Spatial Attraction
SPATIAL ATTRACTION is a podcast about the spaces we work in, and the forces that shape how we think, interact, and perform.
Hosted by Kursty Groves (author, speaker, and senior advisor on work, experience and human performance), the show explores why some environments energise people and make good work easier… while others leave us scattered, tense, or stuck. Each episode follows one clear theme - from focus and flow to trust, belonging, creativity, and momentum - and looks at what’s really driving behaviour beneath the surface.
You’ll hear expert interviews, real-world stories, and research-informed insights across five dimensions of space: physical, social, digital, cognitive (headspace), and temporal. Expect practical language, sharp observations, and simple shifts you can make - whether you’re leading a team, shaping experience, or redesigning the conditions for better work.
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Spatial Attraction
The Time and Space Complications of Hybrid Work with Neil Usher (Space Matters, ep.2)
Summary
Workplace strategist Neil Usher joins Kursty to discuss the nuances of navigating hybrid work, brain states that trigger creativity, and the research opportunities we missed in the pre-pandemic world. In their conversation, they accentuate that what makes hybrid working complicated is not just the space aspect but the time aspect as well. They chat about self-imposing discipline, internally inspiring creativity, and managing time and space when you work from home.
Neil Usher is the Chief Workplace & Change Strategist at GoSpace AI. He has 20+ years of experience managing property portfolios and large-scale organizational change. He is the author of the two books The Elemental Workplace: The 12 Elements for Creating a Fantastic Workplace for Everyone and Elemental Change: Making stuff happen when nothing stands still.
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Timestamps
[00:41] Who is Neil Usher from Go Space AI? (and highlights from the conversation with Neil)
[05:36] Why Neil wrote his two books Elemental Workplace and Elemental Change.
[08:54] Why coordinating time is more challenging than coordinating space in the hybrid working world.
[15:45] Is there more value to working alone or working together?
[25:00] How has the pandemic changed the 12 elements of the workplace?
[28:52] The value of your unpublished work (don’t throw it away)
[32:32] How to leverage your two brain states (beta state and theta state)
[39:18] Self imposing discipline when you work from home
[43:24] How to connect with Neil Usher.
3 Key Takeaways
- Time is more complicated than space. Before the pandemic, you knew where your colleagues would be at any point in time. Now, you need to make more decisions like where you will be at which point in time and where people you work closely with will be as well. Flexibility adds complexity and adds a mental burden.
- There is a value to being alone and a value to being together. We instinctively feel that there’s value to being together, but we didn’t use the decades of opportunity we had to explore the value of being together in a scientific way. We have a lot more data on the value of working alone from the past 2 years because we consciously looked for it. We need a dynamic data capture to accurately understand how we work best.
- Inclusion has become one of the most important elements of the workplace. The pandemic has shed light on the range of considerations we need to keep in mind when we think of inclusion.
Links
The Elemental Workplace: 12 Elements for Creating a Fantastic Workplace for All
Elemental Change: Making stuff happen when nothing stands still
Connect with Neil Usher: LinkedIn |
Spatial Attraction is written, produced, and hosted by Kursty Groves.
Original music and sound production by Lee Golledge.
For episodes and updates, visit https://kurstygroves.com/podcast/ - and follow Spatial Attraction on LinkedIn and Instagram.
To suggest a theme or guest, email jen@spatial-attraction-podcast.com.