.
Speaker 1:AI yeah. So, Artificial intellectual property.
Speaker 2:So I mean, I feel like, I feel like, well, first of all, that just means there's patent and trademark attorneys out there that are like salivating right now, going oh man, I'm going to make a killing because there are people are going to want to file.
Speaker 1:Maybe like yeah, it depends on the rulings, right? Well, people are going to file cases either way.
Speaker 2:So you know, as the blood-tucking attorney, it doesn't really matter, They're going to get paid.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when they're losing, they'll get paid, yeah Right. So, Even if they don't, the publicity will be huge.
Speaker 2:That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1:The first few lawyers to take on that phase of the zeitgeist will be memorialized. and yeah, given all kinds of business, Yeah. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think that so, but staying on that subject, though.
Speaker 2:Staying on the subject, though, of because I think we did want to get into, like human creativity and AI we sort of primed that at the beginning is you know, how does this affect human creativity? And I feel like, based on what I was just talking about, i feel like it can increase it because it's giving us, you know, it can give you the starting point so that you can jump. You know you're getting stuff from AI, and then you're using your human brain to mold and shape that into something different, and so, regardless of all the other stuff we were just talking about, i feel like just content generation you know, I agree and disagree.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I think there's the. We talked about tech biases a number of episodes ago. Had Marshall Couch in person, gims Hill for soft And we talked about our bingo board right there.
Speaker 2:Shout out to Marshall.
Speaker 1:All right, yeah, and we actually I think we've mentioned AI a couple of times, but it wasn't nearly, as you know, exploded- Yeah.
Speaker 1:At that point And we talked about how, like we, we get worse at math or we get worse at remembering phone numbers because we have technology to do that for us. And I think, when it comes to generating ideas, you know we'll get. there'll be moments right. Maybe these large language models like chat, gbt, will be able to give us ideas 80, 85, 90, whatever percent of the time, but there's going to be a moment where we have to be truly innovative. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right And we won't have had that practice, that familiarity with asking our own subconscious for those ideas. Yes. You know they have our own organic brainstorm. We've instead offloaded that into a artificial brainstorm engine, and so, just like we forget how to do math in our head, we're going to forget how to ask ourselves what would it look like if you know? Yes.
Speaker 1:Like, even if we ask ourselves, we won't get any answers because we've we've let those neurons shut down. You know, we've trimmed those away so that others in other ways could form Right, And who knows what those neurons will be.
Speaker 2:So that's the bleak, that's the bleak look of like. We become just button pushers, basically.
Speaker 1:Maybe I mean again it's. I think there'll be, just like there's, people today who are memory masters. Yes. You know, or mentalists, or people who can do math in their head, amazingly. Yeah. Part of why that astounds us is because we've we've not given ourselves that discipline of maintaining those skills and they have. I think, similarly, there will be this amazement at people who can come up with their own ideas or their own outlines, yes Or write their own emails without having to have a large language model in their back pocket.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I was just going to say is we were talking about differentiation, like you mentioned it, with regard to, with regard to attorneys, like people who might have a personal touch, versus a newer attorney who might be like, yeah, i'm running all these different types of AI to get my work done, so art and creativity could be the same thing as, like they might be a differentiation between, yeah, this book was, you know, this person went out to the woods, no connection to the internet, no, anything. It was completely thought up in with their own, so it's like a this is a fully human book versus this was touched by. So you're going to say same thing with, like painting, right, you know?
Speaker 1:hormone free free range.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, it'll be like. this is all. This is 100% human art, art installation. You know what I mean Free range, human Right, right.
Speaker 1:Like Tolstoy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's what I'm saying is like so then the value? so then the value comes from how we see that as individual. So, like certain people might be, like I only look at, i only read books that are human generated, that aren't tainted by AI. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like there may be some kind of like I don't even know what you call that It's not racism.
Speaker 2:What would that be? That would be like tech, techism or something. Humanism, humanism.
Speaker 1:This thing's taken.
Speaker 2:Yeah exactly, but it's. I mean I feel like, nope, that's taken too. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But, I think it can.
Speaker 2:I think it can increase the. I think I think there'll just be more differentiation. But, as I said earlier, i feel like there's a point at there could be a point in the future where we can't that the line is so blurred that we don't even know whether or not we've interacted with.
Speaker 2:AI or not. We could go throughout our whole day, never interact with another human being, feel like we've interacted with other human beings, but we've just been interacting with very, very sophisticated AI the whole day. That makes us feel like, yeah, you had a conversation with another person, but it wasn't. It was just an AI. That was really good.
Speaker 1:For sure. Well, it's almost like, if I get a lot of attention, I almost assume it's AI. It's like I know I'm boring AI makes me feel interesting. Yes, the podcast host said to his audience.
Speaker 2:Well, and that's the same thing as like it, basically like oh, you look nice today. Oh yeah, it's like laughs at your jokes and all this stuff And you're like, wow, that's awesome, thanks. And taps into the narcissistic feelings of all humans that they like to hear their own name Like oh, welcome Brian. How are you, Brian? Nice to meet you today, brian. Sort of cringey but at the same time Well if done in the right context.
Speaker 2:Inadvertently, or I don't say inadvertently, but just in a strange way, your brain just reacts go, wow, i like man. They're saying my name a lot. That's awesome, like you know, like so.
Speaker 1:One one. Yeah, the human touch, so to speak, with the social skills that you kind of hinted at with being a lawyer, and the difference between, like a AI, doing all your research and such. Yeah, you know, i forget I'm parroting something I heard with I guess it was, chat GPT. I don't know, maybe it was the hype machine, but that more people preferred the quote bedside manner of AI than most actual doctors. Wow.
Speaker 1:I forget how they set that up, and so I'm like my recollection leaves me very skeptical right now, but it also seems kind of plausible. But it also seems like what you just said doctors who were, who were, who were not in it because they were helping people. They were in it because they wanted to pay off their Z three Roadster and medical school bills. That's right Yeah. Well, and it's, there are doctors who care, of course, of course, but it's sort. Of what you just said is that you.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of demands placed on a physician, right They're? they've got a balance being a business person. And how much time do I spend with this? I'm just like any other profession. How are you using your time?
Speaker 2:And unfortunately that, because of system, systematic things and other things, there are, you know, people that you know they don't. It's not, it's not 1950 anymore. You can't just like I'm going to hang out with this person and I'm going to chat with you about how you feel in and everything It's. That's not warm and fuzzy, it's it's. Hey, i got to get to the point because I got five other patients I got to see in this hour And so I've got to go. I got to do my rounds, i got to get them all done And you know I'm only here limited amount of time.
Speaker 2:That, whereas AI doesn't have those time constraints, like they're there, they're able to again like tapping into the narcissistic feeling they're there to like, oh, that's great, i'm so sorry. You're feeling terrible, how's your? how's your pain in your back feeling is that it's coming, you know, like just real focused on you, right, because they don't have anything else to do. They see, and that's really bad. I just called just like I'm humanizing AI already, because it doesn't have anything else to do. That's its job, and it can do 40 patients at the same time, whereas a human being cannot do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't have the, the evolutionary pressure, right Like it. Just it gets all of its processing power for free. It doesn't have to.
Speaker 2:Well, here's here's a bit more interesting, really really cynical, conspiratorial kind of thought process. Just wait and tell you they want to bill your insurance for AI talking to you while you're in the hospital.
Speaker 1:Wait, say that again, or so?
Speaker 2:like so, like AI, they have some kind of internal AI that is, in essence, helping to make sure that you're recovering well, that you're you know that you're taking care of during your time in your hospital And they're billing that. They bill your insurance because they're like yeah, you spoke to AI 17 times while you were in the hospital, so here's how much it costs to do that. And it's just interesting because you're like, i get talking to a human, but you're like so now you can have AI that talks to a bunch of patients, every patient in that hospital, whatever, that is, 1000 patients in one hospital. It can talk to all of them at the same time And it's billing for all that. So, like I said, that's I'm. I prefaced that by saying it's cynical and it's conspiratorial, that it's the American sort of you know it's money. You know you got there's money there you know, follow the money for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i wonder how this this is tangential, for sure, but you talk about healthcare and AI. I wonder how AI will be applied to like fraud, waste and abuse, or up, what is it called? up coding, or where You know, like, if I, if I go into a, was it a urgent care facility? because I've got a Sore neck. Yes, and they.
Speaker 1:You know, I've had it for three days and I'm basically on demand. There's only a couple of days left for my sore neck to be over with right and they give me like three months of muscle relaxers. Yeah that I was overkill. They They wanted to be able to build my health insurance and, you know, make it worth their time To pay off the Z3 Roadster and whatever right, right I don't know why. I think I met one doctor who drove a Z3 Roadster.
Speaker 2:You're just picking on the BMWs. Today It's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i actually like the Z3 Roadster. Maybe that's it. It is a cool car.
Speaker 2:I mean it's a little convertible. It's a fun car. That would be it. That's like a weekend car.
Speaker 2:It's like an Indian with wheels, yeah that's right, it's like if you had that and you could just drive that on the weekends when it's nice and warm out, and the rest of time It sits in the garage, you have your, your daily driver. But you got that where you pull it out on the weekend, you put the top down and you go driving. That's yeah, i'd want to. I'd want to pay it off, too, as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and, and I know I had kind of a bleak picture about creativity, but it is. I mean if, basically, if AI is essentially What, what calculators, word to math, you know, if AI or Chat, gbt is to creativity. Yeah then it is gonna make, gonna, it is going to make you turn into me for a second. Functionally more creative, yeah, like in terms of output and turn. it'll just be also Cheaper and less meaningful right? just yeah being able to do long division in your head is much more impressive and interesting than yeah.
Speaker 1:You know the type quick on a calculator.
Speaker 2:My concern, my concern with AI is is a little bit of the same concern that I've been having with Just. I guess the, the, the ability for and I say this as a podcaster who's like you know, both of us are like out here, like putting stuff out to the world, right is that there's so much content out there and, like my example is you can say whatever you want. Like you start a YouTube channel and you get 10 million people to watch your YouTube channel. In essence, to those 10 million people, you're Somewhat of an expert or you have something important to say, because they're all watching you on a regular basis. So there's, there's something there, like, but none of it has to be true, none of it has to be accurate, none of it has to be anything but to those 10 million people, they might use you as a resource for whatever subject matter or anything else that you're talking about. And I think the same thing with with AI is You know, obviously we become very dependent on it And it goes back to our you know our bias of the, you know the Google, google effect and everything else is. You know, we're gonna gonna, we're gonna see. I told you, you turned into me for a second. I just said it. We're going to We're going to have some issues with that, because I Think I think the the next level of things.
Speaker 2:And one Here's I like bobbling this sentence, but, like, i asked a recent college student about that because when I was in college And you wrote a paper, you just had to say what books you used, but there was nothing that you had to prove to that professor that those books were accurate or anything like that, or that your sources were accurate. You're like, yeah, we're assuming they're accurate. You just went to the library, you looked up this, the subject, you got the materials, you cited them and You wrote a paper about it, whereas now because the publishing process, that there's accuracy review, right, right, and now you have Wikipedia and you have all other.
Speaker 2:I mean that's group sourced. You've got other things on the internet YouTube where you just go, hey, i'm gonna go do search for whatever video about whatever subject and find some guy who just made a Video about which is how I researched for this show, by the way Is you go and it's just some guy that's like, yeah, i made this video and Again, it's going back to money, because if you get 10 million hits on a video, you can Make money off of one video that is a lot of people watch. So You know, like, how do we, i guess, how do we make sure that I Feel, well, let me go back. That's not how do we? I don't want to pose a question.
Speaker 2:I feel like the next frontier is There's gonna be something that has to be done in order so that. In order, so that the average person can Test the veracity of the information that they're getting. So it's gonna test and that's a big word. I I'm sorry people, i didn't mean that just to be able to, just to be able to test the. You know, if people are still listening by now in this episode, then you know they deserve a velocity.
Speaker 2:Yeah the truth and accuracy of that information, and I feel like that puts us in a circle, though, because somebody's gonna say We, i made this AI in order to figure out if it's like we talked about last time. This is the AI to detect whether AI was used and you're like. Well, this is the AI to detect whether AI was detected in the detector of the AI, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's always all the way down, but I mean, i think that's been true all along. It's just AI is gonna scale it even further. Right, right with, there's been hoaxes and you know, when I was in college, there were professors who prohibited Wikipedia as a source. Yes, you know, because it, because that vetting process was at least at that time, so we could. I don't know if it's stronger now or weaker now, but right at that time it was Right. At that time it, it was the whatever, the anathema. So, yeah, i think, but there's plenty of like conspiracy theories out there. The fake news Yeah, fake, fake news was fake. Well before we started calling it fake news, right, you know, i mean, in, even history tells us that in, in distant retrospect, there were plenty of things for which The populace was galvanized into war right that were.
Speaker 1:What's the word staged? Yeah or exaggerated. You know, like we became a nation because the Boston massacre, Where eight people died and those eight people picked the fight. You know, yeah, yeah, it was a Fake news. It was exaggerated based off of the agenda of those sharing and disseminating information. Right.
Speaker 1:Um, just now, it's People. We're giving people bigger megaphones, right? Yes? At the same time, though, if everyone has a megaphone, it's just a lot of noise. You and I, we're struggling to get an audience, in part because, yeah. We're we're in a couple of drops in a very large soup Of content.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're two drops in the ocean. Like two drops of water in the ocean. Yeah, I like my soup metaphor.
Speaker 1:Don't mess with it.
Speaker 2:Sorry With the food. We don't have food and food Sorry Oh food and philosophy, dang it. This is why we're struggling for an audience, because I don't even know what this podcast is about. Yeah, no, i mean. I agree, i think, i think that it's yeah basically.
Speaker 2:I feel like that's a bigger concern to me than The interaction of or use of AI and how. How it's sort of encroaching. I think going like what we talked about before is like the People who are out there saying that AI is gonna make we're gonna become a nation, we're gonna like all the doomsday kind of things. Sometimes I I think you said this actually and I'll say it in the way It's like me me thinks you know what is it? What is it like me? Me think you doth protest if too much, or whatever the quote is. It's like why are you guys? I think it's probably is, but I don't know, but anyway it's.
Speaker 1:So what's the question?
Speaker 2:I, it's probably is, but I don't know. Anyway, it's uh. So why? why are you so? So that's my. My concern is that fear is a motivator. So if it's hey, this is gonna extinct, you know we're, it's gonna lead to our extinction. Oh, but you know what? I have something that will save us, but that's something cost money, but I'll save you guys. I've got it, i've already developed it, it's ready to go, oh, but somebody just has to pay for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And we need to.
Speaker 1:We need to fund our resources to implement and disseminate, and well and fear is a powerful motivator. You know it's a negative motivator.
Speaker 2:It's a powerful motivator. If you, you know you're selling life insurance, you're like, you know you could die tomorrow. You could die right now, you could keel over right now and your kids would not have any money, you know, while holding a gun to their head, right?
Speaker 1:You die right now.
Speaker 2:I'd like to buy some insurance. Yeah exactly, You probably should. You probably should.
Speaker 1:Well, that's, that's how we sell anything. Right is the fear, uncertainty, doubt, fud, if you do yes and There's that. Yeah, i don't know, that's like maybe that's another AI episode, because we talked about before the, the moat that no one has. There is no moat. Yes.
Speaker 1:And they're trying to create one with your regulation. Mm-hmm like they. They have the fear, uncertainty of doubt and having a monopoly on AI. So they're trying to give us fear, uncertainty and doubt so that we'll clamor for regulation. And now that becomes a remote Yeah um, you can't uh, just like you can't become the hospital without going through, like, all kinds of HIPAA compliance protocols and yep tons of funding. Um, there's a moat there. I had somebody I was talking to somebody about that recently.
Speaker 2:They were saying their company purchases hospitals. They just go around the country and find hospitals and they purchase them and then they basically go through the hospital to make sure that everything is optimized. So it's a maximum profit making. You know institution right And exactly what healthcare should be sort of sort of bad.
Speaker 2:I know I get that, but but here's the thing that they told me that getting. I won't judge that part of it. What I'll say is The what you were just talking about is It takes them sometimes years Of the vetting process in order to purchase something, because they want to make sure that when they're purchasing it, there isn't something that they're going to get into, that They're like oh yeah, we're going to have to shut this hospital down. You just paid, you know, 500 million dollars for this hospital and Oh, by the way, there's this regulatory thing that's going to shut you down in six months After you just purchased it. Right? So they want to make sure they know what they're doing. They're due diligence and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:So it's, you know, on musk and twitter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, exactly, except that's a. That's a few more zeros, for for sure, all right. Well, yeah, i think that might be it for today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a good talk.
Speaker 2:We'll do probably one more episode. I would say we got to come up with some, a few more things that we'll talk about with this. Um, i did. There was one thing I did we didn't talk about. That I want to talk about which is humor, ai and humor, and Which, somewhat, is tied to the creativity thing, but it's also, in the current state where it is right now, is where is it going to go and how is it going to? you know, is it, can it get better in a way that You could replace somebody like a stand-up comic? you know what I mean I mean. So just imagine a.
Speaker 1:Put a laptop on a stool in a stage, right, right, exactly and people are filling arenas to watch the AI generated stand-up comic.
Speaker 2:You know, um, who knows? well, we'll talk about it next time, though, and Yeah, it's a wrap, peace out call back.