Have you ever wondered how a breakfast quesadilla could kick start your day? Join us as we reveal the secret recipe to our morning delight — a quesadilla packed with snack-sized tortillas, egg white patties, turkey sausage, thin slice cheese, and a dash of hot sauce. But the culinary journey doesn't stop there. We also delve into the world of breakfast burritos, comparing homemade, fast-food, and hipster versions, while highlighting some shocking facts about their sodium content. And for that midday hunger pang, we've got you covered with beef jerky and a king-size Payday bar.
Is your life a whirlwind of chaos and you can't seem to find order? We've got insights on how to harness the seemingly overwhelming chaos and create a sense of order. We share personal strategies like decluttering for 32 days straight and the screens-off-at-10pm rule. If you're a control freak, you'll love our conversation about using chaos to your advantage. But we also stress the importance of creating order for children without stifling their creativity and independence.
Life is all about balance, isn't it? In our final segment, we discuss the delicate equilibrium of homeostasis. Learn how simple table topics can help us navigate chaos and ensure mental clarity. Listen as we dissect the role of stress and how it serves its purpose in maintaining the balance between chaos and order. Some might even say that our physical environment mirrors our mental state. So, join us on this enlightening episode as we explore the symbiosis between our surroundings and our state of mind. Let's find that balance together.
Have you ever wondered how a breakfast quesadilla could kick start your day? Join us as we reveal the secret recipe to our morning delight — a quesadilla packed with snack-sized tortillas, egg white patties, turkey sausage, thin slice cheese, and a dash of hot sauce. But the culinary journey doesn't stop there. We also delve into the world of breakfast burritos, comparing homemade, fast-food, and hipster versions, while highlighting some shocking facts about their sodium content. And for that midday hunger pang, we've got you covered with beef jerky and a king-size Payday bar.
Is your life a whirlwind of chaos and you can't seem to find order? We've got insights on how to harness the seemingly overwhelming chaos and create a sense of order. We share personal strategies like decluttering for 32 days straight and the screens-off-at-10pm rule. If you're a control freak, you'll love our conversation about using chaos to your advantage. But we also stress the importance of creating order for children without stifling their creativity and independence.
Life is all about balance, isn't it? In our final segment, we discuss the delicate equilibrium of homeostasis. Learn how simple table topics can help us navigate chaos and ensure mental clarity. Listen as we dissect the role of stress and how it serves its purpose in maintaining the balance between chaos and order. Some might even say that our physical environment mirrors our mental state. So, join us on this enlightening episode as we explore the symbiosis between our surroundings and our state of mind. Let's find that balance together.
Welcome to Help Yourself. Food and Philosophy with Brian and Nick. I'm Nick and I'm Brian. I looked up cleanliness in the dictionary. Turns out it's right next to godliness. I needed a dictionary. Anybody out?
Speaker 2:there knows how the dictionary works.
Speaker 3:That makes perfect sense, you know.
Speaker 1:It's. It's alphabetical. It doesn't work if you're used to dictionarycom.
Speaker 3:Right right.
Speaker 1:If you're, if you're born before a certain after a certain year.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're just like what. I just put the word in and it gives me the definition. I don't understand.
Speaker 2:Type it in what's next to?
Speaker 3:what? What am I eating? So I I'm actually saving myself for dinner and you're practicing abstinence. I am practicing.
Speaker 1:You're gonna promise me on dinner Exactly I've got.
Speaker 3:So no, but for the for breakfast I was gonna say what I made was a breakfast quesadilla, which is really good. So funny it's an invention of my own. I know there's other people that have done it before, but I'll claim a part of that. At least I make my own unique version of it. So I take some of the mini little high fiber wraps that I use. There are like 30 calories each. They're like the snack size, so they're about five inches around, right. And then like she's the details, yeah, basically.
Speaker 3:And then I bought some frozen egg white patties that are just like you just heat them up in the microwave. There's like little patties, right. And I also bought some turkey sausage that was frozen so I can keep it at the office and it's here for me. Bought some couple like some thin slice cheese. So like the thin slices of cheese are about 45 calories each, but you still get that flavor of cheese in there.
Speaker 3:And then I put in some some kind of hot sauce like tapatio or something like that. That'll give it a little bit of spice, and I basically heat it all up in the, so it's like it's almost like a hamburger, like I cut the sausages up so that they're little like almost like they're links. But I cut them up into little pieces so that you can set them all flat and then I melt the cheese on top of them and it holds it all together and then I eat it like a hamburger, so like I have like a tortilla on the top and on the bottom, and I eat it like that and it's good, man, it's super good. It's just like an egg McBride sandwich. It is, yeah, it's an egg McDia or whatever.
Speaker 2:A.
Speaker 3:McDude, a McDude, a McDude, a McDude.
Speaker 2:A McDude, a McDude.
Speaker 3:A McDude, A McDude, A McDude. So so, yeah, I had that for breakfast and I had a couple snacks. I had a couple snacks throughout the day. I had a couple pieces of beef jerky and I've been drinking water all day. Oh, sorry, I don't want to jump into Brian's Beverage Corners just yet and I did have a part of a. I got hungry earlier and I had a payday bar here. It's like one of the king size payday bars which is like you know, yeah, so they're like the rolled in peanuts, you know.
Speaker 3:So, not the worst thing. It's not like I mean it's still a candy bar, but it's not the worst thing. So I had, I opened one of those and had about a third of one of their like king size bars, just as like a snack, because it's got a lot of nuts on it.
Speaker 3:So you know and then but Brian's Beverage Corner is is all is functioning really well. Today I've got my. I just filled up some ice in my nice Fahrenheit iron flask so I got water in that. Ice and water. Sorry, I filled up ice and then I put water in it and then I'm drinking this pirate looking thing. Check this bottle out, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Looks like I'm like drinking like rum or something. I'm a pirate Like a glass cask Like yo ho ho right, and a bottle of root beer.
Speaker 1:And it has yeah exactly it's.
Speaker 3:It's Virgil Special Edition I got this at. For those of you in the South you'll know this is a Cracker Barrel old country store has like a whole section of like weird odd drinks and most of them are like the super sugary crazy like I would never drink them, which this is also. But I had to buy it because it was a Special Edition Bavarian Nutmeg root beer and it came in this fancy bottle with the like flip top and everything.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:It looks like it came straight from. Bavaria 300 years ago. Right, right, and it's. It says it's micro brewed with natural ingredients and, dude, it's pretty good it's like. I certainly would not drink one of these every day. It's like 250 calories for the bottle and a lot of sugar, but I'll say for like a for the audience and for the treat. I decided to treat myself on this not disclosed day or, excuse me, redacted day, I should say and then, in addition to my root beer, I'm having a real beer, like an actual beer.
Speaker 1:Wow, sweetwater IPA, sweetwater IPA.
Speaker 3:I just I typically don't like IPAs too much, but this one is not too bad. Like you know how IPAs sometimes are, like really hoppy, Like they just get you know, it's like, it's almost like there was a contest at one point where the IPA makers got together and they're like I can be more hoppy than you. And they're like, no, I bet I could do. And they just like kept putting more hops, and more hops, and more hops and anyway this was not that bad so.
Speaker 1:Just clap along if you feel the what is it Hoppy Hoppy?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm happy Because.
Speaker 1:I feel happy I'm happy yeah.
Speaker 3:That's the IPA makers, that's their, that's their theme song you didn't know that.
Speaker 1:I pee hoppy yeah.
Speaker 3:So, anyway, this is a, like I said, diving into that a little bit, and so I've got the two beers, the root beer and the IPA, and it's going well for me. So we'll see how orderly or chaotic this rep, this episode, is. We'll find that out soon. But what are you eating? I see that you're chomping on stuff over there. What are?
Speaker 1:you eating I'm playing from the Brian playbook Any frozen box dinner cuisine, come to the dark side and I'm in deep literally, it's deep Indian kitchen.
Speaker 3:I've had those before. Those are really good.
Speaker 1:I love the little logo because they have one E backwards, so it looks exactly the same year and if you look at it upside, down or right side up yeah, it's like a visual palindrome. I don't know, I'm easily amused. Anyway, they have a chicken vindaloo, vindaloo. Yeah, I was going to butcher all these, not because I think it's funny, it's because I'm ignorant.
Speaker 3:It's like me trying to say turmeric.
Speaker 1:You know it's funny because they have turmeric in this. It's turmeric rice, that's your right, I mean this in it, roasted chicken and spicy sauce. Spicy like they got three peppers as a decal.
Speaker 3:Wow, three out of what how do like five.
Speaker 1:I think three out of three.
Speaker 3:It doesn't look like there's room for a fourth with the circles that they drew. Nice and the same size circle.
Speaker 1:On the other entree is a one pepper inside of it, so it's called mild and it's also roasted chicken, but coconut sauce and cumin basmati rice.
Speaker 3:Oh, cumin, that's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and averaging 23 grams of protein, so I'm getting like 46 grams of protein, right?
Speaker 3:now, yeah, wait, did you just dump those into one bowl? Both of those?
Speaker 1:Yes, because the hot is too hot and the mild is too mild. I wanted to go Goldilocks on this thing.
Speaker 3:That's awesome.
Speaker 1:Should I put the full Brian and read to you the?
Speaker 3:nutritional value is everyone wants to hear.
Speaker 1:I'll give the cliff notes. Wait, are they?
Speaker 3:are these vegan or these are not vegan. They have chicken, so right, what, sorry they anything else, like a tree or anything else?
Speaker 1:No, antibiotics, no artificial ingredients, that's good I think they had a real Indian cook, the real Indian food, and then they just froze it for me to a real Indian cook, the real.
Speaker 2:I want to know how you know that.
Speaker 3:It's a little tag on here it says cooked by Jamesh or I don't know. I don't know what an Indian name, a traditional Indian name, is.
Speaker 1:Let's see so a total. Across both, I got a total of 670 calories.
Speaker 3:Okay, that's like that's basically like a liner right.
Speaker 1:That's like a late lunch, early dinner for you, and that's what it is for me, because I'll ahead. Today was up. Oh yeah, for breakfast. Today I had a breakfast burrito.
Speaker 3:What did you have? What was in the breakfast burrito?
Speaker 1:Eggs, tomatoes, chilies.
Speaker 2:Oh dude.
Speaker 1:Maybe a bit of cheese, some peppers.
Speaker 3:That's fine. When I open my breakfast restaurant, there's going to be some good breakfast burritos.
Speaker 1:They're hard to find. By giving they are, I mean most, most, most most legit Mexican restaurants aren't open for breakfast, that's right. So that leaves, sonic or like McDonald's.
Speaker 3:like McDonald's breakfast burritos are terrible, oh I don't I've they have like a sausage sausage and egg burrito.
Speaker 1:It's not good, it's just that with the like the plastic melted cheese.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And same thing. Sonic has that too. Sonic has like sliced cheese in their breakfast burritos.
Speaker 1:No, you get the super breakfast burrito. Oh, it's the top.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's still sliced cheese, but there's like real sausage, tomatoes, onions you know actual ingredients in there along with the melted sliced cheese. Yeah, yeah, but that was basically my choice, right? I thought you know Dorie's like hey, how do you want to break your fast in the morning? It's like I am craving a breakfast burrito. I'm thinking either Sonic or Chick-fil-A and she, she turns out like a real, you know, like basically a hipster quality, like a foodie quality breakfast burrito and totally surprised me, I feel like breakfast burritos always turn out better.
Speaker 3:I mean, the fast food places they just throw them together. You know it's like with the basic stuff, but like when you make one at home, I feel like they just always turn out better. Like they just like actual scrambled eggs, not like some kind of weird whatever they use at fast food restaurants and you know whatever kind of cheese you want in your own salsa and, like you said, even put some onion and peppers in there.
Speaker 3:You know it's good. You'll love this man Because Sonic does this as well is in one of their burritos. Breakfast burritos is tots. They put tots in it which is like little mini, little mini hash browns inside your burrito. Dude, why am I saying dude a lot? I'm saying dude a lot in this episode, all right.
Speaker 1:Maybe you're channeling something.
Speaker 2:The sodium is to die for yeah, yeah, it's usually my present meal, I'm looking at what.
Speaker 1:62% of the daily value. Okay, that's okay, it's, it's tasty.
Speaker 2:It's not bad. You haven't had a lot of water here. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But before I get into my beverages, like you had tipped ahead, Dory hooked me up with a tiny little bowl of coffee flavored ice cream. I think it's hot.
Speaker 2:Dude.
Speaker 1:Have you tried the residual heat of the? This is all I mean over here.
Speaker 3:You like coffee flavored ice cream? Have you tried the Jenny's coffee and cream Dude? I'm gonna bring you some no.
Speaker 1:So I'm shaking my head, no to you and like, oh, that doesn't do good for radio. No, I'm gonna bring you some because that's really good, it's so good, I'm requesting to your old California.
Speaker 3:So I don't know what is happening today. I don't know why I'm doing that. It's all Like dude, I haven't even like. I'm gonna be like bro, bro, I Don't know what's happening. Anyway, sorry, I apologize deeply.
Speaker 1:Such a peacemaker apologizing for being yourself.
Speaker 3:It might be the beer. It's the half a beer that I've had here.
Speaker 1:Well, between the root beer and the beer. Beer is right, right, so I've got. I've got my water, and Previously as part of my breakfast burrito, but it took me all day to finish it off was a nice big home brewed iced coffee nice at the MCT Also, I finished off a half drunk. But International Delight, oh I. I bought it because it looked like the Cinnabon drink.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it does look like over the same colors and everything.
Speaker 1:But it doesn't taste like it. It's not it tastes like Just yeah.
Speaker 3:You're on a mission, yeah.
Speaker 1:P. What is it when they over overcook milk so that it's sterile? Pasturization that's it. Yeah, it's like twice pasteurized cream. Yeah, a little bit of iced coffee. Yeah, it's so. It was so bland. Yeah, I finished it. It took me two trips but I finished it. Yeah, that's that's what I've been eating and drinking and, inspired by you, I might, I might pull it out. Pull out one of my gold monkeys Golden nice victory, victory, victory brewing high-grab. Yeah. What is it? A nine point five yeah yeah, nine point five.
Speaker 3:It's basically two beers for one. You're basically like one twelve ounces two for one.
Speaker 1:So three, three slip, three slips and you slurp your words.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Exactly, exactly. Well, you want to get into our topic for today? This is the weirdest set of recordings we've had so far out of all. Well, first of all, we have to apologize to our audience for being behind and not we're not releasing this episode on time. It's, we're recording it and it's actually gonna be. We're recording this to be we're. We actually went ahead in time because we're recording this and we're gonna release it before.
Speaker 3:We just yeah, we're gonna release it yesterday. So, even though you guys are gonna see it, it's gonna list on our listing of episodes as it was released yesterday.
Speaker 1:So Where's the speed will lie to you.
Speaker 3:You're welcome right, exactly, yeah, we'll just, we'll blame it on your technology, to you like. Well, your phone must not have picked up the thing when we uploaded. It wasn't us, man, I mean.
Speaker 1:And that's fulfilling the long-standing tradition of gaslighting your audience.
Speaker 3:Hey, there's no better way to develop relationships than gaslighting people heavily. You know it's not like we're on records saying otherwise. I was actually no, this is okay. Before we get into the topic, I was listening to a podcast recently and this person said they were having a conversation podcast about a podcast. So they were. They were like talking about something. And the one guy said, oh hey, can you send me I won't remember that this, so can you send me an email. And the one guy's like you could just listen back to the podcast. And he was like, oh yeah, I could just listen back to this.
Speaker 1:Like he was just in the moment. Yeah, exactly he was.
Speaker 3:He's not even aware there's a microphone in front of him, so anyway, all right. So we talked about initially a Few weeks ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we did this in order, right we talked about order, but that created some chaos right. So we're like okay, fine, chaos, you win. Yeah and so we recorded about chaos, first because apparently wanted to go first right, and now we're so continue to honor chaos were chaotically talking about order right which I think I'm absolutely contributing to right now.
Speaker 3:That's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all this out of your sweetwater IPA, apparently.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's the day for Chaotic orderliness or orderly chaos anyway.
Speaker 2:All right, so we talked.
Speaker 3:So we were talking about chaos in order and we were talking about Initially we were trying to do an episode when we talked about order, about why you'd want order in your life and not chaos, and then we did the last episode where we were talking about why you'd want chaos in your life, and I think the end result is I don't know.
Speaker 3:I don't want to get to the end result, but I feel like I feel like there's a mixture of stuff. But so, before we even get into the order thing, I'll say that some people I feel like some people thrive more in order and some people thrive More and can't like some people want more chaos in their life, and other people are like I've got a, I've got to have exactly. I got to do that. I got to feel like I'm in control of everything and, as with most things, it's probably Bad either way. Like if you crave chaos too much or if you crave order too much, I feel like that's bad because I'm saying too much yeah, if you, a regular amount is okay, but anyway, I think.
Speaker 1:I think there's four kinds of people Right. We're gonna be a little four square work here.
Speaker 2:Got it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think. Yes, there are people who thrive in chaos and there are people who thrive in order, but I think within that there is another slice that's pretty easy to make. So people who thrive in chaos do so because they themselves are chaotic and they enjoy being around chaos, right?
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, then there's others who thrive in chaos because they have something to do. They have work to do. They they can burn order out of that chaos. They can create order from chaos.
Speaker 1:Yeah and then, you know, flipping that around. The same is true for people who Thrive in order. There's people who are totally chaotic, right, like they're beat mix or whatever yes, modern equivalent is and they're feeding off the system. They're there, are their own chaos and they wouldn't be able to continue to exist if they weren't within the structure of society. Right, and you know what not. But then there's also people who are very orderly and they thrive on order Because they want to start from a strong base and they want to maintain that order. Right, like thinking like peacekeepers as opposed to peacemakers. Mm-hmm, war, so to speak. One just needs the threat of war and to prevent it, but then the other, that's the keeper peace, keeping the peace.
Speaker 1:Yeah avoiding war together. But then there's peacemakers, people who Are In the war, making peace from it.
Speaker 3:Right, right, Well I feel like. But I know, the other thing I was thinking is that's what about? What about people who are orderly and our control freaks, but they create chaos in other people around them because that gives them a sense of control. So, mm-hmm, isn't that a weird? That's weird.
Speaker 1:Well, I think, I think that's yeah, I know people like that Because, yeah, for them maybe it makes total sense or it creates more order for their purposes, right, right to suit their interests. But then if my interests aren't aligned with theirs, then the more order they create for themselves, the more chaos they're creating for me. Right, think of like a I don't know it's trick to parent, just to kind of go for that cliche yeah, You're, you're actually like At some point. I don't, the line can be different for different people, whatever, but at some point you can be too strict, right, and you can ruin someone's childhood by creating too much order, being a helicopter parent, saving them from any kind of failure, them not knowing how to deal with failure.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We're being totally afraid of failure, that they never learn to learn from failure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, one of the, that's one of the good things that my parent, I just I.
Speaker 3:That sounds really bad. One of the good things my parents did, like like they did Just for that. Yeah, I was gonna say almost like they did almost nothing good anyway, no, they did. They did a lot of good things, but one of the good things was that they trusted me, so like a. So the story is here's an example is two weeks after I got my driver's license, I trashed a car into a tree and it wasn't. I wasn't doing anything bad, I wasn't drinking or like doing drugs, or I was actually going to buy. This is really. This is more embarrassing than anything else. I was going to the local convenience store to get Susie Q's. If anybody remembers Susie Q's, they're like they were a host of snackers, like chocolate cake with cream filling in the middle, but it was like a sandwich.
Speaker 3:And you got to him in a pack and I was like I'm gonna go get my some me, some Susie Q's. It's a Saturday afternoon and I got my driver's license I go wherever I want, you know. And anyway I was going and I was leaving the library from actually writing a term paper for high school and I, just out of inexperience, I crashed into a tree right. It wasn't like I, just I was driving by and books went under my feet and I just reached out to get the books Without continuing to watch the road. I'm not doing anything wrong.
Speaker 3:Exactly. No, I'm saying I was doing something wrong in terms of driving correctly, but I wasn't doing anything wrong, like I wasn't like a bad kid but easily my parents could have just said, well, that's it, you don't get to drive anymore. But you know they. You know we were able to get a new car and thankfully I was a group sort of privileged and got a new car and they allowed me to drive that car. So you know that that shows like, showed a level of like. Hey, you know what you messed up, like you weren't doing anything wrong, like you messed up because of an experience and you made a big mistake and unfortunately it cost us an entire vehicle. But you know we now trust you with this other vehicle. And I will say the last thing my dad said when I the first time I took that vehicle, my dad gave me the keys and was like don't crash it, like Immediately.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was justified, it was I deserved it, you know, but it wasn't very useful, like it might be like hey, next time something flies through the floorboard, leave it there, forget it.
Speaker 3:Forget about it. Exactly, you got to be like in in the sopranos. Forget about it, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, why don't? Why don't we crash into trees, brian, to learn to get back on?
Speaker 3:Right, exactly no. So I like I feel like like you were talking about parenting and talking about you know, that kind of thing, and I feel like I feel like part of the job as a parent is to like create some order for you know, but also not constrict like you said, not being so strict that you're constraining your child, you know. So, yeah, we had to, I got it. I got to say what you just did, because that we're doing a podcast about order and Nick just had to get up and straighten the photo behind him that's on the wall. You're like, I need this to be perfectly straight.
Speaker 1:It wasn't level, I was listening.
Speaker 3:Well, so anyway.
Speaker 1:But the reason why you know the takeaway for us, when we were trying to explore like why to have more order in your life, why to have more chaos in your life, it was because we need both right. We need balance and.
Speaker 1:And I think another area in which we run the risk of having too much order is in a training environment, because all of the examples are very simple Right the whether you're doing good or bad is absolutely clear. You get a quantifiable score as to your performance or level of learning, your level of improvement.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then you get into the real world and there are no more quantifiable scores, right like At least in terms of like work and performance and things. I mean I guess more the little car kind of work you could have, like production quotas, but that's still more like a speed measure, not really a quality measure. Maybe you got the most widgets down the conveyor belt but there's nothing about error rate. You know that's checked after the fact, hard to tie back to the person and so forth. So they're really know it's really hard to know what you're doing a good job.
Speaker 1:And then to the concept of Kind learning environments versus wicked learning. Whether you know, I think it's some psychologists concept I don't remember who came over there and probably Google it later put it in the show notes but I'm a big fan of the concept At every point. It's proven that we learn better in terms of quality when we at least have some wickedness in our learning environment. I don't know if I mentioned this in the episode that survived our chaos or if I said it in the first one or what, but like I know, I brought something of this up where basketball, basketball players who practice the three point shot from the three point line just standing there.
Speaker 1:Yeah and basketball players who practice from the three point line standing there, but also like leaning to the left and leaning to the right, or jumping backwards and shooting, or you know, squatting and jumping and shooting, or whatever.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:In terms of performance and the their what I don't know what it's called like the, the frequency with which they actually land the three point shot in an actual game. Those who practice in variable conditions and situations make the shot a lot more often than those who practice just from one position only. And the distinction there is the person who's just standing there is is creating a kind learning environment for themselves, for their body and their muscle memory to make the shot, whereas the person who's trying to mimic a live scenario is better matching to the wicked environment of the stress, intention and action that occurs in a real game. But it's sort of a spectrum, right, because technically speaking, like sports, is considered a kind environment relative to, say, the stock market or fighting the infantry in a war. Right, you know when you're winning on the court of a basketball field. You don't know if you're winning on the court of raising your kids. You know, like right.
Speaker 1:It's totally different. You don't know until they're 33 and homeless that you might have messed up a time or two as a parent, whereas you know in basketball you know when you miss the shot.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you miss the game, you miss the championship.
Speaker 3:I feel like I mean, I feel like here's the heart, the hard part of talking about order versus chaos, because in those examples there's two variables, meaning like there's two, yeah, let's say, well, in those there's two human beings, right? So in, you know, in different things, like for instance, in it's really it's a lot easier to bring order into your own life than it is to try to bring order into someone else's, because you've got not only your free will and what you're trying to do, but the other person's free will, so they can make a decision that counteracts any decision that you make, and not intentionally, but you know. And so I feel like I don't know, like I'll say this about order is that I believe that that it's fleeting. Well, it's futile Let me use that word it's futile to chase order. And you know, when I first started this and I wish that, I wish our first initial episode. Actually, if you listen to the first initial episode, you can hear me talk. You just can't hear Nick talk, which is really the best part of this podcast, you know, is I mean you have the better half of the situation. I mean you have the better half of the situation Anyway. So the thing about it is that I feel like when I first started talking about this stuff, I was like, well, yeah, order, you gotta have order. You gotta like read self-help books and it helps you make your life in order, like it helps you get. And now I'm like, not the actual opposite, like I'm not saying you need to bring chaos into your life, but what I do know is you need to get comfortable with chaos. Like you need to understand that life is unpredictable, that other people are gonna zig. When you zag, like they're gonna make a decision that you had no idea they were gonna make, and you have to be okay with that. You have to be like, yeah, okay, if that happens, I'll deal with it. And I think I did mention this in the first time we recorded the order episode is talking about the six pillars of self-esteem and the main definition he gives for self-esteem is you feeling capable of you, feeling like you have the tools and the capabilities in order to handle the things that will be thrown at you in life.
Speaker 3:And I'm paraphrasing a little bit, but the thing is that's the it's not in that definition. Inherent in that definition is that you're there's going to be chaos, things are gonna happen that you don't, you never expected. But the question is, do you have the ability to in your mind, say, okay, if that happens, I'll be okay, like I feel capable of handling that circumstance or situation and yeah, self-confidence, self-esteem, right, self-esteem, I mean exactly self-confidence, self-esteem. And that's where I'm thinking it's futile to continue to change or to continue to chase or to continue to be able to do things that are not in the right order in your life.
Speaker 3:Like there are certain things you can do, like right now we're going through everything in our house because we've got a bunch of crap like in our house, like just stuff that is like we've had. Our kids are 15 and 18 and it's like a collection of their entire lives, of stuff, like physical stuff that has just like oh, we'll put that in a box and we'll put it in the corner, okay, well, then now we get new stuff and okay, we'll put that in a box, and there's a lot of boxes, so now we have to start going through stuff and go in. Okay, let's bring some order to this chaos and that you know, getting rid of clutter and all kinds of other stuff, even though that's a physical change in the environment, everybody says hey, if you change your physical environment, you're gonna change your mentality. So actually you can talk about that, because you're how many days into your streak are you of decluttering? I have 30, 32 days?
Speaker 1:Nice Started, yeah, 32 days consecutively. How does it?
Speaker 3:feel.
Speaker 1:Do you feel like?
Speaker 3:you have more order in your life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean there's a lot less clutter around me. It's, I feel, like just less clutter in the mind. Similarly, another way I'm getting order in my life is I'm doing the screens off at 10 pm oh, my local time.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's not bedtime, right, that's part of it. For me, trying to tell myself that, okay, I'm going to bed at 11, or I'm going to bed at 11, 30 or whatever time I said, it never works, because I'm an adult, I don't have a bedtime, like you know, like I just thought it was funny that you said local time.
Speaker 3:Like you're like. I turned my screens off at Greenwich Mean Time, Like it's like.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I don't know. I'm talking to the audience, maybe. Maybe I know If I said, I don't know why I said it, I just thought the way that you could push the rules is anyway, oh no, well, I'm saying local time for the benefit of the audience. My official rule is the time zone that I'm in, regardless. Well, the time zone in which I made the rule.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Regardless of what time zone I'm in that day, right? So if I'm traveling in the time zones an hour ahead, I need to like be done, I guess, an hour earlier. I don't have the math on that. I'll figure it out if I'm ever traveling. But my trick there is going to be email, right, I'll go through and delete or unsubscribe from stuff for 15 minutes or more on the email. There's plenty of work to be done there, but my official goal, my final goal, is to have no piles in my office.
Speaker 3:Oh gosh man.
Speaker 1:I probably had. I mean, it was really really bad, like I had a picture on my phone of like a panoramic.
Speaker 3:It's packed everywhere.
Speaker 1:So kind of like before yeah, there's seven piles visible, not counting like what was in my closet or you know pile Like I had a pile on my nightstand, it was so bad. And now I'm basically down to only piles in my office and, yeah, it's like one and a half, two and a half.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. That's how I want to get it.
Speaker 3:I'm not gonna start doing that.
Speaker 1:Stop two more minutes.
Speaker 3:Go ahead. Sorry, oh, I was gonna say I gotta start doing that, Cause I have piles in my office of stuff where it's like, ah, I gotta figure out where this stuff is. And I spend part of my day every day looking for things. I'm like, oh, I knew that wasn't one of these piles. And then I have to go through the piles and then it's not good. It's really not good.
Speaker 1:So every time you do that. That's a cost, right A time cost Exactly your attention and willpower cost.
Speaker 3:Well, and frustration and stress levels.
Speaker 1:you know, yeah, and it's. I will say it's much slower going because at first it was all the easy stuff that I was clubbing right, it's expired coupons or filing stuff that I was gonna file later. Right, that's easy, but now it's pretty much. Everything left in the pile represents one or more to-do items. Yeah, the only way to be clever, that is either to once again touch the to-do item and transfer it to you know one, a few sheets of paper.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Or just do the thing right, and either either case it's gonna take some time.
Speaker 3:Well, and I think that's, I think this all touches on a good point, which is, you know, it's again changing your physical environment, changes your mentality, and I feel like if you have a, you know, if you feel like your environment is chaotic, then your brain is gonna be chaotic, and I think that's. And so jumping to the next step of that is we're all searching for sort of order in our brain.
Speaker 3:Well, we're searching for order in our brain. So, when you talk about self-help, I think people try to control the physical environment, because that's what you can somewhat control, but like you can't control. Well, you can to an extent, but it's a lot harder to sit down and say I'm gonna control my thoughts or I'm gonna control whatever else. Well, sometimes that physical environment can help you to control your thoughts, which is what we're all, because, to me, the chaos here's what the chaos brings. The chaos brings stress, and then, with that stress, you feel like you're less in control. You feel like, even if you make it, some progress towards a goal, you feel like you've made less progress because you still feel chaotic. And so I feel like that's where order has the value is, what are we trying to get here? We're trying to get inner peace to some extent, and I think that we sort of like I think they blend together. I don't know that everybody thinks about it that way, but like they, you know. But I think I don't know, I think you're right.
Speaker 1:I think they blend together. I think that's was it. Physiologically, we're seeking homeostasis, right? If things are too hot, we try to cool down. If we're too cold, we try to warm up. We're hungry, we try to balance it out. If we're stuffed, we stop eating.
Speaker 3:Yeah, usually.
Speaker 1:Usually Eventually. I mean, I think we want to equal equilibrium.
Speaker 1:I think, we want balance and I think that's what, coming back to the yin and yang, that is right, is. You know, when one, when one gets bigger, the other diminishes, and if you can have too much of one, that means you have not enough of the other. It's finding that balance. Yeah, you don't have to take Lotus anyways, just rely on what that means. There is a way where you can be so orderly that you become chaotic again. You become out of control. I'm thinking like OCD or was it fast, I can't say it fascist governments or where they're like.
Speaker 1:All of your autonomy, or nearly all of your autonomy, is taken away and you're just a cog in a very big and eventually inefficient machine. Right it ends up being where human life is not respected or honored and ended like it's rubbish. That's pretty chaotic. But, it's in the name of a lot of order, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think you're right. I think I mean, I don't know, I'm struggling to try to see or try to talk about I don't know, like I feel like I feel like it's interesting because every is just like certain people. What am I trying to say? Nobody talks about chaos. Everybody talks about order, like, in my opinion, like everybody talks about how to bring more order and, as we talked about in our chaos episode, you know, chaos serves its purpose, right? Chaos? Like things that are unexpected in your life and spontaneous, and things that are thrown at you that you didn't know were coming. They make you, they force you to be at like, a certain level of readiness, they force you to be, and that's stress, you know. Stress is just readiness, that's what it is. It's like your body going okay, something might be coming. I got to be ready for it, Right.
Speaker 3:And obviously, stress can go really bad if you've got too much of it all the time. But stress also serves its purpose and we talked about this in our, I think in the original order episode or the other chaos one, I can't remember which one.
Speaker 2:They all blend together. These are so bad.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're so bad, anyway. So you know it used to be that it was like that fight or flight thing. It's like the you know you've got to be ready for, like what if a lion jumps out and is trying to get you, a snake is going to bite you as you're walking by a bush or whatever. So it's all somewhat built into the system and so, as as with most things, it's like okay, if it's built into the system, then how? How do we manage that? Like, how do we deal with it? Right, and I think I mean, all right, bingo card Toastmasters helps you with with a couple of things, and I think table topics is chaos. I think table topics is you learning to deal with a little bit of chaos, like a little micro dose of chaos? Yeah, it's chaos, right, exactly, it's like you got to figure out one to two minutes on whatever and you're not going to know it could come out of anything, any question in the world for two minutes, right.
Speaker 1:Yep, that's pretty, but it's weird, right, because there is that one to two minute threshold, right? You know, there are certain questions that are off limits in terms of, like, true sex politics, right, but yeah, so there are rules, but then everything else is right. We're trying to create a a kindish, wicked environment of learning to speak on the fly, you know there's, but it's that thing of like like you've talked about.
Speaker 3:I know you collect good interview questions, like good job interview questions, right, interesting questions, and those are just table topic questions, right, you know. But you just happen to saying to be saying those in the context of a job interview and I think that I think that's what also what a job interview is sort of trying to get at is like you know, how do you deal with talking to someone that you've never talked to before, that you don't really know? Can you read a room? I mean, it's almost like a little you know, like we've talked about comics before.
Speaker 3:It's like can you read the room? Can you do you understand who your audience is? Can you how and how quickly can you do that? Because anything that you do, you're going to have to do that right, like it could be talking with a coworker, it could be talking with a client, it could be talking with, you know, somebody from a different company, or it could be in a job interview. But it's like you're going to have to deal with a little bit of that chaos, at least mentally, where you're like okay, I got to figure out really quickly how I'm going to answer this question and I can't offend the person, and I do want to give the right answer.
Speaker 2:Even though there's a lot of times not a right answer you don't you want to give a.
Speaker 3:You know, like I said, a lot of times are not a right answer, but you want to give the right answer. You know the quote unquote right answer. And so you know, like I said, it serves it, certainly serves its purpose, you know.
Speaker 1:I think I phrased it as table topics trains you to be honest and interesting on the fly.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, because if we were fully authentic, I mean we in this podcast, you and I get pretty close to the line of being so authentic reporting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, what are?
Speaker 1:you eating? Read the ingredients. To me, it's, like you know, the verbal equivalent of taking a picture of our food and put it on Instagram Right, exactly, exactly. But we do. I think I'm a little biased, but I think we do a good job of also being interesting. You know, Sure, like picking on ourselves or having fun with it. And yeah, I think there's people often struggle with either being too honest and not interesting enough.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Or vice the opposite side. They're like very interesting, but it doesn't really. They seem like they're lying right, like whoever they're presenting themselves as isn't really them.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you got to find that balance, you got to find that equilibrium.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3:And people know that. Though, like people know you know whether you're being real or not. You know and they may not know it initially Like I think you can fool people for a little while, but the more people around you and the more, and also the more people around you in different contexts, the more people will, because you can't fake it in all the contexts and there's something's going to slip out, something's going to it's like. It's like we see with politicians where, hey, if you were recorded almost every minute of almost every day, probably you're going to say something that you're like oh, that did not sound the way that I wanted to sound, or it sounded the way I wanted it to sound, but I shouldn't. I wish I wasn't on microphone saying that.
Speaker 3:You know, what I mean. Yeah, I meant to, but I didn't want to do whatever Exactly, so so, anyway, I actually was listening to a podcast that was like same podcast. That was the other example that I gave and they said they were talking to. It was a live, they were doing a live show, a live record at a venue, and it was in Chicago. And he's like, yeah, and these guys are sort of liberal. And so he's basically like, yeah, I like Chicago, but you guys have too much pride in your town, like that. And he like. But he was like he was talking about like civic pride, like pride, like I'm a Chicagoan, but the way the audience took it was like like you don't like gay people.
Speaker 2:You know exactly.
Speaker 3:And so he was like no, I didn't. Oh no, I did not mean it like that. I meant like you don't you like your city too much, you know like. And he had to like spend three minutes explaining why Right.
Speaker 1:And no one really believed him because, right Exactly, I don't like he was making it so great I'm getting canceled right now.
Speaker 3:That's great. Bye guys, it's nice knowing you. And if you want to hear a good podcast about cancel culture, then you need to go back in our list, because we did a podcast on cancel culture. That's another another slot for the bingo card of promoting a previous episode.
Speaker 1:We're not at time when we said something about that.
Speaker 3:That was awesome.
Speaker 1:That was great All right.
Speaker 3:Awesome, I think this episode was awesome. I think it was too. I think it was orderly.
Speaker 1:There was some law is Right.
Speaker 3:Right, it was orderly, it was a little bit chaotic, but hey, it was like a yin and a yang, little bit of each and each and thankfully, unless this episode did not record correctly, this probably concludes our order versus chaos. Yeah, did I just jinx it right then?
Speaker 1:Right, when I said that did I just jinx it that is a little why I'm passive, aggressive.
Speaker 3:I try to keep balanced, you know like the audio is not going to download now, like I'm going to turn the thing off and the audio is not going to download, or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thanks, brian. We publish anyway, and let that be the lesson.
Speaker 3:We just change the name to help, from help yourself to order versus chaos, and we're like we're just doing this until we get it right, just help yo.
Speaker 1:That's the name of the episode. Help yo, because it's only half the episode.
Speaker 3:Right, all right. Well, until next time. This is someone that's orderly and chaotic, and I'm sure Nick is orderly and chaotic too.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Bye Brian.
Speaker 2:See ya Go rep categories today Cool business.