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Welcome to the JohnMuhammadPodcast show. Today my guess is from Queens NewYork. Home to some of the greatest MC's in the game. With names like RunDmc,LLcoolJ, Nas and more this Mc got very big shoes to fill. With songs out like Praise and Nothing you can do about it he's off to a great start. We talk about some of the people he met like 2pac, Biggie, JamMasterJay, 50cent and more. We talk about drill music and its impact on the community. We talk about God and walking the right way in this lifetime. This is great history in rap music. Dont miss this episode.

SPEAKER_02

Peace Love family. I am your host Elvin Singh. This is the John Muhammad Podcast Show. Today my guest is from Queens, New York, which is mecha, some of the most influential hip-hop that we've heard in the game. With names like Run DMC, LLQJ, Nash 57, Mob Deep, Cooji Rap, Tri Call Quest, and more. His previous single, Ain't Nothing You Can Do About It, was produced by Brooklyn's hitmaker, D.R. Period, who made his name Produce for most of MOP's debut album to the death. Now he's dropping his new inspirational track, which is called Praise, produced by Ventura for the Records. Now at a time where we got a lot of dark music, his brother has decided to walk a different path and put something more uplifting out. So it's warranted that we have a conversation with him. So without further ado, all my fans and followers, Joe Love. We got Mac Darn Smith in the building. How are we doing, brother?

SPEAKER_00

Hey man, my pleasure to be here.

SPEAKER_02

Thank you. I appreciate you coming through, man. Just sit down, kick it with us, and uh kind of educate us on what you've been doing, what you what you're gonna be doing, and uh what's life like in Queens, New York. So to get it started, let's talk about Queens, New York. A cat like me, I'm from Michigan, and since I was a kid, run DMC, LLQ J, we heard all of these phenomenal groups and artists that came from Queens, New York. So tell us what it's like growing up there and kind of what what what's that secret that y'all have that puts y'all in the forefront of uh rap music?

SPEAKER_00

I'm gonna tell you what the secret is. It's unity. I grew up in Hollis, Queens. And Hollis, Queens, in my era, when I was growing up, was a community that everybody knew each other. Everybody. We all went to the same schools. All the teenagers in that era growing up went to the same schools and we all hung out on the same block. We used to Jam Master J used to come out there and Dave V DMX, Davy, DM, Dave, D used to come out. There was a park called Jamaica Park in 192. And Jam Master J used to come out there with the equipment and DJ. This is before he was even with Run DMC. And we used to all hang out, we used to get fresh, we used to call it getting fresh. We used to hang out when it got dark. We all went home and got fresh. GM Fresh right now. See the friendies. Yes, sir. I've been fresh since the 80s. Right. And Jay used to park jam, jam in the park, and we used to have a ball, man. Hollis was really really well known and respected in Queens. You know what I'm saying? Heard something called the Hollis Crew? Yeah, Hollis Crew. See, I'm gonna keep it real. The Runde and C was only a part of the Hollis crew. And they didn't start the Hollis, the hot the Hollis crew. The Hollis Crew was the whole Hollis. So everybody who was down, we one person had beef and Hollis, everybody had beef and Hollis. When there was beef or anything like that, there was like 50 people coming. And I'm not lying to you. We used to have something called, we used to call it Southside and Hollis beef. The North Side and the South Side used to be beefing all the time. And every time we had beef, it used to be like a it was like a because this was before the bloods and the crips and all that. It would hit New York. Hit New York. And it's it used to be like large amounts of people out there, man. Every time there was something going on. So that's the secret of Hollis and Queens being so fine-tuned and so well put together because we always was Brotherhood. It was a brotherhood. Nice and that's important. The brotherhood is important. And to this day, I just did a I just did a farewell to the Coliseum, a big show. When last Saturday, um, with all the French rappers and I performed. Um, I want to give a big shout out to Mr. Fingers for putting me on that stage. There had to be about two, three thousand people out there. In the winter, a winter block party. Good because the coliseum was a spot where all the rappers shot videos, Ralph McDaniels, Method Man, Wu Tang, L O Cool J run DMC. And uh I came on, the DMC came on right after me. The Lost Boys was there. Um everybody was there. Everybody was there in Queens, Zodiac, Fiskree. Um, um, who else was out there? Graph. Um, um, MC Search for third base, it was dope. Yeah, DJ Conserve. It was dope.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. 3-2. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah, I seen some of the uh footage uh that uh uh my man had put up. I seen DMC was there. I think I seen a couple other people, and I definitely seen your performance. So yeah, it was it was one of them situations. I was like, man, I wish I'd heard about that.

SPEAKER_00

I couldn't even do my whole show because um DMC had was was just stepping through. And when the on the producer of the show see DMC, he was like, yo, man, just do one song. So they could, you know, I'm not a big rapper yet, you know what I'm saying? So so they cut my show short. But I was honored to cut my show short so DMC could bless that stage. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't I wasn't mad or nothing. I was just I was just happy to have the opportunity to be on stage with those legends.

SPEAKER_02

Real talk.

SPEAKER_03

Real talk. Right.

SPEAKER_00

But on another note, I I'm one of the best MCs in Queens. I I I don't know if Um Sincere told you, but um I used to be with Foo Boo Entertainment. Remember you heard Fubu? I was signed to that label, I was the first person they signed, and I had to perform in front of the whole company. And um and I I did very well. And I remember Biggie's manager, they called Biggie's manager to come hear me. I had to rap for Pharrell, I had to rap for this kid named D Dot. I had to rap for um Mark Pitts, I was Biggie's manager, old old manager, and Mark worked for my mother. Mark Pitts was like, yo, you just as good as Big. I was like, get the fuck out of here. Shot for cursing. Can I curse?

SPEAKER_02

Yep. Oh, you good, you good.

SPEAKER_00

So I was like, fuck out of here. He said, I'm telling you, man, you just as good as Big, man, because at the time I had an ill, ill album, man. And like I told you, I had to go through the whole Fubu staff to get signed. And big out to Damon John. I mean, big up to Damon John, big up to um Keith Parade, big up to Jay Alexander and Keith Brown Fubu that loved the opportunity y'all gave me, and uh, and it really helped me out to get to this point. So anyway, I performed for Mark Pitch, and he was like, yo, you know what you got over big that big don't got? I was like, What? He was like, You're better looking. Word to my mother, he told me that. He said, You're a handsome guy. And words to my mother, he told me just like that. So he said, Dacklet, you got over big. I was like, I'll take that.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, okay. That's what's up.

SPEAKER_02

No, I couldn't make that story up. Okay, gotcha, gotcha. So, how did you get started in rap music? What was the uh the influences that made you decide I want to try this for a living?

SPEAKER_00

Well, I started in the 80s, like late 80s, and back then we used to have something called the pause button tapes. We used to we used to have break beats and and make and we had used to have like a sampler, and we'll just get a part of the break beat and sample it and just keep pausing it and putting it back, pausing it. So we got so good at it, it would make a beat. So it was a king named Dollar Bill that was one of the producers in Hollis, and I went in his basement and we made a pause button tape and I rapped over it, and it came out dope. It was called the Illis Style, I remember. This was like 89. Nice, and then I think a little before that, or it might be after, KRS One came out with this song called South South Bronx, and he was dissing Queens in it. So it was me, this kid named Um Rossell, he's the godfather of Noise now. I don't I think he now he's down with the roots, and this kid named Tony Maxwell, and we made a record called Hollis, Hollis, Queens, dissing KRS. And um yeah, we it just never came out. We would just read this the shit out of KRS, but it never came out. You know what I'm saying? Because I took it to Jam Master J at the time and he loved it. But the thing why it never came out is because Run DMC just crossed over. They just crossed over, and at the time Russell Simmons was doing everything for him. There was like, I don't think we should beef with KRS1 right now. We just crossed over. We don't want that type of publicity.

SPEAKER_05

Energy.

SPEAKER_00

So that's what killed. That would have been my start right there. But I remember the record clear as day. The hook went, holler, holler, queens, holler, hollow, holler, holler, queens, holler, hollers, queens, holler, hollow, hollers, hollets, hollers, hollets, hollers, queens, went like that, and had an L beat and with district care of I wish that song when it came out, it would have been big.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You talk about colorful names on your record. So what the hell do you think KRS is? K Rest one, nigga, you sound like a spaceship. So you and Miss Melody need to go get a facelift.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00

That's the type of shoot you're saying in '89.

SPEAKER_02

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00

But we went in. We went in, man.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. Okay. That's what's up, man. That's what's up. Hey, I mean, that's what this game has always been about was competition and and uh, you know, letting everybody know where you're from and what you represent. Yeah, and I do uh I remember that record. I actually had um MC Shann on here a year or so back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So uh he gave he gave me uh kind of uh a lowdown on what actually happened behind the scenes to get uh some of those uh rap battles started. And uh I remember some of his issues with KRS1 and LL Ku J, and you know, and they made for great entertainment, man. We still talk about a lot of those battles today.

SPEAKER_00

So uh let's get into the juicy stuff now. So then I went on to sign with this kid named Steve. He was like an up-and-coming mogul in the neighborhood, right? But he was from Brooklyn, but he used to come to Hollis because we had a name. So he signed me, some other cats, and this kid named Zodiac Fiskrease was was our manager. Zodiac Fiskreese used to hold a camera for Ralph McDaniels Radio Music Box. So we got in every single industry party there was. When he was nobody. We did shows with Jay-Z when he was nobody. I remember having a fight. I was about to have a fight with Tupac.

SPEAKER_05

Really?

SPEAKER_00

Me and Tupac was gonna stop. True story. Because we Jodiac took us to uh uh industry party, and everybody was there, Method Man, Queen of Tief were big. So I'm going through the crowd, and you know, we was young, younger, and I see Tupac. So I was like, oh shit, they go Tupac, me and my boys. So it was like, yo, let's go get his autograph. But we're going to go get an autograph, and the way it was so crowded in there, we on our way trying to get Tupac's autograph. We see Big. So it's like, oh, at this time Big was popping, but like he was about to pop. So we said, oh shit, fuck Tupac, just go fucking check Big. Right? So we saw I'm going to see Big and I bumped into Tupac and he bumped me. So I went from wanting his autograph, and I said, 'Cause back then I was kind of in the street. I'm not like I was now. Like we was in the street back then. So I went from wanting Tupac's autograph to wanting to fight him. But what happened was like when I said, yo man, you can't say excuse me to Tupac, and yo, word to my mother, he started taking his clothes off to fight right there. He started taking his clothes off right there, and he had he had to have like 30 people with him. So I'm not, I'm gonna keep it real. I back down. We were scattered around the club, and I did back down that day, and I left the club because back then Tupac was a wild, he was wild. Like he didn't care about the platinum status, he didn't care about him being a star. He'll he'll he'll shoot that, he'll bust you, he'll he'll shoot. He didn't care about that. You know what I'm saying? So I left him. My boy's like, Mac Donn, where you at? I said, I'm home. I said I said, Yo, I just have an altercation with bit with um with pop. Yeah, man. We was around all that stuff, man. We was around all that stuff. We met we met um all the great rappers, man, messing with zodiac fiscaries, big up the zodiac fiscalies, radio music box. So that's a true story right there. And then from there, and from there I started doing some more stuff. A couple of years later, yeah, I signed with Fuhu after that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, wow, wow, wow, yeah, uh, that's a hell of a story, man. Uh, we heard so much about Tupac, and uh I was listening to Tupac from his very first album, uh Tupacalypse.

SPEAKER_00

Tupac, wow, man.

SPEAKER_02

He was different.

SPEAKER_00

He was different. He was, he, he's like, he I don't think he didn't act normal, man. He didn't act like a normal person. Like you walking around with you show five million records and you walking around by yourself. No bodyguard, no nothing. Going to the project, going to different hoods. Because he always said that he didn't think that no black people will hurt him. But but as you see, that was wrong.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, unfortunately, uh Malcolm X taught us different. Yeah. You know, in the 60s. Uh when you get to a certain status, uh, even though you may have the heart to walk around and you ain't scared, but the intelligent move is to, you know, and the people around you should be able to understand. You gotta protect the investment. That's why I was always a little angry about how Tupac died, and I was always wondering, why were you fighting? You're a rapper, you make the music, you're the moneymaker. You should have people around you to deal with that type of stuff. You should be, you know, over here safe. Why are you wrapped up in the middle of this stuff? And I thought that the people around them should have understood that. But, you know, it is what it is. But uh, yeah, that never settled right in my heart as far as uh, but Tupac, it sounded like from what you're saying, Tupac did what he wanted to do when he wanted to do it.

SPEAKER_00

So I'm I met Big Black. Big was a nice person. I met Big twice. Like I met and I met 50 Cent too before he was 50 Cent.

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Because his chick named Um Sweet T used to manage me. Sweet T, she she was a big rapper in the in the early 90s.

SPEAKER_02

You know what? I think I remember who you're talking about. Yeah, her name is Sugar Dad.

SPEAKER_00

He tried to get me deals, and she tried to hook me up with 50. But me and 50 had a little, you know, we used to freestyle together and stuff. But then he had made it big. I met 50 when he was fat. He lost all that weight when he got shot. 50 is in the Okay. Yeah, I met that's when I met him. I met him in the club through sugar, through sugar. And then we me and him hit it off. But when he made it big, I always say, yo, if I see because I spit four. And he it was filling. So I was like, yo, if I ever seen him, I'd never seen him again. I'd never seen him again. I'd never seen him again. I said, if I five 50, that'll be another break for me. If Jay was around, I'd have been on. Me and Jay, I used to be up in the studio all the time with Jay.

SPEAKER_05

Really?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. I used to be in the studio all the time. Man, you know how many deals I had? I had Suga got me a deal with Jimmy Henchman. You ever heard of Jimmy Henchman?

SPEAKER_05

Yes, yes, sir.

SPEAKER_00

She got me a deal with him. I turned it down. I turned because I'm not gonna say why I turned it down, but I turned that kind of thing. I turned that. Then I was on Warner Brother Records, me and this kid named DJ L, you know. Big up to DJ L. You know what I'm saying? Um Uncle Murder. I let him, when I was with Fubu, I let Uncle Murder write my lyrics. People don't know how, like, you ever heard of Uncle Murder?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I met him uh when we was in Texas.

SPEAKER_00

He I let I was trying to sign Uncle Murder, but right before I got a deal with Fubu. Uncle Murder used to be with us all the time because his uncle is my one, was one is one of he's like my brother. He's like one of my best friends. You know what I'm saying? And um he had a studio in the basement, and Uncle Murder was always there watching us rap. He was little, he was mad young then. So I was like, yo, I'm gonna give you a shot. I'm gonna let you write my lyrics. So I he wrote my lyrics, and I put up, I was on that Sprague Girl song with Fubu. I was on that song with Ludacris, L O Cool J, um Keith Murray, Keith Murray took my spot because what happened was Uncle Murdo wrote my lyrics, and there was so much cursing in the lyrics that when Fubu played it back, it was too many curses. And at the time, Bill Cosby owned the beat that we used. And Bill Cosby Bill Cosby had to approve the music because they used the they used the fat album beat. That was the first beat. Boom, bloom, boom, bloom. Hey, hey, hey, that was the first Fanny Girl beat. So when they played it for Bill Cosby, it was like, yo, you can't have no cursion on this music because it's for kids.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so um, I couldn't use those lyrics, and then they flew me back down to California again, but I had riders blocked, man, and I and I couldn't write nothing because all them great people was on the album was on that song. So I was like, if I don't do better than L O Kul J, if I don't do better than Ludacris, if I don't do better than these people, I don't even want to be on the record, I'll wait. So, so so like I forfeited that that that that one because I couldn't write nothing that I thought was legendary at the time. But but um then after that I went on to be with um this kid named Um Um Lionel and Walter, and we did some things, but and then I met this kid named Papa Doc, and I was with this kid named Um Beyond from um Big Face campaign, and that's how I got that Foo Boo deal. And um, I met mad people with Fubu, and they they showed me a lot of love. They gave me a lot of money. I didn't work for two years off that money Fubu gave me. Yeah, I didn't work for two years, man. But then um what happened with the Fuboo situation was um Method Man and Red Man made a song in this movie called Ha High. And it was and it was produced by Universal Records, and it was dissing Foo Boo in the record. Calling this boot really.

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

And then Spoo sued Universal. And Universal was their parent label. So the label got dismantled after that. But that album actually went gold. The um Foo Boo album went gold.

SPEAKER_05

Okay. Wow.

SPEAKER_00

So now so now I'm with I'm Rock Boy Records. I'm in Rock Boy Records right now. And I just did that song Praise. And ain't nothing you could do about it by the Great DR period. Big shout out to DR period. Big shout out to Rock Boy Records, the Rock Boy G's. Big shout out to Ms. Shika, Gail, very goods. The whole fan. The whole family. Good people, man. Good people. I just got an award from them, too. They just gave me an award for Best Associated Artists. I just got an award from like a month ago from Rock Boy Records. And they popping right now, man. We doing good. We doing good. And my single praise.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um did over 45,000 streams in two months across social media.

SPEAKER_02

Nice. Nice. Okay. Good, good, nice, nice. Let's talk about your relationship uh with uh the producer. What's his name? PR PR period. Right. Uh how did that happen? How did you and him link up to uh he ended up doing that song?

SPEAKER_00

The first time I met DR period is when I was with Fubu. Foo Boo actually paid him to produce a song. So Fubu paid DR period to produce a song for me. And that's how I met Dr. Period. The kid Fly Ty, I I I don't think he was around then. Because he fly tie is the one who runs the label. Now he's the he's the um president of the label.

SPEAKER_03

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00

That's how and then I then I what's funny is that I I met Fly Ty on the internet because he was he feels feeling some of my music and we connected when I found out that DR period was the one behind him, and that and we reconnected. Dr. Period was gonna put me in a movie.

SPEAKER_03

Really?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, he put me in a movie.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, okay, okay, gotcha, gotcha.

SPEAKER_00

Man, good dude, man. And and he got he he's the one who turned me on to the inspirational stuff because he got an inspirational album out right now. To me, he's the best to do it. He's the best to do it in inspirational hip hop, and nobody touching it, man. I I haven't heard nothing that's better than it. If you have a chance, man, go check out the y'all period inspirational album, Hard.

SPEAKER_02

Definitely. Gotcha, gotcha, definitely. Yeah, I was gonna ask at a what kind of and maybe that was the motivation uh to do an inspirational song, especially at a time where everybody seems to be going in a different direction. So I always notice cats when they when everybody's going left, they decide to go right, they immediately will catch my attention. Because number one, of course, you're not a follower, you're doing you. So, what did you hope to accomplish by putting out something so uplifting?

SPEAKER_00

Well, I always was a Christian. I've been saved. You know what I'm saying? I've been saved for for years. I always loved God, I always knew God, and I was never ashamed of God because some people think that following God is some sucker shit or some nerdy shit. You know what I'm saying? But it's a personal relationship. That's why people be like, oh, why are you curse, right? God knows my heart, I know God. So God knows where everything I do is coming from. A curse is only a curse with what's behind it. And something gotta be hind it, something gotta be behind it for it to be a curse. It's like how we call each other niggas sometimes. What up, my nigga? That's cool. That's not, but if a white man calls us a nigga, it's something else behind it. And that's the same thing when I curse sometimes expressing myself, there's nothing behind it. And like I said, God knows everybody's heart. You know what I'm saying? But the reason why I did the inspirational is because I thought it was a perfect time for it, man. All the kids are lost, the bloods, the cribs, that you know what I'm saying? There's no more like wholesome quality of life like it was before, man. The kids are just glued to a computer, glued to the phone, they don't want to hear nothing from their parents. Then I mean adults are guilty of it too, but I wanted to make something that was different and was still hard. So if you listen to praise, I'm still keeping it gangster. I I'm not preaching. You know what I'm saying? I'm not if you listen to the lyrics, one of the lyrics is that Christian shit is quick to switch. Or you get the ghost to leave whole lead, nigga. You know what I'm saying? So I I'm I'm trying to say that, yeah, I love God. Yeah, I'm sending a message, but I'm still protecting my me, still protecting my family, I'm still uh keeping the gangster and thug, man. You know what I'm saying? Because to me, the thug life is a is a culture part of hip-hop. You know what I'm saying? I I got a message out there, but at the same time I wanted to uh make it that I'm not preaching. So that's why I mixed it up.

SPEAKER_05

Gotcha. I mixed it up.

SPEAKER_00

I put the thug shit in there with the with the gospel.

SPEAKER_03

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00

A lot of Christian rappers, they just rap straight up rap about God. And that's like pre that's why I don't listen to it so much. Because they just preach.

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

But you know, the kids you you gotta you gotta attack the kids a different way.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

You gotta come at them with with some of the stuff they know and and and sneak the guard stuff in there. You gotta you gotta spoon feed it to them. You just try to straight up preach to them, they're gonna be like, I don't wanna hear that. Leave me alone.

SPEAKER_03

Right. Real talk. Real talk.

SPEAKER_02

Wow, wow. Yeah, I feel you on that, man. Um, yeah, you do gotta spoon feed them, uh, take them through the baby steps process, um, get them to understand um the reason why we do pray, the reason why we know that there's a a higher power. Yeah. And that uh even though it may not look like it at times, he's definitely in total control. Um, but he's given us all free will.

SPEAKER_00

I was just about to say that. A lot of people don't believe and think God is not there. Because I heard people say, oh, God exists. Why did he let these kids die? Why do people got cancer? Why do people got AIDS? If God loves us, why he allowed Trump to do what he because God gives us free will. That's why. God's not gonna step in, he's gonna let you live your life and do it. If you if I want to kill somebody, he's not gonna stop me. What's gonna happen is I'm gonna get the karma from it, and I gotta deal with the consequences, and then God's gonna let me live my life, and he's gonna step in if I'm abusing it, or he's gonna step in when he feels enough is enough. And that's it. But God gives us free will. So anybody who's listening that wants to know why God doesn't do things when you want it to happen, is because God gives us free will. Suppose every time you spoke, you were smoking the blood, God say, What are you doing? Get that blood out your hand, what the hell? Then suppose every time you try to get some ass from a chick, God step in, what are you doing? Leave that girl alone. Suppose every time you tried to rob somebody, you put the gun up, God goes, What are you doing? You'll be like, Yo, I can't do nothing. Then you start hating on God. If God stopped us from doing every wrong thing that we want to do, eventually society will start hating on God. I can't do nothing. And God don't want that. So He lets you ride.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. He's gotta let you go through what you say. Right. And then eventually we get tired of bumping our head up against the wall and like, man, I ain't doing this no more.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you, Calvin Charlie.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I one day I woke up and I was, you know, you know you how you get those when you out drinking and you get them them terrible headaches in the morning. And I got tired of it. I was like, man, I'm tired of feeling like this. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00

I want to give a shout out to Locke Picasso too and Prince Kareem, some of my boys, man, that helped me out, man. Because Locke Picasso shot the praise video. And um, I want to give a shout out to Mikey D too and um on DMC, the dudes I did the show with. Um, I want to give a shout out to Deborah Coco. She helped me out. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people helped me out, man.

SPEAKER_02

Nice, nice. Okay, well, let's talk about the producer of the song Praise, and then we'll uh we'll take a listen at listen to it. Um Vent Ventura, is that his name? That produced the song. Okay. How did y'all form a relationship?

SPEAKER_00

Actually, I actually I bought the beat offline. I was flipping through a beat and I was flipping through beats and I wanted to find something that caught my attention, and his beat caught my attention. And um I had to contact him because when I put it out on Rock Boy Records, I had to figure out they had to know all the splits and all that before they could put out because we our distribution on Rockboy Records is Sony. Sony distributes the label, Sony Orchard, it's a big label. You know what I'm saying? I'm sure everybody heard of Sony. That's that's who distributes our music. So we had to do the right thing. So I had to contact him, and he even gave me uh a great writer. Uh um sincere sent it to me. He was like, Jess said that I had the best song to date of all the songs he produced.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, gotcha. He said it.

SPEAKER_00

He said his most notable work to date was from MacDon the Fifth. So that was a big nice.

SPEAKER_02

Nice, nice. That's what's up, man. That's what's up. All right. Well, let's uh let's take a listen to it. Yeah, a good song. Um yeah. Song by uh MacDon the Fifth called Praise, Uplifting Song uh Off of Rock Boy Records, and uh let's take a listen.

SPEAKER_04

Let us all praise.

SPEAKER_01

Exalt his name. We can all change praise Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, Lord. I dig that, I dig that. Good work, good work. Yeah, the beat was the beat was going, you was riding it like a like a surfer. That's what I'm talking about. That should be so many.

SPEAKER_00

We professionals, man.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, yeah, no doubt, no doubt. That's what's up, man. I heard a line in there where you said that your grandmother, I don't know if you was talking about your grandmother or grandmothers in general.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, my grandma the crack fiend from the 80s babies being bad C.

SPEAKER_02

Wow. How did that change your life?

SPEAKER_00

Man, I was feeling sorry for society, man. Because I've never smoked, I've never been high in my life. I I don't know, I'd never smoke weed. I never did drugs, I've never been to jail. My brothers always tease me, I'm a goody, goody, I'm the good one in the family. You know what I'm saying? But I don't they and sometimes they say I'm the weak one in the family because I've never been in trouble. But to me, on the contrary, I'm the strongest one in the family. Because you have to be strong to leave that stuff alone.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

They was actually actually the weak one.

SPEAKER_05

There you go.

SPEAKER_00

When the devil presented it, I walked away.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, gotcha. Gotcha. Nice. Wow. Yeah. I and that line reminded me of uh when Tupac, uh, I believe it was his song uh Dear Mama. Yeah, and he said, even even as a crack fiend, mama, you always was a black queen, mama. And that and that that captured me because I was like, even in her worst state, he still seen the best of her.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, because she was a crack fiend her whole life. You know what I'm saying? She just got caught victim to what was going on around her. But you know, a lot of people that fell victim to drugs are great people, man.

SPEAKER_03

Right, right. Really tall, really tall.

SPEAKER_00

The rapper Whitney Houston, she was a great person, man, but she got caught out there.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, that's that temptation, man. Change you into something different. You know. Um, somebody out there wants you to miss your destiny, yeah. You know, whatever that is. So, and drugs are a great tool to uh distract you and take you away from who you was born to be.

SPEAKER_00

This is what I said to the story. Did you catch what I said? They so ill, the only chores niggas using drugs like vaccines. You know how deep that is? Nice niggas using drugs, they say it's like they so fucked up, they using a drug for a cure. They so ill, the only chores niggas using drugs like vaccines. That was that was deep.

SPEAKER_02

Right, right, nice, nice. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm definitely digging the lyrics. I caught the one where you said um you said people giving Trump and Biden praise. What kind of hit me was why is it so easy for us to give man praise, but it seems to be hard for us to give God his praise. I can answer that question easy.

SPEAKER_00

Because God is always there and God doesn't change. So when people it's like it's like people, it's like a female that you've been with for a long time, and she starts taking advantage of you and starts taking you for granted. It happened to all of us. When somebody when somebody's always present and always doing the right thing, human nature is that you take advantage of them. But Trump and Biden, um when I I didn't when I meant by Trump and Biden, I'm talking about people like him or people that has power, right? People with power is always putting treating people like puppets, and the best puppet gets an opportunity. So these people are giving out opportunities for people so they kiss their ass and they worship them because they got the best and they got power. You know what I'm saying? So this is why people worship other rappers, worship all the producers, worship even Satan because they for an opportunity. That's it. God gives opportunities, but with God, you gotta earn your opportunity. And it's and and it's from doing the right thing. And and a lot of people don't want to work for things, they don't want to work for shit. They just want to that's where jealousy and envy coming in. I never was envious of anybody. Never because to me, and being envious of somebody is is the stupidest shit in the world. It's like because you got the same 24 hours and we're all equal. So why are you hating on me? Because I stay fly. Why are you hating on me? Because I know how to make food. You could do the same shit. You could do the same exact thing I'm doing. That's why I never hated on nobody because I could do the same thing you're doing.

SPEAKER_05

And some people just don't want to work for nothing.

SPEAKER_00

They want to they want to take it or have it handed to them.

SPEAKER_05

Right. Real talk.

SPEAKER_02

Trust me, man. It don't work that way. It don't work that way. Everybody gotta put in some work. Even the Bible said if you don't work, you don't eat. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, you gotta work.

SPEAKER_00

And then when you work for something, you feel proud about it.

SPEAKER_05

There you go.

SPEAKER_00

Why do you think the projects is always fucked up? You know why the projects is always fucked up? Because it was given to them. You go to a shelter, you stay there two, three years, and then the caseworker puts you in the projects. Or you come home from jail, you go on to the project. You go to a halfway house, you get a caseworker, they put you in the projects because it's given to them. That's why they don't respect it. Anything that's given to people, they don't respect it. When you work with something, you cherish it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Real talk. Real talk. I agree with that 100%. I've experienced that. Yeah, especially in music, and you you kind of start off doing a lot of stuff just for the love of it. But after a while, you'll learn with some people it's not appreciated.

SPEAKER_00

You you know, I got a podcast. I'm trying to put out a podcast myself. It's called This Ain't a Podcast as a Doncast. I'm the first one with a Doncast. Everybody got a podcast, but I got a Doncast. Matt Don the back. I like that. Right?

SPEAKER_05

There you go.

SPEAKER_00

My basis of that is like being a relationship coach. Um people don't understand that when you take care of a woman when she don't work, she's gonna leave you. Because she didn't invest nothing. People could just walk away from things they don't invest in. But if you put her to work and you let her invest in the relationship like you do, most men meet a nice girl, dime peace, whatever, and he just automatically acquires a bit. Automatically think he's supposed to first of all, and I might lose some views for this, but like I said, I know the Bible.

SPEAKER_05

There you go.

SPEAKER_00

Women are helpmates. God said in the Bible, be when He made Adam, behold the perfect helpmate for you. I could pull out a Bible and show you, right? Because God ain't stupid. Why think women are weak? Not weak. Why think women are feminine? That's what I meant to say. Why think women are because God wants us to control them? God wants us to be over them. If God wanted women to be equal with us, he would have made two men, one with a dick and one with a pussy.

SPEAKER_05

There you go.

SPEAKER_00

If he wanted us to be equal. And if you and once Eve sinned in the garden, wonderful punishment, you can look it up in the Bible. This is quote for quote from God's mouth, not from Jesus' mouth, not from John the Baptist's mouth, from God's mouth in the Bible, if you believe in the Bible. God said to Eve, because you sinned in the garden, I will increase your pain in childbirth, and you will still desire your husband, and he will be your master. Just like that. Just like that, God said. And he will be your master. So when these dudes, man, are here simping, pimping, thinking they're doing something, you understand, man. You're not supposed to put a chick on a pedestal. A chick is a helpmate. I tell my girl all the time, you the help. When you're on your man shit, when you're on your manhood, when you on your your your your your your your manly vibe, you you you don't let nothing slide.

SPEAKER_05

Okay. Yeah. I agree.

SPEAKER_00

And the first one goes to give you respect in the crib is your chick. Once you don't respect you more, she gotta go.

SPEAKER_02

She gotta go. I know you ain't trying to, but you preaching now, bro. Listen, man, I gotta die.

SPEAKER_00

Yo, you know how many dudes, dudes be crashing out over these things, killing her, killing themselves. One of my whole bots I grew up with killed his daughter, then killed himself to get back at a chick.

SPEAKER_05

Crashing out. My chick leave me, I'd be happy.

SPEAKER_00

You know why? I'm gonna tell you why. Not that I love my girl to death. I love my girl to death. But guess what? Because I'm married and all that, that's the only chick I can smash if I'm gonna honor God. Right? If my girl leave me, then she gives me an opportunity to smash something else without looking behind my back. Okay, that's the sign. I told my son that. Don't be mad when she leaves. And I told my son too. I said, listen, when a female gives you something one time, she did right by you. One time. You know how many men want to sleep with her? She gave it to you. You she did right by you. So you ain't got no business beating her up, doing this and doing she did right by you. That's it. She don't want to stay with you, move on to the next one. That's one thing God made was with plenty.

SPEAKER_03

Plenty.

SPEAKER_00

What? I got my girl walking on eggshells. If you look at my house, there's eggshells in the floor now. Because she know I got she know I'm gonna get another one like this.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02

Wow, wow, wow. Okay. Well, um, I checked out the video, right? Or the song Praise. And I noticed she had a little AI in there, which I thought.

SPEAKER_00

He's a genius with it. Okay. He'd been doing it.

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

I just jumped in the bandwagon.

SPEAKER_05

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_03

I thought it was really cool.

SPEAKER_02

Um, but what I fear, and I I wanted to ask you this, as we go toward the future, you can see AI taking over music to where a human being don't even have their say or creativity in the music. This could also happen with videos. Do you think we're headed for a dangerous place with AI? Yeah. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_00

AI is evil.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

You know why it's evil? Because I can set you up with AI. I can make a whole scenario of you killing the president or something with AI. Or you plotting, I can I can make you look just, yo, there's some people who got that AI stuff, sold down packed. You don't know the difference between a live person or AI. And you can, and it's evil because you could set people up with it easy. It can have you somewhere that you was never there and hide you at that location.

SPEAKER_03

Real talk.

SPEAKER_00

It's evil, man. Wow. Wow. But it serves a purpose. It serves a purpose. Just like God says on the the root of um money is the root of all earth, evil, but we need money. We we use money.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You know what I'm saying? Or the love of money. Yeah. But we gotta use. But we gotta use money.

SPEAKER_03

Right. Right? But I think I think AI is kind of evil, man.

SPEAKER_00

I think I think it is, like you said, it's headed to a dark place.

SPEAKER_02

Wow. I think if people, yeah, if they if they do it like you did it, a little here, a little there, you know what I'm saying? I think we'll be all right. But I do worry of the day where we look on the billboards and it's all AI music. And the AI done sung the song, AI wrote the song, the videos are done by AI, and all of sudden uh there's no human creativity in the music anymore.

SPEAKER_00

But but you know, the big producers used to try to warn us back in there with The Matrix. Remember the movie The Matrix? That was like about AI coming. Everything's fake. There was a fake dimension. Everything, not nothing was real.

SPEAKER_05

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Real talk. Nothing was real. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So Terminator, Terminator 2, uh Skynet. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I said that was AI.

SPEAKER_02

They just called it Skynet.

SPEAKER_00

I'm gonna even drop an ill sign on you right now. United States is supposed to be fighting with Iran, right? Some of those pictures they putting over up, the air is AI.

SPEAKER_02

Don't say it. Don't say it. It is.

SPEAKER_05

Never happen. Wow.

SPEAKER_00

All them bombers and stuff like that, AI never happened. All the footage in the airport and all that, all them people, this gas, cat or fake.

SPEAKER_05

Fake. Airport's fine. I got my saucer.

SPEAKER_02

Alright. So what would be why? Why would somebody why would they, why would they want to lie about something like that? What do they hope to gain? Fair. When you put people in fear and you control them.

SPEAKER_00

Fair and control. Fear. That's the what will happen when something, if somebody comes knocking on my door right now with a shotgun, what I'm gonna do? Call the police. If I don't got a firearm, then that they want you to lean on the government. They want you to run to the government. So they put fear in your heart so you can run to them.

SPEAKER_05

It's all for control. It's all for control. Wow. Wow. That's the purpose.

SPEAKER_02

Right. So they don't have enough control. They control the food, they control the water. No, they don't have enough control.

SPEAKER_00

They have enough control, but they're obsessed with the power.

SPEAKER_05

Okay. So they just want more. Yeah. You know what it is? You know what it is to control someone? Yeah. That's the LM busting enough. That's a powerful feeling. Yeah. Yeah. That's a powerful feeling. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

These white people are mad that black people ain't slaves no more. They used to control us. Yo, go get me, go get me some water. Yes, sir, Master. Yes, sir. They felt they felt empowered. And that's what Trump was talking about, make America great again. Putting black people back in slavery and people of color. But it's not gonna happen. That is not gonna happen again.

SPEAKER_05

No, no, no. That is not gonna happen again. Right. Wow.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. I was reading about a case that just happened. Where it was uh, I believe it was two kids, maybe around 12, 13, and they decided to rape a girl who's around the same age, 12 or 13. And they actually put rocks in her mouth to keep her from screaming. And the first thing that came to my mind is it seems like these kids are just getting more and more demonic. And it seems to me that a lot of this stuff is coming through a door when they took God out of the lives of the kids. They don't pray no more, they're not going to church or they're not learning anything about God. Um and it seemed like, yeah, we're we're headed for a very dark and ugly place because these kids ain't not that when I was 12, I was on the court playing basketball and ripping and running and playing hide and seek and just having fun all day. And now they're out here actually doing demonic crimes.

SPEAKER_03

Where's this thing going?

SPEAKER_00

Where is it going? It's going, it's gonna lead up to God coming back. That's where that's what's gonna happen. It's gonna lead up to all of a sudden God prophesied in the Bible. That's where it's gonna wind up at. Because where else can it go? The devil's gonna do what he could do till he can't do it no more. He's gonna do it. He's gonna go. But eventually God's gonna have to intervene. Because that's why these things are happening. That's why the kids are ruthless. That's why the kids are reckless, that's why the parents don't care. It's nothing like when I was young. All the essence of being young, all the essence of life for honoring your parents, or that's dead. These kids do not honor their parents anymore. They didn't all they do is worship that cell phone. That's why I said in my song Praise. Who you worship for your iPhones or your iPads or your iPods.

SPEAKER_05

Mm-hmm. Real talk.

SPEAKER_00

Because that's all they know, and you know what's all it's nothing but evil, evil on Instagram. What you but Instagram, instant gratification. That's what Instagram is about. Instant gratification. These people go on. Do you know there was a case where this this girl killed her parents because she took her cell phone? Killed her parents because she couldn't use because she couldn't go on Instagram. This is how addictive addictive it is. Facebook face to face.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

TikTok. The time is ticking away.

SPEAKER_04

Alright.

SPEAKER_00

Telling you all this stuff is evil, man, it's no good. The more views you got, you don't even get a record deal no more for talent. Talent is dead. You get a record deal because you got a million views.

SPEAKER_05

Because you're popular. Come on. Right. You can't rap or nothing.

SPEAKER_00

You can't sing, but you got a deal over Mac D on the fifth because you got more views than me. Come on, man. Just go.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. Yeah. I agree.

SPEAKER_00

They should get rid of Instagram. They should get rid of all that shit and go back to bars and being a true artist.

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

I I won't be mad they got rid of Instagram or Facebook.

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

And but but but it's not gonna happen. Because guess what? If you get rid of the internet, you'll have to there'll be a war.

SPEAKER_05

These kids are boycotting school, college, everything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You be seeing kids marching down the street, bring me back the internet, bring me back to internet.

SPEAKER_02

Right. Right. Real talk. Real talk. Yeah, I agree. I agree, man. Uh, and some of them, when they were born, they was born into the internet. Yeah. I was I was I was telling uh some of my babies, I remember before the microwave. I remember before cable TV. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And we made it then, you know what we did? We went outside and played. Something that y'all don't want to do no more because either you're on your video game or you're on your Facebook or you're on, you know, and everybody just sitting in the house, like you said, worshiping that that that cell phone in front of them. And it's it's it's it's it's definitely gonna have uh uh it's gonna have uh uh repercussions.

SPEAKER_00

Watching other people's lives, comparing yourself to other people's lives, it's just a messed up situation, man. And then you got the AI too. The AI make you look more glamorous, and then they got the um the apps where you could beautify yourself. You don't even it's not even you no more. Yeah, you looking like you looking like a million bucks on on the net, but in real life, it's not that's not the case.

SPEAKER_02

Right. Struggling like everybody else.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it makes it put people in that place, man.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Where they could be where they could feel good about themselves.

SPEAKER_02

I am don't that now wouldn't that if you spend so much time trying to make it look like you're living on a certain level, then that means you're not actually putting in the work to actually make that a reality, you know, to where if you do want to drive that type of car, you know, but people have gotten content with making people think, you know, until they actually walk up on you one day and it's like, oh man, you ain't you ain't fresh as you said earlier. Instagram say you are.

SPEAKER_00

Like what you said earlier about AI. These people uh put themselves out there on Instagram in an AI form, and they'll be in a hot car in AI. They'll have the latest gear, the latest gadget, the flyest female, and AI, and they're cool with it. And everybody would think it's dead. You ever seen The Wizard of Oz? One when he when he was when he was like, I am the mighty Oz, and when the when you actually seen who it was, the nigga was like this big.

SPEAKER_02

Right, the little cat. Yeah, that's how AI is fronting scary cat.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, fronting. Everybody fronting. Yeah, that's how the internet is, everybody fronting. But I'm not fronting. If you see Mac Donnell in real life, I'm actually fly all the time. I I and I'm flying the internet, flying real life. I I'm not fronting. Everybody who know me, you know what I'm saying, know that how I dress, how I my mind, how I'm I'm not fronting about nothing. But these cats is front. The chicks is fronting heavy. These chicks are fronting heavy.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that. I remember uh as a young lady, I won't call her name or nothing, but uh I remember seeing her on the internet, and yeah, all the fly, all the fly shit popping off. And then I remember running into her in the store, and I got close to her, and even the smell, the smell wasn't even right. I'm like, EBT I'm smelling underarm pits, and I'm like, oh my goodness, this ain't the same girl that was fronting on Instagram, is it?

SPEAKER_00

Living in a Section 8 crib on the P's, most of them. The um swiping EBT cards, half of them don't work. Salute to the females who do work and get up in the morning to educate themselves and stuff, but a lot of them be fronting. I know this for a fact. They be fronting on that internet, man.

SPEAKER_02

Right. Yeah, yeah. And that's just the thing. You're spending too much time on the internet not actually doing the work to actually have that life that you to distract them.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's a big distraction. That's what the government put it there for, to distract everybody. Damn. Then these fucking, I'm so happy that the drill music is coming to an end because these motherfuckers was killing people and saying it on the net in their record. Right, how stupid is that? You know how these people went to jail, these young boys, oh yeah, we rolled up on top. I think I'm my phone is dying, man. Getting the charger.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, got you, gotcha, got you. Okay, yeah, we go, we go, we're gonna we're gonna bring this to an end here. Yeah, you better buy throws up there. But okay, okay, okay. But yeah, we're gonna go ahead and uh I got a couple more questions and we'll we'll switch it up a little bit. Uh I think I think we got you in enough trouble. I love the show. Yeah, exactly, exactly. I love the show.

SPEAKER_00

And we're keeping it real too, man. And trust me, if I can educate somebody, man, that's what I want to do.

SPEAKER_02

Nice.

SPEAKER_00

A lot of people are lost.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, real talk, real talk. You're exactly right. You're exactly right. So, okay, let's switch it up. I don't know how big of a boxing fan you are, but Mayweather, of course, is coming out of retirement. He's gonna fight Tyson, which, you know, and then he's supposed to have a second bout with uh Pacquiao. Why is he doing this?

SPEAKER_00

Because in his mind, that I think he wants to beat Tyson, so people could say that he beat the greatest, one of the greatest boxes of all time, so he could take his spot. But I think also if he do fight Tyson, he I think he's gonna let Tyson win.

SPEAKER_05

Hmm. I think I think he'll throw. Okay. Why they give Tyson that bag? Hmm.

SPEAKER_00

Because if you if you watch how how how how Mayweather moved. He's a humble dude, man.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You know, and you respect Tyson a lot. He respects him. Hold on, let the charger in, man.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I'm gonna have to hold it for the red. We good though. Yeah. We good to go.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, we get we get ready to shut it down, but go ahead and finish your thought.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so I think that um Mayweather respects and honors Tyson to the fullest. And the the reason why he even agreed to fight him is to help him out. That's what I think. Because the age look at the age difference, he gotta be doing it for that.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And he's not gonna try to he's not gonna try to beat Tyson ass. Tyson's almost sixty years old.

SPEAKER_05

Right.

SPEAKER_00

He's not gonna try to beat his ass and kill him in the ring. You know what I'm saying? So he's he's gonna I think he's gonna throw the fight and they and give Tyson, you know, show him some love.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_00

And he'll still and he'll still be respected for doing that.

SPEAKER_02

Right. Wow. Wow. Wow. And what's your prediction for Mayweather and Pacquiao too?

SPEAKER_00

Well, he's gonna be Pacquiao booty.

SPEAKER_02

You gonna beat him?

SPEAKER_03

I think so. I think so.

SPEAKER_00

Like I say, he's giving these dudes a payday, man. That's all.

SPEAKER_05

Okay. Okay, okay. Right.

SPEAKER_02

Some people are saying it's it's a money issue. And then I'm like, okay, if it's a money issue, then the big, big, big money is in Mayweather losing, and then they going for a third one.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But Rich May brother is. See, people don't understand that these people got real estate and businesses and all that. They don't even have to do that what they made their money with. They don't he don't have to box no more. This guy got money. He got businesses, he got his real estate portfolio alone. Brings in millions every year. It's all like I said, man. He wanna give these people a payday, man. That's it. He don't need no money.

SPEAKER_05

Nice. Nice.

SPEAKER_00

And and and like I said, he probably hates money now. When you got that type of money and you've been holding that type of money so long, you pa you know where to break.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_00

It's like Michael Jackson, he was a prisoner within his own success. He can't go nowhere, he can't do nothing. He can't do you can't enjoy life when you're that famous.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_00

Because anything you do that's against being a role model is gonna be in the news. You can't do nothing. Wow. And eventually you hate it. That's what happened to Puppy. He had so much money, he started doing bullshit. Always happens like that when you got that type of money. You you lose a Will Smith said it. Will Smith said when you bought everything on earth that you can't buy, that there's nothing else to buy, you lose your luster for life.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00

I'm broke, right? So I'm so I I I so it's not enough time for me. But if I if I had everything real talk. What what what are we doing? If I have if I had everything, what are we doing now?

SPEAKER_02

Right. It seemed to me the only thing you could turn to is now just to try to help everybody service.

SPEAKER_00

That's it. Service. Service.

SPEAKER_02

That's it. I got everything I want, so now I'm gonna try to help you get some of the things you want.

SPEAKER_00

And that's when you realize the things that you've been fighting for and sweating doesn't mean anything. Because anything that means anything in life, God is so wise and so full of wisdom that anything that's worth anything is free. If you love is free. If you got love, you got everything. If you have a solid family, you have everything. You could you could be the richest man on earth with no wife, no family, you're gonna be miserable.

SPEAKER_03

You be miserable.

SPEAKER_00

If you don't have love, nothing matters. Nothing matters. If you don't have love. A man who has love has everything. A man who has a good wife has everything.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I agree. I agree.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. Well, check this out. Um give everybody your media information where they can listen to your music, where they can interact with you. And then we're gonna go out on your song. Um, which this one is nothing you can do about it. Produced by DRB. Nothing you can do about it. We're gonna go out with that. Give them your media information before we check out.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, the at sign M-A-C D-O-N-T-H-E-5 T H Mac Don the fifth. That you can just, or you can just Google me. I did so much stuff, just Google Macdon the fifth. If you Google me, mad stuff will come up.

SPEAKER_02

Definitely, definitely.

SPEAKER_00

I tried to Google my network the other day, and a Metro card came up.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, nice. Nice.

SPEAKER_00

I was like, damn, y'all did me like that?

SPEAKER_02

Right. Wow, wow. But hey, we really need to do this again, man, because I think I could go down that rabbit hole with you and we could talk about some serious stuff. Yeah, man. I don't play with it. Yeah, I see that. I see that. I like that. I like that. So let's keep in touch. Let's uh let's make plans to do another interview, man. Thank you. I got some I got some heavy, I didn't I didn't know how to come. You know, I threw a little salt and pepper in there, but now I know all that big stuff. Yeah. Yeah, real talk. Real talk. So we're gonna go out on your on your joint and uh let's keep in touch, man. Uh uh hit me on Instagram, and then uh we'll exchange numbers and all that stuff, and then we'll talk again. Thank you, Patrick. I appreciate everybody tuning in to the John Muhammad Podcast show. And uh, you know how we do it uh every Sunday, 6 uh p.m. And uh next week we'll have another guest for you. But uh we got Mac the Don, the fifth in the building, and uh we finna go out on this last joint. Ain't nothing you can do about it. Appreciate you, brother, and we'll talk soon. You know it. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01

God bless Yeah, don't give it to me, give it to me, give it to me. Nothing you can do about it, whipped the flight in my flight. That's what it is.