Making AI successful (and ethical) for real business needs

How Did You Get That Job?

How Did You Get That Job?
Making AI successful (and ethical) for real business needs
Oct 08, 2025
Hays

The new mini-series of ‘How Did You Get That Job?’ sees host Shaun Cheatham, Chief Relationship Officer at Hays, explores the trends and technologies impacting the future of work. 

This time, Shaun meets Antony and Claire Roberts, founders of Full Fathom Five. With a combined 40 years of experience of experience in digital and IT transformation, they join the pod to discuss the challenges for businesses regarding AI adoption. 

Expect to hear more about:  

  • AI as a “punk” democratising force 
  • The difficulties for organisations in measuring impact 
  • Why ethics should go beyond a “box tick” 

Listen to in-depth discussions on the above, as well as practical advice from Antony and Claire on how organisations can succeed with AI implementation on both a strategic and people-centric level. 

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