What if a simple road trip could reveal the hidden complexities of trust and relationships? Settle into our mobile studio as we hit the road, gulping down Starbucks' decadent offerings and crunching on our favorite junk food while unraveling the intricacies of trust. We'll be your guides, leading you on a journey through the mouthwatering delights of pizza joints and our own surprising encounter with Lester Fixins ranch dressing soda. It's not all about the food though, we promise, your heart will be full too.
On the more serious side of things, we'll be treading the delicate path of trust, expectations, and how these intertwine in our relationships. You'll gain insight into the emotional bank account theory, and how it recommends making regular trust deposits to maintain a healthy relationship. We'll also shed light on renowned psychologist John Gottman’s theory on "turning towards, turning against, and turning away" as a tool for strengthening bonds. So gear up for a ride that's not just about feeding your stomach, but nurturing your soul and relationships too. Let's hit the road together!
What if a simple road trip could reveal the hidden complexities of trust and relationships? Settle into our mobile studio as we hit the road, gulping down Starbucks' decadent offerings and crunching on our favorite junk food while unraveling the intricacies of trust. We'll be your guides, leading you on a journey through the mouthwatering delights of pizza joints and our own surprising encounter with Lester Fixins ranch dressing soda. It's not all about the food though, we promise, your heart will be full too.
On the more serious side of things, we'll be treading the delicate path of trust, expectations, and how these intertwine in our relationships. You'll gain insight into the emotional bank account theory, and how it recommends making regular trust deposits to maintain a healthy relationship. We'll also shed light on renowned psychologist John Gottman’s theory on "turning towards, turning against, and turning away" as a tool for strengthening bonds. So gear up for a ride that's not just about feeding your stomach, but nurturing your soul and relationships too. Let's hit the road together!
Welcome to Help Yourself. Food and Philosophy with Brian and Nick. I'm Nick and I'm Brian. We are what we repeatedly do. Trust, therefore, is not an act but a habit, and that's another Jaliliqui brought to you in part by a misattribution of Aristotle what's eating, brian?
Speaker 2:Jaliliqui, we're actually trying to make that happen. We're trying to make it happen in the English language here. All right yeah.
Speaker 1:I looked it up there is a word for what we're doing, or what I'm doing, and it's called snow clone.
Speaker 2:But I think I like.
Speaker 1:Jaliliqui better.
Speaker 2:Honestly, if that's the way that our podcast gets famous. I'm fine with it. You know, within Dix, within Risen. Yeah, it's like we get the new word in the dictionary and it's like see please, I'm not going to see help yourself podcast. Please help yourself.
Speaker 1:To the help yourself podcast.
Speaker 2:All right, what am I eating?
Speaker 1:Well.
Speaker 2:I'm going to tell you another tale of road trip food, but this one is a lot. This is more tame. So we I usually when I go on a road trip I eat the worst possible like junk food, like I'm not usually because I'm on vacation, and so I'm like I'm going to eat sort of like gas station, like we're going to stop to go to the bathroom and grab something, and it's just candy and cookies and cakes and whatever else, and then. But I'm also just like, hey, I'm on vacation, so I want to splurge a little bit, right, and so we went to Starbucks because, mainly because most of the time Starbucks has a decently clean bathroom. But we went there and got some stuff and I basically I tried a pumpkin spice cold brew that had the.
Speaker 2:It has the pumpkin spice foam, cold foam on top of it, and I also got it with a splash of this was an extra, but splash of the vanilla sweet cream and more like a pumpkin pie, it was yeah, it was decadent because then I looked up the calories and I'm like, oh my gosh, like this is a meal, this is a whole meal in this.
Speaker 2:You know like 300 calories or something in this medium size drink, you know, and. But I'll say it was good. I haven't, I hadn't had the foam for quite some time, just because it adds so much. Like you take a regular drink and add foam and it adds like 200 calories to it or something. I don't know how they pack so much stuff into that. Just cold foam, they're thrown on top of that. It's sugar and air.
Speaker 2:It basically, yeah, it's, it's, it's just it's packed with sugar and air, but it was. It was actually really good. I did. I did also get just some of the like. I did a nick, I pulled a nick and I got one of the little lunch mate thingies that they have like with the grapes and the cheese and the that thing, and that was good. I hadn't had one before. I mean, obviously it's just basic stuff, but it was sort of refreshing and easy to easy to eat and, I guess, somewhat healthy. Right After I added 300 calories worth of pumpkin spice to my day you know at least that was some fruit and a little bit of cheese and some.
Speaker 2:You know what else is in there? Fruit and cheese, basically. Yeah, crackers, crackers, yeah.
Speaker 1:Apple, slices, grapes and then three kinds of cheese. Yeah, a little wedge of brie, some cheddar and mozzarella, I think.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, or two kinds of cheddar. I think it was two kinds of cheddar Sharp cheddar Two sharp cheddar and then like white cheddar.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. But I mean a good good, a good go to. You know better than some of the gas station food. So that's the basic, basic Starbucks adventure I had. That's more than you know, different than my normal. I've got a Brian's Beverage Corner here. I've got my water bottle and I think this is going to be the last time I do a crazy soda, but again, in the last two episodes you heard the last time.
Speaker 1:No, maybe the last time in a while. Well, in a while, yeah. Maybe take a break but you're not going to stop at the crazy soda.
Speaker 2:So I did the balls. That was our first trust episode. And then I did the Lester Fixins. Right, y'all get your Fixins. I did that enchilada soda on the last episode. Well, this is another Lester Fixins, and this one looks even worse than the last man. Okay, I'm going to hold this up to the camera and then oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:It looks like like the color of the soda itself is like pina colada or coconut water. Yeah, it looks like coconut water it's.
Speaker 2:It's like a like slightly it's clear, but like almost slightly opaque yeah.
Speaker 1:Trans. Was it translucent? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's supposed to be, and I have not tried it yet, so I'm trying it right now. Let's see.
Speaker 1:The flavor is ranch dressing for everyone who's while he's sipping here.
Speaker 2:Oh man, that's the weirdest thing ever, dude. It's like it is. It tastes like it does taste like ranch dressing, but it also is like sweet, like a soda. It's made with pure cane sugar, and so it really does?
Speaker 1:I'm going to count these.
Speaker 2:Let's see what is it. It is.
Speaker 1:I can't believe I'm actually asking that question but it's.
Speaker 2:It is 170 for the bottle. Per sip, yeah, per sip, exactly. No, I will say like I won't say that you would want to drink this all the time, but it doesn't. It's not as much like the enchilada one was like, really like you were drinking an enchilada a little bit more. This one is like you can taste the ranch. But if, if you had peeled the label off and you had asked somebody to say, like what does this taste? Like, they might not say ranch dressing, but I think, because of that power of suggestion, like with the ranch dressing on the, on the label it has like a bowl of ranch dressing and and stuff like that, it actually does taste like that quite a bit. Um, but like a sweet. If you had like sweet, sweet ranch dressing, which is weird, yeah, sort of gross.
Speaker 1:I'm sort of sneering at that idea, Although I'm sure if I tried it I'd be like oh, this isn't so bad. Yeah, it's not super bad.
Speaker 2:Like I said, I wouldn't say that you would be like oh yeah, I drink this every day, you know it's so so anyway, that's.
Speaker 1:People said the same thing about Coca-Cola.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure, yeah, so that's my, that's my Brian's beverage corner. I'll be sipping a little bit more on this, probably ranch dressing soda, and then I don't know if I'll drink the whole thing, because that's, that's a bit much. But what are you eating? I?
Speaker 1:am having a Twist on a previously proclaimed favorite mm-hmm. Jets pizza. Oh, cauliflower crust.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And it's funny you mentioned ranch dressing, because that's something I do just to like. 98% of the time is I swap out the Tomato sauce for ranch dressing. Oh yeah and put in a ton of veggie fixings like green peppers, onions and Mushrooms.
Speaker 1:So it's almost like a Ranch cheese steak kind of thing. Yeah, normally I'll get Italian sausage or beef, okay, to make it like a cheeseburger or cheese steak or, yeah, breakfast Burrito of some kind. But they had a new offering of meat called popcorn chicken, same price as all the other meat toppings, wow, so it's like you know what I'm gonna try it? Basically it's fried chicken on pizza pieces yeah, on piece on pizza. Okay, better, better quality than chicken nuggets, right, like it's actual. Yeah, white meat that hasn't been chewed by a machine seven times, right, but he was. It just totally changed the flavor, like it was really good. High in calories, of course, yes, but it was like all I eat, that I'll all I ate today.
Speaker 2:So did it have texture to it like, was it crunchy? Like?
Speaker 1:No, it was pretty soft like the popcorn chicken was like the the Breading on the yeah, you know was was pretty soft, it was easy to eat. See, yeah, there wasn't all the stuff that's normally crunchy was kind of soft, right. The peppers were soft because they were cooked and the Crust.
Speaker 2:I may have asked you this in the past, but when you do jets, do you do the Detroit style or do you do the Like regular hand-toss round pizzas? Neither one, almost always.
Speaker 1:Oh, you do the cauliflower crust.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you already said that and yeah, and that comes like a thin crust. It's kind of personal.
Speaker 1:Personal round thin crust. It's, it's just right, kind of crispy, right. It's not like floppy and soggy, but it's also not like, yeah, really, there, their cauliflower crust is actually pretty good. They're, they are really crunchy.
Speaker 2:They're, they're cauliflower crust is actually pretty good. They're, they, it it doesn't. You wouldn't know the difference really if you just somebody just ordered it at a party. The only weird thing about is you can only get it in one size, so you can't get, like you know, extra large or whatever else. But you know, yeah, you know, under two pizzas true, true. Well, that's good. What are you drinking? Are you drinking anything?
Speaker 1:I've got water and that's it. I'm out of coffee.
Speaker 2:That's a small beverage corner. It's just a sad small beverage corner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it says, the big beverage corner man.
Speaker 2:Exactly, pick up the little guy over here.
Speaker 2:Well, you want to get into our topic and chat about it for a while.
Speaker 2:I know this is a bonus episode so it'll be a little bit shorter than our typical episode length, but we have been covering the topic of trust, and so that first episode we talked about sort of generic definitions of trust and things like that. And then the trust that we give strangers or people that we interact with on a almost daily basis that are just, you know, like we might have various levels of interactions with bank tellers and cashiers and people driving past you on the street and things like that. And then we talked about in our second episode about trust. We talked about the sort of dealing with work level relationships, people who you're spending quite a bit of time with but you don't necessarily have any emotional connection with them or romantic connection or anything like that, so our personal connection, I should say. But now we want to talk a little bit about sort of those personal relationships and how that trust in those relationships is dealt with and various ideas and whatever tangents we end up going down.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, so, yeah, so it's maybe a kind of a segue or a tie in from previous episodes slash conversations, I think it. There's this weird relationship between trust and expectations yeah, what you expect or what you want others to expect of you. You know where you want to be trustworthy, right, what expectations you want to meet, so on. That's even part of, like, a lot of quote performance reviews is. You know, one of the assessments is meets expectations or expectations. But I think it happens in personal relationships to where you know, do I expect you to keep a secret, aka an embarrassing truth about yourself, right? Or do I expect you to fill all of my emotional needs and replace my need for personal? You know, friends, and you're not just my lover, you're also my only friend, my best friend. You've taken the place of my mother and my father and you know, like, like, there's people who get super codependent and have super high expectations of their loved ones.
Speaker 1:And I don't know, there used to be a Saturday, I think it was Saturday Night Live had a sort of recurring skit of this video dating service where you, like you back in the old days, you record a video of yourself, yeah, and submit it for people to watch and gauge whether they wanted to go on a date with you Before online dating. They called it lowered expectations and the whole sketch was these people who clearly have baggage, or super awkward or super attractive, just talking about themselves and trying to be, you know, worthy of a first date and just missing the mark and making it hilarious. Yeah, I think I remember that vaguely that they were talking.
Speaker 2:You know people talking about their. Yeah, you know and if as long as you're not jammed, you know you're not going to be able to get a good deal. If as long as you're not Janet, then you're going to be fine. You know, like that kind of thing like where they're clearly talking about their, their past relationships or whatever else.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I didn't mean to disparage it.
Speaker 2:I was going to say I didn't mean to disparage any Janets out there.
Speaker 1:I was just a random name that you know. All the Karen's of the world are just grateful you didn't go there.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2:I thought, I thought also in personal relationships, even though I think the concept and we've mentioned this throughout these three episodes is even the concept still does apply to non personal relationships. The emotional bank account, I think, is very, I think it plays a huge role in a relationship that's going to be, you know, theoretically a lifelong relationship, and I didn't realize this at the beginning. But really we have broken this down into levels of interaction in terms of, hey, these strangers that we talked about at first, they're people who you may never see again. You interact with them once in your entire life and you never see that person ever again in your life and you interacted with them for under 10 minutes. Then the second level is work relationships. Well, you know, even though you know, people are going to change careers, they're going to change jobs, they're going to change, so this person might be with you for a significant portion of your life if you stay in the same job.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, it requires both people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know, in today's job market it's less likely that you're going to work for the same place your entire career. Some people do, but then these are relationships that theoretically could be lifelong relationships, that have been around forever and will be around forever and in some extent you know, if you take the, you know some people you know are married until they die and they've been around that person for 50, 60, 70 years, depending on how long each one of those people live.
Speaker 1:We're talking like 10 plus years, right, exactly Many marriages last double digits of years. And then there's father, mother, brother, sister. Like those are lifelong. Yeah, there's not a way to break up, yeah, and in some extent some people like from brother to like your parents have known you since the day you were born right, so you know at least we hope so, Of course. Yeah, there's exceptions to all these, but broadly speaking, they're sure this is how it shook out. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, and I guess the you know, besides the fact that I like all the things that Steven Covey talks about in those and they obviously made a huge impact in me and my life Long relationship for you, yeah, it is. For me it is, but I think that the metaphor is so brilliant and simple and it makes sense in terms of these. It makes the most sense, I would say, with these types of relationships because you're, you know, you're sort of constantly Trying to make sure you're in the green, that you always have a positive emotional balance.
Speaker 1:As I say, you haven't, you've only talked. You said this concept. You haven't said with the concept, oh, the emotional bank account.
Speaker 2:Sorry, did.
Speaker 1:I not say it. No, I wasn't listening, I don't know, so one of those two.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the emotional bank account is what we're talking about and I thought I have a I sort of have a one-pager that I pulled up about it that talks about, you know, the difference between deposits and withdrawals and it has a few different things. I thought it was interesting because a lot of the things we've already covered in some of the other, the other episodes, but one of the things I thought was interesting was the key. One of the key messages that it talks about is the different levels of trust that we've talked about. So where people start, you know the starting balance and this says some people. Some people are naturally open and trusting. They create a positive balance for everyone. They meet. Other others may be more conservative and need to build up positive balance over time. And then I this is the part that I wanted to focus on that was cool. Both are appropriate. So it's best to approach every relationship with the intention to make regular deposits of trust. Three words in action.
Speaker 2:So I just thought I just like the idea that they said both of those are appropriate, you know yeah a positions to take, and and so it's not disparaging anybody who's like, oh, you're really distrusting, or oh, you're too trusting.
Speaker 1:It's like, no, it's appropriate for what you believe, you know it is, and so I think one of what I think we all sort of intuit, though, that emotional bank account concept. Yes like in our everyday language. We talk about, you know, investing in their relationship. Mm-hmm, you know, or we? Talk about, you know, withdrawing emotionally. Yeah, when, when somebody hurts you, when somebody hurts your feelings, what do we do? We withdraw. Yeah, well, that's, you make it withdraw in the account, right, like that's. There's a lot of Overlap.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah which is which is why I think it works so well and is Identifiable, or I say not identifiable, but it's accessible to everyone. When you use that that Metaphor, I did I did also want to point out that it was you know. It talks about deposits and withdrawals in the you know, in in your actions. So we talked about in the last episode how your actions really you know.
Speaker 2:Trust and distrust is Whether people trust or distrust you is you know. How do you do that? Well, you got to act in a way that You're saying that you're ready to receive trust. I also we didn't point this out in the past, but are in the past few episodes but the I Think a lot of trust has to do with vulnerability too.
Speaker 2:Like I think you being able to be trusted, you have to Come into the relationship whatever that relationship or interaction with a level of vulnerability of you know, and I'll use the easiest, most natural thing that we talk about all the time, which is toast masters, which is people that are there to learn at toast masters, and One of the things that you have to do to be a good speaker is you have to show vulnerability on stage. You have to show that you're willing to let the audience in to your thought process or to your thing, and and so that's, that's a level of courage and vulnerability that you're saying. Hey, trust me by what I'm saying, because I'm up here bearing my soul, and I wouldn't be doing that if I wasn't trying to build some kind of relationship or rapport, and which I think, in a, in personal relationships that's. You talked about being emotionally withdrawn, right, I think there are some people that never show that vulnerability they're, they're afraid to show that, that, what do they call that?
Speaker 2:The the soft underbelly, right? They don't want to, that. They're always feeling like somebody's going to use that against them. Though any weakness that they show or any vulnerability they show is Is something that can be used against them at a future date. And so you know, especially in a personal relationship or marriage, if you never get to that place, you never build, you can never make deposits like you're not. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um yeah, I Think, I think the other way you make deposits. Still some concepts from another. I guess great mind on Relationships would be John Gottman.
Speaker 2:Hmm.
Speaker 1:He's the one that has that like 94% marriage success prediction accuracy really just studying different relationships and things, and the thing that in all their studies they were able to find is that it's a matter of what they turn turning towards, turning against or turning away. Okay, and in your daily interactions, day to day, hour to hour interactions with somebody, yeah, how often do you turn towards your partner and turn towards? Could be they yet again express some area of interest for them? That's not necessarily an interest for you, right? You still drum up the curiosity. You still hear them even though you don't share that interest, right? Yeah, you express interest, you give them that courtesy and they return that courtesy, right, those are turning towards moments.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the other would be just showing appreciation, not taking things for granted and having, I guess, to call back to my expectation comment your Dory just hands me food, right, it's no big deal to her. But I'm always appreciative because it's like I wouldn't do that for her, not because I don't care for her.
Speaker 1:It's like that's just really what's the word. You know what I would do it for if she wanted me to, but it's more of a sacrifice for me. But that means I appreciate it much more, right, like I'm grateful for it. Yeah, don't take it for granted. I'm appreciative of what she does for me, just like the things that I do for her that aren't a big deal to me are a big deal to her. Yeah, from her perspective, I have low expectations of her. She can be herself and I still like her. Yeah, I don't expect her to be more than she is. I say lower expectations. I feel like I'm really really back in myself into some kind of weird quiet, quiet, quiet corner. No, I don't expect her to be everything to me, right. Right, she is a person. She's not perfect, but she's perfect for me.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And vice versa. Yeah, but I do have to consciously remember this. Turning towards kind of stuff Right.
Speaker 2:I think you guys, she's actually correct me if I'm wrong, but you guys were doing a thing and I don't know if you're still doing this or not Like for a while you guys were doing a every night three things that you appreciate or three things you're grateful for in the other person kind of exercise. And I'm sure that that's exactly. I'm sure I bet you, if you went to marriage counseling I know you guys aren't married, but, like, if you went to marriage counseling or relationship counseling, that might be one of the exercises that they say is like, hey, you guys just need to start showing appreciation for each other and basically making those deposits I mean, those are just deposits, right, those are. Hey, even though I don't say it, this is what I see, this is what I believe about you as another person and I'm appreciative of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think those are, yeah, that practice. We do still do that. We've done that since we were a couple. It's evolved over time, yeah, but yeah, not to go too deep into it, one of the things we do make as a commitment is the first thing we start out with is one thing I love about you, and that's just to make sure that when we're listing off all the things we're grateful for about our day, we make a point that there's at least one thing about each other that's there, and that.
Speaker 1:I think is sort of like a guaranteed way to do that emotional bank account deposit or investment where it's like, hey, even if we had a tough day, I know you're a good person.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I love you, right, and hey, it was a great day, and here's one of the things that I love about what happened today or I love about you that maybe didn't happen today, but it's just something that you generally are and that's what I appreciate.
Speaker 2:Well, it's paying respect in some ways to your relationship, to the actual thing that is the relationship. Right, even though you're saying to the other person, you're saying hey, even though all these things happen on a daily basis, that you and I go either emotionally are separate ways or physically are separate ways during the day, because I'm going to work, you're doing this, you have your own activities. Same thing with me and my wife is that she has a set of things and then at night it's like the hey, how was your day? Kind of thing, because you know that they went out and did something. It's sort of like when your kids get back from school, it's like, hey, how was school? What happened, what did you do? Because it's like I'm recognizing that you had a different day than I had and I'm interested in hearing about it. And how was everything? Was it good, was it bad? Let me be here to support you, let me be here to congratulate you, let me be here to you know, that's what the relationship is about. So I think all of those things are deposits and I will say this one cheater that I pulled up talks about deposits can be clarifying expectations and also understanding the individual, which I think goes into.
Speaker 2:This is like and then we talked about this active listening thing, I think in the last episode. But you know, talking about you know that's how do you understand someone else? Is you do what we talked about before? You listen first and then you know, try to understand you. I think, yeah, covey talks about, try to. What was the? What's the actual thing? It's seek first to understand then be understood.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly.
Speaker 1:Oh man, I'm quoting Covey to you. So bad.
Speaker 2:So bad, and that shows my level of fandom. Anyway, just had a momentary lapse, you're still a good person.
Speaker 2:Brian, exactly no, but I think, yeah, I think that in the you know the, in the relationships that are personal sorry I feel like there's a different concept of what I talked about in the last episode about trying to develop trust quickly. I feel like in your personal relationships, many times it's what we call in the investing world of dollar cost averaging is hey, I'm going to invest a little bit amount, a little amount over a long period of time for larger gains. Right, I'm going to invest $100 a month, no matter what the market is doing, no matter what the relationship is doing. I'm just trying to draw those things as like, if the relationship is up, down or sideways, I'm still going to make that deposit, no matter what, because over time that's going to give you a larger gain. It works in the market and I think it also works with this emotional bank account concept as well.
Speaker 1:I like that.
Speaker 2:To bring it full circle, what you guys do, since you guys have been a couple every night, is that let me make a small deposit every night, right? Make sure that we're acknowledging we're still in a relationship, that we still love each other and that we're appreciative of the other person. That smooths over a lot of things. I had a not to dive into the sexuality part of it, but I had a human sexuality class when I was in junior college. What always stuck with me was the professor said that and this is sort of different levels of communication between men and women, but they're saying he said in general, men give love to get sex and women give sex to get love, basically, when a woman and that may be too much of like a I mean, this was.
Speaker 2:I'm an old guy, so this is a long time ago, when I was this, 30 years ago that I was in junior college, the point being that that symbiotic relationship there is, sort of what you already mentioned with hey. I wouldn't necessarily like if she really wanted me to cook for her, I would cook for her, but it's a bigger burden for me because I'm just not that's not your skill set Like you're not like hey, I want to cook. She's like no, I want to cook, I want to cook, so let me cook for you. And so you're like good, I want to work and I want to make money, so let me make money so that we can have all the things that we want.
Speaker 1:So, anyway, yeah, just make sure it's not like a gift to the Magi situation. Right, exactly, yeah.
Speaker 2:You know we're it's like she it's amazing how much the gift to the Magi has. I did not if they told me when I read the gift to the Magi in like junior high school that it was going to be brought up so many times in my life because that is like a short story and it shouldn't have that much effect on my life and, honestly, like it's, it's, that's, like it's incredible. Anyway, that's just a side note.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's just another either keyword fodder for audience. If you don't know the story, google it, it's a short story a short story.
Speaker 2:You can read it in half an hour.
Speaker 1:It's probably due for a modernization, but I think the technology mentioned back then is still in our awareness today, so it works.
Speaker 2:Right, right, so well, I think that's, I think that's. I think we've covered everything and that was good, a good, a good set of episodes. I know this was a shorter one for you guys out there, but that's how we typically do our bonus episodes just slightly shorter. And yeah, look for more of our stuff and it's. We're getting into the holiday season now, so happy holidays, as everyone's moving into the end of the year. I can't believe it's almost the end of the year, but but yeah, It'll be, be good, Help yourself.
Speaker 1:I'd like to talk to you next time.
Speaker 2:All right bye.